@DearestClaudio Actually, Martin said that the Rainbow thing was unintentional. They were supposed to represent the 7 Colors of the Faith of the Seven or something like that.
@imagineerboi well... it's in the book actually :P i don't quite remember the exact setting, since it's been 5 years since i read the book, but in the following books it's at least been hinted at that Renly is gay. So it's completely legitimate for HBO to also include it.
Renly is not sly, underhanded, effeminate, petulant or mean-spirited, You can be a gay character and still be brave, loveable, honorable and kind. The only bad thing about Renly is that he enjoys spending money on luxurious shows and putting on a good show. He is meant to be the exact opposite of Stannis, who has no real sexuality at all and seems to be incapable of intimacy with anyone.
Women like to watch handsome men getting it on. This show is not just for men and there's lots of very rude stuff between women in it. Anybody who still feels very uncomfortable or even sick at the idea of two attractive men having a sexual encounter in this day and age must be considered to have a mental problem: see a doctor.
There are many oblique references to Renly and Loras perhaps bing homosexual and involved in the book. But I don't like the way that, in order to be gay, they have to be petulant and slight. Gay men are no thinner or weaker than heterosexual men and Ser Loras in particular does not have the physique of an unbeatable athlete. He is decidedly pigeon chested.
I hate the guy they got to play as Renly. Renly is supposed to be like a young Robert, big and strong. Less stupid and arrogant maybe, but still. I don't mind this scene because It was obvious he was gay, even Stannis said so, but they didn't have to make him into such a girly gay stereotype.
ok, i have to ask.. how did the writers of the show come up with this scene? there is nothing like that in the books. i mean, in AFFC there are some mild suggestions, but nothing, absolutely nothing like this.. and don't come to me with the whole "rainbow guards" thing, there are pink knights who are not gay..
@canadaguy666 TV has come a long way in regards to this so perhaps take it for what it's worth. Obviously, there's still a large portion of the audience that doesn't want to see that as lame as it is, these shows care about ratings above all, so if they piss off too many people, they lose viewers.
actually, the most long, slow and boring scene of the whole series. And not for any homophobic reason... it's just boring! Renly is boring even in the books, but he gets way more boring in the series.
@pat5168 how is it classless? it shows how intimate they are, how renly is willing to do this to please loras, and how devoted loras is to renly. it shows how much of an influence loras has on renly, how much they trust each other and how developed and meaningful their relationship is that loras can cut and tell renly off, when he is the prince and no one is allowed to do that. it proves that renly and loras have something beyond the power fight the world revolves around.
@sexoenladisco Classless because the subtle hints is all that's in the series. Classless because it's like this show can't explain something without it putting straight into your face. I'm not against homosexuals, and I would say the same if this was the way they showed any relationship. It's akin to showing a flashback of someone's marriage to display that they are married. Blunt and unsophisticated while requiring no thought from the viewers. Sorry if I come off as a critical bitch.
@pat5168 Why should this be classless. It shows a lot in the story. And i suppose the scene where the two woman almost made a hardcore sexscene or every other men-woman combo was a classy act am I right...
For everyone who's a bit confused as to how they came to watch this scene, go to any A Song of Fire and Ice forum and look up the discussion on Loras/Renly. I promise that you'll start to get if after reading the evidence and hints from the book. ;)
@BxJerseyShorefan Do you realise how much of a dick you are for spoiling the story like that? You must do because your comment is so obviously there just to piss people off. I hope someone spoils something for you in equal measure :)
@TakagiSnaporaz That is hardly a problem, particulary when considering how frank GRRM is in the books about sex. There are several sexual scenes in the book I can recall in that aren't in the TV series.
@EmperorHarold Yes but they cut several interesting sublopots (such of th Renly's research for another younger wife for the King, that has to resemble Ned Stark's dead sister) and instead they put these not really relevant sex scenes, doesn't seems wronf to you ?
@TakagiSnaporaz As far as I am concerned, they included everything that was necessary. I felt Renly's suggestion of Margeary Tyrell was just to bring the Tyrells in closer, which this scene shows why Renly wanted this. It also helps explain why he wanted to be King.
Omg this caught me so off guard when watching the show, just when I thought it was all built and designed to please straight guys with woman's tits showing every 5 minutes, this happens... I got a boner...
@KinTheHusky I was going to chastise you for being a mindless yaoi fangirl, but then you mentioned the boner. Touche. Unless it's a metaphorical boner. (Bisexual bi the way)
Interesting that they actually put this in there... I picked up on Renly being gay-ish in the prologue of the second book, where the maester is reminiscing about how he used to play dress up, but it was only until after he *spoiler alert*
Died, that I starting to pick up on the whole thing with him and Loras.
especially when Loras became a Kingsguard and Tyrion asked him why give up his claim, his chance to be married and so on. And Loras replies that when the Sun has set no candle can replace it. It was very clear that Loras meant Renly. So yeah. but on another note: I dont like the shows Loras. For someone who trained since he could hold a stick he is awfully skinny. He looks more like a milkboy than a worrior he is described at in the books.
It was pretty freaking obvious to me when I read the books that Renly and Loras were gay. It was never explicitly stated, but there were numerous hints. If you didn't get it, don't feel bad, maybe you just aren't good at picking up on subtlety. But to say the screenwriters made it up for the show.... Nope. Read again.
I can't believe there are people who read the books and didn't get that Loras and Renley were lovers. Yes, it was subtle, but they were definitely gay, It shouldn't even be up for debate.
This is an INSULT to Wholesome American Values™ and typical of HBO to defile an otherwise great story by turning two prominent characters into all-out FANOOKS.
In the books, there is no evidence to support the theory that Lord Renly loves the cock, even though the "Knight of the Flowers" sounds like some gay David Tutera shit. Yet in the HBO series, the LIBERALS at HBO force us to sit through a VULGAR scene where Loras slurps his cock like Sarah Palin with a black guy. Unbelievable.
@GozerTheGozerian oh shut the fuck up first of all it was quite obvious they WERE gay & second if you don't like watching it then why the hell are you watching it on youtube or atleast looking it up,
@theunderdoggx1 Why are you defending this faggotry? Did you spring wood when you watched this scene? If it were up to you, all the scenes with Ros would be replaced by the Knight of the Flowers dancing to David Bowie songs while whipping the Hound.
@GozerTheGozerian umm no because David Bowie was not around back then & them dancing to it would just make no sense whatsoever & regardless they are GAY don;t like it dont watch it.
@SkyStained Actually, you're right. George R.R. Martin is a fag. He spends half the time describing every character's cocks and calling them "manhoods." If he's not describing Hodors cock as "hanging thick and meaty," he's describing Khal Drogo's "glistening manhood" or adding scenes in the TV show about Theon Greyjoy's "serious cock." This dude is obviously obsessed with the cock and his work should be boycotted.
@xxxusernameherexxx They were gay in the books too. Sure, they were a bit more discreet about it, but the hints aren't that hard to figure out. Knight of FLOWERS, RAINBOW Guard, the fact that Renly and Margeary never consummated their marriage etc.
they completely messed this up. yes it was obvious in the books that they were both gay but they were also badass, yet renly especially in the show is portrayed as a naive child who thinks he'll be a good king because he has morals but is so squeamish that in reality he doesn't have what it takes to do the job. that's a tragic simplification of the original character. it seems the writers have abritrarily equated gay with stereotypical camp, ruining both characters as a result.
@DAandFrank I read the books after the show but I felt the same. I watched this now after reading the books and its so OOC for both of them. Especially Loras is badly casted. A guy who trains years on years has a bit of muscle on him. And Loras was not so... feminim in the books. Its sad that the show felt the urge to overdisplay a cliche to make it clear to the audience the Characters are gay. I hope in they are more in Character in Season two
@Armlace Oh and btw IF you are wondering I am not a Christian, I dont take well to any and all monoteistic religions. This concept is too unnatural and alien to me.
@Armlace Thats a lie right there and you know it. Even take George RR Martin books. People get attached to fictional characters and feel for them, even fall in love with them. If no one cared about them, they wouldnt read tye books. You need to be more honest with yourself or think it through before you state something which is not true.
@bootclunk Google renly. There are some webpages dedicated to finding evidence of their homosexual relationship and it is quite convincing. Even if you havent noticed it, the evidence is there.
@bootclunk There's a hint of it, and more in the following books to the point of it being quite obvious, maybe the producers wanted to make it known right from the beginning so they could leave out some of the more trivial parts where this is mentioned and still keep the story intact.
@austinthebookworm5 Thats true, the show is a lot more in-your-face about it. Whatever, thats the directors touch. Theyre not changing the fundamental truths about it (because the hints are pretty irrefutable) and perhaps this will greater emphasize Loras' loyalty later or whatever. It detracts nothing from the show so Im okay with it.
Well, George R.R Martin said before the launch of A Dance with Dragons that there would be a gay POV. Jon Connington is a new POV in that book, and after much forum discussion we decided that it could only be Jon, especially after his moments with Rhaegar Targaryen
It's very loosely hinted in the books, but tbh I kind of like it more this way. It means Renly breaks out of the gay stereotype, since he is a passionate and popular king.
@WWVS78 Sorry, I'm not so judgmental to automatically think when Flowers or a Rainbow are mentioned that the person is gay. Yeah, looking back it's easy to just say that, but other than that I didn't think there were many real signs. And certainly none of what this clip shows.
@XIXNayRXIX to say the least it was one of the most subtle reveals I've come across in a book, but Martin seems the expert on subtlety, I would say "Is" but he's so damn subtle about it.
@XIXNayRXIX They were but its more subtle in the novels. You have to remember, the books are told from various POVs and the only characters who definitely knew weren't POV characters (at least not until later). So you have to read between the lines. An example is Renly saying he married one of the most beautiful maids to Stannis in book 2. And Stannis replying that in his bed she'll die a maid. Not to mention he was married to her for 2 weeks, and noone questioned that he didn't sleep with her.
I'm very pleased with the show itself because it's making things clear for the people who haven't read A Song of Ice and Fire. When I read the first book and was reading the second one, I never thought that Renly was gay, although when I now thing about it, it should've been clear (the RAINBOW Guard, for crying out loud). It's good to put this scene in the show so people would know (and whole lot of other scenes that weren't in the book). Can't wait for second season!
@Theriot6592 It's much clearer in the second book, when Renly allies with Loras's family (i.e., House Tyrell of Highgarden) and makes his own claim to the Iron Throne. It's never explicitly stated, but there are LOTS of hints.
Making it explicit, as in this scene, was a change from the books to the TV series.
I have nothing against the relationship itself but this just seemed so random and thrown in like a lot of the other pointless sex scenes in this show.
Didn't like the way they portrayed these characters, their relationship was only hinted at in the books, and they're such a stereotype of gay people it's disturbing this is in 2011.
Renly was a likable character, funny, kind, and arrogant naturally but still, a character, not a silly stupid stereotype.
The main complaint I have about the way they made Renly in the series is that they made him such a negative gay stereotype. In the books he was kind, funny, brave enough to take on the Hound in the tournament and gracious enough to laugh about getting knocked off his horse. In the TV series he's wimpy, lazy, spoiled and not someone you would trust your back our your kingdom to.
If I would get to the small councill and learn that a handsome, tall and single guy is wasting more money on his wardrobe than most women in the court combined, I'd suspect something was wrong from the beggining. If I then learned he spends a lot of time with a guy with the nickname ''Knight of the Flowers'', I'd be wearing an extra chain mail underwear even, and specially, in Court.
Maybe the only scene that not match at all with the books, Loras was the squire of Renly, that's why they are close but never in the books it is written that they have a relationship !
I'm quite sure that Renly had the time to taste Margary ^^
@darkvlaams the only real scene that i have found in the books that could be a hint at this is when cat comes to Renlys war-camp where he is having a tourney. It mentions that he is siting with his wife and Loras...but only paying Loras attention. subtle but it could be easily read into.
@peachesdeity I didn't pay attention in this detail, now i can understand why is it that way in the series, but honestly I don't like the way Renly is describe in the series, we will see in season 2 the real approach.
@darkvlaams I agree. Renly might be a gay, bisexual at very least, but he is not wimpy like first season somewhat portrays him. I hope they change it for the second season.
@peachesdeity There are several other hints in the first three books, you can see them clearly if you pay attention. Also, GRRM has confirmed they had a romantic relationship.
I don't mind that the characters are gay, it's just weird to me because I don't think it's ever mentioned in the books. In fact I think Renly is supposed to be quite a lady's man.
@CommanderGene you made that up! it never says renly is a lady's man! a clash of kings makes it pretty obvious that he is gay! we don't find out in a game of thrones explicitly about the nature of their relationship because no POV character is constantly near them! but it does say they are together and it does also say that renly is an attention whore and loves colors and flowers and shit like that which stannis and robert hate!
You may be right. I can promise you I didn't make that up, my memory is just faulty since I didn't read Clash of Kings in a while. I think I just assumed Renly is a lady's man since he's described as being very handsome.
@CommanderGene yeah! that may be it! it is said that he looked exactly like the younger Robert, very tall and muscular... which is a very bad casting choice if you ask me! this guy looks small and not at all handsome!!
@CommanderGene yeah! that may be it! it is said that he looked exactly like the younger Robert, very tall and muscular... which is a very bad casting choice if you ask me! this guy looks small and not at all handsome!!
@CommanderGene Renly has the attention from ladies, Women fall for him in the book but he doesnt really care for them. All they get are roses in turneys and such.
When Renly gets killed Loras looses it in grieve and even kills two of the guards in his rage. And in book three tyrion asks him why he took the white cloak, Loras answer: "When the sun has set no candle can replace it."
@CommanderGene The Sun meant Renly. It was also an open secret in court. Jamie ones threaten loras to stick up his sword where Renlys never got.
Loras was the most affected by Renlys death. If he were straight I dont think he would give up on his claim and a family because his friend died? Thats sounds more like lovers than friends to me.
@thatasshole2435 don't know how far you are into the books, but yes it is defiantly implied in more than one chapter..this scene though never happened in the books.
omg this is soooo hot. I've learned one thing about good television and hbo. You can have all the action you want. all the battle scenes all the betrayals but with out a sprinkle of man on man love it's just not the same. with out it's like eggs with no ketchup >w<
@BloodThirstyScott1 didn't you get clued on when jamie threatens to stick his sword up "a place even Renly never found"? lol while he was talking to Loras
Huh. He must give a really good foot massage to get a reaction like that.
AdinaProductions 16 hours ago
I'm straight... but this conversation is kinda cute... at least starts like it. xD
Animanijak017 18 hours ago
That awkward moment when you recall that at this time Renly was betrothed to Margaery Tyrell...
jakus789 18 hours ago
The awkward moment when you leave one armpit unshaved...
DaveyBoy1337 1 day ago 2
I was both shocked and proud to see a gay couple in this show. X3
NovaFur 1 day ago
WAIT WHAT LORAS IS GAY?! HOW DAFUQ DIDN'T I KNOW THIS?!
LlLstevie 2 days ago
Dudes, I'm just going to throw a guess here, maybe I'm mistaken, but I think they are gay...
12amiroNH 3 days ago
This caught my dad off guard. It was hilarious. He's not homophobic, he was just surprised!
lisambofoh 4 days ago
@lisambofoh Mine too, he's read all the books and he didn't pick up the homosexuality either until now.
ShadowSonic2 4 days ago
@ShadowSonic2 Come on... "The Rainbow Guard"... how can anyone miss that blatant gay flag?
DearestClaudio 4 days ago
@DearestClaudio Actually, Martin said that the Rainbow thing was unintentional. They were supposed to represent the 7 Colors of the Faith of the Seven or something like that.
ShadowSonic2 4 days ago
Why did that have this scene in? Because its HBO of course! They have to put a gay character in somehwere...
imagineerboi 6 days ago
@imagineerboi well... it's in the book actually :P i don't quite remember the exact setting, since it's been 5 years since i read the book, but in the following books it's at least been hinted at that Renly is gay. So it's completely legitimate for HBO to also include it.
DerMoll 5 days ago
Renly is not sly, underhanded, effeminate, petulant or mean-spirited, You can be a gay character and still be brave, loveable, honorable and kind. The only bad thing about Renly is that he enjoys spending money on luxurious shows and putting on a good show. He is meant to be the exact opposite of Stannis, who has no real sexuality at all and seems to be incapable of intimacy with anyone.
steerpike66 6 days ago 5
Women like to watch handsome men getting it on. This show is not just for men and there's lots of very rude stuff between women in it. Anybody who still feels very uncomfortable or even sick at the idea of two attractive men having a sexual encounter in this day and age must be considered to have a mental problem: see a doctor.
steerpike66 6 days ago 2
There are many oblique references to Renly and Loras perhaps bing homosexual and involved in the book. But I don't like the way that, in order to be gay, they have to be petulant and slight. Gay men are no thinner or weaker than heterosexual men and Ser Loras in particular does not have the physique of an unbeatable athlete. He is decidedly pigeon chested.
steerpike66 6 days ago
yeah, this wasnt in the book
pooptypants1 6 days ago
shit scene. not in the books
GlitterAdicted 6 days ago
I hate the guy they got to play as Renly. Renly is supposed to be like a young Robert, big and strong. Less stupid and arrogant maybe, but still. I don't mind this scene because It was obvious he was gay, even Stannis said so, but they didn't have to make him into such a girly gay stereotype.
89Dustdevil 1 week ago
ok, i have to ask.. how did the writers of the show come up with this scene? there is nothing like that in the books. i mean, in AFFC there are some mild suggestions, but nothing, absolutely nothing like this.. and don't come to me with the whole "rainbow guards" thing, there are pink knights who are not gay..
pipari44 1 week ago
@pipari44 they're gay in canon, tho. the author said so.
fujikokun 1 week ago 2
And now we know, why Margaery stayed virgin.... ( mentioned in last Sansa scene in "Clash of Kings").
allmylovers1 1 week ago
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Worst scene in the show and it lasted so long too.
LurkingInToronto 1 week ago
Renly and his rainbow guard. It makes so much sense now.
Spearboi123 1 week ago 16
THE RAINBOW GUARD!
ParadisConnor 1 week ago
Loras = The Kim Kardashian of GoT xDD :) *pretty face* I has money..
SteampunkMadHatter 2 weeks ago 2
;p;!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *nosebleed*
SteampunkMadHatter 2 weeks ago 2
what the hell..
Lessproductivestuff 2 weeks ago
...I wonder whether Brienne knows...
loonygoldfish 2 weeks ago 6
@loonygoldfish Brienne was in many ways intensely ignorant of all things sex, so I doubt it, though Jaime did do his damnedest to disillusion her.
AuditoryEden 2 weeks ago
this is bullshit! they don't even kiss. fucking writers. they write in scenes of hetero doggy-style incest, but not even a simple guy on guy kiss? bs
canadaguy666 2 weeks ago
@canadaguy666 TV has come a long way in regards to this so perhaps take it for what it's worth. Obviously, there's still a large portion of the audience that doesn't want to see that as lame as it is, these shows care about ratings above all, so if they piss off too many people, they lose viewers.
shearoberts 1 week ago
@chimyra No, that was classless too. My favorite was the Arys - Arianne though.
pat5168 2 weeks ago
actually, the most long, slow and boring scene of the whole series. And not for any homophobic reason... it's just boring! Renly is boring even in the books, but he gets way more boring in the series.
I was bored, did you get it?
carnion1985 2 weeks ago
With the amount of incest in this series I'm surprised that people are actually getting bent out of shape by this scene...
SkunkyAngry 2 weeks ago 6
How classless. They could only send the message across of them being gay by having a scene or Loras shaving Renly shirtless?
pat5168 2 weeks ago
@pat5168 how is it classless? it shows how intimate they are, how renly is willing to do this to please loras, and how devoted loras is to renly. it shows how much of an influence loras has on renly, how much they trust each other and how developed and meaningful their relationship is that loras can cut and tell renly off, when he is the prince and no one is allowed to do that. it proves that renly and loras have something beyond the power fight the world revolves around.
sexoenladisco 2 weeks ago 4
@sexoenladisco Classless because the subtle hints is all that's in the series. Classless because it's like this show can't explain something without it putting straight into your face. I'm not against homosexuals, and I would say the same if this was the way they showed any relationship. It's akin to showing a flashback of someone's marriage to display that they are married. Blunt and unsophisticated while requiring no thought from the viewers. Sorry if I come off as a critical bitch.
pat5168 2 weeks ago
@pat5168 Why should this be classless. It shows a lot in the story. And i suppose the scene where the two woman almost made a hardcore sexscene or every other men-woman combo was a classy act am I right...
Loved this scene!
chimyra 2 weeks ago
For everyone who's a bit confused as to how they came to watch this scene, go to any A Song of Fire and Ice forum and look up the discussion on Loras/Renly. I promise that you'll start to get if after reading the evidence and hints from the book. ;)
BlackFluteChance 2 weeks ago
Ummmm...how the hell did I get here?
Sslarvag 2 weeks ago
Yeah, I never picked up on that in the book!
lainey123 2 weeks ago
Wait a moment...I read the book and I definitely do NOT remember this part at all! 0__0 It wasn't there!
appledozeLeonTaz 2 weeks ago
@appledozeLeonTaz
But it was hinted at ;)
Epimachus123 2 weeks ago
@appledozeLeonTaz Well then they did a nice job putting together some of there own scenes didn't they?!
chimyra 2 weeks ago
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Renly dies in season 2
BxJerseyShorefan 3 weeks ago
@BxJerseyShorefan Do you realise how much of a dick you are for spoiling the story like that? You must do because your comment is so obviously there just to piss people off. I hope someone spoils something for you in equal measure :)
sexipants 3 weeks ago
the worst part of this show is that it puts in your face sex scenes that are not in the book only for stupid fanservice...
TakagiSnaporaz 3 weeks ago
@TakagiSnaporaz That is hardly a problem, particulary when considering how frank GRRM is in the books about sex. There are several sexual scenes in the book I can recall in that aren't in the TV series.
EmperorHarold 3 weeks ago
@EmperorHarold Yes but they cut several interesting sublopots (such of th Renly's research for another younger wife for the King, that has to resemble Ned Stark's dead sister) and instead they put these not really relevant sex scenes, doesn't seems wronf to you ?
TakagiSnaporaz 3 weeks ago
@TakagiSnaporaz As far as I am concerned, they included everything that was necessary. I felt Renly's suggestion of Margeary Tyrell was just to bring the Tyrells in closer, which this scene shows why Renly wanted this. It also helps explain why he wanted to be King.
EmperorHarold 3 weeks ago
loras 100% HOMOSEXUAL
MrAj1200 3 weeks ago
ooo wut episode is this? :D
squirrelflight5 3 weeks ago
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I hate when people say homosexuality is natural. It isn't. It's either a choice or a gene defect.
RooseTheMighty 3 weeks ago
flagged u perverts
baryon15 3 weeks ago
Is this the only homoerotic scene of the series? Thanks
silviagras 3 weeks ago
...he didn't wipe his armpit! so much hotness going on and I'm disturbed by his armpit! ...just wipe it! argh!
jhmn123 3 weeks ago
so gay...
mdtwiztid 4 weeks ago
This scene is lush.
sneekz07 4 weeks ago 4
Omg this caught me so off guard when watching the show, just when I thought it was all built and designed to please straight guys with woman's tits showing every 5 minutes, this happens... I got a boner...
KinTheHusky 1 month ago 62
@KinTheHusky hahah me too bro, legit - renly is fucking hot
luffinbitbybit 1 month ago
@KinTheHusky I was going to chastise you for being a mindless yaoi fangirl, but then you mentioned the boner. Touche. Unless it's a metaphorical boner. (Bisexual bi the way)
shinobi67 2 days ago
Well that's one way to get Tyrell support...
austinthebookworm5 1 month ago
Interesting that they actually put this in there... I picked up on Renly being gay-ish in the prologue of the second book, where the maester is reminiscing about how he used to play dress up, but it was only until after he *spoiler alert*
Died, that I starting to pick up on the whole thing with him and Loras.
ItsTheSecretAsian 1 month ago
@ItsTheSecretAsian spoiler*
especially when Loras became a Kingsguard and Tyrion asked him why give up his claim, his chance to be married and so on. And Loras replies that when the Sun has set no candle can replace it. It was very clear that Loras meant Renly. So yeah. but on another note: I dont like the shows Loras. For someone who trained since he could hold a stick he is awfully skinny. He looks more like a milkboy than a worrior he is described at in the books.
DallasGuy91 3 weeks ago
Loras Tyrell: The Brokeback Mountian who rides
alexthethu 1 month ago 66
It was pretty freaking obvious to me when I read the books that Renly and Loras were gay. It was never explicitly stated, but there were numerous hints. If you didn't get it, don't feel bad, maybe you just aren't good at picking up on subtlety. But to say the screenwriters made it up for the show.... Nope. Read again.
supermotherfxxerbxch 1 month ago 6
I can't believe there are people who read the books and didn't get that Loras and Renley were lovers. Yes, it was subtle, but they were definitely gay, It shouldn't even be up for debate.
twinlet323 1 month ago 3
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This is an INSULT to Wholesome American Values™ and typical of HBO to defile an otherwise great story by turning two prominent characters into all-out FANOOKS.
In the books, there is no evidence to support the theory that Lord Renly loves the cock, even though the "Knight of the Flowers" sounds like some gay David Tutera shit. Yet in the HBO series, the LIBERALS at HBO force us to sit through a VULGAR scene where Loras slurps his cock like Sarah Palin with a black guy. Unbelievable.
GozerTheGozerian 1 month ago
@GozerTheGozerian oh shut the fuck up first of all it was quite obvious they WERE gay & second if you don't like watching it then why the hell are you watching it on youtube or atleast looking it up,
theunderdoggx1 1 month ago
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@theunderdoggx1 Why are you defending this faggotry? Did you spring wood when you watched this scene? If it were up to you, all the scenes with Ros would be replaced by the Knight of the Flowers dancing to David Bowie songs while whipping the Hound.
GozerTheGozerian 1 month ago
@GozerTheGozerian umm no because David Bowie was not around back then & them dancing to it would just make no sense whatsoever & regardless they are GAY don;t like it dont watch it.
theunderdoggx1 1 month ago
@GozerTheGozerian how did you not pick it up in the books there were numerous hints..
HusslerkiD 1 month ago
@GozerTheGozerian There is also the fact it was comfirmed by the author for those who did not get it. Also get over yourself.
SkyStained 1 month ago
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@SkyStained Actually, you're right. George R.R. Martin is a fag. He spends half the time describing every character's cocks and calling them "manhoods." If he's not describing Hodors cock as "hanging thick and meaty," he's describing Khal Drogo's "glistening manhood" or adding scenes in the TV show about Theon Greyjoy's "serious cock." This dude is obviously obsessed with the cock and his work should be boycotted.
GozerTheGozerian 1 month ago
@GozerTheGozerian Well, he did have one character named "Dickon Manwoody"...
ShadowSonic2 1 month ago
@GozerTheGozerian Aw boo hoo. Someone's a homophobe.
Kaikirith 3 weeks ago
I didn't ask for this :<
Lsirs 1 month ago
why did they make Renly and Loras gay in the show???
xxxusernameherexxx 1 month ago
@xxxusernameherexxx They were gay in the books too. Sure, they were a bit more discreet about it, but the hints aren't that hard to figure out. Knight of FLOWERS, RAINBOW Guard, the fact that Renly and Margeary never consummated their marriage etc.
ornjoos 4 weeks ago 3
@ornjoos Read A Feast For Crows, Renly and Margaery definitely consummated. But Rainbow Guard does give it away a bit.
s2525gee 3 weeks ago
@s2525gee I'm sorry, but nowhere in AFFC it is mentioned that it is with Renly that she had sex !!!!!
rocksinoo 2 weeks ago
they completely messed this up. yes it was obvious in the books that they were both gay but they were also badass, yet renly especially in the show is portrayed as a naive child who thinks he'll be a good king because he has morals but is so squeamish that in reality he doesn't have what it takes to do the job. that's a tragic simplification of the original character. it seems the writers have abritrarily equated gay with stereotypical camp, ruining both characters as a result.
DAandFrank 1 month ago 3
@DAandFrank Not to mention they apparently pulled some trashy factory worker out of a hick town to portray Renly
Revrant 1 month ago
@DAandFrank I read the books after the show but I felt the same. I watched this now after reading the books and its so OOC for both of them. Especially Loras is badly casted. A guy who trains years on years has a bit of muscle on him. And Loras was not so... feminim in the books. Its sad that the show felt the urge to overdisplay a cliche to make it clear to the audience the Characters are gay. I hope in they are more in Character in Season two
DallasGuy91 3 weeks ago 2
I hope one day he becomes king and makes his enemies pay out the ASS.
I pray he doesn't turn a BROWN EYE
No ifs, ands, or BUTTS about it.
He should really be ANAL about his approach
.... SPHINCTER.
iPriestHolmes 1 month ago 3
@iPriestHolmes Family Guy?
ornjoos 1 month ago
male on male nipple shaving = small price to pay for a beautifully executed series
littlebabypara 1 month ago
A whole lot of shit it going to go down when he gains the throne.
Medafets 1 month ago
@Medafets he dies before he gets it
xxxusernameherexxx 1 month ago
Your vid is a favorite on Luxembourg
indseytate718l 1 month ago
they are so cute, I love it so much <3
SpunkStalker101 1 month ago 4
@Armlace Oh and btw IF you are wondering I am not a Christian, I dont take well to any and all monoteistic religions. This concept is too unnatural and alien to me.
Chudakov77 1 month ago
@Chudakov77 hahhahah you're such a weirdo! go watch some incest porn or something!!
scratchfg212 1 month ago
@scratchfg212 O_o
Chudakov77 1 month ago
@Armlace Thats a lie right there and you know it. Even take George RR Martin books. People get attached to fictional characters and feel for them, even fall in love with them. If no one cared about them, they wouldnt read tye books. You need to be more honest with yourself or think it through before you state something which is not true.
Chudakov77 1 month ago
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I say incest a lot more natural than this crazyness. o_O
Chudakov77 1 month ago
@Chudakov77 jesus fucking christ, please tell me the 77 is your age and not the year of your birth.
mitxelus 1 month ago 5
@mitxelus Now now, don't be cursing at Jesus he would hate that!! :D
Chudakov77 1 month ago
@Chudakov77 Well, no one really cares about the feelings of fictional beings anyways
Armlace 1 month ago
@bootclunk Google renly. There are some webpages dedicated to finding evidence of their homosexual relationship and it is quite convincing. Even if you havent noticed it, the evidence is there.
metaitachi 1 month ago
@bootclunk There's a hint of it, and more in the following books to the point of it being quite obvious, maybe the producers wanted to make it known right from the beginning so they could leave out some of the more trivial parts where this is mentioned and still keep the story intact.
mitxelus 1 month ago 3
wow to think they turned the "we had prayed together that night" line into this...
austinthebookworm5 1 month ago
@austinthebookworm5 Theres a lot more than just that line.
metaitachi 1 month ago
@metaitachi
Yes I know; I read that essay as well. It's all little hints though, with nothing like the scene we're watching right now.
PS Jon Connington is gay as well :P
austinthebookworm5 1 month ago
@austinthebookworm5 Thats true, the show is a lot more in-your-face about it. Whatever, thats the directors touch. Theyre not changing the fundamental truths about it (because the hints are pretty irrefutable) and perhaps this will greater emphasize Loras' loyalty later or whatever. It detracts nothing from the show so Im okay with it.
metaitachi 1 month ago
@austinthebookworm5 Is he?, in what book says that? I´m curious now
HelenandDamon 1 month ago
@HelenandDamon
Well, George R.R Martin said before the launch of A Dance with Dragons that there would be a gay POV. Jon Connington is a new POV in that book, and after much forum discussion we decided that it could only be Jon, especially after his moments with Rhaegar Targaryen
austinthebookworm5 1 month ago
It's very loosely hinted in the books, but tbh I kind of like it more this way. It means Renly breaks out of the gay stereotype, since he is a passionate and popular king.
austinthebookworm5 1 month ago 24
@austinthebookworm5
DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMNNNNN YOUUUUU ANNNNND YOOUUUUR SPPOOOOIILLLERSSS!
XD
I apologise for my grammar though :D
Vanlayale 3 weeks ago
@austinthebookworm5 your right, I never even picked up on it when reading. but when this came out it the penny dropped suddenly lol.
davidjohnbonnett 3 weeks ago
Whoa.....whooooaaaa... Was he gay in the Novel? I'm almost done with the second I don't remember him and Loras like this....
XIXNayRXIX 1 month ago
@XIXNayRXIX "The Knight of Flowers?" "The Rainbow Guard?" The hints are all there.
WWVS78 1 month ago
@WWVS78 Sorry, I'm not so judgmental to automatically think when Flowers or a Rainbow are mentioned that the person is gay. Yeah, looking back it's easy to just say that, but other than that I didn't think there were many real signs. And certainly none of what this clip shows.
XIXNayRXIX 1 month ago
@XIXNayRXIX to say the least it was one of the most subtle reveals I've come across in a book, but Martin seems the expert on subtlety, I would say "Is" but he's so damn subtle about it.
igerree 1 month ago
@XIXNayRXIX They were but its more subtle in the novels. You have to remember, the books are told from various POVs and the only characters who definitely knew weren't POV characters (at least not until later). So you have to read between the lines. An example is Renly saying he married one of the most beautiful maids to Stannis in book 2. And Stannis replying that in his bed she'll die a maid. Not to mention he was married to her for 2 weeks, and noone questioned that he didn't sleep with her.
Litewraith 1 month ago
Thank you HBO for rushing a subtle reveal.
igerree 1 month ago
@igerree But the head was offscreen, bro. That's masterful.
LoveoneAn 1 month ago
@LoveoneAn I'm not your bro, buddy!
igerree 1 month ago
@igerree I'm not your buddy, pal.
LoveoneAn 1 month ago
I'm very pleased with the show itself because it's making things clear for the people who haven't read A Song of Ice and Fire. When I read the first book and was reading the second one, I never thought that Renly was gay, although when I now thing about it, it should've been clear (the RAINBOW Guard, for crying out loud). It's good to put this scene in the show so people would know (and whole lot of other scenes that weren't in the book). Can't wait for second season!
RowlingPotter 2 months ago 3
Is Renly gay in the books? I'm halfway through the first one and haven't seen any mention of it
Theriot6592 2 months ago
@Theriot6592 Yes but it's not mention till after he dies.
LoveoneAn 2 months ago
@LoveoneAn Oh, fuck you asshole
Theriot6592 2 months ago
@Theriot6592 You asked first dipshit. Unless you were somehow talking to yourself in the comments section of this video.
LoveoneAn 1 month ago
@LoveoneAn Thanks for the spoiler, asshole. The person just said they were only halfway through the first book.
Celedam 2 months ago
@Theriot6592 It's much clearer in the second book, when Renly allies with Loras's family (i.e., House Tyrell of Highgarden) and makes his own claim to the Iron Throne. It's never explicitly stated, but there are LOTS of hints.
Making it explicit, as in this scene, was a change from the books to the TV series.
Celedam 2 months ago
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A true Gaylord.
ChicoTorera 2 months ago 52
BARATHEON WORDS: OURS IS THE FURY!
RENLY'S WORDS: OURS IS THE FAIRY! LOL
Jinkamoto 2 months ago 2
I have nothing against the relationship itself but this just seemed so random and thrown in like a lot of the other pointless sex scenes in this show.
89Dustdevil 2 months ago
i was very dissapointed in this scene... the scene does not appear in the books and neither should it in the series.
mongobly 2 months ago
wow........squish squish squish slurp
Hannahegywarriors 2 months ago 7
I think this scene could have done without the noises after Loras crouches.
rexmage 2 months ago 5
nice and hot scene :p
xxxStefo 2 months ago
Didn't like the way they portrayed these characters, their relationship was only hinted at in the books, and they're such a stereotype of gay people it's disturbing this is in 2011.
Renly was a likable character, funny, kind, and arrogant naturally but still, a character, not a silly stupid stereotype.
Joeysmith2 2 months ago 5
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Disgusting.
Alexplus20 2 months ago
The main complaint I have about the way they made Renly in the series is that they made him such a negative gay stereotype. In the books he was kind, funny, brave enough to take on the Hound in the tournament and gracious enough to laugh about getting knocked off his horse. In the TV series he's wimpy, lazy, spoiled and not someone you would trust your back our your kingdom to.
MrReded69 2 months ago 40
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augustbentle616 2 months ago
stannis
AlineVerdade 2 months ago
brienne
AlineVerdade 2 months ago
If I would get to the small councill and learn that a handsome, tall and single guy is wasting more money on his wardrobe than most women in the court combined, I'd suspect something was wrong from the beggining. If I then learned he spends a lot of time with a guy with the nickname ''Knight of the Flowers'', I'd be wearing an extra chain mail underwear even, and specially, in Court.
wattoucheng 2 months ago
@wattoucheng why? that doesnt makes sense?
DallasGuy91 3 weeks ago
Maybe the only scene that not match at all with the books, Loras was the squire of Renly, that's why they are close but never in the books it is written that they have a relationship !
I'm quite sure that Renly had the time to taste Margary ^^
darkvlaams 2 months ago
@darkvlaams the only real scene that i have found in the books that could be a hint at this is when cat comes to Renlys war-camp where he is having a tourney. It mentions that he is siting with his wife and Loras...but only paying Loras attention. subtle but it could be easily read into.
peachesdeity 2 months ago 3
@peachesdeity I didn't pay attention in this detail, now i can understand why is it that way in the series, but honestly I don't like the way Renly is describe in the series, we will see in season 2 the real approach.
darkvlaams 2 months ago
@darkvlaams I agree. Renly might be a gay, bisexual at very least, but he is not wimpy like first season somewhat portrays him. I hope they change it for the second season.
TheInitiation 2 months ago
@peachesdeity There are several other hints in the first three books, you can see them clearly if you pay attention. Also, GRRM has confirmed they had a romantic relationship.
TheInitiation 2 months ago 3
Renly has the rainbow guards. that could be a sign of him being queer.
NoasNoa 2 months ago
Oh look some characters are gay this is obviously more shocking than incest betrayal and murder.
HarduntheRanger 2 months ago 99
@HarduntheRanger
I don't mind that the characters are gay, it's just weird to me because I don't think it's ever mentioned in the books. In fact I think Renly is supposed to be quite a lady's man.
CommanderGene 1 month ago
@CommanderGene George RR Martin has confirmed that Renly and Loras are infact, gay.
guywholikesvids 1 month ago
@CommanderGene you made that up! it never says renly is a lady's man! a clash of kings makes it pretty obvious that he is gay! we don't find out in a game of thrones explicitly about the nature of their relationship because no POV character is constantly near them! but it does say they are together and it does also say that renly is an attention whore and loves colors and flowers and shit like that which stannis and robert hate!
scratchfg212 1 month ago
@scratchfg212
You may be right. I can promise you I didn't make that up, my memory is just faulty since I didn't read Clash of Kings in a while. I think I just assumed Renly is a lady's man since he's described as being very handsome.
CommanderGene 1 month ago
@CommanderGene yeah! that may be it! it is said that he looked exactly like the younger Robert, very tall and muscular... which is a very bad casting choice if you ask me! this guy looks small and not at all handsome!!
scratchfg212 1 month ago
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@CommanderGene yeah! that may be it! it is said that he looked exactly like the younger Robert, very tall and muscular... which is a very bad casting choice if you ask me! this guy looks small and not at all handsome!!
scratchfg212 1 month ago
@CommanderGene Renly has the attention from ladies, Women fall for him in the book but he doesnt really care for them. All they get are roses in turneys and such.
When Renly gets killed Loras looses it in grieve and even kills two of the guards in his rage. And in book three tyrion asks him why he took the white cloak, Loras answer: "When the sun has set no candle can replace it."
DallasGuy91 3 weeks ago
@CommanderGene The Sun meant Renly. It was also an open secret in court. Jamie ones threaten loras to stick up his sword where Renlys never got.
Loras was the most affected by Renlys death. If he were straight I dont think he would give up on his claim and a family because his friend died? Thats sounds more like lovers than friends to me.
DallasGuy91 3 weeks ago
@HarduntheRanger, oh gosh the shock I know (JOKE). These two characters are interesting in how they stay outside the spotlight in season 1.
Wolfen443 1 month ago
i'm very upset that loras is so pathetic. he's supposed to be Jaime 2.0.
rmccaw7 2 months ago
so brienne loved a pussy? fucking bullshit. that girl's whole existence was a pitiful joke
rmccaw7 2 months ago
i read the books, and i never thought these two were queer for each other. someone wanna explain where it says this in the book?
thatasshole2435 2 months ago
@thatasshole2435 don't know how far you are into the books, but yes it is defiantly implied in more than one chapter..this scene though never happened in the books.
tyrionimpstark777 2 months ago
This whole scene is a real sign of trust - you don't let just ANYONE shave your chest and other areas.
m3rrys0ngstr3ss 2 months ago 12
omg this is soooo hot. I've learned one thing about good television and hbo. You can have all the action you want. all the battle scenes all the betrayals but with out a sprinkle of man on man love it's just not the same. with out it's like eggs with no ketchup >w<
JolinXXQuest1 2 months ago 4
Yumm
deadmiaw 2 months ago
Wow...I just read all the books and I had NO idea they were gay....huh lol cool
BloodThirstyScott1 2 months ago
@BloodThirstyScott1 didn't you get clued on when jamie threatens to stick his sword up "a place even Renly never found"? lol while he was talking to Loras
tyrionimpstark777 2 months ago 4