God no longer "hates" Jesus. And God always loves Jesus. Luke 6:37, "Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful. Do not judge and you will not be judged; do not condemn and you will not be condemned." "The Father has given all judgment to the son," (5:22) says Jesus in the Gospel of John and then says "I judge no one. But if I judge my judgment is true." (8:15-16) Jesus is God's Judgment of Grace. "
Just food for thought from a friend of mine. All his words in a convo. But had to post.
On the cross God "hated" Jesus...didn't he? Jesus bore the wrath of God on our behalf. AND the Wrath of God comes to an end in Jesus. Jesus is the End. With Him the wrath of God is "finished," "completed." And Jesus rose from the dead.
This guy assumes that if God "hates" someone, He no longer loves them and that he must no longer BE LOVE. Scripture doesn't say God "hates" Esau, but that he "hated" Esau. Esau is the first-born and we are Jacob/ Israel-the second born who... stole the first-born's birthright. Jesus is the first-born and we stole his birthright. We are blessed because we are dressed in His righteousness as Jacob was clothed in Esau's garments.
There is another issue here: God doesn't have emotions, except in the human nature of Jesus. In His eternity, God is static, changeless, immutable. An emotion is a shift from one state to another brought about in a subject's reaction to something external. For God to undergo something like this would violate his unchangingness, which is impossible. Besides this, love is not an emotion; love is the deliberate willing of the known good of another as other.
And of course, Robert Morey would tell you that Jesus did not die for his enemies. He only died for the elect who had never been his enemies since time immemorial because they, unlike the non-elect, are not God's enemies even when they are still unsaved. They are God's beloved even in their unsaved condition. Wow, Morey is awesome!!!!
We both know that by "enemies" the question means "perishing people destined to reprobation".
Not enemy in the broader sense of "sinner".
And God is outside of time, the argument "God loved the elects before their salvation" is irrelevant. They were already "elects" before that event in God's sight.
There must have been a time when Robert Morey was an enemy of God, i.e. when he was still unsaved. Right! Did God love or hate him then? Or perhaps God has always loved him, even when he was unsaved and thus an enemy of God, because he has always been one of God's predestined elect. Morey is awesome????
Very interesting - "does Jesus love everybody" or "does He love everyone the same"...He died for man to have a way to be saved (John 3:16, Romans 5:8 & others). Using examples of those who didn't feel loved by Him is interesting, but changes the view. Believers taken to the woodshed do not exactly feel loved at that time either (Hebrews 12:11). The love is obviously different.
James 4:4 (enemies of God), Col 1:21(were enemies, now saved)-much more 2 say, but the topic is one for thought!
@MessiahSaves I always like to keep in mind Mat 12:30. It shows us that those who are our enemies are so because they are the dividers, and not us. It certainly keeps things in perspective.
God no longer "hates" Jesus. And God always loves Jesus. Luke 6:37, "Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful. Do not judge and you will not be judged; do not condemn and you will not be condemned." "The Father has given all judgment to the son," (5:22) says Jesus in the Gospel of John and then says "I judge no one. But if I judge my judgment is true." (8:15-16) Jesus is God's Judgment of Grace. "
Just food for thought from a friend of mine. All his words in a convo. But had to post.
jkumpost 4 months ago
On the cross God "hated" Jesus...didn't he? Jesus bore the wrath of God on our behalf. AND the Wrath of God comes to an end in Jesus. Jesus is the End. With Him the wrath of God is "finished," "completed." And Jesus rose from the dead.
jkumpost 4 months ago
This guy assumes that if God "hates" someone, He no longer loves them and that he must no longer BE LOVE. Scripture doesn't say God "hates" Esau, but that he "hated" Esau. Esau is the first-born and we are Jacob/ Israel-the second born who... stole the first-born's birthright. Jesus is the first-born and we stole his birthright. We are blessed because we are dressed in His righteousness as Jacob was clothed in Esau's garments.
jkumpost 4 months ago
There is another issue here: God doesn't have emotions, except in the human nature of Jesus. In His eternity, God is static, changeless, immutable. An emotion is a shift from one state to another brought about in a subject's reaction to something external. For God to undergo something like this would violate his unchangingness, which is impossible. Besides this, love is not an emotion; love is the deliberate willing of the known good of another as other.
dsydebot 7 months ago
psalm 5:5 john 3:36
cardknowledge1 7 months ago
And of course, Robert Morey would tell you that Jesus did not die for his enemies. He only died for the elect who had never been his enemies since time immemorial because they, unlike the non-elect, are not God's enemies even when they are still unsaved. They are God's beloved even in their unsaved condition. Wow, Morey is awesome!!!!
lessingtom 7 months ago
@lessingtom
We both know that by "enemies" the question means "perishing people destined to reprobation".
Not enemy in the broader sense of "sinner".
And God is outside of time, the argument "God loved the elects before their salvation" is irrelevant. They were already "elects" before that event in God's sight.
pacouli 7 months ago
There must have been a time when Robert Morey was an enemy of God, i.e. when he was still unsaved. Right! Did God love or hate him then? Or perhaps God has always loved him, even when he was unsaved and thus an enemy of God, because he has always been one of God's predestined elect. Morey is awesome????
lessingtom 7 months ago
why entertain fairy tales?
tubegod1 10 months ago
Dr. Robert Morey is awesome!!!!
JohnO318 11 months ago
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Very interesting - "does Jesus love everybody" or "does He love everyone the same"...He died for man to have a way to be saved (John 3:16, Romans 5:8 & others). Using examples of those who didn't feel loved by Him is interesting, but changes the view. Believers taken to the woodshed do not exactly feel loved at that time either (Hebrews 12:11). The love is obviously different.
James 4:4 (enemies of God), Col 1:21(were enemies, now saved)-much more 2 say, but the topic is one for thought!
MessiahSaves 1 year ago
@MessiahSaves I always like to keep in mind Mat 12:30. It shows us that those who are our enemies are so because they are the dividers, and not us. It certainly keeps things in perspective.
suddiza 1 year ago
This man is brilliant. Every time I hear him I learn.
Thanks for uploading
14dicken 1 year ago