I found my point (anticlimactic)

[casperado666]

nice vid man

[chindoo]

I think you got your point. Now I agree with you where as originally I thought you were just trying to deny us the title of "Community" . PS you have such a peaceful demeanour. (spelling!!!??!)

[Aplaplap]

"trying to organise atheists is like trying to herd cats" seems like an appropriate quote right here

[brdajo365]

there's one problem with your point. Many protestant sects (i make no claim as to majority or anything like that) believe in justification by faith alone--meaning you're saved by mere belief.

I think your criticism is more directed toward Catholicism which does believe in both justification by faith and works.

Your argument shouldn't be directed at any religion, however, just belief in god. Atheism isn't the opposite of religion, and that's where your argument gets lost.

[viktorcaleis]

That is exactly what Atheism is , a lack in believing in a God.

[psychogranddad]

pope bent a dick.

[Hiberniensis]

That's just the point. Atheism does not and cannot regulate behaviour. It's literally lawless. The behavioural side of consistent atheism is anarchism. With no absolute standard, the individual can do whatever the hell he wants. Which is why (generally) atheists *say* there's no absolute source of right and wrong but in practice they have to *act* as if there were. Far from religion being a purely private matter, it's atheism that's a purely private matter. It can't work on the social level.

[Erenicus]

Nice vid.. :-D

[thejackinatoroid]

Is a shared disbelief enough commonality to form a community.

All other communities manifest or reflect their existences through common behaviours by their members. Athiests have no identifiable behaviours.

[GermanExceptionalism]

Well Cristofer7, I'll be leaving town for christmas and want to wish you and your family a blessed christmas celebration. It is officially going towards brighter times and we should all take some time to relax with friends and family.

I'll miss your videos, but hope you'll keep up the good work in 2008.

btw: Did they celebrate anything similar in Africa around this time back in the days (like they did in europe)?

Cheers!

Your friend in Germany

[KRiSTENGiSLEFOSS]

In this time of year it is really heartwarming to see how the tube connects people from all different colors and parts of the world in friendship. It can sure work as a great tool to promote tolerance and peace in the world.

[bwhahrhr]

hmm

[BoomSelekta]

"Atheism is just aknowledging fact"...

"Fact" according to whom? So-called "scientific fact"? (I guess having the title "scientist" and winning a nobel prize makes one an expert on the world and on existence itself). Is it the "fact" of God's supposed non-existence? If you can't prove that God does NOT exist, then it can never be fact. I have heard many an atheist say that you cannot "prove a negative". In this case, when will atheism ever be based on anything other than conjecture?

[top2d2]

great job

[jasonhoblin]

brilliant.

[YourSuperiorSays]

who wants to donate me some monaaay?

i'll send you my best wishes in return.

[templarart]

Very nice! In fact I can sometimes find better community with a theist who has a similar philosophy to mine than with an atheist with an opposing philosophy.

[DarkOceanAdam]

wow. congrats to be the first person in a while to tell me something I haven't already thought about. sersiously. awesome vid.

[archraw]

I agree with this and the later video. To be honest I have always been an atheist, just went about my life just not being religious and avoiding the guys on the corner yelling at the world. This atheist community idea has only come about since I have been on YT. I have better things to do with my time than arguing with the religious.

[suschrost]

then go back to sucking dicks

[jsu401]

i may not agree (i being catholic) with you but atleast your arguement is not ignoreant as Mr AmazingAtheist. so 4 stars

[spankinrufus]

"To be clear: the opposite of religious belief is not atheism or secularism or humanism. It is not an 'ism'. It is independence of mind -- that's all."

-Martin Amis

[fpm229]

Those who claim 100% certainty (whether atheists or theists) are only deluding themselves. Those who feel the need to openly criticize the beliefs of others are lacking in self-esteem.

[beansproutlord]

Mm. I've never met an atheist who claimed that they knew with "100% certainty" that there is no god. You must have met some pretty wierd atheists... over there in la-la land.

Secondly, that predictable comment about those who criticise beliefs "lacking in self esteem" is just beneath contempt. Stupid beliefs can and should be criticised, mauled, chewed up and crapped out as little nuggets of truth. Or we could "respect everyone else's beliefs"... and regress towards the dark ages. :)

[fpm229]

Seriously having a hard time understanding your comments. You do understand that athiests claim that God does not exist, right?

Secondly, who are you to judge what is or is not a "stupid belief"? No one should care if anyone is either atheist or Christian; everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, and nobody should mock the beliefs of others. To each his own. Peace...

[beansproutlord]

1. Mate, atheists don't believe in gods. Usually due to the lack of evidence that gods exist. Atheists do not, as a rule, claim "I am 100%, absolutely 100% certain that god doesn't exist!", as you can't prove a negative. I can't imagine where you met these "100% certain" atheists.

2. Sure, people do have the right to hold stupid beliefs, and other people have the right to point out how stupid those beliefs are. In fact, they have a responsibility to the human race to mock such beliefs. ;p

[fpm229]

So you admit that you can't proove 100% that God does not exist. That makes you at best, equal to those who claim that He does exist. Truth: Those who feel the need to openly criticize the beliefs of others (believers or non-believers), are lacking in self-esteem. You need to grow up and learn to live and let live.

[beansproutlord]

You can't prove that with 100% certainty that Poseidon, Xenu or *Batman * don't really exist. Once again, you can't prove that ANYTHING doesn't exist to a 100% certainty. What's your point? Do you have a point?

Truth: You're lacking in logical reasoning to put in your Youtube comments. You need to grow up and... Actually you just need to grow up. :D Criticising theism, which touts insane fictional drivel as if it's factual... is GREAT! Nothing to do with a lack of self-esteem.

[godverdegodverdomme]

1/2

"1. Mate, atheists don't believe in gods. Usually due to the lack of evidence that gods exist. Atheists do not, as a rule, claim "I am 100%, absolutely 100% certain that god doesn't exist!", as you can't prove a negative. I can't imagine where you met these "100% certain" atheists."

I happen to be one of these "100% certain"

Atheists, as I have proven many times

during my lifetime that 'god' by definition

cannot exist.

[godverdegodverdomme]

2/2

You may say that you cannot prove a negative,

but you can deliver proof by presenting the

uncountable (and blatantly obvious) paradoxes

that would have to be broken to allow 'god'

to exist.

Our current existence in itself is cold

hard undeniable proof against god's existence.

[fpm229]

Anyone who truly believes that they "have a responsibility to the human race to mock such beliefs" should take a good hard look at themselves. I have no beef with "moderate" atheists or theists. I have a problem with self-righteous bigots who feel the need to openly mock others beliefs. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs. Those who post anti-anything, are lacking in self-esteem, and need to grow up and try to learn how to cope with society as a whole. Live and let live.

[thejackinatoroid]

Try me.

Please specify at least one blatantly obvious paradox that has to be broken, and I will show you how God exists even there.

[thejackinatoroid]

Thi was intended as a reply to godverdegodverdomme comment below

"You may say that you cannot prove a negative,

but you can deliver proof by presenting the

uncountable (and blatantly obvious) paradoxes

that would have to be broken to allow 'god'

to exist."

[CadicusTheDamned]

Damnit, fakesagan, just when I was starting to like you, you pull that elitist prick bullshit about subscriber numbers. How many of your cherished subs are actually sock accounts like Kevin?

Personally, I routinely purge sock accounts from my subscriber list. Then again, some people don't cherish the thought of celebrity (bad for our real occupations) and are here for meaningful discourse.

[rosmer00]

i thnk the feeling u r talking about cris, is respect, respect for each other, i mean, we see ourselves like someone who has his eyes wide open, like we know something that other ppl dont know, a knolage, i dont mean that in an alturistic way, but in a sad way, that fisrt feeling wen u finally realise this is the only u can get, there is no after.

[righto2k]

Atheism is a community and a group of people in the same sense that people who belive tables exist are.

In a herd of a hundred sheep, two black ones dosn't automatically make a group.

[RndmG]

Say roozie booshjie again. lol

[loveisallneed]

I think Atheists need to further define themselves - humanist, etc. But, they can still unite under the Atheist Umbrella. Fragmenting just makes you a smaller minority. When an Atheist plays to the stereotype, it is sad, but I can't control that. Good Video

[rozeboosje]

I think we're in agreement here. Excellent response :-)

[thequestionmarkofGod]

The one thing That I would like to see atheists do is to support non belief in the world. Not to demand it, not to run around preaching it, not to live by a certain moral code or anything like that. But to be able to say to a person losing their faith: "its ok." "yeah it can be tough, but there are other unbelievers" or "sorry you are going through this" "I support you" etc. etc.

[thequestionmarkofGod]

When we kick a person in that faith losing or questioning period that is the one time our actions can hurt atheism in general because that person may be negatively effected enough to stop questioning and return to their superstitions. Being able to change the course of a persons life just by saying "its ok" or even by just holding our tongue for a while as they transition, is not a big imposition.

[KasparHauser4]

I agree. Since atheism says nothing about behaviour or morality, the individual atheist still has to make moral decisions on their own. Which is more difficult to do. While a christian as part of a religious body has moral and ethical rules already decided for them and handed to them as the way to translate the teachings of the church into modern day to day behaviour,the atheist has none of this and must make those decisions on their own.

[themaxxxi]

Roozeyboshey is way coller. he should change his name to that.

[sethsevaroth]

thts pretty fucking funny... /the church cant threaten us... cuz we dont give a flying fuck. /but we're a threat to the church because WE DONT give a fuck... AHAHA ... its twice as pwning...

[suschrost]

your mom really had nothing else better to do she when she took that dick and had you .what a fucking pussy you are holla. (lol)

[wathefuckisupwitthat]

i dont see us as a mouvment or community

but i hope its a matter of time for that big

rumor to disapear for good

bur i dont think we will see it on this century^^

[Megile]

agree 100%

[applestar132]

I'd rate this again if I thought it was ethical. :) 5/5... 10/5 if I could :)

[Loreleila]

I like Rooogyboogy better too. :)

[wikimon]

i think atheists should hold to a standard that at least on a whole we are (should be) more intelligent and reasonable than theists.

and that's really not a exacting disposition to aspire thus, wouldn't you agree?

[TheSockWithNoName]

I think the problem is that some people on YouTube don't realize they're suppose to just have a little fun here -- they seem to really think that bitching about religion on the internet has any political bearing on the real world, as if History books 200 years from now would be talking about brave YT atheists fighting fiercely against religion...

YT Atheism is serious business... LOL!

[TheSockWithNoName]

Look at that MisteryMaskedMan -- the guy is nuts. He's real close to calling fellow atheists "comrades" and saluting them with a fist in the air... LOL!

People need to take it easy.

At any rate, if one wants to change the world for better -- if only through YT --, he ought to talk about science and knowledge in general, and educate the public -- that's way more useful and enjoyable than atheistic proselytism.

[kurtilein3]

im regularly talking about science on my channel, but i also confront idiotic and potentially dangerous ideas. most times those ideas are rooted in ignorance, and knowledge is the only true way to confront ignorance.

some people want to stay ignorant, no matter what happens. those people are lost. they are not open to learn anything. and i get the impression that you are one of them. thats sad, so much potential going to waste.

[TheSockWithNoName]

"some people want to stay ignorant, no matter what happens. those people are lost. they are not open to learn anything. and i get the impression that you are one of them. thats sad, so much potential going to waste."

You're such a presumptuous person.

Just because I believe in God I'm "lost"? Wow. You're a bigot.

You don't know anything about me. I've been studying since since I was a little girl, believing in God has no bearing on that except perhaps that inspires me to learn more.

[TheSockWithNoName]

*studying science

[YourSuperiorSays]

so discourse that is lost on the mainstream is inconsequential?

why don't you go back to watching britney fumble, you weakminded motherfucker

[TheSockWithNoName]

YourSuperiorSays:

You're such a rude person. That treated is uncalled for.

[YourSuperiorSays]

Why thank you Sock, I appreciate that very much.

[kurtilein3]

thesockwithnoname: you just regained some of my respect, being interested in science and learning about it with motivation is great ^^

[kurtilein3]

fakesagan: a group is only possible if the people in that group share the same goals / have the same interests / have something in common.

you can therefore never be part of any community along those lines. you know that already, and this is why you criticize all attempts to organize. you cannot be part of it, because your goal is mindless drama, so you are against it by default. you dont realize your insignificance here.

[kurtilein3]

i really need to do a video about this topic. but i dont know when i will manage to do it.

keep in mind that you need similarities or shared interests or common goals to have a group. i see that the antitheists on youtube have the potential to be a group, but this does not apply to the youtube atheists. the antitheists have a common goal. there is a group of activists.

sub to me if you arent already, i somehow dont recall you commenting on my vids, and i lost track of my subs.

[TheSockWithNoName]

"the antitheists have a common goal. there is a group of activists."

Activism? What activism? "Cyberactivism"? Sounds comfy! LOL! You can just 'activate' all you want from the comfort of your computer... LOL!

But seriously, what's your goal as an "anti-theist"? Exterminate theists? Are you gonna evoke the Final Solution on theists?

I don't get why would one be anti something that's personal matter, such as believe in God. I'd figure that if one wants to believe, that's his business.

[kurtilein3]

religion is not a personal matter if you dont keep it for yourself. you are indoctrinating your children into ridiculous beliefs, and most times into irrational fears, this cannot be tolerated. the violence caused because of religion cannot be tolerated.

i am speaking, spreading ideas, sharing words and oppinions. you are doing the same. but your ideas cause suffering and death and violence on our planet, in the name of nonexisting entities, and this is intolerable.

[YourSuperiorSays]

that's right, burn that motherfucker down.

[TheSockWithNoName]

LOL!

1. I'm not doing the same. I keep my personal beliefs to myself, I'm not an obsessed proselyte like you, I'm not looking to convert anyone, only to respect people's life-stances.

2. My beliefs cause suffering and death??? LOL! I believe in Tolerance, Human-rights, Science, Progress, Secularism, Love, Peace, Respect, Freedom (specially freedom of speech),... does that cause death and suffering, you presumptuous bigot?

You have an irrational hatred for theists. That's pretty disturbing.

[KasparHauser4]

My only wish is... to transform friends of God into friends of man, believers into thinkers, devotees of prayer into devotees of work, candidates for the hereafter into students of the world, Christians who, by their own procession and admission, are "half animal, half angel" into persons, into whole persons. -- Ludwig Feuerbach (Lectures on the Essence of Religion)

[mconn2112]

I was with you on the first vid C7. Too many people see atheism as a definition of one's character or world views. Also, too many motherfuckers put a lot of YT atheists on the same playing field. Holy blundering fucktards Batman!

[lollygager3664]

That's certainly a part of it. Atheism is not an ideology. Christianity is an ideology. We should undermine ideology, not create it.

[Cristofer7]

fakesagan-ha!!! crucified...

[papackar]

In the end it's just a label. "Not believing in gods", or "believing in gods", can hardly be called attributes of a person. They are just things that people say. It's glorified blather.

[cavejourney]

papackar - I agree - I recently heard the term apathyist - most people where I live just don't care. They'll say they are catholic since their parents were - but they only go to mass at christmas and they debate the abortion issue amongst themselves without giving a poop what the pope thinks.I realize that this varries a great deal in different areas but here these labels don't tell me much.

[SpaceboyProductions]

Christians could argue that being 'close to' or believing in their god is the default 'state' for humanity too, and so they are acknowledging the 'facts'.

[jogayot]

sorta yeah, but atheism cannot reduce to nihilism, because then it becomes discrediting to the premise, and exploitable of course in the usual wont of christians attacking atheism on this basis... etc, etc, blah blah...

[Cristofer7]

jogayot-there are nihilistic atheist... see, that is my very point... atheism is not the one stop shop for group beliefs and ethics that religion is accustomed to...

[jogayot]

but by the same token there are moderate and fundametalist christians, who go to war and all that shit and even post factum are considered good christians, not fallen prophets. and if i were moderate christians i would like to dis-communitify from them. the same way as a moderate atheist i feel that some "atheist community leaders" are just scum... and bring nothing to the table in nullifying militant theists... merit.

[YourSuperiorSays]

cristofer, you drunk!

brews rule! (Dutch brew that is, none of that piss water you people call beer.)

[Scrapheap71]

Belgian Trappist Ale RULES!!!!

[YourSuperiorSays]

they sure fucking do! aw man, i fucking love belgian beers.

you ever had a nice, room temperature Palm? love that.

[creole60]

Behavior? If there were only two atheist who were leaders on the world stage and if they commited horrific acts against humanity...trust me, their behavior would be used against atheist around the world. Now a world leader who does the same acts and is a theist would be judged as a false theist. Thus the difference of influence through numbers vrs some indivisual free-thinkers.

[ExSaint1379]

He's saying that would be false to accuse them of doing this because they were atheists. He's correct.

[creole60]

Doesn't matter...that's the way the world would describe and see it. All of us are accountible; especially those who claim to be to smart to fall for what's popular. If you exalt yourself then fall...oh what a long way down.

[IShitOnYourGod]

I think most atheists will agree that there SHOULDN'T be such a thing as the atheist community. Hopefully in the future, there will be no need for it, and atheism will simply become nonexistent. However, as long as religion keeps enjoying the respect it does, the atheist community will exist, and atheism will remain an important uniting factor for us. My 2c.

[YourSuperiorSays]

haha your name rocks.

[neuronstorm]

I agree, but I suspect that many religious groups would have the same view about themselves - essentially that the world would be a better place if everyone would just convert to their one true religion. I'm not saying atheism is just another religion - but I know some people will insist on seeing it that way.

[TheCuriousSkeptic]

Ya, you have it right.

[EstebanCambiassoARG]

First