Timothy Brindle - The Humility of Christ

[DreamingOutLoud33]

That's deep

[elohimthegods33]

no matter how people feel about the bible,it's always going to be the word of GOD,people can't vote it out by there opinions.

[georaine1]

8t sorry'all

This is so describe

Is a list i can do

I apologise 4 for living e crew

But the decission i... oh i love Timothy brindle Damn

[Justvisitinghere2]

WOW! Im not even a huge hip hop guy, but this is incredible and very Biblically accurate!! Whoever did this did a great job!! Praise God-gonna share on my facebook page:)  Peace

[TheGospelJan]

It is Good to be Born Again! This rapper seems to have it right...I love that he gives scriptural references. The way to know the truth of the bible is to read it for yourself.

[aloceljajohn14]

very moving, really nice :) God Bless us

[TheRebornjason]

this rap makes me tear..... thank you Jesus all the heavens and creation shout holy holy holy!!!

[TheRebornjason]

yeah this is gona be my favourite rap for now... just loving it so much.... yes!

[sankow2]

Thank you for the words and the Biblical referances. May the Lord of Hosts continue to guide and protect you.

[rpicket1]

this may be the most slept on song on his album. If he comes back out, he should remix this

[coreva]

What John Piper sermon plays at the start (date of it please?)

[threehappypenguins]

I was wondering the SAME thing!

I emailed lampmode and they said they would ask Timothy Brindle, but never got back to me. I also searched the Desiring God website and couldn't find anything. I emailed Desiring God, and they said they had no idea (they didn't ask John Piper either). :(

Sorry! Maybe you could do some research and track it down? Let me know if you find anything!

[RiseFromAshesXI]

I think all we have to do is find sermons dealing with the propitiation and/or the cross BEFORE or DURING the year 2005 when this album came out. Not that this helps us too much. But it's a bit of a start, removing four years of sermon searching. :)

[Maybeshesbornwithitt]

@coreva Sounds like Paul Washer to me.

[threehappypenguins]

@Maybeshesbornwithitt Most definitely NOT Paul Washer. Though Paul Washer has some really great sermons too!

[soluschristus23]

yo this is hot son!

[alieco]

tubester4567: May God have mercy on you. It's not a question of weather Jesus exists, He does exist and He is God. There should be no reason for argumentation. Did you create the heavens and the earth? I know you didn't so please humble yourself.

[virtuouswoman123]

Thank you Jesus...

[nnocon]

In this time and age, I don't understand why people possibly can believe this stuff.

The Bible has already been debunked, like a million times.

[Severion]

hahahahah.

proof?

or just ignorant chat?

[threehappypenguins]

@nnocon Really?! Oh no!!! Hold on... let me search for one of the ways that the bible has been debunked... oh wait... it hasn't.

Long live King Jesus!!!

[Googlenoodle21221]

@threehappypenguins amen brother! will see you in heaven and praise god himself! :D

[threehappypenguins]

@Googlenoodle21221 You mean, amen sister? I'm a woman. LOL

[Rhuanjl]

@threehappypenguins nah, he means brother, or at least he should, the Bible calls all christians be they male or female sons of God. In the cultures to which the epistles now comprising the bible were writen the son was always the heir of the estate as opposed to the daughter, so by calling all christians be they male or female God's sons the Bible is saying that we are all God's heirs and will all inherit a share in his kingdom.

[TheRebornjason]

@nnocon i am sorry time and age has nth to do with whether plp shld believe or not. BUT THE BIBLE IS THE TRUTH!!! the world is full of deception. U do not know the things of God becuz u are not opening the door to Jesus. BEHOLD I STAND AT THE DOOR AND KNOCK THOSE WHO HEAR MY VOICE, IF U OPEN THE DOOR I WILL COME INTO YOU.

[HenryLowery1]

@nnocon Please present your debunked evidence.

[colercoler23]

@nnocon in this time of age.... you better believe, ITS THE ONLY WAY!! YES LONG LIVE KING CHRIST JESUS!!!

[lucasdasilvamaria]

@nnocon where has it been debunked? DERP DERP

[minjesh]

@nnocon mmmmh... debunked, by whom, whose that great one that debunked the Bible so that we may see his greateness.

seriously Repent, for there is no one greater that Jesus Christ, He died for your sins and you still mock him.Repent before you regret ever saying that the Bible has been debunked.

[nnocon]

@minjesh

Ermm, fuck Jesus. May he rot in hell. How's that for ya? <3

[TriuneGForce]

@nnocon How can you speak good, when you are evil? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks

The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him"I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak, for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.” -jesus

[seijisoldier]

@nnocon Poor kid. 

[Bergm138]

Finally, (sorry this was so disjointed, I am a new youtuber) I notice that you did not address my question, which I think is the heart of the issue. When God says an action is good, what makes that action good? Is it because he said so, or because of some other reason?

[AnimetedMe]

If there is a prfect god they would not lie and then what he says would have to be true. So it they say something is good then that would have to be good.

But to prove god is perfect or even if there is a god is imposible, same with everything else.

The only thing that can be proven is you yourself exist because you know you think.

This fight is pointless

[Bergm138]

(1) I'm not asking if God is truthful, I am asking what makes his commandments good--Is it merely his saying so that constitutes their goodness, or are they good because they conform to another standard?

(2) "The only thing that can be proven is you yourself exist because you know you think.

This fight is pointless " This is only true if you are a foundationalist. I am not, I think that reflective equilibrium is a better epistemology.

[AnimetedMe]

(1) What makes anything good or bad? Its based apon oppinions. But if there is a perfect god (which is impossible) what he says is good would be good.

(2) So you think that anything else can be proven 100%?

[Bergm138]

I also think that if your "You really need to understand that you cannot compare a theft of a car from a finite sinful human being to sin against a Holy, infinite, and perfect God." comment was an attempt to respond to the forgiveness point, then it is a complete miss.  Perhaps it is the case that the wrong done to god is of a much greater magnitude than the wrong done to me (I don't think that could possibly be true, but I will accept it as true for the moment.)

[RobertPGH1981]

What John Piper sermon does Tim Brindle use in this song.

[Bergm138]

Do you really believe this? This seems frankly monstrous, especially coming from an omnipotent being.

[Bergm138]

sorry I shouldn't be so opaque. What I mean is that first it seems manifestly wrong to suggest that if I deserve punishment for a wrong act that that desert can be taken away by punishing some other person. It certainly is possible for someone else to pay a fine on my behalf, even to serve a term in prison for me--but the fact is that I still committed a wrong act and if there is such a thing as deserving punishment for wrong--that desert stays with me regardless of who else is punished

[Bergm138]

But there is an even bigger problem with regards to forgiveness of wrongs done against me rather than by me--for example regardless of how much suffering this third party went through, I do not think it gives that party the right to excuse a guy who steals my car--because the injury was done to me, if there is forgiveness it must come from me. To take that away seems fundamentally totalitarian, and just plain wrong.

[threehappypenguins]

Regarding all your comments...

Read Proverbs 17:15. Again and again in the Old Testament, God promises to forgive all of his people's iniquities (sins). He also promises that He is just and that no sin will go unpunished.

I also see your point about the whole stealing car issue. But what I think you need to understand is that ALL sin is done against God. It is God that we have sinned against, and it is God that can grant forgiveness through the atoning work of Jesus Christ.

[Bergm138]

Quickly, bible verses are not a good form of argument against a non-christian(I'll tell you why if you like but space...)

Anyway leaving that issue aside, the problem remains--even if i accept that god has somehow also been injured, how does that give him to power to forgive the injury done to me? It would seem that if my car is stolen, my girlfriend can forgive the thief because he made her late to work, but she cannot forgive the thief for stealing the car, because the car was mine.

[threehappypenguins]

Also, it is important to remove all western civilization notions of justice. Read the bible (especially the Old Testament) to understand what GOD'S notion of justice is. This is why He instituted the sacrificial system. He was teaching the Israelites in a tangible way that without the shedding of blood, there can be no remission (forgiveness) of sin. He was teaching that they need a SUBSTITUTE to take the punishment that they deserve. It all pointed toward Christ that was going to be given.

[Bergm138]

Perhaps you are right that i should engage God on his own terms, but I do think that arbitrary redefinition is a problem. For instance if i found my thief and asked him why he stole my car and he replied "my definition of justice is 'an action is just if it pleases me, it pleased me to take your car from you, thus it was just for me to do so. you wouldn't want me to behave in a way that was unjust would you?"

A legitimate question seems to be, why should I adopt that definition of justice?

[Bergm138]

especially given that it has such horrific consequences?

and for what it is worth I have read the bible and this is precisely my point--your god seems to have adopted a definition of justice that is perfectly arbitrary, and frankly monstrous if it results in such events.

Anyway I have a question for you--assuming that your God's justice is in fact just, what makes your god's justice just? Is it because he said so, or because of some other reason?

[drab100]

Its caused civilization for a reason, in that its not barbaric (like certain parts of the old testament). We are lucky to have a justice system based upon reason.

If god is this ruthless and uncaring, why does he deserve worship?

[threehappypenguins]

Actually, our justice system is based upon Christian principles. Unfortunately it's been corrupted (like everything in this world).

God held back the Israelites from executing his justice on certain nations because their "iniquity is not yet full." When it was, these nations were sacrificing their own children and such.

You see God as ruthless and uncaring because you do not see your own sin against Him. Just like a thief sees a policeman as ruthless and uncaring.

[drab100]

The justice system pre-dates christianity, going back to the ancient greeks, possibly even further.

god himself orders child sacrifice, remember abraham and issac?

I have never murdered anyone, stole anything etc but apparently I deserve to roast in hell. Where is the logic?

[threehappypenguins]

Yes, the justice system pre-dates Christianity. If you read the bible you will see that it goes all the way back into the Old Testement (history of creation, and God's people).

And God clearly abhors child sacrifice, if you have read the bible. Abraham never killed Isaac, because God told him to stop. God clearly did it as a picture for what God the Father would plan to do when he sacrificed his own son (Jesus). But at the same time Jesus laid his own life down.

[drab100]

The justice system has developed over the course of civilisation and is, according to anthropological studies, derived from the morals that have 'evolved' with our species. We can also see similar behavioural patterns in many lower-order animals. Are you suggesting that murder and theft were completely acceptable prior to Moses? Why do non-Christians and non-Christian countries abhor such acts? And by the way, you are suggesting that morals and justice have Jewish, not Christian origins.

[threehappypenguins]

1. Christianity is the fulfillment of TRUE Judaism (not modern-day false Judaism).

2. When I said "history of creation", I mean that it was established since the beginning with Adam and Eve, our mother and father. They broke God's law, & God cursed all of creation. God established that blood must be shed as a punishment by killing the first animal and making clothing from it. Cain and Abel made sacrifices. God's law has been since the beginning. The bible says that God "wrote it on our hearts."

[drab100]

I won't be drawn on what is the right/wrong religion, there is no evidence indicating one over the other.

Adam and Eve never existed, its unlikely Moses existed either. Produce evidence if you disagree.

[threehappypenguins]

The bible is the Word of God as well as full of historical documents. To make such silly statements is out of pure ignorance. It's like stating "it's unlikely Leonardo DaVinci existed." Moses wrote the first 5 books of the bible. Of course, to you, you can go and claim that just about nobody before us existed just because you didn't see them with your own eyes. Plain silliness.

[tubester4567]

Ok, so based on that, why dont you believe the Quran? Its much newer and it claims to be Gods word. Recited word for word by god, not a hearsay document like the bible. To be respected as an historical source you need more than one source. Especially when that one source is the one thats trying to convince people of its validity.

[threehappypenguins]

Furthermore, when God gave Moses the commandments, it was simply an establishing and clarification of things. We as humans pervert things. God instituted sacrifices to show that sin deserves bloody death, and eventually societies perverted that and began sacrificing to idols, sacrificing children, etc.

[threehappypenguins]

And the logic is that you need to look at the rest of the commandments, and that God even requires a right heart. He said that even hatred is murder of the heart, lust is adultery, etc. If you have ever cheated on taxes or downloaded music you have stolen, etc. It is a heart issue. Your righteousness are as filthy rags before a Holy God (Isaiah 64:6).

[drab100]

No, hatred is not the same as murder, the consequences differ drastically. Lust is not the same is adultery for the same reason. The real test of mankind is how we deal with such negative emotions. If you look around society you will find that the vast majority of non-Christians who do not commit wicked acts. This is not because they are non-Christians but because thy are good people, judged by society for their acts. I would recommend that you judge your fellow humans by this same criteria.

[threehappypenguins]

No, it is not the consequences that make something wrong. It is that it is sin against GOD. You base "goodness" by your own standard (which changes). You even break your own standards (who hasn't done things that they said they wouldn't do, that they regret, etc).

God's "criteria" (standard) never changes. In one second, a society condemn things like the holocaust. The next second, that society commits the very same thing.

Tell me... if it's okay to "hurt" and eat a chicken, why not a human?

[drab100]

Simply answer to that one, because we need to feed. Like every other animal, we kill other species to survive (plants are also living things remember). As a society now be don't kill and eat other humans because we have evolved to do so. Cannibals do exist in tribal areas but as a society there survival rate is at an obvious disadvantage. Other species do not eat there own for the same reason, it would be harmful to the species in question (unless it is beneficial in the case of eg. spiders).

[drab100]

continued.

Morality has 'evolved' in this way. Through our natural altruism, which is also seen in other animals, our laws develop over time, and are subject to change based on evidence.

A vital part of a society is the ability to do this and not stick dogmatically to an outdated law which harms society as a whole.

[threehappypenguins]

Wow. Your answers are frightening. With those arguments you can argue that things like pedophilia and incest are okay. According to your logic, I can argue that we should eat the weak members of society because they hurt the society as a whole. All those living off welfare, all the elderly, the disabled, etc. They're simply costing our society taxpayer's money. So why not kill them and eat them?

Doesn't sound very "nice" does it?

[threehappypenguins]

The reason why killing animals is not a sin, and murdering, eating, etc humans IS a sin is because the bible says we are made in the image and likeness of God.

For example, if I have a picture of my husband's face on the wall, and I decide to throw darts at it and destroy that image, what am I communicating? That I hate my husband... I want him to die.

That is the same with God. When we mistreat other humans (like murdering them, eating them, etc), we are communicating that we want God dead.

[threehappypenguins]

That is why every single sin always, ALWAYS relates back to God. You may think you're sinning against a specific person, but you're actually sinning against God, and him alone. All sin is against him. That is what King David said in Psalm 51.

Morality was no "evolved" (evolution is a fairy tale for grown-ups). It was instituted by God because his IS the law. He IS morality. And it NEVER changes.

[aben39]

Why do you think people would just make up the idea that we evolved from other species? From my experience evolution was quite a depressing thing to learn about; i can't see how anyone would benefit from supporting and attempting to prove the idea.

[Scottles293]

people "benefit" from the THEORY of evolution because they believe it makes them unaccountable to a righteous holy God so they dont have to worry about their conscience (a gift from God).. people can just do whatever they want and as this idea spreads around the world its only going to become more immoral - turn to Christ

[aben39]

"people "benefit" from the THEORY of evolution because they believe it makes them unaccountable to a righteous holy God"

I don't use the theory (not sure why you capatalised that as if it was important) of evolution to "deny" the existance of a god. The simply lack of evidence that any exists is enough to do that.

[gudroe7]

evolution benefits the one who believes it because to removes all accountability to a God that is greater than man. The theory of evolution elevates man above all. this theory is not new at its spiritual core. Man in his natural self has always elevated self before God. That is the original sin. In evolution it reveals itself a little differently thats all.

[Severion]

because God made you

and you are worth nothing and you have nothing else but God

you worhip Him because He gave you everything you have

[drab100]

Including the sin?

[threehappypenguins]

You really need to understand that you cannot compare a theft of a car from a finite sinful human being to sin against a Holy, infinite, and perfect God. I see you keep bringing up arbitrary; while God clearly says in His Word that He can't do what is evil, He IS the law, so I see why you think that this is unfair that everything is relative to Him. But ever since we sinned in Adam in the Garden (Romans 5 goes into detail about this), who are we as corrupt human beings to judge God? (Romans 9).

[Bergm138]

What I mean by arbitrary is that his morality apparently creates rules that we are incapable of following, and sets up an eternity of torture as the punishment for breaking them. Yet if he exists as stated in the bible, he clearly breaks those very same rules, and then calls himself perfect. I am thinking of Exodus 12:29 in which he murders a the firstborn sons of an entire country for a 'sin' that those children had nothing to do with. A 'sin' that god caused Pharaoh to commit.

[threehappypenguins]

I don't have time to respond to all of your comments right now (I have to go to bed early), but I do have to mention that you have no right to accuse God of evil, since you are the one who is (according to the bible, of course). To broaden my answer (I can't answer specifically at this time... bed time!) I suggest typing "in adam all die shai linne" into Google, clicking on the first link, and giving it a listen.

[Bergm138]

I also think that the doctrine of original sin is practically a refutation of the notion of 'sin.' I have never heard a good explanation for how it is that I can be held blameworthy for something that my great-great-great etc. grandmother did, especially given that she almost certainly did not exist as stated. The point about rights I think is irrelevant and designed primarily to stop inquiry--I am degraded or not, perfectly capable of noticing that god breaks his own rules. So are you.

[threehappypenguins]

Again, you are going by your own westernized, modern notion of "justice", and accuse God of wickedness, when it is you that is wicked.

[Bergm138]

Two things;

First, even if you are right about original sin (I do not think you are, but am willing to shelve that for now) that still doesn't matter. God is not using my definition in Exodus 20:13 "Thou shalt not murder." I know of no other word that describes the action god took in the tenth plague (among other places, including what he did to Jesus.)

[Bergm138]

Second, and more importantly, do you see how that is a non-argument? It is a response that is designed to stop the question without actually answering it, and thus could be used to protect any belief no matter how false.

My status as wicked or non-wicked has nothing to do with god--it is completely irrelevant. Think of it this way--even a bad judge gets it right sometimes; the only way to tell is to look at the evidence--which is precisely what your response precludes.

[threehappypenguins]

I'll also tell you why bible verses are a good form of argument against a non-Christian: "For the word of God is living and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." (Hebrews 4:12)

[Bergm138]

What you are doing has a name in philosophy, it's called begging the question. That means that you are assuming something in your premises that your opponent would not agree to; it is certainly possible to use the bible as evidence but you NEED to make an actual argument that shows that I ought to regard the bible as true. So until you make such an argument all you have is a dubious premise.

[threehappypenguins]

While apologetics are great and I frequently use them, they are really just for the purpose of answering honest questions from a person. But God's Word warns that a person is spiritually dead (Ephesians 2). You need to be first made alive so you can see what is already there. And it is the power of the gospel that will do that (Romans 1:16).

[Bergm138]

Even if the wrong done to god is more important in some way, that in no way grants him the power to forgive wrongs done to a separate entity, even if they are smaller. Insofar as it was done to me, it was not done to him, and he cannot forgive an injury that was not his. (incidentally I also find it deeply weird that such a being is said to have a gender, is that just a shorthand on your part?)

[threehappypenguins]

One last thing regarding arbitrary redefinition. Apart from God's Word, it is US that redefine what is moral. But God promises in His Word that He is the same "yesterday and today and forever" (Hebrews 13:8). God makes His law clear in His Word, and clearly there is no way to justify stealing (like the thief in your scenario), because He states it is a sin. Since God does not change, His notion of justice does not change.

[Bergm138]

I think that this response has a big problem, and it is this. My car thief is now immortal, and in fact he has existed since before the beginning of time, moreover he has consistently held to his definition of justice. Does that make what he did just or moral? I think the answer to that question is no--the length of time that a definition has been held for is of no bearing on its worth.

Incidentally, he also states that murder is a sin, yet that would appear to be what he did to Jesus.

[armstrongw5]

1 Corinthians 14:34 says you should stfu

[threehappypenguins]

I had to look up what "stfu" meant and that was very rude.

I'm not sure what 1 Cor. 14:24 has to do with anything.

[armstrongw5]

cor 14:34-35 says let your women be silent in church

[threehappypenguins]

Yes, I agree. Women should be silent during the worship services. So what's your problem?

[armstrongw5]

you subscribe to a dogma of misogyny and hypocrisy. remember when moses killed that guy (ex 2.11-12) and then gave us commandment no. 5?

i don't really have a problem with it, i feel bad for you.

[threehappypenguins]

You must be Catholic. The commandment not to murder is actually the 6th commandment.

The bible is full of sinful people that need to be forgiven by God. You forgot to point out that David committed adultery, and murdered as well.

It was God that gave Moses the 10 commandments. Moses didn't make them up.

I am a woman, and there is no misogyny whatsoever in the in bible. Men and women have different roles.

[YAHBARA1]

Truth Sistren

[YAHBARA1]

Moses didnt give commandments of himself but of the Father Fam.........

[CIRELUX]

why cant women worship GOD??? in church??

and no they cant be pasters

[graypj]

beautifully revolting

[snakes4life2527]

The truth

[ezemdi]

This is very nice.

TRUTH

[theblaser77]

muy buena la roa men

god bless youu