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  • My best of it kind in the praise industry.

  • this is such a powerful video. lets pray for the people who are persecuted everyday and thank God for allowing us to live in a free country. please pray that we will have the courage to stand when the time comes.

  • i couldnt hold back the tears :(

  • THANK YOU JESUS, YOU ARE INDEED THE BEST<3

  • This was one of Deacon Morris's (Deceased) favorite song, may his sould rest in peace. A man that truly loved and served the Lord

  • soon 2 billion poeple will die during ww3, so the time is now to heart your heart right with jesus,

  • Great Video and Song.

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  • This is the frist time I watched this video and I cried as did all the others. My choir in Florida used to sign this all the time (way back in 1995) and YES! I cried then as well.

  • I love this video it talks about revelations and about jesus and yes I believe we maybe have 999 year left , but I dont believe that humans will go to hell in the end.

  • iI will LOVE the LORD at all time HIS prisesshall continue be in my mouth

  • THIS VIDEO HAS BEEN A BLESSING TO MY LIFE I LOVE THIS SONG ALOT EVERYTIME I HEAR IT IT BRINGS TEARS TO MY EYES I ASK MYSELF ALOT OF TIME WHY THEY DID THAT TO HIM HE DON'T DESERVE THAT BUT DESPITE OF ALL THAT HE STILL FORGIVE ALL OF THEM IT'S TRULY A BLESSING THAT WE HAVE SUCH A WONDERFUL FATHER IN OUR LIFE GOD RICHLY BLESS YOU AND JUST REMEMBER THAT GOD SENT HIS ONLY SON TO DIE FR OUR SINS AND HE STILL LOVES US

  • WOW...what a powerful video! What a precious child!! God Bless You and Thank You for Sharing this Video!!

  • i pledge allegiance to the lamb of gad who bore my pain who wore my shame i will seek to honor his command

  • lol, I didn't know you get to wear casual clothes in jail.

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  • I love how Joan of Arc and Stephen were specifically depicted in this video. They were probably the 2 most inspirational martyrs of all time.

  • I PLEDGE MY ALLEGIANCE TO THE LAMB. never to deny my LORD and to serve HIM WELL.

  • this we live in the end days things will happen like that.may all sins be forgiven we stand for God and no matter how much sorrow and pain will happen we will rememeber the name THE LORD OUR GOD!!!

  • I first heard this song when I was a teen at Acquire the Fire...I must say that when I listened to it just now, it still brought tears to my eyes. I have been going through a lot of stress lately and this just reminded me that God is with me and all will be ok. Thank Lord for ALL you are and have done. I LOVE YOU JESUS!

  • Hahaha! Hilarious satire! And I would like to congratulate all the comment's underneath me deadpan style.

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  • powerful message given by this song.i will pledge ALLEGIANCE to my jesus

  • Powerful message embedded in this song! I Hope I'm never put in the position that the father was in.. but if I am.. I really hope I'll make the same choice he did.

  • This is too much for my tear glands, can't hold the fluid any more, am letting it flow............cry....cry...c­ry...cry...

  • loved this song since i was a little girl =) i just showed this to my daughter for the first time. she is just non stop asking questions now haha. guess i set myself up for that one but im glad this video is still around so i can show her. this song definitely helped get my point across to her =D

  • The very first time I saw the video, I was just a child and it hurt so bad I cried.... and now watching this video again it brought back the same heartbroken feeling and the tears... I LOVE U LORD, THANK U FOR SENDING UR SON TO DIE FOR ME ON THE CROSS, SO MY SINS CAN B FORGIVEN!!!!!!!<3

  • @kellyblue Trololo.

  • Lord I will follow all my days ...!

  • I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE LAMB,FROM RIGHT NOW ON!

  • Nothing like a good old VHS that only a minority of people ever owned. Love it.

  • @backing25 same here i think iwas that old to

  • first time i watched this video i cried i was 8 that time and its still brings tears to my eyes

  • Thank you so much for this video...it is put together beautifully! Glory to God!

  • Very powerful message in song, thanks for sharing it.

  • thank you for posting this video, i love this song. All i thought about while watching the video is the sacrifices they were forced to make, but at least they can be with god now. may god bless all who watch this.

  • When I first head this song I started to cry. It took a great man to save a nation of people. when you hear this song please thank Jesus for what he has done for you

  • Why the Joan of Arc bit? She was a christian killed by christians. Wearing a Teutonic Cross no less. She was french lass, not a german.

  • @Cardigen  She was still a Christian Martyr....she was killed defending the faith....defending God and Jesus.

  • @okpatriot No. She was killed for political reasons under false charges of heresy by the King of England and the Church. Granted, they recanted it and she became a saint. In the process the king was able to get rid of the new French hero of the 100 Years War. Granted it still went on twenty some years after she died for the French cause to rid the land of the English.

  • BRAINWASHING CHILDREN!!!!

  • Is this from a movie?

  • vote up if your ready to endure persecution for Jesus... even if it means to give up your lives... God plz give me the grace to do that ....

  • what ever is in Rays heart besides his LOVE for Jesus IS BETWEEN HIM AND GOD , and none of us, we all will have to answer for ourselves, and no one else. so please leave him alone, none of us are perfect.

  • @plynnc56 I completely agree. I mean, how would any of us like the world discussing our sin? That is between God and the individual. When we take it upon ourselves to talk about another we have gotten off into judging that person. That is God's job, and I don't want His job, do any of you? God love and bless each one of us.

  • i love this song it means sooo much too me :)

  • Thank you Lord..I Pledge Allegiance to the lamb

  • Yes,I pledge my allegiance to the of lamb of God

  • Hallelujah! There is none other to be pledged to other than to the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world! Let's us pledge to Him our whole being, especially in these last days, for we know not what tomorrow will bring, but we do know the one who holds tomorrow in His hands. Praise and glory and honor to the King of Kings and Lord of Lords, Jesus Christ of Nazareth, born of virgin birth, died and suffered without spot, and rose as our Savior and King! Hallelujah!

  • iloveeyou

  • it seems like 27 people are atheist or just can't connect to their inner lamb

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  • Tears flowed freely as I watched this video. This is by far the best video I have viewed, for this song. It is hard to believe that these crimes are even now being committed in the United States and worldwide. God loves us, and even if we are taken home (Heaven), we'd definitely be in a much better place than we are now. Our friends and family will mourn for our loss, but Jesus will welcome us with open wide arms, saying, "Welcome Home, Child!"

  • tears flow when touched by this song

  • My prayer is that Ray will never forget how much Jesus love him. Ray you are but a prayer away of restoration with God the Father. Come Home - His rms are waiting to hold you and restore you.  I am praying for you Ray.

  • Maybe if certain people in certain countries stopped obsessively swearing allegiance to a flag and therefore to rabid nationalism, and started swearing allegiance to GOD, their countries would be better off.

  • i love this song so baaaaaad .

  • God is so awesome he healed my two year old Godson Johnny before the doctors at the childrens hospital at MUSC could find anything wrong with him and today its like nothing even happened to him thank God I pledged my life to the Lamb of God

  • i agree this songs lyrics are so powerful i dont cry easy but this really made me tear up expecially when his dad is saying bye and saying take care of your mom

  • we need to pray for ray ..satan realize that he is doin a great work for God an he has capture him at his weakest point, WE NEED TO PRAY FOR ONE ANOTHER!!

  • THIS IS POWERFUL

  • I absolutely love this song!!...Im proud to say that I too Pledge Allegiance to the LAMB!!! thankyou Heavenly Father for all your love, care and protection!! Your blood that cleansed us of our wrong doings will never be forgotten!.....i too will gladly choose death for God is my life, he fills my heart with happiness each and everytime i am with Him!!.....MARANTHA, Praise The King of Kings, The Alpha and Omega!!

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  • whats that horrible sound in the background?

  • I thank you God for your grace and mercy......If it has to come to a day like this, i want to put my foot down for God. I want to always choose him!

  • before i even knew what Christianity was as a child..this song use to make me cry.. Absolutely love it as an adult.. still brings a little teary emotion

  • @amarie777321 when it says "for ever" it means the RESULTS of the fire are eternal , as in youll be burned up, Not that you will actually burn eternally . What kind of God would burn his children for ever , for maybe 60or70 years of sinful living? God is love he does things for a reason, sodom and gomorah were burnt with eternal fire,and thats gone out a long time ago

  • @TheTOGASS you forget that God has an other side of him which no one wants to see

  • @TheTOGASS the bible says were are al deserving of death and hell.John 3;16 that God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whosever believes in Him won't perish but have eternal life.God desires that noone would go to hell.people choose to reject Jesus and they send themselves to hell.what kinda of heaven would it be if you lived your whole life your way,then died and went to a place where you could'nt escape God's Presence?

  • How can He not be. He was sent into the world by God. He was born of a virgin birth therefore he has no blood of man i.e when one is born they take the blood through genes of the father or so.. Jesus being born of a virgin birth means he had no man like blood in him and was purely God's and he isn't half anything, He is fully the son of God. He proclaimed that himself.

  • I have taken the pledge of allegiance to the Lamb of God and there is no turning back. I see the day when in this country and around the world Christians will be persecuted for their faith and it may be against the law of the state to worship or call on the name of the Lord. In fact many Christians today in certain countries around the world are already be persecuted and killed for their faith. It is not a far stretch to believe it could happen here in America if we are not careful. In my Favs.

  • @bibledoctrine Thank you John for sharing this with us.

    thank you my friend and brother,

    Linda

  • This video caught me off gaurd in the first part of the video i thought it was a church but then when the gaurds came i realized it was a prison.

  • That video was really hard for me to watch, but so true. Thanks. Also, I liked the video I saw on CNN where the high school class validictorian led the entire group in prayer. What a victory that was. If people don't want to listen to that, then stop your ears -- don't stop freedon of speech!! This is what our nation was built on!!

  • If America does not turn around I feel tha twe will be seeing this day sooner than everyone thinks. Our White House turning its back on GOD's CHOSEN PEOPLE. BAD BAD BAD MISTAKE.

  • The time is closer than we think. We have to stand.

  • May i ask you a question?? I really want to now who you think jesus is? Why we should worship him.. In my eyes he was just a propheet, not the son of god because then he would be half god.. But there is only one god, and not 1.5 right?? ps comment..

  • @pochtana He is the son of God, not just a prophet, He said it himself and so did God the father. You're a person spirit , mind , and body. All the miracles He did and all the times He said follow me , that he is the way etc, in a number of books, and in the Hold Bible.

  • @MilanLouboutin But maye when he said it, it ment like were all childeren from god.. In that sent i can understand it.. besides son of god literelly means servant of god in hebrew, maybe thats what he ment..But if he is really is the son of god, he's half good right?? How can he be halfgod, when there is only one god??

  • @pochtana in the beginning was the Word and the Word ,was with God,and the Word was God..john 1;1read it to verse 11 it describes Christ ,he IS fully God, he had to be to be our saviour,yet he is also fully man,so that he could be "tested in all things'' heb 4;15

  • @pochtana As we have body, soul and mind that is one person, like the trinity. Also he being the son of God doens't make him any less God, you're undermining the power of God by asking that. Also he sent a part of him down aka his son in human form, that's why Christians can have a relationship with their maker. Also he was born of a virgin birth which means, he had no mans human blood line, as you get you get your blood line from your father. So that's why his blood on the cross was significant

  • @MilanLouboutin thank you for your reply, but i still have some questions.. Where did jesus really say the he was LITERALLY the son of god?? Son of god means servant of god in hebreeuw. And as for the bloodline.. well tell me what Adam is then, because he neither has a father or a mother.. Is he also god? I don't agree with what you say about the trinity, there is one god and one god alone. You worship one god, not mind, body and soul apart. There is one not three

  • i remember watching this when i was like 7 a lot of times times goes way to fast

  • @lisenyoudontknowme And your 12 now right?? I saw your comments on another video, what a language for a 12 year old boy... you don't really give christans a good name! Sad because i know so many good ones, for whom i have great respect.. Sad that your parents didn't teach you better words to say :((

  • @pochtana im sorry

  • WOW!

    Nice presentation,

    and i thank you.

  • WOW!

    Nice presentation,

    and i thank you.

  • I know what Ray Boltz is going through, I too struggled with homosexuality but I kept praying to God to remove it from me I was ashamed of it.Unfortunately it is a disorder you are not born that way but it does come upon you at a young age. Similar to how cancer can affect anyone of any age whether you believe it or not (God healed my mother of cancer)No one is born with cancer but a child can still develop it. I am now happily married to my husband...I refuse to argue with anyone on this topic.

  • @NubianRockerChick The ''gay-gene'' has been found, it is something you are born with. But conditios also plays a huge part. Im happy that you now have peace :)

  • @pochtana no way ,research this more, the so called 'gay gene' was found by a very skewed form of research that was sponsored by the gay lobby , to try to prove that such a thing exists . check it out .

  • Tears come to my eyes everytime i listen to this,touches my heart always.

  • i hope im not the only one that cant sing this song good because your crying to much threw out the song

  • yah you right phyllis prayer is the Key and know that if God's word is still in his mind then know that he will surely repent but he needs our prayers,What a touching song

  • yah you right phyllis prayer is the Key and know that if God's word is still in his mind then know that he will surely repent but he needs our prayers,Whata touching song

  • Amen

    

  • i love this song... it makes me cry everytime i hear it

  • I wish I had the movie this was in.

  • AMEN, NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE WITH GOD! AND YOU SAID IT BEST, NO ONE CAN SING THIS SONG LIKE RAY BOLTZ.

  • I know about Ray Boltz, But his songs doesn,t sound right from anyone else. Maybe if we start praying for him instead of casting stones, maybe he,ll come back to Jesus.People does it everyday.

  • @whistlestop64 Please don't tell me that Ray Boltz turned his back on God.

  • @1954phyllis That what I heard, but like I said if we pray for him instead of casting stones he may turn away from that lifestyle and come back to Jesus.

  • If he truly accepted Christ as his savior nothing can pluck him out of His hand, but there are always earthly consequences for sin, and a Christian can never be happy in sin forever, for the bible says the pleasures of sin are fleeting. I pray he comes under conviction, but I still love him and his music. Hate the sin - love the sinner.

  • @MissAdelissa You are right. There's no doubt in my mind that Ray, if he's truly a Christian, will repent of this sin & he will be forgiven by Our Lord. All of us stumble & fail at times. God is always there, full of Grace, Love, Mercy & Forgivness; no matter what the sin. Sin is sin to God; man equates some sin worse that others, but to God, it's all the same. We need to pray for him. Through Jesus Christ, ALL sin is forgiven, for as many times as necessary. MARANATHA

  • @JesusHoldMyHand1 Yes, when Jesus died on the cross for all sins of mankind, He even died for the ones we commit after we put our faith in Him. Thank God He said He is the one who will remain faithful to us, even when we blow it and stumble.

  • @JesusHoldMyHand1 What's wrong with it? People should still love him the same. Jesus would. He didn't didn't hang out with other believers, Jesus hung out with the people that needed him and he loved them. The Bible is rampant with homosexual activity, incest, intolerance and absurdities. I'm just saying give the guy a break. I've known Ray for years and we went to the same church for quite some and he's a great guy and he loves Jesus, whatever his orientation may be.

  • @nds101122 Evidently you didn't read God's judgments on that activity. Nor have you read Romans 1:24-32; Jude 7; Revelation 21:7-8 Homosexuality is detestable & an abomanation to God. It is perversion & will be punished, if the offenders don't repent & accept Christ. What they do with their lives is up to them. I did not write the Book, nor am I God. I only read & report what He has said. You & anyone else can believe it or not. I happen to believe God & I know He doesn't lie.

  • @nds101122 Jesus hung out with sinners, but did not just quietly tolerate their sin, no matter what it was, just as He does not tolerate our sin today but forgives, if we commit to change. Maybe we should stop blaming Ray for being gay and start blaming Satan and the evil spirits that he commends to harrass people who are trying to be Godly, sometimes with fear, sometimes with temptation towards various forms of sin. We must, with God's help, try our best to resist this, as must Ray.

  • @JesusHoldMyHand1 Amen. My heart breaks as I listen to this video, an awesome video sung by a man overcome by sin. I too was overcome by sin of alcohol. God delivered me. God can deliver this man. My prayers are that this man comes back to the cross

  • @hhay321 "Judge not lest ye be judged" we all have sin in which gossip is included, we need to look at out own lives and pray for out own forgiveness. The comments here are very discriminating to everything that Jesus stands for. Lets worry about ourselves, and our own actions instead of putting down this man(also God's creation) to make yourself feel better about your own sin.

  • Thumbs up if you have a high IQ thus do not believe in a theistic god.

  • @AdamDLDixon 70 point IQ is not high buddy

  • (CONTINUED) He will go to heaven because he believes in Jesus. He just needs to get back up and divorce his new EVIL lover. His perverted lover will go to hell, but he won't. He needs to read his bible and continue to go to consoling. I pray deeply for him.

  • (CONTINUED) He loves Jesus. He pledged allegiance to the lamb, god knows he tried, he felt the nails, and he tried so hard to watch the lamb. While Jesus hates what he is, I know he still loves him anyway. I don't know why some people are born gay. He really doesn't want to be gay. But he gave up trying to live a lie, and came out. He tries to love girls. But he just... can't. He is afraid he will go to hell, even though he loves Jesus. He is a Christian man struggling with his EVIL feelings.

  • @BooksRuleProductions No one is BORN gay. It is a choice a person makes & they KNOW it is wrong when they make it, but pride of self takes over - pleasure then despair. Being gay is a sin just like lying, stealing, adultry, pedophilia, idolatry, mystic arts, denying Christ, etc. Everyone in Sodom & Gomorrah knows the final end that Ray could be facing. Jude 7 "...They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire." He still has time to leave that lifestyle. REPENT

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    It is actually pathetic that Ray is gay. He had it all. But still, this is an amazing video that should be played at all churches nevertheless of the evil fact. At the end when the father says his final goodbye to his son it always makes me cry. This is the second best music video after "Jesus Freak." I am sure that Ray has brought many people to Jesus, and than many people away from him. That is the impact that music stars have on people. You are right, Ray does need torepent

  • @BooksRuleProductions Well, just look at it this way. It's very pathetic when a Christian steals, or "makes a baby out of wedlock". If people are turned away from Jesus because of Ray, then they were NOT Christians anyway. The Holy Spirit did NOT live in their hearts. We are NEVER to follow, believe in, or worship ANYONE on this Earth. Only Christ is worthy of Praise & Worship. If people follow Ray as though they're following Christ, then WOE to them. Ray is just a singer...living in sin.

  • @JesusHoldMyHand1 Amen!!!!

  • I believe that Ray Boltz truly is a Christian (even though he is gay) This song makes it evident. He truly loves Jesus and did ask for forgiveness of sins. The Bible says believe and you will be set free. He tried. Because I hate the gay lifestyle I could hate him. But I don't This song is so amazing and this video is classic. He was a CCM artist. He had it all, including loving children and a wife. He knows that God hates

    the homosexual lifestyle and he tries to please him. (CONTINUED)

  • To mjesusfreak.....what a marvelous presentation, thank you! And to Ray Boltz......what a beloved story you sing so beautifully about. I just heard the news today that Osama Bin Laden is dead, and I'm praising God for helping America with this, and praying He will help us in the future.  ~OneKewpie~

  • I pledge my allegiance to the lamb of God....

  • @BookOfActsRevival Hiding my emotions? I thought I expressed them pretty well. It is a fact that Christians burned people from 1692 to 1693 for being witches.

  • Christians have done their own fair share of burning people alive for believing differently.

  • @bigtaterman Yes, they have indeed. I hope they repented. Just like Christians living in sin right now. If they continue, without turning away from their sins, they will go through the Great Tribulation, which will last for 7 years. It will be the most murderous, bloodletting, demonic, satanic filled time in human history. So great will be God's Judgments & Wrath that over 1Billion people will die. I pray that Jesus comes soon for His Church, until then we are to continue preaching the Gospel

  • @bigtaterman Like...hitler? No, he wasn't a true christian, like the catholics in the 1700's? Again, they are considered christian but it was corrupt. No offense to cathlics anywhere, its just an example of what they WERE. What do you mean? Give me an example, more christians were killed for their faith then anyother. Even in the Holocost, more christians died then jews. look it up. What do you mean of this comment, if any christians DID do that they weren't TRUE christians.

  • @pianoluvr100 Don't pull that shit mate. Someone does something you don't like and you immediately say they weren't true Christians. What a load of rubbish.

    No True Scotsman fallacy. Maybe you should look it up.

  • @bigtaterman catholics, during the dark ages buddy NOT christians research first , pagan Rome then as papal Rome. read foxes book of matyrs

  • I bet that guy raped that kid after the scene was over.

  • @bigtaterman That is sooo uncalled for... that is not even funny.

  • @bigtaterman That was so uncol and uncalled for. Gays and child molesters are NOT that same thing othr then both being sins. But even the worse sinner can repent. You do know ST Paul was a murder or at the very lest aproved of the murder of early Jewish Christians. But God was meriful, P aul repented and Christians read Paul s leters to this day.

  • @LadyKatherine1960 Moral of the story: Do whatever you want, just say you love Jesus and it's all fine :D

    Why aren't all Christians murdering rapists then?

  • @PSNBloodraid There is consequence for sin.

  • @Calbenmike Like what.

  • @PSNBloodraid Punishment from God, unrepentant sin without the forgiveness of Jesus Christ sends one to Hell.

  • @Calbenmike And again, as I had already stated in my first post. Do whatever you feel like doing, but just ask for forgiveness before you die and you'll be in heaven.

    If that is indeed the case, why bother being good? Why not go out and drink, murder, rape, steal, lie, be gay, etc? It doesn't matter as long as you believe in Jesus, right?

  • @PSNBloodraid No, salvation and forgiveness of sin isn't a license to sin. When one sees their need for a savior, that being Jesus Christ, they don't have a desire to sin, but rather strive for righteousness. Jesus came and died so that we may live for eternity with him, rather than die in our sins and go to an eternal punishment.

  • @Calbenmike The point is that you believe that nothing will happen to you if you sin as long as you ask Jesus for forgiveness. In which case, why not just do whatever you want and ask for forgiveness before you die? It's really a simple question.

  • @PSNBloodraid That would be making a mockery of the salvation God has laid out. Many people would have that attitude, but what makes you think that you'd be given an opportunity to seek forgivenness before you die? No man knows when he/she will die. The Bible says today is the day of salvation. You don't know if today is your last day or not. The problem is that sinners have to forsake their sin, leave it. Many don't want to.

  • @Calbenmike So basically you're saying that it would be fine to sin if you knew when you were going to die so you could save yourself.

  • @Calbenmike (Continued): If this is indeed the case, then your religion makes a mockery of itself.

  • @PSNBloodraidChristianity is really quite simple.Mankind is inherantly evil, born into sin and as a result of that; seperated from God.God sent his son Jesus Christ to die a sinless death so that mankind may be reconciled back to God.Man has to put his faith in Christ for his salvation. Man doesn't save himself, but God through his son does. I as a Christian still sin, but I am forgiven for that sin and I confess sin daily. If you die without confessing your sin and faith in Jesus, you are lost.

  • @Calbenmike But you're dancing around my question. If you can get away with anything as long as you ask for forgiveness, it's perfectly fine to do whatever you want, is this correct?

  • @PSNBloodraid No, the Bible is clear on this. The apostle Paul stated in one of his letters: Should we go on sinning so that grace may abound? God forbid. God judges the heart of a man, if one sins in practice, they haven't been regenerated.

  • @Calbenmike You just completely contradicted yourself then, no?

    "God forgives all sinners!"

    "You can't sin in practice, god doesn't like that."

  • @PSNBloodraid There's no contradiction anywhere. God looks at ones heart and at ones motive. Before a person comes to faith in Jesus Christ, they sin not caring about what they're doing. After one places their faith in Christ for the forgiveness of their sins and then just goes on living in a life of sin and not holiness, that is the difference here. In other words: One can't live a life of hell and be a converted sinner.

  • @Calbenmike That is a lie and you know it. If that were the case, god would judge people on their actions and not strictly on whether or not they accept what was written in that silly little book.

  • @PSNBloodraid It's not a lie, it's biblical. God will people by their actions as well. The central focus of the Bible is Jesus Christ. It's the forgiveness of sin and redemption that is the meaning of life....it's up to man to believe.

  • @Calbenmike Jesus is the central focus of the bible? I respectfully disagree.

    Also, I'm sorry to break it to you, but there is no ultimate meaning of life. The closest you can get would reproduction.

  • @PSNBloodraid Jesus (Yeshua) as the centre: Gen 3:15 "the seed of the woman" = prediction of virgin birth. Gen 5 genealogy translated: Man is appointed to mortal sorrow, but the Blessed God (Yeshua) will come down, teaching that His death will bring the despairing, comfort." Ex 12: The Passover compare to what John the Baptist says: The Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world. It goes on...

    To those who beleive, it's easy to see Yeshua all through the Old Testament.

  • @mthompsoNZ Christians take vague scripture and interpret how they see fit. Someone will be born that opposes Satan? Must be Jesus! No, it doesn't work that way.

  • @PSNBloodraid Sorry that this is such a shallow environment to discuss such deep issues, but let's take one item: 'the seed of the woman' is a contradiction, the woman has eggs, the man has 'seed' (hope this isn't embarassing you :-) ). There is no other person in history who could be the fulfillment of this prophecy, just as the Anti-Christ will be a 'one off' fulfillment of 'the seed of the serpent'. If you want to discuss this deeper, we could try exchanging emails I guess?

  • @mthompsoNZ I see, and potentially stand corrected. It's still vague scripture that can be interpreted any number of ways. But either way, it's still using the bible to support it's own statements.

  • @PSNBloodraid OK, so a bit off what we were originally talking about, try Isaiah 45 God: "Cyrus, you're going to rebuild my city and set my exiles free." Israelites: "Who's this Cyrus? God's city doesn't need rebuilding, and we're not exiles." God: "Cyrus hasn't been born yet, and watch this space." Many years later Cyrus was born, then became the leader of the Medes/Persians, defeated Babylon, set the Israelites free, and told them to rebuild Jerusalem (destroyed by Babylonians)

  • @PSNBloodraid Or try Daniel 9:24-27 - "Daniel, sometime in the future will be an order to rebuild the city of Jerusalem (not the temple), then count off 483 years, and then the Anointed One will appear, and will be 'cut off' (=killed)."

    Or even Daniel chapters 11 & 12. If you know anything of Alexander the Great and his successors, you should be shocked.

  • @PSNBloodraid ...and since you believe that 'reproduction' is the ultimate meaning, what is the meaning of that?

    You probably believe in the Big Bang, Evolution, billions of years, etc. In that case, we are a random act of nature, come from nowhere, going to nowhere, with no purpose.

    Check out the 'Young earth' evidence for a different view, if you dare to risk your assumptions. You'll find that there's *scientific* evidence to say that the universe was not created in a big bang.

  • @mthompsoNZ What is the meaning of reproduction? To pass our genetics on and further our genealogy. But beyond that, there is no further purpose.

    Yes, I believe that our existence is purely by coincidence, as there is no reason to think otherwise. However, I know for a fact that I came from my mother.

    Finally; I know all about "Young Earth Creationism" and the 'evidence' it presents. It's unfortunate that reality and real evidence says otherwise.

  • @PSNBloodraid So how do you expalin the blue shift in a whole galaxy like Andromeda? That doesn't fit the Big Bang theory. How do you explain the items that defy the conservation of angular momentum law? How do you explain polystrate fossils? I don't beleive you can, but that you will do like any 'good' scientist, and ignore any facts that spoil your pre-conceptions. But please, open your eyes and ears, see what the Most High has put into His creation so that it screams His name

  • @mthompsoNZ Firstly keep in mind that I am not a physicist, astrologist or biologist. I simply lack faith in the gods. Additionally, keep in mind that "I don't know" is a completely acceptable answer for something that is unknown to science. With that said...

    "How do you explain the blue shift in a whole galaxy like Andromeda"

    All that means is that the Andromeda galaxy is moving towards ours. I'm not sure how the contradicts the big bang theory in any way?

  • @PSNBloodraid Big bang theory states that "In the beginning, BANG!" and everything flies apart, so everything should show red shift. Supporters (of the BB theory) claim that gravity (of local large bodies) explains the fact that Andromeda is coming towards us, but it doesn't actually account for this.

    If you want to increase your faith in my God, have a look at some of the prophecies = history written in advance. How? Because He is outside of time and space, because He created it.