Also, the Howard Hughes mysteries tie to that same Utah Banking Cult whose prophesied "secret combinations" in the "latter days"... all of his military wealth absconded. Hmm.
Amazingly, the banking cult that has a secret alliance with the Vatican Banking Cartel has it's church headquarters in Utah, I wonder if it is by accident that our Federal taxes are SENT TO OGDEN UTAH.
You are really funny. Why haven't you made this movie in a bit earlier - when USA "led" the world's economy. They lied to YOU all but YOU all were deaf - cos' they filled YOUR mouth by cars(several in family), cheap gas, granted loans and mortgages, by bulshits about spinning economy. They covered onw interest (military business) by bulshits about speading democracy. Now you got to pay, mates. Who else, only You. So come on, you got a huge portion to do!!! :-) :-)
@DucieMan Sorry, but I have no idea what you're ranting about. Maybe it was lost in the translation. Or maybe it was just an emotion tantrum without any substance to lose. But since you seem to be angry about a video pointing out that theft is bad, I'd like to try to understand what your complaint is.
Interesting, and for over 100 years this country did not have an income tax. What the Constitution did was allow the government to collect a tax from the sale of goods, which it provided the safe place in which you did your business. I'm not totally disagreeing with you, but how do you propose the government protect the boarders, and property of it's people if it has no way to produce revenue?
It isn't like no one would attack us if our military ceased to exist.
@fastaslightning1 Yes, the original power to steal was supposed to be more limited and indirect, but it was still theft (as the video mentions). And to say the state has to steal in order to protect people's property is silly. And yes, it IS like no one would attack us if not for the "government" military. Not only does the military MAKE most of our "enemies," but an armed populace (as the founders knew) is a far better deterrent to invasion than a standing army.
@LarkenRose I agree our military actions cause many of our enemies, and I am not disputing that.
So an armed populace is enough to keep invasion from modern armies? I am all about limiting government, but I cannot fathom how you would protect against a country like Mexico would would be backed by China in a minute if they thought they would get ahead. How do you propose we support our shores and run an effective navy? I'm not suggesting we attack anyone, just defend our waters.
@fastaslightning1 What, exactly, do you think Mexico could do against 100,000,000 armed citizens, even if we did NOTHING to organize or prepare? I believe it was Admiral Yamamoto who, when asked why Japan didn't invade mainland U.S. (California), said that it was because there would be a gun behind every blade of grass. How well are the huge, expensive war machines working right now, against badly armed "insurgents" in the middle east?...
@LarkenRose Surely you are not suggesting the populace could set up and build it's own submarines, air craft carriers, and destroyers. Are you suggesting this should be a business? If so, I can see the possibility, but what direct benefit would such a company give in times of peace? Would it be funded voluntarily? Charity? You are suggesting that there are enough people scared enough in this country, to donate a portion of their income every year to cover threats even when not at war?
@LarkenRose Surely you are not suggesting the populace could set up and build it's own submarines, air craft carriers, and destroyers. Are you suggesting this should be a business? If so, I can see the possibility, but what direct benefit would such a company give in times of peace? Would it be funded voluntarily? Charity? You are suggesting that there are enough people scared enough in this country, to donate a portion of their income every year to cover threats even when not at war?
@fastaslightning1 Giant war machines are mostly good at fighting other giant war machines. They're remarkably inefficient at defense, and even at invading and occupying a place populated by armed citizens. Normal folks with guns works quite well, as demonstrated in Switzerland. You ask how to fight a tank? Wait until the guy gets out of it, and shoot him. A standing army is an excuse to enslave us, not a means to keep us free. The founders knew this, and preferred a militia.
@fastaslightning1 Sorry if this offends the flag-wavers, but the "insurgents" in Iraq didn't lose. Same in Vietnam. Armed residents, even with mediocre firearms, even if they're a small minority of the population, can be almost impossible to conquer. After many years, and billions of dollars spent, lots of huge war machines used, what happened in Vietnam? Or Iraq? Or Afghanistan (attacked by two opposing superpowers)? And gun owners here have better guns, and know a lot more about using them.
@LarkenRose I'm basically agreeing with you, but there is no doubt that the Spartans were conquered by a large invading army. The Germanic tribes were as well by the Huns.
Your assertion that the smaller force successfully defended is a complete farce. The Huns did such an amazing job of ransacking a free world, that Baghdad has not recovered in the 1000 years since. I'm aware of the pitfalls of a large military force at home, but the controlling force in the US is the Constitution.
@LarkenRose That document if followed is a limiting factor. I'm not suggesting that RP is the savior, but if government was run as he suggests, as it was intended it is too weak to oppress it's own people. It needed a proclamation by the Congress. This is how it is smart. The problem is that we have violated it completely, to no real recourse.
I'm not saying it will change, but at least give it a chance to change. At least try to elect someone different before you say it cannot be done.
@fastaslightning1 Give it a chance to change?? The Constitution has had over two CENTURIES of completely failing to limit the "government" it pretended to create. How much more time do you want to give it? People have been "working within the system" to try to achieve freedom forever, and it never, ever works. How much longer should we put up with tyranny, hoping that this time it will magically work?
@LarkenRose An armed populace is a great deterrent to violent crimes, and even in idea the government, but truthfully, what exactly is an armed populace going to do against an M1 Abrams, or the Chinese equivalent?
War has come to many a peaceful society who could not defend itself, it is why many societies that want to stay peaceful are vigilant in having the entire population trained in modern war tactics.
I guess I'm not seeing how we stay free with essentially no military for even our defense
@fastaslightning1 One last thing: the most efficient form of defense against invasion by foreign tyrants is something most "modern" "governments" specifically condemn: assassinating "leaders." The tyrants having a running agreement that they will have their pawns slaughter each other, while leaving both sets of tyrants unharmed. Hell with that. If some tyrant orders an invasion of your home town, hire an assassin to kill the bastard. It's relatively cheap, and saves lives on both sides.
@Germantunedcars The fact that Lysander published "No Treason" so long ago, and self-described freedom advocates still treat the Constitution like divine gospel, shows the effectiveness of statist propaganda. Well, maybe in another hundred years, everyone will understand what Lysander said over a hundred years ago.
@wpw232 if I write on a paper that you owe me 200 dollars a month, is it ok for me to coercively take it and call it a "law"? Because that's what you saying, that "might makes right" and some writings on paper can be law, even when you disagree with it. So yah, think about it.
@MaikUniversum I didn't say that all. And I dont support taxation. I was just pointing out the even more depressing reality of income tax. At the end of every year the government tells us how much we can keep not how much they will take. After all, in their view, it's theirs. Frank Chodorov: "Taxation the root of all evil"
@MaikUniversum "The state is saying to its citizens, you're earnings are not exclusively your own. We, the state, have a claim on them and our claim precedes yours. We will allow to keep some of it, because we recognize your need but not your right. But whatever we grant for you is for us to decide. Your income is ours, We have nationalized your income." They have not stolen anything per say, what they have done is reappoint citizens as slaves. It's a more depressing reality than anything.
Bank Of America Dumps *$75 Trillion* In Derivatives On U.S. Taxpayers With Federal Approval:
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The plan steadily moves along...
Crony capitalism is alive and well in America. No amount of legislation will ever protect savers, taxpayers or the American people. Profits will continue to be privatized & losses socialized.
The closer you get to the truth, the more venomous your detractors will become, resorting to any dirty trick in the book to discredit you and the facts you present. Especially shills of the $paid to-type variety. It is 1 thing to have differing opinions on any given subject. It is quite another to resort to logical fallacies, insinuation, name calling, and dirty tricks to make yourself and/or your opinion appear more valid than someone elses.
A very good, commonsense-based video. I actually view this form of taxation robbery from a different perspective. Let's say that the tax rate is running at 25%, you work for 40 years, which will then dictate that you had to sacrifice 10 years of your life just to pay that tax bill. They're literally stealing years of our lives from us, all for the benefit of the self-proclaimed "elite" who know every tax dodge in the book.
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@WolfTeilahr1 You went to work driving on the road all those years you worked right? ;-D
Your kids went to school for those years you worked?
You called the police and fire department when you needed it all those years.
You used public services. bought gasoline, went to the hospital, etc., all those years you worked.
That 25% you paid is what pays for those free services you enjoy that allowed you to be able to buy gasoline and go to work you stupid asshole, taxes are not theft :-D
@watercup123456 yeah, but i am only forced to work because a gang of thugs stole our land and now forces us to labor for money to survive on it. People did not ever want to be depended wage slaves... it was forced on them.
Your problem is that you are an indoctrinated freak with not a very good idea of true history.
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@bryphi77 You are only forced to work because.....?
You mean you wouldn't have to work otherwise because all this money would just have been handed to you had it not been apparently stolen by some non-existent group of thugs you dreamed up?
You are so fucking stupid it's pathetic.
Oh you mean forced to work like those africans and native americans you enslaved and pushed off of their land and murdered by the millions?
You are SO full of it. OMFG please learn facts and history K redneck? :-D
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@WolfTeilahr1 The taxes go back to YOU in social services you need and use, like the roads, schools, and fire dept!
WHO IS *THEY* you lunatic?? WHO are these "elites" you speak of!?
You are just a crazy stupid loser who is complaining that you have to pay your taxes, you want EVERYONE ELSE to pay for the services YOU USE. You just want it free. Too bad asshat there is no free lunch ;-D
If *THEY* the "elites" you can't name are tax dodging, thats a legit grievance, not taxes in general though.
@watercup123456 You silly...silly man....your taxes go to pay the interest on the national debt. I am sorry but....these "services" could be handled by the private sector.
@noudo25 The private sector, ie corporations, can't do shit except sell you poison while robbing you blind, making sure they pay nothing in taxes and you foot the bill for them.
Only some of your tax dollars go to paying the interest on the national debt. Most is broken up between defense spending and medicare/medicaid. OOPS facts ;-D
Larken I believe your barking up the wrong piece of paper buddy the paper your having a problem with is the 16th amendment The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment.and that was 90 years ago in 1913 that was a bad year that was the year the income tax The IRS and the federal reserve all came into being basicly the begining of the end of our little experiment.
@metapatriot At the risk of getting caught up in the politicians' "legalese" BS, the 16th Amendment did not even pretend to create any new taxing power. (See Stanton v. Baltic Mining, Peck v. Lowe, Evans v. Gore, and Brushaber v. Union Pacific, among others.) Aside from supposed technical limitations on the imagined power to steal, Article I, Section 8, Clause 1 is the epitome of insanity. Aside from details, it claims someone has the right to rob someone else.
@LarkenRose I concur on your view point in fact I am scheduled to face the IRS myself in two weeks, but what really gets to me is the fact that a lot of the money they are stealing is going for the purposes of crimes against humanity and killing thousands of people so at least by acknowledging it is theft maybe it bears some consolation on our souls. not that I'm religious,no they actually endorse this sort of thing.
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@LarkenRose Taxation by the government is not robbery. That is a straw man.
Everyone voted for taxation, because public services, roads, schools, and fire departments are a *good* thing. That's why they are there.
You use these services and have to pay for them. You are an idiot and just want everything free. If you don't want these services or want to pay for them, move out of the usa to the woods where there are no roads, hospitals, schools, or electricity, and you can live in a shithole :-D
@LarkenRose What it did was allow the Federal Government to keep the "Direct Taxes" they collected. Prior to this they had to dole (apportion) "direct taxes" back to the states according to their populations. That was a poor idea. It allowed the federal government to blossom to its present truly stupendous size.
@TheOcculus Actually, the 16th Amendment didn't do that either. According to the Supreme Court in Stanton v. Baltic Mining, it was to prevent "the power of income taxation possessed by Congress from the beginning from being taken out of the category of indirect taxation to which it inherently belonged." It didn't create the power to tax, or expand, though it was intended to SEEM like it did.
No...what you said was about charitable giving...What about the rest of the issue...What about the ones who want others to carry their part of the responsibility for the things that they make use of. And what about the fact that charitable giving in this culture has never really carried the destitute without some form of taxation. The giving premise worked in Native cultures...but this is DEFINITELY not a giveaway culture. Some do...but... too many won't and not because they can't.
@ancestralblue Allow me to say what you didn't say, but what you meant. "I don't trust people to give what they should, so men with guns should force them to give as much as I think they should." Stop speaking in euphemisms and vague evasions. State, bluntly and accurately, what you advocate. If it sounds bad when you state it bluntly, maybe it's because it IS bad. (P.S. The American people give huge sums to charity, even after the state robs them.)
@LarkenRose What I said has NOTHING to do with being a "euphemism". And that's about as blunt as I can be...It's not about how it sounds...Sorry that offends you... I did not advocate the use of guns to get you to give what you should...Nor do I advocate the tax system as it is right now...But the fact is that in this world some form of taxation is a necessity and it has to be spread evenly and not carried by the few. Do I not trust them to give?...you bet.
Well thought out and put together. I believe that what they meant as taxes in those days was different than the tribute we pay today.
Their concept was to collect a transaction fee on business done with foreigners for the most part. I think that sort of transaction is generally considered as appropriate for the added value.
The income tax, actually tribute and never ratified, required a constitutional amendment because everyone knew it exceeded the powers envisioned by our founders.
There was an eccentric pawn shop owner here in town that did not believe in paying his taxes to the city. Every so often they would raid his store and take merchandise for non payment of back taxes, so it looks like you are right on target.
Love it! Yes, the "American Revolution" simply substituted one ruling class for another. And the constitution was first violated by President Washington, when he used Federal Troops against civilians to quell the Whiskey Rebellion of 1794, and force the payment of the unfair "luxury tax" on whiskey distillers. (google it)
What's truly ironic is that ALL Federal Income taxes now go to NOTHING BUT PAYING THE FEDERAL RESERVE for the loan of what was our money in the first place.
@watercup123456 - Love it when someone accuses me of his own shortcomings.
What do you think the phrase "national debt" means? The sick gubmint of the USSA votes every year to RAISE the debt level (credit limit), Then, they borrow money from the Fed to spend on those things. Google is your friend, buddy.
They dipped into the SS fund and pilfered it dry long ago. Duh!
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@nameofthepen You have no fucking clue how the economy works :-D
Yes GOOGLE is your friend, liars like alex jones and our friend larken here are not ;-D
So what if you raise the debt limit? That doesn't mean anything really. Borrowing from the FED is another issue.
None of this has ANYTHING to do with what larken, or you, or any of you crazy anarchist tax cheats have been babbling about. It's more smoke and mirrors.
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@nameofthepen If government has been robbing from social security, what does that have to do with you paying your taxes (which IS NOT social security) or paying into social security?
You should be angry people in business are trying to steal from your investment (social security).
But you are a crazy stupid asshole who doesn't understand how social security works.
Again the whole issue is MISMANAGEMENT not the fact you pay taxes in the first place.
@nameofthepen I'm not even going to answer this rude ignoramus. Another sad attention seeker who's ego dwarfs his IQ. The facts are the facts, whether he can accept them or not. Larkenrose is 100% correct in what he says. Thanks for sharing the video, n0m.
@nameofthepen Shill is frightened of its precious govcorp system collapsing if people don't pay taxes :) Poor thing! This video REALLY got under its skin. If there was nothing to the info, why bother? Instead its obsessed with convincing people taxation without representation is necessary & in their best interest. Look at it so desperately lashing out here..for months! What kind of person does that..defends *taxes* (of all things) like their life depends on it...I think we know :)
@rg2027x - You got it! YouTube is FULL of paid disinfo lackeys, and that's not "conspiracy theory", it's fact. They each have their assigned videos/subjects, and they have trainers, and handlers, etc.
And speaking of "income tax", guess who funds these PSYOPS against us? /watch?v=zZXFK8z9WXo
@nameofthepen Absolutely :) Glad you brought it up. It is well known that govts & intelligence agencies employ rent-a-trolls to post on blogs, chatrooms, internet forums+ YouTube. They don't like people speaking out publically about their activities & agenda.
watch?v=VpVUYGcgtjw
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Govt offering private corporations contracts to create software to manage "fake people" on social media sites. to create the *illusion of consensus* on controversial issues:
You did it because you don't want casual readers seeing information that exposes you.
It's not spam its 100% related to discussion.
It's "spam" to dubious creature like you, because it's incriminating to your "activities."
What to do? You can't debate it. Or accuse "conspiracy!" because the proof is right there. All you can do is desperately bury the comment "spam" in hopes no one views it
@watercup123456 It wasn't "spam." What you did was censorship. You don't want people viewing the info. If it wasn't detremental to your mission here you wouldn't care. Your motives couldn't be more obvious.
Not "paranoid" but being AWARE. There's a difference.
People have every right to be suspicious of rabid establishment shills in all your disinfo tactics & smearing. Yes those programs exist. That is fact & reality, not "paranoid" as you'd like to trick people to believe.
@rg2027x The message I marked, you didn't post any information.
You are spamming the internet and wasting precious resources.
Stop it.
You are paranoid, not aware. You are not aware of anything. You probably don't even think AGW is real. How are you to claim you are aware when you don't even see how corps are robbing you blind and shitting in your backyard while selling you poison?
There are no disinfo shills. You are fucking crazy. The gov is too busy bombing black and brown people retard.
@watercup123456 "The message I marked, you didn't post any information"
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False & a lie.
I in fact contributed relevant info on govts employing paid trolls to post on YouTube posing as regular users in support of agendas
You flagged this comment "spam" within minutes in a panic. quick!
If it wasn't threat to your presence here, why bother? why not leave for all to see to warn people. But you felt desperate need to hide it so no one could view. Not difficult to figure why : )
@rg2027x The programs that exist are giant data gathering centers that make a file on you and put all the online stuff you do into it. Where you go, what you watch, what you buy, what you dl, what you type, but no one is looking at the data unless they *absolutely* need to, there is WAY too much data and info, not to mention way too many people to track, they simply don't have the manpower and personnel to sift through YOU to know about YOU (unless YOU blow something up ;-D and cops need access)
@rg2027x Now do I agree with these giant data gathering centers, and other constitution and bill of rights trampling programs, laws, policy, or the encroaching police state?
I think we can clearly see how I feel about such things ;-D
You gotta get out there, and you have to protest. You have to vote in reps that do a good job and aren't just concerned about corporate interests. And you can even get yourself elected.
It's paranoid to think they are after you unless you ARE a criminal ;-D
@watercup123456 Your comment history goes back farther than "like a week"
"Funny... You keep responding"
As you do exactly that.LOL
only to namecall, flag relevant comments "spam" & provide nothing of substance. What a waste of time! Your "life" must be meaningless
This video has you all hot & bothered, lashing out, swearing :) I love it. Really got under your skin. Enough for you to lose control and lash out at strangers over the internet. Does it make you feel better?
@watercup123456 "that's right whatever makes you sleep at night and helps that burning feeling inside"
Sounds like a personal problem.
The fact you flagged any comment "spam" speaks volumes of your intentions. You abuse the comment system. Everyone's comments should be seen for sake of freedom of speech. Yet to you, certain information 100% relevant to the discussion must be silenced & buried. Only a shill with ulterior motive would do that. Keep cursing away it's all you got.
@rg2027x Funny how "watercup" does his attempt at censorship here. State-worshiping delusions such as his get plenty of air time in the mainstream, but I'm still happy to have his lunacy displayed here, so rational people can get a first-hand look at the psychological effects of statism. How ironic that on my channel, he wants to censor you, while I don't censor him. But that's in keeping with statists' control-freakism. If he didn't want his views forced on us, he'd be on our side.
@rg2027x Yep I WILL keep calling a proven fucking liar a fucking liar ;-D
Its what you are ;-D
Keep crying to mommy about it. ROFL what a fucking baby. OOOOHHH he swore! He's cussing! OOOH mommy mommy make it stop! ROFL. What a fucking loon.
YOU have nothing but to say I swear. Yeah, I called you a fucking liar. It's true, you ARE a fucking liar. A BIG one too. You are completely ignorant of history, and what's worse, you lie about history
What is your ulterior motive for lying I wonder? ;-D
@watercup123456 "I WILL keep calling a proven fucking liar a fucking liar"
You have done nothing to "prove" I'm lying about anything
In fact your "response" to anything I post is to regurgitate I'm "lying". Without ever citing these "facts" you claim you "raped me with", only typing your "What a fucking loon" "fucking liar" "vapid, ignorant fuck" "lying trolling criminal garbage" "fucking baby" "Holy fuck you are SO fucking stupid" "fucking loser"
I came to realize this years ago.. I call it: "The Divine Right of 'CUZ I SAID SO"! (it's always good to throw God in there - makes it sound more 'official').
The church and British Monarchy have been doing this for centuries! (fools the people all the time). The American government is no different.. 'CUZ WE SAID SO! (and generation after generation have to obey us).
Read 'The Constitution of No Authority' by Lysander Spooner (re: generational bogus 'Contract').
What else is new? Use our tax dollars for nefarious purposes like bailing out the criminal banks, paying for murderous wars that kill millions & propping up puppet governments (otherwise known as “aid”). Then privatize profits that come from these “investments” in the fascist corporations that feed on the resources and contracts that become available (pre-planned) from these scenarios.
We are tired of being economically-raped & pillaged to pay for all this garbage that does none of us any good!
@watercup123456 "That your a raping murderer, that's what."
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LOL! Worthless namecaller shill is worthless. and getting desperate..: ) as it reveals its true colors. Dumb insults are the next step in any lost debate on "Youtube."
You accuse rape, as you spend months here, hiding in a computer venemously defending a criminals tax system that pillages & rapes citizens like your life depends on it. Guilty conscience much?
@watercup123456 "You said you want no society, no government, and total anarchy"
? I never "said" any of that. You are avoiding the issue with disinformation tactics. Sidetrack opponents with name calling & ridicule. Also known as the primary attack the messenger ploy. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as “rapist”, “tax cheat“ "conspiracy buff" & so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.
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@rg2027x Yes you did say that. You are a liar and a bullshit artist.
You are a disinfo agent and a crazy fuckhead.
I call you names and ridicule you because *you deserve it*, you are a crazy, lying, vapid troll :-D
You ARE a rapist, criminal, and a tax cheat, conspiracy lunatic, and so forth you stupid fuck. God you are thick!
Issues? What issues? YOU are the one WITH the issues! You want anarchy and you think taxes are theft, which makes you automatically fucking crazy. Bye nice day loser!
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@rg2027x The tax system isn't pillaging or raping citizens you fucking liar.
How fucking stupid are you? Do you have any comments that aren't total lies and worthless fallacies? Anything that isn't some generalization of some horseshit conspiracy? Didn't think so ;-D
@watercup123456 I love it when nerves are struck : ) Look at you flailing away. Hiding behind your computer typing 12/yo cursing you'd never have courage to say to someones face in person.
Who in their right mind would support anything those criminals do. Disinfo for fun? Who likes being taxed, much less spends months of their life in a forum excusing it.
You have to be a blind hopeless fool or paid govt shill to so feverishly defend this shit. I wonder which one you are?
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@rg2027x I find it much more hilarious for a lying hypocrite to be complaining about paying taxes and wanting to do away with taxes, complaining that it is theft, slavery, yadda yadda, all the while typing away on a machine called a computer developed with your tax dollars, the idea thought up thanks to tax dollars. The internet you complain on, only possible with tax dollars.
You wouldn't be able to complain to me with your bullshit if it were not for those taxes you cheat on you know :-D
I'd have plenty to say to you in person. You'd really have it then :-D
YOU are the criminal remember ;-D
No one likes being taxed of course, that's not the point loser. No one likes wiping their asshole either. Or eating the untasty food they know is healthy for them that they need.
You need roads, and taxes pay for them.
You are so blind and crazy it's pointless to even try to get you to comprehend basic reality :-D
@rg2027x I didn't flag this one as spam, but thanks to whoever did :-D
Funny how you complain ron paul isn't of the people when I bring out someone who I would say definitely IS for the people, and no one could really disagree on that point (and to be honest I don't really like ron paul at all and think a lot of his ideas are nuts :-D ).
Man I thought right wingers are stupid. You anarchist criminal tax cheats are REALLY fucking stupid :-D
@watercup123456 You brought up "Ron Paul" out of nowhere as diversion. A platform to launch your dumb insults, nothing more.
You claim he's "definitely IS for the people." Name 1 thing hes changed for the better, for the people. No politician is for the people. Yet a weird tax apologist like you wants us to believe govt "reps" care about peoples grievances. LOL! And look at you flailing. all you got are false accusations, slander. No facts, nothing substantial. What a tool
@ta2dave The Constitution sought to create a ruling class, with the right to steal and forcibly dominate. (Read Article I, Section 8.) The fact that it was supposed to steal and dominate only in a specific, "limited" manner, doesn't change what it is. I don't want a nice, "limited" slave-master, as the Constitution describes. I want freedom. The best thing the founders ever did (by accident) was to prove that "limited government" is a lie.
And the new powers being written into law, namely SB 1867, would allow U.S. military to detain and murder anti-government protesters in American cities
That means peaceful people such as the maker of this video would be rounded upand slaughtered.
So who you ask... would pay for the roads, and downed power lines in a free society?
Slavery is a bad thing right? well at the time of slavery in America they only had slaves to pick the cotton.
Once you begin to see what government is, (slavery) you see very quickly just how ridiculous those questions are.
Without slaves they found a way to pick the cotton, and without force we can find a way to maintain the roads other than stealing money to subsidize it.
EVERYBODY MUST READ THIS POST CAUSE HALF OF THE COMMENTATORS ARE EGOTISTICAL MATERIALISTIC ASSHOLES
we need taxes to pay for downed electrical lines, new roads, and schools, but the government goes to far when they take out hard earned money and spends it on things we dont approve on, a small group of less then 1% of the population sure ass hell shouldnt be ruling the entire unites states, its corrupt we need control, votes should come from all citizens not a group less then 1% of U.S people
@lakelandism So you want your money going to things you think are good and useful, and not going to things you think are bad and destructive? Well, duh. There's a way to have that. It's called freedom. (It's also called "anarchy.") And for the things you WANT, why would you need to be FORCED (via "taxation") to pay for them? How about a voluntary society, where you pay for what you want, and get what you pay for? Watch my other video, "Let's Make a Deal."
@LarkenRose Anarchy, by definition, is no government.
Anarchy is not freedom and is not synonymous with freedom. It is simply no government.
The idea that anarchy equates to freedom is the kind of nonsensical idea you'd find among 15 year old's in high school saying to each other "Yeah anarchy!" while smoking weed and ditching class :-D
There is no society in anarchy, that's the whole point.
You are not forced via taxation. This has been debunked already. Your straw men are ridiculous.
@LarkenRose Larken... I get your point and most of us resent taxes that go to the military, the politicians pockets and pork barrel projects...There, unfortunately, there are more than a few people who will allow others to carry the load when it comes to the roads they ride on, the poor and handicapped in their community and anything else that represents a public project that benefits them but they don't kick in to it.
@ancestralblue - None of our federal taxes goes to roads, to the poor, or any other thing you mentioned. ALL taxes go only to paying interest to our own money, which was loaned back to us by the illegal Fed Reserve.
Any food stamps, road maintenance, etc., is handled by the states themselves, OR by borrowing MORE of our own money from the Fed.
And, the charity and goodwill of decent people is, and always has been, the most reliable and abundant succor to the truly needy.
@nameofthepen Yes... I think I mentioned that many taxes go to junk...I get it about the Federal Reserve and such. But I know first hand how people will walk right by somebody who's begging. And whether it's animal or human, the "not my problem" attitude rules far too many. For every person who will stop and give to someone in need...there are many more who won't. Unfortunately the charity and good will of decent people is left to be provided by far too few.
@nameofthepen No...I don't think that ANYTHING done at gunpoint is valid or correct...But reality is that there are far too many that look for a way to contribute to nothing. Not to the poor...not to the upkeep of the roads that they ride on...not to their own upkeep and even their own health. How long before you get ticked off that you pay for the infrastructure that you and they use, but, only you and a select group of others get to fund the very things that all use.
@nameofthepen What's the answer to the ones who want use what's available without any contribution? The ones who care not for anyone or anything else but themselves whether they're rich or middle class... Is that acceptable? And do you want to put out what they should be putting out?
@ancestralblue - You cite hypothetical generalities, using emotion-laden phrases like "the poor and handicapped", "the ones who care not for anyone but themselves", "rich", "walk right past someone who is begging", etc.
Then, apparently, you're saying that in hopes of forcing these so-called selfish people to pay up what YOU think they morally owe to others, we all should be terrorized and robbed equally by a rogue gubmint to see it gets done?
@nameofthepen No that's NOT what I said...I asked you do you want to put out for those who make use of infrastructure but want you to carry the responsibility for it?. You have not answered that. And also if there are not enough"charitable" givers to address the needs of the destitute, what should be done? Read it again.
@ancestralblue - and I have already answered both of those in earlier comments.
As far as fair contribution to, and use of, infrastructure goes, you should research how the Golden Gate Bridge was conceived, funded, and is still maintained. I'll give you a hint: it was NOT by the "gubmint".
@ancestralblue EVERYTHING the "government" does it does via threats, backed by guys with guns who will do harm to the disobedient. You know it's true, even though you were trained not to look at it that way. So let me ask you directly, do YOU advocate that I be forced to fund things YOU want, but that I think are immoral and destructive? (I ask statists this all the time, and almost never get an answer.)
@LarkenRose You dont get an answer cause there is no rational answer...
The constitution was considered the original patriot act by 90% of the population when it was ratified. Yet it was still jammed down the masses throat at gun point so that a few statist, land owners, and industrialists could live like kings off of the forced labor and taxation of the masses.
It took years to indoctrinate the weak minded to beleive that taxation, wage slavery and dependence was a good thing.
@LarkenRose Feeding people is NEVER immoral...Any sacred text will tell you that...But of course people who reject helping anybody don't care about such things and way too often there are not enough "good samaritans" out there. The reason that you go unanswered is more than likely that they choose not to respond to your bully attitude. You resent intimidation, but you seek to intimidate. Stuck in the left brain and beast mind.
@ancestralblue If you don't support using men with guns, what DO you advocate be done to those who don't pay "taxes"? You speak of giving and feeding people, pretend to be charitable, while conveniently not mentioning the violence that all "governments" use to collect taxes. Mass extortion is not charitable or moral, no matter what you do with the loot.
@LarkenRose You do realize that you would not even be able to type on a machine with word processing capabilities were it not for the government and tax dollars that you call theft and slavery?
You do realize that computers are the direct result of taxes, right?
You do realize that the internet was not possible without tax dollars, and could not exist without taxes? The internet wouldn't even exist without taxes.
You complain about taxes on a machine through a medium that was made with taxes!
@watercup123456 Computers exist only because politicians rob people? Um, sure. Do you think your state-worshiping delusions could get any more ridiculous?
@ancestralblue Claiming to be charitable while stealing from people then doling out the stolen money from your hand, where everyone can see, isn't charitable it's a LIE. The fruits of this rotten seed are rotten as well.
I can and do help people when I can. It's not always money. Usually folks who really need help won't ask. I'm not real interested in your adulation for it. Call it Karma or Paying it Forward or... Good will come back to me but I ain't looking for it.
@joseney21 Yep, what you have the inherent right to do, such as using defensive force to stop a murderer, you can write on a piece of paper, if you feel so inclined (though doing that has no bearing on whether it's legitimate). What you do NOT have the inherent right to do, such as robbing your neighbor, cannot be made legitimate by writing it down and signing it. Can you really not distinguish the difference? One is civilized, one is not, regardless of whether it is called "law" or not.
I am REALLLLLLLLLY wondering how this guy thinks a society, government, group of people, etc, or anything else is going to get done, without a system whereby people offer up their resources (ie. money) to the group (IE. TAXES) so that those resources can be used for the benefit of the group.
What you need to be angry and opposed to is misappropriation of the resources you give up, which is what is the problem, not the giving up of resources to the group itself.
@watercup123456 You think being extorted by threats of violence, and people "offering up their resources," are the same thing? You seem to really and truly be incapable of imagining how people could get anything done without a parasitic gang of thieves and control freaks forcibly dominating everyone else. And that makes me wonder, do YOU ever get anything done, when no one is threatening to cage you if you don't do things his way?
@LarkenRose You live in a society, under a government called the united states of america.
You can read all the associated documents for this system of government, which sets up clear reasons and boundaries for collecting and appropriating taxes.
Hence, if you don't pay your fair share like everyone else, well that's criminal, and you should go to jail. You use the roads like everyone else. You use the fire department, you use the police, you use the public schools. That takes taxes. REALITY!
Your entire argument/premise is nothing but a straw man of the usa tax code, which you henceforth attack unsoundly.
Your tiny paranoid world must be truly frightening.
I get plenty done all day long. Given your rhetoric, do you?
It's amazing you are not out there helping with the occupation, those people justly protesting a tax system that benefits the rich and hurts the poor (which where your grievances should be).
Good god, you seriously believe that without a central top-down agency to implement structure, things somehow wouldn't be provided? You're either trolling or out of your mind.
@fountainherz Is THAT the argument now? I do not think Larken's premise here is one of fundamental socialism ;-D
Well, how ELSE are you going to provide things for society? Have it all figured out now eh? Please enlighten us all, and then you can just elect me president cause I have a better plan ;-D
Without a central agency, how on earth will things be provided for society? Who will build the roads? What about mail? There would be NO traffic lights! All order and goods and services will fall into chaos! Chaos, I tell you! Somalia!
Go research anarchistic societies such as the Spaniards, stateless "wild west" america during settlement, Iceland Commonwealth, and Ireland for starters.
first of all 'offer up' is bull shit. pay us or go to jail is the deal.
you can 'offer up' all the resources you want, nobody is stopping you from paying whatever you want to the government. go crazy 'offer up' to your hearts content.
@Uberdoppelganger You are supposed to pay your fair share. If you don't, that's criminal, and you SHOULD go to jail.
You don't like it, MOVE!
You want to live in America, you are offering up part of what you make to everyone else (as everyone else does), as that's how things get done, and you have roads and fire departments and schools asshole. Fucking moron :-D
What you should be angry about is people NOT paying their fair share, and putting it on you the poor who doesn't have it. Dummy!
@watercup123456 No, lots of us "passed" our indoctrination into the completely self-contradictory state-worshiping indoctrination crap known as "civics." But since then, some of us have taken the time to THINK about it, instead of just forever unthinkingly parroting the total BS we were taught, and cheering for our own enslavement and subjugation.
@LarkenRose Great! More straw man and ad hominem attacks!
Do you have any actual *arguments* you would like to present against the present usa tax code, or are you going to continue with the illogical childish nonsense about being "enslaved" while freely making comments from your home computer, both in video and written form, without ANY fear of being watched, or any kind of retaliation? You should feel so lucky hypocrite!. I had to FLEE my country for fear of being imprisoned+tortured again!
@watercup123456 No retaliation for saying what I say? Aside from repeated visits by armed jackboots, being publicly demonized and slandered, robbed blind and bankrupted, and put in a cage for a year--for SAYING stuff? I'm glad that I live somewhere where--so far, at least--they don't just immediately murder dissenters. I'm not so glad to see that you decided to bring the mindless state-worship here, from whatever country you fled. Because gosh, it sounds like it worked so well in your country.
@LarkenRose When you don't pay your taxes, that's what happens DUH! (We've been over this already).
You have to pay your fair share.
No one is coming to your door over what you are saying. That is ludicrous nonsense. If thats what you are claiming, while living in America, you are a liar, or threatened someone, and that is why you were visited.
Your paranoid anti-government anarchist nonsense it exactly that; if you practiced what you preached, you wouldn't be on a computer complaining ;-D
@LarkenRose I love the ridiculous ad homs and straw men. Please keep them up. Yes telling you that you have to pay taxes for the roads you use is now "mindless state worship" ROFL. Shows exactly what you know about me, after I am trying to tell you something important.
How stupid are you? Why don't you make LOGICAL arguments instead of acting and arguing like a child? The epitome of hypocrite, crying on his computer. If you were so worried or actually hunted, you couldn't make such videos ;-D
@LarkenRose So keep giving me the "I'm SO enslaved because I have to pay my fair share or guys with big guns come and take me to a prison that could be a hell of a lot worse in any other country" line of bullshit buddy, you live in america and if you make money, you have to pay taxes. AND! You get to speak out. Or the worst you get, pepper spray, maybe a beatdown? ROFL
The roads aren't free you know, though I know you think you are owed everything and shouldn't have to pay for anything!
People try to speak out where I am from and they are imprisoned, tortured, raped, and murdered.
I was lucky enough to be american educated, have money, speak+write english well, and get asylum. Most are not. But it's not like I can go home either, see my mom, my family. I have to be careful about my identity in real life, what I say. People can't just come and go freely or they could be considered spies.
Also, the Howard Hughes mysteries tie to that same Utah Banking Cult whose prophesied "secret combinations" in the "latter days"... all of his military wealth absconded. Hmm.
contactkim 22 hours ago
Gives RICO (Kennedy 1961 Act) new meaning.
contactkim 22 hours ago
Amazingly, the banking cult that has a secret alliance with the Vatican Banking Cartel has it's church headquarters in Utah, I wonder if it is by accident that our Federal taxes are SENT TO OGDEN UTAH.
contactkim 22 hours ago
You are really funny. Why haven't you made this movie in a bit earlier - when USA "led" the world's economy. They lied to YOU all but YOU all were deaf - cos' they filled YOUR mouth by cars(several in family), cheap gas, granted loans and mortgages, by bulshits about spinning economy. They covered onw interest (military business) by bulshits about speading democracy. Now you got to pay, mates. Who else, only You. So come on, you got a huge portion to do!!! :-) :-)
DucieMan 3 days ago
@DucieMan Sorry, but I have no idea what you're ranting about. Maybe it was lost in the translation. Or maybe it was just an emotion tantrum without any substance to lose. But since you seem to be angry about a video pointing out that theft is bad, I'd like to try to understand what your complaint is.
LarkenRose 2 days ago
Interesting, and for over 100 years this country did not have an income tax. What the Constitution did was allow the government to collect a tax from the sale of goods, which it provided the safe place in which you did your business. I'm not totally disagreeing with you, but how do you propose the government protect the boarders, and property of it's people if it has no way to produce revenue?
It isn't like no one would attack us if our military ceased to exist.
fastaslightning1 4 days ago
@fastaslightning1 Yes, the original power to steal was supposed to be more limited and indirect, but it was still theft (as the video mentions). And to say the state has to steal in order to protect people's property is silly. And yes, it IS like no one would attack us if not for the "government" military. Not only does the military MAKE most of our "enemies," but an armed populace (as the founders knew) is a far better deterrent to invasion than a standing army.
LarkenRose 3 days ago
@LarkenRose I agree our military actions cause many of our enemies, and I am not disputing that.
So an armed populace is enough to keep invasion from modern armies? I am all about limiting government, but I cannot fathom how you would protect against a country like Mexico would would be backed by China in a minute if they thought they would get ahead. How do you propose we support our shores and run an effective navy? I'm not suggesting we attack anyone, just defend our waters.
fastaslightning1 3 days ago
@fastaslightning1 What, exactly, do you think Mexico could do against 100,000,000 armed citizens, even if we did NOTHING to organize or prepare? I believe it was Admiral Yamamoto who, when asked why Japan didn't invade mainland U.S. (California), said that it was because there would be a gun behind every blade of grass. How well are the huge, expensive war machines working right now, against badly armed "insurgents" in the middle east?...
LarkenRose 3 days ago
@LarkenRose Surely you are not suggesting the populace could set up and build it's own submarines, air craft carriers, and destroyers. Are you suggesting this should be a business? If so, I can see the possibility, but what direct benefit would such a company give in times of peace? Would it be funded voluntarily? Charity? You are suggesting that there are enough people scared enough in this country, to donate a portion of their income every year to cover threats even when not at war?
fastaslightning1 3 days ago
@LarkenRose Surely you are not suggesting the populace could set up and build it's own submarines, air craft carriers, and destroyers. Are you suggesting this should be a business? If so, I can see the possibility, but what direct benefit would such a company give in times of peace? Would it be funded voluntarily? Charity? You are suggesting that there are enough people scared enough in this country, to donate a portion of their income every year to cover threats even when not at war?
fastaslightning1 3 days ago
@fastaslightning1 Giant war machines are mostly good at fighting other giant war machines. They're remarkably inefficient at defense, and even at invading and occupying a place populated by armed citizens. Normal folks with guns works quite well, as demonstrated in Switzerland. You ask how to fight a tank? Wait until the guy gets out of it, and shoot him. A standing army is an excuse to enslave us, not a means to keep us free. The founders knew this, and preferred a militia.
LarkenRose 3 days ago
@LarkenRose Yeah, tell the armed citizens in Iraq they stopped us.
The guy doesn't get out where he is vulnerable, he stays in until he is in his stronghold.
Guerrilla warfare is by far some of the most effective no doubt, what you are suggesting is highly simplistic.
fastaslightning1 3 days ago
@fastaslightning1 Sorry if this offends the flag-wavers, but the "insurgents" in Iraq didn't lose. Same in Vietnam. Armed residents, even with mediocre firearms, even if they're a small minority of the population, can be almost impossible to conquer. After many years, and billions of dollars spent, lots of huge war machines used, what happened in Vietnam? Or Iraq? Or Afghanistan (attacked by two opposing superpowers)? And gun owners here have better guns, and know a lot more about using them.
LarkenRose 3 days ago 7
@LarkenRose ouch you just beat me up with sense!
vancerz 3 days ago
@LarkenRose I'm basically agreeing with you, but there is no doubt that the Spartans were conquered by a large invading army. The Germanic tribes were as well by the Huns.
Your assertion that the smaller force successfully defended is a complete farce. The Huns did such an amazing job of ransacking a free world, that Baghdad has not recovered in the 1000 years since. I'm aware of the pitfalls of a large military force at home, but the controlling force in the US is the Constitution.
fastaslightning1 3 days ago
@LarkenRose That document if followed is a limiting factor. I'm not suggesting that RP is the savior, but if government was run as he suggests, as it was intended it is too weak to oppress it's own people. It needed a proclamation by the Congress. This is how it is smart. The problem is that we have violated it completely, to no real recourse.
I'm not saying it will change, but at least give it a chance to change. At least try to elect someone different before you say it cannot be done.
fastaslightning1 3 days ago
@fastaslightning1 Give it a chance to change?? The Constitution has had over two CENTURIES of completely failing to limit the "government" it pretended to create. How much more time do you want to give it? People have been "working within the system" to try to achieve freedom forever, and it never, ever works. How much longer should we put up with tyranny, hoping that this time it will magically work?
LarkenRose 3 days ago
@LarkenRose An armed populace is a great deterrent to violent crimes, and even in idea the government, but truthfully, what exactly is an armed populace going to do against an M1 Abrams, or the Chinese equivalent?
War has come to many a peaceful society who could not defend itself, it is why many societies that want to stay peaceful are vigilant in having the entire population trained in modern war tactics.
I guess I'm not seeing how we stay free with essentially no military for even our defense
fastaslightning1 3 days ago
@fastaslightning1 One last thing: the most efficient form of defense against invasion by foreign tyrants is something most "modern" "governments" specifically condemn: assassinating "leaders." The tyrants having a running agreement that they will have their pawns slaughter each other, while leaving both sets of tyrants unharmed. Hell with that. If some tyrant orders an invasion of your home town, hire an assassin to kill the bastard. It's relatively cheap, and saves lives on both sides.
LarkenRose 3 days ago
Modern day Lysander Spooner.
tedmcfadden 2 weeks ago
@tedmcfadden Spooner FTW! No treason is an AMAZING essay!
Germantunedcars 1 week ago
@Germantunedcars The fact that Lysander published "No Treason" so long ago, and self-described freedom advocates still treat the Constitution like divine gospel, shows the effectiveness of statist propaganda. Well, maybe in another hundred years, everyone will understand what Lysander said over a hundred years ago.
LarkenRose 4 days ago
ucc1 code. when capturing strawman...you are then out of jurisdiction for collection
SeraphBuchanan777 2 weeks ago
More accurately, the government doesn't rob us. By law they own all of our production. We only take home what they give us.
wpw232 3 weeks ago
@wpw232 if I write on a paper that you owe me 200 dollars a month, is it ok for me to coercively take it and call it a "law"? Because that's what you saying, that "might makes right" and some writings on paper can be law, even when you disagree with it. So yah, think about it.
MaikUniversum 2 weeks ago
@MaikUniversum I didn't say that all. And I dont support taxation. I was just pointing out the even more depressing reality of income tax. At the end of every year the government tells us how much we can keep not how much they will take. After all, in their view, it's theirs. Frank Chodorov: "Taxation the root of all evil"
wpw232 2 weeks ago 2
@MaikUniversum "The state is saying to its citizens, you're earnings are not exclusively your own. We, the state, have a claim on them and our claim precedes yours. We will allow to keep some of it, because we recognize your need but not your right. But whatever we grant for you is for us to decide. Your income is ours, We have nationalized your income." They have not stolen anything per say, what they have done is reappoint citizens as slaves. It's a more depressing reality than anything.
wpw232 2 weeks ago 7
119 IRS thugs came to see a tutorial and got a bit of painful reality.
meberic 3 weeks ago
In other tax news,
Bank Of America Dumps *$75 Trillion* In Derivatives On U.S. Taxpayers With Federal Approval:
tinyurl DOT com/3d3s3ja
watch?v=N3NhWlGvIlE
The plan steadily moves along...
Crony capitalism is alive and well in America. No amount of legislation will ever protect savers, taxpayers or the American people. Profits will continue to be privatized & losses socialized.
rg2027x 1 month ago
The closer you get to the truth, the more venomous your detractors will become, resorting to any dirty trick in the book to discredit you and the facts you present. Especially shills of the $paid to-type variety. It is 1 thing to have differing opinions on any given subject. It is quite another to resort to logical fallacies, insinuation, name calling, and dirty tricks to make yourself and/or your opinion appear more valid than someone elses.
rg2027x 1 month ago 3
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No one more spoiled than rich fat white americans who complain that they have to give up just a little bit because they don't get it for free ;-D
watercup123456 1 month ago
A very good, commonsense-based video. I actually view this form of taxation robbery from a different perspective. Let's say that the tax rate is running at 25%, you work for 40 years, which will then dictate that you had to sacrifice 10 years of your life just to pay that tax bill. They're literally stealing years of our lives from us, all for the benefit of the self-proclaimed "elite" who know every tax dodge in the book.
WolfTeilahr1 1 month ago
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@WolfTeilahr1 You went to work driving on the road all those years you worked right? ;-D
Your kids went to school for those years you worked?
You called the police and fire department when you needed it all those years.
You used public services. bought gasoline, went to the hospital, etc., all those years you worked.
That 25% you paid is what pays for those free services you enjoy that allowed you to be able to buy gasoline and go to work you stupid asshole, taxes are not theft :-D
watercup123456 1 month ago
@watercup123456 yeah, but i am only forced to work because a gang of thugs stole our land and now forces us to labor for money to survive on it. People did not ever want to be depended wage slaves... it was forced on them.
Your problem is that you are an indoctrinated freak with not a very good idea of true history.
bryphi77 1 month ago
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@bryphi77 You are only forced to work because.....?
You mean you wouldn't have to work otherwise because all this money would just have been handed to you had it not been apparently stolen by some non-existent group of thugs you dreamed up?
You are so fucking stupid it's pathetic.
Oh you mean forced to work like those africans and native americans you enslaved and pushed off of their land and murdered by the millions?
You are SO full of it. OMFG please learn facts and history K redneck? :-D
watercup123456 1 month ago
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@WolfTeilahr1 The taxes go back to YOU in social services you need and use, like the roads, schools, and fire dept!
WHO IS *THEY* you lunatic?? WHO are these "elites" you speak of!?
You are just a crazy stupid loser who is complaining that you have to pay your taxes, you want EVERYONE ELSE to pay for the services YOU USE. You just want it free. Too bad asshat there is no free lunch ;-D
If *THEY* the "elites" you can't name are tax dodging, thats a legit grievance, not taxes in general though.
watercup123456 1 month ago
@watercup123456 You silly...silly man....your taxes go to pay the interest on the national debt. I am sorry but....these "services" could be handled by the private sector.
noudo25 1 month ago
@noudo25 The private sector, ie corporations, can't do shit except sell you poison while robbing you blind, making sure they pay nothing in taxes and you foot the bill for them.
Only some of your tax dollars go to paying the interest on the national debt. Most is broken up between defense spending and medicare/medicaid. OOPS facts ;-D
watercup123456 1 month ago
One of the dumbest videos I have sat through.
parasitesarefunny 1 month ago
Did you say "your land" ? wake up who's the retard ?
metapatriot 1 month ago
Larken I believe your barking up the wrong piece of paper buddy the paper your having a problem with is the 16th amendment The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment.and that was 90 years ago in 1913 that was a bad year that was the year the income tax The IRS and the federal reserve all came into being basicly the begining of the end of our little experiment.
metapatriot 1 month ago
@metapatriot That was the income tax... but they had "the right" to tax your land from the beginning.
If you think that piece of paper has any jurisdiction over your life... You are a brainwashed retard.
bryphi77 1 month ago 5
@metapatriot At the risk of getting caught up in the politicians' "legalese" BS, the 16th Amendment did not even pretend to create any new taxing power. (See Stanton v. Baltic Mining, Peck v. Lowe, Evans v. Gore, and Brushaber v. Union Pacific, among others.) Aside from supposed technical limitations on the imagined power to steal, Article I, Section 8, Clause 1 is the epitome of insanity. Aside from details, it claims someone has the right to rob someone else.
LarkenRose 1 month ago
@LarkenRose I concur on your view point in fact I am scheduled to face the IRS myself in two weeks, but what really gets to me is the fact that a lot of the money they are stealing is going for the purposes of crimes against humanity and killing thousands of people so at least by acknowledging it is theft maybe it bears some consolation on our souls. not that I'm religious,no they actually endorse this sort of thing.
metapatriot 1 month ago
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@LarkenRose Taxation by the government is not robbery. That is a straw man.
Everyone voted for taxation, because public services, roads, schools, and fire departments are a *good* thing. That's why they are there.
You use these services and have to pay for them. You are an idiot and just want everything free. If you don't want these services or want to pay for them, move out of the usa to the woods where there are no roads, hospitals, schools, or electricity, and you can live in a shithole :-D
watercup123456 1 month ago
@LarkenRose What it did was allow the Federal Government to keep the "Direct Taxes" they collected. Prior to this they had to dole (apportion) "direct taxes" back to the states according to their populations. That was a poor idea. It allowed the federal government to blossom to its present truly stupendous size.
TheOcculus 1 month ago
@TheOcculus That poor idea is the 16th amendment.
TheOcculus 1 month ago
@TheOcculus Actually, the 16th Amendment didn't do that either. According to the Supreme Court in Stanton v. Baltic Mining, it was to prevent "the power of income taxation possessed by Congress from the beginning from being taken out of the category of indirect taxation to which it inherently belonged." It didn't create the power to tax, or expand, though it was intended to SEEM like it did.
LarkenRose 1 month ago
This Claus Was Meant To Tax And Regulate Commerce And Thats All. It has nothing to do with personal income tax.
CP91311 1 month ago
No...what you said was about charitable giving...What about the rest of the issue...What about the ones who want others to carry their part of the responsibility for the things that they make use of. And what about the fact that charitable giving in this culture has never really carried the destitute without some form of taxation. The giving premise worked in Native cultures...but this is DEFINITELY not a giveaway culture. Some do...but... too many won't and not because they can't.
ancestralblue 1 month ago
@ancestralblue Allow me to say what you didn't say, but what you meant. "I don't trust people to give what they should, so men with guns should force them to give as much as I think they should." Stop speaking in euphemisms and vague evasions. State, bluntly and accurately, what you advocate. If it sounds bad when you state it bluntly, maybe it's because it IS bad. (P.S. The American people give huge sums to charity, even after the state robs them.)
LarkenRose 1 month ago 2
@LarkenRose What I said has NOTHING to do with being a "euphemism". And that's about as blunt as I can be...It's not about how it sounds...Sorry that offends you... I did not advocate the use of guns to get you to give what you should...Nor do I advocate the tax system as it is right now...But the fact is that in this world some form of taxation is a necessity and it has to be spread evenly and not carried by the few. Do I not trust them to give?...you bet.
ancestralblue 1 month ago
@ancestralblue lol doublespeak at its finest... I don't advocate violence, I just advocate violence :D hahahha you are retarded.
MaikUniversum 2 weeks ago
Well thought out and put together. I believe that what they meant as taxes in those days was different than the tribute we pay today.
Their concept was to collect a transaction fee on business done with foreigners for the most part. I think that sort of transaction is generally considered as appropriate for the added value.
The income tax, actually tribute and never ratified, required a constitutional amendment because everyone knew it exceeded the powers envisioned by our founders.
CNN911Fakes 1 month ago 3
There was an eccentric pawn shop owner here in town that did not believe in paying his taxes to the city. Every so often they would raid his store and take merchandise for non payment of back taxes, so it looks like you are right on target.
maynardcat 1 month ago
Love it! Yes, the "American Revolution" simply substituted one ruling class for another. And the constitution was first violated by President Washington, when he used Federal Troops against civilians to quell the Whiskey Rebellion of 1794, and force the payment of the unfair "luxury tax" on whiskey distillers. (google it)
What's truly ironic is that ALL Federal Income taxes now go to NOTHING BUT PAYING THE FEDERAL RESERVE for the loan of what was our money in the first place.
Cute game.
nameofthepen 1 month ago
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@nameofthepen “None of our federal taxes goes to roads, to the poor, or any other thing you mentioned. “
Actually, yes they do, and you are lying if you say otherwise.
Taxes do not only go to FED interest, actually very little of it does.
Most of the federal budget is defense spending, and then medicare/Medicaid (ie, healthcare for the poor and elderly.)
You are a liar and have no clue what you are babbling about
watercup123456 1 month ago
@watercup123456 - Love it when someone accuses me of his own shortcomings.
What do you think the phrase "national debt" means? The sick gubmint of the USSA votes every year to RAISE the debt level (credit limit), Then, they borrow money from the Fed to spend on those things. Google is your friend, buddy.
They dipped into the SS fund and pilfered it dry long ago. Duh!
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@nameofthepen You have no fucking clue how the economy works :-D
Yes GOOGLE is your friend, liars like alex jones and our friend larken here are not ;-D
So what if you raise the debt limit? That doesn't mean anything really. Borrowing from the FED is another issue.
None of this has ANYTHING to do with what larken, or you, or any of you crazy anarchist tax cheats have been babbling about. It's more smoke and mirrors.
Pay your fucking taxes you stupid shit brain :-D
watercup123456 1 month ago
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@nameofthepen If government has been robbing from social security, what does that have to do with you paying your taxes (which IS NOT social security) or paying into social security?
You should be angry people in business are trying to steal from your investment (social security).
But you are a crazy stupid asshole who doesn't understand how social security works.
Again the whole issue is MISMANAGEMENT not the fact you pay taxes in the first place.
You people are SO fucking dumb ;-D
watercup123456 1 month ago
@nameofthepen I'm not even going to answer this rude ignoramus. Another sad attention seeker who's ego dwarfs his IQ. The facts are the facts, whether he can accept them or not. Larkenrose is 100% correct in what he says. Thanks for sharing the video, n0m.
WolfTeilahr1 1 month ago
@WolfTeilahr1 - Yeah, the TROLL calling himself @watercup123456 is exactly that.
All farts, no facts.
nameofthepen 1 month ago
@nameofthepen "All farts, no facts."
ROFL !!! Amen to that, n0m$ter :).
WolfTeilahr1 1 month ago
@nameofthepen Shill is frightened of its precious govcorp system collapsing if people don't pay taxes :) Poor thing! This video REALLY got under its skin. If there was nothing to the info, why bother? Instead its obsessed with convincing people taxation without representation is necessary & in their best interest. Look at it so desperately lashing out here..for months! What kind of person does that..defends *taxes* (of all things) like their life depends on it...I think we know :)
rg2027x 1 month ago
@rg2027x - You got it! YouTube is FULL of paid disinfo lackeys, and that's not "conspiracy theory", it's fact. They each have their assigned videos/subjects, and they have trainers, and handlers, etc.
And speaking of "income tax", guess who funds these PSYOPS against us? /watch?v=zZXFK8z9WXo
nameofthepen 1 month ago 2
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@nameofthepen Absolutely :) Glad you brought it up. It is well known that govts & intelligence agencies employ rent-a-trolls to post on blogs, chatrooms, internet forums+ YouTube. They don't like people speaking out publically about their activities & agenda.
watch?v=VpVUYGcgtjw
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Govt offering private corporations contracts to create software to manage "fake people" on social media sites. to create the *illusion of consensus* on controversial issues:
tinyurl DOT com/63gpdst
rg2027x 1 month ago 3
@rg2027x "flagged as spam" gee who did that?
hard2start427 1 month ago
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@hard2start427 I did. Because IT IS spam. :-D
Fucking morons.
Disinfo cointel pro ROFL.
No just a smart person who knows logic, facts, and history, and has ACTUALLY read the constitution and bill of rights.
Oh, and can nail redneck hillbillies to the cross when they spew ridiculous anti-government, anti-tax drivel.
Get some REAL arguments against the evils of the establishment. Jesus christ already what a bunch of complaining loons.
watercup123456 1 month ago
@watercup123456 "I did. Because IT IS spam"
You did it because you don't want casual readers seeing information that exposes you.
It's not spam its 100% related to discussion.
It's "spam" to dubious creature like you, because it's incriminating to your "activities."
What to do? You can't debate it. Or accuse "conspiracy!" because the proof is right there. All you can do is desperately bury the comment "spam" in hopes no one views it
Anyone with a mind sees right through you.
rg2027x 1 month ago 3
@rg2027x How are you "exposing" me? ROFL
You are so paranoid and crazy its hilarious.
It is spam.
Stop spamming.
You are a trolling spammer, now get the fuck off youtube.
God what a fucking loser :-D
You don't have a mind, and you are blind ;-D
watercup123456 1 month ago
@watercup123456 It wasn't "spam." What you did was censorship. You don't want people viewing the info. If it wasn't detremental to your mission here you wouldn't care. Your motives couldn't be more obvious.
Not "paranoid" but being AWARE. There's a difference.
People have every right to be suspicious of rabid establishment shills in all your disinfo tactics & smearing. Yes those programs exist. That is fact & reality, not "paranoid" as you'd like to trick people to believe.
rg2027x 1 month ago
@rg2027x The message I marked, you didn't post any information.
You are spamming the internet and wasting precious resources.
Stop it.
You are paranoid, not aware. You are not aware of anything. You probably don't even think AGW is real. How are you to claim you are aware when you don't even see how corps are robbing you blind and shitting in your backyard while selling you poison?
There are no disinfo shills. You are fucking crazy. The gov is too busy bombing black and brown people retard.
watercup123456 1 month ago
@watercup123456 "The message I marked, you didn't post any information"
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False & a lie.
I in fact contributed relevant info on govts employing paid trolls to post on YouTube posing as regular users in support of agendas
You flagged this comment "spam" within minutes in a panic. quick!
If it wasn't threat to your presence here, why bother? why not leave for all to see to warn people. But you felt desperate need to hide it so no one could view. Not difficult to figure why : )
rg2027x 1 month ago
@watercup123456 "You probably don't even think AGW is real"
LMAO!
If the government told you Santa Claus was real, you'd unquestionably believe them.
You do believe in Santa Claus right? It is a fairy tale after all..
rg2027x 1 month ago
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@watercup123456 "There are no disinfo shills. You are fucking crazy"
This a troll post or what?
rg2027x 1 month ago 2
@rg2027x The programs that exist are giant data gathering centers that make a file on you and put all the online stuff you do into it. Where you go, what you watch, what you buy, what you dl, what you type, but no one is looking at the data unless they *absolutely* need to, there is WAY too much data and info, not to mention way too many people to track, they simply don't have the manpower and personnel to sift through YOU to know about YOU (unless YOU blow something up ;-D and cops need access)
watercup123456 1 month ago
@rg2027x Now do I agree with these giant data gathering centers, and other constitution and bill of rights trampling programs, laws, policy, or the encroaching police state?
I think we can clearly see how I feel about such things ;-D
You gotta get out there, and you have to protest. You have to vote in reps that do a good job and aren't just concerned about corporate interests. And you can even get yourself elected.
It's paranoid to think they are after you unless you ARE a criminal ;-D
watercup123456 1 month ago
@rg2027x Months? Its like a week buddy :-D
I love your lies and distortions :-D
Does it make you feel better?
Funny... You keep responding. Like everything depends on it ;-D
ROFL
What a loon.
watercup123456 1 month ago
@watercup123456 Your comment history goes back farther than "like a week"
"Funny... You keep responding"
As you do exactly that.LOL
only to namecall, flag relevant comments "spam" & provide nothing of substance. What a waste of time! Your "life" must be meaningless
This video has you all hot & bothered, lashing out, swearing :) I love it. Really got under your skin. Enough for you to lose control and lash out at strangers over the internet. Does it make you feel better?
rg2027x 1 month ago
@rg2027x ROFL ok keep on keeping on kid.
I only flagged one of your spam comments. Someone else spammed the rest. Oh well :-D
Yep I will call fucking liars fucking liars sorry loser I call em as I see em :-D
Yep I'm SO hot and bothered laughing my ass off at you asshats that's right whatever makes you sleep at night and helps that burning feeling inside.
Ah projection. I love you Freud, you cokehead you :-D
watercup123456 1 month ago
@watercup123456 "that's right whatever makes you sleep at night and helps that burning feeling inside"
Sounds like a personal problem.
The fact you flagged any comment "spam" speaks volumes of your intentions. You abuse the comment system. Everyone's comments should be seen for sake of freedom of speech. Yet to you, certain information 100% relevant to the discussion must be silenced & buried. Only a shill with ulterior motive would do that. Keep cursing away it's all you got.
rg2027x 1 month ago
@rg2027x Funny how "watercup" does his attempt at censorship here. State-worshiping delusions such as his get plenty of air time in the mainstream, but I'm still happy to have his lunacy displayed here, so rational people can get a first-hand look at the psychological effects of statism. How ironic that on my channel, he wants to censor you, while I don't censor him. But that's in keeping with statists' control-freakism. If he didn't want his views forced on us, he'd be on our side.
LarkenRose 1 month ago
@LarkenRose OMFG you are so pathetic it's ridiculous :-D
watercup123456 1 month ago
@rg2027x Yep I WILL keep calling a proven fucking liar a fucking liar ;-D
Its what you are ;-D
Keep crying to mommy about it. ROFL what a fucking baby. OOOOHHH he swore! He's cussing! OOOH mommy mommy make it stop! ROFL. What a fucking loon.
YOU have nothing but to say I swear. Yeah, I called you a fucking liar. It's true, you ARE a fucking liar. A BIG one too. You are completely ignorant of history, and what's worse, you lie about history
What is your ulterior motive for lying I wonder? ;-D
watercup123456 1 month ago
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@watercup123456 "what's worse, you lie about history"
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What history have a lied about, specifically?
You accused me of lying about history. Back up your claims.
"Yeah, I called you a fucking liar. It's true, you ARE a fucking liar. A BIG one too. "
What have a lied about specifically?
You can't even back up your slander & false accusations.
"OOOOHHH he swore! He's cussing! OOOH mommy mommy make it stop! ROFL. What a fucking loon."
Do you read what you type?
rg2027x 1 month ago
@watercup123456 "I WILL keep calling a proven fucking liar a fucking liar"
You have done nothing to "prove" I'm lying about anything
In fact your "response" to anything I post is to regurgitate I'm "lying". Without ever citing these "facts" you claim you "raped me with", only typing your "What a fucking loon" "fucking liar" "vapid, ignorant fuck" "lying trolling criminal garbage" "fucking baby" "Holy fuck you are SO fucking stupid" "fucking loser"
See how ridiculous you look?
rg2027x 1 month ago
Thanks for this. Right On!
I came to realize this years ago.. I call it: "The Divine Right of 'CUZ I SAID SO"! (it's always good to throw God in there - makes it sound more 'official').
The church and British Monarchy have been doing this for centuries! (fools the people all the time). The American government is no different.. 'CUZ WE SAID SO! (and generation after generation have to obey us).
Read 'The Constitution of No Authority' by Lysander Spooner (re: generational bogus 'Contract').
ForeignPerson1 1 month ago
What else is new? Use our tax dollars for nefarious purposes like bailing out the criminal banks, paying for murderous wars that kill millions & propping up puppet governments (otherwise known as “aid”). Then privatize profits that come from these “investments” in the fascist corporations that feed on the resources and contracts that become available (pre-planned) from these scenarios.
We are tired of being economically-raped & pillaged to pay for all this garbage that does none of us any good!
rg2027x 1 month ago 13
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@rg2027x Mismanagement of tax money is a lot different from claiming any particular kind of government shouldn't collect any taxes period.
Mismanagement of tax money is a legitimate grievance and should be brought up within the system and fixed.
These crazy loons want to do away with the system and live like cannibal rapists in the woods.
watercup123456 1 month ago
@watercup123456
"These crazy loons want to do away with the system"
What's it to you
rg2027x 1 month ago 2
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@rg2027x That your a raping murderer, that's what.
watercup123456 1 month ago
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@watercup123456 "That your a raping murderer, that's what."
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LOL! Worthless namecaller shill is worthless. and getting desperate..: ) as it reveals its true colors. Dumb insults are the next step in any lost debate on "Youtube."
You accuse rape, as you spend months here, hiding in a computer venemously defending a criminals tax system that pillages & rapes citizens like your life depends on it. Guilty conscience much?
rg2027x 1 month ago 4
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@rg2027x You said you want no society, no government, and total anarchy.
So you are a rapist and a murderer, as that is what an anarchist who wants no society, no government, and no rule of law wants.
You just want to be able to run wild, rob, rape, and pillage, without worry of the "guys with big guns" who come to stop you. OH BOO HOO WOE IS YOU.
You are one sick, evil, vile, dumb piece of worthless shit.
And a tax cheat. And a shill. And a troll.
And a liar.
Get better material loser :-D
watercup123456 1 month ago
@watercup123456 "You said you want no society, no government, and total anarchy"
? I never "said" any of that. You are avoiding the issue with disinformation tactics. Sidetrack opponents with name calling & ridicule. Also known as the primary attack the messenger ploy. Associate opponents with unpopular titles such as “rapist”, “tax cheat“ "conspiracy buff" & so forth. This makes others shrink from support out of fear of gaining the same label, and you avoid dealing with issues.
rg2027x 1 month ago
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@rg2027x Yes you did say that. You are a liar and a bullshit artist.
You are a disinfo agent and a crazy fuckhead.
I call you names and ridicule you because *you deserve it*, you are a crazy, lying, vapid troll :-D
You ARE a rapist, criminal, and a tax cheat, conspiracy lunatic, and so forth you stupid fuck. God you are thick!
Issues? What issues? YOU are the one WITH the issues! You want anarchy and you think taxes are theft, which makes you automatically fucking crazy. Bye nice day loser!
watercup123456 1 month ago
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@watercup123456 "Yes you did say that"
Quote where I said that. You can't
"You are a liar and a bullshit artist."
You are projecting again, agent.
"You ARE a rapist, criminal, and a tax cheat, conspiracy lunatic, and so forth you stupid fuck. God you are thick!"
LOL! listen to this tax shill. spewing its disinfo bull
"which makes you automatically fucking crazy. Bye nice day loser!"
You spend months here defending taxes. Who does that? Only a paid agent or total loser.
rg2027x 1 month ago
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@rg2027x The tax system isn't pillaging or raping citizens you fucking liar.
How fucking stupid are you? Do you have any comments that aren't total lies and worthless fallacies? Anything that isn't some generalization of some horseshit conspiracy? Didn't think so ;-D
That's why your vapid comment is spam ;-D
Get better lies. This is WAY TOO EASY :-D
watercup123456 1 month ago
@watercup123456 I love it when nerves are struck : ) Look at you flailing away. Hiding behind your computer typing 12/yo cursing you'd never have courage to say to someones face in person.
Who in their right mind would support anything those criminals do. Disinfo for fun? Who likes being taxed, much less spends months of their life in a forum excusing it.
You have to be a blind hopeless fool or paid govt shill to so feverishly defend this shit. I wonder which one you are?
rg2027x 1 month ago 2
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@rg2027x I find it much more hilarious for a lying hypocrite to be complaining about paying taxes and wanting to do away with taxes, complaining that it is theft, slavery, yadda yadda, all the while typing away on a machine called a computer developed with your tax dollars, the idea thought up thanks to tax dollars. The internet you complain on, only possible with tax dollars.
You wouldn't be able to complain to me with your bullshit if it were not for those taxes you cheat on you know :-D
watercup123456 1 month ago
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@rg2027x Nerves? Flailing?
Freud would call that projection ;-D
I'd have plenty to say to you in person. You'd really have it then :-D
YOU are the criminal remember ;-D
No one likes being taxed of course, that's not the point loser. No one likes wiping their asshole either. Or eating the untasty food they know is healthy for them that they need.
You need roads, and taxes pay for them.
You are so blind and crazy it's pointless to even try to get you to comprehend basic reality :-D
watercup123456 1 month ago
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@watercup123456 "I'd have plenty to say to you in person. You'd really have it then"
Are you threatening me?
"No one likes being taxed of course"
But some questionable tools like spending months here defending being taxed & assaulting anyone who disagrees.
"You are so blind and crazy it's pointless to even try to get you to comprehend basic reality"
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Odd, from a dubious tax apologist who wants people to believe that government representatives care about their grievances.
rg2027x 1 month ago
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@rg2027x "Are you threatening me?"
I was pretty sure YOU threatened ME? Or didn't you read what you wrote ;-D ?
"But some questionable tools like spending months here defending being taxed & assaulting anyone who disagrees."
Coherency is a problem for you, yes? You know, english is not my first language, what is your problem? ROFL
"Odd, from a dubious tax apologist who wants people to believe that government representatives care about their grievances."
Apologist? You are a criminal, moron
watercup123456 1 month ago
@rg2027x I didn't flag this one as spam, but thanks to whoever did :-D
Funny how you complain ron paul isn't of the people when I bring out someone who I would say definitely IS for the people, and no one could really disagree on that point (and to be honest I don't really like ron paul at all and think a lot of his ideas are nuts :-D ).
Man I thought right wingers are stupid. You anarchist criminal tax cheats are REALLY fucking stupid :-D
watercup123456 1 month ago
@watercup123456 You brought up "Ron Paul" out of nowhere as diversion. A platform to launch your dumb insults, nothing more.
You claim he's "definitely IS for the people." Name 1 thing hes changed for the better, for the people. No politician is for the people. Yet a weird tax apologist like you wants us to believe govt "reps" care about peoples grievances. LOL! And look at you flailing. all you got are false accusations, slander. No facts, nothing substantial. What a tool
rg2027x 1 month ago
You sound like you hate the Constitution and what it stands for.
You of all people should know taxation was different before 1913 with the 16th amendment.
The young United States needed taxes for the military and other things laid out in the Constitution and was collected more fairly.
The tax collection since 1913 is criminal.
ta2dave 1 month ago
@ta2dave The Constitution sought to create a ruling class, with the right to steal and forcibly dominate. (Read Article I, Section 8.) The fact that it was supposed to steal and dominate only in a specific, "limited" manner, doesn't change what it is. I don't want a nice, "limited" slave-master, as the Constitution describes. I want freedom. The best thing the founders ever did (by accident) was to prove that "limited government" is a lie.
LarkenRose 1 month ago
@LarkenRose
And the new powers being written into law, namely SB 1867, would allow U.S. military to detain and murder anti-government protesters in American cities
That means peaceful people such as the maker of this video would be rounded upand slaughtered.
It's that serious folks.
batfly 1 month ago
Wow...Just excellent! The masses of asses
kingsfamily4jc 1 month ago
Violence never solves anything it only makes things worse.
When you force someone to do ANYTHING it is evil and immoral and highly counterproductive.
DiabloUniverse 2 months ago
So who you ask... would pay for the roads, and downed power lines in a free society?
Slavery is a bad thing right? well at the time of slavery in America they only had slaves to pick the cotton.
Once you begin to see what government is, (slavery) you see very quickly just how ridiculous those questions are.
Without slaves they found a way to pick the cotton, and without force we can find a way to maintain the roads other than stealing money to subsidize it.
DiabloUniverse 2 months ago 2
EVERYBODY MUST READ THIS POST CAUSE HALF OF THE COMMENTATORS ARE EGOTISTICAL MATERIALISTIC ASSHOLES
we need taxes to pay for downed electrical lines, new roads, and schools, but the government goes to far when they take out hard earned money and spends it on things we dont approve on, a small group of less then 1% of the population sure ass hell shouldnt be ruling the entire unites states, its corrupt we need control, votes should come from all citizens not a group less then 1% of U.S people
lakelandism 2 months ago
@lakelandism So you want your money going to things you think are good and useful, and not going to things you think are bad and destructive? Well, duh. There's a way to have that. It's called freedom. (It's also called "anarchy.") And for the things you WANT, why would you need to be FORCED (via "taxation") to pay for them? How about a voluntary society, where you pay for what you want, and get what you pay for? Watch my other video, "Let's Make a Deal."
LarkenRose 2 months ago 4
@LarkenRose Anarchy, by definition, is no government.
Anarchy is not freedom and is not synonymous with freedom. It is simply no government.
The idea that anarchy equates to freedom is the kind of nonsensical idea you'd find among 15 year old's in high school saying to each other "Yeah anarchy!" while smoking weed and ditching class :-D
There is no society in anarchy, that's the whole point.
You are not forced via taxation. This has been debunked already. Your straw men are ridiculous.
watercup123456 2 months ago
@LarkenRose Larken... I get your point and most of us resent taxes that go to the military, the politicians pockets and pork barrel projects...There, unfortunately, there are more than a few people who will allow others to carry the load when it comes to the roads they ride on, the poor and handicapped in their community and anything else that represents a public project that benefits them but they don't kick in to it.
ancestralblue 1 month ago
@ancestralblue - None of our federal taxes goes to roads, to the poor, or any other thing you mentioned. ALL taxes go only to paying interest to our own money, which was loaned back to us by the illegal Fed Reserve.
Any food stamps, road maintenance, etc., is handled by the states themselves, OR by borrowing MORE of our own money from the Fed.
And, the charity and goodwill of decent people is, and always has been, the most reliable and abundant succor to the truly needy.
nameofthepen 1 month ago
@nameofthepen Yes... I think I mentioned that many taxes go to junk...I get it about the Federal Reserve and such. But I know first hand how people will walk right by somebody who's begging. And whether it's animal or human, the "not my problem" attitude rules far too many. For every person who will stop and give to someone in need...there are many more who won't. Unfortunately the charity and good will of decent people is left to be provided by far too few.
ancestralblue 1 month ago
@ancestralblue - Yes, not everyone has an equally charitable nature.
However, do you consider that I should be robbed at gunpoint so that YOUR idea of MY "moral/spiritual duty to my fellow humans" be fulfilled?
Communism never functions as charity, no matter how much drivel they spout to the contrary.
nameofthepen 1 month ago
@nameofthepen No...I don't think that ANYTHING done at gunpoint is valid or correct...But reality is that there are far too many that look for a way to contribute to nothing. Not to the poor...not to the upkeep of the roads that they ride on...not to their own upkeep and even their own health. How long before you get ticked off that you pay for the infrastructure that you and they use, but, only you and a select group of others get to fund the very things that all use.
ancestralblue 1 month ago
@ancestralblue - that's exactly the way it is now. What's your point?
nameofthepen 1 month ago
@nameofthepen What's the answer to the ones who want use what's available without any contribution? The ones who care not for anyone or anything else but themselves whether they're rich or middle class... Is that acceptable? And do you want to put out what they should be putting out?
ancestralblue 1 month ago
@ancestralblue - You cite hypothetical generalities, using emotion-laden phrases like "the poor and handicapped", "the ones who care not for anyone but themselves", "rich", "walk right past someone who is begging", etc.
Then, apparently, you're saying that in hopes of forcing these so-called selfish people to pay up what YOU think they morally owe to others, we all should be terrorized and robbed equally by a rogue gubmint to see it gets done?
nameofthepen 1 month ago
@nameofthepen No that's NOT what I said...I asked you do you want to put out for those who make use of infrastructure but want you to carry the responsibility for it?. You have not answered that. And also if there are not enough"charitable" givers to address the needs of the destitute, what should be done? Read it again.
ancestralblue 1 month ago
@ancestralblue - and I have already answered both of those in earlier comments.
As far as fair contribution to, and use of, infrastructure goes, you should research how the Golden Gate Bridge was conceived, funded, and is still maintained. I'll give you a hint: it was NOT by the "gubmint".
nameofthepen 1 month ago
@ancestralblue EVERYTHING the "government" does it does via threats, backed by guys with guns who will do harm to the disobedient. You know it's true, even though you were trained not to look at it that way. So let me ask you directly, do YOU advocate that I be forced to fund things YOU want, but that I think are immoral and destructive? (I ask statists this all the time, and almost never get an answer.)
LarkenRose 1 month ago 3
@LarkenRose You dont get an answer cause there is no rational answer...
The constitution was considered the original patriot act by 90% of the population when it was ratified. Yet it was still jammed down the masses throat at gun point so that a few statist, land owners, and industrialists could live like kings off of the forced labor and taxation of the masses.
It took years to indoctrinate the weak minded to beleive that taxation, wage slavery and dependence was a good thing.
bryphi77 1 month ago
@LarkenRose Feeding people is NEVER immoral...Any sacred text will tell you that...But of course people who reject helping anybody don't care about such things and way too often there are not enough "good samaritans" out there. The reason that you go unanswered is more than likely that they choose not to respond to your bully attitude. You resent intimidation, but you seek to intimidate. Stuck in the left brain and beast mind.
ancestralblue 1 month ago
@ancestralblue If you don't support using men with guns, what DO you advocate be done to those who don't pay "taxes"? You speak of giving and feeding people, pretend to be charitable, while conveniently not mentioning the violence that all "governments" use to collect taxes. Mass extortion is not charitable or moral, no matter what you do with the loot.
LarkenRose 1 month ago
@LarkenRose You do realize that you would not even be able to type on a machine with word processing capabilities were it not for the government and tax dollars that you call theft and slavery?
You do realize that computers are the direct result of taxes, right?
You do realize that the internet was not possible without tax dollars, and could not exist without taxes? The internet wouldn't even exist without taxes.
You complain about taxes on a machine through a medium that was made with taxes!
watercup123456 1 month ago
@watercup123456 Computers exist only because politicians rob people? Um, sure. Do you think your state-worshiping delusions could get any more ridiculous?
LarkenRose 1 month ago
@LarkenRose If a politician happens to be robbing someone how does that have ANYTHING to do with taxes and the projects your tax dollars funds?
Hm it doesn't have anything to do with it :-D
Oh larken, you and your straw men!
Do you think your fallacies could get any more ludicrous?
Because the irony of you complaining over the internet which was created by tax dollars is fucking hilarious every time :-D
OOPS taxes aren't robbery. Paying taxes isn't state worship. You insane criminal you :-D
watercup123456 1 month ago
@ancestralblue Claiming to be charitable while stealing from people then doling out the stolen money from your hand, where everyone can see, isn't charitable it's a LIE. The fruits of this rotten seed are rotten as well.
I can and do help people when I can. It's not always money. Usually folks who really need help won't ask. I'm not real interested in your adulation for it. Call it Karma or Paying it Forward or... Good will come back to me but I ain't looking for it.
TheOcculus 1 month ago
@lakelandism Exactly.
This is what I have been saying. The anger should be directed at misappropriation of taxes, not the fact that you are taxed in and of itself.
watercup123456 2 months ago
@watercup123456 you, sir, are an idiot.
MaikUniversum 1 month ago
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lakelandism 2 months ago
Great point, well made. Well done Mr. Rose. I look forward to more of your work. Is there any way I can buy your book in the UK?
knwitham 2 months ago
is it ok to tell someone not to murder someone else by writing it on a piece of paper and getting others to sign it?
its called society, civilization...
joseney21 2 months ago
@joseney21 Yep, what you have the inherent right to do, such as using defensive force to stop a murderer, you can write on a piece of paper, if you feel so inclined (though doing that has no bearing on whether it's legitimate). What you do NOT have the inherent right to do, such as robbing your neighbor, cannot be made legitimate by writing it down and signing it. Can you really not distinguish the difference? One is civilized, one is not, regardless of whether it is called "law" or not.
LarkenRose 2 months ago
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You. Are. A. Moron.
tabhorian 2 months ago
What a blowhard.
noidea63 2 months ago
I am REALLLLLLLLLY wondering how this guy thinks a society, government, group of people, etc, or anything else is going to get done, without a system whereby people offer up their resources (ie. money) to the group (IE. TAXES) so that those resources can be used for the benefit of the group.
What you need to be angry and opposed to is misappropriation of the resources you give up, which is what is the problem, not the giving up of resources to the group itself.
This guy is out of his mind :-D
watercup123456 2 months ago
@watercup123456 You think being extorted by threats of violence, and people "offering up their resources," are the same thing? You seem to really and truly be incapable of imagining how people could get anything done without a parasitic gang of thieves and control freaks forcibly dominating everyone else. And that makes me wonder, do YOU ever get anything done, when no one is threatening to cage you if you don't do things his way?
LarkenRose 2 months ago
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watercup123456 2 months ago
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@LarkenRose You live in a society, under a government called the united states of america.
You can read all the associated documents for this system of government, which sets up clear reasons and boundaries for collecting and appropriating taxes.
Hence, if you don't pay your fair share like everyone else, well that's criminal, and you should go to jail. You use the roads like everyone else. You use the fire department, you use the police, you use the public schools. That takes taxes. REALITY!
watercup123456 2 months ago
@LarkenRose You aren't being extorted.
Your euphemisms are ridiculous.
Your entire argument/premise is nothing but a straw man of the usa tax code, which you henceforth attack unsoundly.
Your tiny paranoid world must be truly frightening.
I get plenty done all day long. Given your rhetoric, do you?
It's amazing you are not out there helping with the occupation, those people justly protesting a tax system that benefits the rich and hurts the poor (which where your grievances should be).
watercup123456 2 months ago
@watercup123456
Good god, you seriously believe that without a central top-down agency to implement structure, things somehow wouldn't be provided? You're either trolling or out of your mind.
fountainherz 2 months ago
@fountainherz Is THAT the argument now? I do not think Larken's premise here is one of fundamental socialism ;-D
Well, how ELSE are you going to provide things for society? Have it all figured out now eh? Please enlighten us all, and then you can just elect me president cause I have a better plan ;-D
watercup123456 2 months ago
@watercup123456
Without a central agency, how on earth will things be provided for society? Who will build the roads? What about mail? There would be NO traffic lights! All order and goods and services will fall into chaos! Chaos, I tell you! Somalia!
Go research anarchistic societies such as the Spaniards, stateless "wild west" america during settlement, Iceland Commonwealth, and Ireland for starters.
fountainherz 2 months ago 2
@fountainherz You're "solutions" are not solutions, they are the stone age.
Grow up, get a clue. Anarchistic "society" is an oxymoron ;-D
Please read REAL history, not revisionist conspiracy crap. PLEASEEEEEEE?
You kids ROFL.
watercup123456 2 months ago
@fountainherz Yeah pretty much there would be chaos without centralized authorities of some kind.
There is also chaos when there is mismanagement of those authorities ;-D
Chaos doesn't come about by very nature of some kind of authority. That is nonsense. Get better straw men.
You are SO dumb ;-D
watercup123456 2 months ago
@watercup123456
first of all 'offer up' is bull shit. pay us or go to jail is the deal.
you can 'offer up' all the resources you want, nobody is stopping you from paying whatever you want to the government. go crazy 'offer up' to your hearts content.
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@Uberdoppelganger You are supposed to pay your fair share. If you don't, that's criminal, and you SHOULD go to jail.
You don't like it, MOVE!
You want to live in America, you are offering up part of what you make to everyone else (as everyone else does), as that's how things get done, and you have roads and fire departments and schools asshole. Fucking moron :-D
What you should be angry about is people NOT paying their fair share, and putting it on you the poor who doesn't have it. Dummy!
watercup123456 2 months ago
@watercup123456 lmao
graaaaaagh 2 months ago
@graaaaaagh I know right? Am I the only one who passed civics and government 101? ROFL
watercup123456 2 months ago
@watercup123456 No, lots of us "passed" our indoctrination into the completely self-contradictory state-worshiping indoctrination crap known as "civics." But since then, some of us have taken the time to THINK about it, instead of just forever unthinkingly parroting the total BS we were taught, and cheering for our own enslavement and subjugation.
LarkenRose 2 months ago
@LarkenRose Great! More straw man and ad hominem attacks!
Do you have any actual *arguments* you would like to present against the present usa tax code, or are you going to continue with the illogical childish nonsense about being "enslaved" while freely making comments from your home computer, both in video and written form, without ANY fear of being watched, or any kind of retaliation? You should feel so lucky hypocrite!. I had to FLEE my country for fear of being imprisoned+tortured again!
watercup123456 2 months ago
@watercup123456 No retaliation for saying what I say? Aside from repeated visits by armed jackboots, being publicly demonized and slandered, robbed blind and bankrupted, and put in a cage for a year--for SAYING stuff? I'm glad that I live somewhere where--so far, at least--they don't just immediately murder dissenters. I'm not so glad to see that you decided to bring the mindless state-worship here, from whatever country you fled. Because gosh, it sounds like it worked so well in your country.
LarkenRose 2 months ago
@LarkenRose When you don't pay your taxes, that's what happens DUH! (We've been over this already).
You have to pay your fair share.
No one is coming to your door over what you are saying. That is ludicrous nonsense. If thats what you are claiming, while living in America, you are a liar, or threatened someone, and that is why you were visited.
Your paranoid anti-government anarchist nonsense it exactly that; if you practiced what you preached, you wouldn't be on a computer complaining ;-D
watercup123456 2 months ago
@LarkenRose I love the ridiculous ad homs and straw men. Please keep them up. Yes telling you that you have to pay taxes for the roads you use is now "mindless state worship" ROFL. Shows exactly what you know about me, after I am trying to tell you something important.
How stupid are you? Why don't you make LOGICAL arguments instead of acting and arguing like a child? The epitome of hypocrite, crying on his computer. If you were so worried or actually hunted, you couldn't make such videos ;-D
watercup123456 2 months ago
@LarkenRose So keep giving me the "I'm SO enslaved because I have to pay my fair share or guys with big guns come and take me to a prison that could be a hell of a lot worse in any other country" line of bullshit buddy, you live in america and if you make money, you have to pay taxes. AND! You get to speak out. Or the worst you get, pepper spray, maybe a beatdown? ROFL
The roads aren't free you know, though I know you think you are owed everything and shouldn't have to pay for anything!
watercup123456 2 months ago
@LarkenRose Enslavement and subjugation?
People try to speak out where I am from and they are imprisoned, tortured, raped, and murdered.
I was lucky enough to be american educated, have money, speak+write english well, and get asylum. Most are not. But it's not like I can go home either, see my mom, my family. I have to be careful about my identity in real life, what I say. People can't just come and go freely or they could be considered spies.
You are SO ignorant of REAL oppression.
watercup123456 2 months ago