The main reason the long hood forward running was to have dual control stands in them and it minimized the turning around at certain points. It wasnt for crew protection. It was saving the rr money than to find a way to turn the locomotives around.
Long hood forward for added crew protection. High short hood so crews wouldn't have a reason to object to long hood being forward. ( ex N&W conductor)
@TheZeke1974 Crew protection, and tradition. The long hood (and/or highnoses) were for taking the brunt of the force in case of a collision with other trains, or trucks/cars at crossings. On old steam locomotives, the crew sat behind the boiler with the majority of the loco in front of them, this is where the tradition comes into play on why they ran their trains this way.
I love those big old ALCO. Great sounds. That unit was from one of the first orders N&W made for them. You can tell by the Hi-Ad trucks ALCO used. The crews hated them, especially in curves. They felt like they would tip over. N&W MoW hated the wear they caused. On the subsequent order N&W traded in their Fairbanks-Morse Trainmasters and had ALCO rebuild the FM trucks and put them on the ALCOS.
@waynerc51 Not really a "worst paint scheme ever", so to speak. Some railroads like flashy paint. NW and southern railway had basic paint jobs on their locos. This meant low maintenance on appearance. Black appears to be cleaner over other colors, even when it is caked with road grime. My grandfather worked on the NW back in the 70's (brakeman), and he said that he prefered the black paint due to really low glare on bright days (just his opinion).
Not true. C-628's are longer because they were designed for passenger service and had a room for a steam generator. However all were putted in freight service. As for the C-630's they all ended up working on Canadian National. 1130 is a C-628 because I saw a C-628 numbered 1121 working on Norfolk and Western.
I know what all the Century series and M-liners look like, because I've made technical drawings of them based on blueprints and photos. The C628 and C630 are almost identical and share the same dimensions. The C630 was ordered with three types of trucks, while the C630M was built with Dofasco-cast trucks with narrow axle spacing.
The M630 and M636 are both based on the ALCO C636, but are marginally longer and have Dofasco trucks. They were owned by CN, CP, BCOL and QCM.
I don't know much about NW or SRR history prior to NS, but I know NS always sports odd models of EMD and GE here in Louisville. I suppose this video shows that this was a practice of NW before.
Best ALCO VID on the net, PERIOD. Where are these BEASTS? I talked to an old gentleman who used to be an engineer for PENN CENTRAL. However , he did not make it clear whether he ever escaped reality, and actually DROVE one of these, or just thought he had. LONG LIVE ALCO.
Nope. It's a C630, part of NW 1130-1134 built in 1966. Not all C630s had Hi-Ad trucks. Visually, a dead giveaway is the aftercooler box behind the cab, which is absent on the C628.
I believe 6091 is still running today on NS and under the original number. All the SD40-2's of the NW kept the numbers they were given after the merger. I don't know if it's painted in the new horsehead scheme or not. I'm going to have to check it out.
Seems like I remember only a small handful of railroads used the hi-hood 630's. I think the C&NW used them on thier iron ore routes. These guys were work-horses.
Wow, ALCO's working on the NS, although Norfolk Southern is just a holding company that has only been on paper for less than 3 months now.
N&W and Southern railway officials probably haven't had the first fist fight over the creation of the logo for the new company that we most recognize with the pransing horse
That N&W Alco is a gorgeous engine. It's a shame the company went out of business, would love to see what new Alco's would look like today if they had managed to keep operating...
good job. and the control stands were installed to operate long hood foreward.ask an n&w trainman about having to go to the bathroom in a plastic bag then take it with him at the end of his shift.
@e44e33 I never worked for any railroad because I am only 16 but I know for a fact that they were used for crew safety. That is also the reason that they ran mostly LHF and also that is I think the reason that before that "Safety Cab" bull shit NS also ran LHF
@diazpepe ... @e44e33 is correct. i have an old "diesel locomotive rosters north america" book from kalambach (sp?) circa 1983 that quoted NW & SR's preference for high hoods & running them long forward was for added crew protection.
CPR used to have many of these big alcos, the last running were on the CB&CNS railway in Nova Scotia in Canada, i like the fact this one is high-hooded, looks authoritative!!
Am I correct that the "slugs" have no engine or generator but the wheel motors still work and they are used to spread the tractive force over more axles. I grew up in Ohio and remember seeing Penn Central, Contrail and NW trains on the various lines in the region.
I was down by the main entrance and I had FBI and local and state police all over me, asking me "Whats this for?" and all that, it was atleast 15 cars.
The main reason the long hood forward running was to have dual control stands in them and it minimized the turning around at certain points. It wasnt for crew protection. It was saving the rr money than to find a way to turn the locomotives around.
BNforever2009 1 month ago
35 seconds=is that KEITH STONE??
pele6922 7 months ago
high hood long nose forward because East Coast roads can't stop wrecking head on with each other
88junor 7 months ago
is that a RP-E6Y road slug coupled to the C630?
scsiscuz 8 months ago
Long hood forward for added crew protection. High short hood so crews wouldn't have a reason to object to long hood being forward. ( ex N&W conductor)
ksman38 9 months ago
i am lucky enough to live in nw arkansas,where the A&M runs through springdale.been to the a&m shops many times
arkie74 1 year ago
how long did the EX N&W C628's and C630's last in CNW Ore train Service?
boweandrew3 1 year ago
Running long hood forward. Ive always wondered why NW/NS used to run the locos this way?
TheZeke1974 1 year ago
@TheZeke1974 Crew protection, and tradition. The long hood (and/or highnoses) were for taking the brunt of the force in case of a collision with other trains, or trucks/cars at crossings. On old steam locomotives, the crew sat behind the boiler with the majority of the loco in front of them, this is where the tradition comes into play on why they ran their trains this way.
Jason
NShighnoser 1 year ago 2
BEAUTIFUL RAIL SHOW FOR 1982...
overkill4955 1 year ago 2
I love those big old ALCO. Great sounds. That unit was from one of the first orders N&W made for them. You can tell by the Hi-Ad trucks ALCO used. The crews hated them, especially in curves. They felt like they would tip over. N&W MoW hated the wear they caused. On the subsequent order N&W traded in their Fairbanks-Morse Trainmasters and had ALCO rebuild the FM trucks and put them on the ALCOS.
gempmac80 1 year ago
Great to see a century 630 even if it is in the worst paint scheme ever.
waynerc51 1 year ago
@waynerc51 Not really a "worst paint scheme ever", so to speak. Some railroads like flashy paint. NW and southern railway had basic paint jobs on their locos. This meant low maintenance on appearance. Black appears to be cleaner over other colors, even when it is caked with road grime. My grandfather worked on the NW back in the 70's (brakeman), and he said that he prefered the black paint due to really low glare on bright days (just his opinion).
Jason
NShighnoser 1 year ago 4
what a BEAST!!!!!
Ranaldo20 1 year ago
OOPS! Sorry, I mixed up the ALCO C-630 with the MLW C630M and M630.
Triplex5014 1 year ago
Not true. C-628's are longer because they were designed for passenger service and had a room for a steam generator. However all were putted in freight service. As for the C-630's they all ended up working on Canadian National. 1130 is a C-628 because I saw a C-628 numbered 1121 working on Norfolk and Western.
Triplex5014 1 year ago
@Triplex5014
I know what all the Century series and M-liners look like, because I've made technical drawings of them based on blueprints and photos. The C628 and C630 are almost identical and share the same dimensions. The C630 was ordered with three types of trucks, while the C630M was built with Dofasco-cast trucks with narrow axle spacing.
The M630 and M636 are both based on the ALCO C636, but are marginally longer and have Dofasco trucks. They were owned by CN, CP, BCOL and QCM.
trainiax 1 year ago
@trainiax Now you say it. Well, thanks for the info. I always mixed Alco C-630 with the MLW C630M and M630.
Triplex5014 1 year ago
Those would have looked nice in NS paint.
TPM75108 2 years ago
I don't know much about NW or SRR history prior to NS, but I know NS always sports odd models of EMD and GE here in Louisville. I suppose this video shows that this was a practice of NW before.
bennoach 2 years ago
@nastasepatrucase
Ha ha. Lol. Depends.
DevynYoshi 2 years ago
Alcos. Mabey one of the most reliable locomotives ever built.
DevynYoshi 2 years ago 7
No, no, no! A C630 is shorter, all axles are the same distance from each other. The C628 is long because of the space for a steam generator.
Triplex5014 2 years ago
C628 and C630 are the same length:
69'-6"
e44e33 2 years ago
Best ALCO VID on the net, PERIOD. Where are these BEASTS? I talked to an old gentleman who used to be an engineer for PENN CENTRAL. However , he did not make it clear whether he ever escaped reality, and actually DROVE one of these, or just thought he had. LONG LIVE ALCO.
hootenzie 1 year ago
@hootenzie Yeah, I'm asking myself that too, where are those locomotives? were they scraped or what?
Triplex5014 1 year ago
@e44e33 Well it seems that I mixed up the Alco C-630 with the MLW C630M and M630.
Triplex5014 1 year ago
That is a C-628. Can't you see that it has
of center trucks.
Triplex5014 2 years ago
good eye
jdoggybizzle 2 years ago
Nope. It's a C630, part of NW 1130-1134 built in 1966. Not all C630s had Hi-Ad trucks. Visually, a dead giveaway is the aftercooler box behind the cab, which is absent on the C628.
trainiax 2 years ago
@trainiax If I could only show you the picture of a real C-630 you would see that it looks different.
Triplex5014 1 year ago
Long-Hood-Forward FTW
veronicafan2000 2 years ago
I believe 6091 is still running today on NS and under the original number. All the SD40-2's of the NW kept the numbers they were given after the merger. I don't know if it's painted in the new horsehead scheme or not. I'm going to have to check it out.
tarmac2001 2 years ago
Seems like I remember only a small handful of railroads used the hi-hood 630's. I think the C&NW used them on thier iron ore routes. These guys were work-horses.
roasted420 2 years ago
Wow, ALCO's working on the NS, although Norfolk Southern is just a holding company that has only been on paper for less than 3 months now.
N&W and Southern railway officials probably haven't had the first fist fight over the creation of the logo for the new company that we most recognize with the pransing horse
tarmac2001 2 years ago
why were people on top of those hoppers?
OhioRails 2 years ago
That N&W Alco is a gorgeous engine. It's a shame the company went out of business, would love to see what new Alco's would look like today if they had managed to keep operating...
dasmikey1964 2 years ago
Great video. I love the Alco's and the EMD's
AMTKnumber4 3 years ago
why southern and nw use high hoods?
diazpepe 3 years ago
I think it was for added crew protection. Need an exSR or exNW guy to fill us in.
e44e33 3 years ago
Yes it was for protection plus I know why engines built for N&W ran engine forward,and Im only 12
BrodyFarmBoy 3 years ago
good job. and the control stands were installed to operate long hood foreward.ask an n&w trainman about having to go to the bathroom in a plastic bag then take it with him at the end of his shift.
axxeminister 3 years ago
there used to be an ex N&W GP35 around where i live and i had a control stand on both sides so it could easily operated in any direction.
kirbygrubb 3 years ago
@e44e33 I never worked for any railroad because I am only 16 but I know for a fact that they were used for crew safety. That is also the reason that they ran mostly LHF and also that is I think the reason that before that "Safety Cab" bull shit NS also ran LHF
MilwaukeeSDman 11 months ago
@e44e33 N&W and Southern ran long hood forward, was for toilet space and such I beleive
tweakedtim 11 months ago
@e44e33 Hey I have a relitave that I meet once a year that worked for the Southern Ill ask him & fill ya in.
tartopfan 2 months ago
@diazpepe i dont know man.. but they always seemed to run the backwards too
mikeshemi72 1 year ago
@diazpepe ... @e44e33 is correct. i have an old "diesel locomotive rosters north america" book from kalambach (sp?) circa 1983 that quoted NW & SR's preference for high hoods & running them long forward was for added crew protection.
CurtisTuch 3 months ago
Wow very nice video! love that Alco unit.
justkiddin08 3 years ago 2
MAN THAT UNIT IS SWEET
EMDFAN1988 3 years ago
a es identica de la argentina.
mariano9022 3 years ago
N&W still had ALCOs in 1982? Less than three months until the merger! Most of Conrail's were gone by 1980. Did NS have any ALCOs on it's roster?
cbehr91 3 years ago
what a job that would be!!!!
BlowoutBob 3 years ago
It looks like the SD45 is numbered 1713. God bless.
cbalducc 3 years ago
WOW! HEAR THAT ALCO SLUG IT OUT!
veronicafanDA 3 years ago
That is just too cool!
1975grandville 4 years ago
i miss n and w!!
skrewtube 4 years ago
never seen a fm trainmaster slug like that! unique!
srkalis1 4 years ago
CPR used to have many of these big alcos, the last running were on the CB&CNS railway in Nova Scotia in Canada, i like the fact this one is high-hooded, looks authoritative!!
TrainmasterCurt 4 years ago
Love seeing them again! Too bad the slug wasn't a working H24-66!
Baldwindiesels 4 years ago
Am I correct that the "slugs" have no engine or generator but the wheel motors still work and they are used to spread the tractive force over more axles. I grew up in Ohio and remember seeing Penn Central, Contrail and NW trains on the various lines in the region.
epistte 2 years ago 2
Yes--they get power from the mothership
e44e33 2 years ago
yes thats correct
gaycowboy31 2 years ago
I dare you to try and get this today in 2007! LOL
BNSF757 4 years ago 2
Sooooooooo Right man!!!
FlatBlackXtreme 4 years ago 2
I was down by the main entrance and I had FBI and local and state police all over me, asking me "Whats this for?" and all that, it was atleast 15 cars.
BNSF757 4 years ago
Yeah, fat chance. We wish we could get this today.
mafarnz 4 years ago