I'm trying to find a clip of the scene where Leo meets and forgives the girl who stabbed him in the back by passing his medical files to the Repubs. Is it up anywhere? I love that scene.
A very fine piece of acting. When Jiosh asks "you're ready for that" and Leo says "Yes", this is one of the most brilliant acting I've ever seen. What you can understand from that "yes" that is at the same time full of energy, despair, almost a cry for help. For a split second Leo looks like a child. Brilliant, really.
This is exactly what was missing from the post-Sorkin West Wing. After he left, they made the characters bicker and fight each other like they were on a soap opera or something. This kind of common purpose and the idea that you stand by your friends when they're in trouble just got thrown overboard completely. It's the reason why I refuse to watch past season 4.
"We're here for whatever you need. Just wanted to tell you that."
Why doesn't anyone in politics use that line anymore? Why won't anyone even *consider* saying what Josh said? Name a single person since the Kennedy administration who was as loyal to a member of their staff as these people are to Leo, and I'll be astonished.
@joeyjohns1984 blindly is the operative difference between the WW crew and Bush's crew. its easy to be blindly loyal to someone, its quite a different matter to be loyal to someone when you take into account all their weaknesses and imperfections, and to question them when they step past the line.
(As a matter of fact, only two of the above refused to grant a Presidential pardon to those who served the administration to the point of breaking the law (one each)--and if they had done otherwise, guess who would be racing to bash them for it.
(Kennedy's Camelot-like image does not mean that he was a beacon of every virtue. People being charmed by Kennedy-the-celebrity and by Bartlet-the-fictional-President does not make fantasies real.)
DO you, like, have something against Bartlet? You keep bashing him, which is like bashing Mr. Rogers. And I'm not talking about Kennedy being awesome -- I'm talking about his staff being famously loyal to him.
1 No, Dear. I enjoyed The West Wing immensely. But I neither fanatically worship the fictional character depicted nor lose sight of the line between fantasy and reality.
2 REPEAT: *On what basis* do you conclude that Reagan, Bush Sr, WJ Clinton and Bush Jr failed to reciprocate the loyalty of their closest aides and staff?
3 In fairness to you, a former long-serving Press Secretary named Scott McClellan did write a tell-all-and-excoriate book on the administration which had yet to end--feeding the bloodthirst of the rabid segment of the other side of the political divide, and endorsing the other Party's candidate to succeed the President he used to serve.
(i) But how he differ from those who later revealed JFK's illness and near-nymphomania.
(ii) But the above person is a staff member being disloyal to the President he served, not a President being disloyal to his staff. By contrast, the argument you yourself put forward was "No one since JFK has been as loyal to his staff as these people have been towards Leo".
Which brings us back to the question which you have yet to answer.
ANd that was not my argument. I said that no group of staffers have been this loyal to each other. I was not talking about a president being loyal to his staff, although I'm not saying JFK wasn't. You just put words in my mouth so that you could make an argument out of it. Now for God's sake, just shut up and stop cluttering this page with crap that isn't related to the video.
@grumpytosnowwhite Pardon me, but how can you so rudely tell someone to "shut up" and say they are "cluttering this page with crap that isn't related to the video" when it was you who brought up the matter of "loyalty under different presidents"?
I didn't say they were not loyal -- I said they were not *as* loyal as these characters were. Got that through your thick skull? Of course, I don't *know* this for a fact, but since I've never heard anything told, I assume not.
> Name a single person since the Kenny administration
> who was as loyal to a member of their staff
> as these people are to Leo.
The above is an exact quote. Now answer the question: "ON WHAT BASIS DO YOU CONCLUDE that there was less loyalty under Reagan, Bush Sr, WJ Clinton, Bush Jr (or BH Obama)?"
@grumpytosnowwhite Pardon me again, but if you don't know something for a fact then how can you assume that "they were not as loyal as these characters were"? If that other person has a "thick skull" then what is someone who says "since I've never heard anything told, I assume not"?
That other person may seem pedantic but from what I can see you are rude and your argument has holes in it.
Actually, I just made a comment, and remarked that no one in Washington is this loyal anymore, and hasn't been for a long time. I was not bringing up some specific argument, and I did not "bring up the topic of loyalty under different presidents" -- that was a throwaway remark, not an argument. Now, please lets just stop this idiocy, OK?
I tear up every time I see this unwavering display of dedicated loyalty. Particularly when Leo looks at Toby and he just dips his head so in a strong reaffirmant of his resolve for his boss.
Name one person or event where there's been this much loyalty. Libby maybe after all he went to prison to protect Chaney & Rove. BTW I happen to like chaney even if he was bad vp so I aint bashing him nor does he or libby deserve to be bashed. Running a country is hard yet they get no slack. Democrats sure arent this loyal look how they treated Lieberman for going against the cult leader.
I'm trying to find a clip of the scene where Leo meets and forgives the girl who stabbed him in the back by passing his medical files to the Repubs. Is it up anywhere? I love that scene.
cshubs 3 days ago
Does your family know?
Margaret nods
NDAFON 1 month ago
A very fine piece of acting. When Jiosh asks "you're ready for that" and Leo says "Yes", this is one of the most brilliant acting I've ever seen. What you can understand from that "yes" that is at the same time full of energy, despair, almost a cry for help. For a split second Leo looks like a child. Brilliant, really.
VincentandCoBxl 3 months ago
This is exactly what was missing from the post-Sorkin West Wing. After he left, they made the characters bicker and fight each other like they were on a soap opera or something. This kind of common purpose and the idea that you stand by your friends when they're in trouble just got thrown overboard completely. It's the reason why I refuse to watch past season 4.
jimbopumbapigsticks 6 months ago
"We're here for whatever you need. Just wanted to tell you that."
Why doesn't anyone in politics use that line anymore? Why won't anyone even *consider* saying what Josh said? Name a single person since the Kennedy administration who was as loyal to a member of their staff as these people are to Leo, and I'll be astonished.
grumpytosnowwhite 2 years ago
um, loyalty was THE catch phrase of the Bush white house. they may have been misugided, but they were blindly loyal
joeyjohns1984 2 years ago 12
You know, you're actually right about that. Well, no one else in politics is this loyal anymore, then.
grumpytosnowwhite 2 years ago
@joeyjohns1984 blindly is the operative difference between the WW crew and Bush's crew. its easy to be blindly loyal to someone, its quite a different matter to be loyal to someone when you take into account all their weaknesses and imperfections, and to question them when they step past the line.
Kakerot4141 4 months ago
@joeyjohns1984 A good example of how loyalty, taken to the point of dogmatism, is a BAD thing.
Significantpower 4 weeks ago
GRUMPYTOSNOWWHITE
> Name a single person since the Kennedy administration
> who was as loyal to a member of their staff
> ... I'll be astonished.
On what basis do you conclude that Reagan, Bush Sr, WJ Clinton and Bush Jr failed to reciprocate the loyalty of their closest aides and staff?
. . .
gagothesith 2 years ago
(As a matter of fact, only two of the above refused to grant a Presidential pardon to those who served the administration to the point of breaking the law (one each)--and if they had done otherwise, guess who would be racing to bash them for it.
(Kennedy's Camelot-like image does not mean that he was a beacon of every virtue. People being charmed by Kennedy-the-celebrity and by Bartlet-the-fictional-President does not make fantasies real.)
gagothesith 2 years ago
DO you, like, have something against Bartlet? You keep bashing him, which is like bashing Mr. Rogers. And I'm not talking about Kennedy being awesome -- I'm talking about his staff being famously loyal to him.
grumpytosnowwhite 2 years ago
1 No, Dear. I enjoyed The West Wing immensely. But I neither fanatically worship the fictional character depicted nor lose sight of the line between fantasy and reality.
2 REPEAT: *On what basis* do you conclude that Reagan, Bush Sr, WJ Clinton and Bush Jr failed to reciprocate the loyalty of their closest aides and staff?
gagothesith 2 years ago
3 In fairness to you, a former long-serving Press Secretary named Scott McClellan did write a tell-all-and-excoriate book on the administration which had yet to end--feeding the bloodthirst of the rabid segment of the other side of the political divide, and endorsing the other Party's candidate to succeed the President he used to serve.
(i) But how he differ from those who later revealed JFK's illness and near-nymphomania.
. . .
gagothesith 2 years ago
(ii) But the above person is a staff member being disloyal to the President he served, not a President being disloyal to his staff. By contrast, the argument you yourself put forward was "No one since JFK has been as loyal to his staff as these people have been towards Leo".
Which brings us back to the question which you have yet to answer.
gagothesith 2 years ago
ANd that was not my argument. I said that no group of staffers have been this loyal to each other. I was not talking about a president being loyal to his staff, although I'm not saying JFK wasn't. You just put words in my mouth so that you could make an argument out of it. Now for God's sake, just shut up and stop cluttering this page with crap that isn't related to the video.
grumpytosnowwhite 2 years ago
@grumpytosnowwhite Pardon me, but how can you so rudely tell someone to "shut up" and say they are "cluttering this page with crap that isn't related to the video" when it was you who brought up the matter of "loyalty under different presidents"?
TripleADalmatians 2 years ago
I didn't say they were not loyal -- I said they were not *as* loyal as these characters were. Got that through your thick skull? Of course, I don't *know* this for a fact, but since I've never heard anything told, I assume not.
grumpytosnowwhite 2 years ago
GRUMPTYTOSNOWWHITE
> Name a single person since the Kenny administration
> who was as loyal to a member of their staff
> as these people are to Leo.
The above is an exact quote. Now answer the question: "ON WHAT BASIS DO YOU CONCLUDE that there was less loyalty under Reagan, Bush Sr, WJ Clinton, Bush Jr (or BH Obama)?"
gagothesith 2 years ago
@grumpytosnowwhite Pardon me again, but if you don't know something for a fact then how can you assume that "they were not as loyal as these characters were"? If that other person has a "thick skull" then what is someone who says "since I've never heard anything told, I assume not"?
That other person may seem pedantic but from what I can see you are rude and your argument has holes in it.
TripleADalmatians 2 years ago
Actually, I just made a comment, and remarked that no one in Washington is this loyal anymore, and hasn't been for a long time. I was not bringing up some specific argument, and I did not "bring up the topic of loyalty under different presidents" -- that was a throwaway remark, not an argument. Now, please lets just stop this idiocy, OK?
grumpytosnowwhite 2 years ago
I tear up every time I see this unwavering display of dedicated loyalty. Particularly when Leo looks at Toby and he just dips his head so in a strong reaffirmant of his resolve for his boss.
andreghouse 2 years ago 15
@andreghouse ......I agree. The music at that moment help too.
chrissline77 8 months ago
Silly question, I guess, but what did Leo do?
effyleven 2 years ago
Leo is an alcoholic and was once addicted to pain killers.
middyseafort 2 years ago
Oh... is that all?
Hey! Thank you, nonetheless. :-)
effyleven 2 years ago
It also had something to do with being a pill and alcohol addict while also holding the position of Secretary of Labor.
hjpop 2 years ago 2
I love how Margret nods behind him, she must know too, I mean she's worked with Leo since forever so it would make sense.
GirlwithSwordandBow 3 years ago 3
No loyalty like this anymore....
bpeter3196 3 years ago 2
Yes there is. It's just been a while since we've seen it. Or it's been so long that we've seen atmospheres where it can't exist.
jalindquist 2 years ago 3
Name one person or event where there's been this much loyalty. Libby maybe after all he went to prison to protect Chaney & Rove. BTW I happen to like chaney even if he was bad vp so I aint bashing him nor does he or libby deserve to be bashed. Running a country is hard yet they get no slack. Democrats sure arent this loyal look how they treated Lieberman for going against the cult leader.
bpeter3196 2 years ago
JALINDQUIST is right.
1 Reagan ruling out a pardon for Oliver North and Bush Jr refusing to grant one to Lewis "Scooter" Libby were the exceptions.
2 And if those Presidents had decided otherwise, the other Party would have bashed them for irresponsibility, abuse, etc.
gagothesith 2 years ago
wat an amazing team and friendship
PHANTOM1OF1OPERA 3 years ago 2
thanks for posting this
I love CJ at 0:53. It's a look of... kindness
k042491 3 years ago 2