Amazing how many experienced heli pilots commented here. I am not a pilot but I do know there was still a lot of energy in that rota at moment of touchdown. I assume the cyclic pitch was pushed forward creating enough life at the back of the rota to tip the aircraft forward.
The pilot elected to power up again and the bottom line was he recovered control with no damage.
@baconVader still doesn't change the situation. Close the throttle to avoid excess pivot aka something like a dynamic rollover. If he closed it immediately when he was bumped, he would have just settled on the ground. But I suppose any flight when you and the craft come out okay...is fine.
@MrUzminiNu The pilot was flying the helicopter terribly bad...He should have closed the throttle and and landed. He was being too heavy on the controls.
From the video is seen he lands very clean and then happens some nasty unpredicted thing when he was already landed.In front of him he had a small airplane (not a good situation).he stabilized the Robinson fast.he didn't crash anything.
Im not a pilot and i neverever flow a Robinson, what i know they are very picky how your flying it.If the pilot is new to it they have a terrible high accident rate.
Isn't this sufficient reason to install typical cyclic controls in those Robinson series? This whole mishap can happen all over again with another pilot and passenger.
SlittyDrake, from your comment you've obviously never flown an R44 - it is *very* difficult to fly with the hydraulics turned off and that is never done except when practicing or in an emergency. Take it from me, the hydraulics were on.
I was the pilot and figured after all these years I’ll respond:
1. This is the probable cause the CAA found (incident 404 14/5/05), which is a true reflection:
“The passenger that was occupying the left front seat right knee touched the cyclic control column on touched down, pushing it forward, which caused the aircraft to pitch/tilt forward violently. The pilot took immediate corrective action by pulling back on the cyclic control stick, which caused the aircraft to fall back onto its skids."
"The pilot applied power flew a circuit, followed by an uneventful landing.”
2. Yes, the left hand controls had been removed. The passenger was reaching for his bag between his feet and moved forward and as the report said, his right knee pushed the cyclic forward (fairly violently, I must say).
3. He didn’t touch the collective and no, it wasn’t all the way down – if you look closely you’ll see that I hadn’t fully landed yet when it happened.
4. Nobody was overweight, and the weight and balance was within limits at all times – the CAA made me recalculate it with all permutations of actual pax weights and possible fuel situations.
5. It wasn’t dynamic rollover – that happens laterally.
6. The underside of the nose did scrape – you can hear it on the video – but it was just the aluminium covering with a bit of paint off. The owner of the aircraft was quite happy that that was all!
7. Yes, I was lucky in many ways: the main rotor didn’t strike anything forwards or backwards, and “that little plane” in front of me was a Pilatus PC-12 that shouldn’t have been parked there! From all my fixed wing experience, my natural reaction was to go round after a bad landing as opposed to trying to re-establish in a hover, which probably would have made things worse!
8. It was definitely scary stuff and I will forever live with the view of the tarmac in front of my nose, and one of the rear passengers screaming and shouting OMG.
Amazing that someone was there videoing it – it was as bad as it looks.
And finally, thank you for the well dones, and as for the few flamers – you try being in that situation and having to act quickly and unexpectedly, just when you’re concentrating on making a good landing with everyone watching.
If the passenger pressed the cyclic all the way to the front.. the aircraft would surley do that.... and the pilot was just lading... he barley touches the ground, he was still probably bringing the collective down ass the passenger kicks the cyclic.... probably... who knows
Something doesn't make sense. The collective should've been all the way down, and it would be difficult for a passenger to inadvertently move the collective up. The cyclic wouldn't have any authority with a down collective. What gives?
Wow, you're a smart fuck. Why don't you show us the secrets of the universe, asshole?! Here's a clue that might be able to help you along your path of righteousness: THE COLLECTIVE OBVIOUSLY WASN'T DOWN. People are capable of ignoring correct procedures, just the same as you're capable of having down syndrome.
He was just barely touching down when the rocking happened. I'd bet money on it that the collective wasn't full down, since he had just barely made ground contact when the rocking motion occurred.
When I used to be a passenger in any aircraft or expensive vehicle I would take extreme care in moving around it, it seems "passenger" was a little too excited? As a pilot that guy did a good job at recovering with minimal damage.
This taken inside a hanger at an airport... lol :)
donbeckham 4 months ago
Where was this taken plz answer
CarolinaFlyer1 5 months ago
Amazing how many experienced heli pilots commented here. I am not a pilot but I do know there was still a lot of energy in that rota at moment of touchdown. I assume the cyclic pitch was pushed forward creating enough life at the back of the rota to tip the aircraft forward.
The pilot elected to power up again and the bottom line was he recovered control with no damage.
TheSpiritof1969 6 months ago
@baconVader still doesn't change the situation. Close the throttle to avoid excess pivot aka something like a dynamic rollover. If he closed it immediately when he was bumped, he would have just settled on the ground. But I suppose any flight when you and the craft come out okay...is fine.
Ricks550 7 months ago
Nearly lost the tail cone.
Ched747 9 months ago
This shows just how responsive the controls can be in a heilcopter. I've no doubt I would have made the cabin smelly.
benjyboba 9 months ago
Phuuu...the pilod did a good job!
MrUzminiNu 10 months ago
@MrUzminiNu The pilot was flying the helicopter terribly bad...He should have closed the throttle and and landed. He was being too heavy on the controls.
Ricks550 9 months ago
@Ricks550
From the video is seen he lands very clean and then happens some nasty unpredicted thing when he was already landed.In front of him he had a small airplane (not a good situation).he stabilized the Robinson fast.he didn't crash anything.
Im not a pilot and i neverever flow a Robinson, what i know they are very picky how your flying it.If the pilot is new to it they have a terrible high accident rate.
MrUzminiNu 9 months ago
wow yea and i thought i was a clutz
TRAPBOULTERNAS 10 months ago
Isn't this sufficient reason to install typical cyclic controls in those Robinson series? This whole mishap can happen all over again with another pilot and passenger.
Afrocanuk 1 year ago
SlittyDrake, from your comment you've obviously never flown an R44 - it is *very* difficult to fly with the hydraulics turned off and that is never done except when practicing or in an emergency. Take it from me, the hydraulics were on.
r44flier 1 year ago
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r44flier 1 year ago
He should of had the hydraulics on the hydraulics make a better diffrence
SlittyDrake 1 year ago
whew
MetaView7 1 year ago
shit son
xzero0100 1 year ago
Well then r44flier, bravo! Thanks for sharing that with us
Champ7ACMan 1 year ago
I was the pilot and figured after all these years I’ll respond:
1. This is the probable cause the CAA found (incident 404 14/5/05), which is a true reflection:
“The passenger that was occupying the left front seat right knee touched the cyclic control column on touched down, pushing it forward, which caused the aircraft to pitch/tilt forward violently. The pilot took immediate corrective action by pulling back on the cyclic control stick, which caused the aircraft to fall back onto its skids."
r44flier 1 year ago
@r44flier great recovery...you cant account for passenger stupidity even when they're told what not to do...
REDmastMEDIA 4 months ago
Quote continued:
"The pilot applied power flew a circuit, followed by an uneventful landing.”
2. Yes, the left hand controls had been removed. The passenger was reaching for his bag between his feet and moved forward and as the report said, his right knee pushed the cyclic forward (fairly violently, I must say).
3. He didn’t touch the collective and no, it wasn’t all the way down – if you look closely you’ll see that I hadn’t fully landed yet when it happened.
r44flier 1 year ago
4. Nobody was overweight, and the weight and balance was within limits at all times – the CAA made me recalculate it with all permutations of actual pax weights and possible fuel situations.
5. It wasn’t dynamic rollover – that happens laterally.
6. The underside of the nose did scrape – you can hear it on the video – but it was just the aluminium covering with a bit of paint off. The owner of the aircraft was quite happy that that was all!
r44flier 1 year ago
7. Yes, I was lucky in many ways: the main rotor didn’t strike anything forwards or backwards, and “that little plane” in front of me was a Pilatus PC-12 that shouldn’t have been parked there! From all my fixed wing experience, my natural reaction was to go round after a bad landing as opposed to trying to re-establish in a hover, which probably would have made things worse!
r44flier 1 year ago
8. It was definitely scary stuff and I will forever live with the view of the tarmac in front of my nose, and one of the rear passengers screaming and shouting OMG.
Amazing that someone was there videoing it – it was as bad as it looks.
And finally, thank you for the well dones, and as for the few flamers – you try being in that situation and having to act quickly and unexpectedly, just when you’re concentrating on making a good landing with everyone watching.
r44flier 1 year ago 5
I wonder if he had the controls installed on the left side.
Leewenhooke 1 year ago
If the passenger pressed the cyclic all the way to the front.. the aircraft would surley do that.... and the pilot was just lading... he barley touches the ground, he was still probably bringing the collective down ass the passenger kicks the cyclic.... probably... who knows
crferrara 1 year ago
...Need more practice operating that cyclic.
Afrocanuk 2 years ago
damn he almost hits that little plane
carlitos318 2 years ago
What a Twat!
rickyo007 2 years ago
If God wanted people to fly in helicopters, he would not have invented the G-4
golfer6716 2 years ago
Think a change of underware was needed shortly after this....
sylvzave 2 years ago 2
@sylvzave no, I think a change of underWEAR is needed.
crazy4honda 1 year ago
Something doesn't make sense. The collective should've been all the way down, and it would be difficult for a passenger to inadvertently move the collective up. The cyclic wouldn't have any authority with a down collective. What gives?
tamboril 2 years ago
Wow, you're a smart fuck. Why don't you show us the secrets of the universe, asshole?! Here's a clue that might be able to help you along your path of righteousness: THE COLLECTIVE OBVIOUSLY WASN'T DOWN. People are capable of ignoring correct procedures, just the same as you're capable of having down syndrome.
b1cc2 2 years ago
He was just barely touching down when the rocking happened. I'd bet money on it that the collective wasn't full down, since he had just barely made ground contact when the rocking motion occurred.
Kirov686 2 years ago
Doesn't look like he had the collective all of the way down yet..
motokid032 2 years ago
This is scary stuff. The pilot is so lucky he didn't hit the MR blades on the pavement in front of him or chop off the tailcone when he rocked back.
marialanger 2 years ago
could have been expensive !
MetaView7 2 years ago
Excelent recovery.
This is exactly why Robinson has the controls removed from the pax side if they are not a pilot.
170Pilot 2 years ago
wtf.. is this guy smoking crack??
dcking22 2 years ago
When I used to be a passenger in any aircraft or expensive vehicle I would take extreme care in moving around it, it seems "passenger" was a little too excited? As a pilot that guy did a good job at recovering with minimal damage.
Kuhne4 3 years ago
wow...just get a moller 200...they are better.
dgenerationxman 3 years ago
pilot over weight?
Billy312008 3 years ago
I believe dynamic rollovers happen laterally. Nice nose grind!
rotorgulf 4 years ago
yeah that would be a little freaky...
KI4SXS 4 years ago
i believe dynamic rollover happens laterally. nice nose grind!
rotorgulf 4 years ago
Yep. Pivot point, rolling motion and exceeding the critical angle. Was almost really ugly.
patmagroin20 4 years ago
Dynamic rollover...
PacketStorm666 4 years ago