Rick Larsen Health Care Town Hall

[noerobbins24]

I want this video on my GU230 Dimsun unit.

[memama2]

..just another dumb DIM being OUTED as another = LYING BY OMMISION official and we are supposed to "trust" she will look out for ALL the people? ......yah! ....like Obama is not going to REWRITE every single line in his CRAP CARE BILL as soon as it becomes "Obama LAW?"...........then we WIIL SEE ~hitler in action~

[felineki]

I can't help but be reminded of the old Reese's commercials. "Hey! You got your government in my Medicare!" "You got your Medicare in my government!"

[MilitaryTacticalGear]

I didnt think so...

cheap flesh indeed, perhaps the Fifth Reich can try again in a few hundred years.

NOT ON MY WATCH.

"A man who does not work, neither shall he eat."

[MilitaryTacticalGear]

Whelp,

There you have it. A pound of flesh comes cheap indeed for some. I will give my life for freedom. Will you give yours to enslave me???

[brockal]

watch?v=AZU0c8DAIU4

[MilitaryTacticalGear]

brockal,

great work, good to see someone still holds true to american values.

Rick Larsen is a domesticated socialist who is totally disconnected and will need to be tried and held accountable eventually for ignoring a sworn oath to a document he does not understand or didnt read.

Hopefully a guilty verdict will carry the highest penalty. This is a Republic, mob rule cannot dictate where my money goes. Article 4 Section 4.

You read it filthy son of a bitch before you run for office!!

[MilitaryTacticalGear]

You are a shill for unconstitutional government.

There is no provision for you. We are done feeding you. I am taking a deworm pill and should be passing you from the bowels of this once great country so we can start healing again. work and stop asking for a handout mr welfare

[memama2]

...good comment MilitaryTacticalGear! ....and how do you like the Obama comment "we need more time to gather all the facts"...???.......about the Jihad~ loon who massacered the military men and women? His YouTube moment when he gives his "condolances" is like a drone reading a phone book - and then TURNS into an infomercial about his BILLS & CRACKPOT IDEALS!..........it is the worst Presidential "condolence" I have ever had the misfortune to witness and only egoic Obama could cruely do so!

[jbugko]

Brockal likes to eliminate the facts but the facts remain despite Brockal's spewing all over the web. FACTS REMAIN, and no matter how many people with nazi signs Brockal "chums up" with, the health reform bill will pass, & the ins. co.'s will have to stop huge premium hikes and actually COVER people, and the alternative ins., ON A SLIDING SCALE BASIS, will be OFFERED to those who can't get insurance any other way.

Brockal, you're a shill for the Insurance Industry even if you dont know it..

[brockal]

My Facts Jbug:

"Power is corrupt"

"Absolute power corrupts absolutely"

"Less power= less corruption"

"The Federal gov is out of balance with other powers"

"The federal gov has too much 'power'"

"The federal gov is corrupt"

"No one chooses slavery at gunpoint"

"People may choose slavery for a perceived benefit"

Fact: Jbug's slavery comes with the illusion of some kind of care, but indulging such puts your neighbors at the threat of armed robbery or imprisonment.

[jbugko]

And if you don't have insurance, don't end up in the emergency room when you become deathly ill. Just stick to your laxatives and leeches. Because every time you use that emergency room and can't afford to pay for it out of pocket, that cost gets subsidized, and WE HAVE TO PAY FOR YOU.

ALTHOUGH, if this reform bill passes, more people will be able to afford private insurance, and the coverage will have correspond with the standards of care prescribed by the doctor.

[MilitaryTacticalGear]

I will choose what to pay for.

You mean more people can afford to have others pay for them.

[MilitaryTacticalGear]

I am working together with supporters of the Constitution who are concerned about dying freedoms is this once great Republic.

I invite everyone to go and look at jbugko's friends on youtube and see what they are up to.

Socialism, anarchy... on and on just rabid anti-founders intent nonsense.

This is the madness we are fighting, this is why the globalists have had so much luck peddling their insanity to a zombie public stoned on liberalism and sports entertainment psychosis. WAKE UP!

[jbugko]

Are you against the STANDARDS OF CARE that hospitals and doctors have to be in compliance with? Just answer the question. Those standards of care are regulated.

Do you want to go back to having slaves too?

[brockal]

For me- I am against the monopoly of Standards of Care, yes. I don't mind having objective standards, but enforcement through compulsion, no way.

Slaves? You're just poking because you have no leg to stand on except your police state and tyranny.

You are the one promoting slavery jbug. You're supporting the plunder of your neighbors for your own benefit!

[MilitaryTacticalGear]

um assbag,

slavery is forcing me to work to pay your healthcare. I choose not to, but you want me to be forced to. I wont this will be open war. And we both know who is goiing to be more passionate and win. You are not going to be winning any fights. Your entire idealism is to get others to work for you. Well now you are fighting the worker bee. And YOU are the offending party.

[MilitaryTacticalGear]

In case you dont know 18k dont live or die based on insurance. it cannot save anyone. People can die if they do not have adequate care because they arent earning enought to buy their own plan.

as far as the emergency room... you bet I know and its a damn shame, to answer your question illegal immigrants THATS WHO!

[MilitaryTacticalGear]

I am well versed on my local laws criminal and civil. They are listed online if you would like to look them up. My only claim is not whats in the bill its whats not in the bill. That is where can I opt out legally????????? ok your turn show me section title etc...

[MilitaryTacticalGear]

I know you support them trying to FORCE money from me but you are embarrased to say it because you are a welfare minded entitlement slave.

I am not, pay your own way and we will be friends. Try to take from the sweat of my brow the fruit of my labor. YOU will get war.

Decency btw is not begging for my money.

[MilitaryTacticalGear]

We cannot opt out of this, it is coercive theft. If I am wrong someone show me how.

Can I just say no and not pay?

[jbugko]

Don't you even know your own state laws?

[MilitaryTacticalGear]

jbugko,

we can sit and argue legalese until we are blue. Answer the question, what do YOU want done with me if I say no I will not pay for your healthcare???

See I dont want your money but you want mine, and at the point of a government gun. That is the issue. Go earn your own money or war it is!

[jbugko]

What on earth are you babbling on about anyway. I do earn my own money and pay for my own healthcare. I also know how to read and have a sense of common decency. You should try that combination sometime.

[brockal]

Oh, and JBUG- you'd better just keep your pie hole shut- You're a fricking NEW YORKER socialist... I am a constituent of Smarmy Larsen, so keep your socialist nose up your own Rep's ass- I'll keep my boot up Larsen's.

[jbugko]

Name the Title, Subtitle and Section you object to when it comes to healthcare reform, and try to keep from cutting and pasting from sites that interpret it for you. Read it yourself, and explain just what you have against consumer protections on private insurance.

Did you clap our hands and jump for joy when the world trade center went down in NEW YORK, asshole?

[brockal]

You are taking the Health Care Bill as a capstone for FEDERAL INTRUSION.

IF I SHILL FOR ANYTHING- IT IS STATE SECESSION.

You are promoting a federal tyranny directive. I add to your health care stuff, the many federal oppressions within communications, transportation, education, and business.

[jbugko]

War? Are you out of your mind? Did you wage war on when regulations were made for standards of care at hospitals?

The public insurance option offers insurance to the uninsured on a sliding scale basis. 18,000 die every year in this country due to lack of insurance.

And YOU ARE NOW PAYING the subsidized costs of emergency room visits, fool. You are paying that already. Who do you think ends up having to go to the emergency room, numbskull.

[MilitaryTacticalGear]

No buddy, you are paying some of us protect our assets from the pillaging hordes of goverment parasites. Out of your mind is begging me for MORE money than is already given by YOU. See thats what happens as tyranny sets in. Less incentive means less production which means you want to squeeze harder but I have already opted out.

[brockal]

Hell yes WAR! No- I'm not out of my mind.

Regulations? Who the fuck cares! I'm not party to the regulator's contract, so he can fuck off.

jbug- you are a total fricking idiot! You fail to understand the issue here. Emergency room costs? Really?

Tell me jackobite, do you know the difference between jurisdictions? federal? state? county? municipal?

You're bringing up state issues with a FEDERAL OBJECTION.

Pull your head out of your ass man! For crying out loud- your breath is awful

[jbugko]

The last time the Federalist were in power, it was 1801. And the insurance options - both public and private - are offered in accordance with State Law of each state. That's the 50 States plus DC.

Asshole.

[jbugko]

AGAIN, what is the Division, Title, and Section of the bill you are whining about???

[jbugko]

MilinaryTaciturnGear instead of offering a Division, Title, and Section in the bill he's acting all emotion over - instead provided the following answer to my profile page (KINDA COWARDLY: " You freeloaders are scared because the workers are getting tired of feeding you." Well 1st milinary, I work for a living and pay for insurance. 2nd, you don't scare me. So which Division, Title & Section are you whining about.

[MilitaryTacticalGear]

are you not aware that there is no opt out clause? that is the issue. I dont care if you have healthcare, I dont want to pay for it.

[MilitaryTacticalGear]

see folks the bottom line is what to do with those of us who wont pay. yup you want to sic the gobmint on us and that is tyrannical slavery.

we are willing to fight about this

you are willing to send someone else to fight us for you

hmm, who do you think will win in the long run????

we will find you, and make sure you get a trial by jury, and that your sentence is executed in accordance with the rule of law, not your mobocracy

[dustbunniesJ]

Why are you claiming you are in the military and insulting the government? And if you were in the military, then you would be getting veterans benefits - government health care. And the people in the military I know, both friends and family, behave with more respect than you do.

[brockal]

For one- if you haven't done the time in the dirty work of soldiering, then I'd advise you to stow it, and beckon your mates who have to lend their 2 cents.

I too am x-military. X-combat veteran.

And lemme tell ya- EVERY VET KNOWS HOW HORRIBLE THE V.A. IS!

You bring up something that is part of a contract for service. We fought, sweat, killed and some died. For that labor, we are paid.

As a Vet I say resoundingly- THE FEDERAL GOV IS TYRANNICAL AND SUPRA-CONSTITUTIONAL.

Thereby- unlawful.

[MilitaryTacticalGear]

MTG refers to gear,

GEAR if you had been home schooled you might know that. I respect what is American, the Constitution, Founders Intent, and traditional ideals, not the rotting corpse that infected the rest of the world and is spreading to us.

[MilitaryTacticalGear]

Everyone has "access" to healthcare, you have to pay for it. What would you do with those of us who refuse? have the gubmint come in and force us? would that not then be slavery? Pay your own way or bloody revolution folks it really is that simple. If you dont like it go to a country that already has socialist medicine.

Not Paying, Period!

[donottake]

Good point about that woman trying to block other's signs. Obviously she is a democrat since those people agree with free speech only if you agree with them -- all others they want to silence.

[ziggylover2000]

that is all they do...try to silence diff opinions

[brockal]

My question for him- I would have simply had those within his constituency who do NOT SUPPORT the bill stand up.

Then I would have asked him if he was prepared to send in men with guns and IRS badges to steal from those standing to fund those who remained seated.

No Constitutional Ground- he never did answer that question did he...

Scoundral. Makes me wonder if a Grand Jury would also indict him for Treason... if found guilty, then there's only one thing to do with a Traitor: HANG HIM.

[leeroynaggins]

I little extreme, don't you think...??

Let's see, wasn't there something about...

"...promote the general welfare..."

Ok, that discussion is OVER.

NEXT....

[brockal]

Extreme? Me?!

Leeroy- you don't think it is extreme to send men with guns and badges to steal from your neighbors' families in order to provide something (including medical care) to someone else?! You're supporting a police state, forced labor, theft- AND YOU ASK IF I'M EXTREME???!!!

We are 50 countries, who join together under a Federal umbrella- but you would have the USSR upon us! And "promote the general welfare" is PROMOTION! -Not SLAVERY!

Go ahead and try to get me 2 pay for u. To WAR!

[leeroynaggins]

You already DO pay for somebody else.

You have payroll taxes for Social Security. You didn't go "TO WAR" over that? But isn't it GOOD that the elderly aren't thrown out in the street?

You drive on roads, don't you? Did you pay for "Your" road?

YOU may never have to worry, even someone working hard for years could be kicked from their insurance plan for any number of reasons.

What if that person were your friend or relative?

Do we just walk over the sick and dying in the streets?

[brockal]

Contrair mon'frair. I do go to war over SOCIALIST security- and NO- I don't put into it: refuse to. Another great example you bring up for the ponzi-scheme nature of ALL FEDERAL/TYRANT programs.

Excise Taxes are Constitutions- direct taxes are not, so your comment about roads- that tax is through the gas pump (alternatively, I prefer to use biodiesel or homemade alcohol made from neighbors and not Oil Corpgov suppliers).

If I CHOOSE to support another- that is my CHOICE/FREEDOM, not COERCION.

[leeroynaggins]

Then I guess when you house is on fire, we should just stand back and watch it burn.

And if you meet economic hardship, I'll be sure to walk around your smelly frame in the street...

[brockal]

Spoken like a true blue Amerikan Nazi sir. Congrats!

Again- you fail to understand the difference between the country of the Republic of Washington, and the union. You're referring to a LOCAL tax, and NOT A FEDERAL PROGRAM by a foreign entity.

While I may be vulgar, politically incorrect- I am consistent proponent of freedom for all (that includes you too amigo).

You have shown the good old fashioned character of a NAZI- seeking the destruction of your political enemies. Congrats!

[jbugko]

So to you Germany, France, England, Canada, Scotland, Northern Ireland, Wales, Finland, Australia, and New Zealand are a bunch of commies.

And to you the NATIONAL Inst. of Health, the NATIONAL Cancer Institute, NATIONAL Institute of Diabetes, Digestive, & Kidney Diseases, NATIONAL Heart, Lung, & Blood Inst., NATIONAL Institute of Child, Health & Human Development, & NATIONAL Institute of General Medical Sciences should not exist.

[brockal]

What you're failing to understand Leeroy, is that you CANNOT FORCE others- EXCEPT AT GUN-POINT- into your ponzi schemes.

If everyone chose to war with your socialism by forfeiting their labor, their sweat, their contribution- you end up with too few producers, and too many parasites- your system of SOCIALISM doesn't work!

Just ask the Soviets! The Kibbutzniks! The Nazis!

Good luck with your heavy fist, your labor camps, your police state. You'd "hear the resounding clash of arms" b4 its over

[jbugko]

Get a grip. Those countries are our allies and fought side by side with us, you imbecile.

[brockal]

Irrespective of whether or not a country fought "along side" [you & your kind], jbugko, you're avoiding the reality of what you're proposing- forcing others at gunpoint to forfeit their labor for the benefit of another.

(Hell, even Al Quaida worked with the federals (you and your kind)).

You're trying to grey an issue by saying, "look, everyone else is doing it"!

That doesn't change the FACT THAT IT IS IMMORAL TO ENSLAVE OTHERS FOR YOUR BENEFIT.

[velcroboy60000]

What upsets you about this health care thing? Really? How does this negatively affect you? I'm just curious.

[velcroboy60000]

"Keep the government out of my medicare"!

LOL! FAIL!

[guyjohn59]

No, I think that was the point--to show that medicine is already socialized. Because to say "keep out of my health care", is to assume that it actually is yours and therefore private, when clearly that isn't the case, considering the recent severe regulations and of course Medicare, Medicaid, TRICARE, SCHIP, etc. I might be reading too much into a careless mistake, but that's how I initially took it.

[velcroboy60000]

I wouldn't worry about it too much. To me, it looks like just someone who doesn't realize that medicare is a government run program.

[guyjohn59]

Yea probably, but it could have been a good point to make if it was worded a little differently. Because so many people don't realize the damage that government has already done to health care. They might think the current system is good, or better than what the latest government gimmick entails, but they need to know that it could be a lot better if those 50+ years of government involvement were repealed. It's like how people think there's a free market. "Government needs to regulate socialism"

[brockal]

And Medicare, and the Dept of Education, and Amtrak, and the Post office are all "government run programs".

What we have is a conflict about the nature, purpose and authority of a Federal Government. We have conflict about FORCING OTHERS TO LABOR FOR THE SAKE OF THE MANY.

What we have here- is CONFLICT- about SOCIALISM VERSUS FREEDOM.

It spreads much further than some silly health-care debate. We are talking about the first stages of the 3rd Amerikan War of Independence!

[velcroboy60000]

Ummm... I don't really see the point you're trying to make here, but I don't think you have to worry about a 3rd American War of Independence.

If anything at all, this healthcare thing will probably just be passed and will remain, the same way the 'Patriot' act has. And we haven't gone to war over that.

[jbugko]

Why don't you move to Alaska and join Palin's husband in his secessionist movement then. I encourage it. Please move.

[donottake]

The best thing to happen for normal white people would be if Alaska were allowed to pull out of the US. A lot of white people are tired of being villified and discriminated against that they would flood Alaska. The US would lose a lot of brain power, tax base, and stability. The US borders would be open and flooded with Mexicans and South Americans. The only whites remaining in the US would be the guilty whites (useful idiots) who would no longer be of use and probably killed off.

[MilitaryTacticalGear]

um to answer your question assbag, its because we built the country if you arent willing to fight for freedom and just want me to pay your way your nuts. It wont come without a fight buddy, man up or shut up

[brockal]

Great example of your commie/nazi mindset: "If they don't agree, just send them to Siberia/Gulag/Dokhau."

I have even a better suggestion- how about you and I stay here, and begin to tear into it until one of us give up. I think you'll be surprised at how long someone who is a proponent of, "liberty and justice for all" is willing to go.

You commie/socialist/nazi scum are only willing to force others to sacrifice. Let's see how well you do giving your pound of flesh.

To War!

[jbugko]

So anyone who is for healthcare reform bill is a "commie/socialist/nazi" -hmmmmmm. and that doesn't sound at all absurd to you, now does it.

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHA HA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

OMG!!!!!!!!!

[MilitaryTacticalGear]

anyone who seeks to reform healthcare by taking from me to give to him is by definition Socialist in case you dont know

[jbugko]

You're going to feel foolish if you ever get a tumor, for instance, that requires surgery and your claim gets denied. Or you end up with a chronic condition that puts you out of work for six months, change insurance when you resume working & find it's not covered for a year. Or you need more chemotherapy than the insurance is willing to cover. Especially since you didn't read the bill, you read cue cards hacks feed you at Fox News which receives millions from the ins. industry

[MilitaryTacticalGear]

Um maybe you can help seeing how you have it all memorized. Where does it let me opt out so I dont have to pay for you? already had a tumor and I have my own healthcare which I pay for with my own money every month.

[jbugko]

When you make a claim, it's up to you to show the Title, Subtitle, and Section. I already know you're full of shitl

[jbugko]

Well I had a tumor and my insurance company denied me the necessary surgery. Fortunately I won the appeal. Unfortunately the denial felt like a succker punch right to where the tumor had been located. It was a precancerous BTW. Glad I knew how to appeal or I'd be dead by now.

[brockal]

Anyone who is for a socialist healthcare bill is a "commie/socialist/nazi"

I have a different proposal for healthcare. Remove the monopoly of the medical institution, and allow for the creation of competing organizations (as opposed to AMA).

Deny the "practice of medicate" to an exclusive group of shaman, and allow anyone to compete... The "general welfare" to be an objective set of research findings, whereby the citizenry can choose for themselves what they're willing to pay for what service.

[jbugko]

It just so happens that EVERY delivery parcel service had set backs. Federal Express for example had hiring freezes, paycuts, and their 401K fell apart. They charge at least $20.00 to ship a letter on the one hand. On the other hand, when I come home I check my mail, and it's there, delivered to me Monday through Saturday. And if I want to send a letter, it costs 44 cents. Now cry, stamp your feet, use your terror-words, and call a WAAAAAAmbulance about a bill you haven't even read.

[MilitaryTacticalGear]

we have a copy of the original bill as it was suggested and with the proposed ammendments. what do you recommend they do with those of us who wont pay for you? hmm, thats right you want my taxpayer funded police to come for me cause I wont pay YOUR bill! go to hell

[jbugko]

Please put your money where your mouth is. Which Division, Title, and Section are you referring to in this bill, crybaby.

[groquecrushridge]

Great video pudgenet

[Joe402]

"Keep your government out of my Medicare!"

These people are fucking retarded.

[pudgenet]

If you can't understand the truth of that statement, then you're not very bright yourself.

[Joe402]

Medicare is a government run program that old people like a lot to the point that taking it away is political suidide. What's not to understand?

[pudgenet]

What you don't understand is the fact that government does NOT usually get in between doctors and Medicare patients. And it could be that this simple idea was being expressed, though clumsily.

[Joe402]

You essentially said that Medicare, a government run program, works because the government does not get itself involved too much? Yep, you've backed yourself in a corner.

[pudgenet]

No, I didn't say that at all. Try again?

[tzimtzum1618]

One of the main things I don't like about the current bill is that it's essentially insurance reform. It does little to address the ever increasing cost of healthcare, much of which is attributable to unnecessary treatments, padding, and upbilling.

[Xoco13]

god americans are fucking idiots

[pudgenet]

Shrug. I'm a lot smarter than you are.

[Xoco13]

why r u saying u r smarter than me you really dont have an argument because i never claimed i was smart all i said was that americans r fucking stupid and this video shows u that

[pudgenet]

If you're not smart -- which I readily concede -- how can you know that they are stupid? How would you know?

[Neiblis]

Aren't you American?

I love sweeping generalizations.

[mshirley99]

The dominant American definition of socialism shows that the dominant American definition of socialism is wrong. I do not accept your premise, which is that libertarianism is correct. Libertarianism, which is implicit in your definition, is simply selfishness as a governing philosophy. It's perfectly legitimate to hold to that philosophy, but it is one I find repugnant. (My libertarian friends and I go round and round about this.)

[pudgenet]

Ummm. Definitions *cannot* be wrong. They just are.

And your definition of libertarianism does not describe what I believe in, so it has nothing to do with me. I am not selfish at all, and neither are most of the libertarians I know.

My view is that you have no right to take what is mine. This is not selfishness, any more than telling a burglar he cannot break into my home is selfishness.

You, frankly, don't know what you're talking about, at all.

[DillonX]

this group seemed to have divergent views w/out resorting to mob behavior. Good for them.

[mshirley99]

Um, Nazi Germany was not a socialist country, despite the name of the party. Neither is Obama a socialist.

[pudgenet]

It's all about definitions. There's many of them, and they are related but different. Nazism was a fascist form of socialism; its very name highlights a similarity with ALL forms of socialism: state control over society for the "betterment" of all.

Similarly, Obama is a socialist, though certainly a very different kind. His vision of state control is no less socialist than any other form, and he perfectly fits the definition of socialism Bastiat used, that we've used for 160 years since.

[mshirley99]

Yes, it is about definitions, but calling Obama a socialist removes all meaning from the term. His vision of the state id classically liberal and in no way socialist, unless by "socialist" you mean any state involvement with anything beyond the military. BTW, I do agree with DillonX that the tone of this discussion thread is excellent. Well done.

[pudgenet]

Obama fits the dominant American definition of socialism, which goes back to Bastiat: "... tariffs, protection, benefits, subsidies, encouragements, progressive taxation, public schools, guaranteed jobs, guaranteed profits, minimum wages, a right to relief, a right to the tools of labor, free credit, and so on, and so on. All these plans as a whole -- with their common aim of legal plunder -- constitute socialism."

[jbugko]

Well, if it's "all about definitions" then why don't you pick up a dictionary and stop making a fool of yourself.

Oh, right - what am I thinking? You pick up a dictionary??? You'd have to be able to READ first. Something you obviously haven't done when it comes to this Healthcare bill, you had it interpreted for you. Because your claims haveNOTHING TO DO WITH THE HEALTHCARE REFORM BILL - NOTHING AT ALL.

[checkityhold]

The Larouch posters were a bit over the top. I don't agree with them, but they were harmless. I took exception to the congressman calling them out about the signs, though. I felt he was trying to use them as a target and a ploy to get the crowd on his side more.

I'm the guy who shouted "Free Speech"

[pudgenet]

I dunno ... I probably would have called them out too, even though I am a Republican. I think it lowers the level of discourse. That's why I wrote a song (also on YouTube) called "George Bush is Hitler," to make fun of people who make such comparisons.

But you're right, too, that it's free speech. But it's not like Larsen tried to have them removed or blocked or covered up. If this had been an uglier crowd, though, what he said might have encouraged people to try to shut them up ...

[checkityhold]

I just listened to "George Bush is Hitler". Great song. (I seems like everybody is somebody's Hitler, LOL).

[justanumba]

I was there and the crowd was polite and respectful. Probably about 70% against Obamacare and 30% for. Rick Larsen mentioned that the LaRouche org. Hitler/Obama sign (I saw one) was uncalled for. But one must remember that the Nazis WERE the National SOCIALIST Party and they mandated universal gov't controlled health care. Obama is a socialist supporting gov't health care, so there is a least a correlation. It pays to study history. How much do you TRUST your gov't? Today? Tomorrow? Forever?

[pudgenet]

Sure, but there have been MANY socialist countries. Why pick Nazi Germany instead of Sweden? The answer is obvious: they are trying to link health care to the atrocities of Nazi Germany, not just socialism, and that's dishonest.

[justanumba]

I was only pointing out why the LaRouchies were making the connection. The Nazi's used their health care program to practice eugenics. Not saying every socialist country or ours would do that, but I don't care to give the government that kind of power, thank you very much.

[SuperEvilC]

YOU could use a history lesson. They may have been called the "NSP" or "NSGermanWorkersP" but strongly opposed "liberalism". One MUST remember that Prescott Bush (Nazi Banker) where Bush family fortune comes from. Prescott tried to overthrow the US government in the 1930's to install a fascist dictatorship. Taken from the history books, but BBC did a doc on it and the olds know. Former Bush officials fund "recess parties". Repubs in the USA are not the new Nazis, they are the same as before.

[pudgenet]

HA. You think Prescott tried to overthrow the U.S. government, and accuse me of needing a history lesson?!

I guess I have nothing more to say to you. You prove your own ignorance without my help.

[justanumba]

Check out the dictionary definition of Nazi. I consider myself a classical liberal along the lines of Thomas Jefferson. Liberalism is not the same as socialism (giving the government all the power). As far as Bush, I know his ugly history and never supported any of them. If you don't like Bush, why would you want the government to have power over your health care. Okay when it's Obamacare - when it's Bushcare, you might change your mind. Flip of the coin - different regime. Think about it.

[justanumba]

By the way, many banks supported the Nazis. Banks historically achieve power by fomenting wars and then they finance both sides, indebting Countrys to them, charging interest and impoverishing them. It is a scam and the world needs to get over it. That is why I support abolishing the Federal Reserve (Central Bank). It is impoverishing America. If you are interested in history, that is the history you should be studying. Not toadying to whoever the bank owned media hands you on a platter.

[lope1510]

AND ... if it's gonna be so good, EVERYONE - unions and legislators should be forced into it as well!

[dangolingo]

The elderly and infirm deserve equal care.

[pudgenet]

I don't know what "equal care" means, but yes, we who are able should take care of them.

But YOU should not use FORCE to make me do it.