The video made me feel physically sick. Humans are not only brilliant but incredible vain species. Lust for power and stupendous ignorance will ruin us all if we don't educate ourselves.
Can we not argue in the comments here? Lets all enjoy the beautiful words and teaching of Carl Sagan. What would Carl Sagan do? He would be kind, and respectful.
The tragedy of the Great Library of Alexandria...we lost so much of our collective heritage, permanently, when it was destroyed. Works not only of science, but also of philosophy, of art, of humor, of drama...lost forever because of our arrogance and our ignorance. It's incredibly sad.
And he was made a saint, how twisted can a persons morals be. It set us back 2000 years makes we wonder all that we lost. And it was my own religion that i use the buy into the bull that did this.
Well it's happening again right now. lol wtf do we do with these people.
The limits set of man is forth the night of knowledge left to him not understanding what it is he seeks within himself. The burden lifted will sour to the heavens with no bounds. Great stuff thank you for sharing.
If it were not for the "heroes" that came after those dark years (such as Giordano Bruno) our human race would be in a very sorry state of affairs right now, I am fortunate that today's scientific minds (Tyson, Cox, etc) have taken up Carl Sagan's task of sharing the wonder and beauty of universal knowledge to the human race. Unfortunately, the recovery from those dark ages is a fragile one. The forces of ignorance still remain and some of its supporters are more than eager to carry torches.
Carl Sagan - "Our collective free time needs to shift as much as possible to education. Whether you're a young student or finished school long ago, get out to the library whenever you can and work hard to learn everything you can about this world. Each individual and society will benefit from being able to solve more problems and make better decisions. Education is an amazing discovery process that repays you endlessly."
@gskowal Dude, i am reading everyday more and more about Christianity and everything else, so stop talking nonsense. Hypatia lived like a christian, she had nothing to do with those paganists idiots at that time. She didn't sacrifice anything like they did, and was a virgin till her death. Why the hell did all those leftist-marxist talking about her? She has nothing to do with their ideology, its obvious, they use her just to attack Christianity. Carl Sagan is a Jew atheist, so it's obvious!!
@KidJohnnyStorm , HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! You need some serious MEDS my friend.. GOOD LUCK! It might take few years of institutionalized psychiatric care but you might end up well one day...
@gskowal Greece will never become like you. You American are soooo f****ng away from the real meaning of life. You even said that Jesus Christ WAS SAID to be son of God (OMG). Jesus IS son of God. But ofc that is a result of people who listened many Jews Atheists like Carl, Darwin, Marx etc. Btw nice job from Hollywood making Alexander the Great a gay but....... can you tell me ..... WHERE THE HELL DID YOU FIND THOSE HISTORIC FACTS??
@KidJohnnyStorm , people of Greece have their own problems they need to deal with or they will end up being a 3rd world country. I WISH YOU LUCK. Can you prove that Jesus was a son of GOD? no.... so STFU already. Spewing nonsense won't get you anywhere. Have fun in your close minded hateful world of yours based on delusion.
@gskowal Our economic problems came from your Zionist Country and the European Union- have you people ever tried to kill these Rothchilds guys?- Everyone here knows that the economy was destroyed when the American dog and former Priminister of Greece and father of the current (Yeah, absolutely no conspiracy theories) Adreas papandreou (Socialist and Jew OFC) took many money which were not ours and he created a huge debt, you can see it now.
Noone can prove anything to others, only to himself.
I have come to a conclusion that knowledge and ideologies should not be destroyed, no matter how ignorant or contradicting they are. I believe this because we learn from our previous mistakes and ALWAYS find the truth and we will accept it, as long there is respect for facts and people push for reason and certainty.
@DrMMHMD "most of what was in the books of course was bullshit, one only needs to look in science books 25, 50, 100 years ago to see the bullshit, medicine the same." Yes you did. "the french built the first car" I know, not my point. "exactly what "rediscovery of wisdom" happened?" Algebra, geometry, astronomy, medicine, philosophy, logic, the empirical method, China was not centuries ahead of the Greeks and Romans, they were centuries ahead of dark age Europe and had different knowledge.
@DrMMHMD Science is a cumulative process of idea revision and refinement as well as the introduction of new ideas. Claiming that those ideas were bullshit is a bit like claiming the model T was junk because it is not as good as our cars today. It was not only useful but we would not have our cars today without it. Carl Sagan was right in saying that the renaissance the foundation of modern science would largely not have happened without the rediscovery of wisdom from Alexandria.
@DrMMHMD hahhaha reality you dumb bitch... um nah actually im not a nigger and you are a hoe just like ur mother. you started the momma trash talk so i guess you , in this case are indeed the nigger.
@DrMMHMD true..most books do get old in a matter of months, most in a matter of years. They stay on the shelves until the library can replace them. There is also the fact that we are comparing a library 2000 years ago with it's modern LOCAL cousin. Without direct knowledge of the bad material in the library, we have no clue on how many different things where in the library at the time of its demise. But you must also acknowledge that there was alot of helpful information in there none the less.
Also, if all history of ancient times is faulty because it is 2000 years old, then you may as well be content with no ancient times at all because all evidence to it is faulty; at least all historical evidence is.
@DrMMHMD you have an extremely biased view on history and wouldn't be able to tell what history is real even if all the evidence was there in front of your face. You probably salute 'ol Adolf all the time right? think he is a blond haired and blue eyed Jesus?
What a joke, you call your self that, but in reality you are nothing more then some troll with a membership in the KKK.
@DrMMHMD or you can tell your slutty ass mother to stop swallowing my jizz and fingering her own asshole. you hoe ass bitch.you're a hoe and you get it from your mother lol faggot
@DrMMHMD and you know what.... fine you can think black people are niggers all you want. but these "niggers" built the pyramids, pioneered arithmetic and mathematics, are in the white house and on the tv screen so you can think what you want. coward. scum of the earth. fucking hoe. lol
@DrMMHMD you talk so much shit. you're a fucking idiot therefore your definition has no credibility so idgaf.
and your a coward because you over here talkin online cuz you too scared to express your ignorant idiocy toward an actual black man, in person. hahaha stupid hoe
@DrMMHMD hahaha you dumb bitch. a nigger is an ignorant person while a black is a person of african descent. you by definition, are a nigger. fuckin coward.
@DrMMHMD a nigger is an ignorant person. and a black is someone who is of african descent. and you are a nigger because you are a very ignorant coward.
@DrMMHMD they werent niggers you faggot ass hoe. they were black and arab. motherfuckers need to stop distorting shit. and go outside and call a black person a nigger to their face and get your ass knocked out. talking all this shit online.
@DrMMHMD You do realise homeopathy is not science right? You are quite ignorant about what you are talking about. :P I'm quite sure you cannot say the same in return since I wouldn't appreciate somebody telling me how to do my job (I'm a scientist).
@codeine1908 Of course it was bullshit? See my other response, Plutarch, as said before; wrote an entire book on the burning and if he can't be trusted then I suppose we can't trust other tales based solely on his working. Maybe the Spartacus slave revolt was also bullshit? Educate yourself before sharing your uninformed opinion.
@DrMMHMD Consider a more modern example. Say all of our knowledge of quantum mechanics and the standard model were destroyed irrevocably tomorrow. Our knowledge of these fields is pitiful, but what little knowledge we do have is helpful in pursuing a more thorough understanding. In 50 years, scientists will look back and remark at how juvenile our knowledge of these subjects was, but that knowledge, however scant, is still the foundation for a better understanding.
@DrMMHMD Alexandria was one of the rare places where the pervasive superstition of the time did not have a substantial influence on research. Surely, there was still some impact of those factors, but in science you have to be wrong before you are right. The Ptolemaic model led to the Copernican revolution, for example. Scientific knowledge is incremental, so to suggest incomplete knowledge is worthless demonstrates a gross misunderstanding of what science is.
Very nice, jump right to the unfounded and ill-informed ad hominems.
None of those subjects are "science", they are all pseudoscience. By definition, science cannot be "bad science" because science is not an institution or dogma, it is a methodology for learning about the natural world. Again, having seen what doesn't work eliminates possibilities and furthers our progress. The destruction of the library set us back hundreds of years.
@callumCGLP The destruction of the library didn't set us back at all. These were all books that were to be found other places as well. Few were only copies of texts, really what destroyed that knowledge was the thousand years of not-giving-a-shit during the Dark Ages when Christianity ran everything and everybody believed in God. Nobody copied the books and tossed a great many of them away and couldn't read them anyhow. If not for that thousand years, Columbus could well have gone to the moon.
@callumCGLP The failure of science during the Dark Ages is not simply due to religious disagreement, but an end to the values of science. Progress was not seen as a good or always achievable, curiosity was pilloried and dangerous, and empiricism was unneeded because the only thing you needed was salvation, and the only thing you needed to be saved was the Bible. Anything else was dangerous and might distract you. More books were lost to mold than fire.
@DrMMHMD That's not how science works. Scientists build on the knowledge gathered by the scientists before them. The observations and theories contained in the Library of Alexandria had to be rediscovered hundreds of years after the Library was destroyed. Science works cumulatively, where even incorrect facts are useful to subsequent generations, because they will have eliminated another possibility. If these events hadn't occurred, we might be a interstellar species right now.
@callumCGLP add into that the christian dark ages lasting 1000years. so to add up our technology would have been about 3000years into the future today. imagine what we have learned and what technology we have created in the past 20 years and multiply that by 3000 years
I love Carl Sagan, but he is completely wrong. This is the movie Agora which is not based on fact, the Library of Alexandria was burnt by Caesar whilst he was chasing down Pompey in Egypt. Due to Caesar writing his own history he chose to leave out unfaltering points such as this, but historians have since discovered it to be the case. Christians and Pagans did disagree and there were fights in Alexandria but Christians, despite being the cause of many other fuck ups, aren't at fault this time.
@Plecebo1996 do you have a link or a book that shows this evidence? i would like to read i like knowing about different times of classical history its a hobby. thanks
i don't believe Carl Sagan intended for us to blame "Christians" per se in this piece. The people behaving in that manner were not following the principals laid down by the one called "Christos." They were merely human beings doing what human beings controlled by their own self-centered desire for power and control did...if they didn't agree with it they destroyed it. The same attitudes are functioning today in our so-called civilization. Things have not changed that much in thousands of years.
i don't believe Carl Sagan intended for us to blame "Christians" per se in this piece. The people behaving in that manner were not following the principals laid down by the one called "Christos." They were merely human beings doing what human beings contolled by their own self-centered desire for power and control did...if they didn't agree with it they destroyed it. The same attitudes are functioning today in our so-called civilization. Things have nor changed that much in thousands of years.
this is bullshit... how the hell are all those egyptians white? they were all arab or black, less than .5% would be white in egypt. they just want to tarnish the accuracy of history don't they.
Its actually very accurate in that respect. The people in charge of Alexandria at the time, indeed its very founders, were of Greek decent. They may have lived in a nation where Semitic and Sub-Saharan peoples were the majority but they certainly saw themselves as racially superior and made sure not to mingle to often. Naturally their art reflected this and that is why you see Hellenocentric frescos and statues everywhere as opposed to earlier Pharaonic art.
@2001Horatio It's not technically post scarcity but it's the theoretical point in advancement of a civilization where even the unemployed are provided with an exceptionally good life because enough jobs have been automated that you no longer need to work, and production is sustainable, etc. There is no proof that this is possible but I was just making the point that we'd probably be more advanced by centuries if Christianity wasn't so repressive.
@MacabreManifesto I think along the same track usually (re Christianity). Actually IF Christians could somehow manage to live as Christ suggested rather than the bastardized abomination of Jesus' teaching that they prefer to follow (especially in the US where Christianity is in general a disgrace) we would all be living post scarcity. Actually "American Christianity" is more or less oxymoronic - depending more on how you define "American" than how you define "Christian" I think
Hi Callum. Man, it is difficult to get an answer by mail from you…so better try here. I just saw the “Frailty of knowledge” and I have to say, again you excel. I would like to translate and narrate this one as I’d been done …could you send me the music? By the way, did you watch the Portuguese versions? Take your time :) Cheers.
Humans are overwhelmingly disappointingly ignorant and narrow-minded ......only a small percentage are enlightened.........this unbalance will unfortunately lead to our extinction...
@zenoparodie Scientist and engineers don't rule countries, sadly. Its the politicians and generally people who know nothing about science that are in charge. The world would be a much better place if scientists were in charge of the world.
@GodofSpanaway god fucking dammit, are you retarded? i say economics and everyday life techonology are ruled by engineers and scientists, not politics
@zenoparodie alright asshole, I'm telling you your're wrong. Scientists and engineers produce the technology, but have no control over how it's used. Having some influence and "ruling" over something are two entirely different things.
(continued) to Reason...which continue to this day (valid at least for sunni and part of shia). The problem is that they still believe that allah is Will and Power (but not reason) and that there are not secondary causes (thus the search for causes and effects in nature is strongly discouraged, critical thinking applied to religion is not important but only allah's commands etc). Search 'The closing of muslim mind' on the net (although I don't think that a return to the Mutazilites is enough)..
Its funny that Knowledge and science was destroyed under Christian rulership but thrived under Islamic rulership. Places like Iraq, Islamic Spain, Timbaktu. You can say alot about the current Muslims today but Muslims were vital to science and its works
@josevanreyes True, but Islam back then was entirely different to what it is now, perhaps go over the Islamic Golden Age, it definitely did contribute a lot to society; unfortunately all it took was a few misinterpretations of the Qur'an and that whole era went to shit :(.
@josevanreyes It can be argued that there was a de-hellenization of the Christian mind indeed, especially between the 4th century until Thomas Aquinas. But it was not total as some claim, the fact that the Arabs still found some of the classical books intact in the 7th century is a proof that at least some Christians (most probably belonging to the clergy) still believed that Reason is important...As for the Arabs well after the Mu'tazilites they entered their own period of closing mind...
@philsci1 I think you will find that Persians, Syrians, northern India (now dark age Pakistan) and all the advanced civilisations invaded by Islam were NOT Arab and still aren't Arab. It was they who had a wealth of knowledge and it was they who translated the works into Arabic. Arabia itself was never a centre of learning and in fact NO major engineering or scientific achievements occurred there. Islam, as you correctly noticed, did bring all the progress to an end, 1,000 years ago.
@ritchloui Yes I know (the post I was answering talked of Arabs). Replace Arabs with muslims. Anyways the same conclusion stands (if you refer at the despise for the value of human reason when applied to the basis of islam problem). Otherwise I agree with what you say, the so called 'Golden Period' of islam was in important ways the creation of the non muslim subjects living in the muslim empire (even the Mu'tazilite movement, who accepted that Reason is important, was 'catalyzed' by them).
Three people would rather be mindless barbarians mired in Bronze Age superstition, undeserving of the very computer they used to down thumb this video.
I just don't understand why youtube lets you post this with scenes from agora and using the Cosmos, while I will get any video I make with popular songs flagged.
@bodybag22 Things are definitely much more complicated. It seems that the old Library was already destroyed at the time when the Christians demolished the Serapeum in 391 (not around 415). They destroyed at most a daughter library (most probably with new books). Caesar (by mistake) or the armies of Aurelian are the most probable culprits.
@bodybag22 For creating unified nations, preserving the knowledge of Greece when the Roman Empire finally fell, and creating the conditions for the enlightenment thinking that would one day lead to things like the concept of human rights and the distribution of knowledge?
@Axelgear2006 ACtually, you'll have to thank the Irish for that my friend. And the conditions for civilization were created despite the Christian Church - not because of it. Read more
@2001Horatio The Church preserved knowledge through monks and was pretty much the only institute of higher learning for centuries. Reading, writing, book-keeping and copying, these were kept alive by the Church more than anyone in Europe. It gave infrastructure, however poor and corrupt it might have been and become.
Civilization grew because people had infrastructure, which the Church provided by unification between groups. It wasn't the only organization that could or did, but it did.
Carl Sagan is one of the few people who can bring a tear to my eye. The world has lost one of its most potent voices. I could listen to his unequivocal reason all day.
haha wow, I just found these videos and binged until I watched this latest one. great stuff. I've been reading The Demon Haunted World by Sagan as well. It makes me want to fully immerse myself in science and the emerging world brought with it. In fact, I may, when I figure out what little part I want to do.
Thank you again! your videos are so powerfull and inspiring. Particularly this one, I've enjoyed it a lot, because I saw Agora, I love that film and I recommend it all the time, since, as someone already wrote: "Everyone should see it". thanks!!!!!!! and keep doing this wonderful job!!!!!!!
I really love your Carl Sagan tribute videos. Hearing his words really helps to illustrate the ridiculousness of religious thinking and puts our position, as a one species, one people, into perspective. It is so much more refreshing than the strident words of Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris and Christopher Hitchens. I feel the Sagan's style is so much more effective on the religious who are already primed towads emotional appeals.
@helical4 I wouldn’t agree with that entirely. I remember that, when I watched Carl Sagan’s: Pale Blue Dot speech, it immediately enlightened me and got me thinking – it got me searching for the truth. But it wasn’t until I discovered Sam Harris (when he taught me that the Bible advocated slavery and other bullshit,) until I really realized how much nonsense religion is. But … if I never discovered Carl Sagan, my concern for the truth probably would have never been so prodigiously increased.
It's very upsetting to think of the horrors committed by the religous and the regression caused by their dogma, but people like Carl give me hope for the future of humanity.
Great video as always...and I wanted to thank you for using the video from the movie Agora behind it this time. I was unfamiliar with this film and looked it up after seeing it here. for those interested, it is currently available for streaming download from Netflix and stars Rachel Weisz. If you enjoyed this video, I urge you to take a look at the movie...good stuff.
"We know of a three-volume history of the world, now lost, written by a Babylonian priest named Berossus. Volume One dealt with the interval from the creation of the world to the great flood, a period that he took to be 432,000 years, or about one hundred times longer than the Old Testament chronology. What wonders were in the books of Berossus." .../watch?v=zYaQha7W7Bs
I think people will always be able to believe in the divine or the lack of one. No matter how hard one tries to explain that there isn't a god, uncertainty can always tell us that maybe there is one. However, believing one way or another at that minute level is pointless in every day life.
What's important is that modern society does away with the dogmatic fundamental institutions who hold us back & refuse to accept honored truths about mankind, science, history, physics, nature and the cosmos.
The video made me feel physically sick. Humans are not only brilliant but incredible vain species. Lust for power and stupendous ignorance will ruin us all if we don't educate ourselves.
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Can we not argue in the comments here? Lets all enjoy the beautiful words and teaching of Carl Sagan. What would Carl Sagan do? He would be kind, and respectful.
axblake1 1 month ago in playlist Carl Sagan Tribute Series by Callum Sutherland 2
@axblake1 i guess the arguments begin when people's comment show that some people can't appreciate the video
Muusicca 3 weeks ago
The tragedy of the Great Library of Alexandria...we lost so much of our collective heritage, permanently, when it was destroyed. Works not only of science, but also of philosophy, of art, of humor, of drama...lost forever because of our arrogance and our ignorance. It's incredibly sad.
skyblazer7 1 month ago in playlist Carl Sagan Tribute Series 3
@ People saying how bad religion is
Blaming the tool for the folly of man makes you a fool where wisdom be dammed.
SpringSamurai 2 months ago
And he was made a saint, how twisted can a persons morals be. It set us back 2000 years makes we wonder all that we lost. And it was my own religion that i use the buy into the bull that did this.
Well it's happening again right now. lol wtf do we do with these people.
krapptacular 2 months ago
This is why religion is a CANCER on earth and should be outlawed, destroyed and erradicated from Earth. Fucking Christians, this is YOUR fault.
aepceo1 2 months ago 2
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You mean Christians born almost 2000 years after Alexandria was built? Clearly their fault.
KeplerSC 2 months ago in playlist Carl Sagan Tribute Series 2
The limits set of man is forth the night of knowledge left to him not understanding what it is he seeks within himself. The burden lifted will sour to the heavens with no bounds. Great stuff thank you for sharing.
Argibon 2 months ago 4
If it were not for the "heroes" that came after those dark years (such as Giordano Bruno) our human race would be in a very sorry state of affairs right now, I am fortunate that today's scientific minds (Tyson, Cox, etc) have taken up Carl Sagan's task of sharing the wonder and beauty of universal knowledge to the human race. Unfortunately, the recovery from those dark ages is a fragile one. The forces of ignorance still remain and some of its supporters are more than eager to carry torches.
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Carl Sagan - "Our collective free time needs to shift as much as possible to education. Whether you're a young student or finished school long ago, get out to the library whenever you can and work hard to learn everything you can about this world. Each individual and society will benefit from being able to solve more problems and make better decisions. Education is an amazing discovery process that repays you endlessly."
TheLogicalBrain 4 months ago
i farted and fuck its strong
british123able 4 months ago
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Typical American ANTICHRISTIAN IDIOTIC FILM, FULL OF HALF LIES
KidJohnnyStorm 4 months ago
@KidJohnnyStorm , lol.. typical Christian who does not know anything about the history of his religion... Inquisition is also a lie , right?
gskowal 4 months ago in playlist Carl Sagan
@gskowal Dude, i am reading everyday more and more about Christianity and everything else, so stop talking nonsense. Hypatia lived like a christian, she had nothing to do with those paganists idiots at that time. She didn't sacrifice anything like they did, and was a virgin till her death. Why the hell did all those leftist-marxist talking about her? She has nothing to do with their ideology, its obvious, they use her just to attack Christianity. Carl Sagan is a Jew atheist, so it's obvious!!
KidJohnnyStorm 4 months ago
@KidJohnnyStorm , HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! You need some serious MEDS my friend.. GOOD LUCK! It might take few years of institutionalized psychiatric care but you might end up well one day...
gskowal 4 months ago
@gskowal Greece will never become like you. You American are soooo f****ng away from the real meaning of life. You even said that Jesus Christ WAS SAID to be son of God (OMG). Jesus IS son of God. But ofc that is a result of people who listened many Jews Atheists like Carl, Darwin, Marx etc. Btw nice job from Hollywood making Alexander the Great a gay but....... can you tell me ..... WHERE THE HELL DID YOU FIND THOSE HISTORIC FACTS??
KidJohnnyStorm 4 months ago
@KidJohnnyStorm , people of Greece have their own problems they need to deal with or they will end up being a 3rd world country. I WISH YOU LUCK. Can you prove that Jesus was a son of GOD? no.... so STFU already. Spewing nonsense won't get you anywhere. Have fun in your close minded hateful world of yours based on delusion.
gskowal 4 months ago
@gskowal Our economic problems came from your Zionist Country and the European Union- have you people ever tried to kill these Rothchilds guys?- Everyone here knows that the economy was destroyed when the American dog and former Priminister of Greece and father of the current (Yeah, absolutely no conspiracy theories) Adreas papandreou (Socialist and Jew OFC) took many money which were not ours and he created a huge debt, you can see it now.
Noone can prove anything to others, only to himself.
KidJohnnyStorm 4 months ago
@KidJohnnyStorm , I am done with you... YOU NEED medication and plenty of institutionalized psychiatric care ... have fun..
gskowal 4 months ago
@gskowal Bye Bye.
KidJohnnyStorm 4 months ago
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@KidJohnnyStorm do humanity a favor and kill yourself
Ataeginaa 2 months ago
@KidJohnnyStorm That was the longest, most boring word salad I've seen in a while.
roont 2 weeks ago
@KidJohnnyStorm Fuck off you pathetic troll.
Sharagran 2 months ago
@Sharagran Same
KidJohnnyStorm 2 months ago
I have come to a conclusion that knowledge and ideologies should not be destroyed, no matter how ignorant or contradicting they are. I believe this because we learn from our previous mistakes and ALWAYS find the truth and we will accept it, as long there is respect for facts and people push for reason and certainty.
Crazyninja30 4 months ago
This always makes me cry.
TheLonelyImmortal 5 months ago
if i could go back in time, i'd go to the time this happened, with a gatling gun, and kill every last one of them
CristianApostol 5 months ago in playlist More videos from callumCGLP
IGNORANT RETARDS
CristianApostol 5 months ago in playlist More videos from callumCGLP
and once again the world gets FUCKED IN THE ASS by religion...
it's 5:51 AM, and i'm clearly grumpy because i haven't slept
MrJackChileno1991 5 months ago
@MrJackChileno1991 its 1;30 AM and I"M PISSED TOO
Muusicca 5 months ago
@Muusicca lol, i didn't remember posting on this video, but it's nice to see someone agrees with me
MrJackChileno1991 5 months ago
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moocows111111 5 months ago
google "democracy now Pioneering Internet Archivists Brewster Kahle and Rick Prelinger on Preservation in the Digital Age"
embryod13 6 months ago
@DrMMHMD "most of what was in the books of course was bullshit, one only needs to look in science books 25, 50, 100 years ago to see the bullshit, medicine the same." Yes you did. "the french built the first car" I know, not my point. "exactly what "rediscovery of wisdom" happened?" Algebra, geometry, astronomy, medicine, philosophy, logic, the empirical method, China was not centuries ahead of the Greeks and Romans, they were centuries ahead of dark age Europe and had different knowledge.
michalchik 6 months ago
@DrMMHMD Science is a cumulative process of idea revision and refinement as well as the introduction of new ideas. Claiming that those ideas were bullshit is a bit like claiming the model T was junk because it is not as good as our cars today. It was not only useful but we would not have our cars today without it. Carl Sagan was right in saying that the renaissance the foundation of modern science would largely not have happened without the rediscovery of wisdom from Alexandria.
michalchik 6 months ago
@DrMMHMD do you happen to be on the Texas Board of Education?
MrSupercat9 6 months ago 3
@DrMMHMD
Biased in regards to what, exactly?
hitchman84 6 months ago
@DrMMHMD
Ah, Its always nice to see inspiring videos of Carl Sagan's genius infested with comments from ignorant twats like yourself.
hitchman84 6 months ago
The death of classical antiquity, never forget!
No really, never forget.
MarkArandjus 6 months ago
@DrMMHMD hahhaha reality you dumb bitch... um nah actually im not a nigger and you are a hoe just like ur mother. you started the momma trash talk so i guess you , in this case are indeed the nigger.
NAPPZ123 6 months ago
@DrMMHMD true..most books do get old in a matter of months, most in a matter of years. They stay on the shelves until the library can replace them. There is also the fact that we are comparing a library 2000 years ago with it's modern LOCAL cousin. Without direct knowledge of the bad material in the library, we have no clue on how many different things where in the library at the time of its demise. But you must also acknowledge that there was alot of helpful information in there none the less.
DASBIGUN 6 months ago
@DrMMHMD (I didn't finish)
Also, if all history of ancient times is faulty because it is 2000 years old, then you may as well be content with no ancient times at all because all evidence to it is faulty; at least all historical evidence is.
DASBIGUN 6 months ago
@DrMMHMD you have an extremely biased view on history and wouldn't be able to tell what history is real even if all the evidence was there in front of your face. You probably salute 'ol Adolf all the time right? think he is a blond haired and blue eyed Jesus?
What a joke, you call your self that, but in reality you are nothing more then some troll with a membership in the KKK.
DASBIGUN 6 months ago
@DrMMHMD or you can tell your slutty ass mother to stop swallowing my jizz and fingering her own asshole. you hoe ass bitch.you're a hoe and you get it from your mother lol faggot
NAPPZ123 6 months ago
@DrMMHMD I don't know where to start, you are beyond reason.
Plecebo1996 6 months ago
@DrMMHMD and you know what.... fine you can think black people are niggers all you want. but these "niggers" built the pyramids, pioneered arithmetic and mathematics, are in the white house and on the tv screen so you can think what you want. coward. scum of the earth. fucking hoe. lol
NAPPZ123 6 months ago
@DrMMHMD you talk so much shit. you're a fucking idiot therefore your definition has no credibility so idgaf.
and your a coward because you over here talkin online cuz you too scared to express your ignorant idiocy toward an actual black man, in person. hahaha stupid hoe
NAPPZ123 6 months ago
@DrMMHMD hahaha you dumb bitch. a nigger is an ignorant person while a black is a person of african descent. you by definition, are a nigger. fuckin coward.
NAPPZ123 6 months ago
@DrMMHMD a nigger is an ignorant person. and a black is someone who is of african descent. and you are a nigger because you are a very ignorant coward.
NAPPZ123 6 months ago
@DrMMHMD they werent niggers you faggot ass hoe. they were black and arab. motherfuckers need to stop distorting shit. and go outside and call a black person a nigger to their face and get your ass knocked out. talking all this shit online.
NAPPZ123 6 months ago
i would have given my life defending the library of alexandria
blackaces07 6 months ago
@DrMMHMD You do realise homeopathy is not science right? You are quite ignorant about what you are talking about. :P I'm quite sure you cannot say the same in return since I wouldn't appreciate somebody telling me how to do my job (I'm a scientist).
Entertainmentwf 6 months ago
@codeine1908 Of course it was bullshit? See my other response, Plutarch, as said before; wrote an entire book on the burning and if he can't be trusted then I suppose we can't trust other tales based solely on his working. Maybe the Spartacus slave revolt was also bullshit? Educate yourself before sharing your uninformed opinion.
Plecebo1996 6 months ago
@DrMMHMD Plutarch, probably the most trusted Ancient biographer dedicated an entire book to it, It is a known fact; there is no debate about it.
Plecebo1996 6 months ago
@DrMMHMD empirical inquiry IS observation. and observer bias is navigable provided observations are recorded truthfully.
WinterXL 7 months ago
@DrMMHMD but didn't you just make assertions as to it's content?
WinterXL 7 months ago
@DrMMHMD how is disagreeing with you about greek history "amerocentric"?
WinterXL 7 months ago
@DrMMHMD Consider a more modern example. Say all of our knowledge of quantum mechanics and the standard model were destroyed irrevocably tomorrow. Our knowledge of these fields is pitiful, but what little knowledge we do have is helpful in pursuing a more thorough understanding. In 50 years, scientists will look back and remark at how juvenile our knowledge of these subjects was, but that knowledge, however scant, is still the foundation for a better understanding.
callumCGLP 7 months ago 10
@DrMMHMD Alexandria was one of the rare places where the pervasive superstition of the time did not have a substantial influence on research. Surely, there was still some impact of those factors, but in science you have to be wrong before you are right. The Ptolemaic model led to the Copernican revolution, for example. Scientific knowledge is incremental, so to suggest incomplete knowledge is worthless demonstrates a gross misunderstanding of what science is.
callumCGLP 7 months ago 6
@DrMMHMD "truly you are a simpleton"
Very nice, jump right to the unfounded and ill-informed ad hominems.
None of those subjects are "science", they are all pseudoscience. By definition, science cannot be "bad science" because science is not an institution or dogma, it is a methodology for learning about the natural world. Again, having seen what doesn't work eliminates possibilities and furthers our progress. The destruction of the library set us back hundreds of years.
callumCGLP 7 months ago 52
@callumCGLP The destruction of the library didn't set us back at all. These were all books that were to be found other places as well. Few were only copies of texts, really what destroyed that knowledge was the thousand years of not-giving-a-shit during the Dark Ages when Christianity ran everything and everybody believed in God. Nobody copied the books and tossed a great many of them away and couldn't read them anyhow. If not for that thousand years, Columbus could well have gone to the moon.
Tatarize 6 months ago
@callumCGLP The failure of science during the Dark Ages is not simply due to religious disagreement, but an end to the values of science. Progress was not seen as a good or always achievable, curiosity was pilloried and dangerous, and empiricism was unneeded because the only thing you needed was salvation, and the only thing you needed to be saved was the Bible. Anything else was dangerous and might distract you. More books were lost to mold than fire.
Tatarize 6 months ago
@DrMMHMD That's not how science works. Scientists build on the knowledge gathered by the scientists before them. The observations and theories contained in the Library of Alexandria had to be rediscovered hundreds of years after the Library was destroyed. Science works cumulatively, where even incorrect facts are useful to subsequent generations, because they will have eliminated another possibility. If these events hadn't occurred, we might be a interstellar species right now.
callumCGLP 7 months ago 44
@callumCGLP add into that the christian dark ages lasting 1000years. so to add up our technology would have been about 3000years into the future today. imagine what we have learned and what technology we have created in the past 20 years and multiply that by 3000 years
UjioSatashi 3 weeks ago
@DrMMHMD k...
HeyRuka 7 months ago
I love Carl Sagan, but he is completely wrong. This is the movie Agora which is not based on fact, the Library of Alexandria was burnt by Caesar whilst he was chasing down Pompey in Egypt. Due to Caesar writing his own history he chose to leave out unfaltering points such as this, but historians have since discovered it to be the case. Christians and Pagans did disagree and there were fights in Alexandria but Christians, despite being the cause of many other fuck ups, aren't at fault this time.
Plecebo1996 7 months ago
@Plecebo1996 do you have a link or a book that shows this evidence? i would like to read i like knowing about different times of classical history its a hobby. thanks
ru2able 7 months ago
Car Sagan is always so inspiring
1993TRS1 7 months ago
Christians destroyed most of it, but then the Muslims finished off the remnants for the same reason as the Christians.
adobster 7 months ago
i don't believe Carl Sagan intended for us to blame "Christians" per se in this piece. The people behaving in that manner were not following the principals laid down by the one called "Christos." They were merely human beings doing what human beings controlled by their own self-centered desire for power and control did...if they didn't agree with it they destroyed it. The same attitudes are functioning today in our so-called civilization. Things have not changed that much in thousands of years.
thestargeezer 7 months ago
i don't believe Carl Sagan intended for us to blame "Christians" per se in this piece. The people behaving in that manner were not following the principals laid down by the one called "Christos." They were merely human beings doing what human beings contolled by their own self-centered desire for power and control did...if they didn't agree with it they destroyed it. The same attitudes are functioning today in our so-called civilization. Things have nor changed that much in thousands of years.
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The Abrahamic religions are a disease.
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HeyRuka 7 months ago
I hate religion so much. fuck...
HeyRuka 7 months ago 2
Thank you very much for uploading these, they are extremely well made. Thank you :)
MegaAwesomePossem 7 months ago
this is bullshit... how the hell are all those egyptians white? they were all arab or black, less than .5% would be white in egypt. they just want to tarnish the accuracy of history don't they.
NAPPZ123 7 months ago
@NAPPZ123 Stop being a whining pussy and just enjoy it.
ElectrumShiv 7 months ago
@ElectrumShiv shut the fuck up
NAPPZ123 7 months ago
@NAPPZ123 Aye aye cap'n!
ElectrumShiv 7 months ago
@NAPPZ123
Its actually very accurate in that respect. The people in charge of Alexandria at the time, indeed its very founders, were of Greek decent. They may have lived in a nation where Semitic and Sub-Saharan peoples were the majority but they certainly saw themselves as racially superior and made sure not to mingle to often. Naturally their art reflected this and that is why you see Hellenocentric frescos and statues everywhere as opposed to earlier Pharaonic art.
hitchman84 6 months ago
@NAPPZ123 Uh... They were Greeks...
axblake1 1 month ago
4 people have no heart.
TieXiongJi 8 months ago
i love it when people post videos such as these, you guys do a great service to the speaker and us listeners, thanks.
omnigear1975 8 months ago 2
Christianity: The reason you are not living in post scarcity
MacabreManifesto 8 months ago
@MacabreManifesto What is 'post scarcity'?
2001Horatio 8 months ago
@2001Horatio It's not technically post scarcity but it's the theoretical point in advancement of a civilization where even the unemployed are provided with an exceptionally good life because enough jobs have been automated that you no longer need to work, and production is sustainable, etc. There is no proof that this is possible but I was just making the point that we'd probably be more advanced by centuries if Christianity wasn't so repressive.
MacabreManifesto 8 months ago 2
@MacabreManifesto I think along the same track usually (re Christianity). Actually IF Christians could somehow manage to live as Christ suggested rather than the bastardized abomination of Jesus' teaching that they prefer to follow (especially in the US where Christianity is in general a disgrace) we would all be living post scarcity. Actually "American Christianity" is more or less oxymoronic - depending more on how you define "American" than how you define "Christian" I think
2001Horatio 8 months ago
Hi Callum. Man, it is difficult to get an answer by mail from you…so better try here. I just saw the “Frailty of knowledge” and I have to say, again you excel. I would like to translate and narrate this one as I’d been done …could you send me the music? By the way, did you watch the Portuguese versions? Take your time :) Cheers.
Rogerfon2010 8 months ago
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2001Horatio 8 months ago
@MrThebiggdude11 dear god..... hes a creeper....
Dextomus 8 months ago
Thanks for posting this series. : )
PiskieBenWa 8 months ago
The library of Alexandria... I can't even imagine the feelings of the scholars when it was burned.
ScientificExploits 8 months ago 4
Humans are overwhelmingly disappointingly ignorant and narrow-minded ......only a small percentage are enlightened.........this unbalance will unfortunately lead to our extinction...
brbr28 8 months ago 12
@brbr28 human race isnt perfect, nothing is, everything is flawed, the balance is that everything is unbalanced
you cant say the dark ages is bad, because if it didnt happen, we dont know what would have happened
Ultizer 8 months ago
@Ultizer its dark age because nothing good happened. instead of saying something stupid better stay quiet.
dumbnetworks 8 months ago 3
@brbr28 but you forget that the enlightened are the ones that rule countries
zenoparodie 6 months ago
@zenoparodie en·light·ened, 1.Having or showing a rational, modern, and well-informed outlook........yep you're right that sounds like Bush or Reagan
brbr28 6 months ago
@brbr28 ehrm, i wasnt talking about politicans, i was talking about the engineers and scientist that make the techonology we use everyday possible
zenoparodie 6 months ago
@zenoparodie Scientist and engineers don't rule countries, sadly. Its the politicians and generally people who know nothing about science that are in charge. The world would be a much better place if scientists were in charge of the world.
GodofSpanaway 6 months ago
@GodofSpanaway god fucking dammit, are you retarded? i say economics and everyday life techonology are ruled by engineers and scientists, not politics
zenoparodie 6 months ago
@zenoparodie alright asshole, I'm telling you your're wrong. Scientists and engineers produce the technology, but have no control over how it's used. Having some influence and "ruling" over something are two entirely different things.
GodofSpanaway 6 months ago
@GodofSpanaway well, we havent even slightly mentioned the users of techonoly, since most of them are not in positions of power
zenoparodie 6 months ago
Truly one of the greatest tragedies ever... Man. If only that library had been allowed to continue to flourish..
Drensworth 8 months ago
Would you mind if this video was mirrored? I'd love to share it with people.
DarkAffliction6 8 months ago
(continued) to Reason...which continue to this day (valid at least for sunni and part of shia). The problem is that they still believe that allah is Will and Power (but not reason) and that there are not secondary causes (thus the search for causes and effects in nature is strongly discouraged, critical thinking applied to religion is not important but only allah's commands etc). Search 'The closing of muslim mind' on the net (although I don't think that a return to the Mutazilites is enough)..
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philsci1 8 months ago
Its funny that Knowledge and science was destroyed under Christian rulership but thrived under Islamic rulership. Places like Iraq, Islamic Spain, Timbaktu. You can say alot about the current Muslims today but Muslims were vital to science and its works
josevanreyes 8 months ago
@josevanreyes True, but Islam back then was entirely different to what it is now, perhaps go over the Islamic Golden Age, it definitely did contribute a lot to society; unfortunately all it took was a few misinterpretations of the Qur'an and that whole era went to shit :(.
HughJass275 8 months ago 3
@josevanreyes It can be argued that there was a de-hellenization of the Christian mind indeed, especially between the 4th century until Thomas Aquinas. But it was not total as some claim, the fact that the Arabs still found some of the classical books intact in the 7th century is a proof that at least some Christians (most probably belonging to the clergy) still believed that Reason is important...As for the Arabs well after the Mu'tazilites they entered their own period of closing mind...
philsci1 8 months ago
@philsci1 I think you will find that Persians, Syrians, northern India (now dark age Pakistan) and all the advanced civilisations invaded by Islam were NOT Arab and still aren't Arab. It was they who had a wealth of knowledge and it was they who translated the works into Arabic. Arabia itself was never a centre of learning and in fact NO major engineering or scientific achievements occurred there. Islam, as you correctly noticed, did bring all the progress to an end, 1,000 years ago.
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philsci1 8 months ago
@ritchloui Yes I know (the post I was answering talked of Arabs). Replace Arabs with muslims. Anyways the same conclusion stands (if you refer at the despise for the value of human reason when applied to the basis of islam problem). Otherwise I agree with what you say, the so called 'Golden Period' of islam was in important ways the creation of the non muslim subjects living in the muslim empire (even the Mu'tazilite movement, who accepted that Reason is important, was 'catalyzed' by them).
philsci1 8 months ago
The Christians have a lot to do with humans not being advanced.
Benlikesgirls 8 months ago
@Benlikesgirls christians and all religions
dumbnetworks 8 months ago
Three people refuse to drink water because Brawndo's got electrolytes.
bohemianspiritmn 8 months ago 2
Three people would rather be mindless barbarians mired in Bronze Age superstition, undeserving of the very computer they used to down thumb this video.
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InContemplation 8 months ago
I think the music volume is mixed in a bit too loud relative to Sagan's voice.
arthur78 9 months ago
The movie is Agora. It is awesome.
Atheeizm 9 months ago
I just don't understand why youtube lets you post this with scenes from agora and using the Cosmos, while I will get any video I make with popular songs flagged.
endthedisease 9 months ago
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Agora is a very good film and well worth watching.
alexgmcm 9 months ago
Thanks..... Christianity.
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@bodybag22 Things are definitely much more complicated. It seems that the old Library was already destroyed at the time when the Christians demolished the Serapeum in 391 (not around 415). They destroyed at most a daughter library (most probably with new books). Caesar (by mistake) or the armies of Aurelian are the most probable culprits.
philsci1 8 months ago
@bodybag22 The dark ages robbed us of so much time. Imagine had humanity not been held back in such a way, we might be more advanced by a millennium
FASpitfire 8 months ago 2
@bodybag22 For creating unified nations, preserving the knowledge of Greece when the Roman Empire finally fell, and creating the conditions for the enlightenment thinking that would one day lead to things like the concept of human rights and the distribution of knowledge?
Axelgear2006 8 months ago
@Axelgear2006 ACtually, you'll have to thank the Irish for that my friend. And the conditions for civilization were created despite the Christian Church - not because of it. Read more
2001Horatio 8 months ago
@2001Horatio The Church preserved knowledge through monks and was pretty much the only institute of higher learning for centuries. Reading, writing, book-keeping and copying, these were kept alive by the Church more than anyone in Europe. It gave infrastructure, however poor and corrupt it might have been and become.
Civilization grew because people had infrastructure, which the Church provided by unification between groups. It wasn't the only organization that could or did, but it did.
Axelgear2006 8 months ago
@Axelgear2006 You could also argue that civilization 'grew' when the absolute power of the Christian Church began to wane.
2001Horatio 8 months ago
@bodybag22 no, Thank you.....ignorance.
Crazyninja30 8 months ago
Carl Sagan is one of the few people who can bring a tear to my eye. The world has lost one of its most potent voices. I could listen to his unequivocal reason all day.
The world will miss him.
Bobajobimus 9 months ago 79
@Bobajobimus It does.
hinni4 8 months ago
Muchas gracias por este video, es sobrecogedor.
dforero5 9 months ago
i learn a lot AwEsOmE
xiocx1 9 months ago
AwEsOmE i learn more than school..........from this video
xiocx1 9 months ago
haha wow, I just found these videos and binged until I watched this latest one. great stuff. I've been reading The Demon Haunted World by Sagan as well. It makes me want to fully immerse myself in science and the emerging world brought with it. In fact, I may, when I figure out what little part I want to do.
moothyknight 9 months ago 2
Thank you again! your videos are so powerfull and inspiring. Particularly this one, I've enjoyed it a lot, because I saw Agora, I love that film and I recommend it all the time, since, as someone already wrote: "Everyone should see it". thanks!!!!!!! and keep doing this wonderful job!!!!!!!
verovera78 9 months ago
Everyone should see the 2009 movie Agora. (which was the video used at the beginning of the video.)
johncrab67 9 months ago 3
Great video, thnx
NukerB52 9 months ago
I really love your Carl Sagan tribute videos. Hearing his words really helps to illustrate the ridiculousness of religious thinking and puts our position, as a one species, one people, into perspective. It is so much more refreshing than the strident words of Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris and Christopher Hitchens. I feel the Sagan's style is so much more effective on the religious who are already primed towads emotional appeals.
helical4 9 months ago 6
@helical4 I wouldn’t agree with that entirely. I remember that, when I watched Carl Sagan’s: Pale Blue Dot speech, it immediately enlightened me and got me thinking – it got me searching for the truth. But it wasn’t until I discovered Sam Harris (when he taught me that the Bible advocated slavery and other bullshit,) until I really realized how much nonsense religion is. But … if I never discovered Carl Sagan, my concern for the truth probably would have never been so prodigiously increased.
MarvelsofaLifetime 9 months ago
Another brilliant video, and one that is so very relevant in today's anti-intellectual environment.
dominictemple 9 months ago
I feel an urge to combat religion after watching this.
Kawabunga02 9 months ago
We could be so advanced if it weren't for religion
itsMinuteMaid 9 months ago
Who says is can't happen again....like right now, here in America.
aes53 9 months ago
It's very upsetting to think of the horrors committed by the religous and the regression caused by their dogma, but people like Carl give me hope for the future of humanity.
Everfrost1000 9 months ago
A teacher to the world. Carl Sagan, I worship you.
GwakBm 9 months ago
Agora is a silly and deceptive work of fiction. :|
mooseclamps 9 months ago
@mooseclamps are you denying what christians did in those times
Akira89M 9 months ago
I knew we should have rolled tape 1600 years ago. :^\
shackupyourstruly 9 months ago
Hypatia is my heroine. She represented both the best of human and woman -- and those murderers represented the worst of religiousity.
yellowlynx 9 months ago
I already love Carl Sagan, and now you add Lost music? I couldn't ask for anything else.
campeao005 9 months ago
I pray for great success for the whole human race.
DoMiNaToR2465 9 months ago
Hopefully our generations will be the initiation of a modern renaissance
mutalix 9 months ago
Great video as always...and I wanted to thank you for using the video from the movie Agora behind it this time. I was unfamiliar with this film and looked it up after seeing it here. for those interested, it is currently available for streaming download from Netflix and stars Rachel Weisz. If you enjoyed this video, I urge you to take a look at the movie...good stuff.
Thanks, Callum.
GeauxTiger 9 months ago
"We know of a three-volume history of the world, now lost, written by a Babylonian priest named Berossus. Volume One dealt with the interval from the creation of the world to the great flood, a period that he took to be 432,000 years, or about one hundred times longer than the Old Testament chronology. What wonders were in the books of Berossus." .../watch?v=zYaQha7W7Bs
marasu66 9 months ago 2
I can't really think of a bigger loss to humanity as a whole, than the burning of the library of Alexandria.
krunkjunk 9 months ago 2
what program did you use to render this video?
ethankegley 9 months ago
I think people will always be able to believe in the divine or the lack of one. No matter how hard one tries to explain that there isn't a god, uncertainty can always tell us that maybe there is one. However, believing one way or another at that minute level is pointless in every day life.
What's important is that modern society does away with the dogmatic fundamental institutions who hold us back & refuse to accept honored truths about mankind, science, history, physics, nature and the cosmos.
samisyosam 9 months ago 3
Awesome work callum! Thanks!
monkimajik 9 months ago
Faved and added to two playlists, and liked. Marvelous my friend, marvelous <3
DanteMoodyFilms 9 months ago