Specter took for granted that they had a machismo on the media and the American people at the time. No need for real detail here, If the Government pronounces it, the American people will buy it.. The turning point in America, which Jack Kennedy started, didn't die with his death, and the American people balked and hasn't bought it.
What I find interesting is that Robert "Tosh" Plumlee, who was a CIA pilot, admits that he flew Johnny Roselli into Dallas on the morning of 11/22/63 on a private MATS (Military Air Transport Service) flight. One of the highest members of the mafia being flown into Dallas on a private military flight the morning of the assassination? Smells like conspiracy spirit to me.
What people don't understand is that Kennedy's suit jacket was bunched up on his back. He was waving at people, and his jacket bunched up above his shoulders.
It's not like Kennedy was sitting like dummy without moving and along with his movings...so did his clothes...
I think the more curious questions should be about Oswald.
Why would an assassin leave his rifle behind with all of his prints all over the rifle.
@DannyBruiz no,you don't get the last word,JFK wasn't laying down in the back seat when the neck wound and back wound happened,maybe this whole JFK conspiracy is way too deep for you!
What I said was that his body was not sitting straight up like a dummy.
All people move around, and sometimes they have to readjust their jacket, because it can ride up...
Thus, it is possible that his jacket rode up while he was in a sitting position, and as many people do, they will lean forward to become more comfortable.
Thus, the explanation that his jacket was bunched up when the bullet struck...thus the bullet alignmnt
@DannyBruiz who gives a shit about his jacket>??? BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
that';s the dumbest shit I have ever heard!!! The autopsy photo wasn't taken with his clothes on!!! they were burned so they could change the hole to line up with the magic bullet bullshit story!!
In the autopsy, he was wearing all of his clothes. Than they took his clothes off and did another autopsy.....your are surely a dweeb. Actually... I think you're stupid. I'm gonna block you dude...or girl or what ever the hell you are. One thing's for sure, you are surely out of touch with reality.
Where'd you get your facts that they burned his clothes? WOW!
the bullit trajectory is a bit confusing here because the car was driving downhill so the shooter was not at ground level anyhow. The further I watch this case the more I feel shots where being fired from the daltex building. Maybe second or third floor or roof. Maybe two or three gunmen, maybe signaled by the umbrella man...I do not think this will ever be solved, but I liked Kens167 videos of calculations about the gunshots in relation to their positions, and that 3d computer model video.
Interesting, LBJ, Russell and Connolly himself KNEW that Connlly had by hit by a separate bullet from any that hit JFK. Right there, the Warren Commission is invalidated.
many people don't know that only allen dulles, earl warren, gerald ford, and john mccloy believed the sbt, russel, boggs, and cooper all disbelieved it, and it was hale boggs, not russel long, that instigated the jim garrison investigation... and what happened to hale boggs anyway?... well, he said some inflammatory things about hoover and he disappeared
LBJ hired me, a circus clown and master of disguises. I impersonated a Dallas motorcycle cop and did the head shot through a hole in the wooden fence next to the grassy knoll, then dissappeared, living in Argentina with Dr. Mengela and a cloned Hitler boy who lost his virginity to my teenage Mexican wife. I have only recently returned to the USA to plan 911 for Bush. Atta was a real card with us loving Thai strippers in a South Beach club.
I am just an 11 yr. old curious kid from Gettysburg. I find it so alarming that we can come up with conclusive DNA evidence to convict a person of murder or rape based on a "HAIR FOLICLE" but cannot come up with the true identity of the killer involved with the Kennedy assassination! Even with all of the forensic evidence and the videos and DNA , ballistic evidence we still are in debate over this case. Unless our Gov't botched this investigation on purpose. They can't be that incompitent!
Hoover spent more time trimming his nails then he did on looking into this case! The Whitehouse botched this case on pupose. We had less intell and evidence not to mention Forensic Science Technologies when Lincoln was murdered. Our Government went all out to find Lincoln's killer and spared no expense in doing so! JFK got the same treatment as a family disposing of its pet goldfish. He was " FLUSHED DOWN THE TOILET"!!! I may only be 11 yrs. old but i could have done a better job investigating!
@007antimatter the government doesn't want the truth to be told,because the government killed JFK..Even LBJ's girlfriend claims LBJ told her that Dallas oilmen and the CIA killed him,and LBJ helped in the cover up so he could be president.Operation 40,CIA,MOB,Dallas Police,LBJ,Dulles,Hoover,David Atlee Phillips,Nixon,GHW Bush,James Files,Sarti,Nicoletti,FBI etc. were all in on the murder,framing and cover up!
The distance between the back wound and the neck wound is so short that any disparity, even as little as a half-inch is going to make a HUGE difference in the angle. CE903 is a photograph that clearly shows that the downward trajectory is consistent with the known entry and exit wounds.
Alternative explanations to the Single Bullet Theory are even MORE "magical" and fall appropriate by virtue of their sheer nonsense and implausibility.
"6.5 mm FMJ bullets hitting at 2000 fps DO NOT leave small 3-5 mm exits on the victim's throat, and only minor lacerations of the trachea, and anyone telling you "
Man would you listen to that guy lie !
Dr. Lattimers tests proved that supported skin will leave a exit wound as small as a entrance wound (WITH PHOTO's) ..... JFK neck collar and tie stopped the neck wound from being larger .
Kennedy & Lincoln
A Medical & Ballistic's Comparisons Of Their Assassinations
Go to the video titled, Texas School Book Depository Employees - Part 3
At the 2:56 minute mark, you will see & hear James Jarman, Jr... He is the man who assassinated President Kennedy.
The two previous guys shown, Norman & Williams were co-conspirators. Along with Charles Douglas Givens (Not shown)...
Do an "MSN" search with the key words, James Jarman, Jr., Assassin, for the entire story... The 8th site listed, "The John F" is the most comprehensive...
If a separate bullet hit Connally then doesn't anybody find it highly coincidental that the wounds do line-up in such a way that a reasonable argument can be made that a single bullet did all the damage? If Connally was truly hit by a separate bullet, then those conspirators sure got awfully lucky that it happened as it did to even allow the Single Bullet Theory to be remotely workable.
And if it WAS a separate bullet - where did that bullet go? It must have magically disappeared!
In chapters 11 through 12c of my website I look at the bullet trajectories in greater detail than one will find elsewhere, and demonstrate that the SBT does not align perfectly as claimed.
Let's say, just for the sake of argument, that this flat trajectory, as purported in this video were true. Let's say that's what really happened.
Then where did that bullet go after it exited Kennedy's neck? Did it miss Connally? If so, did it hit SS Agent Kellerman? Did it something in the limousine? Did it skip over the front window of the limousine?
1. There was no bullet lodged in Kennedy's upper body. In fact, x-rays revealed only metallic flakes in Kennedy's skull from the disintegrated bullet which struck his head.
2. It is impossible to imagine how a bullet, traveling over 2000 fps (supersonic) could hit only soft tissue and stop.
3. The throat wound was the obvious exit point for the bullet that entered high on Kennedy's back. If it was NOT the exit - then what was it? Certainly he did not have 2 entry wounds.
How do we know the speed of the projectile creating the back wound?
And why is the throat wound OBVIOUSLY the exit for the bullet striking JFK in the back?
You've accepted assumptions you should not accept that lead you in an incorrect direction, IMO.
FWIW, 6.5 mm FMJ bullets hitting backs at 2000 fps DO NOT leave small 3-5 mm exits on the victim's throat, and only minor lacerations of the trachea, and anyone telling you otherwise has their fingers crossed behind their back..
Because there was no bullet found lodged in Kennedy's body? Secondly, it hit only soft tissue which provides insufficient resistance to stop a bullet. Finally, there is compelling evidence that a disturbed bullet struck Connally. Where could that bullet possibly have come from if not transiting Kennedy's body?
Connally's doctor was convinced the bullet striking Connally did not first hit Kennedy. The whole argument that the bullet was traveling sideways is based upon a deliberate misreading of Shaw's statements and measurements. He said the wound was 1.5 cm and that he cut around it creating a 3 cm wound. And yet LNs--starting with Lattimer and Baden--continue to lie and state the wound was 3 cm--the length of an M/C bullet traveling sideways.
research The 488th Military Intelligence Unit and see the connection to the Dallas Police including Deputy Chief George Lumpkin-Lt Col George Whitmeyer-Jack Crichton-George HW Bush-David H Byrd-Clint Murchison-J Edgar Hoover.There were 50 Dallas Policie Officers in the 488th.
Truer words were never spoken! The audience for the conspiracy theorists are those who have never seriously accessed any of the evidence and testimony and probably never will. Consequently, these sensationalists can just about get away with anything because they rely on the fact that nobody will probably check. And those that DO check are too few in number and are simply drowned out by the persistent whining of the conspiracy community - which tends to be more vocal.
Don't expect Pat Speer to present evidence fairly , his agenda is conspiracy 4 purposes of self aggrandizement . His lifes vocation(music industry)prior 2 donning his tin foil hat & after his supposed debunking of Dale Myers 'Forensic Animation' , Pat was handed his head on a platter after Myers exposed Speers total lack of knowledge regarding computers , forensics & the JFK Assan. in a searing post that had Pat trying 2 keyboard pecker in a standing position for 2 mo.'s afterwards.
it was a conspiracy,no doubt about it,you have your own agenda cd,the evidence is thier for all to see,maybe your blind,all i gte from you is "ive been into this for 40 years"so what,or my father worked on this,so what.the evidence is the same today as it was then,only difference is that now we have better equipment to check it out,and it still says it was a massive conspiracy,some of the players have spoken,some have been silenced,but it still dont change the facts,i knew this long before utube
"the top snipers I know say this is because they cannot do it"
What fantasy top snipers in the world would that be ? Name them ? Sounds like BS , look junior I've been studying this for 35 years and you don't succeed in bullshiting me in the slightest . LHO for all intents & purpose's shot expert in the Marine Corp from the bench rest position similar to Dealey Plaza AND AT HALF THE DISTANCE OF THE 200 YARDS THAT WAS REQUIRED IN THE MARINE RIFLE RANGE ! GET INFORMED !
"No 1 was ever able 2 make the bullet follow the path that WC claimed. It has never been done 2 this day"
What are you stewpid or sumptin ?I already referenced where it HAS BEEN DONE , QUIT FLAPPING YOUR E-LIPS AND SEE : The Secret KGB JFK Assassination Files . Guess what ? The alignment works w/the mock ups in the limo ! It's a straight line thru both men using laser technology !
"U don't understand that I'm referring 2 another show not this video"
I know all the shows & this is the only one that attempts to recreate the bullets conditioin . Name the other show ?
"It has never been done to this day ... Then do it."
Haaaaaaa ! This right here shows you how illogical & untenable your position is . READ MY LIPS ! : NO 2 GUN SHOT WOUNDINGS CAN BE DUPLICATED EXACTELY ,THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF EXPERIMENTING TO COME AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE TO PROVE A THEORY !
A hilarious (to me) attempt to recreate the "shot to back exiting the throat" theory using snipers and a dummy was made for a debunking conspiracy special.
Cameras were placed at every angle for the experiment. They were never able to do it. So they simply edited out the front camera shot and announced that they had proven their point. The truth is that the front camera showed the bullet blasting through the CHEST instead of the neck. The magic bullet path fails in real life experiments.
"A hilarious attempt to recreate the "shot to back exiting the throat" theory"
Are you perhaps retarded or something ? The whole point of the experiment was to prove what damage was done to the bullet and they never made claims that the trajectory was going to be precisely like Dealey Plaza . If you want a straight line thru both men using laser technology get : The Secret KGB JFK Assassination Files . Guess what ? The alignment works w/the mock ups in the limo . A real no brainer .
Don't expect Pat Speer to present evidence fairly , his agenda is conspiracy for purposes of self aggrandizement . His lifes vocation(music industry)prior to donning his tin foil hat & after his supposed debunking of Dale Myers 'Forensic Animation' , Pat was handed his head on a platter after Myers exposed Speers total lack of knowledge regarding computers , forensic's & the JFK Assassin. in a searing post that had Pat trying to keyboard pecker in a standing position for 2 mo.'s afterwards .
cdddraftsman: You seem not to understand that I'm referring to another show and not this video.
The show I refer to did indeed attempt to recreate the "magic bullet" shot using a duplicate rifle and other rifles. No one was ever able to make the bullet follow the path that the WC claimed. It has never been done to this day and the top snipers I know say this is because they cannot do it.
Think it can be done? Then do it. You may look as funny as the poor snipers did, however.
The Single Bullet Myth is a fraud based upon drawings and conjecture, not X-Rays, photos, or the FBI's report. Arlen Specter is confronted with the facts here...
watch?v=aS3zrdkoCdY
No SBT, no Lone Nut gunman. Ooops!
Dale Myers bullshit propoganda cartoon is as valid for scientific evidence as Elmer Fudd is valid for rabbit hunting, and Popeye is for the health benefits of spinach. He is exposed as the lying coward he is here:
The entire bandwidth of YouTube could be filled with the boldfaced lies and disinformation the degenerate piece of shit cddraftsman has been caught in. That said, now the whole world is having a good belly laugh at what a pathetic bigot and sociopath he is. IT'S OFFICIAL!
google "tom lowery jfk"
Watch:
watch?v=0GDHJGW5o9U
The "YouTube Officials" (aka: HIS) attempt to censor this HAS FAILED. How does that shitburger taste Cap'n kielbasa cockmunch? Bon appetite!
The whole point of the experiment was to prove what damage was done to the bullet in relationship to it's origin point . If a bullet sustains more damage closer to the point of were it was fired the more damage can be expected it to receive . ie. If it broke 2 ribs v just 1 rib first (Going faster) it can be expected to look just as it does in the program .
Dr. Lattimers experiments proved that if CE-399 had not gone through JFK and been slowed , first , it would of had enough force or velocity , put it into any terms you like , it would of broke his femur .
Read Kennedy & Lincoln pg. 269
'Leg bone would of shattered if bullet had not slowed and tumbled from transversing Presidents neck' !
According to a JAMA study at a level 1 trauma center. The study, which looked at single, perforating (exiting) gunshot wounds & multiple gunshot wounds, found that trauma specialists made errors in 52% of the cases examined .
I know. I meant that the bullet in the documentary hit "Connally" and broke two ribs. CE399 broke one rib of Connally according to the SBT. The documentary reveals that a bullet which hit first JFK began to tumble and broke TWO ribs of the mock Connally. The only logical CONCLUSION is that the bullet which hit Connally did NOT hit anybody before him, started NOT to tumble and therefore broke only one rib instead of hitting "JFK" first, tumbling and breaking two ribs like in the test. Checkmate!
There is no reason to believe the tests of Dr. Lattimer. The WC tests were more realistic and proofed that the Dallas doctors opinion was absolutely correct. And this documentary test didn´t show evidence for the SBT. They had only mock bodies (without spines, shoulder blades, no connection between "Connallys" ribs and the sternum) and the bullet failed to hit Connallys wrist and thigh but it showed much more damage when it was found than CE399. That is the best evidence against the SBT.
There is every reason to believe the tests of Dr. Lattimer. The WC tests were less realistic and proved that the Dallas doctors opinion was absolutely wrong. And this documentary test showed evidence for the SBT. They had mock bodies and the bullet failed to hit Connallys wrist and thigh but it did hit t and break two ribs which showed much more damage when it was found than CE399 which proved the SBT was correct because more damahe closer to the point of origination of the shot is important .
The Dallas doctors said the neck wound must be an entry wound because it was so small and not punched out. The WC tests proofed that an exit wound is big (1-1.3 cm) and punched out. This documentary shows us that a bullet which entered JFKs back exited on his CHEST not his NECK and the bullet which hit Connally hit two ribs because it was tumbling unlike CE399 which supposedly destroyed only one rib. This documentary destroyed the tumbling bullet myth. I really like this SBT documentary ;)
I know the documentary about the SBT. There are several problems about it. When you are interested look at Pat Speers website: Chapter 12b. An example: "Since their "magic bullet," after traversing SIMULATED torsos of both Kennedy and Connally, failed to explode the simulated wrist to the extent Connally's was damaged and actually bounced off the simulated thigh, they had to look for it in the surrounding brush. They found a CLEARLY DEFORMED bullet several yards to the right of the torsos"
according to a study at a level 1 trauma center. The study, which looked at single, perforating (exiting) gunshot wounds & multiple gunshot wounds, found that trauma specialists made errors in 52% of the cases examined .
"Rather believe the experience of dozens of doctors and the wound ballistic tests of the WC"
Ya you'd rather believe them because they ran the wrong tests by firing directly into bones . That's not what happened and you know it ! JFK : Beyond the Magic Bullet :
They didn´t react at the same time. Lone gunman theorist claim JFK and JBC were hit at Z223/224. But JFK reacts much earlier to this frames. The WC said that JFK was hit at Z210. The HSCA said JFK was hit at Z190. The wound in JFKs throat was never a exit point of a 6.5MC bullet. The WC wound ballistic tests proofed this by creating much bigger exit wound on a mock neck. Who in the world would believe your arguments? You didn´t even know how to discuss without defamations!
BS . You don't even have to see reaction times , JFK had a circumferencial bruise sround back entry hole , the tip of his lung was bruised , the bullet was not in JFK at autopsy and no damage was done to the interior of limo . The bullet had to hit JBC .
The doctors in Bathesta speculated that the bullet which hit JFK in the back fell out. There is a lot of evidence that the back wound has no exit point. Look at youtube: "JFK Assassination, FBI Agent on Autopsy". Your arguments clearly show that you can´t prove that JFK and JBC were hit at the same time. So you are using this kind of pseudo arguments. You learned a lot from Bugliosi.
"speculated that the bullet which hit JFK in the back fell out"
While a bullet hit him in the throat and disappeared ? That's not only unrealistic that stewpid ! High speed bullets don't penetrate a short distance and then fall out unless you read about it in a conspiracy book were it's vital to pull off the con-job .
Who's bullshitting who ?
You just broke the principle of parsimony or Okcums's razor , DON'T ADD UN-NECESSARY PLURALITY'S !
Maybe they were removed in a pre-autopsy examination. The government (LBJ) hold back a lot of evidence. And some evidence was destroyed. Fact is that the doctors examined the back and concluded in the night of the autopsy that it has no exit point. Several witnesses, including two FBI agents, confirmed this fact. On the other the WC tests proofed that an exit wound of a MC bullet was 1 cm to 1.3 cm. The hole in JFK throat was 3-5 mm.
The problem is that some of the WC members didn´t even believe the SBT and they had all the evidence. LBJ, Hoover, the Dallas doctors and not even the Bathesta doctors believed this theory. Nobody took this theory serious but they had to conclude that this theory works because no SBT no lone assassin. And if these guys didn´t believe the SBT why shall I believe in it? Thats the point and you did not unterstand this.
You r such a incredible bad bs'ing asshole . The 2 men react @ the same time , the bullet is on a downward tragectory so if it doesn't hit JBC it will have to hit the limo . No damage except JBC's wounds , simple deduction CE-399 went on to hit JBC . No other possible explanation that doesn't involve extra-ordinary circumstances to come into play . AND IT DOESN'T TAKE A FUCKING ROCKET SCIENTIST TO FIGURE IT OUT EITHER !
And didn´t claim the neck wound was a wound of entry. I said that it never was an exit point of an 6.5 mm MC bullet. It could be an entry wound or the exit point of a ricochet fragment of the bullet which hit the head. If it was an entry wound of a shot from the Grassy Knoll it stuck in the throat as some of the Dallas doctors claimed.
The historian must narrow the field of possibilities. The more possibilities he eliminates, the more likely the developing story describes the events as they actually happened. The scenarios you describe have all been eliminated, in my view, by the ballistic match of CE399 to the exclusion of all other rifles.
"If it was an entry wound of a shot from the Grassy Knoll it stuck in the throat as some of the Dallas doctors claimed"
From primary sources that day the Dr.'s speculated it was a fragment from the headshot (Later disproved at autopsy) and not a frontal wound . One nurse speculated that , but the JAMA study proved ER personal got entry & exit wound wrong over 50% of the time .
This is simply wrong. Dr. Perry stated that there was a entry wound in the neck. He did not mentioned that there was a speculation about a head shot fragment. By the way: It much more realistic that this tiny wound was caused by a head shot fragment than a whole MC bullet. The autopsy doctors did not dissect the wound. So there is simply no proof for this claim.
What Conspiracy books usually omit is the fact that the dr.'s who actually saw the wound speculated that it was an exit wound from a fragment from the head shot. They also imply that ER personnel can easily tell whether a wound is an entrance wound or an exit wound. (See McAdam's Site)This essay consists of 2 parts. The 1st documents the speculations of the drs about the wound & the 2nd is a passage from the JAMA describing a careful study of the ability of ER personnel .
It is true that some of the Dallas doctors did speculate that the throat wound was caused by a fragment from the head shot. But on the day of the assassination nobody even assumed that it could be an exit wound. Dr. Perry was so certain that he said JFK was looking backwards when the bullet hit him in the throat. None of the doctor´s believed it could be an exit wound from a WHOLE bullet.
Dr. Perry was so certain it was an entrance wound, that when he was asked how a bullet fired from behind could have struck Kennedy in the throat, he opined that Kennedy had turned around shortly before the missile struck. I was not speculating. I only told you the facts.
Mr. Specter: Was the wound in the neck consistent with being either an entry or exit wound, in your opinion?
Dr. Carrico: Yes.
So what have the buffs been doing with this testimony? They have been *suppressing* the doctors' speculation that the throat wound was the exit wound of a fragment, and *pushing* the drs speculation that the wound was a entrance wound. The buffs put the former speculation down the Memory Hole ,if ppl knew about it, they might understand how uncertain the were .
according to a study at a level 1 trauma center. The study, which looked at single, perforating (exiting) gunshot wounds & multiple gunshot wounds, found that trauma specialists made errors in 52%.
I can clearly see that you didn´t have any experience with primary sources. Dr. Carrico said this months after the day of assassination. That is not a primary source. It´s a testimony, a secondary source! On 22.11.63 Dr. Perry never even mentioned before the media that it could be an exit wound of a fragment or that they speculated about this assumption. He only told them that it was an entrance wound and he was very certain. That´s the primary source on the day of the assassination.
BTW : It much more realistic that this tiny wound was caused by a head shot fragment than a whole MC bullet"
No it isn't . Dr. Lattimer proved by expeimentation that supported skin (Shirt & Tie) will leave a exit wound as small or smaller than a entrance wound . If we left it up to CTer's to experiment ....well none have even bought a similar rifle yet :(
Dr. Latimmer? I rather believe the experience of dozens of doctors and the wound ballistic tests of the WC than this crook with his doubtfull "experiments". One of the doctors who saw the wound said that is was slightly above the tie knot. So the Lattimer test is invalid.
If you don´t believe a theory you normally try to figure out what has really happened. And that´s the problem. They never tried to figure out what has happened. They had to conclude that LHO acted alone so they were forced to believe the SBT. No SBT, no lone nut theory.
I hope you don't think that you can take a conversation before 1 word was written in a report & think *they* meant conspiracy ? Nope Nada Nyet!
* Russell thought Warren was too liberal.
** LBJ went out of his way the have a commission constituted w/ members who's political affiliations were not only different, but who's philosophy's were different also. Hence assuring that whatever was agreed upon would of been born through rigorous debate. Desenters only attended 25% of WC meetings
You can stop tour fake grieving for that Irish Gangsta . he was a weak politician that never wrote any of his speeches and couldn't hold a candle to a president the likes of Teddy Roosevelt !
apparently the politicians involved with this assassination did not think nor care of the family members left behind to possibly face the wrongs of their elders. english thinking, as they love their dogs and hate their children.
You can stop tour fake grieving for that Irish Gangsta . he was a weak politician that never wrote any of his speeches and couldn't hold a candle to a president the likes of Teddy Roosevelt !
You can´t even discuss. But I give you a change. How did you explain the conversation between Johnson and Russel or the fake drawing by Specter or the fact that Ford changed the description of the back wound.
LOL,CD you still on here buddy?con-artists?no little one that would be the cia run by bush sr. who has covered up this case for 45 years!Bush SR. needs to be questioned about his involvement under oath.Explain away?Logical?rational? Pal, you have been on these jfk sites spreading disinformation and insulting every person who actually (gasps) has doubts.Are we not allowed to question ANYTHING anymore?
"Are we not allowed to question ANYTHING anymore?"
I'll discuss anything you want . But when a logical and rational explanation is given to explain away the CT lie and construct , enough is enough , time to move on to . Far too many people have been hawking this investigation , doing a fine job , no extra guns found that were smoking either . Conspiracy needs burying before the rotting corpse spreads more diseased thoughts . Ploink on your dotty head fool ! .
I hope you don't think that you can take a conversation before 1 word was written in a report & think *they* meant conspiracy ? Nope Nada Nyet!
* Russell thought Warren was too liberal.
** LBJ went out of his way the have a commission constituted w/ members who's political affiliations were not only different, but who's philosophy's were different also. Hence assuring that whatever was agreed upon would of been born through rigorous debate. Desenters only attended 25% of WC meetings
LMAO,WRONG CD, LBJ:''All you have to do is approve a hoover report''.How's THAT for proof(ploink) is right you fucking child.What a FRAUD the WR was/and is and what a joke your theory IS,now run along son.(clears throat)..so CD..anytime your ready explaining WHY bush lied?Or are you gonna squish away as usual so you can show off your insecurity by bullying and insulting morons who say ''jackie did it'' ''no it was the driver''(scoffs) get lost you transparent weasel
I'll discuss anything you want . But when a logical and rational explanation is given to explain away the CT lie and construct , enough is enough , time to move on to greener hoaxing fields . Far too many people have been hawking this investigation , doing a fine job with out con-artists such as youself burying thia aupposed conspiracy under layers and layers of bogus hot aired bunk !
Try the Rocketfeller Cor, Where the NSA and CIA take there orders from Corperate America, Just like every pres since Harry Trueman and JFK who they Murdered. Ever notice its been war after war, Iran Contra? CIA largest Drug Dealers on the planet, Its all accademic and on the web
"Try the Rocketfeller Cor, Where the NSA and CIA Blah Blah Blah Blah"
Get a theory together aho . That's why you've been marginalised the past 44 years , NO COUNTER THEORY THAT'S PLAUSIBLE ! 68 different assassins & helpers = IMPOSSIBE ! You are defeated by common sense alone .
NO FIRST OFF HE'S HUMAN AND HE CAN MAKE MISTAKES !>> CDD
Ah but you don't give CT's the same latitude--you pounce on any mistake on their part in attemping to discredit them. You can dish it out, but you can't take it.
"How could Mr. Crack Shot even miss @ all?>>Basboll
OR MAYBE HE WAS A LITTLE RUSTY AFTER NOT HAVING FIRED A RIFLE IN AWHILE LIKE YOU ALWAYS POINT OUT .... >>CDD
You agree with me...wonders never cease!
CDD you originally posted the 88 yards for the last shot was well within LHO's range for distance, so that's why it's unlikely he would miss the closest shot. Did the rust wear off for the next 2 farther shots? His skills suddenly return?
NO FIRST OFF HE'S HUMAN AND HE CAN MAKE MISTAKES ! >>CDD
Ah but you don't grant CT's the same latitude. You look for any and every inconsistency in their words or positions to try and destroy their credibility. You can dish it out, but you can't take it.
GROW UP IDIOT ! >>CDD
Grow up? Uh, I'm not the one screaming at or insulting people.
So if JFK was killed by a Marxist LHO because JFK threatened Cuba , his next Utopian stop point and RFK was killed by SBS because RFK stood in the way of his return to Palestine where does that leave your dotty headed pin prick conspiracy at ? Just curious .
So if JFK was killed by a Marxist LHO because JFK threatened Cuba , his next Utopian stop point and RFK was killed by SBS because RFK stood in the way of his return to Palestine where does that leave your dotty headed pin prick conspiracy at ? Just curious .
So if JFK was killed by a Marxist LHO because JFK threatened Cuba , his next Utopian stop point and RFK was killed by SBS because RFK stood in the way of his return to Palestine where does that leave your dotty headed pin prick conspiracy at ? Just curious .
Frazier also shot bullets directly into cadaver bones to simulate CE-399 WITH A FULL LOAD 160 GRAIN CHARGE ! Hahahaha !That was a boner no-brainer move .>.CDD
The same Frazier you quoted to claim LHO's MC was capable of firing the shots...first he's credible, then he's a joke...great work.
I still don't see what your pretencious video is supposedly proving . Without JFK's unique anatomy in front of them or you , YOU HAVE PROVED NOTHING ! Except to parade the non-expertise of one Pat Speer before a audience who is 'Clueless in Dalls' to judge who's less accurate ? The WC Or You ? I say it's you because of your appalling lack of common sense by using drawings that are not to scale . Only one of many foul ups your act here contains .
"he trained on a M-1, semi-auto not a bolt action MC, hit his top scores yrs before DP, had no shooting range practice before DP & did something that most expert shots w/ better skills & practice rounds couldn't do"
Ya he hit a live president one time in the head , out of three try's at half the distance he trained in the Marine Corp. in which he shot expert from the bench rest position in . In short no problemo : Case Closed !
"CE399 didn't have any particles of clothing from JFK or JBC"
Examining through a microscope is worthless . It would take a 'Scanning Electron Microscope' to find particles like that . Frazier also shot bullets directly into cadaver bones to simulate CE-399 WITH A FULL LOAD 160 GRAIN CHARGE ! Hahahaha !That was a boner no-brainer move . He should of used a downloaded bullet because it had already lost 50% of it's velocity / speed before it hit JBC's wrist bone because it went thru JFK 1st.
This also the same Robert Frazier who said, after examining CE399, that it didn't have any microscopic particles of clothing from JFK or JBC, which it would have if it had actually gone thru them. :-)
Your problem is that you'll have 2 find a better excuse than calling LHO mr. maggie's drawers , because he shot expert in the Marine Corp. , >>CDD
HO-HUM...I've already been over this...he trained on a superior M-1, semi-automatic, not a bolt action MC, hit his top scores years before DP, had no shooting range practice before DP, and did something that most expert shots with better skills and practice rounds couldn't do. Enough is enough.
Frazier 4 the WC commented after testing LHO's rifle that it was capable of making DP shots w/ no problem . Your problem is that you'll have 2 find a better excuse than calling LHO mr. maggie's drawers , because he shot expert in the Marine Corp. , from the bench rest position , @ twice the distance of DP , something u try hard 2 have a convenient memory lapse about . BTW that description fits u better in your attempts at providing LHO a alibi .
If you look at the report most had bolt jambing problems but that's not the point>>
It certainly is--one of the problems with the LN scenario is you had Mr. Maggie's Drawers firing a crappy rifle that WAS likely to jam and he had apparantly nothing but dry firing under a poncho for practice. Close the shooting ranges and hand out the pnochos...maybe LHO's technique will be used from now on to train marine snipers--sure saves on bullets!
"one of the problems w/ the LN scenario is u had ....firing a crappy rifle that WAS likely to jam"
Yet if offered a substancial amount would blabber mouth basboll sit in a limo on a live firing exercise of LHO's rifle to see if .... basboll ? Where did basboll go to ? :-(
"because LHO didn't have multiple tries or warm-up shots?"
He didn't need them because per Marina he spent hours dry firing his weapon under a poncho to build up his dexterity with his weapon and still managed two miss hitting JFK 2 out of 3 shots ! Case Closed !
Pt. 2: AGAIN, I thought the DP scenario was supposed to be so EASY for a crack shot, according to you. Why then, did 10 out of 12 experts miss it on their first try, which is relevant because LHO didn't have multiple tries or warm-up shots?
If you look at the report most had bolt jambing problems but that's not the point . The point is that it was very possible that LHO could of done it on his first try .... something you remain in denial of because your 'Red Romeo' got caught 'Red Handed' and you can't exonerated him because we've reclaimed our history and sham artists like you aren't going to hi--jack it again !
You don't get it : If u went back in time & paraded JFK before LHO 12 x's he may only of hit him again 2x on his 4th ,8th or 12th attempt . Your math background in this is as silly , mixed & fouled up as much as everything else you've gotten wrong . Wrong correlation !
He fired 3x . 2 make your comparison make sense , 4 example , the CBS people would have 2 had multiple sessions of 12 attempts . That's how statistic's work . U have averages & mean averages over many attempts . There might be a day when all the shooters hit all the targets on all attempts . If some were able 2 hit 2 out of 3 & 1 person hit 3 out of 3 in 5.6 sec.'s then it's no where near "nearly imposs. & highly improb. for LHO" It's the opposite .
I can see logic , absence of evidence , maybe having a little drifty to the left reasoning is no concern to Basboll who has staked his claim (Wrongly) that LHO is innocent and isn't man enough to admit it despite having every one of his objections answered w/ a logical explanation . What does he provide for his evidence ? What all intellectually dishonest ppl provide when their client is guilty : Questions ! Which are not evidence of anything let alone a conspiracy . Example : If we were
I can see logic , absence of evidence , maybe having a little drifty to the left reasoning is no concern to Basboll who has staked his claim (Wrongly) that LHO is innocent and isn't man enough to admit it despite having every one of his objections answered w/ a logical explanation . What does he provide for his evidence ? What all intellectually dishonest ppl provide when their client is guilty : Questions ! Which are not evidence of anything let alone a
To argue LHO was a good enough shot at the time of DP is akin to arguing at .250 hitter who's been retired for four years, hasn't taken BP in a year, and is stepping in the batter's box cold would be ready "go yard" on Johan Santana when 3 active .300 hitters had just been whiffed by him. Possible, but highly unlikely.
Basboll who has staked his claim (Wrongly) that LHO is innocent>>
I've said LHO couldn't do it alone. It's entirely possible he was one of the shooters. I don't care whether or not he did or did not fire. It's highly unlikely, given the expert testimony of credible shooters like Jim Crossman,Craig Roberts and Carlos Hatchcock and the numerous tests done (even by the WC) that show few shooters could do it alone.
Marine sniper Carlos Hathcock closely replicated the DP conditions at Quantico and couldn't do LHO's alleged feat. Expert shot Jim Crossman (3 misses on his first CBS test attempt) and Sniper Craig Roberts reached similar conclusions.
But knowing CDD, he'll ignore this or seek to show that all three believed in aliens which of course, negates their credibility with shooting expertise.
At his best in the Marine Corp. he shot expert at twice the distance of DP . >>cdd
AGAIN, With a superior M-1, not a cheap bolt action rifle that shows a propensity for jamming. Never mind the fact he had several incidents of Maggie's Drawers that made him a mockery as a shooter in the eyes of his fellow marines.
Marina testified he practiced w/a poncho over his rifle (Blind) O/&O/&O again to build up his dexterity w/ his weapon .>>
The FBI could find no proof he practiced on any ranges in the year before DP...Maybe gun shops should start selling ponchos and blindfolds to their customers instead of recommending practicing on firing ranges (which is what they do) to develop proficiency with a weapon :-)
Yes he was motivated because he was shooting @ a live JFK >>CDD
Yeah, who needs practice when all you need is motivation? Cancel Spring Training now.
I can c statistics & probabilitys aren't your strongest points>>
LOL! If 10 of 12 with better ability than LHO couldn't do it on the first try, which is all LHO had, what are the probabilities LHO did it w/o practice? Slim and none.
P-2 to follow his line of thinking , using the opposite of the scientific method , which BTW would result in no one ever getting convicted of a crime pleaase : 1) Prove he didn
Specter took for granted that they had a machismo on the media and the American people at the time. No need for real detail here, If the Government pronounces it, the American people will buy it.. The turning point in America, which Jack Kennedy started, didn't die with his death, and the American people balked and hasn't bought it.
NOC1TIME 8 months ago
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What I find interesting is that Robert "Tosh" Plumlee, who was a CIA pilot, admits that he flew Johnny Roselli into Dallas on the morning of 11/22/63 on a private MATS (Military Air Transport Service) flight. One of the highest members of the mafia being flown into Dallas on a private military flight the morning of the assassination? Smells like conspiracy spirit to me.
ElevenMileRecords 8 months ago
The wound was never disected so it is an assumption it passed through the body. The assumption is based on the throat wound being an exit wound.
Autshot20 9 months ago
1:34 would be true if jfk was upright at the time lmao duh
head rotated left, left laterally flexed abd, definitely way foeward flexed
cmon man
RedStateRoy 1 year ago
WORST MUSIC DESIGN EVER
MOXWELLDIAMOND 1 year ago
LBJ's Mistress Blows Whistle On JFK Assassination
nicenonya3 1 year ago
@nicenonya3
Aren't you nicenone.
Ok..ok...I'll shutup...
Ha! Ha! Ha!
At least now I understand your full name..."NICENONE"
LOL!
I see that!!! LOL
nicenonya3 1 year ago
What people don't understand is that Kennedy's suit jacket was bunched up on his back. He was waving at people, and his jacket bunched up above his shoulders.
It's not like Kennedy was sitting like dummy without moving and along with his movings...so did his clothes...
I think the more curious questions should be about Oswald.
Why would an assassin leave his rifle behind with all of his prints all over the rifle.
Does that make any sense?
Just curious.
Anyone have any clues?
DannyBruiz 1 year ago
@DannyBruiz shut up stupid
nicenonya3 1 year ago
@nicenonya3
Aren't you nicenone.
Ok..ok...I'll shutup...
Ha! Ha! Ha!
At least now I understand your full name..."NICENONE"
LOL!
DannyBruiz 1 year ago
@DannyBruiz NICE -NO -N- YA
nicenonya3 1 year ago
@nicenonya3
Like I care.
DannyBruiz 1 year ago
@DannyBruiz who gives a shit about his coat?? ,...the hole on his back is what matters,,,,,
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
the hole can't line up with the 6th floor as they claim a "magic bullet" that hit Connelly...,anyway the throat wound was an entrance wound..
NEXT
nicenonya3 1 year ago
@nicenonya3
From where?
The back or the front?
The trejectory is assuming that JFK was sitting straight up.
He was not a dummy sitting still like a stiff dummy.
You have to take into account his body movements.
I'm sure that's too deep for you.
Anyway...nuff said.
Let's kill this dialogue. It serves no purpose to reality.
DannyBruiz 1 year ago
@DannyBruiz no,you don't get the last word,JFK wasn't laying down in the back seat when the neck wound and back wound happened,maybe this whole JFK conspiracy is way too deep for you!
nicenonya3 1 year ago
@nicenonya3
Aye....aye...aye...
Where did I say he was laying down.
What I said was that his body was not sitting straight up like a dummy.
All people move around, and sometimes they have to readjust their jacket, because it can ride up...
Thus, it is possible that his jacket rode up while he was in a sitting position, and as many people do, they will lean forward to become more comfortable.
Thus, the explanation that his jacket was bunched up when the bullet struck...thus the bullet alignmnt
DannyBruiz 1 year ago
@DannyBruiz who gives a shit about his jacket>??? BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
that';s the dumbest shit I have ever heard!!! The autopsy photo wasn't taken with his clothes on!!! they were burned so they could change the hole to line up with the magic bullet bullshit story!!
LOL
nicenonya3 1 year ago
@nicenonya3
I think you're going off the deep end here.
In the autopsy, he was wearing all of his clothes. Than they took his clothes off and did another autopsy.....your are surely a dweeb. Actually... I think you're stupid. I'm gonna block you dude...or girl or what ever the hell you are. One thing's for sure, you are surely out of touch with reality.
Where'd you get your facts that they burned his clothes? WOW!
DannyBruiz 1 year ago
@nicenonya3
Please go away now or I'm gonna block you....I have no interest in talking to you....go away....
DannyBruiz 1 year ago
@DannyBruiz ,yes,you don't have a clue
nicenonya3 1 year ago
the bullit trajectory is a bit confusing here because the car was driving downhill so the shooter was not at ground level anyhow. The further I watch this case the more I feel shots where being fired from the daltex building. Maybe second or third floor or roof. Maybe two or three gunmen, maybe signaled by the umbrella man...I do not think this will ever be solved, but I liked Kens167 videos of calculations about the gunshots in relation to their positions, and that 3d computer model video.
ricotermonen 1 year ago
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@ricotermonen watch the James Files videos
nicenonya3 1 year ago
Interesting, LBJ, Russell and Connolly himself KNEW that Connlly had by hit by a separate bullet from any that hit JFK. Right there, the Warren Commission is invalidated.
mcmchugh99 1 year ago
many people don't know that only allen dulles, earl warren, gerald ford, and john mccloy believed the sbt, russel, boggs, and cooper all disbelieved it, and it was hale boggs, not russel long, that instigated the jim garrison investigation... and what happened to hale boggs anyway?... well, he said some inflammatory things about hoover and he disappeared
RapedByRepublicans 1 year ago
LBJ hired me, a circus clown and master of disguises. I impersonated a Dallas motorcycle cop and did the head shot through a hole in the wooden fence next to the grassy knoll, then dissappeared, living in Argentina with Dr. Mengela and a cloned Hitler boy who lost his virginity to my teenage Mexican wife. I have only recently returned to the USA to plan 911 for Bush. Atta was a real card with us loving Thai strippers in a South Beach club.
wmhoad 2 years ago
oh evil humans.........will you ever learn.....
kingrexrex666 2 years ago
I am just an 11 yr. old curious kid from Gettysburg. I find it so alarming that we can come up with conclusive DNA evidence to convict a person of murder or rape based on a "HAIR FOLICLE" but cannot come up with the true identity of the killer involved with the Kennedy assassination! Even with all of the forensic evidence and the videos and DNA , ballistic evidence we still are in debate over this case. Unless our Gov't botched this investigation on purpose. They can't be that incompitent!
007antimatter 2 years ago
Hoover spent more time trimming his nails then he did on looking into this case! The Whitehouse botched this case on pupose. We had less intell and evidence not to mention Forensic Science Technologies when Lincoln was murdered. Our Government went all out to find Lincoln's killer and spared no expense in doing so! JFK got the same treatment as a family disposing of its pet goldfish. He was " FLUSHED DOWN THE TOILET"!!! I may only be 11 yrs. old but i could have done a better job investigating!
007antimatter 2 years ago
good to see you minds thinking.....humanity does have hope....
kingrexrex666 2 years ago
@007antimatter the government doesn't want the truth to be told,because the government killed JFK..Even LBJ's girlfriend claims LBJ told her that Dallas oilmen and the CIA killed him,and LBJ helped in the cover up so he could be president.Operation 40,CIA,MOB,Dallas Police,LBJ,Dulles,Hoover,David Atlee Phillips,Nixon,GHW Bush,James Files,Sarti,Nicoletti,FBI etc. were all in on the murder,framing and cover up!
nicenonya3 1 year ago
The distance between the back wound and the neck wound is so short that any disparity, even as little as a half-inch is going to make a HUGE difference in the angle. CE903 is a photograph that clearly shows that the downward trajectory is consistent with the known entry and exit wounds.
Alternative explanations to the Single Bullet Theory are even MORE "magical" and fall appropriate by virtue of their sheer nonsense and implausibility.
davidemerling 2 years ago
'nonsense and implausibility' has a good ring to it when talking Pat Speer !
Don't forget fraudulent !
Thats another good adjective .
cdddraftsman 2 years ago
Thank you for posting
DimondR 2 years ago
"you will be embarrassed about pushing Bugliosi's propaganda."
I'm embarrassed that I've had to correct you dozens of times on the neck hoax you're pulling and yet you don't correct your video ?
What's wrong with Pat Speer ?
What was wrong with all JFK research community standards ..... they suck the big one !
cdddraftsman 2 years ago
"6.5 mm FMJ bullets hitting at 2000 fps DO NOT leave small 3-5 mm exits on the victim's throat, and only minor lacerations of the trachea, and anyone telling you "
Man would you listen to that guy lie !
Dr. Lattimers tests proved that supported skin will leave a exit wound as small as a entrance wound (WITH PHOTO's) ..... JFK neck collar and tie stopped the neck wound from being larger .
Kennedy & Lincoln
A Medical & Ballistic's Comparisons Of Their Assassinations
Pg 235
Fig.95
cdddraftsman 2 years ago
Well done thanks for this information...
DRpokeme 2 years ago
I just need to know, is this the video that you want me to watch?
Mrkremko 2 years ago
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Go to the video titled, Texas School Book Depository Employees - Part 3
At the 2:56 minute mark, you will see & hear James Jarman, Jr... He is the man who assassinated President Kennedy.
The two previous guys shown, Norman & Williams were co-conspirators. Along with Charles Douglas Givens (Not shown)...
Do an "MSN" search with the key words, James Jarman, Jr., Assassin, for the entire story... The 8th site listed, "The John F" is the most comprehensive...
freedomhill68 2 years ago
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If a separate bullet hit Connally then doesn't anybody find it highly coincidental that the wounds do line-up in such a way that a reasonable argument can be made that a single bullet did all the damage? If Connally was truly hit by a separate bullet, then those conspirators sure got awfully lucky that it happened as it did to even allow the Single Bullet Theory to be remotely workable.
And if it WAS a separate bullet - where did that bullet go? It must have magically disappeared!
davidemerling 2 years ago
In chapters 11 through 12c of my website I look at the bullet trajectories in greater detail than one will find elsewhere, and demonstrate that the SBT does not align perfectly as claimed.
PatSpeer 2 years ago
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Let's say, just for the sake of argument, that this flat trajectory, as purported in this video were true. Let's say that's what really happened.
Then where did that bullet go after it exited Kennedy's neck? Did it miss Connally? If so, did it hit SS Agent Kellerman? Did it something in the limousine? Did it skip over the front window of the limousine?
Where did this "magic bullet" go?
davidemerling 2 years ago
Why do you assume this bullet exited Kennedy's neck?
PatSpeer 2 years ago
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For several reasons:
1. There was no bullet lodged in Kennedy's upper body. In fact, x-rays revealed only metallic flakes in Kennedy's skull from the disintegrated bullet which struck his head.
2. It is impossible to imagine how a bullet, traveling over 2000 fps (supersonic) could hit only soft tissue and stop.
3. The throat wound was the obvious exit point for the bullet that entered high on Kennedy's back. If it was NOT the exit - then what was it? Certainly he did not have 2 entry wounds.
davidemerling 2 years ago
How do we know the speed of the projectile creating the back wound?
And why is the throat wound OBVIOUSLY the exit for the bullet striking JFK in the back?
You've accepted assumptions you should not accept that lead you in an incorrect direction, IMO.
FWIW, 6.5 mm FMJ bullets hitting backs at 2000 fps DO NOT leave small 3-5 mm exits on the victim's throat, and only minor lacerations of the trachea, and anyone telling you otherwise has their fingers crossed behind their back..
PatSpeer 2 years ago
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Because there was no bullet found lodged in Kennedy's body? Secondly, it hit only soft tissue which provides insufficient resistance to stop a bullet. Finally, there is compelling evidence that a disturbed bullet struck Connally. Where could that bullet possibly have come from if not transiting Kennedy's body?
davidemerling 2 years ago
Connally's doctor was convinced the bullet striking Connally did not first hit Kennedy. The whole argument that the bullet was traveling sideways is based upon a deliberate misreading of Shaw's statements and measurements. He said the wound was 1.5 cm and that he cut around it creating a 3 cm wound. And yet LNs--starting with Lattimer and Baden--continue to lie and state the wound was 3 cm--the length of an M/C bullet traveling sideways.
PatSpeer 2 years ago
research The 488th Military Intelligence Unit and see the connection to the Dallas Police including Deputy Chief George Lumpkin-Lt Col George Whitmeyer-Jack Crichton-George HW Bush-David H Byrd-Clint Murchison-J Edgar Hoover.There were 50 Dallas Policie Officers in the 488th.
themeaningoflife38 2 years ago
Read Vincent Bugliosi's "Reclaiming History." The content in that book will make you feel embarrassed about being a conspiracy theorist.
Mrkremko 2 years ago
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Truer words were never spoken! The audience for the conspiracy theorists are those who have never seriously accessed any of the evidence and testimony and probably never will. Consequently, these sensationalists can just about get away with anything because they rely on the fact that nobody will probably check. And those that DO check are too few in number and are simply drowned out by the persistent whining of the conspiracy community - which tends to be more vocal.
davidemerling 2 years ago
Mrkemko, Read chapter 9b on my webpage and you will be embarrassed about pushing Bugliosi's propaganda.
PatSpeer 2 years ago
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Note :
Don't expect Pat Speer to present evidence fairly , his agenda is conspiracy 4 purposes of self aggrandizement . His lifes vocation(music industry)prior 2 donning his tin foil hat & after his supposed debunking of Dale Myers 'Forensic Animation' , Pat was handed his head on a platter after Myers exposed Speers total lack of knowledge regarding computers , forensics & the JFK Assan. in a searing post that had Pat trying 2 keyboard pecker in a standing position for 2 mo.'s afterwards.
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
it was a conspiracy,no doubt about it,you have your own agenda cd,the evidence is thier for all to see,maybe your blind,all i gte from you is "ive been into this for 40 years"so what,or my father worked on this,so what.the evidence is the same today as it was then,only difference is that now we have better equipment to check it out,and it still says it was a massive conspiracy,some of the players have spoken,some have been silenced,but it still dont change the facts,i knew this long before utube
eljamiro 3 years ago
Well done!
Thanks for this well-researched and professionally presented video.
proudfootz 3 years ago
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P-3
"the top snipers I know say this is because they cannot do it"
What fantasy top snipers in the world would that be ? Name them ? Sounds like BS , look junior I've been studying this for 35 years and you don't succeed in bullshiting me in the slightest . LHO for all intents & purpose's shot expert in the Marine Corp from the bench rest position similar to Dealey Plaza AND AT HALF THE DISTANCE OF THE 200 YARDS THAT WAS REQUIRED IN THE MARINE RIFLE RANGE ! GET INFORMED !
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
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P-2
"No 1 was ever able 2 make the bullet follow the path that WC claimed. It has never been done 2 this day"
What are you stewpid or sumptin ?I already referenced where it HAS BEEN DONE , QUIT FLAPPING YOUR E-LIPS AND SEE : The Secret KGB JFK Assassination Files . Guess what ? The alignment works w/the mock ups in the limo ! It's a straight line thru both men using laser technology !
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
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P-1
"U don't understand that I'm referring 2 another show not this video"
I know all the shows & this is the only one that attempts to recreate the bullets conditioin . Name the other show ?
"It has never been done to this day ... Then do it."
Haaaaaaa ! This right here shows you how illogical & untenable your position is . READ MY LIPS ! : NO 2 GUN SHOT WOUNDINGS CAN BE DUPLICATED EXACTELY ,THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF EXPERIMENTING TO COME AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE TO PROVE A THEORY !
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
cdddraftsman, you a sick boy, son!
XZYAFFAIR 3 years ago
A hilarious (to me) attempt to recreate the "shot to back exiting the throat" theory using snipers and a dummy was made for a debunking conspiracy special.
Cameras were placed at every angle for the experiment. They were never able to do it. So they simply edited out the front camera shot and announced that they had proven their point. The truth is that the front camera showed the bullet blasting through the CHEST instead of the neck. The magic bullet path fails in real life experiments.
Anonologist 3 years ago
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"A hilarious attempt to recreate the "shot to back exiting the throat" theory"
Are you perhaps retarded or something ? The whole point of the experiment was to prove what damage was done to the bullet and they never made claims that the trajectory was going to be precisely like Dealey Plaza . If you want a straight line thru both men using laser technology get : The Secret KGB JFK Assassination Files . Guess what ? The alignment works w/the mock ups in the limo . A real no brainer .
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
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Don't expect Pat Speer to present evidence fairly , his agenda is conspiracy for purposes of self aggrandizement . His lifes vocation(music industry)prior to donning his tin foil hat & after his supposed debunking of Dale Myers 'Forensic Animation' , Pat was handed his head on a platter after Myers exposed Speers total lack of knowledge regarding computers , forensic's & the JFK Assassin. in a searing post that had Pat trying to keyboard pecker in a standing position for 2 mo.'s afterwards .
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
cdddraftsman: You seem not to understand that I'm referring to another show and not this video.
The show I refer to did indeed attempt to recreate the "magic bullet" shot using a duplicate rifle and other rifles. No one was ever able to make the bullet follow the path that the WC claimed. It has never been done to this day and the top snipers I know say this is because they cannot do it.
Think it can be done? Then do it. You may look as funny as the poor snipers did, however.
Anonologist 3 years ago 2
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The Single Bullet Myth is a fraud based upon drawings and conjecture, not X-Rays, photos, or the FBI's report. Arlen Specter is confronted with the facts here...
watch?v=aS3zrdkoCdY
No SBT, no Lone Nut gunman. Ooops!
Dale Myers bullshit propoganda cartoon is as valid for scientific evidence as Elmer Fudd is valid for rabbit hunting, and Popeye is for the health benefits of spinach. He is exposed as the lying coward he is here:
watch?v=kSa3gO5h1ak
watch?v=eTZl1pqryBo
watch?v=IkXoAUTVbxE
VinnyVoom444 3 years ago
It's obvious from cdddraftsman's wild claims and grammatical and usage errors that he has a low intelligence/educational level.
XZYAFFAIR 3 years ago 2
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The entire bandwidth of YouTube could be filled with the boldfaced lies and disinformation the degenerate piece of shit cddraftsman has been caught in. That said, now the whole world is having a good belly laugh at what a pathetic bigot and sociopath he is. IT'S OFFICIAL!
google "tom lowery jfk"
Watch:
watch?v=0GDHJGW5o9U
The "YouTube Officials" (aka: HIS) attempt to censor this HAS FAILED. How does that shitburger taste Cap'n kielbasa cockmunch? Bon appetite!
VinnyVoom444 3 years ago
I have seem a man shot in the thigh and the exit wound came out the mans neck, THE FRONT OF THE NECK.
Anyone that has been in battle knows that bullets change direction in the body. This is all conspiracy BS!
James92802 3 years ago
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The whole point of the experiment was to prove what damage was done to the bullet in relationship to it's origin point . If a bullet sustains more damage closer to the point of were it was fired the more damage can be expected it to receive . ie. If it broke 2 ribs v just 1 rib first (Going faster) it can be expected to look just as it does in the program .
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
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Checkmate!
Wrong !
Dr. Lattimers experiments proved that if CE-399 had not gone through JFK and been slowed , first , it would of had enough force or velocity , put it into any terms you like , it would of broke his femur .
Read Kennedy & Lincoln pg. 269
'Leg bone would of shattered if bullet had not slowed and tumbled from transversing Presidents neck' !
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
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Note :
According to a JAMA study at a level 1 trauma center. The study, which looked at single, perforating (exiting) gunshot wounds & multiple gunshot wounds, found that trauma specialists made errors in 52% of the cases examined .
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
"& the bullet which hit Connally hit 2 ribs because it was tumbling"
Wrong CE-399 hit and broke only one of Connally's ribs .
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
I know. I meant that the bullet in the documentary hit "Connally" and broke two ribs. CE399 broke one rib of Connally according to the SBT. The documentary reveals that a bullet which hit first JFK began to tumble and broke TWO ribs of the mock Connally. The only logical CONCLUSION is that the bullet which hit Connally did NOT hit anybody before him, started NOT to tumble and therefore broke only one rib instead of hitting "JFK" first, tumbling and breaking two ribs like in the test. Checkmate!
Zeitzler 3 years ago
"The Dallas dr.'s said the neck wound (must) be an entry wound because it was so small & not punched out"
They said no such thing . Some speculated it was a fragment from the head shot , others said it might of been a entrance or a exit !
JAMA study proves ER personal wrong 52% of the time .
"The WC tests proofed that an exit wound is big (1-1.3 cm) and punched out"
Dr. Lattimer proved that supported skin (Shirt & Tie) leaves a small exit wound .
Kennedy & Lincoln pg.235 fig.95
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
Well, lets see what they said:
Dr. Carrico: ...there was some damage to the trachea behind it [the wound], so the thing must have been going from front to back. (7 HSCA 270)
Dr. Perry told one of the autopsy doctors that the wound was 3-5 mm in diameter (17 H 29)
Dr. Baxter in 1979: "It was made by a small caliber weapon. And it was an entry wound."
Nurse Henchliffe: It looked like an entrance bullet hole to her. She had never seen an exit wound that looked like that. (6 H 143).
etc.
Zeitzler 3 years ago
There is no reason to believe the tests of Dr. Lattimer. The WC tests were more realistic and proofed that the Dallas doctors opinion was absolutely correct. And this documentary test didn´t show evidence for the SBT. They had only mock bodies (without spines, shoulder blades, no connection between "Connallys" ribs and the sternum) and the bullet failed to hit Connallys wrist and thigh but it showed much more damage when it was found than CE399. That is the best evidence against the SBT.
Zeitzler 3 years ago
No one ever told Zeitzler arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics , you may win but you're still retarded .
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
There is every reason to believe the tests of Dr. Lattimer. The WC tests were less realistic and proved that the Dallas doctors opinion was absolutely wrong. And this documentary test showed evidence for the SBT. They had mock bodies and the bullet failed to hit Connallys wrist and thigh but it did hit t and break two ribs which showed much more damage when it was found than CE399 which proved the SBT was correct because more damahe closer to the point of origination of the shot is important .
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
The Dallas doctors said the neck wound must be an entry wound because it was so small and not punched out. The WC tests proofed that an exit wound is big (1-1.3 cm) and punched out. This documentary shows us that a bullet which entered JFKs back exited on his CHEST not his NECK and the bullet which hit Connally hit two ribs because it was tumbling unlike CE399 which supposedly destroyed only one rib. This documentary destroyed the tumbling bullet myth. I really like this SBT documentary ;)
Zeitzler 3 years ago
I know the documentary about the SBT. There are several problems about it. When you are interested look at Pat Speers website: Chapter 12b. An example: "Since their "magic bullet," after traversing SIMULATED torsos of both Kennedy and Connally, failed to explode the simulated wrist to the extent Connally's was damaged and actually bounced off the simulated thigh, they had to look for it in the surrounding brush. They found a CLEARLY DEFORMED bullet several yards to the right of the torsos"
Zeitzler 3 years ago
"Dr. Perry was so certain it was an entrance wound"
Doesn't make it a fact .
The fact is that even if the doctor really *had* clearly believed that the wound was an entrance wound, they could have been mistaken.
The following is from the JAMA, April 28, 1993, page 2058.
CLINICIANS' FORENSIC INTERPRETATIONS OF FATAL GUNSHOT WOUNDS OFTEN MISS THE MARK.
The odds that a trauma specialist will correctly interpret certain fatal gunshot wound are no better than the flip of a coin ,
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
"Read the testimony of the witnesses & U can clearly see that this assumption is not very realistic"
The testimony in the WCR was not acceptible in a court of law due to being
'Hearsay'(*).
(*) Clay Shaw Trial .
Sorry but that's just not a good enough excuse anymore .
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
according to a study at a level 1 trauma center. The study, which looked at single, perforating (exiting) gunshot wounds & multiple gunshot wounds, found that trauma specialists made errors in 52% of the cases examined .
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
"Rather believe the experience of dozens of doctors and the wound ballistic tests of the WC"
Ya you'd rather believe them because they ran the wrong tests by firing directly into bones . That's not what happened and you know it ! JFK : Beyond the Magic Bullet :
watch?v=rfCf-xH5IRo&feature=user
watch?v=yJq39E6UlLw&feature=user
watch?v=HQ9ltGQXV6s&feature=user
These tests made the USG tests invalid !
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
to cdddraftsman
They didn´t react at the same time. Lone gunman theorist claim JFK and JBC were hit at Z223/224. But JFK reacts much earlier to this frames. The WC said that JFK was hit at Z210. The HSCA said JFK was hit at Z190. The wound in JFKs throat was never a exit point of a 6.5MC bullet. The WC wound ballistic tests proofed this by creating much bigger exit wound on a mock neck. Who in the world would believe your arguments? You didn´t even know how to discuss without defamations!
Zeitzler 3 years ago
"They didn´t react at the same time"
BS . You don't even have to see reaction times , JFK had a circumferencial bruise sround back entry hole , the tip of his lung was bruised , the bullet was not in JFK at autopsy and no damage was done to the interior of limo . The bullet had to hit JBC .
Case closed .
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
The doctors in Bathesta speculated that the bullet which hit JFK in the back fell out. There is a lot of evidence that the back wound has no exit point. Look at youtube: "JFK Assassination, FBI Agent on Autopsy". Your arguments clearly show that you can´t prove that JFK and JBC were hit at the same time. So you are using this kind of pseudo arguments. You learned a lot from Bugliosi.
Zeitzler 3 years ago
"speculated that the bullet which hit JFK in the back fell out"
While a bullet hit him in the throat and disappeared ? That's not only unrealistic that stewpid ! High speed bullets don't penetrate a short distance and then fall out unless you read about it in a conspiracy book were it's vital to pull off the con-job .
Who's bullshitting who ?
You just broke the principle of parsimony or Okcums's razor , DON'T ADD UN-NECESSARY PLURALITY'S !
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
"And that´s the problem"
It sure is , you're all screwed up in the head .
YOU'VE BEEN BESTED BY A BEDTIME STORY !
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
Maybe they were removed in a pre-autopsy examination. The government (LBJ) hold back a lot of evidence. And some evidence was destroyed. Fact is that the doctors examined the back and concluded in the night of the autopsy that it has no exit point. Several witnesses, including two FBI agents, confirmed this fact. On the other the WC tests proofed that an exit wound of a MC bullet was 1 cm to 1.3 cm. The hole in JFK throat was 3-5 mm.
Zeitzler 3 years ago
The problem is that some of the WC members didn´t even believe the SBT and they had all the evidence. LBJ, Hoover, the Dallas doctors and not even the Bathesta doctors believed this theory. Nobody took this theory serious but they had to conclude that this theory works because no SBT no lone assassin. And if these guys didn´t believe the SBT why shall I believe in it? Thats the point and you did not unterstand this.
Zeitzler 3 years ago
To : Zeitzler "Nobody took theory serious"
You r such a incredible bad bs'ing asshole . The 2 men react @ the same time , the bullet is on a downward tragectory so if it doesn't hit JBC it will have to hit the limo . No damage except JBC's wounds , simple deduction CE-399 went on to hit JBC . No other possible explanation that doesn't involve extra-ordinary circumstances to come into play . AND IT DOESN'T TAKE A FUCKING ROCKET SCIENTIST TO FIGURE IT OUT EITHER !
Zeitzler is an ass !
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
So if the neck wound is a wound of entry, where was the shooter? And where is the exit?
proudfutzbrain 3 years ago
And didn´t claim the neck wound was a wound of entry. I said that it never was an exit point of an 6.5 mm MC bullet. It could be an entry wound or the exit point of a ricochet fragment of the bullet which hit the head. If it was an entry wound of a shot from the Grassy Knoll it stuck in the throat as some of the Dallas doctors claimed.
Zeitzler 3 years ago
The historian must narrow the field of possibilities. The more possibilities he eliminates, the more likely the developing story describes the events as they actually happened. The scenarios you describe have all been eliminated, in my view, by the ballistic match of CE399 to the exclusion of all other rifles.
proudfutzbrain 3 years ago
"If it was an entry wound of a shot from the Grassy Knoll it stuck in the throat as some of the Dallas doctors claimed"
From primary sources that day the Dr.'s speculated it was a fragment from the headshot (Later disproved at autopsy) and not a frontal wound . One nurse speculated that , but the JAMA study proved ER personal got entry & exit wound wrong over 50% of the time .
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
This is simply wrong. Dr. Perry stated that there was a entry wound in the neck. He did not mentioned that there was a speculation about a head shot fragment. By the way: It much more realistic that this tiny wound was caused by a head shot fragment than a whole MC bullet. The autopsy doctors did not dissect the wound. So there is simply no proof for this claim.
Zeitzler 3 years ago
What Conspiracy books usually omit is the fact that the dr.'s who actually saw the wound speculated that it was an exit wound from a fragment from the head shot. They also imply that ER personnel can easily tell whether a wound is an entrance wound or an exit wound. (See McAdam's Site)This essay consists of 2 parts. The 1st documents the speculations of the drs about the wound & the 2nd is a passage from the JAMA describing a careful study of the ability of ER personnel .
BS 2 Zeitzler
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
It is true that some of the Dallas doctors did speculate that the throat wound was caused by a fragment from the head shot. But on the day of the assassination nobody even assumed that it could be an exit wound. Dr. Perry was so certain that he said JFK was looking backwards when the bullet hit him in the throat. None of the doctor´s believed it could be an exit wound from a WHOLE bullet.
Zeitzler 3 years ago
"Dr. Perry was so certain that he said JFK was looking backwards when the bullet hit him in the throat"
Dr. Perry wasn't in Dealey Plaza . You're overly (Hyper) speculating again . You need to buff up on your assassination lore .
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
"Fact is that the drs examined the back & concluded in the night of the autopsy that it has no exit point"
Strap muscles closed and rigor had set in plain and simple .
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
Very, very, very unrealistic. Read the testimony of the witnesses and you can clearly see that this assumption is not very realistic.
Zeitzler 3 years ago
Dr. Perry was so certain it was an entrance wound, that when he was asked how a bullet fired from behind could have struck Kennedy in the throat, he opined that Kennedy had turned around shortly before the missile struck. I was not speculating. I only told you the facts.
Zeitzler 3 years ago
"But on the day of the assassn nobody even assumed that it could be an exit wound"
WTF can't you read the primary sources but have crystal clear vision when it comes to reading bullshit out of a conspiracy novel ?
Mr. Specter: "Was there discussion by drs who attended JFK as to the cause of the neck wound?
Dr. Carrico: Yes, that afternoon.
Mr. Specter: & what conversations were there?
Dr. Carrico: Dr. Perry & I talked & postulated that this was a tangential wound from a fragment"
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
Mr. Specter: Was the wound in the neck consistent with being either an entry or exit wound, in your opinion?
Dr. Carrico: Yes.
So what have the buffs been doing with this testimony? They have been *suppressing* the doctors' speculation that the throat wound was the exit wound of a fragment, and *pushing* the drs speculation that the wound was a entrance wound. The buffs put the former speculation down the Memory Hole ,if ppl knew about it, they might understand how uncertain the were .
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
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Then there is the fact that even if the doctor really *had* clearly believed that the wound was an entrance wound, they could have been mistaken.
The following is from the JAMA, April 28, 1993, page 2058.
CLINICIANS' FORENSIC INTERPRETATIONS OF FATAL GUNSHOT WOUNDS OFTEN MISS THE MARK.
The odds that a trauma specialist will correctly interpret certain fatal gunshot wound are no better than the flip of a coin ,
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
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according to a study at a level 1 trauma center. The study, which looked at single, perforating (exiting) gunshot wounds & multiple gunshot wounds, found that trauma specialists made errors in 52%.
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
I can clearly see that you didn´t have any experience with primary sources. Dr. Carrico said this months after the day of assassination. That is not a primary source. It´s a testimony, a secondary source! On 22.11.63 Dr. Perry never even mentioned before the media that it could be an exit wound of a fragment or that they speculated about this assumption. He only told them that it was an entrance wound and he was very certain. That´s the primary source on the day of the assassination.
Zeitzler 3 years ago
"I can clearly see that you didn´t have any experience with primary sources"
BULLSHIT ! He was talking about his experiences the day of the assassination !
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
Yes, that´s correct. But it is a secondary source. It´s a testimony and this a secondary source.
Zeitzler 3 years ago
BTW : It much more realistic that this tiny wound was caused by a head shot fragment than a whole MC bullet"
No it isn't . Dr. Lattimer proved by expeimentation that supported skin (Shirt & Tie) will leave a exit wound as small or smaller than a entrance wound . If we left it up to CTer's to experiment ....well none have even bought a similar rifle yet :(
Case closed .
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
Dr. Latimmer? I rather believe the experience of dozens of doctors and the wound ballistic tests of the WC than this crook with his doubtfull "experiments". One of the doctors who saw the wound said that is was slightly above the tie knot. So the Lattimer test is invalid.
Zeitzler 3 years ago
"I rather believe the experience of dozens of doctors and the wound ballistic tests of the WC"
Ya tou'd rather believe them because they ean the wrong tests by firing directly into bones . That's not what happened and you know it !
Dr. Lattimer became a wounds ballistic expert in this case and no one came close to his expertise !
Dr. Lattimers tests made the USG tests invalid !
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
"The problem is that some of the WC members didn´t even believe the SBT & they had all the evidence"
Here's a interesting tid bit of info. : If you look back at the attendence records of those who dissented , they only attended 25% of the hearings .
Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what the implications of that means .
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
If you don´t believe a theory you normally try to figure out what has really happened. And that´s the problem. They never tried to figure out what has happened. They had to conclude that LHO acted alone so they were forced to believe the SBT. No SBT, no lone nut theory.
Zeitzler 3 years ago
"If u don´t believe a theory u normally try to figure out what has really happened"
The majority members of the WCR were in agreement w/the SBT . The members that didn't fully understand it attended only 25% of the WC meetings .
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
"U learned a lot from Bugliosi"
Haven't even read his book yet , there a 12 month waiting list at the library to read his 'Death knell' to con-spiracy .
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
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I hope you don't think that you can take a conversation before 1 word was written in a report & think *they* meant conspiracy ? Nope Nada Nyet!
* Russell thought Warren was too liberal.
** LBJ went out of his way the have a commission constituted w/ members who's political affiliations were not only different, but who's philosophy's were different also. Hence assuring that whatever was agreed upon would of been born through rigorous debate. Desenters only attended 25% of WC meetings
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
"apparently the politicians involved"
You can stop tour fake grieving for that Irish Gangsta . he was a weak politician that never wrote any of his speeches and couldn't hold a candle to a president the likes of Teddy Roosevelt !
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
apparently the politicians involved with this assassination did not think nor care of the family members left behind to possibly face the wrongs of their elders. english thinking, as they love their dogs and hate their children.
mountain19 3 years ago
"apparently the politicians involved"
You can stop tour fake grieving for that Irish Gangsta . he was a weak politician that never wrote any of his speeches and couldn't hold a candle to a president the likes of Teddy Roosevelt !
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
"I'll discuss anything you want."
You can´t even discuss. But I give you a change. How did you explain the conversation between Johnson and Russel or the fake drawing by Specter or the fact that Ford changed the description of the back wound.
Zeitzler 3 years ago
LOL,CD you still on here buddy?con-artists?no little one that would be the cia run by bush sr. who has covered up this case for 45 years!Bush SR. needs to be questioned about his involvement under oath.Explain away?Logical?rational? Pal, you have been on these jfk sites spreading disinformation and insulting every person who actually (gasps) has doubts.Are we not allowed to question ANYTHING anymore?
bouncer97 3 years ago
"Are we not allowed to question ANYTHING anymore?"
I'll discuss anything you want . But when a logical and rational explanation is given to explain away the CT lie and construct , enough is enough , time to move on to . Far too many people have been hawking this investigation , doing a fine job , no extra guns found that were smoking either . Conspiracy needs burying before the rotting corpse spreads more diseased thoughts . Ploink on your dotty head fool ! .
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
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"How did you explain the conversation between Johnson and Russel "
1) The Body that was to be eventually called the Warren Commission was not a term even invented when the conversation took place .
2) No where in the conversation was the word fraud ever used .
3) The context here is before the WC was even formed & he is trying 2 get Russell to sit w/the Chief Justice , whom Russell
despised* in order 2 get a fair**
representive body of bi-partisan members on 1commission .
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
P-2
I hope you don't think that you can take a conversation before 1 word was written in a report & think *they* meant conspiracy ? Nope Nada Nyet!
* Russell thought Warren was too liberal.
** LBJ went out of his way the have a commission constituted w/ members who's political affiliations were not only different, but who's philosophy's were different also. Hence assuring that whatever was agreed upon would of been born through rigorous debate. Desenters only attended 25% of WC meetings
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
LMAO,WRONG CD, LBJ:''All you have to do is approve a hoover report''.How's THAT for proof(ploink) is right you fucking child.What a FRAUD the WR was/and is and what a joke your theory IS,now run along son.(clears throat)..so CD..anytime your ready explaining WHY bush lied?Or are you gonna squish away as usual so you can show off your insecurity by bullying and insulting morons who say ''jackie did it'' ''no it was the driver''(scoffs) get lost you transparent weasel
bouncer97 3 years ago
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"How did you explain the conversation between Johnson and Russel "
1) The Body that was to be eventually called the Warren Commission was not a term even invented when the conversation took place .
2) No where in the conversation was the word fraud ever used .
3) The context here is before the WC was even formed & he is trying 2 get Russell to sit w/the Chief Justice , whom Russell
despised* in order 2 get a fair**
representive body of bi-partisan members on 1commission .
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
"It´s simply nonsense 2 discuss w/ this ***"
I'll discuss anything you want . But when a logical and rational explanation is given to explain away the CT lie and construct , enough is enough , time to move on to greener hoaxing fields . Far too many people have been hawking this investigation , doing a fine job with out con-artists such as youself burying thia aupposed conspiracy under layers and layers of bogus hot aired bunk !
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
@basboll
Don´t waste your time with discussions with this cdddraftsman-guy. It´s simply nonsense to discuss with this nut.
Zeitzler 3 years ago
Try the Rocketfeller Cor, Where the NSA and CIA take there orders from Corperate America, Just like every pres since Harry Trueman and JFK who they Murdered. Ever notice its been war after war, Iran Contra? CIA largest Drug Dealers on the planet, Its all accademic and on the web
cycimian 3 years ago
"Try the Rocketfeller Cor, Where the NSA and CIA Blah Blah Blah Blah"
Get a theory together aho . That's why you've been marginalised the past 44 years , NO COUNTER THEORY THAT'S PLAUSIBLE ! 68 different assassins & helpers = IMPOSSIBE ! You are defeated by common sense alone .
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
"first he's credible, then he's a joke...great work"
NO FIRST OFF HE'S HUMAN AND HE CAN MAKE MISTAKES ! GROW UP IDIOT !
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
GROW UP IDIOT ! >.CDD
Grow up? Uh, I'm not the one screaming or insulting.
LOUDMOUTH KNOW IT ALL ! >>CDD
Now do you see the irony of that remark? :-)
basboll 3 years ago
NO FIRST OFF HE'S HUMAN AND HE CAN MAKE MISTAKES !>> CDD
Ah but you don't give CT's the same latitude--you pounce on any mistake on their part in attemping to discredit them. You can dish it out, but you can't take it.
basboll 3 years ago
"How could Mr. Crack Shot even miss @ all?>>Basboll
OR MAYBE HE WAS A LITTLE RUSTY AFTER NOT HAVING FIRED A RIFLE IN AWHILE LIKE YOU ALWAYS POINT OUT .... >>CDD
You agree with me...wonders never cease!
CDD you originally posted the 88 yards for the last shot was well within LHO's range for distance, so that's why it's unlikely he would miss the closest shot. Did the rust wear off for the next 2 farther shots? His skills suddenly return?
basboll 3 years ago
NO FIRST OFF HE'S HUMAN AND HE CAN MAKE MISTAKES ! >>CDD
Ah but you don't grant CT's the same latitude. You look for any and every inconsistency in their words or positions to try and destroy their credibility. You can dish it out, but you can't take it.
GROW UP IDIOT ! >>CDD
Grow up? Uh, I'm not the one screaming at or insulting people.
basboll 3 years ago
"Why were 3 Kennedys killed?"
So if JFK was killed by a Marxist LHO because JFK threatened Cuba , his next Utopian stop point and RFK was killed by SBS because RFK stood in the way of his return to Palestine where does that leave your dotty headed pin prick conspiracy at ? Just curious .
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
"Why were 3 Kennedys killed?"
So if JFK was killed by a Marxist LHO because JFK threatened Cuba , his next Utopian stop point and RFK was killed by SBS because RFK stood in the way of his return to Palestine where does that leave your dotty headed pin prick conspiracy at ? Just curious .
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
"Why were 3 Kennedys killed?"
So if JFK was killed by a Marxist LHO because JFK threatened Cuba , his next Utopian stop point and RFK was killed by SBS because RFK stood in the way of his return to Palestine where does that leave your dotty headed pin prick conspiracy at ? Just curious .
cdddraftsman 3 years ago 2
"first he's credible, then he's a joke...great work"
NO FIRST OFF HE'S HUMAN AND HE CAN MAKE MISTAKES ! GROW UP IDIOT !
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
¿Oye beaner, dónde puedo encontrar yo algún Spic & el Espacio para limpiar mi wetback?
ErnestJismheadz 3 years ago
"How could Mr. Crack Shot even miss @ all?
Maybe because the vast majority of shots w/ better skills couldn't do it, including the WC's expert marksmen"
OR MAYBE HE WAS A LITTLE RUSTY AFTER NOT HAVING FIRED A RIFLE IN AWHILE LIKE YOU ALWAYS POINT OUT .... LOUDMOUTH KNOW IT ALL !
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
"How could Mr. Crack Shot even miss @ all?
Maybe because the vast majority of shots w/ better skills couldn't do it, including the WC's expert marksmen"
OR MAYBE HE WAS A LITTLE RUSTY AFTER NOT HAVING FIRED A RIFLE IN AWHILE LIKE YOU ALWAYS POINT OUT .... LOUDMOUTH KNOW IT ALL !
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
Frazier also shot bullets directly into cadaver bones to simulate CE-399 WITH A FULL LOAD 160 GRAIN CHARGE ! Hahahaha !That was a boner no-brainer move .>.CDD
The same Frazier you quoted to claim LHO's MC was capable of firing the shots...first he's credible, then he's a joke...great work.
basboll 3 years ago
Ya he hit a live president one time in the head out of three try's at ,>>
If no problemo why not hit 3/3 , especially when the earlier shots were closer? How could Mr. Crack Shot even miss at all?
Maybe because the vast majority of shots with better skills couldn't do it, including the WC's expert marksmen.
basboll 3 years ago
To : Pat Speer
I still don't see what your pretencious video is supposedly proving . Without JFK's unique anatomy in front of them or you , YOU HAVE PROVED NOTHING ! Except to parade the non-expertise of one Pat Speer before a audience who is 'Clueless in Dalls' to judge who's less accurate ? The WC Or You ? I say it's you because of your appalling lack of common sense by using drawings that are not to scale . Only one of many foul ups your act here contains .
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
"he trained on a M-1, semi-auto not a bolt action MC, hit his top scores yrs before DP, had no shooting range practice before DP & did something that most expert shots w/ better skills & practice rounds couldn't do"
Ya he hit a live president one time in the head , out of three try's at half the distance he trained in the Marine Corp. in which he shot expert from the bench rest position in . In short no problemo : Case Closed !
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
"CE399 didn't have any particles of clothing from JFK or JBC"
Examining through a microscope is worthless . It would take a 'Scanning Electron Microscope' to find particles like that . Frazier also shot bullets directly into cadaver bones to simulate CE-399 WITH A FULL LOAD 160 GRAIN CHARGE ! Hahahaha !That was a boner no-brainer move . He should of used a downloaded bullet because it had already lost 50% of it's velocity / speed before it hit JBC's wrist bone because it went thru JFK 1st.
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
Frazier 4 the WC commented ..>
This also the same Robert Frazier who said, after examining CE399, that it didn't have any microscopic particles of clothing from JFK or JBC, which it would have if it had actually gone thru them. :-)
(WC Hearings III, pp 428-31).
basboll 3 years ago
Your problem is that you'll have 2 find a better excuse than calling LHO mr. maggie's drawers , because he shot expert in the Marine Corp. , >>CDD
HO-HUM...I've already been over this...he trained on a superior M-1, semi-automatic, not a bolt action MC, hit his top scores years before DP, had no shooting range practice before DP, and did something that most expert shots with better skills and practice rounds couldn't do. Enough is enough.
basboll 3 years ago
"It certainly is--one of the problems"
Frazier 4 the WC commented after testing LHO's rifle that it was capable of making DP shots w/ no problem . Your problem is that you'll have 2 find a better excuse than calling LHO mr. maggie's drawers , because he shot expert in the Marine Corp. , from the bench rest position , @ twice the distance of DP , something u try hard 2 have a convenient memory lapse about . BTW that description fits u better in your attempts at providing LHO a alibi .
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
If you look at the report most had bolt jambing problems but that's not the point>>
It certainly is--one of the problems with the LN scenario is you had Mr. Maggie's Drawers firing a crappy rifle that WAS likely to jam and he had apparantly nothing but dry firing under a poncho for practice. Close the shooting ranges and hand out the pnochos...maybe LHO's technique will be used from now on to train marine snipers--sure saves on bullets!
basboll 3 years ago
"one of the problems w/ the LN scenario is u had ....firing a crappy rifle that WAS likely to jam"
Yet if offered a substancial amount would blabber mouth basboll sit in a limo on a live firing exercise of LHO's rifle to see if .... basboll ? Where did basboll go to ? :-(
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
"because LHO didn't have multiple tries or warm-up shots?"
He didn't need them because per Marina he spent hours dry firing his weapon under a poncho to build up his dexterity with his weapon and still managed two miss hitting JFK 2 out of 3 shots ! Case Closed !
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
Pt. 2: AGAIN, I thought the DP scenario was supposed to be so EASY for a crack shot, according to you. Why then, did 10 out of 12 experts miss it on their first try, which is relevant because LHO didn't have multiple tries or warm-up shots?
basboll 3 years ago
"Why then, did 10 out of 12 experts miss it"
If you look at the report most had bolt jambing problems but that's not the point . The point is that it was very possible that LHO could of done it on his first try .... something you remain in denial of because your 'Red Romeo' got caught 'Red Handed' and you can't exonerated him because we've reclaimed our history and sham artists like you aren't going to hi--jack it again !
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
"LHO had 1X..hit JFK with 2 shots">>Basboll
He fired 3x >>CDD
Draftsman you don't get it--each attempt represents 3 shots..when did LHO get multiple attempts like the CBS shotoers did?
There might be a day when all the shooters hit all the targets on all attempts .>>CDD
ROFLMAO...Oh really? Would you bet the farm on such a possibility?
basboll 3 years ago
"LHO had 1X..hit JFK with 2 shots">>Basboll
He fired 3x (SHOTS) >>CDD
"Draftsman you don't get it"
You don't get it : If u went back in time & paraded JFK before LHO 12 x's he may only of hit him again 2x on his 4th ,8th or 12th attempt . Your math background in this is as silly , mixed & fouled up as much as everything else you've gotten wrong . Wrong correlation !
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
"LHO had 1X..hit JFK with 2 shots"
He fired 3x . 2 make your comparison make sense , 4 example , the CBS people would have 2 had multiple sessions of 12 attempts . That's how statistic's work . U have averages & mean averages over many attempts . There might be a day when all the shooters hit all the targets on all attempts . If some were able 2 hit 2 out of 3 & 1 person hit 3 out of 3 in 5.6 sec.'s then it's no where near "nearly imposs. & highly improb. for LHO" It's the opposite .
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
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I can see logic , absence of evidence , maybe having a little drifty to the left reasoning is no concern to Basboll who has staked his claim (Wrongly) that LHO is innocent and isn't man enough to admit it despite having every one of his objections answered w/ a logical explanation . What does he provide for his evidence ? What all intellectually dishonest ppl provide when their client is guilty : Questions ! Which are not evidence of anything let alone a conspiracy . Example : If we were
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
P-1
I can see logic , absence of evidence , maybe having a little drifty to the left reasoning is no concern to Basboll who has staked his claim (Wrongly) that LHO is innocent and isn't man enough to admit it despite having every one of his objections answered w/ a logical explanation . What does he provide for his evidence ? What all intellectually dishonest ppl provide when their client is guilty : Questions ! Which are not evidence of anything let alone a
cdddraftsman 3 years ago
:-)
basboll 3 years ago
Draftsman is spamming again...
basboll 3 years ago
To argue LHO was a good enough shot at the time of DP is akin to arguing at .250 hitter who's been retired for four years, hasn't taken BP in a year, and is stepping in the batter's box cold would be ready "go yard" on Johan Santana when 3 active .300 hitters had just been whiffed by him. Possible, but highly unlikely.
basboll 4 years ago
Basboll who has staked his claim (Wrongly) that LHO is innocent>>
I've said LHO couldn't do it alone. It's entirely possible he was one of the shooters. I don't care whether or not he did or did not fire. It's highly unlikely, given the expert testimony of credible shooters like Jim Crossman,Craig Roberts and Carlos Hatchcock and the numerous tests done (even by the WC) that show few shooters could do it alone.
basboll 4 years ago
Marine sniper Carlos Hathcock closely replicated the DP conditions at Quantico and couldn't do LHO's alleged feat. Expert shot Jim Crossman (3 misses on his first CBS test attempt) and Sniper Craig Roberts reached similar conclusions.
But knowing CDD, he'll ignore this or seek to show that all three believed in aliens which of course, negates their credibility with shooting expertise.
basboll 4 years ago
At his best in the Marine Corp. he shot expert at twice the distance of DP . >>cdd
AGAIN, With a superior M-1, not a cheap bolt action rifle that shows a propensity for jamming. Never mind the fact he had several incidents of Maggie's Drawers that made him a mockery as a shooter in the eyes of his fellow marines.
basboll 4 years ago
Marina testified he practiced w/a poncho over his rifle (Blind) O/&O/&O again to build up his dexterity w/ his weapon .>>
The FBI could find no proof he practiced on any ranges in the year before DP...Maybe gun shops should start selling ponchos and blindfolds to their customers instead of recommending practicing on firing ranges (which is what they do) to develop proficiency with a weapon :-)
basboll 4 years ago
"stated LHO was good when motivated"
Yes he was motivated because he was shooting @ a live JFK >>CDD
Yeah, who needs practice when all you need is motivation? Cancel Spring Training now.
I can c statistics & probabilitys aren't your strongest points>>
LOL! If 10 of 12 with better ability than LHO couldn't do it on the first try, which is all LHO had, what are the probabilities LHO did it w/o practice? Slim and none.
basboll 4 years ago