@DuneWest: Your disgustingly misanthropic posts exemplify the sad extent to which the jesus infection consumes the common decency of an otherwise normal human being. I doubt you retain the willpower to extricate yourself from your the self-righteous christian ignorance you've misguidedly embraced, but if you could escape its malevolent grip for even a second you'd be appalled to realize that in your current fantasy-land worldview values bronze-age lunacy over the lives of actual human beings.
Yes Thom, it is truly tragic to see people die---but the REAL tragety is that Millions and BILLIONS of people are going to a place called HELL----that's the REAL tragety! Every SECOND the clock ticks 2-3 people die and step into eternity. And that is why the world needs to KNOW, BELIEVE and ACCEPT Jesus Christ into their life---that we would have eternal life. Life as we know it NOW is only like the wink of an eyelid compared to where we will spend eternity. Surrender to Jesus Christ. God Bless
I dont like seeing people get killed, kids orphaned, and wifes becoming widowed either, but "freedom" is not always "free"---it costs something. Burrying your head in the sand doesn't make it go away. It's not a "perfect world". George Washingtion and his men had to fight for the freedom and liberty of America and many people died. The real tragety is many people are going to hell for eternity! There is a battle going on for the souls of men. It's all about eternity---and Chist is our only HOPE!
I dont like seeing people get killed, kids orphaned, and wifes becoming widowed either, but "freedom" is not always "free"---it costs something. Burrying your head in the sand doesn't make it go away. It's not a "perfect world". George Washingtion and his men had to fight for the freedom and liberty of America and many people died. The real tragety is many people are going to hell for eternity! There is a battle going on for the souls of men. It's all about eternity---Chist is our only HOPE!
Glad to see Thom finally tell that idiotic right wing simpleton where to get off. He should do that more often. Took a page from Mike Malloy-- way to go, Thom!
This piece of shit needs one a reality check two get a first class ticket straight to hells fire and let his dumbass mother fucking cock sucking die! Someone kill this dumb ass all of you who like him fuck you all!!!!
People are People.... Killing is Killing....... Seems only ADHD ppl can think out of the box and out of the country and really care for human rather than illusive boundaries such as countries and governments.....Way to go Thom!!
People are People.... Killing is Killing....... Seems only ADHD ppl can think out of the box and out of the country and really care for human rather than illusive boundaries such as countries and governments.....Way to go Thom!!
Jason, what were you thinking? Coming at Hartmann with pea-brain ideas about war and what is right, really? Good luck dude. The only way to create peace is to live a peaceful life. 90% of our Pentagon budget goes toward running over 700 military bases around the world. We are the imperialists of our age. We should be feeding people, building homes and schools. Providing for the general welfare. Sounds familiar. Hmmmmm. Oh yes, our constitution says to do this. Why aren't we?
@NEKO2BOT U refer to 1 incident , yet your brothers in palistine do this crap EVERYDAY. They go blow up buses , send rockets into Isreal , scream death to Isreal. Teach little kids to hate Jews and kill them. But you are too blind to see the truth . It is the pal gov and hamas and other terror groups who is causing this. END OF STORY
@NEKO2BOT Yes I am aware of the situation that occured. Both sides also settled the dispute thru the courts and Isreal pain massive amounts to fallen soldiers. Are you aware the pal gov teaches kids to hate Jews ? That they pay 25k to families to go kill themseslves with a suicide attack ? Hamas is a KNOWN terror agent ? Your little deal means nothing in the grand scheme of things. nice attempt though. BOttom line your palistine are a bunch of animals. Over 3k rocket fires into Isreal 2009
What President Bush did was make an example out of Iraq so any Muslim country who harbors terrorists will think twice before they attack the United States. Too bad Obama isn't doing the same. Should we have went into Iraq in the first place? Maybe, maybe not. But thie point is we're there. As far as Bush and Cheney giving up the chance to get bin Laden, ask Monsoor Ijaz about Bill Clinton's chance to get bin Laden and what he did about it.
this guy must not be on the rockafeller payroll , if msnbc had anything to do with this he would of never got away with it. How dare he take sides with humanity , how dare he switch sides and make effort to end business for the war profiteers on this issue
Israel is not "the problem" the problem in the middle east has been going on since humans came into the area. Poverty and unequality are the main problems
@NEKO2BOT oh dear god, here we go with you as a anit semite BS. Palistine is the prob not Isreal. The pals are the prob. Talk about probs. They have plenty of BS on here about BRAGGING to bomb Isreal, they do it from schools then play the victim. We have given them over 100million in aid and they cant even build a school , instead they build bombs. Yasser Arafat was a major terroist who was kicked out of 3 other countries before residing to Palistine. So take your palistine ass and STFU
@NEKO2BOT And who is the terroist ?? Isreal gave 99% away in the camp david accords for arafat, he came back and soon after shocker... bus bombings in Isreal . It is how you pals work. Say one thing then bomb, then play the victim. U are the one who started the whole zionist end game. I can promise you Pals will not end Isreal . look here on tube and find 100's of vids of hamas the gov of pals marching in the streets , burning flags praising killing of Jews. U dont see this from Isreal
@NEKO2BOT U are an idiot. Hamas is the elected gov over pal. They are a KNOWN terror group and ADMIT it. Thats a fact. Isreal has tried EVERYTHING with them, and in return all they get is bus bombs and other hanas acts. It is the pals who are friggin animals. They have recieved millions of dollars to build a civil society yet all they do is harbor animals/terroist U even admitted here u to want to wipe Isreal off the map. U are the racist no one else.
@NEKO2BOT All u gotta do is type in palistine terror here and you will find actual facts on it. Back in 06 when Isreal withdrew from gaz, 1 friggin day afterward , rockets slammed into Isreal. This goes on and on EVERY day with the palistine and Isreal > bottom line Palistine is a bunch of animals. SO gfo worship your genocide so called religion and keep dreamin on those "virgins" Islam could be a peaceful religion, yet the gov in charge have taken it over for terror. END OF STORY
@NEKO2BOT Hey fuckstick , you learn anything since yeaterday ? Or are you still stuck on your anti jew propaganda ? You are probably out looking for a suicide belt moron. You know nothing exept typical arab BS and hate. WOnder why the muslimg countries education is what barley 10-20% yet the west is way over that ? Yea cause we are civilized unlike the animals in the arab world
@NEKO2BOT Also the pals have done WAY more terror acts and have a SELF ADMITTED group in charge of thier GOV. Isreal responds in self defense. Pals are now keeping G shelat spelling ?? yet Isreal has given up over 30 pals in return. Turns out Pals went back on thier word didnt return G Shalat. I could go ON AND ON about the Pals and thier acts.
@NEKO2BOT No you end you lies so shut your ass. Isreal is a peacful gov unlike Pals they ADMIT to wanting to wipe Isreal off the map. Arafat was a admitted terrorist . There is WAY more history and proof of Pals committing acts. Isreal has EVERY right to defend itself against all your bus bombings etc.. U dont see Isreal doing this. SO take your BS 72 virgins and go fist your self. You are the one who is delusional
@NEKO2BOT No I am not a Jew . Funny about the porn reference. the arabs own TONS of it. WHen they took out Saddams sons they had 1000's of vids. Pals are a bunch of hippocrits. Say they want peace yet bomb Isreal. Say they respect other opinion yet call out Isreal on false claims. I will call you what ever I want when you are the one so brainwashed with ARAB propaganda
@NEKO2BOT Well I see 1 of your jihad buddies tried to bomb a plane, care to tell me how thats Isreals fault ? The Pals didnt own that land before , was owned by the Turks many yrs ago. Again just another BS from the arab world. Funny you dont see Isreal or peeps from the west doing this shit huh?? Look the last 20+ attacks on western front have been by muslims, your jihad buddies. friggin animal !
Are you forgetting that Israeli terrorists in jets, helicopters, and tanks using bombs, rockets and artillery shells killed 1,400 Palestinians including about 400 children a year ago?
That is terrorism according to the official definition.
The best estimates we have of the number of Iraqis who have lost their lives due to the illegal and immoral Zionist inspired attack and invasion of Iraq is 1.5 million.
@NEKO2BOT Again you are wrong. here are the facts. Palistine sent 3000 Qassam rockets into Isreal during 2008. Isreal responded . Which they have every right to. It is palistine causing this. Isreal is simply responding. Isreal was going to agree to continue the gaza agreements from the past 6months. Instead the animals over in pal started sending rockets again , from little kids schools infact. Just how stupid are you ? just google pal /isreal clearly shows what you animals do
You are obviously angry and emotional about Israel.
Do you fear that exposing Israeli, racism, Apartheid and Israeli war-crimes will destroy Israel?
You might be right. If Americans learn that Israel murdered over 2,000 Arab children in the last 10 years then Americans might refuse aid to Israel and it would collapse.
But don't you want people to know the truth?
Israel planned the attack on Gaza at least 6 months in advance. It did not matter what the Gazans did.
You don't seem to understand the basics here, though.
You really need to read a real history book.
People who called themselves Jews just because their ancestors converted to Judaism severalhundred years ago set up a colony in the ME just like the Japnese invaded the Philipines. The Palestinians are fighting back just like the Filipino people did.
@NEKO2BOT No it is u who does not understand it. Every time Isreal does some peace agreement etc... Within a few days hamas . al aqsa martys brigade etcc some terror group goes and committs terror ie a bus bomb, rockest .. your damn Gov Hamas is a self admitted terror group ! Your total hatred of the Jewish people and thier right to exist u dont understand. Just type in hamas on yt and u find plenty of stuff. The pals teach thier kids to be little suicide bombers, u dont see that w_Isreal
I guess you are new to this and it seems you have never read an actual history book on the topic of how people who call themselves Jews from Europe created a colony in the ME.
Their plan from the beginning was to ehtnically cleanse the area of Palestinians both Christian and Muslim.
This was the original crime. Land theft and ehtnic-cleansing. When Palestinians fight back they are simply defending their land and their right to exist.
@NEKO2BOT yes I have read history. Again you are just a typical brain washed pal supporter. Look at the facts. Isreal has tried damn near everything. Giving up land. cease fire after cease fire. Yet the pals just keep sending bombs in there. Isreal has a democratic gov. with educated people whio understand the dangers of the world and have tried peace. Pals have Hamas a KNOWN terror group who want suicide/bombs as a way to work.
@NEKO2BOT Yes I watched his BS . It still doesnt change the fact that Hamas and many other terror groups live/exist and base out of palistine. You clearly are delusional , so go ahead and keep dreamin . Isreal will defeat any piece of shit terror group. USA has given 100's of millions to pal yet they dont build schools/bridges infrastucture. I say cut off ALL aid to you animals until you get rid of hamas. I have pointed out clear facts on Isreal right to defend . U dont get it. period
Israel doesn't have a right to exist and more and more Americans like me are coming to that conclusion.
Jews in America have taught us to be tolerant of all races and religions that is why we condemn Israeli racism and the Israeli theft of Palestinian land.
Palestinians have the right to defend themselves and the land that the Jews stole.
Jews have a right to move out of Palestine.
Are you going to go out an protest for Israeli Apartheid in March?
@NEKO2BOT You are dead wrong on the amreicans not supporting Jewish state. Tell u what, u go get all the animals in palistine , roundup thier jihad belts adn bombs 1st. get rid og Hamas. al aqsa martyrs brigade and all other terror groups then maybe you wont be viewd as a terroist state.
Thom is a idiot, treat terror like a police ? Clinton did that in 93 and look what happend. they came back and they always will. They will always do the opposite of most white house admins policy, just to make us look bad. dumb ass ,I know of 3000 orphans in NYC. We didnt HAVE ANY TROOPS on the ground and lok what they did. If terroist are so peaceful, why didnt they come to the UN and ask us to leave ?? Fuckin liberal moron. U watch KSM will make a moch of our system he DOESNT deserve
Clinton tried to kill Osama in 97 and 99 he warned bush about him bush ignored the warning and that is why 9/11 occured because bush did not try find and kill him.
YOu are wrong. Clinton has admitted he had him but refused to take him...remember ??? But he was too afriad cuz he would offend someone. Clinton also did nothing after the 93 wtc bombing. oh wait he did... and yet 3 of the susupects got put on bail, fled to yemen. Clinton lso did nothing after the cole. Clinton refused to meet with tthe CIA director for 8yrs. BUsh tried to get bi leaden , it was his whole montra for 7plus yrs.
You know 3000 orphans in NYC? Bin Ladens justification for 9/11 includes 600,000 Iraqi children dying due US sanctions (1996 fatwa).
Terrorism is a tool, you cannot fight it with an army - When you catch a terrorist you cannot try him for terror, you try him for individual acts of violence or in the act of aiding/abetting, ie 911 would be be murder & destruction of property.
BTW In Iraq operation Shock & Awe killed thousands of civilians and was designed to terrify, is the US guilty of terror?
your are a moron for thinking that way. The US got approval for Iraq bin laden an dhis shit ass thugs did not u friggin moron. When groups like taliban do this you have no choice but to respond by destroying them, These peeps do not understand anything else.
America got approval for disarming Iraq, regime change was illegal, the fact Iraq did not have illegal weapons confirms the illegality, but Saddam did have the last laugh, 4300 dead/30,000 injured soldiers and $2trillion spent have bankrupted America to make it worse Iraq now belongs to Iran.
The Taliban did not attack America!! if you remember' after 911 the US demanded Bin Laden from the Taliban, the Taliban asked for evidence of guilt and the US refused and invaded.
again you are wrong. The UN res allowed for UP TO removing him from office. there were 17 UN res , saddam disobeyed all of them. The taliban didnt attack us, ?? The who did easter bunny ? The group has fully admitted to planning and carrying it out. US obtained plenty of laptops and found evidence. That just like hitler an dhis group ALWAYS denying killing of the jews NO MATTER what evidence you show them kinda like Iran currently huh ?
I think you are wasting your time with this "thbsooner". He gets his spin from conservative lies and he is too scared to check out the real facts. You could have all the facts in the world to prove him wrong and he will call the sources "liberal sources" and not reliable. While he'll believe anything the corporate media spins out without anything to prove it.
@lisabob22 No I get my news from all sources, actual credible ones not liberal BS blog sites like huff post etc.. U libs live in the land of la la land. We dont live in a perfect world there is real threats in our world, if we are nice to them they still hate us. Yes we need reform econmicly. Thom is a capitlist himself brags about it, then wants socialsm for you. You dont treat terroist like criminals. You have to eliminate them end of story. It is you who refuses to look at real fact
HAHA! He "lost it"? REALLY?!? I've never seen such contrived, fake, SCRIPTED bluster in my life! These are the pathetic individuals that democraps hold up as their journalistic heroes. Hartmissy is a tool.
I am not trying to be pleasant to idiots who are being used by the corporations and don't even know it.
Anybody who knows me personally know me as a very pleasant person. I am just getting sick of morons who don't understand what is going on, being nice hasn't got me any where with them so I am using their own tactics against them and you.
Well I have got some vids in the works to show you how wacky and false Thom's ideas and assertions are I'll be sure to keep you in mind when I get them done.
That was not scripted. You could see the video stream. WHere was the script? I didn't see a script. He lost it because you guys still support Bush after all the damage he did..
You are so brillant, how many books have you written? How many businesses have you started? Remember moron it has been conservative policies that have put us on the brink of another republican caused great depression. Try to face the truth if you can lemming.
Thom you are absolutely correct about "an excuse to get into Afghanistan" -- letting bin Laden escape.
But, why is the scientific evidence being ignored that proves tons of nano explosives were used to bring down the buildings? Is this another "inconvenient truth"?
We are following the PNAC document, hook-line-and sinker.
Excellent, Thom. Thanks for the wonderful reminder of why you're such an inspiration. No need to congratulate that propaganda parrot for getting your goat. I think we actually need more well-placed, justified anger like that to put these fools in their place, reinforce the reality they're so clearly detached from, and ultimately put our country back on the right path. Keep up the great work! - JP
We could all take a lesson from Thom Hartmann. Reason spoken with passion- personally, I loved the pounding of the table- is no less reasonable because of that passion.
Acctually, if the US ahd not turned their guns on the Lebanese whent hey were "invited" in as "peacekeepers", the Cole would not have been bombed. The 15 year war that destroyed Lebanon was directly precipitated by American "peacekeeping" activities.
They were part of the Multinational Force created in 1982, which created a lot of hostility in Lebanon. By the time the "peacekeeping" forces withdrew, Beirut was in ruins and Lebanon was devastated.
But not when the US overthrew the democratically elected gov. of Iran in 1953? Or secretly funded the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt as a terrorist organization to go after Nasser? Or intervened in the Lebanese civil war in the 1980s? Or supported Saddam Hussein in his attack on Iran, also in the 1980s? Or shot down an Iranian airliner in 1988? I won't even go into our unending support of Israel.
Might some of that have pissed off some folks, you think?
yeah the reason we have troops in iraq and afghanistan is because of 9-11. but i agree that they were at war against us for a long time before that and we did nothing about it. and what is wrong with our support of israel? would you rather we let them die?
Thom says it like it is. There are human beings behind these numbers. Imagine if it were your loved ones and the suffering they would endure. Jason - grow up!
Americans have a high tolerance for watching other people suffer, thats why things like, slavery,jim crow and wars are so acceptable for so, long. And it seems to get more acceptable if the people are dark skinned, I always find that interesting.
Dude said Fascist muslims, Fascist like Bushs, Grandfather who worked with the Nazis, Like Ford,the Rocefellers and the other heads of Industry in this country who worked with the Nazis while my Grandfather was fighting against them, Then people elect Bush and Bush, and call everyone else Fascist, News Flash we have a Fascist Govt in the US wake the fuck up.....Look up the meaning of Fascism you Morons Before you embarass yourselves further....
LOVE IT THOM. I too am fed up these immoral, conscienceless scum... That guy needs a punch in the face with his patronising, ignorant tone...
StunnedByStupidity 1 month ago
Right On Thom! Amen!
shadowmagix 3 months ago
Thom is a class act. That caller was clueless on the issues.
PurpleHoneyBear 6 months ago
@DuneWest: Your disgustingly misanthropic posts exemplify the sad extent to which the jesus infection consumes the common decency of an otherwise normal human being. I doubt you retain the willpower to extricate yourself from your the self-righteous christian ignorance you've misguidedly embraced, but if you could escape its malevolent grip for even a second you'd be appalled to realize that in your current fantasy-land worldview values bronze-age lunacy over the lives of actual human beings.
epigenomical 7 months ago
LoL whoa, Thom went all Michael Savage on that guy.
JoKo203 11 months ago 3
Yes Thom, it is truly tragic to see people die---but the REAL tragety is that Millions and BILLIONS of people are going to a place called HELL----that's the REAL tragety! Every SECOND the clock ticks 2-3 people die and step into eternity. And that is why the world needs to KNOW, BELIEVE and ACCEPT Jesus Christ into their life---that we would have eternal life. Life as we know it NOW is only like the wink of an eyelid compared to where we will spend eternity. Surrender to Jesus Christ. God Bless
DuneWest 11 months ago
I dont like seeing people get killed, kids orphaned, and wifes becoming widowed either, but "freedom" is not always "free"---it costs something. Burrying your head in the sand doesn't make it go away. It's not a "perfect world". George Washingtion and his men had to fight for the freedom and liberty of America and many people died. The real tragety is many people are going to hell for eternity! There is a battle going on for the souls of men. It's all about eternity---and Chist is our only HOPE!
DuneWest 11 months ago
I dont like seeing people get killed, kids orphaned, and wifes becoming widowed either, but "freedom" is not always "free"---it costs something. Burrying your head in the sand doesn't make it go away. It's not a "perfect world". George Washingtion and his men had to fight for the freedom and liberty of America and many people died. The real tragety is many people are going to hell for eternity! There is a battle going on for the souls of men. It's all about eternity---Chist is our only HOPE!
DuneWest 11 months ago
Thom can't even debate a kid without losing control. This is a clear sign of a low IQ.
gbuster129 1 year ago
@gbuster129 No it isn't, however by saying that it could be argued that you yourself do. A short-temper has nothing to do with your intelligence.
TheHerbulator 1 year ago
Glad to see Thom finally tell that idiotic right wing simpleton where to get off. He should do that more often. Took a page from Mike Malloy-- way to go, Thom!
EastCoastDude 1 year ago 2
We should nuke those bastards in the middle east and send some more men, to kick the ENEMY'S ass mutha fudger
o0owebero0o 1 year ago
Pure Pwnage begins at 2:08
When Thom ruffles his papers, you know shits about to go down!
patient0Studios 1 year ago
This piece of shit needs one a reality check two get a first class ticket straight to hells fire and let his dumbass mother fucking cock sucking die! Someone kill this dumb ass all of you who like him fuck you all!!!!
mercenary3226 1 year ago
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thom you piece of shit go to hell you dumb fucking cocksucking mother fucking piece of shit!!
mercenary3226 1 year ago
People are People.... Killing is Killing....... Seems only ADHD ppl can think out of the box and out of the country and really care for human rather than illusive boundaries such as countries and governments.....Way to go Thom!!
charitha42 1 year ago
People are People.... Killing is Killing....... Seems only ADHD ppl can think out of the box and out of the country and really care for human rather than illusive boundaries such as countries and governments.....Way to go Thom!!
charitha42 1 year ago
bush planned 911
slapme7times 1 year ago
Jason, what were you thinking? Coming at Hartmann with pea-brain ideas about war and what is right, really? Good luck dude. The only way to create peace is to live a peaceful life. 90% of our Pentagon budget goes toward running over 700 military bases around the world. We are the imperialists of our age. We should be feeding people, building homes and schools. Providing for the general welfare. Sounds familiar. Hmmmmm. Oh yes, our constitution says to do this. Why aren't we?
tombeardman 2 years ago 7
I don't understand why these people subject themselves to this. Hartman, Maddow, Malloy
or so brilliant.
pattykad 2 years ago
Was that done with a Tricaster?
17R3W 2 years ago
@thbsooner:
Neither the US Navy nor any other American agency has ever done a legitimate investigation of the attack on the USS Liberty.
Several high-ranking officer wanted to carry out a proper investigation but were blocked.
The powerful Israeli lobby will not permit anything that could possibly lead to an offical condemnation of the actions of the Israeli government.
The Israelis who sanctioned the attack should have been charged with murder and brought to trial.
NEKO2BOT 2 years ago
@NEKO2BOT U refer to 1 incident , yet your brothers in palistine do this crap EVERYDAY. They go blow up buses , send rockets into Isreal , scream death to Isreal. Teach little kids to hate Jews and kill them. But you are too blind to see the truth . It is the pal gov and hamas and other terror groups who is causing this. END OF STORY
thbsooner 2 years ago
Dear thbsooner:
Have you read about the USS Liberty?
In 1967 Israeli Jews attacked the USS Liberty killing over 30 American Christians in cold-blood. They injured over 100 American Christians as well.
It was a planned attack on American Christians.
Israel Jews hate us. Don't you know that?
They just want to take our money and have our soldiers die fighty Muslim nation like Iraq.
You have been sucked into their propaganda.
NEKO2BOT 2 years ago
@NEKO2BOT Yes I am aware of the situation that occured. Both sides also settled the dispute thru the courts and Isreal pain massive amounts to fallen soldiers. Are you aware the pal gov teaches kids to hate Jews ? That they pay 25k to families to go kill themseslves with a suicide attack ? Hamas is a KNOWN terror agent ? Your little deal means nothing in the grand scheme of things. nice attempt though. BOttom line your palistine are a bunch of animals. Over 3k rocket fires into Isreal 2009
thbsooner 2 years ago
awesome, do you know any widows? that was awesome. We do not need to go to war.
allawayjared 2 years ago
Please support Israel Apartheid week this year in early March.
Help end Israeli Apartheid.
You too, sooner.
NEKO2BOT 2 years ago
Zionism is racism.
The majority of the members of the UN voted in favor of a resolution stating that exactly. Real democrac in action.
Thom is great on many issues but a total coward when it comes to standing up to the bullying tactics of American Zionism.
More than 4,000 American troops have died for Israel but Thom never mentions it.
NEKO2BOT 2 years ago
What President Bush did was make an example out of Iraq so any Muslim country who harbors terrorists will think twice before they attack the United States. Too bad Obama isn't doing the same. Should we have went into Iraq in the first place? Maybe, maybe not. But thie point is we're there. As far as Bush and Cheney giving up the chance to get bin Laden, ask Monsoor Ijaz about Bill Clinton's chance to get bin Laden and what he did about it.
ajd1211 2 years ago
this guy must not be on the rockafeller payroll , if msnbc had anything to do with this he would of never got away with it. How dare he take sides with humanity , how dare he switch sides and make effort to end business for the war profiteers on this issue
Corrado900 2 years ago
Thom never told the caller to go to hell.
lisabob22 2 years ago
I like Thom on most topics but he refuses to face reality when it comes to Israel.
Israel is the problem in the Middle East.
Virtually our entire foreign policy is dictated to us by a small group of radical Zionists.
There wasn't a single "oil-man" on TV or wrting into newspapers supporting an attack on Iraq.
There was a whole line-up of radical Zionists who were, though.
Kevin Pollock, William Kristol, Daniel Pipes, Martin Indyk - Thom should be talking about these fiends.
NEKO2BOT 2 years ago
Israel is not "the problem" the problem in the middle east has been going on since humans came into the area. Poverty and unequality are the main problems
lisabob22 2 years ago
lisabob22:
Yes, Israel is the problem.
Israel is the embodiment of racism.
Jimmy Carter, Desmond Tuttu and Nelson Mandela all describe Israel's policy toward Palestinians as worse than Apartheid.
The Israeli Military admitted about 24 ours ago that it harvested organs from dead Palsetinians without permission.
Israel soldiers right here on YT admit to war crimes in Gaza.
Israel is built on stolen land.
You and Thom have to admit that Israel is a racist state.
NEKO2BOT 2 years ago
@NEKO2BOT oh dear god, here we go with you as a anit semite BS. Palistine is the prob not Isreal. The pals are the prob. Talk about probs. They have plenty of BS on here about BRAGGING to bomb Isreal, they do it from schools then play the victim. We have given them over 100million in aid and they cant even build a school , instead they build bombs. Yasser Arafat was a major terroist who was kicked out of 3 other countries before residing to Palistine. So take your palistine ass and STFU
thbsooner 2 years ago
Can you tell me why you are getting all emotional about this?
Countries come and go all the time. East Germany was a country for a while now it is gone.
Texas was a country, wasn't it?
California was part of Mexico.
Very soon Israel will become a non-Jewish Arab / Muslim country called Palestine.
There is nothing emotional about it.
You don't need to swear at anyone.
Zionism is a racist idea and you should be working to snuff it out like the disease it is.
NEKO2BOT 2 years ago
@NEKO2BOT And who is the terroist ?? Isreal gave 99% away in the camp david accords for arafat, he came back and soon after shocker... bus bombings in Isreal . It is how you pals work. Say one thing then bomb, then play the victim. U are the one who started the whole zionist end game. I can promise you Pals will not end Isreal . look here on tube and find 100's of vids of hamas the gov of pals marching in the streets , burning flags praising killing of Jews. U dont see this from Isreal
thbsooner 2 years ago
I am an American. Born and raised a Christian. Family been in the US for 100 years.
I have never bombed anyone.
I do know when I see racism though and Zionism is racism.
You don't understand that Jews hate you just as much as they hate Arab Muslims.
They hate Christian Arabs just as much as Muslims.
Israelis have killed way more Arabs including Christians than Arabs have killed Jews.
Palestinians are the real Jews, in fact. They converted to Christianity, then Islam.
NEKO2BOT 2 years ago
Sonner - you have to start reading real history books not comics.
The statement "Isreal gave 99% away" is just plain wrong.
No serious scholar of the Camp David talks would say that.
Israel did not give anything. Nothing even close to that offer would have been accepted by the Israeli Knesset.
I can tell you that I will give you $3 million right now but I means nothing because I have no intention of giving you anything.
Words are cheap and Zionist words are the cheaped of all.
NEKO2BOT 2 years ago
@NEKO2BOT U are an idiot. Hamas is the elected gov over pal. They are a KNOWN terror group and ADMIT it. Thats a fact. Isreal has tried EVERYTHING with them, and in return all they get is bus bombs and other hanas acts. It is the pals who are friggin animals. They have recieved millions of dollars to build a civil society yet all they do is harbor animals/terroist U even admitted here u to want to wipe Isreal off the map. U are the racist no one else.
thbsooner 2 years ago
@NEKO2BOT All u gotta do is type in palistine terror here and you will find actual facts on it. Back in 06 when Isreal withdrew from gaz, 1 friggin day afterward , rockets slammed into Isreal. This goes on and on EVERY day with the palistine and Isreal > bottom line Palistine is a bunch of animals. SO gfo worship your genocide so called religion and keep dreamin on those "virgins" Islam could be a peaceful religion, yet the gov in charge have taken it over for terror. END OF STORY
thbsooner 2 years ago
@NEKO2BOT Hey fuckstick , you learn anything since yeaterday ? Or are you still stuck on your anti jew propaganda ? You are probably out looking for a suicide belt moron. You know nothing exept typical arab BS and hate. WOnder why the muslimg countries education is what barley 10-20% yet the west is way over that ? Yea cause we are civilized unlike the animals in the arab world
thbsooner 2 years ago
@NEKO2BOT Also the pals have done WAY more terror acts and have a SELF ADMITTED group in charge of thier GOV. Isreal responds in self defense. Pals are now keeping G shelat spelling ?? yet Isreal has given up over 30 pals in return. Turns out Pals went back on thier word didnt return G Shalat. I could go ON AND ON about the Pals and thier acts.
thbsooner 2 years ago
sooner:
I have to tell you that your standard Zionist propagand just does not work anymore.
No onen falls for your lies.
The Israeli military just admitted that they harvested organs from dead Palestinians without permission.
There are videos on YT that show Israeli soldiers admitting they committed war crimes.
The Jewish judege from South Africa condemned Israel for committing war crimes.
Israel is built on stolen Palestinian land.
Help end Zionism.
NEKO2BOT 2 years ago
@NEKO2BOT No you end you lies so shut your ass. Isreal is a peacful gov unlike Pals they ADMIT to wanting to wipe Isreal off the map. Arafat was a admitted terrorist . There is WAY more history and proof of Pals committing acts. Isreal has EVERY right to defend itself against all your bus bombings etc.. U dont see Isreal doing this. SO take your BS 72 virgins and go fist your self. You are the one who is delusional
thbsooner 2 years ago
I really have to thank you for what you said and how you said it.
You see, if you were right then you would not have to swear and call me names.
Are you a Jew?
We know that Jews started and run the porn business in the US and that they are perverts.
You just proved that.
We are having a political coversation about Israeli war crimes and you have to add some sort of weird sexual curse into the discussion.
I am not mad at you at all. You have been brainwashed and you are wrong.
NEKO2BOT 2 years ago
@NEKO2BOT No I am not a Jew . Funny about the porn reference. the arabs own TONS of it. WHen they took out Saddams sons they had 1000's of vids. Pals are a bunch of hippocrits. Say they want peace yet bomb Isreal. Say they respect other opinion yet call out Isreal on false claims. I will call you what ever I want when you are the one so brainwashed with ARAB propaganda
thbsooner 2 years ago
Well, I am glad you can admit that the Jews created and still dominate the pron business.
All of what you call Israel belongs to the Palestinians.
Every square cm of it.
Have you ever stepped foot out of the US in your life?
Have you ever been to the ME.
Have you ever been to a Muslim country.
You do know of course that israeli historians agree that the Jews carried out ehtnic-cleansing to rid Palestine of Palestinians.
NEKO2BOT 2 years ago
@NEKO2BOT Well I see 1 of your jihad buddies tried to bomb a plane, care to tell me how thats Isreals fault ? The Pals didnt own that land before , was owned by the Turks many yrs ago. Again just another BS from the arab world. Funny you dont see Isreal or peeps from the west doing this shit huh?? Look the last 20+ attacks on western front have been by muslims, your jihad buddies. friggin animal !
thbsooner 2 years ago
Are you forgetting that Israeli terrorists in jets, helicopters, and tanks using bombs, rockets and artillery shells killed 1,400 Palestinians including about 400 children a year ago?
That is terrorism according to the official definition.
The best estimates we have of the number of Iraqis who have lost their lives due to the illegal and immoral Zionist inspired attack and invasion of Iraq is 1.5 million.
That is also terrorism.
You seem angry. What are you afraid of?
NEKO2BOT 2 years ago
@NEKO2BOT Again you are wrong. here are the facts. Palistine sent 3000 Qassam rockets into Isreal during 2008. Isreal responded . Which they have every right to. It is palistine causing this. Isreal is simply responding. Isreal was going to agree to continue the gaza agreements from the past 6months. Instead the animals over in pal started sending rockets again , from little kids schools infact. Just how stupid are you ? just google pal /isreal clearly shows what you animals do
thbsooner 2 years ago
sooner:
You are obviously angry and emotional about Israel.
Do you fear that exposing Israeli, racism, Apartheid and Israeli war-crimes will destroy Israel?
You might be right. If Americans learn that Israel murdered over 2,000 Arab children in the last 10 years then Americans might refuse aid to Israel and it would collapse.
But don't you want people to know the truth?
Israel planned the attack on Gaza at least 6 months in advance. It did not matter what the Gazans did.
NEKO2BOT 2 years ago
sooner:
You don't seem to understand the basics here, though.
You really need to read a real history book.
People who called themselves Jews just because their ancestors converted to Judaism severalhundred years ago set up a colony in the ME just like the Japnese invaded the Philipines. The Palestinians are fighting back just like the Filipino people did.
The Palestinians are the good guys.
The Jews are the evil coloniss stealing land.
Why do you want to side with the,?
NEKO2BOT 2 years ago
@NEKO2BOT No it is u who does not understand it. Every time Isreal does some peace agreement etc... Within a few days hamas . al aqsa martys brigade etcc some terror group goes and committs terror ie a bus bomb, rockest .. your damn Gov Hamas is a self admitted terror group ! Your total hatred of the Jewish people and thier right to exist u dont understand. Just type in hamas on yt and u find plenty of stuff. The pals teach thier kids to be little suicide bombers, u dont see that w_Isreal
thbsooner 2 years ago
Sooner:
I guess you are new to this and it seems you have never read an actual history book on the topic of how people who call themselves Jews from Europe created a colony in the ME.
Their plan from the beginning was to ehtnically cleanse the area of Palestinians both Christian and Muslim.
This was the original crime. Land theft and ehtnic-cleansing. When Palestinians fight back they are simply defending their land and their right to exist.
I guess you have never heard this B4.
NEKO2BOT 2 years ago
@NEKO2BOT yes I have read history. Again you are just a typical brain washed pal supporter. Look at the facts. Isreal has tried damn near everything. Giving up land. cease fire after cease fire. Yet the pals just keep sending bombs in there. Isreal has a democratic gov. with educated people whio understand the dangers of the world and have tried peace. Pals have Hamas a KNOWN terror group who want suicide/bombs as a way to work.
thbsooner 2 years ago
Did you watch Prof. Shlomo Sand talking about the invention of the Jewish people?
Do you admit that people who are not racially Jewish came to Ppalestine and stole the land?
Palestinians should not negotiate with people who claim to be Jews and are not for land that the so-called Jews stole from them.
israel is not a democracy because it does not allow the people in the occupied territory a vote.
Israel is a terrorist state.
NEKO2BOT 2 years ago
@NEKO2BOT Yes I watched his BS . It still doesnt change the fact that Hamas and many other terror groups live/exist and base out of palistine. You clearly are delusional , so go ahead and keep dreamin . Isreal will defeat any piece of shit terror group. USA has given 100's of millions to pal yet they dont build schools/bridges infrastucture. I say cut off ALL aid to you animals until you get rid of hamas. I have pointed out clear facts on Isreal right to defend . U dont get it. period
thbsooner 2 years ago
@thbsooner:
Israel doesn't have a right to exist and more and more Americans like me are coming to that conclusion.
Jews in America have taught us to be tolerant of all races and religions that is why we condemn Israeli racism and the Israeli theft of Palestinian land.
Palestinians have the right to defend themselves and the land that the Jews stole.
Jews have a right to move out of Palestine.
Are you going to go out an protest for Israeli Apartheid in March?
NEKO2BOT 2 years ago
@NEKO2BOT You are dead wrong on the amreicans not supporting Jewish state. Tell u what, u go get all the animals in palistine , roundup thier jihad belts adn bombs 1st. get rid og Hamas. al aqsa martyrs brigade and all other terror groups then maybe you wont be viewd as a terroist state.
thbsooner 2 years ago
sooner: You may want to find a new israel historian and listen to what he or she has to say about the history of Israel.
Shlomo Sand might be a good place to start. He lives in Israel and teaches at a major university.
I have read a lot about Israel but I can admit Dr. Sand knows more about Israeli history than I do.
Do you think you could also admit that?
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NEKO2BOT 2 years ago
You think you know what you are talking about but everything you think you know about Israel is wrong.
You have been sucked into what is known as "The Stanard Zionist Narative."
Real, Israeli historians have totally discredited "The Stanard Zionist Narative."
It is a nationalist creation myth created for propaganda purposes and not based on any historical facts.
Israel is a European colony based on false 18th century racial superiority.
Do you really want to support that?
NEKO2BOT 2 years ago
Thom is a idiot, treat terror like a police ? Clinton did that in 93 and look what happend. they came back and they always will. They will always do the opposite of most white house admins policy, just to make us look bad. dumb ass ,I know of 3000 orphans in NYC. We didnt HAVE ANY TROOPS on the ground and lok what they did. If terroist are so peaceful, why didnt they come to the UN and ask us to leave ?? Fuckin liberal moron. U watch KSM will make a moch of our system he DOESNT deserve
thbsooner 2 years ago
He also tried covertly tracking him down trying to kill him
Redfox161616 2 years ago
who tried to kill who ?
thbsooner 2 years ago
Clinton tried to kill Osama in 97 and 99 he warned bush about him bush ignored the warning and that is why 9/11 occured because bush did not try find and kill him.
Redfox161616 2 years ago
Nice history rewrite.
TheKuffarKid 2 years ago
It is not a rewrite
Redfox161616 2 years ago
YOu are wrong. Clinton has admitted he had him but refused to take him...remember ??? But he was too afriad cuz he would offend someone. Clinton also did nothing after the 93 wtc bombing. oh wait he did... and yet 3 of the susupects got put on bail, fled to yemen. Clinton lso did nothing after the cole. Clinton refused to meet with tthe CIA director for 8yrs. BUsh tried to get bi leaden , it was his whole montra for 7plus yrs.
thbsooner 2 years ago
you need to educate yourself and find the real fatcs, not some moron conservative spin
lisabob22 2 years ago
You know 3000 orphans in NYC? Bin Ladens justification for 9/11 includes 600,000 Iraqi children dying due US sanctions (1996 fatwa).
Terrorism is a tool, you cannot fight it with an army - When you catch a terrorist you cannot try him for terror, you try him for individual acts of violence or in the act of aiding/abetting, ie 911 would be be murder & destruction of property.
BTW In Iraq operation Shock & Awe killed thousands of civilians and was designed to terrify, is the US guilty of terror?
xdir 2 years ago
your are a moron for thinking that way. The US got approval for Iraq bin laden an dhis shit ass thugs did not u friggin moron. When groups like taliban do this you have no choice but to respond by destroying them, These peeps do not understand anything else.
thbsooner 2 years ago
America got approval for disarming Iraq, regime change was illegal, the fact Iraq did not have illegal weapons confirms the illegality, but Saddam did have the last laugh, 4300 dead/30,000 injured soldiers and $2trillion spent have bankrupted America to make it worse Iraq now belongs to Iran.
The Taliban did not attack America!! if you remember' after 911 the US demanded Bin Laden from the Taliban, the Taliban asked for evidence of guilt and the US refused and invaded.
xdir 2 years ago
again you are wrong. The UN res allowed for UP TO removing him from office. there were 17 UN res , saddam disobeyed all of them. The taliban didnt attack us, ?? The who did easter bunny ? The group has fully admitted to planning and carrying it out. US obtained plenty of laptops and found evidence. That just like hitler an dhis group ALWAYS denying killing of the jews NO MATTER what evidence you show them kinda like Iran currently huh ?
thbsooner 2 years ago
Give me the resolution number? the Resolutions demanded Saddam disarm (which he had done already, but BUSH did not believe (even though the CIA did)).
The Taliban did not attack America, it was ALQAIDA, 2 separate entities.
If you have evidence the Taliban planned 911 then send the evidence to the CIA asap, its information they do not have.
What does the Holocaust have to do with this? except maybe that Iran denies it happened and Bush believed in Iraqi WMD- both are wrong.
xdir 2 years ago
I think you are wasting your time with this "thbsooner". He gets his spin from conservative lies and he is too scared to check out the real facts. You could have all the facts in the world to prove him wrong and he will call the sources "liberal sources" and not reliable. While he'll believe anything the corporate media spins out without anything to prove it.
He doesn't know a fact from an obvious lie
lisabob22 2 years ago
@lisabob22 No I get my news from all sources, actual credible ones not liberal BS blog sites like huff post etc.. U libs live in the land of la la land. We dont live in a perfect world there is real threats in our world, if we are nice to them they still hate us. Yes we need reform econmicly. Thom is a capitlist himself brags about it, then wants socialsm for you. You dont treat terroist like criminals. You have to eliminate them end of story. It is you who refuses to look at real fact
thbsooner 2 years ago
@thbsooner:
I am not sure if liberal or conservative has any meaning anymore.
A true conservative would not be sending 25 billion dollars to Israel every year.
A conservative would not have taxed Americans in the first place.
A conservative would not allow anything like the Federal Reserve to exist.
A conservative would not allow Zionist dominated AIPAC and CFR to determine US foreign poilcy.
Hartmann and most "conservatives" in DC agree on these points - though.
NEKO2BOT 2 years ago
Correct the title he said, "To Hell with it"
taapas111 2 years ago
You're right!
Terrorism is police work! NOT MILITARY!!
War needs at least two standing armies!
And this schizo term -
War on Terror...
That's like hate on anger!
Tressco 2 years ago
Hey Thom Morons like Jason get me pissed off too. Some people will never learn because they are afraid of being wrong.
lisabob22 2 years ago
I love you Thom. You are the voice of the reasonable!!
tt247jer 2 years ago
HAHA! He "lost it"? REALLY?!? I've never seen such contrived, fake, SCRIPTED bluster in my life! These are the pathetic individuals that democraps hold up as their journalistic heroes. Hartmissy is a tool.
Democrats are such despicable pieces of shit.
fiestavee 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Maybe but libs like Hartmann are walking hate machines seething under the surface.
TheKuffarKid 2 years ago
And O'reilly is a loving guy with a warm heart. NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!
captcrais101 2 years ago
you are so dim witted. Anybody with any brains know who the "hate machines" are. Moron conservatives like you.
The "libs" are right 95% of the time on important issues.
lisabob22 2 years ago
Oh ok so you called me dim witted and a moron you are such a pleasant person aren't you?
TheKuffarKid 2 years ago
I am not trying to be pleasant to idiots who are being used by the corporations and don't even know it.
Anybody who knows me personally know me as a very pleasant person. I am just getting sick of morons who don't understand what is going on, being nice hasn't got me any where with them so I am using their own tactics against them and you.
lisabob22 2 years ago
Well I have got some vids in the works to show you how wacky and false Thom's ideas and assertions are I'll be sure to keep you in mind when I get them done.
TheKuffarKid 2 years ago
That was not scripted. You could see the video stream. WHere was the script? I didn't see a script. He lost it because you guys still support Bush after all the damage he did..
captcrais101 2 years ago
You are so brillant, how many books have you written? How many businesses have you started? Remember moron it has been conservative policies that have put us on the brink of another republican caused great depression. Try to face the truth if you can lemming.
lisabob22 2 years ago
Thom you are absolutely correct about "an excuse to get into Afghanistan" -- letting bin Laden escape.
But, why is the scientific evidence being ignored that proves tons of nano explosives were used to bring down the buildings? Is this another "inconvenient truth"?
We are following the PNAC document, hook-line-and sinker.
greatbroad 2 years ago 3
Excellent, Thom. Thanks for the wonderful reminder of why you're such an inspiration. No need to congratulate that propaganda parrot for getting your goat. I think we actually need more well-placed, justified anger like that to put these fools in their place, reinforce the reality they're so clearly detached from, and ultimately put our country back on the right path. Keep up the great work! - JP
jperryam 2 years ago
Islamo-fascist might be the dumbest term ever. It doesn't even make sense, it's more of a marketing tool for demonization than anything.
billthebutcher2 2 years ago 3
We could all take a lesson from Thom Hartmann. Reason spoken with passion- personally, I loved the pounding of the table- is no less reasonable because of that passion.
Love ya, Thom.
julsHz 2 years ago 3
gotta hand it to you, Thom...you were still way more collected than a lot of us would have been with him!
antifaith82 2 years ago 9
The second caller nailed it.
getplaning 2 years ago 2
and no one would have lost they're lives if islamo-fascists would not have started this war on 9-11.
jhamm999 2 years ago
Acctually, if the US ahd not turned their guns on the Lebanese whent hey were "invited" in as "peacekeepers", the Cole would not have been bombed. The 15 year war that destroyed Lebanon was directly precipitated by American "peacekeeping" activities.
pirbird14 2 years ago
and when was this?
jhamm999 2 years ago
They were part of the Multinational Force created in 1982, which created a lot of hostility in Lebanon. By the time the "peacekeeping" forces withdrew, Beirut was in ruins and Lebanon was devastated.
pirbird14 2 years ago
You think the war started on 9-11?
But not when the US overthrew the democratically elected gov. of Iran in 1953? Or secretly funded the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt as a terrorist organization to go after Nasser? Or intervened in the Lebanese civil war in the 1980s? Or supported Saddam Hussein in his attack on Iran, also in the 1980s? Or shot down an Iranian airliner in 1988? I won't even go into our unending support of Israel.
Might some of that have pissed off some folks, you think?
thucy2 2 years ago
yeah the reason we have troops in iraq and afghanistan is because of 9-11. but i agree that they were at war against us for a long time before that and we did nothing about it. and what is wrong with our support of israel? would you rather we let them die?
jhamm999 2 years ago
Thom says it like it is. There are human beings behind these numbers. Imagine if it were your loved ones and the suffering they would endure. Jason - grow up!
theacidqueen08 2 years ago 7
Quite simply Thom reminds us of our own humanity.
tempelton 2 years ago 3
5 stars. thanks for showing how I feel. and I was against going into Afghanistan also. signed, mother of 2 soldiers who agree with you.
mrsbrown333 2 years ago 4
Go Thom, Nice to see you get mad, kudos!
matsutakneatche 2 years ago 3
Funny how the pro-war people keep forgetting that for every "bad guy" that gets killed, ten to more innocent people are killed by our forces..
booley 2 years ago 4
Americans have a high tolerance for watching other people suffer, thats why things like, slavery,jim crow and wars are so acceptable for so, long. And it seems to get more acceptable if the people are dark skinned, I always find that interesting.
borat443 2 years ago 2
Thanks Thom for being so real and a master of reason. Passion and compassion backed up by intellect and reason is very powerful. You proved it here!
tomestubbs 2 years ago 5
I love Thom Hartmann....just love him....
calimntgirl34 2 years ago 6
That's the first time I've ever seen Thom lose it.
Orlor 2 years ago
It is very easy to lose it with consevatives who put us in this mess to begin with.
captcrais101 2 years ago
Thank you, Thom. It needs to be said loud and clear and with emotion.
NShutterbug 2 years ago
Dude said Fascist muslims, Fascist like Bushs, Grandfather who worked with the Nazis, Like Ford,the Rocefellers and the other heads of Industry in this country who worked with the Nazis while my Grandfather was fighting against them, Then people elect Bush and Bush, and call everyone else Fascist, News Flash we have a Fascist Govt in the US wake the fuck up.....Look up the meaning of Fascism you Morons Before you embarass yourselves further....
borat443 2 years ago 8
Dude is an oxymoron! Never thought an a person could be an oxymoron too.
educution 2 years ago
Wow! I never saw Thom loose his cool like that. He's right though.
mldnathai 2 years ago
The caller had no idea that Reagan cut and ran in Lebanon. You shut him down completely Thom, thank you for what you do.
starkweather444 2 years ago 9