Kozoku vs Gozoku depends on if you consider him just a head of a clan or of noble decent. My mistake, he was born in Owari (present day Aichi) prefecture.
Ya know, Tokugawa didn't actually declared himself shogun in 1603. If you've seen James Clavell's shogun, you'd know that. It had never been Tokugawa's intention to become shogun. However, this was necessary to hold his political grip upon the newborn nation of Japan. The tenno had to install him and with aversion, Tokugawa accepted it at last
@zorc2000 newborn nation? im too lazy to google it, but im sure japan had existed one way or another loooooooong before tokugawa. and as good a novel as Shogun is, it is historical FICTION. it is by no way an accurate representation but simply one interpretation of historical facts.
There's a lot of bias in this... for example between Mitsuhide and Nobunaga, no one knows why Mitsuhide killed him, there is only speculation, but we can all agree that Nobunaga was a very controversial man whom many wanted dead. I wouldn't call Mitsuhide a rat is all I'm saying. This bias ruins the historical tone of the "Documentary".
no it actually its from the snow blood samurai. kill bill vol 1,when orin fought abtrix the influence came from the snow blood samurai that's the reason why you see snow on the background on kill bill vol 1 in the final fight.
Why do people feel the need for pointless academic point scoring?? Is it to enhance their shallow ego's or simply to hear themselves talk? This video is an accurate one, but no history is 100% correct.. deal with it and just watch the fucking video!
@Seanuk : Thanks Sean. I never intended this to be my final version and I definitely mixed a couple of facts up, but I never take personally the assaults by the morons in here. Half of them are asking about "Shogun the Movie" which means they're too stupid to have read the book and others know three facts about Japan and want to comment on one simple mistake. But it's nice to have the discourse anyways. The original intention of this was to be an outline for a real documentary on Tokugawa.
Does Tokugawa really count as an empire? Was it not the Imperial Loyalists that stripped the Tokugawa of their power during the Boshin War? Not that the emporer of Meiji had the power he was supposed to have anyway. Thats why Satsuma got so pissed.
"Fate of an Empire" as a title,is meant to describe the way that the Tokugawa Bakufu would forever change the Nippon Empire forever, for good or bad. Ieyasu himself completely changed the political and economic course of Japan.
@tenchimuyo69 The title is about the fate of the Japanese Empire, not a Tokgawa empire. And the Tokugawa Bakufu enjoyed almost 400 years of rule over Japan before the Boshin War, so I would say that that was plenty of time to assert itself as a force within Japan.
I have issues with some of your 'facts'. 1) Nobunaga was not of peasant stock nor was his father before him. Toyotomi Hideyoshi, the man to take over after Nobunaga, was of peasant stock even though his mother claimed that he was sired by a lowly foot soldier 2) Nobunaga had several heirs at the time of his death at honnoji. There was a power struggle to decide who would take over and ultimately Hideyoshi took over.
3) I assume you mean Ishida Mitsunari, not Ishido. 4) Tokugawa Ieyasu fought to suppress Hideyoshi's heir for many years after the battle of sekigahara. It wasn't until 1615 during the second siege of osaka castle that Ieyasu was finally rid of Hideyoshi's heir, Hideyori.
You know what Maeryck, you are absolutely correct. I amde this one night and wanted to go back and correct the mistakes, but i had saved without hope of making corrections. Cheers to you for being so well informed. id like to talk to you some more! Thank you for caring.
Whats the name of the song?
wardogmobius 6 months ago
I wonder what would of happened if Oda Nabunaga wasnt killed would Ieyasu still became Shogun??
Qball797 8 months ago
Oda was not a peasant, and he was killed by one of his generals before Japan has been united! u stupid peasant! ))
vasian89 11 months ago
I do not think Oda was a former peasant it was Hideyoshi and not " Ishido Mistunari it is Ishida Mitsunari
demonrave 2 years ago
Oda was from a kozoku (daimiyo) family from Odawara (part present day Aichi prefecture). They were thought to be descendants of the Taira.
kempeitai1 2 years ago
not kozoku,豪族(gouzoku)
Odawara is now Kanagawa prefecture and Nobunaga born in Nagoya(now Aichi)
69kapa 2 years ago
Kozoku vs Gozoku depends on if you consider him just a head of a clan or of noble decent. My mistake, he was born in Owari (present day Aichi) prefecture.
kempeitai1 2 years ago
@kempeitai1 This is an interesting bit of trivia here. You are correct, that's for sure. I hope you were none the less entertained. Asshole.
StaggerLeee 1 year ago
Ya know, Tokugawa didn't actually declared himself shogun in 1603. If you've seen James Clavell's shogun, you'd know that. It had never been Tokugawa's intention to become shogun. However, this was necessary to hold his political grip upon the newborn nation of Japan. The tenno had to install him and with aversion, Tokugawa accepted it at last
zorc2000 2 years ago
@zorc2000 newborn nation? im too lazy to google it, but im sure japan had existed one way or another loooooooong before tokugawa. and as good a novel as Shogun is, it is historical FICTION. it is by no way an accurate representation but simply one interpretation of historical facts.
vladikod 1 year ago
There's a lot of bias in this... for example between Mitsuhide and Nobunaga, no one knows why Mitsuhide killed him, there is only speculation, but we can all agree that Nobunaga was a very controversial man whom many wanted dead. I wouldn't call Mitsuhide a rat is all I'm saying. This bias ruins the historical tone of the "Documentary".
CroCopIsABeast 2 years ago
I have heard this music from somewhere before. Can you tell me where please?
Zarnik 2 years ago
Kill Bill: Volume 1.
csunryder 2 years ago
no it actually its from the snow blood samurai. kill bill vol 1,when orin fought abtrix the influence came from the snow blood samurai that's the reason why you see snow on the background on kill bill vol 1 in the final fight.
shintogunjin 2 years ago
Why do people feel the need for pointless academic point scoring?? Is it to enhance their shallow ego's or simply to hear themselves talk? This video is an accurate one, but no history is 100% correct.. deal with it and just watch the fucking video!
Seanuk 3 years ago
Because it is presented as an academic type of documentary and people like adding their two cents.
CroCopIsABeast 2 years ago
@Seanuk : Thanks Sean. I never intended this to be my final version and I definitely mixed a couple of facts up, but I never take personally the assaults by the morons in here. Half of them are asking about "Shogun the Movie" which means they're too stupid to have read the book and others know three facts about Japan and want to comment on one simple mistake. But it's nice to have the discourse anyways. The original intention of this was to be an outline for a real documentary on Tokugawa.
StaggerLeee 1 year ago
Does Tokugawa really count as an empire? Was it not the Imperial Loyalists that stripped the Tokugawa of their power during the Boshin War? Not that the emporer of Meiji had the power he was supposed to have anyway. Thats why Satsuma got so pissed.
tenchimuyo69 4 years ago
"Fate of an Empire" as a title,is meant to describe the way that the Tokugawa Bakufu would forever change the Nippon Empire forever, for good or bad. Ieyasu himself completely changed the political and economic course of Japan.
StaggerLeee 4 years ago
@tenchimuyo69 The title is about the fate of the Japanese Empire, not a Tokgawa empire. And the Tokugawa Bakufu enjoyed almost 400 years of rule over Japan before the Boshin War, so I would say that that was plenty of time to assert itself as a force within Japan.
StaggerLeee 9 months ago
5)mitsunari was never found on the battlefield he just disappeared
Cupcake4sale 4 years ago
No Cupcake, Ishida was found days later and given up by Tokugawa loyalists. The account of his death is entirely accurate.
StaggerLeee 4 years ago
I have issues with some of your 'facts'. 1) Nobunaga was not of peasant stock nor was his father before him. Toyotomi Hideyoshi, the man to take over after Nobunaga, was of peasant stock even though his mother claimed that he was sired by a lowly foot soldier 2) Nobunaga had several heirs at the time of his death at honnoji. There was a power struggle to decide who would take over and ultimately Hideyoshi took over.
Maeryck 4 years ago
3) I assume you mean Ishida Mitsunari, not Ishido. 4) Tokugawa Ieyasu fought to suppress Hideyoshi's heir for many years after the battle of sekigahara. It wasn't until 1615 during the second siege of osaka castle that Ieyasu was finally rid of Hideyoshi's heir, Hideyori.
Maeryck 4 years ago
You know what Maeryck, you are absolutely correct. I amde this one night and wanted to go back and correct the mistakes, but i had saved without hope of making corrections. Cheers to you for being so well informed. id like to talk to you some more! Thank you for caring.
StaggerLeee 4 years ago
this SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!
wainius302 4 years ago
Do I detect a little jealousy Wainius302? I thought so.
StaggerLeee 4 years ago
Constructive criticism required. If one says it sucks... why does it suck?
I did find the video slow and boring. And the music should have been REAL Japanese traditional music. Rather than western flutes and instruments.
tenchimuyo69 4 years ago
Thank you.
StaggerLeee 4 years ago
Nice work rly like it :)
papaalfonso 4 years ago