@Mufaso1000 a perpetual trust fund much like a cemetary endowment! The interest on the money he paid through life insurance is enough to keep him in Liquid Nitrogen indefinately!
@Mufaso1000 If it was with CI, then 28,000$. Small term life insurance policies are usually sold in 25,000$ blocks. very cheap. A pittlely 1% return would pay out 280$ every a yr forever. enough to keep him in LN2 indefinately. In contrast, a heart transplant avgs $700,000 and may even kill you. Here you have no place to go but back to life and no bickering with a health insurance company. Unless you kill yourself or are murdered, life insurance pays off without question. All in all a fair deal!
@DK0526 25,000 in term life insurance is less then 10$ a month for a young non smoker! That means you can easily spend more on cigarrettes or a junk food habit that causes you health problems while you could have a chance at near immortality and perpetual youth in a very technologically advanced and wealthy future...probably with cheap space travel and universal human health, beauty, and technology rivalling magic of lore! You have little to lose very much to gain!
@bassmajor some surely were but not all and this is why embryos are routinely frozen with no Ill effect. Also stem cells can replaces any damaged cells with new ones just as your immune system does..only much more efficiently in the future! Also Vitrification has minimized freezing damage so that many many cells survive fully intact! You only need 1 cell out of trillions to clone a whole person!
@mlwigg freezer burn is a result of humidity at much much warmer temperatures in a conventional freezer. In the future any such damages will be reversed via science that does not yet exist...but very likely will because it is based on molecular nanosystems that already exist in nature within all living organisms. nature is the example of what is not impossible...even today we have artic wood frogs that freeze solid and awake on thier own!
As for how do you revive a head? Well even if 1 cell out of trillions survives freezing and we know it will. ie embryo example. Then you have a complete DNA blueprint for your body at a youthful state. Thats why clonning and adult stem cells are possible. Nature is using that info to build a new you when these procedure are done. To grow a new body from the neck stub down is similar to growing a whole body via clonning. But were not just talking about creating an identical twin. Your mind is >>>
>>>the 2nd peice of information after your DNA. Your minds information ie memory, mind, thoughts, personality, everything is encoded in the neural structure of your brain. The tangled mess of neurons and synaptic connections structurally encode the software within the brain. So you need to freeze the brain to save the mind and freeze at least one cell to get the DNA blueprint to fix or replace everything within the frozen patient. Thats the plan anyhow? I will send you evidence of my claims...
@grahamek77 cryonics could allow us to live as long as possible. No one in cryonics has suggested that you would be immortal...it is noncryonicists only who have suggested this. There are many myths and misconceptions about cryonics that are untrue. Cryonicists do not view frozen people as dead but as patients in a near death state. Sure they are legally dead but the law has been wrong before. 100 yrs ago you were dead when your heart stopped, today we defibulate and revive those once "dead"!!!
@grahamek77 I'm glad I could clear things up for you. There is many people who have trouble understanding the concept of cryonics. It is not for the faint of heart or simple mind.
I seem to have found an expert. I've seen defrosted fruit, and it's just a mush. As I understand, freezing organic material often results in a change in molecular structure. How could a human body, especially if it's just a head, be brought back to life or even be considered 'partially dead' ? No sarcasm or irony intended - just a serious question.
@grahamek77 Yes fruit is a biological tissue which is designed after frost to decompose while seeding the next generation of plant. The cellular membranes of fruit are much more fragile the those of an animal or insect. Ask your self why they store sperm, eggs, embryos, and DNA samples at LN2 temps and why these cells are turned to mush. In fact, people are walking around today that where once frozen to liquid nitrogen temps (as embryos that is) so our cells are not the same as fruit. However >
>however> to simply try and thaw a full sized non embryo human after LN2 temps would be useless with todays technology. You would need to introduce molecular nanotechnolgy (tiny replicating robots) to bridge and fixate tissue while doing repairs and swap out of molecules before thawing. These machines would be very similar to existing biological machines that also replicate and do repairs and swap out molecules. These machines could operate at colder temps then room air and work more efficiently
Those nanomachines do not exist yet except for the natural ones in our bodies now. Some day according to the laws of accelerating returns and Moore's law we will have advanced control over matter on a molecular scale and then we wont need the ambulence ride (that is cryonics) to get us to that possible future. Maybe 50 yrs maybe 500 only time will tell for those who are wise enough to try? It doesnt matter how long it takes for society to advance for a cryopreserved person it is only a moment.
@FAMEROB He would care as much as a person who goes under the knife during surgery! The person in surgery is unconscious so he cares about nothing...he isnt even thinking! However he had a reasonable expectation that those he has entrusted his care to would revive him. Mr Berkowitz has the same pre conscious expectation! A moral society will do all in its power to fullfill it at some future date...just as we care for the sick today!
This will only be sufficed until,say, an earthquake hits the storage facility and the capsules get either buried or severly damaged. It's in California,so it may happen.
apart from the fact I don't think we should aspire to live forever, and that the world can't support a population of immortal human beings, apart from that the procedure is massively expensive, a lot of relatives end up terminating the program in the end (so lots of money spent and you still have a corpse at the end of it) and medical science should be focusing on keeping people alive, not on freezing dead bodies which we can be 99,9999% sure will not be resurrected.
@grahamek77 perhaps we shouldn't aspire to live forever yet trying to just live as long as possible is supported by every major religion and nontheist human endeavors. This is why we exercise, diet, and go to the doctor. In the last 100 yrs as a result we have tripled the natural human life span. There is no reason to think with molecular nanotech that we cant expand the human life span by 1000's of yrs. Immortality is forever and I doubt any technology can last forever. As for expense it is>>>
>>The expense is relative. CI charges $28,000 for a interest compounding acct that lasts indefinately without family payment. In contrast, how much does a heart transplant cost? which could kill you. Presumably you can be any worse off in cryonic suspension then you were just before you get frozen. If cryonics works then by defacto it is medical science that is keeping these people alive. Since dead is final they would have to be redefined as deadly unconscious in cardiac arrest and brain arrest
Cryonics has a good chance because of molecular nanotechnology which will exist. If you think Molecular nanotechnology is fiction think again. The natural version of nanotech is what allows all life to exist in the first place. You cant have life without nanotech so since we are alive nanotech is possible and even likely to be controlled by man. Once we have control over the structure of matter we can fix, replace and heal any human tissue as easy as swapping out parts in a car. Think about it!
...also The planet may be under stress because of the curent human population yet with nanotechnology there is plenty of room. The earth has 7/10s oceans that are hardly inhabited, the deserts, the mountains, the north and south polls. Under the earth and in high sky scrapers and other areas that were once wastelands could harber humans not to mention the vast size of the universe and space colonization that would happen through nanotechnology and accelerating advancements (see moores law)
...suspension failure of this sort was of Samuel Berkowitz, who was frozen in July 1978 and stored at Trans Time’s facility in northern California. I understand that, as the relatives who were funding the suspension began to lose interest and/or wherewithal, an offer was made to continue the suspension as a neuro (head-only) free of charge, but it was turned down. Instead in October 1983 they had Berkowitz thawed, submerged in formaldehyde, and buried that way [
This is just wrong. What guarantee do you have that you'll be reanimated or brought back to life? Whoever is storing your body can just take your money and run and there's nothing you can do about it!
@liddlebopeep You will at least have a chance to live. However if you don't sign up and get cremated of buried ...you get a absolute guarantee of death! There are no guarantees in life but this at least gives you a chance...kind of like an experimental cancer treatment...where you have nothing to lose!
Unfortunatly this man Samual Berkowitz was unfrozen and buried in a cask of formaldehyde so he wont be coming back for those of you who didnt know. but as for nanotechnology as far as ive seen they have only been able to make a "nanotube" or a tube like struceure of nano size, and though i personally think the concept of nanomachines are possible, I just cant believe that they really have not come close to making any kind of nanomachine unless its just really that complicated
@ap327145 Nanotechnology is certainly possible...when you think of it life itself is an example of natural nanotechnology in action right now. Deconstructing and reverse egineering the physics of life is indeed very complicated but as the human Genome project, stem cell research, clonning , and other biosciences are showing we are beginning to unravel these mysteries. There is no reason to think we will not continue to advance technologically as moore's law predicts.
@sehoujay Thats not how Nanotechnology works....In fact, it would be easier to reverse his age then repair freezing damage. So implied in his awakening is health and perpetual youth. If Nanotechnology ever reaches the critical stage that Moores law says it will then complete control over molecular structure will both fix freezing damage, and restore youth and health for a very long time. BTW he will also have material wealth greater then anyone alive today again by default of technology.
Nanotechnology is almost garunteed to happen....why? Because of Moore's law and the law of accelerating returns. These laws are inescapable and factually woven into the physics of reality. With out these laws we wouldnt have natural nanotechnology better known as "biological life". Life itself is the template for manmade nanotechnology which will change everything and make humans super human and will also bring back Berkowitz to 100% health and vitality.
@Creaturefiend565 He will wake up completely healed and young around 25 with all his wisdom and memories in tact. He will be in a world in which matter obeys the commands of humans because of molecular nanotechnology. He will have God like power over matter. Space flight and space colonization will be routine. Robots and AI will be everywhere waiting to obey his commands. He will be wealthy and powerful beyound his wildest dreams. All humans will be by then. Nanotech will change everything!
@tiner1891hkr Its hard to determine what the soul would be doing since by definition the soul is supernatural. Thus it is unmeasurable by us non supernatural types. However, what ever state the soul is in it appears to be in a similar situation to that of some one in cardiac arrest or in a cold water drowning or other deeply unconscious situation. Through deductive reasoning we can say that yes if we are suspended then so is our soul however you define the "soul" or weither you believe in it.
@Timx4 If you are refering to Frankenstien...let me remind you that the story was fiction. Furthermore, there were people looking at electrical defibulation as far back as when Mary Shelly wrote that fairy tail and the novel had such a fearful effect that Cardiac defibulation took another 100+ years to develope. Today thousands are saved and not a single one has become a monster!
@Timx4 Following that logic we should close down all hospitals, fire all doctors,& close down pharmacutical companies. This way we could insure only young people survive. This is essentially what we had for most of humanity prior to the industrial revolution when the avg life expectantcy was a mere 33. Is that what you are advocating? Because where do you draw the line at? The natural 33 limit or the current 87 limit. Who are you to deem someone who is 110 too old to live. Wisdom comes with age!
@localSickened We think it will work. If we had concrete results then we wouldnt need cryonics because we would have advanced molecular nanotechnology and then cryonics would have been proven to have once been a worth cause. Cryonics is not the cure but instead the ambulence ride to the future that may be the cure. search my youtube channle and see for yourself why we think it will work. Enjoy
@Yadimom82 Perhaps "God" is using cryonics & Nanotech as a vessle to fulfill Rev 21:4
That would be consistant with Christ's commandment to his followerss to "Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead. . . ." (Matt. 10:8) Either way I would be careful to question God's will or even Cryonics before you fully understand the will of both. Cryonics aims to heal the sick, to cure disease, to extend life and place the proper value on human life that we should all adhere to and respect.
@DK0526 to me cryonics is just going to make it possible for very rich men to possibly be in the future. honestly the world would be better with out them. this should be a procedure people earn by being great and prophetic men, because if they did this to everyone it would be pointless and too much stuff to handle. only legends would want to wake up with their family, friends, and their loved one dead anyway
@notrealy180217 Actually cryonics is cheaper then a heart transplant. CI cost 28,000 funded by life insurance. A heart transplant cost approx 700,000 funded by health insurance. We dont make judgments weither someone is worthy of health care based on fame. We help all that we can reasonably help. Thats what makes us Human. However, the Nazis made judgments about who was worthy of life or not...I dont think we should emulate the Nazi's rather we should work to just save lives and heal the sick.
@ricardosantizo hypothermic treatments are already being used today in medicine. Cooling is already saving human lives in the medical community. look up hypothermic medicine.
@ricardosantizo It similar to saving your self when your unconscious. IE you save up and purchase health insurance and when or if you have a massive heart attack. Your insurance pays for your heart surgery that saves you then under the right conditions you wake to help others to do the same. Cryonics is medicine and medicine is the ultimate expression of compassion twards humanity. Those frozen are not dead rather they are deeply unconscious.
The only thing that makes me wonder is that in order to reverse the cryonic process alone, wouldnt it require the cure of all cures? How ever they do it nanomedicine, body regeneration, etc, it would be the ultimate cure for pretty much any illness. Wouldnt it be a world where with this technology everyone in the future would be able to live however long they wanted to, makes you wonder if this will actually ever happen.
@ap327145 Yes Nanomedicine as envisioned would be the cure of all cures. All but catastrophic trauma or nano weapons would cause death at that point. perhaps a star going supernova. But remeber Nanotech would be every where and the universe would be easilly teraformed and the future would by defacto be a really great and powerful place. It is hard to imagine the amount of technology that we will have at our disposal. It will border on godlike magical control of all matter for all.
@coptersoisoi opps I didnt catch that. But I am glad you see the rational in cryonics. But even today people have survived past 45 in cardiac arrest or with no blood flow to the brain and no brain damage. How? Ice water drownings, children frozen solid out side, hypothermic brain surgery. and Human embryos frozen in liquid nitrogen. Even though this is extreemly rare it points to light at the end of the tunnle for those who believe science will continue to advance and solve the death problem.
@coptersoisoi legally and clinically, yes he died, but technically or actually he probably didn't. The only correct and truly scientific answer is (we will have to wait and see). If he is woken up due to advanced future medicine it will not be bringing someone back from the dead. It will be simply waking up a very sick and deeply unconscious patient. The definition of what death is is always changing. It has changed in the past and is certain to change in the future.
poor guy if some jackass comes up to this case having a degree straight out of the cereal box. life would suck balls witnessing this from where samuel is :P
@TheGarcia350 yes best to keep jack asses away. Until science developes molecular nanotechnology life will indeed suck balls for Samuel but at least he will have the chance to see if that MNT is ever developed. Also If MNT is developed all the people who didnt sign up with cryonics and who could have will truly be the sad ball suckers.
@FutureLaugh That is really a question of semantics. The premise in cryonics is that you are not really technically dead. Sure you are legally dead and clinically dead but many of your cells are still alive long after legal death. Its just that today we can not reverse most legal deaths but in the future we will be able to so then by definition you were not really dead but just deeply unconscious. Death has many definitions that have changed many times over the yrs depending on what we know.
@DK0526 no way man, after you die all your cells begin to shut down like a machine, thats why within an hour you will be stiff and decomposing and stink up the place. This sounds like a grift man; if they were still alive or in a coma then ide say give it a shot but freezing a dead guy is a great idea if you want to thaw out a dead guy 100 years from now. Maybe they can make a puppet out of him and send shocks down his back and make him do tricks...
@FutureLaugh The key word being "begin". After even 48 hours of room temp many of the trillions and trillions of cells in a human are still alive. In fact it only takes 1 cell out of trillions to clone molecular parts to repair and even replace damaged cells. Death is not a event it is a process. What you may be confused with is the fact that under current technology we can not reperfuse cells or reanimate organisms after more then 5 mins of warm cardiac arrest. There is a big difference.
@DK0526 you are leaving a lot up to science fiction, who is to say science can ever bring back a person from death? Mary Shelly wrote about it and 200 years later what advancements do we have? A frozen grandpah and an IOU one live grandpah BLANK set years from now when we invent a cure for death?
Sadly her novel scared the daylights out of the people. Back then electricity was new and scientists noted that it could be applied to a dead frogs legs to make them twitch. It was fear that pushed back this science for another 150 yrs untill the first cardiac defibulators were developed to in fact shock the dead back to life. For the last 50 yrs defibulators have brought back many people from certain death...despite the Frankenstien stigma and fear caused by Mary Shelly.
@DK0526 Dont get me wrong I enjoyed the Frankenstien story myself but I see it as nothing more the scary sci-fi entertainment designed to appeal to the masses. True science proceeds despite the BS drummed up by writers and hollywood. It may take longer because of public fear and ignorance but in the end science prevales. Cryonics is based on sound science and logical reasoning that people who are dead by todays definition may not be dead by tomarrows definition. Defibulators changed many minds!
@DK0526 defibulators dont bring dead people back to life, it contracts the muscles in the heart and gets it restarted back in its normal rhythm when somebody has a cardiac arrest
@FutureLaugh Yes and no. It all depends on what definition you are currently using for death. Technically no they aren't dead in the same sense that cryonics patients are not dead because dead means dead forever. But in a clinical sense and in past and some current situations you are considered legally dead. For instance if a patient is terminal with DNR they can be prononced dead after cardiac arrest despite the real posibility of revival with a defibulator. So as you see the definition changes
@DK0526 My point was that in Mary shellys time you were dead when your heart stopped or went into v-fib. There was no defib or CPR available or more correctly accepted. To use shocks to pause and restart a heart would have very well been looked upon as gohlish or foolish just as cryonics is looked at as impossible today. History repeats itself. Despite mountains of evidence in areas of related science such as stemcell regeneration, clonning, nanotech ect. People just dont get it or understand it
@DK0526 as for defibulators bringing back the dead. Well if you go into v-fib and you dont have a defibulator handy you are infact considered dead by many people. I believe that you have entered the death process. After some time more and more of your cells will die but it takes many hours and can even take yrs under the right temperatures. Death and necrosis speed up at higher temperatures. Temperature is a huge factor and the reason why children have been brought back after hours in ice water.
@DK0526 so you have dead, and you have dead and frozen. I only believe this psuedo science to have merit if people were still frozen if they were alive! Its one thing for people to say they might have a chance at actually reviving the person in the future and THEN having a cure.... but to say "HEY we are going to unfreeze you, cure youre disease and THEN bring you back to lif etoo! now let me get back into my flying car"
@FutureLaugh Let me ask you a few questions.. Do you Know what Moore's law is? Do you know what Molecular Nanotechnology is? How about stemcell regeneration? I have shown examples of the definition of death changing because of technology..do you think technology will continue to change the definition? Or do you think we humans are as smart as we can ever be and there is nothing else left to learn in medicine? BTW your flying car is comming sooner then you think? Because of Moore's law!
@DK0526 yes i know about all 3 of those sciences and not one of them has anything to do with reviving the dead. *Moores law is about the advancements in computer hardware and has nothing to do with flying cars may i add* The technology you mentioned CAN restore damaged cells and diseased people but cant reverse the aging process or bring back dead people. thats like saying we can bring back roadkill by repairing the damage, at the end of the day its still dead
@FutureLaugh If you aerodynamics & flying cars you would understand that computers have everything to do with flying cars. The reason we dont have them is because we dont have 100 % pilotless VTOL vechicles baring the expensive military ones because of computer hardware costs that are directly related to Moore's law. In Fact, the ramifications of Moore's law is why we have an internet that effects every aspect of human endeavors. Moore's law has everything to do with bringing back the dead>>
@DK0526 >>I challenge you to walk into any Hospital ER that has been changed dramatically by Moore's law. Advancements in computer hardware has directly led to cheaper biphasic defibulators to be used rather then the older high energy monophasic defibulators already saving more lives. The whole human genome project which has huge medical implications was completed because of hardware advances related to Moore's law. In fact, Ageing itself is now being looked at as a genetic software issue. >>
@DK0526 I could name 1000's of such examples Moore's law is really a smaller manifestation of the law of accelerating returns. BTW do a search on the mollner.com. Computer stabiliazation at a reasonable cost is the missing link. Do you know about the law of accelerating returns? If you have read anything about molecular Nanotechnology you would know that Erik Drexler who coined the phrase Nanotechnology explained how nanorobots could restore life to cryonics patients in Engines of Creation.>>>
@DK0526 Drexler who holds multiple PHD's from MIT has even shown that life itself is the result of trillions of nanomolecular machines working with convergent assemly to create all life. As we learn how to reprogram these and other artificial molecular machines we will be able to not only control all life but all matter on a planet with atomic precision. Please go to my channel or do a search on Ray Kurzweil or Ralph Merkle and see for yourself what the smartest people on earth are up to!
@FutureLaugh Also so maybe you can understand where I am comming from....A frozen young healthy person is almost no better off then a decrepid disease riddled very old clearly dead by todays conventional standards person who is frozen. Why? Because cryonics does nothing to repair molecular damage which occurs in both examples under the best of circumstances. What cryonics does is it saves structural integrity of the organism, saves encoded synaptic brain structure, & saves DNA for clonning or>>
@DK0526 >>or stem cell regeneration. Both people are no better off with out the future advent of molecular nanotechnology. Once we develope this technology then the old decrepid dead guy can be repaired on a molecular level to that of the younger man including a reversal of damage done by freezing itself. Of course if MNT never happens then cryonics probably wont work but if it does then all those who choose burial or cremation will be looked back upon as the foolish ones. History repeats itself
I wanna do that when I'm like 17 so i can still be a teen and have a long life to live in the future if they do find a cure for it. (I'm 13 just to letcha know)
@XxDeAdLyCuPcAkExX If Cryonics can be reversed then you get to come back at any age you choose. Why? Because nanotechnology can reprogram, replace, or repair cells. Making you younger would be easier then the process of reanimation after freezing. So if you get revived it will be implied that you can come back as young as you choose.
@machetazos1 If your asking about cost...around 28,000 which can be covered by extreemly cheap term life insurance for maybe less then 20$ a month or less then cigarettes or junk food!
@machetazos1 considering you are funding liquid nitrogen indefinatly with facility overhead...absolutely cheap but with proper investing the interest should do fine to pay everything.
@1980Invasiontour then why live at all? Your argument seems to support suicide. Our times are not perfect but then are far less brutal, hateful, and horrid compared to times of past. Need I remind you of the Nazi's, the dark ages, spanish inqusistion, Roman collasiums, or millions of yrs of tribe or cave law. We actually have it 1000's of times better...maybe we are just collectively spoiled compared to our ancestors.
@DK0526 I think the Recent DEATH toll in Iraq War is up to a new HIGH! I am Very aware of History DK, My Great Great Grandfather fought for the CSA in the Civil War and Died with a Minni Ball in his Ass..My grandfather fought the GERMANS in WW2..It's coming Very close to the end. If everyone was the same DK the world would be a very BORING place to live.
@1980Invasiontour I hate to sound like a constant nay sayer but I also have military roots in my family and personal experience. I think the war in Iraq is tragic but pales in comparrison to historical war. Actually, The war is and or was over in less then a week. What you see now is our military serving as police in the war against Iraqi crime. In that context crime never ends. How many people die in every major city in the world because of crime. When will that end...sadly perhaps never!
My mother was RN for 14 years she has seen alot people die, And she says you can almost Feel there Sprit leave, Not to say It's all BLACK after this but, Those to say when you die you wake up in a fresh Womb? Who knows? I do know i won't be coming back to this place..
@1980Invasiontour I work in Emergency medicine myself. I have never felt or seen any spirits leaving. I have no authority on the after life. I am only talking about saving patients lives . Do you think its wrong to give people CPR or to shock them to bring them back? We do that all the time in emergency medicine. Those people would be dead but we intervened and brought them back. I have never met anyone who complained about being brought back to this world. Why is cryonics any different?
@DK0526 You seem to have a Anwser for everything DK, I like that...Cpr shock treakments are fine in an Emergeny But, When Brain Dead all stops firing in YOUR brain.I think that it is Impossible to Kickstart a Person back into Reallity..It's like TIME TRAVLE it's a lovly thing to Imagine about but don't hold you're breathe Either. I'll ask you a question do you think BRAIN TRANSPLANTS can be a thing of the Future?How do you feel about Autopshy's? You sound like a Very well Informed person.
@1980Invasiontour in certain stages of deep hypothermia people who have survived ice water drownings have in fact had no brain activity. There is also a type of hypothermic brain surgery in which the brain is cooled and drained of blood. These people were in effect brain dead no brain waves, but apperantly not dead enough to be brought back. Time travel requires new technology. Cryonics only requires application of existing knowledge. ie clonning, stemcell, molecular nanotechnology....
@DK0526 ..We are not there yet but we have the specific plan or blueprint. A brain transplant makes no sense since the brain is who you are but mind uploading is another topic and it may be possible. I am for autopsies as long as the person is not attempting cryonics in which case the autopsy would destroy/ kill the person. Thank you I am very educated on the subject and I hope to enlighten others.
@DK0526 I guess you're right...When your goverment wants to keep the world population to i Believe 5 Billion..Don't see them caring or WANTING to bring back Humans.
@1980Invasiontour There are many confused people in government some are certified idiots..do a youtube search on Hank Williams Guam and enjoy some laughs. The world is far from over populated. The Oceans are 7/10th of the world. Sky scrapers, deserts, mountains, and 200 miles below the earths crust are mostly empty but fertile space. That doesnt even scratch the surface. What about astroids, moons, other planets, the whole universe is pretty big. Its up to us to teraform the world...also....
@DK0526 everyone has loved ones that they'd like to see alive. Would you want to save your grandparents, parents ect. They probably would feel the same about thier loved ones on back to us. Yrs ago they didnt have cpr and defibulators. Would people have used it to save lives back then if they had that technology? I think yes. Well in the future we will probably have advanced nanotechnology that we dont have today. why not take an ambulence ride to the future? A future that is sure to be better!
@DK0526 Think of it this way. If you really think about it we are truly 100's if not 1000's of times better off then our ancestors. This trend known as (the law of accelerating returns) is very likely to continue. Despite thousands of doomsday predictions averaging every 15 yrs since the begining of recorded history we have survived and prospered. If Nanotech solves the cryonics problem which it looks like it might then there will be spin off technology that will improve the human condition too.
@DK0526 In the 50/60's the soviets were gonna blow us up. In the 1970's the media predicted starvation and global cooling. In the 1980's they said that california and flordia were going to fall in the ocean. The plantitary alignment was supposed to kill us all. In the 90's it was Sadam and nostradumis. remember y2k? Now global warming is fizzling out and they are calling it global climate change..or the "weather?" Simple fact is tradgedy sells news. Fear makes money! We are tougher then that!
@DK0526 hi! are you scientist? or you simply like to read a lot? what is your area of study? I'm not familiar (or care much about) with this concept of cyrogenics, the subject I am more interested in is robotics. What is your opinion on this? In, say, 30-50 years time, do you think we may buy robots at a furniture store the way we buy a washing machines or stoves? I'm quite anxious to see what the future has in store for humanity as far as artificial human beings, I dare to say that technology
@worldatmyfingertips7 is very primitive at this point in history but given time and thanks to the subject of nanotechnology it will advance exponentially. I do have a little problem understanding a robot and it has to do with its identity. It is very difficult for me conceive the idea of a machine that has thoughts, feelings or emotions of its own like we do. It is simply irrational! With the appropiate technology this concepts can "easily" be incorporated on the machine thus giving it a
@worldatmyfingertips7 realistic appearance but Isaac Asimov's concept of "I think therefore I exist" of robots is way too comprehend at least in our time. What is your opinion on this?? The simple statement "I like Youtube videos" coming from a person makes sense because that person has feelings, emotions and so many other inner ideas that a robotic entity could never have, maybe? I can imagine a machine saying this same statement but it would be just a "cheap" imitation of the real thing
@worldatmyfingertips7 simply because it doesn't feel anything it is just a piece of metal and plastic. To even try and comprehend the complications of "interpreting" this feelings and emotions to then make a program that would turn into the first real robotic machine constructed can drive anybody to madness I suppose. What do you think about this?
Ya Allah... They people try to create a zombie...? sort of...? If someone or something died... you just buried them thats the cure...
HeavenXxX 1 week ago
How the fuck are you gonna come back to life if all the blood in your body is drained whoever came up with this is a fucking dumbass
aliensupremacy2 2 weeks ago
0:56 I Have That Same Sleeping Bag!
MrNosnitram 4 months ago
Is the man still in cryonic suspension? If so, who's paying for the maintenance?
Mufaso1000 4 months ago
@Mufaso1000 a perpetual trust fund much like a cemetary endowment! The interest on the money he paid through life insurance is enough to keep him in Liquid Nitrogen indefinately!
DK0526 1 month ago in playlist The Faces Of Death Videos
@DK0526 He must have had a gigantic insurance policy. How much does it cost per year to keep him like this?
Mufaso1000 1 month ago
@Mufaso1000 If it was with CI, then 28,000$. Small term life insurance policies are usually sold in 25,000$ blocks. very cheap. A pittlely 1% return would pay out 280$ every a yr forever. enough to keep him in LN2 indefinately. In contrast, a heart transplant avgs $700,000 and may even kill you. Here you have no place to go but back to life and no bickering with a health insurance company. Unless you kill yourself or are murdered, life insurance pays off without question. All in all a fair deal!
DK0526 1 month ago
@DK0526 25,000 in term life insurance is less then 10$ a month for a young non smoker! That means you can easily spend more on cigarrettes or a junk food habit that causes you health problems while you could have a chance at near immortality and perpetual youth in a very technologically advanced and wealthy future...probably with cheap space travel and universal human health, beauty, and technology rivalling magic of lore! You have little to lose very much to gain!
DK0526 1 month ago
@DK0526 This is worth looking in to! Thanks.
Mufaso1000 1 month ago
Did they freeze his soul?
princessgumbo 4 months ago in playlist The Faces Of Death Videos
@princessgumbo why not?
DK0526 1 month ago in playlist The Faces Of Death Videos
what about freezer burn??
mlwigg 5 months ago in playlist The Faces Of Death Videos
@mlwigg
You can bet on it that his cells were all damaged right after the freezing procedure
bassmajor 4 months ago
@bassmajor some surely were but not all and this is why embryos are routinely frozen with no Ill effect. Also stem cells can replaces any damaged cells with new ones just as your immune system does..only much more efficiently in the future! Also Vitrification has minimized freezing damage so that many many cells survive fully intact! You only need 1 cell out of trillions to clone a whole person!
DK0526 1 month ago in playlist The Faces Of Death Videos
@mlwigg freezer burn is a result of humidity at much much warmer temperatures in a conventional freezer. In the future any such damages will be reversed via science that does not yet exist...but very likely will because it is based on molecular nanosystems that already exist in nature within all living organisms. nature is the example of what is not impossible...even today we have artic wood frogs that freeze solid and awake on thier own!
DK0526 1 month ago in playlist The Faces Of Death Videos
sleeping bag..
DoubleZero8 5 months ago in playlist The Faces Of Death Videos
When was this made.....1977?
MrBedrock82 7 months ago in playlist The Faces Of Death Videos
As for how do you revive a head? Well even if 1 cell out of trillions survives freezing and we know it will. ie embryo example. Then you have a complete DNA blueprint for your body at a youthful state. Thats why clonning and adult stem cells are possible. Nature is using that info to build a new you when these procedure are done. To grow a new body from the neck stub down is similar to growing a whole body via clonning. But were not just talking about creating an identical twin. Your mind is >>>
DK0526 8 months ago
>>>the 2nd peice of information after your DNA. Your minds information ie memory, mind, thoughts, personality, everything is encoded in the neural structure of your brain. The tangled mess of neurons and synaptic connections structurally encode the software within the brain. So you need to freeze the brain to save the mind and freeze at least one cell to get the DNA blueprint to fix or replace everything within the frozen patient. Thats the plan anyhow? I will send you evidence of my claims...
DK0526 8 months ago
"Here's one I fucked up earlier!"
01984lockyer 8 months ago
so looks like you agree with me, great.
grahamek77 8 months ago
@grahamek77 cryonics could allow us to live as long as possible. No one in cryonics has suggested that you would be immortal...it is noncryonicists only who have suggested this. There are many myths and misconceptions about cryonics that are untrue. Cryonicists do not view frozen people as dead but as patients in a near death state. Sure they are legally dead but the law has been wrong before. 100 yrs ago you were dead when your heart stopped, today we defibulate and revive those once "dead"!!!
DK0526 8 months ago
@grahamek77 I'm glad I could clear things up for you. There is many people who have trouble understanding the concept of cryonics. It is not for the faint of heart or simple mind.
DK0526 8 months ago
@DK0526
I seem to have found an expert. I've seen defrosted fruit, and it's just a mush. As I understand, freezing organic material often results in a change in molecular structure. How could a human body, especially if it's just a head, be brought back to life or even be considered 'partially dead' ? No sarcasm or irony intended - just a serious question.
grahamek77 8 months ago
and feel free to add further reading.
grahamek77 8 months ago
@grahamek77 Yes fruit is a biological tissue which is designed after frost to decompose while seeding the next generation of plant. The cellular membranes of fruit are much more fragile the those of an animal or insect. Ask your self why they store sperm, eggs, embryos, and DNA samples at LN2 temps and why these cells are turned to mush. In fact, people are walking around today that where once frozen to liquid nitrogen temps (as embryos that is) so our cells are not the same as fruit. However >
DK0526 8 months ago
>however> to simply try and thaw a full sized non embryo human after LN2 temps would be useless with todays technology. You would need to introduce molecular nanotechnolgy (tiny replicating robots) to bridge and fixate tissue while doing repairs and swap out of molecules before thawing. These machines would be very similar to existing biological machines that also replicate and do repairs and swap out molecules. These machines could operate at colder temps then room air and work more efficiently
DK0526 8 months ago
Those nanomachines do not exist yet except for the natural ones in our bodies now. Some day according to the laws of accelerating returns and Moore's law we will have advanced control over matter on a molecular scale and then we wont need the ambulence ride (that is cryonics) to get us to that possible future. Maybe 50 yrs maybe 500 only time will tell for those who are wise enough to try? It doesnt matter how long it takes for society to advance for a cryopreserved person it is only a moment.
DK0526 8 months ago
if they didn't revive Mr Berkowitz I don't think he'd care
FAMEROB 9 months ago
@FAMEROB He would care as much as a person who goes under the knife during surgery! The person in surgery is unconscious so he cares about nothing...he isnt even thinking! However he had a reasonable expectation that those he has entrusted his care to would revive him. Mr Berkowitz has the same pre conscious expectation! A moral society will do all in its power to fullfill it at some future date...just as we care for the sick today!
DK0526 1 month ago
thumbs up if you're really high right now.
sabbathtage25 9 months ago
This will only be sufficed until,say, an earthquake hits the storage facility and the capsules get either buried or severly damaged. It's in California,so it may happen.
lnknprkkrngcsp 9 months ago
FAIL - google Samuel Berkowitz - he won't be coming back
btw - this whole thing is so wrong
grahamek77 10 months ago
@grahamek77 why do you feel this way?
DK0526 8 months ago
@DK0526
apart from the fact I don't think we should aspire to live forever, and that the world can't support a population of immortal human beings, apart from that the procedure is massively expensive, a lot of relatives end up terminating the program in the end (so lots of money spent and you still have a corpse at the end of it) and medical science should be focusing on keeping people alive, not on freezing dead bodies which we can be 99,9999% sure will not be resurrected.
grahamek77 8 months ago
@grahamek77 perhaps we shouldn't aspire to live forever yet trying to just live as long as possible is supported by every major religion and nontheist human endeavors. This is why we exercise, diet, and go to the doctor. In the last 100 yrs as a result we have tripled the natural human life span. There is no reason to think with molecular nanotech that we cant expand the human life span by 1000's of yrs. Immortality is forever and I doubt any technology can last forever. As for expense it is>>>
DK0526 8 months ago
>>The expense is relative. CI charges $28,000 for a interest compounding acct that lasts indefinately without family payment. In contrast, how much does a heart transplant cost? which could kill you. Presumably you can be any worse off in cryonic suspension then you were just before you get frozen. If cryonics works then by defacto it is medical science that is keeping these people alive. Since dead is final they would have to be redefined as deadly unconscious in cardiac arrest and brain arrest
DK0526 8 months ago
Cryonics has a good chance because of molecular nanotechnology which will exist. If you think Molecular nanotechnology is fiction think again. The natural version of nanotech is what allows all life to exist in the first place. You cant have life without nanotech so since we are alive nanotech is possible and even likely to be controlled by man. Once we have control over the structure of matter we can fix, replace and heal any human tissue as easy as swapping out parts in a car. Think about it!
DK0526 8 months ago
...also The planet may be under stress because of the curent human population yet with nanotechnology there is plenty of room. The earth has 7/10s oceans that are hardly inhabited, the deserts, the mountains, the north and south polls. Under the earth and in high sky scrapers and other areas that were once wastelands could harber humans not to mention the vast size of the universe and space colonization that would happen through nanotechnology and accelerating advancements (see moores law)
DK0526 8 months ago
Most important "part" of human body is brain all other "parts" are just peripheries
LucasSpecjal 10 months ago
That's pretty cool
DaKurlzz08 10 months ago
So this is Walt Disney did...
phoenixhalberd09 10 months ago
@phoenixhalberd09
No, he didn't. That was just a rumor.
Treemeadow 9 months ago
Man this is a good idea on writing a sci-fi story
ZBone12 10 months ago
How funny of them to even think something like that. Humans i tell you!!
minhaj18 10 months ago
...suspension failure of this sort was of Samuel Berkowitz, who was frozen in July 1978 and stored at Trans Time’s facility in northern California. I understand that, as the relatives who were funding the suspension began to lose interest and/or wherewithal, an offer was made to continue the suspension as a neuro (head-only) free of charge, but it was turned down. Instead in October 1983 they had Berkowitz thawed, submerged in formaldehyde, and buried that way [
Loneeeey 11 months ago
pure non sense.....
muhajidin21 11 months ago
@muhajidin21 You can say that ,,,,but you have absolutely no proof that it is nonsense!
DK0526 1 month ago
XD never gonna work
RepnKillaCali 11 months ago
@RepnKillaCali why? ....give one shread of proof it wouldn't!
DK0526 1 month ago
futurama! totally! lol
208jodi 11 months ago
iceland does this cheaper
kingbleah 1 year ago
@kingbleah artic ice temps are much too warm
DK0526 1 month ago
FROZEN ZOMBIESSSSSS RUNNNN!!!!!!!!!!
sillykatz 1 year ago
Haha its not possible wouldnt all of his blood cells desintegrate?
cenyan13 1 year ago
@cenyan13 absolutely not...for the same reason we currently freeze sperm, eggs, and embryos!
DK0526 1 month ago
This is just wrong. What guarantee do you have that you'll be reanimated or brought back to life? Whoever is storing your body can just take your money and run and there's nothing you can do about it!
liddlebopeep 1 year ago
@liddlebopeep You will at least have a chance to live. However if you don't sign up and get cremated of buried ...you get a absolute guarantee of death! There are no guarantees in life but this at least gives you a chance...kind of like an experimental cancer treatment...where you have nothing to lose!
DK0526 1 month ago
am never buying from farm foods again
81bigmark 1 year ago
I tried this with frozen chikens, they allways end up on my plate
thesuperdouradas 1 year ago
sarcastic tone: great...thats just what we need! to preserve the rich and greedy
smoke1done 1 year ago
This is such a scam to take people' s money - sorry fella but there is no cure for death.
CaneFu 1 year ago 6
"Good luck, Mr. Berkowitz.."
GetThatDoughBoy81 1 year ago 21
Unfortunatly this man Samual Berkowitz was unfrozen and buried in a cask of formaldehyde so he wont be coming back for those of you who didnt know. but as for nanotechnology as far as ive seen they have only been able to make a "nanotube" or a tube like struceure of nano size, and though i personally think the concept of nanomachines are possible, I just cant believe that they really have not come close to making any kind of nanomachine unless its just really that complicated
ap327145 1 year ago
@ap327145 Nanotechnology is certainly possible...when you think of it life itself is an example of natural nanotechnology in action right now. Deconstructing and reverse egineering the physics of life is indeed very complicated but as the human Genome project, stem cell research, clonning , and other biosciences are showing we are beginning to unravel these mysteries. There is no reason to think we will not continue to advance technologically as moore's law predicts.
DK0526 1 year ago
the guy was encapsulated at 78 years of age, even if he were to come back to life it would be a short stint
EJ : Micheal Jordan's Wizards
sehoujay 1 year ago
@sehoujay Thats not how Nanotechnology works....In fact, it would be easier to reverse his age then repair freezing damage. So implied in his awakening is health and perpetual youth. If Nanotechnology ever reaches the critical stage that Moores law says it will then complete control over molecular structure will both fix freezing damage, and restore youth and health for a very long time. BTW he will also have material wealth greater then anyone alive today again by default of technology.
DK0526 1 year ago
@sehoujay hahahahaha..
GetThatDoughBoy81 1 year ago
Nanotechnology is almost garunteed to happen....why? Because of Moore's law and the law of accelerating returns. These laws are inescapable and factually woven into the physics of reality. With out these laws we wouldnt have natural nanotechnology better known as "biological life". Life itself is the template for manmade nanotechnology which will change everything and make humans super human and will also bring back Berkowitz to 100% health and vitality.
DK0526 1 year ago
Burkowitz is gonna fuckin trip balls when he wakes up.
Creaturefiend565 1 year ago
@Creaturefiend565 He will wake up completely healed and young around 25 with all his wisdom and memories in tact. He will be in a world in which matter obeys the commands of humans because of molecular nanotechnology. He will have God like power over matter. Space flight and space colonization will be routine. Robots and AI will be everywhere waiting to obey his commands. He will be wealthy and powerful beyound his wildest dreams. All humans will be by then. Nanotech will change everything!
DK0526 1 year ago
if this works i guess their "soul" is in a state of suspension.....
tiner1891hkr 1 year ago
@tiner1891hkr Its hard to determine what the soul would be doing since by definition the soul is supernatural. Thus it is unmeasurable by us non supernatural types. However, what ever state the soul is in it appears to be in a similar situation to that of some one in cardiac arrest or in a cold water drowning or other deeply unconscious situation. Through deductive reasoning we can say that yes if we are suspended then so is our soul however you define the "soul" or weither you believe in it.
DK0526 1 year ago
fucking barmey
howden123456 1 year ago
I really want to be encapsulated now. That's awesome.
gremlin66n 1 year ago
@gremlin66n sign up
DK0526 1 year ago
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This bitch will be brain dead when and if he gets revived!
halon08 1 year ago
Hitler from the past no way!!
Timx4 1 year ago
@Timx4 How about Einstein, Davinchi, or Thomas Jefferson?
DK0526 1 year ago
@DK0526 We will recreate another monster/
Timx4 1 year ago
@Timx4 If you are refering to Frankenstien...let me remind you that the story was fiction. Furthermore, there were people looking at electrical defibulation as far back as when Mary Shelly wrote that fairy tail and the novel had such a fearful effect that Cardiac defibulation took another 100+ years to develope. Today thousands are saved and not a single one has become a monster!
DK0526 1 year ago
@DK0526 We need new people for the future, not people in the past. It's doesn;t make sense
Timx4 1 year ago
@Timx4 Following that logic we should close down all hospitals, fire all doctors,& close down pharmacutical companies. This way we could insure only young people survive. This is essentially what we had for most of humanity prior to the industrial revolution when the avg life expectantcy was a mere 33. Is that what you are advocating? Because where do you draw the line at? The natural 33 limit or the current 87 limit. Who are you to deem someone who is 110 too old to live. Wisdom comes with age!
DK0526 1 year ago
@DK0526 fuck that im 33
ty1977 1 year ago
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DK0526 1 year ago
@DK0526 god bless you brother
ty1977 1 year ago
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DK0526 1 year ago
this movie makes me hungry
Ziplock74 1 year ago
Was the first man Disney or someone else?
num1Jaysta 1 year ago
@num1Jaysta Disney was never frozen....that was another common fail myth propagated by the incompetent news media.
DK0526 1 year ago
retarded.
BeautifullyEmotional 1 year ago
does it work, show me the results this is so interesting
localSickened 1 year ago
@localSickened We think it will work. If we had concrete results then we wouldnt need cryonics because we would have advanced molecular nanotechnology and then cryonics would have been proven to have once been a worth cause. Cryonics is not the cure but instead the ambulence ride to the future that may be the cure. search my youtube channle and see for yourself why we think it will work. Enjoy
DK0526 1 year ago
Only Good can do that..Revelations 21:4
Yadimom82 1 year ago
@Yadimom82 Perhaps "God" is using cryonics & Nanotech as a vessle to fulfill Rev 21:4
That would be consistant with Christ's commandment to his followerss to "Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead. . . ." (Matt. 10:8) Either way I would be careful to question God's will or even Cryonics before you fully understand the will of both. Cryonics aims to heal the sick, to cure disease, to extend life and place the proper value on human life that we should all adhere to and respect.
DK0526 1 year ago
@DK0526 to me cryonics is just going to make it possible for very rich men to possibly be in the future. honestly the world would be better with out them. this should be a procedure people earn by being great and prophetic men, because if they did this to everyone it would be pointless and too much stuff to handle. only legends would want to wake up with their family, friends, and their loved one dead anyway
notrealy180217 1 year ago
@notrealy180217 Actually cryonics is cheaper then a heart transplant. CI cost 28,000 funded by life insurance. A heart transplant cost approx 700,000 funded by health insurance. We dont make judgments weither someone is worthy of health care based on fame. We help all that we can reasonably help. Thats what makes us Human. However, the Nazis made judgments about who was worthy of life or not...I dont think we should emulate the Nazi's rather we should work to just save lives and heal the sick.
DK0526 1 year ago
@Yadimom82 get the fuck out with the god shit
lwvok 1 year ago
@lwvok
Yadimom82 10 months ago
preserving life... by freezing you to death!!
ricardosantizo 1 year ago
@ricardosantizo hypothermic treatments are already being used today in medicine. Cooling is already saving human lives in the medical community. look up hypothermic medicine.
DK0526 1 year ago
@DK0526 how can u possibly save yourself if you cease to live, by living i mean breathing and waking up and stuff like that u know...
ricardosantizo 1 year ago
@ricardosantizo It similar to saving your self when your unconscious. IE you save up and purchase health insurance and when or if you have a massive heart attack. Your insurance pays for your heart surgery that saves you then under the right conditions you wake to help others to do the same. Cryonics is medicine and medicine is the ultimate expression of compassion twards humanity. Those frozen are not dead rather they are deeply unconscious.
DK0526 1 year ago
The only thing that makes me wonder is that in order to reverse the cryonic process alone, wouldnt it require the cure of all cures? How ever they do it nanomedicine, body regeneration, etc, it would be the ultimate cure for pretty much any illness. Wouldnt it be a world where with this technology everyone in the future would be able to live however long they wanted to, makes you wonder if this will actually ever happen.
ap327145 1 year ago
@ap327145 Yes Nanomedicine as envisioned would be the cure of all cures. All but catastrophic trauma or nano weapons would cause death at that point. perhaps a star going supernova. But remeber Nanotech would be every where and the universe would be easilly teraformed and the future would by defacto be a really great and powerful place. It is hard to imagine the amount of technology that we will have at our disposal. It will border on godlike magical control of all matter for all.
DK0526 1 year ago
@coptersoisoi opps I didnt catch that. But I am glad you see the rational in cryonics. But even today people have survived past 45 in cardiac arrest or with no blood flow to the brain and no brain damage. How? Ice water drownings, children frozen solid out side, hypothermic brain surgery. and Human embryos frozen in liquid nitrogen. Even though this is extreemly rare it points to light at the end of the tunnle for those who believe science will continue to advance and solve the death problem.
DK0526 1 year ago
HE HAS AN INNY NOW, NOT AN OUTTY
MexicanKola 1 year ago
@coptersoisoi legally and clinically, yes he died, but technically or actually he probably didn't. The only correct and truly scientific answer is (we will have to wait and see). If he is woken up due to advanced future medicine it will not be bringing someone back from the dead. It will be simply waking up a very sick and deeply unconscious patient. The definition of what death is is always changing. It has changed in the past and is certain to change in the future.
DK0526 1 year ago
poor guy if some jackass comes up to this case having a degree straight out of the cereal box. life would suck balls witnessing this from where samuel is :P
TheGarcia350 1 year ago
@TheGarcia350 yes best to keep jack asses away. Until science developes molecular nanotechnology life will indeed suck balls for Samuel but at least he will have the chance to see if that MNT is ever developed. Also If MNT is developed all the people who didnt sign up with cryonics and who could have will truly be the sad ball suckers.
DK0526 1 year ago
@DK0526 erm, lol? ._.
TheGarcia350 1 year ago
thumbs up if you clicked on this vid without knowing what encapsulation was!!!
Strikerx20 1 year ago 346
@Strikerx20 Nope ! I was just looking for a nice chocolat chip cookie recipe and somehow I ended up here...go figure ?
luc649 1 year ago
@luc649 No shit!
Me too!!!!!
Danibug1019 1 year ago
ONE thing is creating a cure... but how are you going to bring somebody back to life???
FutureLaugh 1 year ago
@FutureLaugh That is really a question of semantics. The premise in cryonics is that you are not really technically dead. Sure you are legally dead and clinically dead but many of your cells are still alive long after legal death. Its just that today we can not reverse most legal deaths but in the future we will be able to so then by definition you were not really dead but just deeply unconscious. Death has many definitions that have changed many times over the yrs depending on what we know.
DK0526 1 year ago
@DK0526 no way man, after you die all your cells begin to shut down like a machine, thats why within an hour you will be stiff and decomposing and stink up the place. This sounds like a grift man; if they were still alive or in a coma then ide say give it a shot but freezing a dead guy is a great idea if you want to thaw out a dead guy 100 years from now. Maybe they can make a puppet out of him and send shocks down his back and make him do tricks...
FutureLaugh 1 year ago
@FutureLaugh The key word being "begin". After even 48 hours of room temp many of the trillions and trillions of cells in a human are still alive. In fact it only takes 1 cell out of trillions to clone molecular parts to repair and even replace damaged cells. Death is not a event it is a process. What you may be confused with is the fact that under current technology we can not reperfuse cells or reanimate organisms after more then 5 mins of warm cardiac arrest. There is a big difference.
DK0526 1 year ago
@DK0526 you are leaving a lot up to science fiction, who is to say science can ever bring back a person from death? Mary Shelly wrote about it and 200 years later what advancements do we have? A frozen grandpah and an IOU one live grandpah BLANK set years from now when we invent a cure for death?
FutureLaugh 1 year ago
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DK0526 1 year ago
Sadly her novel scared the daylights out of the people. Back then electricity was new and scientists noted that it could be applied to a dead frogs legs to make them twitch. It was fear that pushed back this science for another 150 yrs untill the first cardiac defibulators were developed to in fact shock the dead back to life. For the last 50 yrs defibulators have brought back many people from certain death...despite the Frankenstien stigma and fear caused by Mary Shelly.
DK0526 1 year ago
@DK0526 Dont get me wrong I enjoyed the Frankenstien story myself but I see it as nothing more the scary sci-fi entertainment designed to appeal to the masses. True science proceeds despite the BS drummed up by writers and hollywood. It may take longer because of public fear and ignorance but in the end science prevales. Cryonics is based on sound science and logical reasoning that people who are dead by todays definition may not be dead by tomarrows definition. Defibulators changed many minds!
DK0526 1 year ago
@DK0526 defibulators dont bring dead people back to life, it contracts the muscles in the heart and gets it restarted back in its normal rhythm when somebody has a cardiac arrest
FutureLaugh 1 year ago
@FutureLaugh Yes and no. It all depends on what definition you are currently using for death. Technically no they aren't dead in the same sense that cryonics patients are not dead because dead means dead forever. But in a clinical sense and in past and some current situations you are considered legally dead. For instance if a patient is terminal with DNR they can be prononced dead after cardiac arrest despite the real posibility of revival with a defibulator. So as you see the definition changes
DK0526 1 year ago
@DK0526 My point was that in Mary shellys time you were dead when your heart stopped or went into v-fib. There was no defib or CPR available or more correctly accepted. To use shocks to pause and restart a heart would have very well been looked upon as gohlish or foolish just as cryonics is looked at as impossible today. History repeats itself. Despite mountains of evidence in areas of related science such as stemcell regeneration, clonning, nanotech ect. People just dont get it or understand it
DK0526 1 year ago
@DK0526 as for defibulators bringing back the dead. Well if you go into v-fib and you dont have a defibulator handy you are infact considered dead by many people. I believe that you have entered the death process. After some time more and more of your cells will die but it takes many hours and can even take yrs under the right temperatures. Death and necrosis speed up at higher temperatures. Temperature is a huge factor and the reason why children have been brought back after hours in ice water.
DK0526 1 year ago
@DK0526 so you have dead, and you have dead and frozen. I only believe this psuedo science to have merit if people were still frozen if they were alive! Its one thing for people to say they might have a chance at actually reviving the person in the future and THEN having a cure.... but to say "HEY we are going to unfreeze you, cure youre disease and THEN bring you back to lif etoo! now let me get back into my flying car"
FutureLaugh 1 year ago
@FutureLaugh Let me ask you a few questions.. Do you Know what Moore's law is? Do you know what Molecular Nanotechnology is? How about stemcell regeneration? I have shown examples of the definition of death changing because of technology..do you think technology will continue to change the definition? Or do you think we humans are as smart as we can ever be and there is nothing else left to learn in medicine? BTW your flying car is comming sooner then you think? Because of Moore's law!
DK0526 1 year ago
@DK0526 yes i know about all 3 of those sciences and not one of them has anything to do with reviving the dead. *Moores law is about the advancements in computer hardware and has nothing to do with flying cars may i add* The technology you mentioned CAN restore damaged cells and diseased people but cant reverse the aging process or bring back dead people. thats like saying we can bring back roadkill by repairing the damage, at the end of the day its still dead
FutureLaugh 1 year ago
@FutureLaugh If you aerodynamics & flying cars you would understand that computers have everything to do with flying cars. The reason we dont have them is because we dont have 100 % pilotless VTOL vechicles baring the expensive military ones because of computer hardware costs that are directly related to Moore's law. In Fact, the ramifications of Moore's law is why we have an internet that effects every aspect of human endeavors. Moore's law has everything to do with bringing back the dead>>
DK0526 1 year ago
@DK0526 >>I challenge you to walk into any Hospital ER that has been changed dramatically by Moore's law. Advancements in computer hardware has directly led to cheaper biphasic defibulators to be used rather then the older high energy monophasic defibulators already saving more lives. The whole human genome project which has huge medical implications was completed because of hardware advances related to Moore's law. In fact, Ageing itself is now being looked at as a genetic software issue. >>
DK0526 1 year ago
@DK0526 I could name 1000's of such examples Moore's law is really a smaller manifestation of the law of accelerating returns. BTW do a search on the mollner.com. Computer stabiliazation at a reasonable cost is the missing link. Do you know about the law of accelerating returns? If you have read anything about molecular Nanotechnology you would know that Erik Drexler who coined the phrase Nanotechnology explained how nanorobots could restore life to cryonics patients in Engines of Creation.>>>
DK0526 1 year ago
@DK0526 Drexler who holds multiple PHD's from MIT has even shown that life itself is the result of trillions of nanomolecular machines working with convergent assemly to create all life. As we learn how to reprogram these and other artificial molecular machines we will be able to not only control all life but all matter on a planet with atomic precision. Please go to my channel or do a search on Ray Kurzweil or Ralph Merkle and see for yourself what the smartest people on earth are up to!
DK0526 1 year ago
@FutureLaugh Also so maybe you can understand where I am comming from....A frozen young healthy person is almost no better off then a decrepid disease riddled very old clearly dead by todays conventional standards person who is frozen. Why? Because cryonics does nothing to repair molecular damage which occurs in both examples under the best of circumstances. What cryonics does is it saves structural integrity of the organism, saves encoded synaptic brain structure, & saves DNA for clonning or>>
DK0526 1 year ago
@DK0526 >>or stem cell regeneration. Both people are no better off with out the future advent of molecular nanotechnology. Once we develope this technology then the old decrepid dead guy can be repaired on a molecular level to that of the younger man including a reversal of damage done by freezing itself. Of course if MNT never happens then cryonics probably wont work but if it does then all those who choose burial or cremation will be looked back upon as the foolish ones. History repeats itself
DK0526 1 year ago
I wanna do that when I'm like 17 so i can still be a teen and have a long life to live in the future if they do find a cure for it. (I'm 13 just to letcha know)
XxDeAdLyCuPcAkExX 1 year ago
@XxDeAdLyCuPcAkExX If Cryonics can be reversed then you get to come back at any age you choose. Why? Because nanotechnology can reprogram, replace, or repair cells. Making you younger would be easier then the process of reanimation after freezing. So if you get revived it will be implied that you can come back as young as you choose.
DK0526 1 year ago
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you cant do that
frazanwar 1 year ago
WOW
antoinette757 1 year ago
i dont know what im looking at....
lordgwydion2 1 year ago
WTF
XOPINKTEAM 1 year ago
32 years
iao967 1 year ago
how much would something like this go over anyways???
machetazos1 1 year ago
@machetazos1 If your asking about cost...around 28,000 which can be covered by extreemly cheap term life insurance for maybe less then 20$ a month or less then cigarettes or junk food!
DK0526 1 year ago
@DK0526 thats extremely cheap if you ask me
machetazos1 1 year ago
@machetazos1 considering you are funding liquid nitrogen indefinatly with facility overhead...absolutely cheap but with proper investing the interest should do fine to pay everything.
DK0526 1 year ago
Dumb,Impossible...Burn ME UP!
1980Invasiontour 1 year ago
@1980Invasiontour That is your choice...care to answer why you feel that way? What is your reasoning?
DK0526 1 year ago
@DK0526 Reasoning? Who the Fuck would want to come back to this Hateful,Horrid times we live in? I'll let it rest.
1980Invasiontour 1 year ago
@1980Invasiontour then why live at all? Your argument seems to support suicide. Our times are not perfect but then are far less brutal, hateful, and horrid compared to times of past. Need I remind you of the Nazi's, the dark ages, spanish inqusistion, Roman collasiums, or millions of yrs of tribe or cave law. We actually have it 1000's of times better...maybe we are just collectively spoiled compared to our ancestors.
DK0526 1 year ago
@DK0526 I think the Recent DEATH toll in Iraq War is up to a new HIGH! I am Very aware of History DK, My Great Great Grandfather fought for the CSA in the Civil War and Died with a Minni Ball in his Ass..My grandfather fought the GERMANS in WW2..It's coming Very close to the end. If everyone was the same DK the world would be a very BORING place to live.
1980Invasiontour 1 year ago
@1980Invasiontour I hate to sound like a constant nay sayer but I also have military roots in my family and personal experience. I think the war in Iraq is tragic but pales in comparrison to historical war. Actually, The war is and or was over in less then a week. What you see now is our military serving as police in the war against Iraqi crime. In that context crime never ends. How many people die in every major city in the world because of crime. When will that end...sadly perhaps never!
DK0526 1 year ago
My mother was RN for 14 years she has seen alot people die, And she says you can almost Feel there Sprit leave, Not to say It's all BLACK after this but, Those to say when you die you wake up in a fresh Womb? Who knows? I do know i won't be coming back to this place..
1980Invasiontour 1 year ago
@1980Invasiontour I work in Emergency medicine myself. I have never felt or seen any spirits leaving. I have no authority on the after life. I am only talking about saving patients lives . Do you think its wrong to give people CPR or to shock them to bring them back? We do that all the time in emergency medicine. Those people would be dead but we intervened and brought them back. I have never met anyone who complained about being brought back to this world. Why is cryonics any different?
DK0526 1 year ago
@DK0526 You seem to have a Anwser for everything DK, I like that...Cpr shock treakments are fine in an Emergeny But, When Brain Dead all stops firing in YOUR brain.I think that it is Impossible to Kickstart a Person back into Reallity..It's like TIME TRAVLE it's a lovly thing to Imagine about but don't hold you're breathe Either. I'll ask you a question do you think BRAIN TRANSPLANTS can be a thing of the Future?How do you feel about Autopshy's? You sound like a Very well Informed person.
1980Invasiontour 1 year ago
@1980Invasiontour in certain stages of deep hypothermia people who have survived ice water drownings have in fact had no brain activity. There is also a type of hypothermic brain surgery in which the brain is cooled and drained of blood. These people were in effect brain dead no brain waves, but apperantly not dead enough to be brought back. Time travel requires new technology. Cryonics only requires application of existing knowledge. ie clonning, stemcell, molecular nanotechnology....
DK0526 1 year ago
@DK0526 ..We are not there yet but we have the specific plan or blueprint. A brain transplant makes no sense since the brain is who you are but mind uploading is another topic and it may be possible. I am for autopsies as long as the person is not attempting cryonics in which case the autopsy would destroy/ kill the person. Thank you I am very educated on the subject and I hope to enlighten others.
DK0526 1 year ago
@DK0526 I guess you're right...When your goverment wants to keep the world population to i Believe 5 Billion..Don't see them caring or WANTING to bring back Humans.
1980Invasiontour 1 year ago
@1980Invasiontour There are many confused people in government some are certified idiots..do a youtube search on Hank Williams Guam and enjoy some laughs. The world is far from over populated. The Oceans are 7/10th of the world. Sky scrapers, deserts, mountains, and 200 miles below the earths crust are mostly empty but fertile space. That doesnt even scratch the surface. What about astroids, moons, other planets, the whole universe is pretty big. Its up to us to teraform the world...also....
DK0526 1 year ago
@DK0526 everyone has loved ones that they'd like to see alive. Would you want to save your grandparents, parents ect. They probably would feel the same about thier loved ones on back to us. Yrs ago they didnt have cpr and defibulators. Would people have used it to save lives back then if they had that technology? I think yes. Well in the future we will probably have advanced nanotechnology that we dont have today. why not take an ambulence ride to the future? A future that is sure to be better!
DK0526 1 year ago
@DK0526 Think of it this way. If you really think about it we are truly 100's if not 1000's of times better off then our ancestors. This trend known as (the law of accelerating returns) is very likely to continue. Despite thousands of doomsday predictions averaging every 15 yrs since the begining of recorded history we have survived and prospered. If Nanotech solves the cryonics problem which it looks like it might then there will be spin off technology that will improve the human condition too.
DK0526 1 year ago
@DK0526 In the 50/60's the soviets were gonna blow us up. In the 1970's the media predicted starvation and global cooling. In the 1980's they said that california and flordia were going to fall in the ocean. The plantitary alignment was supposed to kill us all. In the 90's it was Sadam and nostradumis. remember y2k? Now global warming is fizzling out and they are calling it global climate change..or the "weather?" Simple fact is tradgedy sells news. Fear makes money! We are tougher then that!
DK0526 1 year ago
@DK0526 hi! are you scientist? or you simply like to read a lot? what is your area of study? I'm not familiar (or care much about) with this concept of cyrogenics, the subject I am more interested in is robotics. What is your opinion on this? In, say, 30-50 years time, do you think we may buy robots at a furniture store the way we buy a washing machines or stoves? I'm quite anxious to see what the future has in store for humanity as far as artificial human beings, I dare to say that technology
worldatmyfingertips7 1 year ago
@worldatmyfingertips7 is very primitive at this point in history but given time and thanks to the subject of nanotechnology it will advance exponentially. I do have a little problem understanding a robot and it has to do with its identity. It is very difficult for me conceive the idea of a machine that has thoughts, feelings or emotions of its own like we do. It is simply irrational! With the appropiate technology this concepts can "easily" be incorporated on the machine thus giving it a
worldatmyfingertips7 1 year ago
@worldatmyfingertips7 realistic appearance but Isaac Asimov's concept of "I think therefore I exist" of robots is way too comprehend at least in our time. What is your opinion on this?? The simple statement "I like Youtube videos" coming from a person makes sense because that person has feelings, emotions and so many other inner ideas that a robotic entity could never have, maybe? I can imagine a machine saying this same statement but it would be just a "cheap" imitation of the real thing
worldatmyfingertips7 1 year ago
@worldatmyfingertips7 simply because it doesn't feel anything it is just a piece of metal and plastic. To even try and comprehend the complications of "interpreting" this feelings and emotions to then make a program that would turn into the first real robotic machine constructed can drive anybody to madness I suppose. What do you think about this?
worldatmyfingertips7 1 year ago