The Fake Ape-Men - The Evolution Conspiracy clip 2

[NevilleRhysBarnes]

The claims about Lucy's knee-cap being found far from the rest of the skeleton have been totally debunked. Yet Creationists keep repeating the claim. Ditto the entire myth surrounding Nebraska man.

When are Creationists going to grow up?

[mikey1701]

Great video, God bless

[Jakeb575]

haha why do you delete all posts but ur own?

[charadester]

This video is amusing. The early years of human evolution studies were filled with egotistical claims and inflated assumptions. That happens when you have a tail and a tusk and try to arrive at an elephant. The video uses suggestive terms like scheme, concocted, and fraud (a bit more abrupt). Today, hundreds of fossil hominid forms have been unearthed. The pieces are fitting together much better. RE: Ardipithecus, the creationist's nightmare. Evolution happened. Get over it.

[griffgriff78]

Evolution is an outworking of a Naturalistic philosophy that conveniently claims it is factual despite being merely hypothetical.

[coolvideo28]

Thanks for the Video its awsome as far as people saying the video is ol the truth is always the truth

[PFC33]

Lanier, we also don't need any evidence because all the information has been documented. It's something that withstands time and is rarely looked at. It's a bit dusty because not many take a 2nd glance at it... it's..um, called... the Bible...

[PFC33]

Lanier, yes it is true that we will never know while living on this plaent, but evolution is impossible even to this day. Scientists say "evolution" to mean several "good mutations" and a mutation is a loss or deterioration in genetic code, thus rendering it impossible. That only leaves creation as the likely probability as to how we got here.

[helion1222]

hmmm...I wonder if it's the evolutionist of the creationists who discovered Piltdown Man to be a fraud....

[cubman3134]

these religions have no way of showing us the truth, how the earth was created, or were we'll go after death. Christianity shows us all of these things. i mean if you're worshiping something that was wrong 20 years ago why would it be right now?! it makes no sense, that is why christianity is the only true religion. it is also a proven fact that Christ rose from the dead and even talked to people that is a proven fact from other people from other religions. tell that to you're science gods.

[wehavebiscuits]

griffgriff, just so you know. These videos aren't designed to convert evolutionists. They're designed to make those already opposed to evolution become even more sure.

[griffgriff78]

These videos are designed? Man I thought they made themselves in a warm little pond over millions of years. How stupid am I?

[wehavebiscuits]

incredibly stupid

[griffgriff78]

So incredible that I don't believe you. Child.

[Acronym77]

W.W.E. F.R.I.D.A.Y. N.I.G.H.T. S.M.A.C.K.D.O.W.N. = "When Wisely Examining Fossil Record In Debates, Audiences Yet Notice Incredible Gaps, Having Transitions Still Missing As Creationist Knocks Darwinist Out With Nonfiction!"

Evolution is fiction.

[Risiatto]

A chimpanzee has femurs parallel to each other and a squared off pelvis. Lucy's pelvis was shaped just like ours this is proof that Lucy was walking upright. this video tried to make it seem like this is something apes do 100% of their lives but they dont's they walk 90% of their lives on their knuckles. Lucy walked 90% on her hind feet

[griffgriff78]

86% of statistics are made up on the spot. 99% of people know that.

[rubasub]

"a pig made a monkey out of an evolutionist" and that in a nutshell, great vid.

[TruthWarrioR110]

evolution can't be trusted

[SK3Nives]

OK so let's say we were created by God, how are we expected to choose one religion over another? Also some people even today live in tribes outside the modern world and know nothing of the Bible, do good people get sent to hell for choosing the wrong religion or being too confused to pick one at all, that is my problem with religion, it doesn't seem JUST that a God would forsake you for saying you follow the wrong beliefs.. that's what I can't begin to understand.. that would make God malevolent

[griffgriff78]

Read the book of Romans and/or Death in the City by Schaeffer. All humans have a consience and as such have enough awareness of the moral law to make us guilty before God regardless of what we beleived in life. God only judges us for what he knows we know, not what we could have known.

[Biggie4ever123]

How do Christains explain the variety of human like fossils? How did those come to be?

[griffgriff78]

Many Christians believe in evolution. Like Francis Collins, Kenneth Miller.

Others say varitation is wide yet limited within the kinds in the orginal creation. Kinds maybe equivalent to family in the taxonmic system.

[June28July]

This vid is bull, Evolution is the truth!

[griffgriff78]

You have thumbs right?

[June28July]

Yes, I do have thumbs. And yes, humans evolved from other apes.

[griffgriff78]

I know about the thumbs. Do these 'other apes' have thumbs?

[garthisle]

try reading national geographic you may find it enlightening

[griffgriff78]

Are you talking about a particular issue, or every issue?

Try reading the the Gospels. You will find them enlightening.

[charbroiledmonk1033]

heres a list: Sahelanthropus tchadensis000Ardipithecus ramidus000Australopithecus anamensis000Australopithecus afarensis000Kenyanthropus platyop000Australopithecus africanus000Australopithecus garhi000Australopithecus aethiopicus Australopithecus robustus Australopithecus boisei Homo habilis Homo georgicus Homo erectus Homo ergaster Homo antecessor Homo heidelbergensis Homo neanderthalensis Homo floresiensis Homo sapiens Hmmm, i think it would be best if you shut up now.

[griffgriff78]

is that a joint christmas and birthday list?

[tkmasala]

Thanks for the vid. Was watching a documentary on TV earlier about Ida, the new missing link. It looks like a modern kind of monkey to me...

I didn't realise that Lucy's knee cap had managed to get so far away from the rest of her leg. Perhaps she posted it to a close relative before she died?

The best argument against evolution is information. "in the beginning was the Word". Everything comes from information and information rules over matter/energy, therefore ID is required.

[griffgriff78]

This video is very old. 20 years or so. I post it for reference purposes by permission. I recommend you look for a more uptodate discussion of Lucy's knee from a variety of sources. Thanks.

[bluntedinatx]

this video is biased.

[griffgriff78]

Give tha man a prize

[TrueReligi0n]

Great video!!! evolutionist are silly, how come no one makes these things known to the public. It's a lot of people out there thinking that they come from apes

[lolgiggetyroflomg]

how about the fact that God created man in His own image. And it is all kind of weird that nothing can come from nothing huh? (wrong)

[Leehofooks]

The human skulls that Dubois found "near" the Java man fragments were actually found approximately 65 miles away in the mountains. He never hid or denied their existence, either. He reported on their discovery in three different papers between 1860 and 1862.

[IsaAbdullah1986]

One of the creationist scientists was flashing masonic symbols.

[griffgriff78]

Provide details. Interesting.

[VoodooMachineFilms]

AHAHA! i love this video, its really entertaining.

So tell me, do people who believe this conspiracy not believe in the imperical evidence that a flu bacteria mutates according to new hosts?

Because that IS evolution.

Do they not believe that the appendix is a useless organ that can kill you at any time, and servers no pupose?

Because that is evidence of evolution.

Do they not believe that humans have tailbones, comprised of fused vertebrae?

Because that is also evidence of evolution.

[sockofthedead2]

Wow. they left out a ton of evidende which actually does prove a missing link. Ever heard of Homo Floresiensis? Didn't think so. Or maybe the fact that Lucy was only one of about 50 specimens, including complete knee joints?

[Acronym77]

T.H.E. N.A.T.U.R.E. B.O.Y. R.I.C. F.L.A.I.R. = "Textbooks Hyping Evolution Now Are The Universe's Random Evolutionary By-products Of Yet Random Ideas Coming from Luck-produced Authors Inscribing Randomly!"

If evolution were true (thank God its not) the "unguided processes" of nature would have produced textbooks hyping evolution. All would be meaningless and subsumed in a universe that wasn't guided by purpose. That includes by-products. Evolution's as fake as pro wrestling!

[R0GU3Reilly]

If you notice there is a law for having false facts in school literature. How come they won't ban evolution from any biology book?

Because the people that promote evolution hate God in everyway possible and they try to make children brainwashed with this "Theory" not truth but a dumb idea mixed with a fear of eternal darkness by Charles Darwin. Even on his death bed he began to question his theory and wanted to know God but he knew he was too late.

[TheTruePatriot72]

Evolution = reason, debate, possibility for change in explanation

Religion = magical god, assertion, no possibility that the explanation of God is wrong

What makes more sense?

[lunabirdie]

classic!!!

[strickmatic727]

thanks for the vid..they dont teach that in school

[aleterra]

I don't think this is right. Every creature is an intermediate fossil, you cannot expect to see in 120 years results that take hundreds of thousands of years to see a significant difference.

[commonberus]

I find this puzzling. Most creationist videos I have found on You Tube about 2 out of 5 stars, this one has 4 and a half so I would expect it to be good. Instead it seems to be so badly researched I do not think they have looked Creationist sources properly.

Containing many old myths like Java Man being a gibbon ect. Some creationist videos with 2 stars were better.

[griffgriff78]

It's very old, 1988. I don't understand it either. Please rate it as you see fit.

[Ortanith]

Actually Neanderthal is not classified as Homo-Sapien however they are in the Homo genus.

[griffgriff78]

Yes and no Homo neanderthalis or Homo sapiens neanderthalensis.

[Miserenz]

Nice uptodate vid! Maybe something from after the 2000 would be a bit better?

[griffgriff78]

Yes. It is dated.

But how many more hominin fossils have been found. Evolution has only had 200 years to find a seamless change from one species to another.

[lowcomedy]

Ardipithecus ramidus

Australopithecus anamensis

Australopithecus afarensis

Australopithecus africanus

Australopithecus robustus

Australopithecus boisei

Homo habilis (Homo rudolfensis)

Homo erectus

Neanderthals

Homo sapiens

[griffgriff78]

Congratulations. You are a Homo.

[nightdriver]

not only have we found evidence of seamless changes, we've observed so-called macroevolution happening.

[griffgriff78]

Are you immortal?

[pestmanpat]

In the year 3000 piltdown man will be just as fake

[griffgriff78]

There are 2 basic choices to the beginning of life; an impersonal one like evolution or a personal one like a powerful intelligence.

[shampsies]

I was healed by God a few years back & when the Holy spirit went through my body I paniced, but straight away Jesus said to me, "It's ok it's Me"!!! (How did i know it was Him? Because i was praying IN HIS NAME)

Excepting isn't even the hard part.

Turning your back on the world is y many wont accept.

[griffgriff78]

Philip E Johnson is worth reading because he is a highly qualified lawyer. He is suited to spotting conjecture, defective or presumptive evidence. This appears on both sides of the creation/evolution debate.

His 'Reason in the Balance' is also very good.

[alienspy07]

The title is completely true!  There are no missing links!

They've all been found.

[griffgriff78]

The gaps are obvious as ever with those with an eye for detail.

Watch the video. Hopefully it will enlighten you. Find articles in the side panel that may help you consider a the evidence.

[alienspy07]

I can't watch the video because the sound on my computer isn't working. I was just pointing out how incredibly stupid the title is. "No missing links" implies that they all have been found.

Of course, whether the title meant what is grammatically correct or whether it meant that there are no transitional fossils, it is way off. Of course there are plenty that we haven't found, because paleontology is a fairly recent field, but there's no denying the tens of thousands that we have found.

[alienspy07]

I'm curious as to why you did not accept my last comment. It wasn't insulting nor did it contain any curse words.

[griffgriff78]

I switched off the alerts for my new comments. Because I was receiving too many emails so I didn't know you'd commented. Thank for your help. I renamed the video 'The Fake Ape-Men'. That might be a better representation of the content.

[fitchburgslut]

no the gaps are closing evolution is correct, it is still going on to this day, please open your eyes and all will be revealed

[griffgriff78]

That comment sounds very religious. I don't share your faith!

[griffgriff78]

Good question.

They exist but you do not hear about them because Naturalism dominates the scientific establishment. Any science that confirms God's word is unlikely to receive funding or wide publication.

arn..org and cis..org..uk are places to start looking.

[username0u812ic]

bottom line evolution is an unprovable theory and requires a leap of FAITH to swallow.the evolutionist are degrading you from a intelligent being to an animal!and people wonder why kids are killing each other,if you tell someone they are nothing more than an ape long enough they will tend to believe it and act as such.

[youtubbinh]

I totally agree... no evidence at all. All the evidences that evolutionist try to bring up as proof of evolution would not stand a day in court.

[griffgriff78]

It depends on the court. The infamous Scopes there is the infamous Scopes trial.

However Berkeley law professor Philip E Johnson has written the excellent Darwin on Trial and other books.

[Foxtalesoup]

Evolutionists really have to get their act together. They are beginning to lose credibility. Who drew the Lucy outline? an astrologist? I think for myself.

[griffgriff78]

Keep comments on aspects of the video please.

You should call your video "disputed evidence". Varieties developing existing types of plants and insects from existing is trivial. Read Micheal Denton's Book "Evolution: A theory in Crisis.

Archyopterix is debatable. See the video for more information.

watch?v=U8W88otaPeU

[silenceAllCritics]

I notice you chose to remove my comments, rather than answer them. Now why am I not surprised?

[griffgriff78]

Sorry, I do not remember. By habit I remove rude nes, nonsense and other unhelpful comments.

Feel free to make genuine comments on the video and I will not remove them. Thanks.

[silenceAllCritics]

It's likely you'd consider my comments "rude". Whatever.

[griffgriff78]

What comment did I remove?

[silenceAllCritics]

Something along the lines of "Your god is a fiction, this vid is rubbish, evolution is a fact, and you need to repent if you wish to be saved". Something like that. In fairness, it may have been eaten by utube, that seems to happen a lot.

[griffgriff78]

Probably did delete that unmemorable juvenile polemic for it's lack of constructive content.

If God is fiction, then your life is fiction. Think it through. God is necessary for Truth and meaning and morals. Nietzsche and Sartre realised that.

[silenceAllCritics]

Hey, don't go confusing me with an atheist. Your god is a fiction though.

[griffgriff78]

"Your god is a fiction though."

Everybody has a substitute for the true and living God. What's yours? Jesus said "I the Way, the Truth and the Life".

You say "Embrace Truth or be doomed. Your choice."

[geekbeeterupper]

you say every God in every religion is dead? who do you worship then? because you should reliaze that EVERY religion believes that they are right. so?

[griffgriff78]

Truth is truth even if nobody believes it.

And you believe that YOU are right. So?

[opc200]

Religion is out of date. Religion has been here to explain the unexplained, but we have science now. We don't need the delusion anymore.

[griffgriff78]

I used to think this. "Religion is out of date". Religion is common to every civilization. I am not a fan of 'religion' but I clearly see it's enduring presence in mans affairs.

God is eternal, however. Thanks for commenting.

[opc200]

But how can you prove God exists?

[griffgriff78]

God has proved Himself, making you without excuse. God will jugde you based on the undenialbe evidence of his existence all around you and inside you. The universe and the conscience not to even mention the Bible, where His character is revealed in detail.

[trooperdog99]

You need to watch Unlocking the Mystery of Life - the scientists who wrote your bio books are jumping the evolution ship because it's sinking.

[sannoryujin]

i don't care what scientists or priests says about us one thing i do know though! The hearts of men is the same! Since the dawn of time! ANd science does NOT explain everything! Can it explain love, compassion? It's all something inside of you called a SOUL!

[PFC33]

Religion is to give hope and comfort for those who are on earth. The bible promises a happy life on earth until death when they are taken to heaven so long as we understand that Jesus was and is our savior and do his bidding. He has only the best intentions for us.

Also, science is wrong about so many things, they are right about anatomy and a majority of astronomy and current events, but the past is something they will never be able to determine because the tools they are using are inaccurate.

[Bluefire1001]

God is real Evolotion is fake

[CapnOrdinary]

11 seconds in and the first lie is told. Examples in nature as well as in the lab of new species evolving have been observed. Saying that no species has been observed evolving into any other species is simply a lie.

[griffgriff78]

The first lie is told by Dr Vincent Ssarich, an Evolutionist. Evolutionists will lie.

Thanks for validating that for us.

However what species are you referring too? There may be new sub-species but not sure about species. Thanks for your comment.

[mattb521]

Haha and a very misinformed evolutionist at that! As well as outdated. People lie, evolutionists are people....I think you can put 2 and 2 together like an adult griffgriff78.

[griffgriff78]

A very misinformed evolutionist indeed. Evolution are specifically misinformed or lie regarding life's origins. I hope that you will come to realise that.

And people lie. A true saying: let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written (Romans 3:4)

[TheFallibleFiend]

It's no accident that if you check out the creationists on youtube, they are universally devoid of a strong background in science. Among the evolutionists, there are many with no background in science, but a few with moderate to considerable background. This is a reflection of what we see outside of youtube.

[griffgriff78]

It is no accident that with no scientific background that creationist can take on and frustrate the lofty claims of the most acclaimed academic convinced Darwinist. But if you want a list of academic creationists you may wish to look at: Michael J. Behe Professor of Biological Sciences, Michael Denton (biochemist), Cornelius Hunter (biophysicist), Stephen Meyer (Science historian). You can find them all online. Thanks for the comment.

[TheFallibleFiend]

Any idiot can "take on" scientists, but most haven't done the basic homework on the subject to have an intelligent opinion. The best examples are the arguments against radiometric dating and thermodynamics arguments. Behe is a good example, too, since he admitted during the trial that he wasn't even familiar with most of the recent work on the subject.

[griffgriff78]

There are many accredited and highly acclaimed Christian scientist who firmly believe in the Genesis account.

There is an entry level to all disciplines and science is often revised and corrected. Behe seems honest to me. Seen Unlocking the Mysteries of Life?

[username0u812ic]

evolution is a lie .if man evolved from apes why do we still have apes?

[griffgriff78]

Actually, limited adaptation or mirco-evolution does not depend on the extinction of the 'parent' population. So the theory of evolution, though still untrue, does anticipate the survival of apes.

[mattb521]

griffgriff78, I'm really curious as to why you don't believe in something there's definitive proof for. What evidence have you, that proves (I'm assuming Darwinian) evolution to be false? The video didn't contain anything but personal opinions and anecdotes. Please, show me scientific, objective (not from a creationist site), evidence that disproves evolution.

[griffgriff78]

Evolution has always been in dispute among scientists and others since it's Darwin's time. A theory needs to investigated and revised and corrected. This the "scientific method" (see wikipedia). Evidence that evolution is true. Until then I reject evolution in favor of better model.

Many thanks.

You must be watching another video. This video has statements from evolutionists and creationists and has many images of actual paleontological exhibits.

[mattb521]

yeah...evolutionists and creationists...30 years ago. The modern evolutionary synthesis is what Darwin contributed to. The scientific method is always used in a theory, including the theory of gravity today. This does not mean gravity is not true, because the method has not stopped. It's a constant in any theory.

[griffgriff78]

Bogus argument. Some theories can be verified by experiemnt like gravity. Issac Newton who wrot Principia Mathematica was a firm believer in God and attributed his genius to the spirit of God.

Evolution is recontruction of past events based on Naturalist philosophy and is not the same. Sorry.

[mattb521]

You just proved my point. "Some theories can be verified by experiment." I bet you couldn't guess how many things that we've dug up, that perfectly match evolution, because you simply ignore it, choosing instead to point at what we haven't dug up yet. We predict that we should find a (blank) fossil, and thirty years later we dig it up. This is verification.

[griffgriff78]

The links are still missing. There is lots of disagreement even among paleontologists about interpreting the fragmentary evidence.

God's word and the science agree. Man appears fully formed in the fossil record, with no intermediates. Explain that.

[mattb521]

If man is "fully formed" in the fossil record, than why are the skulls and bones different from modern day humans? Stop ignoring the obvious. Do you know what endogenous retrovirology is? It is beyond a shadow of a doubt, proof we and apes evolved from a common ancestor. Science and gods word do not agree one bit. No creationist has ever been able to disprove it, they just dance around it and change the subject.

[griffgriff78]

The human race encompasses a huge diversity of forms that are still human. Asians, Africans, Europeans all have distinct features. The fossil record shows this too.

I very much doubt that it is proven "beyond a shadow of a doubt". That is just beyond the realms of reason and science.

[sannoryujin]

have u considered that in the past 200, 000 years humans did not breed with different races, and kept to their own? Nowadays we have half- asian half-caucasians etc? Could that be responsible of how our bones structures might look different? we have combined in ourselves different features of dna i think that might explain some of those changes

[griffgriff78]

Kindly keep comments on the video. There are many accredited Christian scientists who believe in the Genesis account.

Also the fields of science can be stifled by faulty models, propounded by people holding unscientific philosophical positions like Naturalism and Physicalism.

[TheBigGameHunter1]

You notice world wide scientists believe one thing and religious people who choose to believe other things according to the particular one of the dozens of gods they follow.

[griffgriff78]

Not true. Many scientists are theists. Larson and Witham found that 40% of American scientists still believe in a personal God.

[TheBigGameHunter1]

griffgriff you claim man is impossible to have just evolved so must have been created by a god (The one god you belive in im sure NOT another god that it could be).

The problem is god is even far more impossibble than man and must have been created by a greater god. Your own theory proves itself wrong.

I love how they accuse science of being faith, religion is faith, Science has proof!

[griffgriff78]

Thanks for your comments

Life's origins are outside the realms of science unless they can be repeated. Both creation and evolution are historical reconstruction.

Science is limited to physical and measurable phenomena and is constantly revised. Science progresses by being proven wrong.

If God has spoken in history and that is recorded in the Bible then you should be open to that.

[TheBigGameHunter1]

Yes so you IGNORE the facts/evidence there is. Off course you know know rweligious book is the correct one, just like everyuone else does and the proof they have(In there religious book). Do you know quite a few stories of the bible are stolen from earlier works?

So you choose to believe in god even tho god is a far less likely answer than man existing without gods help.

[griffgriff78]

What evidence have I ignored?

I have plenty of evidence that God exists. It is evident to all people, but they suppress the truth and believe lies.

PS. Please check your spelling and stick to the comments on the video. Thank you.

[TheBigGameHunter1]

I noticed your comments are not on the video, when convienient. You never commented on how each person knows their god is real and the others false. The christians in the video have their belief then craft their biased video towards that. The bible is not proof of god, there is just as much proof for snow white. Evolution is far more rational than there just being an almighty god.

[griffgriff78]

I remove rude and pointless comments. The bible is reliable document. It records fulfilled prophecy and accurate historical accounts. Youtube for 'Lee Strobel', 'Gary Habermas' or 'Josh McDowell'.

Evolution is based the unprovable faith in life magically appearing from non-life. Evolution breaks the scientific law of biogenesis. Google it.

[agentorange20]

"Apes and humans are still wildly different"

ya, a whole 4 1/2% DNA genetic difference between Sapien and Chimps and Bonobo. that's some WILD differene all right.

well way to go, you didn't even bother to explain either the Fusion of Human Chromosome 2 or the 7 Identical ERV signatures.

how would you explain these evidences without the concept of evolution?

i like how your vids are from dated material from the 70's. nice.

[griffgriff78]

Google human genome. Humans have 3 billion DNA base pairs. 1/2% represents lots of information.

The 'fusion' is unprovable. And it would be better for evolution if men and apes had the same number of chromosomes. They do not.

Please visit in the link on the left called 'Ex-evolutionist exposes...' for a detailed study on DNA. Please listen to audio.

A powerful super intelligent being is the only plausible source for DNA.

[agentorange20]

"analogous structures in living creatures."

No, I am not saying an 'analogous structure' but in fact the very same & IDENTICAL 7 ERV's in the same genetic locations between us. apparently you're ignorant of ERV's it seems. see why I mocked your vid's that are older than I am?

[griffgriff78]

I said Creationists have no problem with homologous AND analogous structures in living creatures. That includes the identical ERVs.

[griffgriff78]

Please refrain from any rudeness. And please send information regarding ERVs via youtube mail.

Homologous means identical. See wikipedia.

Maybe you can tell me when a single fusion has been observed in nature, or are you expecting me to take the event on faith?

Many thanks.

[griffgriff78]

I am glad you say 'apparent' fusion (although you do not spell it correctly). If the chromosomes had not been 'fused' or if apes had less chromosomes then that would be new evidence for evolution. This ideology posing as science. Apes and humans are still wildly different. The pun is intended. Evolution is ideology posing as science. See my video No Transtional Forms watch?v=U8W88otaPeU

[d9002]

ok ok God made man but, who made God,ohh they'll tell God is out of time line or something like that

[griffgriff78]

Please stick to topic. However, "who made God" is nonsense as the nature of God is to be creator and not created. See videos on youtube by William Lane Craig or Ravi Zacharias on this subject.

[agentorange20]

"who made God" is nonsense as the nature of God is to be creator and not created."

well why is it nonsense? theists argue from the Cosmological arguement of causation that their must be a god, b/c everything that exists must have a cause.

so, how does your very own god avoid such a logic question?

some will say 'god is self created, but if he can be self created, why can't our very own universe be equally self created?

[griffgriff78]

This issue is addressed by other users on youtube like OneLessAtheist, philos71, goldengun85. See my subscriptions fro their profiles. I have also added a link to an article in 'About this video' called who made God. God is the uncreated creator. He creates by his word and his word became flesh in the form of a man Jesus Christ.

Man cannot create energy, matter or time and you ask if it created itself? Who is the fool here?

[agentorange20]

"'The Theory of Evolution Lacks Evidence'."

Ya, too bad it's like from he 70's. good god, it's older than I am! why don't you look that current data/evidence and debunk that, instead of attempting a disingenous attempt to debunk older or out of date data?

[griffgriff78]

This film is about 20 years old and the other is 10 years old. The basic arguments are sound so the films are still relavent.

Also energy cannot be created or destroyed by anything bounded by physics. Google 'conservation of energy'.

[agentorange20]

right, i know we can't 'create' it, but we can covert matter into it and vice versa. and no, 20 YO arguements are outdated. can you comment on my question on fusion of Human Chromsome 2 and 7 Identical ERV signatures? cheers

[griffgriff78]

I have commented on the 'fusion'. I said it is 'unprovable'.

When did it happen? Is it unrepeatable? Is it even science? Comment if you wish.

The interpretation presupposes evolution has taken place.

Creationists have no problem with homologous and analogous structures in living creatures. I hope you have your questions answered by the Ex-evolutionist audio file. Thank you.

[agentorange20]

"I have commented on the 'fusion'. I said it is 'unprovable'."

That's not a comment, that's a cop out that is hearsay nonsense. got evidence for how its unproveable?

"The interpretation presupposes evolution has taken place."

that's like saying an interpretation 'presuposes gravity is real' the evidence is what gives credence here, like all sciences.

[griffgriff78]

I have said that homology is not a problem for Creationism. I do not need to address 'fusion' directly if you cannot even give me an example of when or how it happens. It is merely necessary for you to believe it.

But I have placed 2 links to articles on human chromosome 2 to help you.

[KennyTew2]

Ok Pete, so you think my attempt to post my video as a response to yours, was an attempt to promote my video. I am not sure how you can infer my motives, but still not much I can do if you choose to censor. Tell me, will you censor a video made as a direct response? Because I will make one, but not if you will silence me.

[griffgriff78]

The reason I did not approve the vid was because it is an existing video on youtube. If you wish to make a video response I promise to be fair in approving a genuine video response.

[lubosgal]

Firstly there are skeletons of Homo habilis, erectus, Austrolopitecus.

Second, why to believe that we are from Adam and Eve, who had only male descendants. If they had any female child, that would mean brother sister sex -> degeneration of genes.

Third - how did Holy Ghost made up 2nd part of DNA when it made Virgin Mary pregnant.

[griffgriff78]

Stick the topic of the video or you will be blocked lubosgal. Read the bible for answers to your unrelated questions.

Homo habilis consists of fossil specimens that can either be classified as extinct australopithecine apes or as humans, with some of the latter displaying Homo erectus characteristics.

[lubosgal]

Homo habilis was something between human and ape and supports evolution. Do you need more bones and more radiometric age dating? Bible is BIG LIE

[griffgriff78]

A study found that Homo habilis was in 24 out of 28 test characteristics more similar to modern African apes than it was to other members of Homo. Given that the skeleton was placed in the genus Homo, these results were called by one of the authors, "unexpected in view of previous accounts of Homo habilis as a link between australopithecines and humans."

[lubosgal]

Then Homo erectus has more similar characteristics to modern people (maybe the half).

Homo habilis as you say has 80% ape, 20% human characteristics. In the case of biped Homo erectus with erected spine the biggest evolution of brain happened

[griffgriff78]

The fact is, however, that there are many human beings today with the same average skull dimensions as Homo erectus, and thick eyebrow protrusions can be found in various races today (as is the case with native Australians).

Also the spine disproves evolution. There is no intermediate between vertebrates and invertebrates.

Do you have a point?

[lubosgal]

How much have you really studied about antropology and evolution? Give me the sources, names of the books. I personally think that you put this video on Youtube just to draw some attention on you or maybe Pope sponsors you. If you don't like what is presented in contemporary museums, visit Creationist museums, there they will tell you that Adam lived with dinosaurs and had nothing common with apes.

[griffgriff78]

I don't know why I should advertise this. Who do you represent?

Biology A Level at a Cambridge College.

Books

Bones of Contention: A Creationist Assessment of the Human Fossils by Marvin L. Lubenow

Bone of Contention by Sylvia Baker

The Wedge of Truth and Reason in the Balance: the case against ntuarlism by Philp E Johnson

Darwin's God: Evolution and the Problem of Evil by Cornelius Hunter

The Essence of Darwinism by Kirsten Birkett

etc.

[KennyTew2]

Anyone in any doubt about the idiocy, lies and mis-quotation that are the toolkit of creationists watch this video. Thank you GriffGriff, a usefull reminder of the tactics of the enemies of reason. From Java man to lucy, (as far as I can bare the deception) the creationist lies are in evidence.

[griffgriff78]

Please be specific rather than ranting. I will respond if you can point out a lie.

And why defend 'reason' if your brain was merely the product of mindless material in motion and natural selection?

[KennyTew2]

I will respond with a message detailing each lie/inaccuracy/ abuse of quote, but the flaws are so many and so deep that I fear small posts can't cover it. I am a bit worried by your claim that Homo habilis can be classified as either australopithecene, ape or human. Have you ever seen a habilis skull? I'm buisy now so will respond when I have time.

[KennyTew2]

That said I will not respond unless you allow my video as a response, I don't deal with censors. Incidentally, feel free to post your video as a response to mine. I will not censor you, regardless of your actions.

[griffgriff78]

Youtube is an open forum and your video is already online is it not? I will sensor profanity, slander, blatant lies and comments off topic.

When you reply please avoid making remarks that are dealt with by the link provided. I look forward to hearing from you.

[MsWiener]

:( this creationist propaganda is disturbing.

Don't you people have any shame? I am a biology major and this video is beyond pathetic.

[griffgriff78]

I'm glad that you are disturbed. Hopefully you have been woken from you slumber!

Your 'major' is no match for my friend Dr. David Tyler PhD, MSc, BSc, MInstP, CPhys, CertEd, ACFI and Senior Lecturer. He Runs the Biblical Creation Society. I have now provided a link to their site.

Thank you for visiting.

[MsWiener]

No matter what you do, no matter what you try you will never bring back creationism back in the schools. Your PhD professor can give 1000 lectures and publish 1 million papers but he will NEVER disprove the theory of evolution.

Keep trying, because your fight is futile.

[griffgriff78]

I'll continue with the 'futile' fight FYI!

We're just doing our bit to open minds, one at a time if necessary. Evolution (not variation) will NEVER come up with the evidence necessary to make it reasonable. Evolution is disproved by the total lack of intermediate forms both observable remains and living creatures.

Thanks for stopping by.

[agentorange20]

Griff, since you doubt evolution, how do you explain the aparent fusion of Human Chromosome 2? or that we and Chimps share ERV signatures in & IDENTICAL locations? consider also that ERV placement is entirely random.

but by all means please explain such things with the idea of evolution and common descent.

[griffgriff78]

Thanks for stopping by. Happy new year. For videos on genetics see my video 'The Theory of Evolution Lacks Evidence'.