El Salvador and the School of the Americas Part 2

[congaleader2000]

This dumb BITCH and the whole documentary fails to mention the "peaceful" guerrilas fo the FMLN that murdered and destroyed El Salvador's infrastructure during their criminal assault to the country!

[Durgasinghni]

They will use these same tactics to purge dissent, protests, and potential threats to elitest power...right in USA in the not too distant future.

[jose30076]

Actions such as those of the "Damas de blanco" in Cuba is a good example how awareness can be raised through peaceful marches. Those women (many of them quite old) were getting slapped and beat up on a daily basis on the streets. The sons of many of those women are current political prisoners. Rebel resistance only causes both sides to hate each other more instead of bringing to light the real atrocities that occur.

[jose30076]

Social change whether from military/economic oppression requires patience and isn't something that will happen overnight. No dictatorship can stay in power without the support of the military. The military isn't completely oblivious to the civilian population, eventually changes can be made through positive interaction between civilian and government interaction. It can be nasty but it's something you have to persevere.

[jose30076]

I'm not defending D'Abiusson nor others in the government that committed atrocities against clergy, etc. I am defending the existence and operation of the SOA. If it weren't for that school, most of Central America today would be a mirror image of Cuba. 99% of the foot soldiers were Salvadorian but the brains of those operations were likely foreign. Sometimes a momentary dictatorship is a better option than all out civil war. The situation was inflamed as it was because of rebel actions.

[shishkabobby]

@jose30076 But everything from our government has been complete bullshit. We have a war of drugs by the DEA and drug runners from the CIA and its lackeys. We were told that the insurgents were Communists. It is clear that it was the people like 'Blowtorch Bob' that were the true bastards in this sad story. Go look at history.  How did Ponochet behave in Chile. If you prefer them to the rebels, go back to 1776 and fight for Good King George.

[mieludo]

R.I.P Mi mayor, Salvador A. Guzman Parada....................Coma­ndante del Batallon Libertadores de la PH.

[Mimarspre]

@mieludo R.I.P all the victims of the Policía de Hacienda, Policía Nacional and all those fkng criminals during the war.

[mieludo]

SO everybodi is blaming the students ,who were or are the instructors. imagine what the students did ,what were the instructors that I think all were I dont know from what country, capable of doing.

[Mimarspre]

@mieludo and the student were of course inocent choir boys LMAO . There are things that no one can and should defend, really, you should educate your self a litte more.

[mightydesign]

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[Sexxistentialist]

FUCK COMMIES! I SHIT ON THEIR GRAVES! HAHA AHAHA AHAHAHA AHAHA

[mightydesign]

I was born in El Salvador in 1976 and I have much respect for Oscar Romero, the 4 nuns killed in 81 and the 6 people killed in 1989. Not to mention the 75,000 estimated killed during the civil war, but trying to say the School of the Americas is responsible for these crimes makes no sense. I had cousins that were sent to SOA to train, to be better soldiers, not death squad assassins. Just recently a boy in Mexico is being accused of beheading and castrating men, he didn't go to SOA.

[HeavensAria]

@mightydesign I value your input. It is important to highlight that not every soldier turns into a cold killing machine, and that it doesn't take formal education to know how to, or to decide to commit crimes. I do not condone SoA, though for facilitating the type of behavior. I question the need of training in interrogation, torture, and weapons-handling. I wish that the needs of Latin America were assessed more holistically, not under one banner of "military aid".

[mightydesign]

@HeavensAria I have no problem with your statement. I would like to say that I have an aunt that lives in the country. I remember one time she described what they did to a guy they caught trying to rob her house. Lets just say she had his balls in her hands. The people of el salvador are tough, it is almost like the old wild west. Everyone is on their own.

[Mimarspre]

@mightydesign SoA is responsible because it played a very important part in the trainning of the criminals who committed such horrible war crimes. Crimes can be committed by phychopaths, sociopaths, normal criminals but in a war or a dictorial regimen they are usually commited by the dictator and/ or the one who are fighting. I do not know who are your cousins, but is a fact that D'Abiusson and many other were trainned to become what they were: Murders .

[mightydesign]

@Mimarspre Can you provide me one specific example of a crime they committed which they learned at the SOA? And please don't tell me something that I can document from history before the SOA existed.

[BayKingston]

the School of the psychopaths

[rfmullig]

The SOA is just another tool that was created to control the World that revolves around the USA. It allows us to control and put into power dictators and countries that WE choose. Manuel Noriega, Agusto Pinochet, etc...

Lets not forget that Noriega, Allende, Pinochet, Bin Laden and Sadam were strongly supported by the US government. This is wat we do. It's how we maintain power and the SOB is just a part of this international policy making machine.

[alohamaui100]

hEY jOSE 30076 YOU MUST HAVE BEEN ONE OF THE TRAINED PSYCHO KILLERS. ANY REAL PEOPLE FOR A CONSTRUCTIVE RESOLUTION, PLEASE GET IN TOUCH WITH SOAWatch.org YOU TUBE UP ROY AND GO TO THE ONE OF MANY BUT WITH THE 56 MINUTE DURATION AND SEE HOW HIS TRAINING IN VIETNAM AND SERVICE THERE TURNED ABRUPTLY CHANGED INTO A HUMAN. AND SALVADOREANS GO TO PEACEINT.ORG AS THE FOUNDER GRADUATED AT UCA WITH THE NOW PRES. OF EL SALVADOR MAURICIO FUNES. THAT PERSON FOUNDED ROMERO UNIV TOO. PAZ TOM SCHMIDT

[jose30076]

SOA Watch still act like tools for the insurgent causes that would only destroy the heirarchy and infrastructure of the governments they fight against. The fight should be for social justice of the poor without armed aggression. These Latin American governments act the way they do because they respond to uprisings. Fr. Roy Bourgeois' cause is misdirected

[mightydesign]

@jose30076 I agree with you Jose, look at the 30,000 killed in Mexico, how ignorant must one be to think you would need to go to a school in America to learn how to torture people. Look at the beheadings, limbs being cut off, stoning, castration, hanging and fogging that happens in the arab world, somehow they were able to come up with ways to torture people without going to SOA. I got stories to tell of how they tortured people in el salvador, trust me, it was not learned in the USA.

[zumbwanda]

@mightydesign bloodsucker , parasite of the usa

[mightydesign]

@zumbwanda - I rather be a blooksucker, parasite of the usa than a citizen of Argentina.

[zumbwanda]

@mightydesign hahaha the neonazis in youtube says "its time to destroy all the cubans and latin out the us" , they gonna take your ass in the future , anyways the soa its the school of asassins even a vietnam vet was trying to close that place , now moved to the us , you have to be proud to be a leecher , bloodsucker a person who lives thanks to the money of the federal help , your days leecher are counted

[Mimarspre]

@jose30076 You are so ignorant. Insurgents causes are "born" as result of the represion systems in Latin America. While I agree that an violent uprisings and war are not the right answer for all the problems, I can understand why people rebels when they have no freedom, when they are killed only for giving an opinion, when they are used and abused. One thing is when you have a "Rechtsstaat" , something different are the moron, corrupted and dictatorial systems in Latin America

[jose30076]

@Mimarspre There's different ways of dealing with problems concerning social justice but what these rebels were doing was simple class warfare. Most of the people that form these militias are usually not even native of the country and come from elsewhere with their own political rhetoric in order to cause disruptions.

[Mimarspre]

@jose30076 I was there, I am salvadorean and learned about war since I was 10 , so If you are not also a salvadorean who suffered the war, I doubt you know what you are talking about. First most of the people who fought with the guerrillas WERE native salvadoreans. Oh there were a couple of mercenaries right, but 99% of the guerrilleros were salvadoreans. The war was not only about social problems, we HAD a military dictature then and while I was just a little girl, I still remember ....

[Mimarspre]

@jose30076 I still remember that my parents never said a word of criticism agaist the regime in public as they were afraid of the consecuences (as most of the people then) . The things were much more complicated than your explanation of the facts. I want to make clear that I do not support what the guerrilleros did. Though I agree there should be other ways, I can understand the reasons why things went so far. Without dictatorship and repression we wouldn't have had a guerrilla

[jose30076]

Considering the School passes 2000 graduates per year, percentage-wise, only a small group of them have committed murderous acts. I think the most logical course of action would be to question the ethics of those latin american countries that conduct themselves in such overbearing ways. Otherwise, these countries would be overrun by guerrilla armies such as FARC in Colombia. The day groups like SOA Watch denounce the acts of the insurgents as well is when i'll start listening to their cause.

[Mimarspre]

@jose30076 Both things are to be taken in consideration. Those small groups were the elites and the ones who held the political and military power in Latin America, obviously, supporting those "small groups" was more than enough

[jose30076]

@Mimarspre The insurgents cause may have been born out of repression, but they all lack any tact or morality in the methods they attempt to deal with the repression. Do you go out and kill your local congressman or political representative if you feel they are treating you unfairly? Or do you try to be civil for the betterment of your community and take a more educated approach to the problem? Communism takes hold from disorder, and thats the environment the insurgents were attempting to create.

[Mimarspre]

@jose30076 And do you seriously believe that the goverment and the military was full of tact or morality? Boy, you should read the report of the truth commission. They were not exactly chor boys, hence they committed crimes agaist the humanity before the war: You know about how they forced the people who lived where today in "presa 5 de noviembre" to leave their homes in order to get the place free for the proyect. You don't deal with revolution killing inocent women and children mozote massacre

[Mimarspre]

@Mimarspre As I said the things were much more complicated then. Something that I do not like is when people are trying to give simple explanations to something that was far more complicated: No, I don't like and I do not support the methods of the guerrillas and no, I do not believe in changing a military dictature to put a socialistic dictature instead: A dictature is und remains a dictature, a repressive system, no matter your flag. And yet I've wondered if the insurgents had another choise

[Mimarspre]

@jose30076 The truth is that neither the guerrilleros nor the military were chor boys, there were no "good guys", all of them were evil, and all of them no matter if you are talking about guerrillas or military killed, abused inocent people. About trying to be civil for the betterment let me tell you how things worked then: There were people who tryed to help with peaceful method, have you ever heart about the four Maryknoll Sisters raped and murdered by soldiers? Were they insurgents?

[cyrilharrisjr]

thank-you...very good document

[yesbrth]

I suggest a reseach is done on who are the politicians who voted for the creation and support of this "School of the Assasins". . . May be they are the same blaming now poor Afghans, Arabs, etc, to have "terrorist training camps".

[Alvarezie89]

I can't believe it either, this is such a disgrace. this was such an unfortunate event.

[lobohaybusa]

Can`t believe my parents went through all this