He is welcome to move to his socialistic country of choice anytime. But he won’t because he knows they suck. Ohh I mean he wants to be a hero and tell us how greedy America is all the while living like a king.
The government allows monopolies because it can use force to dictate it. Thats why all of the largest companies support socialism. You Wouldn't see monopolies in a free society. business would have no interest in politics if it followed the constitution.
@Jscivlancer1 Let me ask you a question. What percent of their income do you think people in the top 1% of income earners should pay per year in order to fund this socialistic government of yours?
@Freez57fr If you actually read my comment; you would've seen that I said, "I'm not against taxation; it is necessary." All I'm saying is that Jesus would not agree with either capitalism or socialism (especially socialism) because of the mass amount of coercion used by the government. Let's face it; taxation is technically extortion.
Capitalism means free enterprise, sovereignty of the consumers in economic matters, and sovereignty of the voters in political matters. Socialism means full government control of every sphere of the individuals life and the unrestricted supremacy of the government in its capacity as central board of production management.
@Siegfried881 Under your absurd definition any system could be considered Socialist. I quoted Ludwig von Mises. He was a European economist. You live in mixed economy or what could be called a social democracy not a pure Socialist system. it's sad that I have to explain this to you. Perhaps you should read about economics before lecturing me.
@willmickel71 I know who Mises is; many a stupid conservative destroy his name by frequenting a certain website named after him, whereupon they make pathetic attempts to disprove everything they hate. You shouldn't assume people you communicate with as somehow intellectually inferior or less well-travelled than yourself.
I did not critique your comment for a name. I critiqued it to show you reality, something you love to substitute for a quote from your economic messiah. Have a good day.
Never said it wasn't. Please, if you want to argue, at least try to show a modicum of attention.
"Calling eveyone you disagree with or hate as "stupid conservative" is just as midless."
I don't call everyone I disagree with 'stupid conservative'. I call stupid conservatives at Mises dot org 'stupid conservative', as they are fully deserving of that honour.
@willmickel71 "There is much more to polilitcal and economic thought than some simplistic linear political spectrum."
"Capitalism means free enterprise, sovereignty of the consumers in economic matters, and sovereignty of the voters in political matters. Socialism means full government control of every sphere of the individuals life and the unrestricted supremacy of the government in its capacity as central board of production management."
Socialism coincides with religious teachings of compassion, tolerance, peace, and egalitarianism. Virtually every organised religion popular today has fundamental values of caring for one's neighbour, and for one's community, or providing for the needy, etcetera. It is in that aspect that socialism is Christianity, Buddhism, Islam, etc.
Jesus did not preach extortion (taxation). I'm not against taxation; it is necessary. However, taxation is essentially extortion. Jesus would favor an economy in which people helped each other out VOLUNTARILY, rather than the coercion that is used by both socialism and capitalism, but socialism to a much greater extent. So for Michael Moore to call Jesus a socialist is nonsense.
@MrLep95 socialism is a system by which everyone is equal. where you have equal rights to your boss. (wait thats democracy) opps :D, where you have right to everything the rich do, good education, health care, food, housing, transportation, retirement funds. where the core is human rights. and where everyone gets a chance. In capitalism, those who are rich are the top 1%. everyone else is 99%. it also happens that the bottom 99% have a lower education, lower housing and worse health. then before
Free Market Capitalism: "The person who doesn't work shouldn't eat"
Democratic Socialism: "The person who doesn't want to work shouldn't eat"
The difference is small... the impact is giant.
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In the US every debate is mixed with what and how the federal government is manageing...
In Germany the federal government is 1/3 the size of that of the US, but everything works better, cost efficent and is more social & just... not perfect, but better.
It's a bit tiring to hear the same dumb argument from socialists: the rich takes 9/10 of the cake and leaves 1/10 to the rest. Bullshit. Pure and simple bullshit. This has not happened since the middle ages. The rich are simply rich because they "bake the cake" themselves. They create wealth by ingenuity and by responding to popular demand. This in turn has a spillover effect on the less wealthy who stand to gain jobs from it all. The very idea of wealth being a stationary object is idiotic
@mckorff idiot: the wealthy are greedy. well I guess you're right. the wealthy do break the pie themselves, for themselves. whoever is wealthy becomes wealthiest and whoever is poor becomes poorest expt a few. capitalism in america has something called a "dead peasant system" means that when the workers die, they collect the money of the health insurance and prevent the families getting it capitalism is miss-informing to get money its whats happening in America right now! so shut up!
@JScivlancer1 Yes the rich get richer, that nuch is true. But the poor does not get poorer. On the contrary they also get more wealth as the rich reinvest their wealth in the society. This is basic economy and knowlegde. This is the reason why workers aren't living under the same conditions now as they did 100, 200 or 300 years ago. And yes sometimes coorperations speculate and commit crimes but that has nothing to do with liberal capitalism. That my friend is called corporatism.
My mom likes to call you "fat face." Michael, you are seriously deluded. Jesus Christ and the Founding Fathers would NEVER be for that Marixist bilge that dribbles from your face. Karl Marx was an atheist. All the great socialists/communists were atheists. Look how well secular societies like the USSR functioned.
@CoolGuy18201 Jesus would definitely be a socialist and against capitalism. He would never accept a world of competition and individual self-interest, but rather a world where everything is shared and divided. If you had read any of his sermons you would understand this. The only system that leads to widespread atheism is capitalism, because it creates atomized individuals that no longer seek community in the longer run. I think this is good, and capitalism/atomized society is the best!
@astroboomboy Yes He would be a capitalist because He believed in freedom and taking care of yourself in this world. Paul definitely believed that (near the end of 2nd Thessalonians). Jesus never advocated stealing from rich people you don't know and giving it to the poor people who may not deserve it! That's what the Salvation Army and Habitat for Humanity is for!
@CoolGuy18201 Remember that the old communist countries are today the most religious and orthodox countries today. Communism does not get rid of christianity, but rather makes people seek religion even more. Capitalism on the other hand completely individualizes society, and slowly the need and search for religion is replaced by the search for self-fullflment through work and possessions. The most atheistic countries have the freest markets.
@astroboomboy But, Paul says to earn your own living and don't live off of others i.e. capitalism (near the end of 2nd Thesslonians). Jesus would be for earning your own way.
@CoolGuy18201 Paul is not Jesus, read the Sermont on the mount and his speech when he is in the market. Jesus was clearly against the growth of a capitalist class, and the bible is also pretty clear on earning a living by labor and not through other peoples labor. The way the bible is read today seems highly adapted to our conditions.
And, the bible also demands that you give 10% of your wealth to the poor, but of course you could interpret everything the way you want I guess. Anyway...
He's wrong about religions. He cannot find one place in ANY scripture where it states that the government should forcibly confiscate the wealth of the minority and give it to the majority.
His type of democracy would remove the everyday decision making capability out of the hands of the individual citizens and put in the hands of the government because not everyone will make decisions for the "common good". We are self-interested people by nature. Socialism is unnatural.
It is not possible to argue that each individual should sacrifice for the whole of society, and yet expect each individual to know what "society's good" consists of, without having a dictator to tell them.
@coolbreezed Actually I think you are wrong. In the bible I think you can find several passages that gives the right to kings and authorities to collect money from the people. The bible seems to be clear on respecting the kings authority. It is also clear that people should give away what they do not need for themselves, and that this can be done through force by a community like the church. It all depends on interpretation, and that is why the bible never works as a universal guide.
@Eclipsepoland Socialism is democracy. By paying high taxes you get a lot of goods, like free health care, schools and so on. I don't understand why you americans look so negative on socialism. And there are other forms of socialism, like Social democracy. Social democracy stands for mixed economy, economic disparities and an active welfare state and also cooperation with private capital interests and the expansion of social welfare and public sector.
@Eclipsepoland It's not only for free health care, but also so people that aren't able to work can get social security, we also pay amounts of money to our pension.
Maybe you should watch any of Michael Moore's documentaries and maybe you will learn how things work. You are probably just a greedy capitalist thinking that makes America a better place, well guess what it doesn't. Things are worse than ever, maybe it's time for change, and THEN you'll learn socialism is good!
@lazytower1 Michael Moore is an Idiot - that dont even know whats hes talking about
And i Know how things work - plus i dont care about what u think - build socialism in your own country - its good for me - we will some cheep workers when we restore freedom in my country and you're on your way to make USA so shitty that even mexicans wont come for work.
@Eclipsepoland An idiot? Are you fucking kidding me? You are an idiot for not understanding. Have you seen his documentaries? Or are you retarded? HE is the only reasonable american out there, watch his documentaries and you'll see all his points. He points out all the things that are wrong with America, including CAPITALISM!
@lazytower1 Listen u fucking waste of proteins ... visit some dictionary before u waste any more of my time - find out what capitalism is - and answer to yourself " if capitalism is present now in America or we have socialism in America"
Check the meaning of the Word " socialism" as well.
And dont come back with no proper conclusions parasite
@Eclipsepoland I now exactly what I need to know about socialism and capitalism! I study fucking economics you shitwad! And not the whole world comes from a fucking english speaking country you piece of shit! Why is America afraid of change if it is for the better? Open your eyes! America is in its worst crisis than ever, still, most americans don't understand, the only thing they do understand is that they're americans, and that they think they're the kings of the world!
@lazytower1 USA is Socialist now u idiot.. thats why...
"Free market capitalism consists of a free-price system where supply and demand are allowed to reach their point of equilibrium without intervention by the government. Productive enterprises are privately owned, and the role of the state is limited to protecting property rights."
@7777TheShade No it isn't. In Norway we base out politics on socialism, and we are not communists. Look at countries like Cuba? That's a communist country, they don't for example import anything, in Norway we import and eksport lots of oil, fish and so on.
@lazytower1 "Why does all americans think that socialism is the same thing as communism?"
I think it is due to a very poor quality education system.I'm in my 40's and did not attend university.Until a few years ago I had no clue what anything was when it came to politics,philosophy,science.Critical thinking was a term I'd never heard of.People in the US like to think we have such a great education system,we don't.It's crap!But our unwillingness to admit that keeps it crap.
why can't everyone get this. I'm going to make a simple political spectrum for you from left to right
Anarchism....Communism....Liberal(Democrats)......Moderate (I'll put Libertarian here because it can lean both ways)......Conservative(Republicans)....Fascism. There's ALOT in between all that but that's the simplest way i could put it.
socialism is communism you fat fuck. jesus was conservative. he loved everyone but he believed that ppl who sin should be punished. ppl who sit around and sin should not be awarded. its a messed up ideology and marx shouldn't even get a second of recognition, he was mentally retarded
@scarsofbravery My great-grandfather always told me that Jesus was a socialist. In my opinion, by looking at his teachings, Jesus clearly was; "sell your possessions and give to the poor" is pretty clear cut to me.
He most certainly was not a conservative, that's for sure.
@scarsofbravery Actually you're wrong. Fascism believes in a return to the traditional values of the nation in which it exists, similar to conservatism. Fascists and conservatives are both socially conservative. Fascists are officially fiscally conservative as well, but usually they really control the economy through secretive/military means. Both the left and right have dictatorial idealogies among them, and I'm tired to you righties ignoring that!
@scarsofbravery Oh my god get an education. Socialism is an economic ideal used by a communist gov't. Socialism CAN exist without communism. Communism CAN'T exist without socialism. To be honest, I would say jesus was more of a socialist than anything. Socialism is a redistribution of the wealth which is supposed to create an entirely equal society. Has it worked in countries that have tried it? For the most part no. Socialism is exploited often aka North Korea, Cuba etc...
Even if economic planning has come hand in glove in such a developmental process of socialism, chances are capitalism would somehow become impotent because various functions in a democratic world would have no capacity to actually centralize alot of processings of securing economic resources.
Michael Moore isn't talking about Communism so consider the former Soviet Union or Cuba. What Michael Moore is referring to is "Democratic" Socialism. It's the same type of Socialism embraced by Sweden, Norway and Denmark. It's far more humane than the Capitalism which steals from the poor and gives to the rich.
"It's the same type of Socialism embraced by Sweden, Norway and Denmark. It's far more humane than the Capitalism which steals from the poor and gives to the rich. "
Actually, I live in Stockholm. I make 50,000 a year, and we get taxed 75% of our annual salary. You talk as if you had any knowledge of the Scandinavian countries, when in fact you are an ignorant Michael Moore bootlicker.
@Romansteel13 Yes, in fact I DO have vast knowledge of the Scandinavian countries. And yes, Swedes pay DO high taxes--even at the rate of 75%,depending on income.
But you don't live in anywhere in Sweden! Your comment is solid proof of that. What you are is a half-brain liar. You're not worth my time.
Great video and very fitting for Occupy Wall St. I like the picture of the guy stuffing his mouth with money at 1:47. It reminds me that greed is a sort of gluttony. It's destroying America.
"Yes, in fact I DO have vast knowledge of the Scandinavian countries."
You are the liar here.
You live in America, you are the reason why the rest of the world hates your people.
I remember distinctly my city of Stockholm cheering when 9/11 happened.
@Kritiker313 look, the thing is, whenever you start to compare Sweden and Norway with the United States, you are already on the losing end of the argument.
You can't even begin to compare Sweden, a racially and culturally homogenous society with less than 1% of the U.S. population, with the U.S.
Our two countries are so far apart in terms of culture, economics and overall attitude.
Nowhere in Sweden will you find cities as crime ridden as Washington D.C. or Atlanta Ga. for one.
@Shaymeonyoo Sweden is not as homogenous as it used to be. Crime is going up and they are having huge problems with Muslim immigrants like most of Europe...thanks to the socialist multiculturalist polices of the liberal elite. In 10 years places like Malmo in Sweden will be as bad or worse than many poor inner cities in the USA.
@Hereticalable I don't think it is even question of religion as the fact that people that immigrated in Sweden are better off when they claim their social security money from Sweden than to bust their asses working in their previous country and that gives them little inscentive to be productive part of Swedish economy
@Hereticalable I don't think it is even question of religion as the fact that people that immigrated in Sweden are better off when they claim their social security money from Sweden than to bust their asses working in their previous country and that gives them little inscentive to be productive part of Swedish economy
If you're hung up on the word Socialism just wikipedia Social Democracy and you've got a much nicer definition on something everyone should be able to agree upon.
I know I have posted some negative views on this video but let's put that to one side on this day of mourning for you. May I offer my deepest condolences for your loss - Kim Jong Il will always be remembered as one of the most peace loving Socialist leaders - known deaths under his regime only running into the tens of thousands.
That's not Socialism - it's not even genuine Communism.
It's enhanced Capitalism. Where one person, instead of a few thousand, gets all the loot.
Kim-Jong-Il represented a monarchy - indeed a religious monarchy - with himself as the deity of the moment. He lived in luxury while millions of his people starved and died - he took all the money for himself.
That makes him a great entrepeneur - he seized an opportunity to vastly increase profit for himself.
@jazzx251 You don't know the difference between capitalism and socialism.
Capitalism is where prices are defined by the free market and the population have ownership rights to the means of production. Socialism is where the collective / government owns all means of production and centrally plans the economy.
People who advocate socialism seem to believe that every failed attempt ''wasn't proper socialism - next time it will be perfect when we hand absolute power to a few leaders''.
"Capitalism is where prices are defined by the free market and the population have ownership rights to the means of production"
Congratulations on becoming a socialist!
Look at the Chinese - the communist nation that is now the only capitalist economic super power left.
While America was busy self-destructing through corrupt estate agents, bankers and stock brokers, the Chinese were publicly executing anyone in business suspected of corruption.
@revelationmd Your argument has a grain of truth to it, but it is nevertheless flaud.
The vast majority of the world's nations are capitalist and they are mostly nightmares.
The United States did not become wealthy through fair business but through ruthless imperialism.
A good enough chunk of its citizens are kept well-off because corporations require indifferent consumers to devour their plundered Third World goods. Some might call this immoral.
@revelationmd Genuine socialism, as Moore implied, is when the government and the economy are structured in such a way so that everyone has an equal opportunity to enrich themselves. If you don't have that, it's not socialism. There is no socialism in North Korea. Making such blatant straw mans which say otherwise only reveals that you don't really have anything compelling to say and that you have no idea of what you're talking about.
@Nathan173AB Yep. Or I own a dictionary. You (and Moore) are talking about what you wish socialism was - not what socialism actually is. Socialism is when the state owns all means of production - so sure, if you have a benevolant state, in theory this could result in an equitable society. In reality it never does. And that is without even looking at the inefficiency implications of a centrally planned economy. Central planning doesn't work. It never has.
@revelationmd Saying "central planning doesn't work" is not a valid argument because it doesn't pinpoint any specific method. What do you mean by central planning? That has to be answered to determine whether or not it works. Of course the Soviet and North Korean methods of central planning by giving a small group of people all the power to decide doesn't work. So use different methods.
@revelationmd You seem to be under this misinformation that Moore and us "liberal hippies" want the socialism that North Korea and the Soviets used, which is not true. We want methods that make the values of socialism work, not what they have/had.
Life liberty and the pursuit of happiness! Hard work=property=happiness. What's wrong with being happy? Let people choose their own levels of greatness and happiness
@keliata Where do you get the idea that happiness comes from property? People can't choose their own levels of greatness and happiness. The society can't all be made up of C.E.O.s and hedge-fund managers. In capitalism someone will always get the short end of the stick, particularly when education is expensive and investment capital is in short supply. This idea that if you're not rich then you must be lazy is naive.
@keliata It's kinda hard for people to pursue happiness if they are overly concerned with being unable to pay their credit card debt, feed their kids, afraid of getting sick or end up becoming homeless. Those are the things that capitalism has in store for those of us in the lower working classes-and farmers as well.
To my ears it's not sounding like he is promoting larger government, but an economy run by 'we the people'. The original tenets of socialism were not so much government sanctioned, only government mediated, to ensure checks and balances. Every economy has that. What he is saying is let's put an end to government funded corporatism and corporate funded fascism. makes sense to me!
Heroism is one thing I'm not so perturbed by. I could operate on J.F.K's brain forever & always come up w/the same alibi: Oswald was a gifted gun-slinger, his likes were eating lunch 90 seconds after shooting Kennedy & sneaking into movie theaters. If he had lived he could've begat children named Doug & Karen.
''...my films are shown in shopping malls and multiplexes...'' Yeah, all built by the power of capitalism.
It's frightening that in the 21st century there are still people calling for Socialism. Course, these people are generally relatively wealthy people living in societies that have benefited from Capitalist practices - you'll struggle to find people in Eastern Europe or China calling for a return of ''the glory days of Socialism''.
@revelationmd those regimes fell because they lost support from other nations and were essentially cut off, modern day 'socialism' calls for an international presence. An international revolution to give power back to ppl and away from corp so we can make decisions rationally not financially.
@eyestepback No, they fell because they lost support from their own populations because Socialism is an impossible ideal. It is simply not possible to centrally plan millions of interwoven pricing structures and as that system fails pressure naturally falls on the planners to blame their failure on other factors.
Look at the direction of migration. People emmigrate from socialised economies towards capitalist economies. Why? Because capitalism works.
@revelationmd lets remember that what you are describing is communism. Socialism is a way of thinking about the good of society. please, if you are talking about government owning the means of production you are talking about Marxist Communism. Communism is what fails. Yes. The state owning everything is stupid. Yes Marx is stupid. BUT monopoly capitalism is ruining the human race. this is only because ownership of the means of production is kept out of the hands of white and blue collar workers
@cooperativesnow No, what I am describing is Socialism. Definition: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods.
There's a good reason why ex soviet bloc eastern European Countries discarded socialism once they broke away from USSR - they recognised that not only was Communism politically awful but socialism was economically awful.
@revelationmd Micheal Moore is an ideological danger to people because he is naive and ignorant about how economic systems work. I mean, he is not a business man but an activist documentary producer. Granted he has good things to say and I feel he may be sincere...but he is definatley being used to promote larger government and less individual freedoms. Everything he wants will be undone by what he preaches, if it ever is allowed to happen. I think Moore is a dupe, not a shill.
To my ears it's not sounding like he is promoting larger government, but an economy run by 'we the people'. The original tenets of socialism were not so much government sanctioned, only government mediated, to ensure checks and balances. Every economy has that. What he is saying is let's put an end to government funded corporatism and corporate funded fascism. makes sense to me!
To my ears it's not sounding like he is promoting larger government, but an economy run by 'we the people'. The original tenets of socialism were not so much government sanctioned, only government mediated, to ensure checks and balances. Every economy has that. What he is saying is let's put an end to government funded corporatism and corporate funded fascism. makes sense to me!
@revelationmd That is not what socialism is. Socialism is about re-organizing government and society in order to protect and advance the political and economic interest of the workers, farmers and non-commisioned soldiers of the world. The soviet union fell because (although it was genuine in the first 20 years) it's socialism later on became politically corrupt under the influences of Stalin and his minions. Keep in mind that the USSR was the first socialist government, so they're (continued)
@rednemesis88 Socialism focuses on just distribution of the articles of consumption, but just distribution is impossible unless the producer knows what to produce. In order for the producer to "justly" distribute, it needs to pursue the profit mechanism where only by the profit mechanism can the producer serve those that demand it. Otherwise, there will be a misallocation of resources that cause shortages and surpluses, which were rampant in non-market socialist nations.
Michael Moore is likely one of the smartest Americans living.
Socialism has absolutely nothing to do with certain countries (Soviet Union, China etc) or narcissistic, evil dictators. It is a universal idea that should concern every single one of us, because we all live on the same planet, we all sit in the very same boat. Socialism is about understanding that every single human being is worth the same and that we can only live in a truly peaceful world if we stand together and show solidarity.
@RainbowYak That's not what my dictionary says Socialism is about. In fact my dictionary says almost the opposite. My dictionary says Socialism is about central planning of an economy. The problem with central planning of an economy is that it requires an all powerful central planner who of course is worth MORE than everyone else. History tells us that utilizing central planners - who hold all the power as they plan the entire economy - tends to lead to the rise of dictators.
@revelationmd What dictionary do you use? Anyhow, this is not what Michael Moore or myself or most other people on left want to have. We don't want a dictatorship. In fact, we want the total opposite. Oxford dictionary defines socialism as a system where production is regulated by the community as A WHOLE. My vision is a world where everybody gets a say on economic issues (direct democracy) and companies produce for the common good, rather than for the benefit of a few, crazily rich people.
@RainbowYak SOCIALISM: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods.
I appreciate that you don't desire dictatorship but can't you see that if you put the entire economy in the hands of a few 'planners' you leave society open to it - as history shows? You can't leave an economy to be administered by the collective as a whole as that would be anarchy.
Marxism? Owenism? Lovely. Let's device a 5-yr. plan to distribute oleo to the burbs by unelected central planners. They shall determine how much dog food & penicillin & antiseptic will be appropriated to sector 32. Who needs the free market anyway? Let 1982 Czechoslovakia be our touchstone. The Czechs loved waiting in line 7 hrs. for a pound of fatty, fly-blown ham. It broke the monotony of a grueling day of idling 6 hours in line for 2 gallons of petrol.
@YourUTubeMonitor what makes you think that decisions within socialism would be as scientific as a roll of the dice. Its called accumulated statistics and that is what we would base our decisions on.
Socialism is Christianity LOLOL. hmmm last time I checked Micheal Moore was a millionaire!!! And lived in a VERY large and expensive home. HE'S EVIL!! Lol Micheal Moore.
Socialism is exactly what the ultra rich what. They need government to put in legislation to destroy the real free market to protect their monopolies that have merged with government for total control. They need to tax the upper middle class in the guess of free everything for the rest and in effect destroying all competition. Leaving their power unchecked, this leads to communism where by everything comes from government. Mr. Moore couldn't do a finer job at destoying liberty if he tried.
@seanrsk Good to know there is another person who you can trust on to defend liberty where it is challenged by the Mob. You are a true American citizen.
if this guy was stupid i could understand what he says, but he is smart as a fox and is deliberately saying sh;it about our functioning society and confuses people barely able to understand high school, never mind economic theory.
this is retarded. a strong economy is not cyclical. and there is not a finite amount of money ever and always, like finite slices from one pie. the richer the rich get the more it benefits the average person. moore and needs to study economics. I do agree with his point on semantics, though
Yawn. The usual reactionary brainwashed hostility which can only exist in America. Get this. Socialism means you can still be rich The point is that with Socialism you get rich By Your Own Efforts-by making a film, or a new paperclip- other words, doing something . However you do not get rich with socialism by sitting on your fat ass and playing the stock market.
We the people do run the econamy you fat fuck. There is no gun pointed at your head making you buy that video game, or buy that car. In a free country where the people can create there own wealth by invention is up to them. If a person does not want to learn how to work so they can make more money than they will go with out. This country is so full of little crybabys who do not want to work or go to school to make something of them selfs and want the rich to take care of them. Fuck them!!!!!!!!
Moore is a multi-millionaire. That means he is "the rich man" in his little parable about taking all the slices of the pie.
It's so funny to listen to these clowns since NONE of them actually believe the idiotic drivel they spew.
Chomsky is also a millionaire, owns a million-dollar vacation house, shields his estate from taxation, takes a Pentagon subsidy, and then charges over $12k to speak to fawning lefties about the evils of "capitalism."
you cant say socialism is run by the people cause its not.The leading role is always handed to small group of individuals.you cant say how much one can eat or sleep people are not robots and you aint gonna take my fuckin land.
I'd love to hear an example of Socialism creating democracy and equality. In theory yes,in practice never.From the USSR to China, to North Korea, to Yugoslavia, to Poland, Hungary, czechoslovakia, Albania, Vietnam. etc. etc.
Capitalism is hegemonic today not because it is the best we fallible humans can do, but because it supports, and is supported by special interests of immense power. What is called "Socialism" by the Right-Wingers, is really just basic social justice. What we need is Economic Democracy! A person can imagine an economy of Democratically run enterprises that replaces our rigged capitalist financial markets with smaller economies of scale... ones that keep the wealth and resources in the community!
Socialists assume that if the legislators left persons free to follow their own inclinations, they would arrive at atheism instead of religion, ignorance instead of knowledge, poverty instead of production and exchange. - Frederick Bastiat
and replaced by the Dictatorship of the Proletariat. Such a top-heavy system is required for the elite "socialists" to plan the economy. They must have the nicer homes, nicer cars, nicer toys in order to provide the motivation to plan such a complex system as a country's economy. When the Socialist idealists are liquidated, only the loyal servants to the State and the elite Marxists remain. The loop is repeated as necessary for each Socialist revolution.
@DoctorJohnJGibbons If America hadn't started the cold war Russia might have created the workers paradise. But instead of making 'nicer cars and homes' - she had to build nuclear weapons, submarines and tanks. Like Cuba - if socialism is such a moribund system why do the yanks still place an embargo around it - why don't they just leave it to its own devices and let it fail. The truth is - the Americans have always attacked communist countries because they're scared they might succeed.
@32peartree It's interesting you say that. The "Great Purge" in the SU occurred during a time when our military was in shambles and we were still suffering through FDR's depression. Not to mention we were pre-nuclear at that time. Are you suggesting that if only the purge was, say, 50% "purgier", they would have been living in paradise? What about when millions of Ukranians were starved to death through farm collectivization and resorted to eating tree bark? During the 30's my friend.
@DoctorJohnJGibbons The USSR was attacked by eleven western countries following the Revolution - they were, also like Cuba, encircled by a trade embargo - so it became obvious from the very beginning that the Soviet Union was going to come under a ruthless and sustained attack from the Capitalist powers. Also, lest we forget - millions of communists died at the hands of the monarchist counter revolution. In the aftermath of such brutal times the most ruthless elements always gravitate to power.
The reason why USSR, North Korea, and East Germany use the terms "Democratic" and "Socialist" is to lure the sheep into believing that such a system is possible. MM mentions that "we" can "structure an economic system". Who gets to plan this economy? What are the rewards for being a planner? Don't they deserve a nicer house than the rest of the people who aren't planning the economy? The socialists are usually liquidated ASAP to prevent too much ideology from spreading...
@philbone1975 I agree with you. Big Government sucks and we have to keep it from growing. Keep Government out of our businesses, families and schools.
Micheal Moore is a fat hypocrite and closet commie . It's funny how they champion socialism as something good . LOL! Big government sucks , we see how that is effecting us now !
Read the Declaration of Independence, the US Constitution, the Federalist Papers, Bastiat's The Law. Know the history of USA or you can't support & defend it. Restore America 2012 Ron Paul RonPaul2012dotcom 1835 “Minute” on India written by Thomas Babington Macaulay; A government cannot be wrong in punishing fraud or force, but it is almost certain to be wrong if, abandoning its legitimate function, it tells private individuals that it knows their business better than they know it themselves.
For all you people eager to have a taste of socialism, come to my country. you can start by paying 55% income tax and 20% tax on everything you buy. That's only the basic taxes, I have not even started about education and health care.
I love socialism, they take more than half my income away 'for the greater good' like bailing out banks and large corporations or subsidizing worthless projects. I want capitalism so fucking bad.
@paunocu666 i think he said that because in his movie he said the opposite but instead of dissing socialism, he probably wants to point out that true socialism exists
First, I'm pissed off that John Nichols of "the Nation" wrote a book about the obvious hangup with socialism here in the States,and is getting rich off it.
Second, we have Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. However, we then have lots of people who say I don't want Obama's f*****g "socialist" heath care! But I will take this other stuff.
what does a fat rich guy know? hes fat off of profits from his movies... hes a bastard from a middle class family i trust no one who has never been poor
@Malcom123X Then why are you here, posting comments about a fat middle-class bastard on a Web site that is most likely owned and controlled by fat middle-class bastards? Exactly how fucking STUPID are you, Malcom Dickwad? Can you provide me with a precise measurement so I can perform a statistical analysis of how much more STUPID you might become over time?
I read a quote from winston churchill today. It said "if you aren't a leftist as a youth you don't have a heart, but if you aren't more to the right when you're older you don't have a brain. Honestly I find it quite cynical to say that everybody should stop believing in a fair world at age but I guess its true:P
the only way america will ever become a true socialist nation like north korea is if the american people vastly demand socialism threw riots and violance or if aliens came down to north korea and were to give the north koreans advance alien weapons, in that case i dont expect a red flag waving over washington anytime soon....
Like so many liberals, Michael Moore completely misses the point - it isn't just a question of how you divide the pie, it's also a question of how big the pie is.
So Michael Moore what you are saying is that our country and it's people to be forced to become selfish and heartless atheists. Christianity, Judism, Islam worships God and not the government or the state like you want us to. Als
He is welcome to move to his socialistic country of choice anytime. But he won’t because he knows they suck. Ohh I mean he wants to be a hero and tell us how greedy America is all the while living like a king.
e93gsx 5 hours ago
The government allows monopolies because it can use force to dictate it. Thats why all of the largest companies support socialism. You Wouldn't see monopolies in a free society. business would have no interest in politics if it followed the constitution.
RefractableMe 7 hours ago
@Jscivlancer1 Let me ask you a question. What percent of their income do you think people in the top 1% of income earners should pay per year in order to fund this socialistic government of yours?
MrLep95 18 hours ago
@chrlskrkl Well yeah, but they meant give it away in a voluntary manner, not with the coerciveness of a bureaucracy.
MrLep95 18 hours ago
@Freez57fr If you actually read my comment; you would've seen that I said, "I'm not against taxation; it is necessary." All I'm saying is that Jesus would not agree with either capitalism or socialism (especially socialism) because of the mass amount of coercion used by the government. Let's face it; taxation is technically extortion.
MrLep95 18 hours ago
Capitalism means free enterprise, sovereignty of the consumers in economic matters, and sovereignty of the voters in political matters. Socialism means full government control of every sphere of the individuals life and the unrestricted supremacy of the government in its capacity as central board of production management.
willmickel71 2 days ago 2
@willmickel71 Are you stupid?
Socialism is not full goverment control, that´s communism you mean.
Socialism is when the state owns some things like hostpital, Police, Firedepartment, schooles )Here are private scholles to)
I Live in sweden, a socialist country, we are a democrosy,
Americans are so brainwashedby fox news,
Siegfried881 1 day ago
@Siegfried881 Under your absurd definition any system could be considered Socialist. I quoted Ludwig von Mises. He was a European economist. You live in mixed economy or what could be called a social democracy not a pure Socialist system. it's sad that I have to explain this to you. Perhaps you should read about economics before lecturing me.
willmickel71 22 hours ago
@willmickel71 "Socialism means full government control of every sphere of the individuals life"
Your ignorance is astoundingly predictable of American education.
unifieddynasty 1 day ago
@unifieddynasty I quoted Ludwig von Mises. He was a an Austrian economist and philosopher. Also one of the most respected minds of the 20th century.
Idiot!!
willmickel71 23 hours ago
@willmickel71 I know who Mises is; many a stupid conservative destroy his name by frequenting a certain website named after him, whereupon they make pathetic attempts to disprove everything they hate. You shouldn't assume people you communicate with as somehow intellectually inferior or less well-travelled than yourself.
I did not critique your comment for a name. I critiqued it to show you reality, something you love to substitute for a quote from your economic messiah. Have a good day.
unifieddynasty 22 hours ago
@unifieddynasty "Your ignorance is astoundingly predictable of American education"
Pehaps you should take your own medicine before writing that presciption to others.
The quote is real. Bureaucracy by Mises (1944)
Calling eveyone you disagree with or hate as "stupid conservative" is just as midless.
There is much more to polilitcal and economic thought than some simplistic linear political spectrum.
willmickel71 21 hours ago
@willmickel71 "The quote is real."
Never said it wasn't. Please, if you want to argue, at least try to show a modicum of attention.
"Calling eveyone you disagree with or hate as "stupid conservative" is just as midless."
I don't call everyone I disagree with 'stupid conservative'. I call stupid conservatives at Mises dot org 'stupid conservative', as they are fully deserving of that honour.
unifieddynasty 21 hours ago
@unifieddynasty My reason for commenting on this video was to point out stupidity of Michael Moore. An honour that he is full deserving of.
willmickel71 21 hours ago
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@willmickel71 "My reason for commenting on this video was to point out stupidity of Michael Moore."
I never questioned your motives for insulting me from afar. You must be running out of witting retorts. Have a wonderful day. :)
unifieddynasty 13 hours ago
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@willmickel71 "There is much more to polilitcal and economic thought than some simplistic linear political spectrum."
"Capitalism means free enterprise, sovereignty of the consumers in economic matters, and sovereignty of the voters in political matters. Socialism means full government control of every sphere of the individuals life and the unrestricted supremacy of the government in its capacity as central board of production management."
^Your own comment.
unifieddynasty 21 hours ago
"Socialism is Christianity, Buddhism, Voodooism, etc"
If socialism is a religion then count me out.
JanusChristIsRisen 4 days ago
@JanusChristIsRisen "If socialism is a religion then count me out."
Socialism coincides with religious teachings of compassion, tolerance, peace, and egalitarianism. Virtually every organised religion popular today has fundamental values of caring for one's neighbour, and for one's community, or providing for the needy, etcetera. It is in that aspect that socialism is Christianity, Buddhism, Islam, etc.
unifieddynasty 1 day ago
Michael Moore for President
Siegfried881 5 days ago
@Siegfried881 or you just stupid or was you born yesterday
556anthony 1 day ago
@556anthony
I Wonder who was born yesterday
Siegfried881 1 day ago
Jesus did not preach extortion (taxation). I'm not against taxation; it is necessary. However, taxation is essentially extortion. Jesus would favor an economy in which people helped each other out VOLUNTARILY, rather than the coercion that is used by both socialism and capitalism, but socialism to a much greater extent. So for Michael Moore to call Jesus a socialist is nonsense.
MrLep95 6 days ago
@MrLep95 actually jesus encourages giving up everything and give everything to the poor in Mark 10:17
chrlskrkl 5 days ago
@MrLep95
"Jesus would favor an economy in which people helped each other out VOLUNTARILY"
--> The real life is not teletubbies...
Freez57fr 4 days ago
@MrLep95 socialism is a system by which everyone is equal. where you have equal rights to your boss. (wait thats democracy) opps :D, where you have right to everything the rich do, good education, health care, food, housing, transportation, retirement funds. where the core is human rights. and where everyone gets a chance. In capitalism, those who are rich are the top 1%. everyone else is 99%. it also happens that the bottom 99% have a lower education, lower housing and worse health. then before
JScivlancer1 4 days ago
Free Market Capitalism: "The person who doesn't work shouldn't eat"
Democratic Socialism: "The person who doesn't want to work shouldn't eat"
The difference is small... the impact is giant.
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In the US every debate is mixed with what and how the federal government is manageing...
In Germany the federal government is 1/3 the size of that of the US, but everything works better, cost efficent and is more social & just... not perfect, but better.
Zoidode 1 week ago
It's a bit tiring to hear the same dumb argument from socialists: the rich takes 9/10 of the cake and leaves 1/10 to the rest. Bullshit. Pure and simple bullshit. This has not happened since the middle ages. The rich are simply rich because they "bake the cake" themselves. They create wealth by ingenuity and by responding to popular demand. This in turn has a spillover effect on the less wealthy who stand to gain jobs from it all. The very idea of wealth being a stationary object is idiotic
mckorff 1 week ago
@mckorff idiot: the wealthy are greedy. well I guess you're right. the wealthy do break the pie themselves, for themselves. whoever is wealthy becomes wealthiest and whoever is poor becomes poorest expt a few. capitalism in america has something called a "dead peasant system" means that when the workers die, they collect the money of the health insurance and prevent the families getting it capitalism is miss-informing to get money its whats happening in America right now! so shut up!
JScivlancer1 4 days ago
@JScivlancer1 Yes the rich get richer, that nuch is true. But the poor does not get poorer. On the contrary they also get more wealth as the rich reinvest their wealth in the society. This is basic economy and knowlegde. This is the reason why workers aren't living under the same conditions now as they did 100, 200 or 300 years ago. And yes sometimes coorperations speculate and commit crimes but that has nothing to do with liberal capitalism. That my friend is called corporatism.
mckorff 4 days ago
My mom likes to call you "fat face." Michael, you are seriously deluded. Jesus Christ and the Founding Fathers would NEVER be for that Marixist bilge that dribbles from your face. Karl Marx was an atheist. All the great socialists/communists were atheists. Look how well secular societies like the USSR functioned.
CoolGuy18201 1 week ago
@CoolGuy18201 Jesus would definitely be a socialist and against capitalism. He would never accept a world of competition and individual self-interest, but rather a world where everything is shared and divided. If you had read any of his sermons you would understand this. The only system that leads to widespread atheism is capitalism, because it creates atomized individuals that no longer seek community in the longer run. I think this is good, and capitalism/atomized society is the best!
astroboomboy 1 week ago
@astroboomboy Yes He would be a capitalist because He believed in freedom and taking care of yourself in this world. Paul definitely believed that (near the end of 2nd Thessalonians). Jesus never advocated stealing from rich people you don't know and giving it to the poor people who may not deserve it! That's what the Salvation Army and Habitat for Humanity is for!
CoolGuy18201 1 week ago
@CoolGuy18201 Remember that the old communist countries are today the most religious and orthodox countries today. Communism does not get rid of christianity, but rather makes people seek religion even more. Capitalism on the other hand completely individualizes society, and slowly the need and search for religion is replaced by the search for self-fullflment through work and possessions. The most atheistic countries have the freest markets.
astroboomboy 1 week ago
@astroboomboy But, Paul says to earn your own living and don't live off of others i.e. capitalism (near the end of 2nd Thesslonians). Jesus would be for earning your own way.
CoolGuy18201 1 week ago
@CoolGuy18201 Paul is not Jesus, read the Sermont on the mount and his speech when he is in the market. Jesus was clearly against the growth of a capitalist class, and the bible is also pretty clear on earning a living by labor and not through other peoples labor. The way the bible is read today seems highly adapted to our conditions.
And, the bible also demands that you give 10% of your wealth to the poor, but of course you could interpret everything the way you want I guess. Anyway...
astroboomboy 1 week ago
He's wrong about religions. He cannot find one place in ANY scripture where it states that the government should forcibly confiscate the wealth of the minority and give it to the majority.
His type of democracy would remove the everyday decision making capability out of the hands of the individual citizens and put in the hands of the government because not everyone will make decisions for the "common good". We are self-interested people by nature. Socialism is unnatural.
coolbreezed 1 week ago
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@coolbreezed You're exactly right!!
It is not possible to argue that each individual should sacrifice for the whole of society, and yet expect each individual to know what "society's good" consists of, without having a dictator to tell them.
willmickel71 1 week ago
@coolbreezed Actually I think you are wrong. In the bible I think you can find several passages that gives the right to kings and authorities to collect money from the people. The bible seems to be clear on respecting the kings authority. It is also clear that people should give away what they do not need for themselves, and that this can be done through force by a community like the church. It all depends on interpretation, and that is why the bible never works as a universal guide.
astroboomboy 1 week ago
@Eclipsepoland Which country in the world is what has the best welfare?
lazytower1 2 weeks ago
this fat idiot dont know whats the meaning of word - " capitalism" is - and he wrote book about it... *Facepalm*
and economy IS run by people in capitalism in socialism is runned by corrupted beaurocrats ( like today )
Eclipsepoland 2 weeks ago
@Eclipsepoland Socialism is democracy. By paying high taxes you get a lot of goods, like free health care, schools and so on. I don't understand why you americans look so negative on socialism. And there are other forms of socialism, like Social democracy. Social democracy stands for mixed economy, economic disparities and an active welfare state and also cooperation with private capital interests and the expansion of social welfare and public sector.
lazytower1 2 weeks ago
@lazytower1 u just said yourself " WE PAY TAXES to recive FREE health care" i got news for u - u dont pay for free things...
and what kind of goods i recive from goverment ? they dont produce food or clothes
Public schools cost more then private ones - the same thing goes for health care...
if they promise U 100 $ they will take from u 140 $ - 40 $ to feed the bureaucrats and your 100 $ back to U - Congrats u just made a great deal.
Eclipsepoland 2 weeks ago
@Eclipsepoland It's not only for free health care, but also so people that aren't able to work can get social security, we also pay amounts of money to our pension.
Maybe you should watch any of Michael Moore's documentaries and maybe you will learn how things work. You are probably just a greedy capitalist thinking that makes America a better place, well guess what it doesn't. Things are worse than ever, maybe it's time for change, and THEN you'll learn socialism is good!
lazytower1 2 weeks ago
@lazytower1 Michael Moore is an Idiot - that dont even know whats hes talking about
And i Know how things work - plus i dont care about what u think - build socialism in your own country - its good for me - we will some cheep workers when we restore freedom in my country and you're on your way to make USA so shitty that even mexicans wont come for work.
Eclipsepoland 2 weeks ago
@Eclipsepoland An idiot? Are you fucking kidding me? You are an idiot for not understanding. Have you seen his documentaries? Or are you retarded? HE is the only reasonable american out there, watch his documentaries and you'll see all his points. He points out all the things that are wrong with America, including CAPITALISM!
lazytower1 1 week ago
@lazytower1 Listen u fucking waste of proteins ... visit some dictionary before u waste any more of my time - find out what capitalism is - and answer to yourself " if capitalism is present now in America or we have socialism in America"
Check the meaning of the Word " socialism" as well.
And dont come back with no proper conclusions parasite
Good bye.
Eclipsepoland 1 week ago
@Eclipsepoland I now exactly what I need to know about socialism and capitalism! I study fucking economics you shitwad! And not the whole world comes from a fucking english speaking country you piece of shit! Why is America afraid of change if it is for the better? Open your eyes! America is in its worst crisis than ever, still, most americans don't understand, the only thing they do understand is that they're americans, and that they think they're the kings of the world!
lazytower1 1 week ago
@lazytower1 USA is Socialist now u idiot.. thats why...
"Free market capitalism consists of a free-price system where supply and demand are allowed to reach their point of equilibrium without intervention by the government. Productive enterprises are privately owned, and the role of the state is limited to protecting property rights."
Eclipsepoland 1 week ago
@Eclipsepoland OMG, I give up trying to explain you this, you shitwad. GOOD BYE!
lazytower1 1 week ago
scosalism takes away the economical freedom of people. where the government can controlhow the corperations oporate
7777TheShade 2 weeks ago
@7777TheShade No it isn't. In Norway we base out politics on socialism, and we are not communists. Look at countries like Cuba? That's a communist country, they don't for example import anything, in Norway we import and eksport lots of oil, fish and so on.
lazytower1 2 weeks ago
@lazytower1 still america is about a government that doesnt get involved in peoples personal decisions like having there own business.
7777TheShade 2 weeks ago
Why does all americans think that socialism is the same thing as communism?
lazytower1 2 weeks ago
@lazytower1 because it is
7777TheShade 2 weeks ago
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@lazytower1 "Why does all americans think that socialism is the same thing as communism?"
I think it is due to a very poor quality education system.I'm in my 40's and did not attend university.Until a few years ago I had no clue what anything was when it came to politics,philosophy,science.Critical thinking was a term I'd never heard of.People in the US like to think we have such a great education system,we don't.It's crap!But our unwillingness to admit that keeps it crap.
acromagnonman 1 week ago
why can't everyone get this. I'm going to make a simple political spectrum for you from left to right
Anarchism....Communism....Liberal(Democrats)......Moderate (I'll put Libertarian here because it can lean both ways)......Conservative(Republicans)....Fascism. There's ALOT in between all that but that's the simplest way i could put it.
warez1911 2 weeks ago
that blowhard is not george washington
electrohacker 2 weeks ago
socialism is communism you fat fuck. jesus was conservative. he loved everyone but he believed that ppl who sin should be punished. ppl who sit around and sin should not be awarded. its a messed up ideology and marx shouldn't even get a second of recognition, he was mentally retarded
scarsofbravery 2 weeks ago
@scarsofbravery regurgitated right-wing propaganda...
DeweyZinnChomskyFisk 2 weeks ago
@scarsofbravery My great-grandfather always told me that Jesus was a socialist. In my opinion, by looking at his teachings, Jesus clearly was; "sell your possessions and give to the poor" is pretty clear cut to me.
He most certainly was not a conservative, that's for sure.
BasilFawlty4444 2 weeks ago
@scarsofbravery If socialism is communism then konservatism is the same has facism you retard....
Slagetommi 2 weeks ago
@Slagetommi 1. learn how to spell 2. conservative ideology doesn't involve dictators. 3. learn how to spell
scarsofbravery 2 weeks ago
@scarsofbravery Actually you're wrong. Fascism believes in a return to the traditional values of the nation in which it exists, similar to conservatism. Fascists and conservatives are both socially conservative. Fascists are officially fiscally conservative as well, but usually they really control the economy through secretive/military means. Both the left and right have dictatorial idealogies among them, and I'm tired to you righties ignoring that!
CaveTro11 2 weeks ago
@scarsofbravery Oh my god get an education. Socialism is an economic ideal used by a communist gov't. Socialism CAN exist without communism. Communism CAN'T exist without socialism. To be honest, I would say jesus was more of a socialist than anything. Socialism is a redistribution of the wealth which is supposed to create an entirely equal society. Has it worked in countries that have tried it? For the most part no. Socialism is exploited often aka North Korea, Cuba etc...
warez1911 2 weeks ago
Socialism just capitilism any way that what we have any how,not like its pre germany 1935 with zero taxes i wouldnt ike that type of capitilsm .
omega4chimp 3 weeks ago
Even if economic planning has come hand in glove in such a developmental process of socialism, chances are capitalism would somehow become impotent because various functions in a democratic world would have no capacity to actually centralize alot of processings of securing economic resources.
Ringvireot 3 weeks ago
My previous post should read: "Michael Moore isn't talking about Communism so DON'T consider the former Soviet Union or Cuba."
Kritiker313 3 weeks ago in playlist Favorite videos
Michael Moore isn't talking about Communism so consider the former Soviet Union or Cuba. What Michael Moore is referring to is "Democratic" Socialism. It's the same type of Socialism embraced by Sweden, Norway and Denmark. It's far more humane than the Capitalism which steals from the poor and gives to the rich.
Kritiker313 3 weeks ago in playlist Favorite videos 2
@Kritiker313
"It's the same type of Socialism embraced by Sweden, Norway and Denmark. It's far more humane than the Capitalism which steals from the poor and gives to the rich. "
Actually, I live in Stockholm. I make 50,000 a year, and we get taxed 75% of our annual salary. You talk as if you had any knowledge of the Scandinavian countries, when in fact you are an ignorant Michael Moore bootlicker.
Romansteel13 3 weeks ago 2
@Romansteel13 Yes, in fact I DO have vast knowledge of the Scandinavian countries. And yes, Swedes pay DO high taxes--even at the rate of 75%,depending on income.
But you don't live in anywhere in Sweden! Your comment is solid proof of that. What you are is a half-brain liar. You're not worth my time.
Kritiker313 3 weeks ago
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Sweet! Great Job! Occupy Rochester!
Great video and very fitting for Occupy Wall St. I like the picture of the guy stuffing his mouth with money at 1:47. It reminds me that greed is a sort of gluttony. It's destroying America.
"Yes, in fact I DO have vast knowledge of the Scandinavian countries."
You are the liar here.
You live in America, you are the reason why the rest of the world hates your people.
I remember distinctly my city of Stockholm cheering when 9/11 happened.
Romansteel13 3 weeks ago
@Kritiker313 look, the thing is, whenever you start to compare Sweden and Norway with the United States, you are already on the losing end of the argument.
You can't even begin to compare Sweden, a racially and culturally homogenous society with less than 1% of the U.S. population, with the U.S.
Our two countries are so far apart in terms of culture, economics and overall attitude.
Nowhere in Sweden will you find cities as crime ridden as Washington D.C. or Atlanta Ga. for one.
Shaymeonyoo 3 weeks ago
@Shaymeonyoo Sweden is not as homogenous as it used to be. Crime is going up and they are having huge problems with Muslim immigrants like most of Europe...thanks to the socialist multiculturalist polices of the liberal elite. In 10 years places like Malmo in Sweden will be as bad or worse than many poor inner cities in the USA.
Hereticalable 2 weeks ago
@Hereticalable I don't think it is even question of religion as the fact that people that immigrated in Sweden are better off when they claim their social security money from Sweden than to bust their asses working in their previous country and that gives them little inscentive to be productive part of Swedish economy
soopie1 2 weeks ago
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@Hereticalable I don't think it is even question of religion as the fact that people that immigrated in Sweden are better off when they claim their social security money from Sweden than to bust their asses working in their previous country and that gives them little inscentive to be productive part of Swedish economy
soopie1 2 weeks ago
What is fat, stupid, and wears a red baseball cap?
RadarGuidedVermin 4 weeks ago 2
@RadarGuidedVermin A Sox fan?
garrywarne1 3 weeks ago
Socialism can't function without capitalism. It just leeches off it's efficiency and success and takes all the credit.
ssoonn88 4 weeks ago
If you're hung up on the word Socialism just wikipedia Social Democracy and you've got a much nicer definition on something everyone should be able to agree upon.
robotacon 1 month ago
Socialism works if the country is cool with being taxed their balls off.
Guys, you know that the rich people are in fact getting your money from your choices. Choose to make your own food, maybe grow it as well! lol
Govt is not the answer, you are the answer, don't try and get something possibly for free when it isn't free at all.
SuperJonesable 1 month ago
@SuperJonesable Man what a deep intellectual response. Because there's taxes in a moneyless state(which socialism eventually becomes)
z0mby 4 weeks ago
Fucking socialist, trying to take us our freedom to give safety.
Freedom is foundation of life.
BETTER DEAD THAN RED!
lysykolo 1 month ago
What the hell?!?! He just supported communism! That bastard! This is one of those times where i hate him
USACapitalism4ever 1 month ago
Lose some weight you 4F bootfuck retard.
MadeoOnTheRadeo 1 month ago
"religion is the opium of the people"
-Karl Marx
magicthunder666 1 month ago
To all Michael Moore fans....
I know I have posted some negative views on this video but let's put that to one side on this day of mourning for you. May I offer my deepest condolences for your loss - Kim Jong Il will always be remembered as one of the most peace loving Socialist leaders - known deaths under his regime only running into the tens of thousands.
RIP Kim Jong Il.
revelationmd 1 month ago
@revelationmd
That's not Socialism - it's not even genuine Communism.
It's enhanced Capitalism. Where one person, instead of a few thousand, gets all the loot.
Kim-Jong-Il represented a monarchy - indeed a religious monarchy - with himself as the deity of the moment. He lived in luxury while millions of his people starved and died - he took all the money for himself.
That makes him a great entrepeneur - he seized an opportunity to vastly increase profit for himself.
jazzx251 1 month ago
@jazzx251 You don't know the difference between capitalism and socialism.
Capitalism is where prices are defined by the free market and the population have ownership rights to the means of production. Socialism is where the collective / government owns all means of production and centrally plans the economy.
People who advocate socialism seem to believe that every failed attempt ''wasn't proper socialism - next time it will be perfect when we hand absolute power to a few leaders''.
revelationmd 1 month ago
@revelationmd
"Capitalism is where prices are defined by the free market and the population have ownership rights to the means of production"
Congratulations on becoming a socialist!
Look at the Chinese - the communist nation that is now the only capitalist economic super power left.
While America was busy self-destructing through corrupt estate agents, bankers and stock brokers, the Chinese were publicly executing anyone in business suspected of corruption.
jazzx251 1 month ago
@revelationmd Your argument has a grain of truth to it, but it is nevertheless flaud.
The vast majority of the world's nations are capitalist and they are mostly nightmares.
The United States did not become wealthy through fair business but through ruthless imperialism.
A good enough chunk of its citizens are kept well-off because corporations require indifferent consumers to devour their plundered Third World goods. Some might call this immoral.
Also Moore is a hypocrite.
cslad1 1 month ago
@revelationmd Genuine socialism, as Moore implied, is when the government and the economy are structured in such a way so that everyone has an equal opportunity to enrich themselves. If you don't have that, it's not socialism. There is no socialism in North Korea. Making such blatant straw mans which say otherwise only reveals that you don't really have anything compelling to say and that you have no idea of what you're talking about.
Nathan173AB 1 month ago
@Nathan173AB Yep. Or I own a dictionary. You (and Moore) are talking about what you wish socialism was - not what socialism actually is. Socialism is when the state owns all means of production - so sure, if you have a benevolant state, in theory this could result in an equitable society. In reality it never does. And that is without even looking at the inefficiency implications of a centrally planned economy. Central planning doesn't work. It never has.
revelationmd 1 month ago
@revelationmd Saying "central planning doesn't work" is not a valid argument because it doesn't pinpoint any specific method. What do you mean by central planning? That has to be answered to determine whether or not it works. Of course the Soviet and North Korean methods of central planning by giving a small group of people all the power to decide doesn't work. So use different methods.
Nathan173AB 4 weeks ago
@revelationmd You seem to be under this misinformation that Moore and us "liberal hippies" want the socialism that North Korea and the Soviets used, which is not true. We want methods that make the values of socialism work, not what they have/had.
Nathan173AB 4 weeks ago
@revelationmd In other words, what is the "plan" in your central planning?
Nathan173AB 4 weeks ago
I like how there's like 30 people sitting in the audience.
MortTheCat 1 month ago
Jesus was a communist. So every christian better shut the fuck up and start hating on capitalism.
denis505 1 month ago
Life liberty and the pursuit of happiness! Hard work=property=happiness. What's wrong with being happy? Let people choose their own levels of greatness and happiness
keliata 1 month ago
@keliata Where do you get the idea that happiness comes from property? People can't choose their own levels of greatness and happiness. The society can't all be made up of C.E.O.s and hedge-fund managers. In capitalism someone will always get the short end of the stick, particularly when education is expensive and investment capital is in short supply. This idea that if you're not rich then you must be lazy is naive.
HardHouseMusic4Me 1 month ago
@keliata It's kinda hard for people to pursue happiness if they are overly concerned with being unable to pay their credit card debt, feed their kids, afraid of getting sick or end up becoming homeless. Those are the things that capitalism has in store for those of us in the lower working classes-and farmers as well.
rednemesis88 1 month ago
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To my ears it's not sounding like he is promoting larger government, but an economy run by 'we the people'. The original tenets of socialism were not so much government sanctioned, only government mediated, to ensure checks and balances. Every economy has that. What he is saying is let's put an end to government funded corporatism and corporate funded fascism. makes sense to me!
brainboob 1 month ago
I think Micheal Moore took 9/10 of the pie.
stevewellz 1 month ago
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Lizzy 2 doesn't make requests to Canada & Australia, she commands.
YourUTubeMonitor 1 month ago
Some of us can't distinguish betwixt Grady Sutton & Frank Sutton.
YourUTubeMonitor 1 month ago
Demand the furtherance of American eugenics through comprehensive legislation! Abortion is our birthright! Let our mantra be:
ABORTION IS OUR BIRTHRIGHT!
YourUTubeMonitor 1 month ago
Commie Moore...people people people...
YourUTubeMonitor 1 month ago
Heroism is one thing I'm not so perturbed by. I could operate on J.F.K's brain forever & always come up w/the same alibi: Oswald was a gifted gun-slinger, his likes were eating lunch 90 seconds after shooting Kennedy & sneaking into movie theaters. If he had lived he could've begat children named Doug & Karen.
YourUTubeMonitor 1 month ago
''...my films are shown in shopping malls and multiplexes...'' Yeah, all built by the power of capitalism.
It's frightening that in the 21st century there are still people calling for Socialism. Course, these people are generally relatively wealthy people living in societies that have benefited from Capitalist practices - you'll struggle to find people in Eastern Europe or China calling for a return of ''the glory days of Socialism''.
revelationmd 2 months ago
@revelationmd those regimes fell because they lost support from other nations and were essentially cut off, modern day 'socialism' calls for an international presence. An international revolution to give power back to ppl and away from corp so we can make decisions rationally not financially.
eyestepback 1 month ago
@eyestepback No, they fell because they lost support from their own populations because Socialism is an impossible ideal. It is simply not possible to centrally plan millions of interwoven pricing structures and as that system fails pressure naturally falls on the planners to blame their failure on other factors.
Look at the direction of migration. People emmigrate from socialised economies towards capitalist economies. Why? Because capitalism works.
revelationmd 1 month ago
@revelationmd lets remember that what you are describing is communism. Socialism is a way of thinking about the good of society. please, if you are talking about government owning the means of production you are talking about Marxist Communism. Communism is what fails. Yes. The state owning everything is stupid. Yes Marx is stupid. BUT monopoly capitalism is ruining the human race. this is only because ownership of the means of production is kept out of the hands of white and blue collar workers
cooperativesnow 1 month ago
@cooperativesnow No, what I am describing is Socialism. Definition: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods.
There's a good reason why ex soviet bloc eastern European Countries discarded socialism once they broke away from USSR - they recognised that not only was Communism politically awful but socialism was economically awful.
revelationmd 1 month ago
@revelationmd Micheal Moore is an ideological danger to people because he is naive and ignorant about how economic systems work. I mean, he is not a business man but an activist documentary producer. Granted he has good things to say and I feel he may be sincere...but he is definatley being used to promote larger government and less individual freedoms. Everything he wants will be undone by what he preaches, if it ever is allowed to happen. I think Moore is a dupe, not a shill.
GutsBrandedSwordsman 1 month ago
@GutsBrandedSwordsman
To my ears it's not sounding like he is promoting larger government, but an economy run by 'we the people'. The original tenets of socialism were not so much government sanctioned, only government mediated, to ensure checks and balances. Every economy has that. What he is saying is let's put an end to government funded corporatism and corporate funded fascism. makes sense to me!
brainboob 1 month ago
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@GutsBrandedSwordsman
To my ears it's not sounding like he is promoting larger government, but an economy run by 'we the people'. The original tenets of socialism were not so much government sanctioned, only government mediated, to ensure checks and balances. Every economy has that. What he is saying is let's put an end to government funded corporatism and corporate funded fascism. makes sense to me!
brainboob 1 month ago
@revelationmd That is not what socialism is. Socialism is about re-organizing government and society in order to protect and advance the political and economic interest of the workers, farmers and non-commisioned soldiers of the world. The soviet union fell because (although it was genuine in the first 20 years) it's socialism later on became politically corrupt under the influences of Stalin and his minions. Keep in mind that the USSR was the first socialist government, so they're (continued)
rednemesis88 1 month ago
@rednemesis88 Socialism focuses on just distribution of the articles of consumption, but just distribution is impossible unless the producer knows what to produce. In order for the producer to "justly" distribute, it needs to pursue the profit mechanism where only by the profit mechanism can the producer serve those that demand it. Otherwise, there will be a misallocation of resources that cause shortages and surpluses, which were rampant in non-market socialist nations.
GunsNRosesbitches 1 month ago
Michael Moore is likely one of the smartest Americans living.
Socialism has absolutely nothing to do with certain countries (Soviet Union, China etc) or narcissistic, evil dictators. It is a universal idea that should concern every single one of us, because we all live on the same planet, we all sit in the very same boat. Socialism is about understanding that every single human being is worth the same and that we can only live in a truly peaceful world if we stand together and show solidarity.
RainbowYak 2 months ago
@RainbowYak That's not what my dictionary says Socialism is about. In fact my dictionary says almost the opposite. My dictionary says Socialism is about central planning of an economy. The problem with central planning of an economy is that it requires an all powerful central planner who of course is worth MORE than everyone else. History tells us that utilizing central planners - who hold all the power as they plan the entire economy - tends to lead to the rise of dictators.
revelationmd 2 months ago
@revelationmd What dictionary do you use? Anyhow, this is not what Michael Moore or myself or most other people on left want to have. We don't want a dictatorship. In fact, we want the total opposite. Oxford dictionary defines socialism as a system where production is regulated by the community as A WHOLE. My vision is a world where everybody gets a say on economic issues (direct democracy) and companies produce for the common good, rather than for the benefit of a few, crazily rich people.
RainbowYak 2 months ago
@RainbowYak SOCIALISM: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods.
I appreciate that you don't desire dictatorship but can't you see that if you put the entire economy in the hands of a few 'planners' you leave society open to it - as history shows? You can't leave an economy to be administered by the collective as a whole as that would be anarchy.
revelationmd 1 month ago
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@RainbowYak : I don't want to be a slave.
YourUTubeMonitor 1 month ago
Marxism? Owenism? Lovely. Let's device a 5-yr. plan to distribute oleo to the burbs by unelected central planners. They shall determine how much dog food & penicillin & antiseptic will be appropriated to sector 32. Who needs the free market anyway? Let 1982 Czechoslovakia be our touchstone. The Czechs loved waiting in line 7 hrs. for a pound of fatty, fly-blown ham. It broke the monotony of a grueling day of idling 6 hours in line for 2 gallons of petrol.
YourUTubeMonitor 2 months ago
@YourUTubeMonitor what makes you think that decisions within socialism would be as scientific as a roll of the dice. Its called accumulated statistics and that is what we would base our decisions on.
eyestepback 1 month ago
@eyestepback : Who are "we"? Surely, you are without power.
YourUTubeMonitor 1 month ago
Socialism is Christianity LOLOL. hmmm last time I checked Micheal Moore was a millionaire!!! And lived in a VERY large and expensive home. HE'S EVIL!! Lol Micheal Moore.
Owliganka 2 months ago
Change back what I said about one person who you can trust on into many now.
RA9U1 2 months ago
Socialism is exactly what the ultra rich what. They need government to put in legislation to destroy the real free market to protect their monopolies that have merged with government for total control. They need to tax the upper middle class in the guess of free everything for the rest and in effect destroying all competition. Leaving their power unchecked, this leads to communism where by everything comes from government. Mr. Moore couldn't do a finer job at destoying liberty if he tried.
seanrsk 2 months ago
@seanrsk Good to know there is another person who you can trust on to defend liberty where it is challenged by the Mob. You are a true American citizen.
RA9U1 2 months ago
if this guy was stupid i could understand what he says, but he is smart as a fox and is deliberately saying sh;it about our functioning society and confuses people barely able to understand high school, never mind economic theory.
alistairthegreat 2 months ago
Humans suck, and nothing can change this sad fact. If humanity makes it to the next century It will still be the same......greed indeed
Javeriffic 2 months ago
this is retarded. a strong economy is not cyclical. and there is not a finite amount of money ever and always, like finite slices from one pie. the richer the rich get the more it benefits the average person. moore and needs to study economics. I do agree with his point on semantics, though
theAbeElement 2 months ago
Yawn. The usual reactionary brainwashed hostility which can only exist in America. Get this. Socialism means you can still be rich The point is that with Socialism you get rich By Your Own Efforts-by making a film, or a new paperclip- other words, doing something . However you do not get rich with socialism by sitting on your fat ass and playing the stock market.
That is the simple difference.
stylophobia 2 months ago
We the people do run the econamy you fat fuck. There is no gun pointed at your head making you buy that video game, or buy that car. In a free country where the people can create there own wealth by invention is up to them. If a person does not want to learn how to work so they can make more money than they will go with out. This country is so full of little crybabys who do not want to work or go to school to make something of them selfs and want the rich to take care of them. Fuck them!!!!!!!!
jmkaudio 2 months ago
Moore is a multi-millionaire. That means he is "the rich man" in his little parable about taking all the slices of the pie.
It's so funny to listen to these clowns since NONE of them actually believe the idiotic drivel they spew.
Chomsky is also a millionaire, owns a million-dollar vacation house, shields his estate from taxation, takes a Pentagon subsidy, and then charges over $12k to speak to fawning lefties about the evils of "capitalism."
MillionthUsername 2 months ago
you cant say socialism is run by the people cause its not.The leading role is always handed to small group of individuals.you cant say how much one can eat or sleep people are not robots and you aint gonna take my fuckin land.
boy577 2 months ago
I think we can find the solution in in islamic economy just read it well and understand it
zaza446 2 months ago
I'd love to hear an example of Socialism creating democracy and equality. In theory yes,in practice never.From the USSR to China, to North Korea, to Yugoslavia, to Poland, Hungary, czechoslovakia, Albania, Vietnam. etc. etc.
DrummerTurner 2 months ago
Capitalism is hegemonic today not because it is the best we fallible humans can do, but because it supports, and is supported by special interests of immense power. What is called "Socialism" by the Right-Wingers, is really just basic social justice. What we need is Economic Democracy! A person can imagine an economy of Democratically run enterprises that replaces our rigged capitalist financial markets with smaller economies of scale... ones that keep the wealth and resources in the community!
CosmicFork 2 months ago
Socialists assume that if the legislators left persons free to follow their own inclinations, they would arrive at atheism instead of religion, ignorance instead of knowledge, poverty instead of production and exchange. - Frederick Bastiat
Superlibertytv 2 months ago
THERE'S ALOT BEING SAID, BUT ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS...BLAH BLAH BLAH
Aboxatax 2 months ago
Where's McCarthy?
AirplaneRadio 2 months ago
and replaced by the Dictatorship of the Proletariat. Such a top-heavy system is required for the elite "socialists" to plan the economy. They must have the nicer homes, nicer cars, nicer toys in order to provide the motivation to plan such a complex system as a country's economy. When the Socialist idealists are liquidated, only the loyal servants to the State and the elite Marxists remain. The loop is repeated as necessary for each Socialist revolution.
DoctorJohnJGibbons 2 months ago
@DoctorJohnJGibbons If America hadn't started the cold war Russia might have created the workers paradise. But instead of making 'nicer cars and homes' - she had to build nuclear weapons, submarines and tanks. Like Cuba - if socialism is such a moribund system why do the yanks still place an embargo around it - why don't they just leave it to its own devices and let it fail. The truth is - the Americans have always attacked communist countries because they're scared they might succeed.
32peartree 2 months ago
@32peartree It's interesting you say that. The "Great Purge" in the SU occurred during a time when our military was in shambles and we were still suffering through FDR's depression. Not to mention we were pre-nuclear at that time. Are you suggesting that if only the purge was, say, 50% "purgier", they would have been living in paradise? What about when millions of Ukranians were starved to death through farm collectivization and resorted to eating tree bark? During the 30's my friend.
DoctorJohnJGibbons 2 months ago
@DoctorJohnJGibbons The USSR was attacked by eleven western countries following the Revolution - they were, also like Cuba, encircled by a trade embargo - so it became obvious from the very beginning that the Soviet Union was going to come under a ruthless and sustained attack from the Capitalist powers. Also, lest we forget - millions of communists died at the hands of the monarchist counter revolution. In the aftermath of such brutal times the most ruthless elements always gravitate to power.
32peartree 2 months ago
The reason why USSR, North Korea, and East Germany use the terms "Democratic" and "Socialist" is to lure the sheep into believing that such a system is possible. MM mentions that "we" can "structure an economic system". Who gets to plan this economy? What are the rewards for being a planner? Don't they deserve a nicer house than the rest of the people who aren't planning the economy? The socialists are usually liquidated ASAP to prevent too much ideology from spreading...
DoctorJohnJGibbons 2 months ago
@philbone1975 I agree with you. Big Government sucks and we have to keep it from growing. Keep Government out of our businesses, families and schools.
lifeforce218 2 months ago
Micheal Moore is a fat hypocrite and closet commie . It's funny how they champion socialism as something good . LOL! Big government sucks , we see how that is effecting us now !
philbone1975 2 months ago
Michael, Please move to N Korea and tell me how great it is there, or P.R. of China. I will pay for your one way ticket.
travispavlik 2 months ago
@travispavlik dude really are u stupid? Those countries say they are socialist but in fact they are dictatorships.
Nielsvern 2 months ago 2
Michael Moore is full of shit
1991RubenV 2 months ago
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possumpistol 2 months ago
Michael Moore would be a skinny guy if he wasn't full of shit.
dannyluv221 2 months ago
Your country is not socialistic. Sweden and Germany is closer to true socialism.
FrontwaveVideo 2 months ago
For all you people eager to have a taste of socialism, come to my country. you can start by paying 55% income tax and 20% tax on everything you buy. That's only the basic taxes, I have not even started about education and health care.
I love socialism, they take more than half my income away 'for the greater good' like bailing out banks and large corporations or subsidizing worthless projects. I want capitalism so fucking bad.
ApocDevTeam 2 months ago
socialism is democracy ? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAH
comee to venezuela Mister Michael Moore...
paunocu666 2 months ago
@paunocu666 i think he said that because in his movie he said the opposite but instead of dissing socialism, he probably wants to point out that true socialism exists
gvlvbkhv 2 months ago
First, I'm pissed off that John Nichols of "the Nation" wrote a book about the obvious hangup with socialism here in the States,and is getting rich off it.
Second, we have Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. However, we then have lots of people who say I don't want Obama's f*****g "socialist" heath care! But I will take this other stuff.
Will this ever change?
whereismybailouttv 2 months ago
Is this about communism?
theNguitar 3 months ago
you fat slob. put your fucking money where your mouth is, and go move to cuba. Fucking faggot
steelcityusa 3 months ago
what does a fat rich guy know? hes fat off of profits from his movies... hes a bastard from a middle class family i trust no one who has never been poor
Malcom123X 3 months ago
@Malcom123X Then why are you here, posting comments about a fat middle-class bastard on a Web site that is most likely owned and controlled by fat middle-class bastards? Exactly how fucking STUPID are you, Malcom Dickwad? Can you provide me with a precise measurement so I can perform a statistical analysis of how much more STUPID you might become over time?
davidlkendall 3 months ago
I read a quote from winston churchill today. It said "if you aren't a leftist as a youth you don't have a heart, but if you aren't more to the right when you're older you don't have a brain. Honestly I find it quite cynical to say that everybody should stop believing in a fair world at age but I guess its true:P
G3JWZ 3 months ago
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
SumRandomRem 3 months ago
the only way america will ever become a true socialist nation like north korea is if the american people vastly demand socialism threw riots and violance or if aliens came down to north korea and were to give the north koreans advance alien weapons, in that case i dont expect a red flag waving over washington anytime soon....
MrWallyos 3 months ago
Like so many liberals, Michael Moore completely misses the point - it isn't just a question of how you divide the pie, it's also a question of how big the pie is.
StevenSilverman 3 months ago
So Michael Moore what you are saying is that our country and it's people to be forced to become selfish and heartless atheists. Christianity, Judism, Islam worships God and not the government or the state like you want us to. Als