She knows who I am. I PRAY SHE DOES. Whether she wants to bash me or not haha.
She knew what I did. Does she know whats up? Does she know what they did to me in usa? Does she know I cant trust anyone in society (mainly usa)? I will be waiting.
LUNCH? I BUY!!! Im all for you INFORMING me about history. If you say you have no clue what Im talking about. Talk to me about the TEMPLARS and what you know about "CHRIST" since you been down there.
I took the name Dark Prince cus of my sexy tan skin. And other stuff too (mainly I hate alot of people, I dont care... these people deserve to be HATED. hate is my favorite word right now)
Like Edward the Black of Great Britain or England back in the day. Why did he take the name Edward the Black?
I wanted Barbra to look up JESUS FONSECA who was in usa as a soldier. Died Jan. 17th 2005 in Ar Ramadi Iraq (unit was 1-503 which is in ITALY now!!! 153!!! 1-503 was in usa and got reflagged to 9th hahahaha).
Same day I got blown up. If you google it you can find this. The key word here, was "JESUS".
I survived, JESUS didnt. Hard to believe this is reality?
theres already evidence that jesus exisisted from the roman historians tacitus, josephus and others who confirm he was the christus the leader of the christians who is said to be immortal and they mention he was hanged by pontius pilate during the reign of tiberius so i say to all skeptics on youtube look up these roman historians on the internet u wankers always say theres no evidence well there it is and there are 3 other historians who mention jesus so he defintley exisited
@shredmaster100 Yes JESUS existed lol. They already had it in "alien" writings kinda like a recording or journal. Ignore them. Or that was part of the beliefs. I cant read "alien" writing so I dont know what to say. Not going to say anything just yet.
The veracity or otherwise of the 'shroud of Turin' has no bearing on the Life of Jesus Christ. The proof of His existence, thankfully , does not depend on a mere piece of cloth. I find this story interesting, but it does not affect in anyway , my absolute belief and faith in Jesus Christ. Whether this is found to be genuine or a fake will have no effect on the belief of the millions of Christians around the world. Neither will the scorn and mockery of non-believers.
masons do the most messed up things. To where they try and blow you up in Iraq due to connections (kill off people by certain names the day you get blown up and survive) to where they put your life story in media "SECRETLY" but only YOU can understand it. masons go that far with this kind of stuff? You might even see part of it in EU too in music/media!!!
These people in usa are a cult alright. Not what you think.
@DarkPrinceNH5570 Brothers, and Sisters - please search on youtube for ------------- Pope John Paul II - alive proof from God - ( Angelica Testimony )
check out the channel veronicaveil7 a film scientist has discovered the alive face of Jesus Christ in the St Peters Veronica Veil, its the second Shroud , the discovery was made this year
Shroud of Turin is a fake created by famous master Giotto, claims Italian art expert, and your jesus does NOT existed, the true god is zeus,......christians...rollseyes.
@soterioss8787 anyone can sketch a date on anything your gonna let that fool you after there was proof that it had been tampered with it wasn't lost they just said it was did you know it was handed over to a free mason to look at ? i bet you didnt did you ,so therefor its a fake the church=holy gives to free mason = not holy add it up so therefor the turin is just a sheet made up by the catholic christian community to try and prove there was a jesus but in reality if you ever hit that no jesus
[4:157] And for claiming that they killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of GOD. In fact, they never killed him, they never crucified him - they were made to think that they did. All factions who are disputing in this matter are full of doubt concerning this issue. They possess no knowledge; they only conjecture. For certain, they never killed him.
It looks like a kludge of Greek, Latin and Aramaic, and maybe something else! What's with the HSOY at the bottom and Nararenus spelt with run-on double N's? And what is "INNSCE?" In Greek, the "S" and the "C" are one in the same. I yi yi!
Same goes for the Muslims, whose religious theories are all based on Judaism. The so called "Abrahamic Religions" just mean they are sects of Judaism. Which in turn is most likely an offshoot of an even older Religion.
What all "Christians" Fail to realize is that all Christian based faiths are derived from the Roman Catholic faith, of course there will be thousands of screams and denials, but if you follow your churches history back find out where it came from. It's a schismatic split from the Catholic Church.
@spokman True enough that the customs and some of the traditions of the early protestant denominations are derived from Roman Catholic practice. But the Roman Catholic Church did not follow the whole teachings of Jesus Christ but rather "make there own version" to convert pagans to the faith without having to die for it. So yeah.. <_< derived from Jesus and peter your face... The chain of true believers was broken in 300 AD by the council of trent..
@gambleyourhealth Yeah, and you can genetically enhance him to. Could also make him a woman. Do that spider protien thing and make him indestructable so no spears will pierce him or her this time.
@MagusBR Anyone who believes in Jesus CHRIST is a CHRISTian. Methodists are christians, so are anglicans, mormons, etc. Being Catholic however means you follow the teachings of the Catholic church, that were passed down from the early church founded by Jesus with Peter as it's head, to the present one with the Pope as it's head.
nope there were Christians that existed before the Universal church. but your right, Protestants are a bunch of wannabe fucks. and I'm not even Christian.
The first Christians were the Church Fathers (the Disciples).. therefore, the first Catholics. Those were the only Christians. The rest came with the Reformation many centuries later, which formed thousands of little sects. Those are the Protestants. Men-made churches.
Catholicism=Universal...damn they don't teach that to you guys in sunday school?
You need to read up on your history. History doesn't go back 400 years like you want to believe, especially since Jesus died 1000 years ago. BEFORE the Roman Church, there were thousands of little sects, before that, Christianity was just a Jewish Sect. The question of the Messiah comes up, and that's when the sect splits away from Judaism. Catholics represent the Roman Church.
@Rao665 Sunday school? you don't know much about it, do ya? hahaha.
I don't need to read up on my history. Christianity is about CHRIST (it's in the name)... how can you say it was a "Jewish sect" is Jews do not believe in Jesus? that's contradictory, isn't?)
You're not even Christian, and yet you want to explain what you are not. That's funny. Are you also an American and want to explain a Brazilian what Brazil is all about?
@ChrisDaron "You're not even Christian" that's funny because I started out as one. What's also funny is the Roman Church wasn't even viewed as such until Emperor Constantine. That's nearly 300 years after the death of Jesus. Again, how do you explain the christians in India? If Catholicism were the original Christians?
@Rao665 Yah, that's very typical. Constantine did not found anything. There are documents that are much older than Constantine that mentioned the Catholic Church, so try again =)
you know how many councils they had to refute the older Christian beliefs? Did you know there were Christians in India long before the Portuguese arrived? Christianity is not just the Roman Church buddy.
@Rao665 When did I ever say the contrary, "buddy"? hahahaha.
Christianity ORIGINALLY was the Catholic Church. Nowadays, Christianity has "denominations"..... which is... weird. Jesus founded ONE Church, not hundreds or thousands.... "buddy"
@ChrisDaron and as for the Jews, Jesus = a Jew. His disciples choose to think of him as the Messiah after his death. Therefore Christianity began as a Jewish sect. The Jews did not think of him as a Messiah, so there's a split. just like Protestant/Catholic. But since Christianity is based upon the belief of Jesus as the Messiah, then that would mean Christianity is a sect of Judaism. Since the concept of the Messiah was Jewish to begin with, that makes Christianity a sect of Judaism.
a : a dissenting or schismatic religious body; especially : one regarded as extreme or heretical
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To the Jews, the view that Jesus of Nazareth is the Messiah is dissenting. Why do you think there was a split? That makes Christianity a sect of Judaism.
@ChrisDaron "So if I tell you to slit your throat, will you do it? hehehehe. (of course I won't ask you to do that, so don't worry)" Where the hell did that come from? Did I imply I'm a sheep anywhere in my comments? If anybody is a sheep it must be you with the religion and all. The dictionary is the true bible when it comes to word meanings. What the dictionary says a word means is final. My thoughts on the meaning doesn't matter.
@ChrisDaron so if you want to know the difference between Religion and Sect, read the dictionary. But sect is just a portion of religion. It's like asking me the difference between Ice Cream Cake and Ice Cream. you like that analogy don't you...
@Rao665 You claim to have been a Christian.... but there's a difference between calling yourself one and being one. You probably just thought you were one. Based on what you've said, you know very little about Christianity, therefore you left it.
"What a loss...." don't worry, i'll still be around. The Church hasn't lost me, i'm more interested in its history and seeds than anything else. And what are those "documents" you speak of? that mention the Catholic church by name?
@ChrisDaron "or do you want me to do that for you? " of course I do, because only you can find your made up documents, i wouldn't know where they are. And yeah, your right, i was never really a true Christian, since I never believed it all anyways. but the history is interesting, and you might want to read up on it. It might open your eyes a bit. Name the 7 Popes of Avignon if you believe your a true Catholic. and who was in charge of the Romans during the Battle of Milvian Bridge?
Rome is the whore of babylon. Of course she wants to unseat Jesus as the King of Kings. You have boiled people alive, burned them alive, crucified them, tortured them on behalf of satan for centuries. Jesus is coming back soon dear pontiff. You who say you are Jesus on earth and that you have the power of God almighty. Your cup is full.
The best theory of how life came into existence& the one relied upon by skeptics to disclaim the existence of a Creator God, whom Jesus claims to be, is that life is random & meaningless, and there is no known first cause. If life is random and meaningless, then death is, too, and the signs of death we see would also be random & meaningless. If it is, then maybe little Caylee's body would have sprouted little angel wings or her toes would have become gumdrops. Why isn't death random&meaningless?
It's not a burial shroud. It's a photograph, there is no top of 'his' head. Look at 2:15, there is a front and back but no TOP of the head, if it was wrapped over the top of the head then there would be about 8-10" between the front and back images.
PEOPLE THE TRUTH IS NOT IN YOUR HOLLY BOOKS ( They are all corrupted by reptilians ) IF SOMEONE WANTS TO BE YOUR GOD, OR ALLAH AND WANTS TO BE WORSHIPPED, BY YOU AND YOUR CHILDREN - WITHOUT BEEN SEEN - THIS IS"" SLAVERY "". People''please weak up'' at once please search on youtube for. - Teachings from the Pleiadians: Bringers of the Down - if you want to know who you really are, and the truth about GOD....
@VideoAudioDisco09 Definition of "brow of the hill" = "a steep part of a hill." That is entirely subjective. We have a steep part of a hill in our backyard.
@VideoAudioDisco09 The most accurate translation of the Bible (as well as others) don't even refer to it as a "cliff," but "the brow of the hill." "And they rose up and thrust him out of the city; and they brought him to the brow of the hill, whereon their city was built, that they might cast him down headlong." It doesn't even state the height.
They got up, drove him out of the town, and took him to the brow of the hill on which the town was built, in order to throw him off the >>CLIFF<<. The objective to kill, not roll him down a gental slope.
Well it has been interesting although as usual time consuming and exsaustive, I am more convinced now that Nazareth did not exsist first century my reasons to follow
Nazareth is not mentioned even once in the entire Old Testament. The Talmud, although it names 63 Galilean towns, knows nothing of Nazareth, nor does early rabbinic literature. Paul knows nothing of 'Nazareth'. Rabbi Solly's epistles (real and fake) mention Jesus 221 times, Nazareth not at all. No ancient historian or geographer mentions Nazareth. It is first noted at the beginning of the 4th century.
no other source confirms Nazareth existed in the 1st century AD.
@VideoAudioDisco09 Wow= Old thoughts proven wrong. Please research new Nazareth acheology. It was there way before Jesus, & during Jesus with about 400 or more people. At the time of Jesus it had a stone quarry, watchtower, irrigated farmland, a grape press & winery, etc. This is where Jesus learned to work with stone with Joseph (carpenter was equal or more stone work than wood). Why would all lie about a town of Nazareth to start! Josephus, etc failed to mention many other towns etc. also.
Fine, can you give me a reference or two from a credible source, I am always open to evidence.
There is no mention of such a town in the Hebrew Bible, or in the writings of the Jewish historian Josephus who - as a former Galilean rebel leader against the Romans - had personally fortified the towns of Galilee. Almost certainly "Nazarene" referred instead to a Jewish sect that was later identified with the Ebionites
@VideoAudioDisco09 Thanks, no worries. Jospehus was a great historian but didn't mention all. Why would they lie about a place not real or they say nothing good comes from. Google Nazareth wiki to start & read all references. You're thinking correct of Nazarite the sect = different.
Why would they lie? I think that is obvious, possible they believed it was true but a dillberate lie is far more likley and common.
I have done some research, there is no evidence Nazareth was occupied during the first century. Long before 0 and after 70ce, the "farm" is Roman works.
Sources of contradiction are opinion by desperate christian "archeologists" - no peer review or agreement. Sorry. Christians were aware of this since 1930 of this and expressed great concern.
Thanks for the references, I see where you are being mislead now. The first is one I came across in my research. These are no more than unsubstantiated opinions and have no supporting evidence. There is a deliberate attempt to claim "early-roman" period which is incorrect no question.
Prehaps you could take a moment to read these as a start and insite.
URL w.. nazarethmyth (dot) info (slash) scandalhome
Do not reject truth because you do not like it, question why they lie.
@VideoAudioDisco09 Research the Pool of Shiloam that skeptics said never existed too. Thats where The Gospels say Jesus healed the blind man. They just discovered it recently, along with the tunnel that "never existed", ETC
See Sir William Ramsay, the EX-atheist archeologist who tried to prove The Book of Acts/Luke wrong. After yrs. of digs he proved Luke correct to the smallest detail & called Luke 1 of the greatest historians. Don't ignore Josephus of Jesus, James & other 50 non-Bible records
Sir William 1852-1916 Over a century old, with no access to modern equipment or knowledge. He did say
"Though this vast archeological evidence does not prove God wrote the Bible, it surely must compel the honest skeptic to at least acknowledge its historical veracity." with this I am in some agreement geography and places even historical events have proved to be correct but then much has also under scrutiy fallen away.
Quote excavation took place between Nov. 11 and Dec. 7, 2009
Archaeologist rails against Yardenna Alexandre’s
"This leads the gullible to pay no heed to the requirements of evidence. Instead, they buy into the spurious idea that the traces of farms, Roman bath houses, garrison works, vineyards, caravanseries, synagogues, etc., have been discovered from a turn of the era Nazareth. These edifices do not exist in the factual record, but they widely populate apologists’ fiction."
@VideoAudioDisco09 Regardless Jesus was real as all scholars agree...the only question was divinity. You can be gullible & find anything of other skeptics BS if want...that's not correct open minded reseach. Same with me...but I see both sides before deciding. You won't change as I've argued with hundreds of other pessimistic closed-minded types. Goodbye
All Scholars Agree? You do not look far! Many do not and the number grows with investigation.
Some now think he was a literary creation.
FAKES, FRAUDS, AND FICTIONS
Because the religious mind relies on belief and faith, the religious person can inherit a dependence on any information that supports a belief and that includes fraudulent stories, rumors, unreliable data, and fictions, without the need to check sources, or to investigate the reliability of the information.
I will change when evidence points to a logical conclusion supported by known facts not wishing and faith.
You will argue as do we all in the ether, however to convince a sceptic you need proof. Pointing to and quoting often already exposed lies and debunked "proofs" will not convince any but the gulible who want to be convinced without questioning. I checked your references sound good till you dig alittle deeper and find they are false.
“Herodian oil lamps,” given the fact that these lamps in Galilee postdated the time of Herod the Great by several decades, those at Nazareth may postdated the entire Herodian dynasty. “Herodian” has been applied to the kokh tomb, Labeling such tombs “Herodian” is misleading, It misdirects the unwary reader to the time of Christ. Invariably, however, we find that these tombs and oil lamps are termed “Herodian” ONLY by Bagatti, James Strange, and other Christian archaeologists.
1: Check the Etymology of the name, Etymology, Biblical references, Extrabiblical references, Origin of name
2: Karin Laub the Journalist is lets just say less than ethical and truthful.
3: Several self proclaimed archeologists have turned up stuff (that mysteriously appeared) or plainly drew incorrect conclusions. Real archeology No Nazareth.
As one quote said, "The want to believe in spite of the facts no because of them"
The expression 'Jesus of Nazareth' is actually a bad translation of the original Greek 'Jesous o Nazoraios'. More accurately, we should speak of 'Jesus the Nazarene' where Nazarene has a meaning quite unrelated to a place name. But just what is that meaning and how did it get applied to a small village? The highly ambiguous Hebrew root of the name is NZR.
Iit may have been the Hebrew noun 'netser' ('netzor'), meaning 'branch' or 'flower.' Look it up it is all very enlightening.
@VideoAudioDisco09 For some reason many skeptics have taken to the notion, one laid to rest long ago, that Nazareth never existed as an inhabited city in the time of Jesus. They use an argument from silence and point to a website which claims that the author has excavated the site of ancient Nazareth and found it to be a mere single family farm. There is ample evidence to the contrary of this negative argument.
"one laid to rest long ago" who are you trying to kid or do you believe this?
No doubt various christian web sites have claimed this like finding the Ark for the 10th time but laid to rest in religious debate equates with -we will just ignor it and pretend everything is OK.
1 house maybe.. 5 fine but the bible has a community ready to throw jesus off a cliff (which is not there either), there is a lie here somewhere and I will go with the facts, sorry bluffing won't work.
@VideoAudioDisco09 New Archaeological Dig shed's Light on Jesus' Boyhood - AP, Dec. 97 by Karin Laub (UK) "By comparison, Nazareth was tiny, with two or three clans living in 35 homes spread over 2.5 hectares," Pfann said. "The homes later were razed by invaders: What remains are several basement caves, cisterns and silos excavated in the late 1950s." The caves were the basements, workshops and storage areas, rather than the dwelling places. Ignore these facts to suit your views as necessary.
@VideoAudioDisco09 The closest "cliff" from which Jesus might have been thrown is roughly 2.5 miles away from the synagogue, but there is no reason why Jesus could not have been taken this far. The claim that there is no historical evidence for the existence of the town of Nazareth in the first century stands refuted by the archaeological data, and many of the more informed atheist critics, even among those who deny the historicity of Jesus, have advised caution with this argument.
PEOPLE THE TRUTH IS NOT IN QURAN, OR TORAH OR THE BIBLE. ( They are reptilian books ) IF SOMEONE WANTS TO BE YOUR GOD, OR ALLAH AND WANTS TO BE WORSHIPPED, BY YOU AND YOUR CHILDREN - WITHOUT BEEN SEEN - THIS IS"" SLAVERY "". People''please weak up'' at once please search on youtube for. - Alaje777 - if you are ready for the truthful truth........ or search for - Bringers of the Dawn: Teachings from the Pleiadians - if you want to know who you really are.
If you believe in the christian faith you are always going to ignore anything that suggests something like the Turin shroud is faked. Unfortunately the church have a very long history of faking relics to bring in pilgrims and their penny's. There were many different shrouds circulating different churches at one time or another. Just because people cannot decide how it was faked, does not automatically make it the shroud of Jesus.
ummmm. I quote "The results of radiocarbon measurements at Arizona, Oxford and Zurich yield a calibrated calendar age range with at least 95% confidence for the linen of the Shroud of Turin of AD 1260 - 1390 (rounded down/up to nearest 10 yr). These results therefore provide conclusive evidence that the linen of the Shroud of Turin is mediaeval"
@SmallFries01 i always heard it could've been wrong because there was a fire and they took the sample from an unwise place. if it was done again (which it probably wont be) it may say something different....? idk
@Xiansiempre In 2000, fragments of a burial shroud from the 1st century were discovered in a tomb near Jerusalem, believed to have belonged to a Jewish high priest or member of the aristocracy. The shroud was composed of a simple two-way weave, unlike the complex weave of the Turin Shroud. Based on this discovery, the researchers stated that the Turin Shroud did not originate from Jesus-era Jerusalem.
@SmallFries01 There is more evidence for the shroud than against at the moment.
The biggest issue is the region and era-proper presence of pollens.
The correct 3d mapping, perfect negative, lack of pigments, and much more.
Not saying it's true, I'd prefer for it to be proven a fake ( I hate the idea of Christianity being real, it is a brutal and hateful religion like Islam - even though they both have their good points, the cores are very dark and ugly ).
@looncraz I disagree with your statements of proof. You need to provide me your sources before I will accept any of this. Regardless. Even if it was proven that a guy named Jesus lived during this period and was the inspiration for christianity. You still would need to find evidence of his divinity and if you have basic knowledge how the bible was forged together by the papacy, you wouldn't beleive any of this nonesence.
@SmallFries01 Never said proof, said "evidence for."
The rest of your argument suggests that I am Christian or something, which I am not.
I know the origins of Christianity well enough to know better ;-)
From a purely scientific view-point the shroud does appear to be from well before carbon date range ( the results do have some significant issues, sadly ), possibly even as far back as the 1st century.
Not convinced about this whole writing discovery though... I just don't see it.
@loon Most hang-ups people have w. Christianity have to do w false doctrines that crept in when pagan Rome converted en masse after failing to stomp it out. The truth is ALL people will be saved eventually, "each in his own order," this does not mean that many will not suffer purifying fire of their consciousness before they accept Yeshua's forgiveness & death is abolished..it has nothing to do w never ending punishment, those are pagan concepts that twisted Jewish idioms into bad translations.
@AllOtherNamesUsed the first sentence is good. then you go off talking about purifying fire and ppl being saved etc. Present evidence for your assertment or you have no case or any truth in what you said. I think anyone who holds a beleif in a god needs to really examine why they beleive what they do. If you do not have credible evidence for your claims then you have no reason to beleive them.
@SmallFries01 The evidence like the Shroud doesn't count to you apparently yet you don't even know the scientific papers. I'm tired of ignorant people arguing. I believed it was a fraud too, then I learned the other side not hyped. The C14 dating is textbook example of people hearing disinfo soundbytes and just eating it up. The scientific facts speak a different story. Again, you can't even bother to research it, then you need to ask yourself what drives you to speak against it so vehemently?
@AllOtherNamesUsed DR. Rogers made these new assertions from his home lab. His conclusions in alot of ppls opinions are open ended and unlikely. For Example. he only had "two thread" left over from the original carbon dating expirement from which to work with. He claims that this peice taken for dating was re-stiched after the fire in 1532. If this was the case then the dating should have return a 1500 date and not a 1260 - 1330. He then use heat decay of vanillin
@SmallFries01 vanillin to give his new older date. But he even says himself in his own paper that he cannot know for sure what tempurature it was kept at. He then uses what he thinks is a likely tempurature it would have been kept at. to match the radiocarbon date and what result his this should show. which of course doesn't match the 0 vanillin content of the shroud. He then completly ignores fire dmg by saying there would still be vanillin left and in different degree, but fails to show how
@AllOtherNamesUsed Yes, many hang-ups most have are merely from the business aspect of Christianity.
Mine are not. I've actually read most of the bible ( several times ).
It is a worthless book that, in the end, barely even makes sense.
I can twist the book to mean anything I want... from God is great, loving, and all-forgiving ( in which case there is no need of Jesus... ) to God is the most evil thing ever, is vengeful, jealous, and blood thirsty.
@looncraz First you said "though they both have their good points, the cores are very dark and ugly"
now it's worthless in your opinion. fine
But the way the scriptures work is that they set their own terms and patterns through precedence. This is how people in the bible also interpreted scriptures. The bible sets its own terms strictly like a Law (Torah) so you can misled someone who knows it; checks and balances. For others it's just over their head and so pass it off as vomit trash.
@AllOtherNamesUsed so you CAN'T misled someone who knows it* at least very easily. Pharisees and scribes would add unlawful traditions & turned the temple into a business and lorded over people, of course this is the religious establishment Christ went head on against and was crucified for. Big surprise the religious establishment today teaches pagan traditions of hell, while scholars & theologians know better. Much error comes from mistranslating sheol, gehenna, hades & tartaroo all as "hell."
I've seen many instances of the clergy wising up to the lies and leaving the faith altogether. Of course, this is less common in Islam because the death penalty comes along with it (though the Quran doesn't say it, humans made that rule!).
Your own argument invalidates the books! "Pharisees and scribes would add unlawful traditions" Yes, the books are written by humans, and are flawed.
By good points, I mean good messages. Both books have their share of good messages, but for the most part they are dark and ugly because they are based on ancient paganism.
That does make them worthless :-)
I've read the scriptures, and they don't work that way, period. There are underlying stories that make sense, but only if you ignore all of the conflicts. God sure is a shitty author!
Oh wait, but he didn't write either..so who did? ha!
@AllOtherNamesUsed FINALLY!! At least you seem to know what the bible actually says better than most ;-)
I've pushed HUNDREDS of self-professed religious idiots who don't know what the bible says ( nor do they understand the meaning of hell-fire [destruction] ).
That said, I still think it's all rubbish until there is serious evidence to offer support, but at this time at boils down to faith, and in that I shall never trust.
The bible is just conflicting stories and ideas, not god-written...
@looncraz If you had done any sort of studying of Christianity, ie: read the history from non-biased sources and also of the Saints and Early Church Fathers, ie: Irenaeus, Augustine, John of the Cross, Theresa of Avila, et al, instead of going along with popular media and other biased sources, you would see how Christianity is practically the opposite of Islam.
It is full of love not hate as is Islam. Read from Christian sources what Christianity is all about.
@joan8862 ***EARLY*** Christianity was about love in the beginning, and Islam was about Mohammed's sex life and power-grab.
Christianity was a hippie movement, but it was hijacked by the establishment and thus what once was no longer is.
I speak as things as they are today as that is what is relevant.
The Quran is not full of hate, though, but the hadiths certainly warp the religion for the worse. Same with what happened to Christianity - love to veiled evil. But Muslims lost their way more.
@looncraz I did not say the Quran was full of hate, but I believe Islam is.
Christianity, especially the Catholic Church in particular, has not really changed from 2000 years ago. Major teachings on the faith and morals are the same as then. Only those things that could be changed were, ie: married v. celibate priests, how long to fast before receiving communion, etc. Our Lord Jesus gave the Church the authority to bind and loose.
Read the bible carefully and read the Early Church Fathers.
@joan8862 I know you didn't say that, I was expounding in an effort to be thorough and honest - that often gets lost in YouTube comments though ;-(
Christianity has changed GREATLY over time. Learn history outside the church about the church, you'll see. The words don't change, just which verses are used and how they are interpreted.
God stated that his laws and word would not change and that none could change them, but the CHURCH can change them at their own discretion? How nice for them!!
@looncraz I know history in and out of the Church. Jesus gave his apostles the authority to bind and loose within the Church, see Matthew 18:18. These Apostles also then handed down to others what Jesus taught them, No Bible yet, just Hebrew scriptures. You probably don't see the Catholic Church as divine and human, but only human. But don't you think God would leave us some visible authority on earth so we know what is true re: God? That is the Catholic Church-when people reject it,
@joan8862 You know the Catholic-version of the church's history from the sound of it.
You don't know the truth behind the church, it's history of power grabs, of violent control over the population, it's insistence that it can change God's laws [ though God stated in the bible that his laws cannot be changed, not even by him! ]. They changed the day of the sabbath from Saturday to Sunday - something that is a clear violation against God, yes?
The Church fits the description of the anti-Christ.
@looncraz No- you won't read from the source, instead you listen to what non-Catholics say about the Church instead of reading from the earliest believers and what the Church actually teaches. We've heard your claims before- most of it is complete untruths or very exaggerated.
I for some reason thought you would bring intelligent arguments, but you are presenting the same old tired, over used false logic and arguments that have been used since the 16th cent. I've researched these claims before
@looncraz (Part 2) Use the internet-instead of just looking at sources to back your misguided and refuted impressions of the Church-do a search of sites that refute your claims.
Re: changing the sabbath from Sat. to Sun-see my earlier post about the Old and New Covenants and Matthew Chap.18:18. Find out how the Early Christians interpreted this.
I will not bother responding to any more of your posts-I can only pray that God will give you Light.
@joan8862 Sorry, they changed the rules of the sabbath, and the day of worship. Always get those mixed up ( largely 'cuz I don't give a fuck ;-) ).
The renaissance was a revolt against the church's ACTUAL ways. What is sold as history by the church is not what happened, or is but always with a twist to excuse the church for its actions. Historians know the Vatican's behind-the-scenes manipulations, the church doesn't even respond. Assassinations, mass-killings, you name it, they've done it.
@looncraz ran out of space- when people reject the Church then you have Protestant Christianity which moves this way and that with whatever is current in the world. But the Catholic Church has stayed true to Her teachings.
Re: the laws of God never changing- the New Covenant of Jesus' death on the cross fulfilled the Old Covenant, therefore the old laws were no longer necessary, such as dietary laws, sacrifice of animals, etc.
Oh... to Barbra as if you care. Ignore the drama you hear in usa that is near me directed towards me.
These people arent christians, they are retards. Part of the mason society crap.
Or you can come here and bump into me and we can leave. I will come to you!
DarkPrinceNH5570 1 week ago
Just get a medical team at the airport to take this out. And we can go from there?
DarkPrinceNH5570 1 week ago
To Barbra... you didnt find me. I FOUND YOU... first.
Most people look for this "stuff" their entire life?
DarkPrinceNH5570 1 week ago
She knows who I am. I PRAY SHE DOES. Whether she wants to bash me or not haha.
She knew what I did. Does she know whats up? Does she know what they did to me in usa? Does she know I cant trust anyone in society (mainly usa)? I will be waiting.
LUNCH? I BUY!!! Im all for you INFORMING me about history. If you say you have no clue what Im talking about. Talk to me about the TEMPLARS and what you know about "CHRIST" since you been down there.
DarkPrinceNH5570 1 week ago
0:22 he cooked a noodle across the street...........
uberownerss 1 week ago
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uberownerss 1 week ago
A 2012 years old Fonny ... that is all.
sattanhellsing 1 week ago
I took the name Dark Prince cus of my sexy tan skin. And other stuff too (mainly I hate alot of people, I dont care... these people deserve to be HATED. hate is my favorite word right now)
Like Edward the Black of Great Britain or England back in the day. Why did he take the name Edward the Black?
DarkPrinceNH5570 2 weeks ago
117 (Jan 17th), 153 (1-503), 9th infantry regt (Manchus aka MANCHURIA!!! hint)
Guess who I am?
DarkPrinceNH5570 2 weeks ago
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Before I quit.
I wanted Barbra to look up JESUS FONSECA who was in usa as a soldier. Died Jan. 17th 2005 in Ar Ramadi Iraq (unit was 1-503 which is in ITALY now!!! 153!!! 1-503 was in usa and got reflagged to 9th hahahaha).
Same day I got blown up. If you google it you can find this. The key word here, was "JESUS".
I survived, JESUS didnt. Hard to believe this is reality?
Guess where I was born at?
DarkPrinceNH5570 2 weeks ago
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DarkPrinceNH5570 2 weeks ago
To Barbra from ME.
This is so stupid and its only usa media movies.
Watch TRON LEGACY!!! I love Agusta F4 bikes btw, crotch rockets? ya its Italian.
You might see something!!! I didnt believe it either till I traced my HISTORY on something.
So the VATICAN knew about this? They should of had recordings in the archives about this.
We havent met yet. Keep this in "recordings" too! (dont have cell phone)
Love ya... Nick
DarkPrinceNH5570 2 weeks ago
If BARBRA actually reads this... I FOUND YOU first!
You werent looking for this (me GRAIL).
DarkPrinceNH5570 2 weeks ago
Barbra was in the Vatican ARCHIVES. She knows about the Templars. So she already did my WORK on what I was going to do?
Ya we need to talk in person. She already knows who I am? HAHAHA sorry. Now you know whats up. And no Im not part of this in usa.
DarkPrinceNH5570 2 weeks ago
theres already evidence that jesus exisisted from the roman historians tacitus, josephus and others who confirm he was the christus the leader of the christians who is said to be immortal and they mention he was hanged by pontius pilate during the reign of tiberius so i say to all skeptics on youtube look up these roman historians on the internet u wankers always say theres no evidence well there it is and there are 3 other historians who mention jesus so he defintley exisited
shredmaster100 2 weeks ago
@shredmaster100 Yes JESUS existed lol. They already had it in "alien" writings kinda like a recording or journal. Ignore them. Or that was part of the beliefs. I cant read "alien" writing so I dont know what to say. Not going to say anything just yet.
DarkPrinceNH5570 2 weeks ago
emy love jesus my hart god bless Everbodyxxx
jeffemy1000 3 weeks ago
The veracity or otherwise of the 'shroud of Turin' has no bearing on the Life of Jesus Christ. The proof of His existence, thankfully , does not depend on a mere piece of cloth. I find this story interesting, but it does not affect in anyway , my absolute belief and faith in Jesus Christ. Whether this is found to be genuine or a fake will have no effect on the belief of the millions of Christians around the world. Neither will the scorn and mockery of non-believers.
Hanisipie 1 month ago
masons do the most messed up things. To where they try and blow you up in Iraq due to connections (kill off people by certain names the day you get blown up and survive) to where they put your life story in media "SECRETLY" but only YOU can understand it. masons go that far with this kind of stuff? You might even see part of it in EU too in music/media!!!
These people in usa are a cult alright. Not what you think.
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TOMISLAV6608 1 month ago
I cant believe she found this. I would actually have to look up in history (there) about how this all played out and formed up over time.
I dont believe this is happening either.
I dont have time for rigged marriages/weddings for stories. The inheritance will come with me no matter what.
ASAP!!!
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check out the channel veronicaveil7 a film scientist has discovered the alive face of Jesus Christ in the St Peters Veronica Veil, its the second Shroud , the discovery was made this year
vinnypop 1 month ago
so whats the date ?
hypershadow1223 1 month ago
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TOMISLAV6608 1 month ago
GOOD JOB, Im waiting. I didnt know about this till later on when I actually looked into it.
I "PRAY" the word gets out from this!
I still hear them talking. I have to respect my family for doing this to me? They screwed me over. Look how its turning out.
Just come pick me up. Or someone!!!
DarkPrinceNH5570 1 month ago
LOL WHAT A LOAD OF BOLLOCKS! why can't people believe in something productive instead of revering a cloth?
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TOMISLAV6608 1 month ago
The God of the Bible ( Buy Bull) is an Devil.
DesIlluminatti 2 months ago
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TOMISLAV6608 1 month ago
Shroud of Turin is a fake created by famous master Giotto, claims Italian art expert, and your jesus does NOT existed, the true god is zeus,......christians...rollseyes.
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TOMISLAV6608 1 month ago
@soterioss8787 anyone can sketch a date on anything your gonna let that fool you after there was proof that it had been tampered with it wasn't lost they just said it was did you know it was handed over to a free mason to look at ? i bet you didnt did you ,so therefor its a fake the church=holy gives to free mason = not holy add it up so therefor the turin is just a sheet made up by the catholic christian community to try and prove there was a jesus but in reality if you ever hit that no jesus
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[4:157] And for claiming that they killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of GOD. In fact, they never killed him, they never crucified him - they were made to think that they did. All factions who are disputing in this matter are full of doubt concerning this issue. They possess no knowledge; they only conjecture. For certain, they never killed him.
Lhaw06 2 months ago
It looks like a kludge of Greek, Latin and Aramaic, and maybe something else! What's with the HSOY at the bottom and Nararenus spelt with run-on double N's? And what is "INNSCE?" In Greek, the "S" and the "C" are one in the same. I yi yi!
EdM021 3 months ago
Same goes for the Muslims, whose religious theories are all based on Judaism. The so called "Abrahamic Religions" just mean they are sects of Judaism. Which in turn is most likely an offshoot of an even older Religion.
Rao665 3 months ago
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Rao665 3 months ago
I'm so glad there's a shroud of turin center close to where I live.
Naturalhit 4 months ago
Praise Lord Jesus, the Almighty God
aalexmary 4 months ago
What all "Christians" Fail to realize is that all Christian based faiths are derived from the Roman Catholic faith, of course there will be thousands of screams and denials, but if you follow your churches history back find out where it came from. It's a schismatic split from the Catholic Church.
spokman 4 months ago
@spokman True enough that the customs and some of the traditions of the early protestant denominations are derived from Roman Catholic practice. But the Roman Catholic Church did not follow the whole teachings of Jesus Christ but rather "make there own version" to convert pagans to the faith without having to die for it. So yeah.. <_< derived from Jesus and peter your face... The chain of true believers was broken in 300 AD by the council of trent..
hininga28 4 months ago
@spokman Or the Eastern Orthodox Catholic faith
greglee20 4 months ago
If the shroud is real, then it has Jesus's DNA on it.
We could clone our own Jesus.
gambleyourhealth 5 months ago
@gambleyourhealth Yeah, and you can genetically enhance him to. Could also make him a woman. Do that spider protien thing and make him indestructable so no spears will pierce him or her this time.
tejolson92 5 months ago
Oh christians... You never learn...
bushiyo2 5 months ago
@bushiyo2 - teach us what you know .
madamemuslim 5 months ago
@bushiyo2 catholics are'nt christians
MagusBR 5 months ago
@MagusBR Anyone who believes in Jesus CHRIST is a CHRISTian. Methodists are christians, so are anglicans, mormons, etc. Being Catholic however means you follow the teachings of the Catholic church, that were passed down from the early church founded by Jesus with Peter as it's head, to the present one with the Pope as it's head.
Curtissaviation 4 months ago
@Curtissaviation yeah thats what I mean. Catholics believe in pope
MagusBR 4 months ago
@MagusBR Protestants are little "popes" themselves.
ChrisDaron 4 months ago
@MagusBR Catholics are the ORIGINAL Christians.
ChrisDaron 4 months ago
@ChrisDaron
nope there were Christians that existed before the Universal church. but your right, Protestants are a bunch of wannabe fucks. and I'm not even Christian.
Rao665 3 months ago
@Rao665 What's that "Universal Church"?
The first Christians were the Church Fathers (the Disciples).. therefore, the first Catholics. Those were the only Christians. The rest came with the Reformation many centuries later, which formed thousands of little sects. Those are the Protestants. Men-made churches.
ChrisDaron 3 months ago
@ChrisDaron
Catholicism=Universal...damn they don't teach that to you guys in sunday school?
You need to read up on your history. History doesn't go back 400 years like you want to believe, especially since Jesus died 1000 years ago. BEFORE the Roman Church, there were thousands of little sects, before that, Christianity was just a Jewish Sect. The question of the Messiah comes up, and that's when the sect splits away from Judaism. Catholics represent the Roman Church.
Rao665 3 months ago
@Rao665 Sunday school? you don't know much about it, do ya? hahaha.
I don't need to read up on my history. Christianity is about CHRIST (it's in the name)... how can you say it was a "Jewish sect" is Jews do not believe in Jesus? that's contradictory, isn't?)
You're not even Christian, and yet you want to explain what you are not. That's funny. Are you also an American and want to explain a Brazilian what Brazil is all about?
How cute =)
ChrisDaron 3 months ago
@ChrisDaron "You're not even Christian" that's funny because I started out as one. What's also funny is the Roman Church wasn't even viewed as such until Emperor Constantine. That's nearly 300 years after the death of Jesus. Again, how do you explain the christians in India? If Catholicism were the original Christians?
Rao665 3 months ago
@Rao665 Yah, that's very typical. Constantine did not found anything. There are documents that are much older than Constantine that mentioned the Catholic Church, so try again =)
ChrisDaron 3 months ago
@ChrisDaron
you know how many councils they had to refute the older Christian beliefs? Did you know there were Christians in India long before the Portuguese arrived? Christianity is not just the Roman Church buddy.
Rao665 3 months ago
@Rao665 When did I ever say the contrary, "buddy"? hahahaha.
Christianity ORIGINALLY was the Catholic Church. Nowadays, Christianity has "denominations"..... which is... weird. Jesus founded ONE Church, not hundreds or thousands.... "buddy"
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Rao665 3 months ago
@ChrisDaron and as for the Jews, Jesus = a Jew. His disciples choose to think of him as the Messiah after his death. Therefore Christianity began as a Jewish sect. The Jews did not think of him as a Messiah, so there's a split. just like Protestant/Catholic. But since Christianity is based upon the belief of Jesus as the Messiah, then that would mean Christianity is a sect of Judaism. Since the concept of the Messiah was Jewish to begin with, that makes Christianity a sect of Judaism.
Rao665 3 months ago
@Rao665 Christianity CAME from Judaism. But it isn't a sect (looks like you need to look that word up, "buddy')
ChrisDaron 3 months ago
@ChrisDaron
sect
a : a dissenting or schismatic religious body; especially : one regarded as extreme or heretical
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To the Jews, the view that Jesus of Nazareth is the Messiah is dissenting. Why do you think there was a split? That makes Christianity a sect of Judaism.
Rao665 3 months ago
@Rao665 Wow, you even went to look it up and type it here! =P
A split? So Judaism is a sect from (your answer here)?
Yah?
ChrisDaron 3 months ago
@ChrisDaron
You said to look it up, I know what It means. It seems you didn't, I'm just helping you out.
Rao665 3 months ago
@Rao665 So if I tell you to slit your throat, will you do it? hehehehe. (of course I won't ask you to do that, so don't worry)
So, according to you (not the dictionary) what's the difference between "religion" and "sect'?
ChrisDaron 3 months ago
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@ChrisDaron "So if I tell you to slit your throat, will you do it? hehehehe. (of course I won't ask you to do that, so don't worry)" Where the hell did that come from? Did I imply I'm a sheep anywhere in my comments? If anybody is a sheep it must be you with the religion and all. The dictionary is the true bible when it comes to word meanings. What the dictionary says a word means is final. My thoughts on the meaning doesn't matter.
Rao665 3 months ago
@ChrisDaron so if you want to know the difference between Religion and Sect, read the dictionary. But sect is just a portion of religion. It's like asking me the difference between Ice Cream Cake and Ice Cream. you like that analogy don't you...
Rao665 3 months ago
@Rao665 Again.... I asked for YOUR definition, not THE definition. You have issues with reading, "buddy"....
ChrisDaron 3 months ago
@ChrisDaron My definition then would be the same as the my bible's definition: The English Language Dictionary.
and as for Jesus founding his own church. it wasn't him who did it, it was his buddies.
Rao665 3 months ago
@Rao665 Right, so "I will Build MY CHURCH" was not Him? (even though he told that to Peter) huh... funny.
ChrisDaron 3 months ago
@ChrisDaron Matthew is just a copy of another book which is also a copy of another book. Who knows what he said.
Rao665 3 months ago
@Rao665 You claim to have been a Christian.... but there's a difference between calling yourself one and being one. You probably just thought you were one. Based on what you've said, you know very little about Christianity, therefore you left it.
What a loss....
ChrisDaron 3 months ago
@ChrisDaron
"What a loss...." don't worry, i'll still be around. The Church hasn't lost me, i'm more interested in its history and seeds than anything else. And what are those "documents" you speak of? that mention the Catholic church by name?
Rao665 3 months ago
@Rao665 Look them up (or do you want me to do that for you? I mean... of course. I can also wash your clothes if you ask me)
ChrisDaron 3 months ago
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Rao665 3 months ago
@Rao665 Do it yourself, Mr. Lazy, Know it all person.
ChrisDaron 3 months ago
@ChrisDaron you offered, now you recant that?
Rao665 3 months ago
@Rao665 Eh?
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@ChrisDaron "or do you want me to do that for you? " of course I do, because only you can find your made up documents, i wouldn't know where they are. And yeah, your right, i was never really a true Christian, since I never believed it all anyways. but the history is interesting, and you might want to read up on it. It might open your eyes a bit. Name the 7 Popes of Avignon if you believe your a true Catholic. and who was in charge of the Romans during the Battle of Milvian Bridge?
Rao665 3 months ago
@ChrisDaron Catholics worship the Devil. WTF u saying?
MagusBR 3 months ago
@MagusBR "WTF".... typed by a "Christian" ignorant fool.
And WE worship the devil, right?? Hahahahaha.
What a moron. Are you high, Magus the dumb Protestant?
ChrisDaron 3 months ago
@ChrisDaron Did I said i'm a christian? dont think so
and yes cathlics worship the devil.
the vatican is the great whore ok?
MagusBR 3 months ago
@MagusBR And you're not retarded because you're not a little poser kid who listens to Linkin Crap, right?
OK..??
ok?
ChrisDaron 3 months ago
@ChrisDaron Yes i'm the retarded that has been chosen by God to tell the truth while you
Protecting the great whore. So who's retarded here? I think lose your soul is retarded
MagusBR 3 months ago
@MagusBR Right. Do you mean the pathetic "rock" when you say "great whore"?
And how did you choose God again?
By rapping "One Step Closer"?? Hahaha.
Pathetic, little kid.. and retarded =P
ChrisDaron 3 months ago
@MagusBR Don't be so sure. Post Vatican II anti Popes i don't care much for but traditional Catholic Church is Holy.
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@MagusBR You're evil.
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I AM JESUS, I AM THE 666 IN REVELATION...
THE MARKS / NUMBERS FORMING UPON MY FACE WILL SOON BE TOTALLY UNDENIABLE
ulived1969 5 months ago
Rome is the whore of babylon. Of course she wants to unseat Jesus as the King of Kings. You have boiled people alive, burned them alive, crucified them, tortured them on behalf of satan for centuries. Jesus is coming back soon dear pontiff. You who say you are Jesus on earth and that you have the power of God almighty. Your cup is full.
artsychic2000 5 months ago
@artsychic2000 now they will create a clone of pope john II and say it is Jesus
MagusBR 5 months ago
The best theory of how life came into existence& the one relied upon by skeptics to disclaim the existence of a Creator God, whom Jesus claims to be, is that life is random & meaningless, and there is no known first cause. If life is random and meaningless, then death is, too, and the signs of death we see would also be random & meaningless. If it is, then maybe little Caylee's body would have sprouted little angel wings or her toes would have become gumdrops. Why isn't death random&meaningless?
finishstrongdoc 6 months ago
white jesus= great myth.....expiration said concept necessary and imminent...
hoodprophet 6 months ago
It's not a burial shroud. It's a photograph, there is no top of 'his' head. Look at 2:15, there is a front and back but no TOP of the head, if it was wrapped over the top of the head then there would be about 8-10" between the front and back images.
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TOMISLAV6608 6 months ago
@VideoAudioDisco09 Definition of "brow of the hill" = "a steep part of a hill." That is entirely subjective. We have a steep part of a hill in our backyard.
LilacLily9 6 months ago
@VideoAudioDisco09 The most accurate translation of the Bible (as well as others) don't even refer to it as a "cliff," but "the brow of the hill." "And they rose up and thrust him out of the city; and they brought him to the brow of the hill, whereon their city was built, that they might cast him down headlong." It doesn't even state the height.
LilacLily9 6 months ago
@LilacLily9
The most accurate ??? there are not accurate. Just kidding they are all fabricated naratives.
Luke 4:29
They got up, drove him out of the town, and took him to the brow of the hill on which the town was built, in order to throw him off the >>CLIFF<<. The objective to kill, not roll him down a gental slope.
Well it has been interesting although as usual time consuming and exsaustive, I am more convinced now that Nazareth did not exsist first century my reasons to follow
VideoAudioDisco09 6 months ago
@VideoAudioDisco09
Nazareth is not mentioned even once in the entire Old Testament. The Talmud, although it names 63 Galilean towns, knows nothing of Nazareth, nor does early rabbinic literature. Paul knows nothing of 'Nazareth'. Rabbi Solly's epistles (real and fake) mention Jesus 221 times, Nazareth not at all. No ancient historian or geographer mentions Nazareth. It is first noted at the beginning of the 4th century.
no other source confirms Nazareth existed in the 1st century AD.
VideoAudioDisco09 6 months ago
@VideoAudioDisco09 Wow= Old thoughts proven wrong. Please research new Nazareth acheology. It was there way before Jesus, & during Jesus with about 400 or more people. At the time of Jesus it had a stone quarry, watchtower, irrigated farmland, a grape press & winery, etc. This is where Jesus learned to work with stone with Joseph (carpenter was equal or more stone work than wood). Why would all lie about a town of Nazareth to start! Josephus, etc failed to mention many other towns etc. also.
GoodyBob 6 months ago
@GoodyBob
Fine, can you give me a reference or two from a credible source, I am always open to evidence.
There is no mention of such a town in the Hebrew Bible, or in the writings of the Jewish historian Josephus who - as a former Galilean rebel leader against the Romans - had personally fortified the towns of Galilee. Almost certainly "Nazarene" referred instead to a Jewish sect that was later identified with the Ebionites
VideoAudioDisco09 6 months ago
@VideoAudioDisco09 Thanks, no worries. Jospehus was a great historian but didn't mention all. Why would they lie about a place not real or they say nothing good comes from. Google Nazareth wiki to start & read all references. You're thinking correct of Nazarite the sect = different.
For archeaology...to start Google:
tfbaorg/nazareth-farm
dqhall59com/roman_era_nazareth
jewishvirtuallibraryorg/jsource/Archaeology/nazaretharch1
zenitorg/rssenglish-27900
nazarethvillage.sitearcheology, ETC.
GoodyBob 6 months ago
@GoodyBob
Why would they lie? I think that is obvious, possible they believed it was true but a dillberate lie is far more likley and common.
I have done some research, there is no evidence Nazareth was occupied during the first century. Long before 0 and after 70ce, the "farm" is Roman works.
Sources of contradiction are opinion by desperate christian "archeologists" - no peer review or agreement. Sorry. Christians were aware of this since 1930 of this and expressed great concern.
VideoAudioDisco09 6 months ago
@GoodyBob
Thanks for the references, I see where you are being mislead now. The first is one I came across in my research. These are no more than unsubstantiated opinions and have no supporting evidence. There is a deliberate attempt to claim "early-roman" period which is incorrect no question.
Prehaps you could take a moment to read these as a start and insite.
URL w.. nazarethmyth (dot) info (slash) scandalhome
Do not reject truth because you do not like it, question why they lie.
VideoAudioDisco09 6 months ago
@VideoAudioDisco09 Research the Pool of Shiloam that skeptics said never existed too. Thats where The Gospels say Jesus healed the blind man. They just discovered it recently, along with the tunnel that "never existed", ETC
See Sir William Ramsay, the EX-atheist archeologist who tried to prove The Book of Acts/Luke wrong. After yrs. of digs he proved Luke correct to the smallest detail & called Luke 1 of the greatest historians. Don't ignore Josephus of Jesus, James & other 50 non-Bible records
GoodyBob 6 months ago
@GoodyBob
Sir William 1852-1916 Over a century old, with no access to modern equipment or knowledge. He did say
"Though this vast archeological evidence does not prove God wrote the Bible, it surely must compel the honest skeptic to at least acknowledge its historical veracity." with this I am in some agreement geography and places even historical events have proved to be correct but then much has also under scrutiy fallen away.
You are looking for agreement only not knowledge.
VideoAudioDisco09 6 months ago
@GoodyBob
Quote excavation took place between Nov. 11 and Dec. 7, 2009
Archaeologist rails against Yardenna Alexandre’s
"This leads the gullible to pay no heed to the requirements of evidence. Instead, they buy into the spurious idea that the traces of farms, Roman bath houses, garrison works, vineyards, caravanseries, synagogues, etc., have been discovered from a turn of the era Nazareth. These edifices do not exist in the factual record, but they widely populate apologists’ fiction."
VideoAudioDisco09 6 months ago
@VideoAudioDisco09 Regardless Jesus was real as all scholars agree...the only question was divinity. You can be gullible & find anything of other skeptics BS if want...that's not correct open minded reseach. Same with me...but I see both sides before deciding. You won't change as I've argued with hundreds of other pessimistic closed-minded types. Goodbye
GoodyBob 6 months ago
@GoodyBob
All Scholars Agree? You do not look far! Many do not and the number grows with investigation.
Some now think he was a literary creation.
FAKES, FRAUDS, AND FICTIONS
Because the religious mind relies on belief and faith, the religious person can inherit a dependence on any information that supports a belief and that includes fraudulent stories, rumors, unreliable data, and fictions, without the need to check sources, or to investigate the reliability of the information.
VideoAudioDisco09 6 months ago
@GoodyBob
"You won't change as I've argued "
I will change when evidence points to a logical conclusion supported by known facts not wishing and faith.
You will argue as do we all in the ether, however to convince a sceptic you need proof. Pointing to and quoting often already exposed lies and debunked "proofs" will not convince any but the gulible who want to be convinced without questioning. I checked your references sound good till you dig alittle deeper and find they are false.
VideoAudioDisco09 6 months ago
@GoodyBob
“Herodian oil lamps,” given the fact that these lamps in Galilee postdated the time of Herod the Great by several decades, those at Nazareth may postdated the entire Herodian dynasty. “Herodian” has been applied to the kokh tomb, Labeling such tombs “Herodian” is misleading, It misdirects the unwary reader to the time of Christ. Invariably, however, we find that these tombs and oil lamps are termed “Herodian” ONLY by Bagatti, James Strange, and other Christian archaeologists.
VideoAudioDisco09 6 months ago
@LilacLily9
1: Check the Etymology of the name, Etymology, Biblical references, Extrabiblical references, Origin of name
2: Karin Laub the Journalist is lets just say less than ethical and truthful.
3: Several self proclaimed archeologists have turned up stuff (that mysteriously appeared) or plainly drew incorrect conclusions. Real archeology No Nazareth.
As one quote said, "The want to believe in spite of the facts no because of them"
Many Christian sources are blatantlt lying. WHY?
VideoAudioDisco09 6 months ago
@LilacLily9
The expression 'Jesus of Nazareth' is actually a bad translation of the original Greek 'Jesous o Nazoraios'. More accurately, we should speak of 'Jesus the Nazarene' where Nazarene has a meaning quite unrelated to a place name. But just what is that meaning and how did it get applied to a small village? The highly ambiguous Hebrew root of the name is NZR.
Iit may have been the Hebrew noun 'netser' ('netzor'), meaning 'branch' or 'flower.' Look it up it is all very enlightening.
VideoAudioDisco09 6 months ago
@VideoAudioDisco09 For some reason many skeptics have taken to the notion, one laid to rest long ago, that Nazareth never existed as an inhabited city in the time of Jesus. They use an argument from silence and point to a website which claims that the author has excavated the site of ancient Nazareth and found it to be a mere single family farm. There is ample evidence to the contrary of this negative argument.
LilacLily9 6 months ago
@LilacLily9
"one laid to rest long ago" who are you trying to kid or do you believe this?
No doubt various christian web sites have claimed this like finding the Ark for the 10th time but laid to rest in religious debate equates with -we will just ignor it and pretend everything is OK.
1 house maybe.. 5 fine but the bible has a community ready to throw jesus off a cliff (which is not there either), there is a lie here somewhere and I will go with the facts, sorry bluffing won't work.
VideoAudioDisco09 6 months ago
@VideoAudioDisco09 New Archaeological Dig shed's Light on Jesus' Boyhood - AP, Dec. 97 by Karin Laub (UK) "By comparison, Nazareth was tiny, with two or three clans living in 35 homes spread over 2.5 hectares," Pfann said. "The homes later were razed by invaders: What remains are several basement caves, cisterns and silos excavated in the late 1950s." The caves were the basements, workshops and storage areas, rather than the dwelling places. Ignore these facts to suit your views as necessary.
LilacLily9 6 months ago
@VideoAudioDisco09 The closest "cliff" from which Jesus might have been thrown is roughly 2.5 miles away from the synagogue, but there is no reason why Jesus could not have been taken this far. The claim that there is no historical evidence for the existence of the town of Nazareth in the first century stands refuted by the archaeological data, and many of the more informed atheist critics, even among those who deny the historicity of Jesus, have advised caution with this argument.
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TOMISLAV6608 7 months ago
@TOMISLAV6608
Sir I am an Atheist, so I am not interested in a space cult anymore than the false creations an earth.
VideoAudioDisco09 6 months ago
If you believe in the christian faith you are always going to ignore anything that suggests something like the Turin shroud is faked. Unfortunately the church have a very long history of faking relics to bring in pilgrims and their penny's. There were many different shrouds circulating different churches at one time or another. Just because people cannot decide how it was faked, does not automatically make it the shroud of Jesus.
psymonism 7 months ago
"...without telling them when/where the letters originated..." Umm.. you're working on the shroud... not much room for hiding that is there?
I mean, if I were asked to find evidence of writing on the shroud I would assume the writing would be from the 1st century...
The shroud is the best evidence Christians have, I wish they would use it in arguments instead of the mostly worthless bible.
looncraz 7 months ago
That chick was kinda hot in a way
mnvinn 8 months ago
ummmm. I quote "The results of radiocarbon measurements at Arizona, Oxford and Zurich yield a calibrated calendar age range with at least 95% confidence for the linen of the Shroud of Turin of AD 1260 - 1390 (rounded down/up to nearest 10 yr). These results therefore provide conclusive evidence that the linen of the Shroud of Turin is mediaeval"
SmallFries01 8 months ago
@SmallFries01 i always heard it could've been wrong because there was a fire and they took the sample from an unwise place. if it was done again (which it probably wont be) it may say something different....? idk
Xiansiempre 8 months ago
@Xiansiempre In 2000, fragments of a burial shroud from the 1st century were discovered in a tomb near Jerusalem, believed to have belonged to a Jewish high priest or member of the aristocracy. The shroud was composed of a simple two-way weave, unlike the complex weave of the Turin Shroud. Based on this discovery, the researchers stated that the Turin Shroud did not originate from Jesus-era Jerusalem.
SmallFries01 8 months ago
@SmallFries01 There is more evidence for the shroud than against at the moment.
The biggest issue is the region and era-proper presence of pollens.
The correct 3d mapping, perfect negative, lack of pigments, and much more.
Not saying it's true, I'd prefer for it to be proven a fake ( I hate the idea of Christianity being real, it is a brutal and hateful religion like Islam - even though they both have their good points, the cores are very dark and ugly ).
looncraz 7 months ago
@looncraz I disagree with your statements of proof. You need to provide me your sources before I will accept any of this. Regardless. Even if it was proven that a guy named Jesus lived during this period and was the inspiration for christianity. You still would need to find evidence of his divinity and if you have basic knowledge how the bible was forged together by the papacy, you wouldn't beleive any of this nonesence.
SmallFries01 7 months ago
@SmallFries01 Never said proof, said "evidence for."
The rest of your argument suggests that I am Christian or something, which I am not.
I know the origins of Christianity well enough to know better ;-)
From a purely scientific view-point the shroud does appear to be from well before carbon date range ( the results do have some significant issues, sadly ), possibly even as far back as the 1st century.
Not convinced about this whole writing discovery though... I just don't see it.
Much fun.
looncraz 7 months ago
@loon Most hang-ups people have w. Christianity have to do w false doctrines that crept in when pagan Rome converted en masse after failing to stomp it out. The truth is ALL people will be saved eventually, "each in his own order," this does not mean that many will not suffer purifying fire of their consciousness before they accept Yeshua's forgiveness & death is abolished..it has nothing to do w never ending punishment, those are pagan concepts that twisted Jewish idioms into bad translations.
AllOtherNamesUsed 7 months ago
@AllOtherNamesUsed the first sentence is good. then you go off talking about purifying fire and ppl being saved etc. Present evidence for your assertment or you have no case or any truth in what you said. I think anyone who holds a beleif in a god needs to really examine why they beleive what they do. If you do not have credible evidence for your claims then you have no reason to beleive them.
SmallFries01 7 months ago
@SmallFries01 The evidence like the Shroud doesn't count to you apparently yet you don't even know the scientific papers. I'm tired of ignorant people arguing. I believed it was a fraud too, then I learned the other side not hyped. The C14 dating is textbook example of people hearing disinfo soundbytes and just eating it up. The scientific facts speak a different story. Again, you can't even bother to research it, then you need to ask yourself what drives you to speak against it so vehemently?
AllOtherNamesUsed 7 months ago
@AllOtherNamesUsed DR. Rogers made these new assertions from his home lab. His conclusions in alot of ppls opinions are open ended and unlikely. For Example. he only had "two thread" left over from the original carbon dating expirement from which to work with. He claims that this peice taken for dating was re-stiched after the fire in 1532. If this was the case then the dating should have return a 1500 date and not a 1260 - 1330. He then use heat decay of vanillin
SmallFries01 7 months ago
@SmallFries01 vanillin to give his new older date. But he even says himself in his own paper that he cannot know for sure what tempurature it was kept at. He then uses what he thinks is a likely tempurature it would have been kept at. to match the radiocarbon date and what result his this should show. which of course doesn't match the 0 vanillin content of the shroud. He then completly ignores fire dmg by saying there would still be vanillin left and in different degree, but fails to show how
SmallFries01 7 months ago
@SmallFries01 show how he knows this for a fact. its pure speculation
SmallFries01 7 months ago
@SmallFries01
She has a book to sell. !!!!!
Latin was not used atthe time and it is unlikely that even two different languages would be used anyway.
Believers hang on no matter what the evidence says.
VideoAudioDisco09 7 months ago
@VideoAudioDisco09 very good point :)
SmallFries01 7 months ago
@AllOtherNamesUsed Yes, many hang-ups most have are merely from the business aspect of Christianity.
Mine are not. I've actually read most of the bible ( several times ).
It is a worthless book that, in the end, barely even makes sense.
I can twist the book to mean anything I want... from God is great, loving, and all-forgiving ( in which case there is no need of Jesus... ) to God is the most evil thing ever, is vengeful, jealous, and blood thirsty.
Or we are all damned forever to whatever.
looncraz 7 months ago
@looncraz First you said "though they both have their good points, the cores are very dark and ugly"
now it's worthless in your opinion. fine
But the way the scriptures work is that they set their own terms and patterns through precedence. This is how people in the bible also interpreted scriptures. The bible sets its own terms strictly like a Law (Torah) so you can misled someone who knows it; checks and balances. For others it's just over their head and so pass it off as vomit trash.
AllOtherNamesUsed 7 months ago
@AllOtherNamesUsed so you CAN'T misled someone who knows it* at least very easily. Pharisees and scribes would add unlawful traditions & turned the temple into a business and lorded over people, of course this is the religious establishment Christ went head on against and was crucified for. Big surprise the religious establishment today teaches pagan traditions of hell, while scholars & theologians know better. Much error comes from mistranslating sheol, gehenna, hades & tartaroo all as "hell."
AllOtherNamesUsed 7 months ago
@AllOtherNamesUsed Are you just that terribly brainwashed?
I've seen many instances of the clergy wising up to the lies and leaving the faith altogether. Of course, this is less common in Islam because the death penalty comes along with it (though the Quran doesn't say it, humans made that rule!).
Your own argument invalidates the books! "Pharisees and scribes would add unlawful traditions" Yes, the books are written by humans, and are flawed.
Why did god let that happen if it was important?
looncraz 7 months ago
@AllOtherNamesUsed Wow, you so twist what I say...
By good points, I mean good messages. Both books have their share of good messages, but for the most part they are dark and ugly because they are based on ancient paganism.
That does make them worthless :-)
I've read the scriptures, and they don't work that way, period. There are underlying stories that make sense, but only if you ignore all of the conflicts. God sure is a shitty author!
Oh wait, but he didn't write either..so who did? ha!
looncraz 7 months ago
@AllOtherNamesUsed FINALLY!! At least you seem to know what the bible actually says better than most ;-)
I've pushed HUNDREDS of self-professed religious idiots who don't know what the bible says ( nor do they understand the meaning of hell-fire [destruction] ).
That said, I still think it's all rubbish until there is serious evidence to offer support, but at this time at boils down to faith, and in that I shall never trust.
The bible is just conflicting stories and ideas, not god-written...
looncraz 7 months ago
@looncraz If you had done any sort of studying of Christianity, ie: read the history from non-biased sources and also of the Saints and Early Church Fathers, ie: Irenaeus, Augustine, John of the Cross, Theresa of Avila, et al, instead of going along with popular media and other biased sources, you would see how Christianity is practically the opposite of Islam.
It is full of love not hate as is Islam. Read from Christian sources what Christianity is all about.
joan8862 7 months ago
@joan8862 ***EARLY*** Christianity was about love in the beginning, and Islam was about Mohammed's sex life and power-grab.
Christianity was a hippie movement, but it was hijacked by the establishment and thus what once was no longer is.
I speak as things as they are today as that is what is relevant.
The Quran is not full of hate, though, but the hadiths certainly warp the religion for the worse. Same with what happened to Christianity - love to veiled evil. But Muslims lost their way more.
looncraz 7 months ago
@looncraz I did not say the Quran was full of hate, but I believe Islam is.
Christianity, especially the Catholic Church in particular, has not really changed from 2000 years ago. Major teachings on the faith and morals are the same as then. Only those things that could be changed were, ie: married v. celibate priests, how long to fast before receiving communion, etc. Our Lord Jesus gave the Church the authority to bind and loose.
Read the bible carefully and read the Early Church Fathers.
joan8862 7 months ago
@joan8862 I know you didn't say that, I was expounding in an effort to be thorough and honest - that often gets lost in YouTube comments though ;-(
Christianity has changed GREATLY over time. Learn history outside the church about the church, you'll see. The words don't change, just which verses are used and how they are interpreted.
God stated that his laws and word would not change and that none could change them, but the CHURCH can change them at their own discretion? How nice for them!!
looncraz 7 months ago
@looncraz I know history in and out of the Church. Jesus gave his apostles the authority to bind and loose within the Church, see Matthew 18:18. These Apostles also then handed down to others what Jesus taught them, No Bible yet, just Hebrew scriptures. You probably don't see the Catholic Church as divine and human, but only human. But don't you think God would leave us some visible authority on earth so we know what is true re: God? That is the Catholic Church-when people reject it,
joan8862 7 months ago
@joan8862 You know the Catholic-version of the church's history from the sound of it.
You don't know the truth behind the church, it's history of power grabs, of violent control over the population, it's insistence that it can change God's laws [ though God stated in the bible that his laws cannot be changed, not even by him! ]. They changed the day of the sabbath from Saturday to Sunday - something that is a clear violation against God, yes?
The Church fits the description of the anti-Christ.
looncraz 7 months ago
@looncraz No- you won't read from the source, instead you listen to what non-Catholics say about the Church instead of reading from the earliest believers and what the Church actually teaches. We've heard your claims before- most of it is complete untruths or very exaggerated.
I for some reason thought you would bring intelligent arguments, but you are presenting the same old tired, over used false logic and arguments that have been used since the 16th cent. I've researched these claims before
joan8862 7 months ago
@joan8862 That's funny! Don't read non-secular non-biased historians.. no, that's wrong.. read, instead, from the source of the evil!!
LOL!! That is the funniest thing I've ever read!
OF COURSE the church will seem nice and clean when you listen ONLY to what they have to say!!
Christ, open up ANY unbiased history book and you will learn a thing or two!
If your only research is done through the church, then you're ignoring the real history! No wonder you keep getting into the same old rut!
looncraz 7 months ago
@looncraz Forget it-you are foolish and unreasonable. Good luck with your life.
joan8862 7 months ago
@joan8862 And I would say the same of you - if I were enough of a dick.
looncraz 7 months ago
@looncraz (Part 2) Use the internet-instead of just looking at sources to back your misguided and refuted impressions of the Church-do a search of sites that refute your claims.
Re: changing the sabbath from Sat. to Sun-see my earlier post about the Old and New Covenants and Matthew Chap.18:18. Find out how the Early Christians interpreted this.
I will not bother responding to any more of your posts-I can only pray that God will give you Light.
joan8862 7 months ago
@joan8862 Sorry, they changed the rules of the sabbath, and the day of worship. Always get those mixed up ( largely 'cuz I don't give a fuck ;-) ).
The renaissance was a revolt against the church's ACTUAL ways. What is sold as history by the church is not what happened, or is but always with a twist to excuse the church for its actions. Historians know the Vatican's behind-the-scenes manipulations, the church doesn't even respond. Assassinations, mass-killings, you name it, they've done it.
looncraz 7 months ago
@looncraz ran out of space- when people reject the Church then you have Protestant Christianity which moves this way and that with whatever is current in the world. But the Catholic Church has stayed true to Her teachings.
Re: the laws of God never changing- the New Covenant of Jesus' death on the cross fulfilled the Old Covenant, therefore the old laws were no longer necessary, such as dietary laws, sacrifice of animals, etc.
joan8862 7 months ago
What next, his tax returns?
MattieA65 8 months ago 2
FUCK OFF...
XBAGREMX 8 months ago
GUESS WHAT, I see no letters on the shroud, and as a fan of the Shroud, this certificate is bullshit
petarphyle 8 months ago
@petarphyle watch your language, to be a critic you don't need to use those words.
You just lost the point, and yes the letters are there.
Bluestreakteam 8 months ago
@Bluestreakteam
Where in the Bible did Jesus say that profanity was bad? NO WHERE, WHY?
because the first pope, Peter, was a fan of profanity you dick head.
go back to your Nintendo Sonic videos.
petarphyle 8 months ago
@petarphyle Please sir its SEGA and not Nintendo XD, Sonic is from SEGA mr big twollh
Ignorant...
To be troll you need to be a smart man a man who understands a bit of everythings...
and BTW are replying to the right person? O.o
I mean i dind't say nothing about Jesus i am just saying that being a child like man on youtube is wrong.
Bluestreakteam 8 months ago
@Bluestreakteam
proof that Sonic was originally owned by Nintendo
here's an interview with Yuji Naka, you do know who he is ?
watch?v=b8lJYKwbtac
petarphyle 8 months ago