idk about any of u...but...i thought skandor akbar was VERY underrated...but...i think the thing that lessens his impact was/is his staying in the texas/southern territories 4 most of his career...if he were in wwf/nwa-wwe/wcw...hed prolly be top 5 easily...of maybe highter in so if hes in it already...
JJ Dillon is the Phil Jackson of wrestling.......he never gets the respect he deserves because of the talent he had around him but to get them to supplant their egos takes a GREAT manager.
Gary Hart is without a doubt in the top 3 managers ever. The managers in the 80's tended to be much more colorful and loud but Gary was more evil and serious and had that Chicago street vibe charisma when he cut a promo putting his guys over. He managed to bring in monster and foreign heels to feud with the top guys and made really ordinary guys like The Great Kabuki look like total threats. He is one of the only few managers who would have been a success in today's wrestling world.
Estrada isn't at burger king! he owns his own stake house. as far as specialty managers go what about Sherri changing her gimmick to match HBK? I surprised at how decent KellyKElly was live when I saw her on a dark match once.
William Moody as Paul Bearer was incredible, but he was nothing much as Percy Pringle and I watched lots of WCCW / USWA. As Heenan said in his shoots, Pringle was trying to be a Heenan clone and Heenan told him to stop because he was a pale imitation that was not going to make money with that. Sherri ruled in AWA and WWF as a delicious piece of ass who could give and take a butt kicking. I liked a little Jim Mitchell stuff I have seen, but he is not best or worst ever.
Paul Heyman with Brock was not too great, but the psycho yuppie heel manager Paul E. Dangerously ruled, especially in AWA. Fonzie is fine in small doses, but too much of him and his whistle gets real annoying (X Pac heat) quick. Heenan is the greatest manager ever and Jimmy Hart is number 2 best ever. Paul Ellering was a great real life business manager, but on camera was nothing special (only the Road Warriors got him over a little bit as a manager).
Mr. Perfect with Ric Flair was great stuff. Also the build up for SS 92 was great with the whole "which corner will Mr. Perfect be in". It made the manager seem very valuable at that time.
Randy Orton is really the voice of Legacy but it might work if they brought in the million dollar man to manage....i don't see dusty rhodes bringing anything to table. I haven't watched TNA in God knows how long but James Mitchell is the last kind of old school manager I can think of.
i think james mitchell sucked in wcw but i thought he did great with abyss....He was the only thing that made abyss look remotley like a monster, because lets face it, if you watche dabyss when he came around he was shit...until mitchell got ahold of him
God, I miss wrestling managers. There are plenty of wrestlers in WWE and TNA and other places who would be so much better if they had a manager. Here's a question: Who do you think NEEDS a manager, and what kind of manager do you think they should be? (Ex. quiet like Elizabeth, loudmouth like Bobby Heenan, etc).
best manager definitley has to be paul heyman with brock lesnar,you talk about a guy you literally wanted to knock out,but cudnt cos he had this big bad motherfucker like brock lesnar at his side.worst is vicky guerrero,do i even need to explain?
best manager paul ellering because he was a true manager(8ball,skull,chainz,abdullah the butcher,road warriors)he took care of them in the ring and behind the scenes on the road as well
no, niether has bruno sammartino, mick foley or randy savage yet they put koko b ware in it and they were thinking of putting the bushwakers in it. vince, steph and john laonidis need to get the "f" out.
well foley is still in tna so that explains him n bruno desnt wanna go in and savage vince hates cuz he went after stephanie when she was a minor or at least thats the rumor
Armando Estrada was an amazing manager: he was an amazing speaker, could work a crowd like no one's business, and always attracted attention whenever he came on. He was a great compliment to Umaga, and he also made interesting television when he became the GM of ECW. It's such a shame he had to be pushed to wrestle, as I felt that killed his appeal as a smarmy, bark-bigger-than-bite heel manager that just begged for the face to kick his butt. Oh well!
If it wasn't for sable their would still be ugly woman beasts like moolah or may young. sure they were one of the greatest women wrestlers of all time, but they wasn't much to look at. If it wasn't for Sable their would be no Trish Stratus or Lita, and luna vachon would still be a premier diva
Who would actually list Mae Young as one of the greatest women wrestlers of all time, first of all, and second, I could've lived a happier life without sitting through Trish & Lita fucking up half the match and people praising it as the standard for women's wrestling, heh. I'll take Luna over any of them any day, heh. Besides, Madusa was around long before Sable was, was a hell of a lot better wrestler, and wasn't bad looking either, so give me Alundra Blayze too, heh.
@mikey101689 What about the girls pre Sable but post moolah? Alundra, Sunny, etc. Alundra Blaze is a great women wrestler and she was fucking hot. Wendy Richter too.
Pacman jones was pretty bad celebrity in wrestling, He had the charisma of my arse while shitting. He didn't even do one move i don't think but heck TNA are clearly retarded.
She set BACK women's wrestling, unless you think 'revolutionizing" their standing in wrestling was to brand them as 'Divas' and focus on their porn-like bodies rather than having actual wrestling ability. All Sable was was pair of tits that got over for being just that - a pair of tits, and they brought their Women's title out from the graveyard for her as decoration & have kept it ever since. Since Sable there's at least been actually talented wrestlers to win the title, but that she was not
Mae Young, a pioneer? In what sense? Because she wrestled at 80? Moolah did that too and was an actual name in women's wrestling for decades. Mae Young no one ever heard of until WWE made her the 'old horny disgusting woman' comedy act ten years ago, so I'd hardly list her in the same category as those others. But anyway, yes, Sunny was great and a true pioneer because she had something Sable didn't ; actual talent. Outside the ring, heh. Sable didn't really have it anywhere.
Eh, I don't really care if she was a stuck up bitch or not, truth be told. Point being, she wasn't a good 'wrestler' and wasn't a good promo either. She was all look(which I didn't get anyway. yeah yeah, blonde with big tits is the cliche everyone likes, I get it, but she wasn't even great looking imo either. Some old bimbo, certainly not a Pamela Anderson or even a Trish. Plastic fake looking broad, heh) and no real talent, especially compared to others
I notice how with guys like Haku and the Barbarian they need a mouth piece. However, do you think there are some wrestlers that need someone with them to talk to? Perfect Example is Macho King and Queen Sherri. Sherri didn't have to anything but carry around a mirror and just let Macho talk about themselves.
Best: J.J. Dillon Jim Cornette Paul E Dangerously Paul Ellering Bobby Heenan Honorable Mention: Paul Jones Joel Gertner (comedy reasons) Jeff G. Bailey (NWA Wildside/Anarchy) worst: Vince Russo any WWE Diva and/or TNA Knockout Almost any manager today except Larry Sweeney
I'd like to give a huge WTF to Paul Ellering with Rocko. What a way to set fire to a team's reputation. Unfortunately, LOD could not capitalize on the ventriloquist craze of the early 90s. Or did some gimmick obsessed egomaniac just become enamoured with a puppet act at the time?
reh629, you are absolutely right. James J Dillon was the greatest ever. This discussion should be about who is the SECOND greatest manager ever. I personally believe that Jim Cornette fills that role with Precious Paul Ellering coming in third. As far as the worst manager goes, I'd have to give that to Diamond Dallas Page with the Freebirds.
yea Sherri was definetly the best female manager ever. First one to really take any bumps and she took some hard ones from Dusty Rhodes, Hogan, and especially Warrior.
I think one manager who is thought of more as something different is Raven. Johnny Polo. The fact that he did so much in his little time in WWE. A color commentator.radio host, producer.and managing wow.
Also the impact managers can have. Take Survivor Series 1988 Mr. Fuji turns on Demolition and they turn face in minutes
That Demo turn was really special as it was a double turn as the POP turned heel in minutes as well. Too bad the POP was a glorified ripoff of the Road Warriors. Demo were to, but POP moreso, right down to their style of facepaint and their finisher
Someone PLEASE tell me IS Bret Hart all that he's cracked up to be??? For damn sure I never knew the guy except these blasted promos, and god knows I am never going to buy any pro wrestling dvds...probably not even the "Wrestler"
Best wrestler to ever suck as a manager : Piper managing O'Haire in the WWE. That was a huge snorefest. Head was a kool manager, and everyone could buy one, have you ever tried to buy your own Heenan? Daffney as the manager of Davis sucks ass flair and crowbar was funny,with the screams for no reason, but as a manager not at all. "Vincent" in the Nwo was a weak secondary manager, but atleast he left the pink and purple get up in WWF.I have theoriginal Hart Dvd, hes my fav ever, its well worth it
Actually I have been wanting to talk about this. I am one of the few who was glad to see Christian on ECW Tuesday night. I thought that the last episode was one of the best shows that 'ECW' has put on in a long while. There are a lot of new young fans who might not have 'popped' or appreciated the return of Christian.
Personally I would have liked him to side with Jeff Hardy against Matt & Edge, but I get building him up on the minor league show at first. I wouldn't worry about him being banished to the C show because 1 the draft is coming up in April, and 2 guys swap shows so much now I'm not sure why there is a brand split anymore. Anyway, I see Christian dominating ECW much like the Big Show did, then capitalizing on probably Smackdown! in the near future.
Hey, if a star baseball player is out of action for awhile, you let him get the rust out in the minors for a few weeks, no difference here. I wish good things for Christian, and hope he doesn't fall into mid card obscurity.
Would Gary Hart even make the top 10? Come on guys! Hart was Easily the second or third best all time behind only Heenen. The stuff he did in Dallas alone against the Von Erichs was legendary. Throw in his nwa/wcw stints in and he has to be way up there. Plus he is highly redarded as one of the best minds in the history of the business.
As a former manager in the independents,I was many times more over then some of the much more talented wrestlers we had on our shows.I think this was because I knew how to get under the fans skins,entertain them at the same time,and get them to hate the "heels" I was managing.
I'm sorry, but "Legacy" needs a manager, and if you add Sim Snuka and re-add Manu, you're talking about a halfway decent stable of 2nd/3rd generation stars. Shelton Benjamin needs a manager too. And not his "momma." Managers are definitely missed. The problem w/ valets now is that they add nothing to their character. Even Miss Elizabeth and Woman (RIP) added SOMETHING to their wrestlers.
Its such a shame that there aren't many managers in today's wwe. On a side note, i thought Rico was a decent pairing with Billy & Chuck (even tho the entire gimmick was awful).
Also, I know you guys hate JBL, but i think when he fully retires that he would make an OUTSTANDING manager if he so chooses. Look at the heat he draws right now as HBK's "boss." Just saying. Great show guys! Come back soon!
Do You Guys Think Vince Will Do A WCW Reunion Show? Speaking Of Course If WWE And TNA Realized The Money Potenial (If Any) That It Could Make. It Could Be Something Like ECW One Night Stand In '05, But Not Suck.
I'll answer that...hell naw. WCW almost cost him and his family everything. I'll bet he grited his teeth when it came to the Starcade DVD but the money out weighed the anguish. I doubt he(vince mcmahon) would ever prometly(sp) promote WCW past WCW raw with arn anderson doing commentary
We need more frequent show's, i really look forward to seeing new episodes of this show, you do an awesome job. I only wish i could join the table for a came of poker, a drink and a random chat about wrestling, your lucky guys.
Trish started off as valet for Albert and Test and became of the best women's wrestlers. Fabulous Moolah valeted Harley Race WHILE she was Women's Champion
That 1992 Royal Rumble match is still probably my favorite rumble match, and a lot of that is because of Heenan on commentary. Just hearing him go hysterical everytime a star was coming to the ring, like Sid or Bossman or Undertaker or Warlord was brilliant.
Also, Prince Nana is easily at the top of the list as far as current managers go. He's in my top 10, maybe my top 5. The over the top accent, the money factor, the bad treatment of Jade Chung. I hope ROH brings him and the embassy back.
I wish TNA would hire Prince Nana or Larry Sweeney (although I like Sweeney a bit better, Nana would be better for that particular role) as Awesome Kong's mouthpeice, so TNA could stop misusing Cheerleader Melissa as a fucking manager.
Sorry but in my opinion the best manager out there right now is Sweet N SOur Larry Sweeney. He can really get the crowd going and he does a great job when getting involved in his clients matches.
On the horrible side what about when TNA had Sonjay Dutt as Sabu's mouthpiece during the Raven feud. That was horrible
One guy you forgot about was a guy who was a manager on the independents in Texas, but started the career of Steve Austin, The Undertaker, Mick Foley, and others. "The General" Skandor Akbar.
Lol at Eric. I was gonna throw up Daivari, lol. Also what about James Mitchell or Freddie Blassie? WWE treat women like crap and they basically wear nothing and there PG? Oh god when you said celebrity appearance, Donald Trump flooded into my head and David Arquette. Oh god they were bad.
don't know who that guy is. Honestly, I find it down right embarassing to have Mayweather go against the Big Show and win...I mean K Fed against Cena (both are about the same height!!) Mayweather and Show (WTMFH - what the mother fuckin hell??)
They could've had Mayweather against someone shorter, you know! Not someone two times his height and four times his weight!!
IT'S LIKE A TWIG GOING AGAINST A BRICK!! WHAT THE HELL??
Trump was shit, i would have preferred quite a lot of things, especially the mayweather shit. Trump didn't actually pay Lashley and it was so pointless, as a matter of fact it just mad the worse wrestlemania even worse. Trump was terrible to the point that i didn't watch any of it. His theme was the only thing i gave a shit about.
well, yea, that is faked the payment but it MADE SOME DAMN SENSE!! I mean take your pick: Trump vs McMahon in a boring brawl like Long vs Bischoff, or Trump using Lashley against McMahon's Umaga??
and again! Mayweather vs show was TOO DAMN STUPID!
you can see from a mile away that the WWE would let Mayweather win!! Using Big Show against someone scronny as Mayweather is a message:
"If you are famous enough and like to beat up a wrestler, on T.V., McMahon will make it happen!! "
To be honest i don't want to see trump vs mcmahon or lashley vs umaga, both are stale and dull and too top it off we had stone cold being a 'surprise' ref, yay the joy.
Stone Cold is ALWAYS the surprise ref!! whoopie freakin do!!
I am sorry, but the "Battle of the Billionares" looks good on paper.
Flyodd Mayweather vs Big Show doesn't even look good on anything!!
I am sorry, but sure, Battle of Billionares may be one of the worst, but it will never come close as THE WORST because it actually made sense! It was so stupid it works!!
Mayweather vs Big Show never worked and it was stupid on all cylinders!!
Trump run wwe, oh god i'd rather have my mum. As for not believable, i don't give a fuck if you think shiw vs mayweather was shit, because i thought it was shit too but i just prefer him too trump.
Technically, the worst Wrestlemania had to be Wrestlemania Eleven. That was the worst in history. The fact that they put Lawrence Taylor over Bam Bam was utter crap, and the fact that they actually booked that as their main event, puh-lease. In fact there was not much good on WM 11 at all. Every one of the matches were subpar.
Fake Trump vs Fake Rosie made me laugh at how bad it was. The fans near Vince screamed TNA at him. It was an epic fail and one of the worst segments ever. The fake OBAMA AND fake Hilary was decent and Umaga got a shock pop.
Regal and Eugene were a great team. Eugene character logically would need help I don't understand why they broke them up. Regal should try the manager thing again. Funny moment Ric Flair saving the Live Sex Celebration or even Black Snow.
Best managers: Bobby Heenan, Jim Cornette, JJ Dillion, Capt. Lou Albano, Gary Hart.
Worst managers: Slick, Mr. Fuji, Bill Alfonzo,
Wrestling needs to bring back managers.
Lfdjake91 1 year ago
SLICK IS A JIVE SOUL BRO!
Emit79 1 year ago
idk about any of u...but...i thought skandor akbar was VERY underrated...but...i think the thing that lessens his impact was/is his staying in the texas/southern territories 4 most of his career...if he were in wwf/nwa-wwe/wcw...hed prolly be top 5 easily...of maybe highter in so if hes in it already...
jerzeefranky3475 1 year ago
I think cornette should be #2. he's a hilarious hillbilly.
WTS1377 1 year ago
Johnny Polo!
kanedasrifle 1 year ago
bring back mangers no talent in wwe can cut a promo there needed more than ever
nateiow 1 year ago
i was actually a fan of armando alejandro estrada
skellington93 1 year ago
@skellington93 me too
The80srox 1 year ago
@skellington93 Me too. I thought he was great.
Lfdjake91 1 year ago
JJ Dillon is the Phil Jackson of wrestling.......he never gets the respect he deserves because of the talent he had around him but to get them to supplant their egos takes a GREAT manager.
bigdonniekool1 1 year ago
Gary Hart is without a doubt in the top 3 managers ever. The managers in the 80's tended to be much more colorful and loud but Gary was more evil and serious and had that Chicago street vibe charisma when he cut a promo putting his guys over. He managed to bring in monster and foreign heels to feud with the top guys and made really ordinary guys like The Great Kabuki look like total threats. He is one of the only few managers who would have been a success in today's wrestling world.
RSXemperor 1 year ago
Estrada isn't at burger king! he owns his own stake house. as far as specialty managers go what about Sherri changing her gimmick to match HBK? I surprised at how decent KellyKElly was live when I saw her on a dark match once.
Nertrender 1 year ago
jimmy hart?
antsman88 1 year ago
Sensational Sherri was great too. Helped enhance Macho King, Dibiase and even Shawn early in his career.
Gambit455 2 years ago
what about the reverand james mitchell
theRavenTNA1 2 years ago
Percy Pringle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
theRavenTNA1 2 years ago
William Moody as Paul Bearer was incredible, but he was nothing much as Percy Pringle and I watched lots of WCCW / USWA. As Heenan said in his shoots, Pringle was trying to be a Heenan clone and Heenan told him to stop because he was a pale imitation that was not going to make money with that. Sherri ruled in AWA and WWF as a delicious piece of ass who could give and take a butt kicking. I liked a little Jim Mitchell stuff I have seen, but he is not best or worst ever.
MRobert21 1 year ago
i actually remember when hogan joined the nwo...& heenan was on worldwide going "I TOLD YOU SO!!!" ad nauseum the ENTIRE SHOW!!!!!
jerzeefranky3475 2 years ago
"Precious" Paul Ellering with LOD
SolidMike84 2 years ago
and chyna with dx, as there body guard!
kev23ful 2 years ago
bill alfonzo,paul heyman only whe he was with brock!
kev23ful 2 years ago
Paul Heyman with Brock was not too great, but the psycho yuppie heel manager Paul E. Dangerously ruled, especially in AWA. Fonzie is fine in small doses, but too much of him and his whistle gets real annoying (X Pac heat) quick. Heenan is the greatest manager ever and Jimmy Hart is number 2 best ever. Paul Ellering was a great real life business manager, but on camera was nothing special (only the Road Warriors got him over a little bit as a manager).
MRobert21 1 year ago
@MRobert21 I thought Heyman with Brock was great. It was the real last manager/wrestler combo with an old school feel to it
The80srox 1 year ago
if NOT larry sweeney w/morrison...then AUSTIN IDOL!!!!!
jerzeefranky3475 2 years ago
In Texas, Skandor Akbar was a great manager.
Mistertbones 2 years ago
john morrison + larry sweeney = PLATINUM!!!
jerzeefranky3475 2 years ago
Mr. Perfect with Ric Flair was great stuff. Also the build up for SS 92 was great with the whole "which corner will Mr. Perfect be in". It made the manager seem very valuable at that time.
Dunamisdude 2 years ago
what about melina...i thought she was/is a more-than-decent "multi-threat"?
jerzeefranky3475 2 years ago
The Great Khali at 13.48 and kiss cam. Maybe girls are frightened to say no
TheWrestlingLantern 2 years ago
plus "sexual assault cam" has more of a attitude ring to it. I don't think that shit would fly now.
TheWrestlingLantern 2 years ago
Randy Orton is really the voice of Legacy but it might work if they brought in the million dollar man to manage....i don't see dusty rhodes bringing anything to table. I haven't watched TNA in God knows how long but James Mitchell is the last kind of old school manager I can think of.
DeathAdder83 2 years ago
i think james mitchell sucked in wcw but i thought he did great with abyss....He was the only thing that made abyss look remotley like a monster, because lets face it, if you watche dabyss when he came around he was shit...until mitchell got ahold of him
striker15338 2 years ago
It would be great to have seen MVP with a Manager/Agent that would have really put the contract thing over when he first came in
KINGT2123 2 years ago
bill alfonso was sooooo annoying but good with rvd coz rvd is so cool and alfonso is soo not lol
Crookmeisteren 2 years ago
God, I miss wrestling managers. There are plenty of wrestlers in WWE and TNA and other places who would be so much better if they had a manager. Here's a question: Who do you think NEEDS a manager, and what kind of manager do you think they should be? (Ex. quiet like Elizabeth, loudmouth like Bobby Heenan, etc).
ocekit 2 years ago
dude brian kendrick would get so over if he had a manager like bobby heenan to talk him up and get involved in his matches
WWEfan62 2 years ago 2
Harvey Wimpleman was awful.
skinwalkerxxx 2 years ago
I miss the managers. I would love to see managers make a come back. They add a business sense to the sport.
lilspiked 2 years ago 4
Bobby "The Brain" Heenan
Ms. Elizabeth
"Sensational, Scary, Queen" Sherri
"Precious" Paul Ellering
Jim Cornette
"Classy" Freddie Blassie
SolidMike84 2 years ago
larry sweeny heenen and nana!!!!! vckie gets heat!!
dukeydraws 2 years ago
Heeeeeenan!
PunkDrummerboy86 2 years ago
best manager definitley has to be paul heyman with brock lesnar,you talk about a guy you literally wanted to knock out,but cudnt cos he had this big bad motherfucker like brock lesnar at his side.worst is vicky guerrero,do i even need to explain?
KT1778 2 years ago
best manager paul ellering because he was a true manager(8ball,skull,chainz,abdullah the butcher,road warriors)he took care of them in the ring and behind the scenes on the road as well
howiebangin90 2 years ago
Real life manager there, the glue who kept LOD together as one
SolidMike84 2 years ago
paul bearer
mattchewkissmyazz 2 years ago 8
Chyna was a great manager...
NoBrianNoGain 2 years ago 2
Oh shit, i don't think i mentioned K-FED, one of the reasons why i can't take cena serious when he kicks out of finishers.
roh1234 2 years ago
they put koko b ware in the hall of fame, whos next paul roma or the brawler
utubacount14789 2 years ago
Kim Chee probably!
wwegold 2 years ago
Has Owen Hart been put into the WWE HOF yet?
NoBrianNoGain 2 years ago
no, niether has bruno sammartino, mick foley or randy savage yet they put koko b ware in it and they were thinking of putting the bushwakers in it. vince, steph and john laonidis need to get the "f" out.
utubacount14789 2 years ago
well foley is still in tna so that explains him n bruno desnt wanna go in and savage vince hates cuz he went after stephanie when she was a minor or at least thats the rumor
jblive1985 2 years ago
Armando Estrada was an amazing manager: he was an amazing speaker, could work a crowd like no one's business, and always attracted attention whenever he came on. He was a great compliment to Umaga, and he also made interesting television when he became the GM of ECW. It's such a shame he had to be pushed to wrestle, as I felt that killed his appeal as a smarmy, bark-bigger-than-bite heel manager that just begged for the face to kick his butt. Oh well!
Psychoblue 2 years ago 3
Great comment!
NoBrianNoGain 2 years ago
If it wasn't for sable their would still be ugly woman beasts like moolah or may young. sure they were one of the greatest women wrestlers of all time, but they wasn't much to look at. If it wasn't for Sable their would be no Trish Stratus or Lita, and luna vachon would still be a premier diva
mikey101689 2 years ago
Who would actually list Mae Young as one of the greatest women wrestlers of all time, first of all, and second, I could've lived a happier life without sitting through Trish & Lita fucking up half the match and people praising it as the standard for women's wrestling, heh. I'll take Luna over any of them any day, heh. Besides, Madusa was around long before Sable was, was a hell of a lot better wrestler, and wasn't bad looking either, so give me Alundra Blayze too, heh.
-E
WrestlingRoundtable 2 years ago 4
@mikey101689 What about the girls pre Sable but post moolah? Alundra, Sunny, etc. Alundra Blaze is a great women wrestler and she was fucking hot. Wendy Richter too.
keh678 2 months ago
Pacman jones was pretty bad celebrity in wrestling, He had the charisma of my arse while shitting. He didn't even do one move i don't think but heck TNA are clearly retarded.
roh1234 2 years ago
Good call
-E, Wrestling Roundtable
WrestlingRoundtable 2 years ago
Cheers.
roh1234 2 years ago
Gary Hart was second only to Heenan as Greatest Manager EVER!!!
RobieWCooley 2 years ago 3
Sable sucks what!!! she helped revolutionize women's wrestling their would be no Trish Stratus without sable
mikey101689 2 years ago
She set BACK women's wrestling, unless you think 'revolutionizing" their standing in wrestling was to brand them as 'Divas' and focus on their porn-like bodies rather than having actual wrestling ability. All Sable was was pair of tits that got over for being just that - a pair of tits, and they brought their Women's title out from the graveyard for her as decoration & have kept it ever since. Since Sable there's at least been actually talented wrestlers to win the title, but that she was not
-E
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Sweetguy9009 2 years ago
Mae Young, a pioneer? In what sense? Because she wrestled at 80? Moolah did that too and was an actual name in women's wrestling for decades. Mae Young no one ever heard of until WWE made her the 'old horny disgusting woman' comedy act ten years ago, so I'd hardly list her in the same category as those others. But anyway, yes, Sunny was great and a true pioneer because she had something Sable didn't ; actual talent. Outside the ring, heh. Sable didn't really have it anywhere.
-E
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Sweetguy9009 2 years ago
Eh, I don't really care if she was a stuck up bitch or not, truth be told. Point being, she wasn't a good 'wrestler' and wasn't a good promo either. She was all look(which I didn't get anyway. yeah yeah, blonde with big tits is the cliche everyone likes, I get it, but she wasn't even great looking imo either. Some old bimbo, certainly not a Pamela Anderson or even a Trish. Plastic fake looking broad, heh) and no real talent, especially compared to others
-E, Wrestling Roundtable
WrestlingRoundtable 2 years ago
I notice how with guys like Haku and the Barbarian they need a mouth piece. However, do you think there are some wrestlers that need someone with them to talk to? Perfect Example is Macho King and Queen Sherri. Sherri didn't have to anything but carry around a mirror and just let Macho talk about themselves.
flacohombre 2 years ago
Guys...what about Freddie Blassie?
frenzyrocks1020 2 years ago 2
ebbowman 2 years ago
Best: Bobby Heenan
Worst: Harvey Whippleman
I hated Harvey.. so annoying.
VeNeM999 2 years ago
if you hated him and he was annoying, then he did his job well
666rocko 2 years ago 2
Not the OMG I hate that heel manager type thing, I just couldnt stand him. He didnt seem like he even had a purpose.
VeNeM999 2 years ago
jackel was a suckey manager
ArmondoeCruze 2 years ago
Best: Eric Bischoff (nWo)
Worst: Vicky Guerrero (lame hag)
tchen10 2 years ago
I never knew Eric w/ nWo
but yeah, we can all agree Vicky's the worst manager.
RandomMindz 2 years ago
I'd like to give a huge WTF to Paul Ellering with Rocko. What a way to set fire to a team's reputation. Unfortunately, LOD could not capitalize on the ventriloquist craze of the early 90s. Or did some gimmick obsessed egomaniac just become enamoured with a puppet act at the time?
bdomino2112 2 years ago
About the female managers the best had to be sable
Littlegray24 2 years ago
No Way Out was really, really good.
thelagacy08 2 years ago
Go Johnny Polo!
Cyrusthevirus 2 years ago
jj dillon was the best manager ever.
reh629 2 years ago
reh629, you are absolutely right. James J Dillon was the greatest ever. This discussion should be about who is the SECOND greatest manager ever. I personally believe that Jim Cornette fills that role with Precious Paul Ellering coming in third. As far as the worst manager goes, I'd have to give that to Diamond Dallas Page with the Freebirds.
TheBlueCollarScholar 2 years ago
Managers these days suck, you have to have fake tits to be one, it's stupid, the best managers have always been men
shutupwhiteguy 2 years ago
yea Sherri was definetly the best female manager ever. First one to really take any bumps and she took some hard ones from Dusty Rhodes, Hogan, and especially Warrior.
I think one manager who is thought of more as something different is Raven. Johnny Polo. The fact that he did so much in his little time in WWE. A color commentator.radio host, producer.and managing wow.
Also the impact managers can have. Take Survivor Series 1988 Mr. Fuji turns on Demolition and they turn face in minutes
hitmen1116 2 years ago
That Demo turn was really special as it was a double turn as the POP turned heel in minutes as well. Too bad the POP was a glorified ripoff of the Road Warriors. Demo were to, but POP moreso, right down to their style of facepaint and their finisher
RoderickStrong 2 years ago
ALRIGHT!!
Someone PLEASE tell me IS Bret Hart all that he's cracked up to be??? For damn sure I never knew the guy except these blasted promos, and god knows I am never going to buy any pro wrestling dvds...probably not even the "Wrestler"
RandomMindz 2 years ago
Best wrestler to ever suck as a manager : Piper managing O'Haire in the WWE. That was a huge snorefest. Head was a kool manager, and everyone could buy one, have you ever tried to buy your own Heenan? Daffney as the manager of Davis sucks ass flair and crowbar was funny,with the screams for no reason, but as a manager not at all. "Vincent" in the Nwo was a weak secondary manager, but atleast he left the pink and purple get up in WWF.I have theoriginal Hart Dvd, hes my fav ever, its well worth it
redfury0156 3 years ago
Bobby Heenan's always been #1 on my list.....Jim Cornette was GREAT and Sherri might be the best female manager ever
miggy25 3 years ago
I thought James Mitchell was decent. He was good with Abyss.
AndudeDrew 3 years ago
This Is Totally Off Topic, But How You Guys Christian Will Do On ECW?
thelagacy08 3 years ago
i really dont think they care about christian
tommo3131 3 years ago
Actually I have been wanting to talk about this. I am one of the few who was glad to see Christian on ECW Tuesday night. I thought that the last episode was one of the best shows that 'ECW' has put on in a long while. There are a lot of new young fans who might not have 'popped' or appreciated the return of Christian.
PesciFTW 3 years ago
Personally I would have liked him to side with Jeff Hardy against Matt & Edge, but I get building him up on the minor league show at first. I wouldn't worry about him being banished to the C show because 1 the draft is coming up in April, and 2 guys swap shows so much now I'm not sure why there is a brand split anymore. Anyway, I see Christian dominating ECW much like the Big Show did, then capitalizing on probably Smackdown! in the near future.
PesciFTW 3 years ago
Hey, if a star baseball player is out of action for awhile, you let him get the rust out in the minors for a few weeks, no difference here. I wish good things for Christian, and hope he doesn't fall into mid card obscurity.
-an O.G. Peep, Midge 'Bret', Wrestling Roundtable
PesciFTW 3 years ago
Would Gary Hart even make the top 10? Come on guys! Hart was Easily the second or third best all time behind only Heenen. The stuff he did in Dallas alone against the Von Erichs was legendary. Throw in his nwa/wcw stints in and he has to be way up there. Plus he is highly redarded as one of the best minds in the history of the business.
trendsetter74 3 years ago
John Fairplay lol the pain the pain of it all
helpmedie91111 3 years ago
As a former manager in the independents,I was many times more over then some of the much more talented wrestlers we had on our shows.I think this was because I knew how to get under the fans skins,entertain them at the same time,and get them to hate the "heels" I was managing.
Ed Knowlegde
WastedTimeVideos 3 years ago
I'm sorry, but "Legacy" needs a manager, and if you add Sim Snuka and re-add Manu, you're talking about a halfway decent stable of 2nd/3rd generation stars. Shelton Benjamin needs a manager too. And not his "momma." Managers are definitely missed. The problem w/ valets now is that they add nothing to their character. Even Miss Elizabeth and Woman (RIP) added SOMETHING to their wrestlers.
Bknowledge 3 years ago
as Eric wrote to me once on the wrestlingroundtable website
Legacy = whites only
RandomMindz 2 years ago
great show but i think jimmy hart ahould have got more props but otherwise superb show!
joescout 3 years ago
Another awesome show...What about DDP when he was in AWA with "B-A-Double D: BAAADDD COMPANY!" (lol)
Sometimes the diva managers do workout. Melina's been okay in the ring...
gabynum1919 3 years ago
Its such a shame that there aren't many managers in today's wwe. On a side note, i thought Rico was a decent pairing with Billy & Chuck (even tho the entire gimmick was awful).
Also, I know you guys hate JBL, but i think when he fully retires that he would make an OUTSTANDING manager if he so chooses. Look at the heat he draws right now as HBK's "boss." Just saying. Great show guys! Come back soon!
majorU2fan 3 years ago
What about "The Grand Wizard of Wrestling"?
Frank15982 3 years ago
Do You Guys Think Vince Will Do A WCW Reunion Show? Speaking Of Course If WWE And TNA Realized The Money Potenial (If Any) That It Could Make. It Could Be Something Like ECW One Night Stand In '05, But Not Suck.
thelagacy08 3 years ago
I'll answer that...hell naw. WCW almost cost him and his family everything. I'll bet he grited his teeth when it came to the Starcade DVD but the money out weighed the anguish. I doubt he(vince mcmahon) would ever prometly(sp) promote WCW past WCW raw with arn anderson doing commentary
trajiklastat 3 years ago
We need more frequent show's, i really look forward to seeing new episodes of this show, you do an awesome job. I only wish i could join the table for a came of poker, a drink and a random chat about wrestling, your lucky guys.
TempestKane 3 years ago
Don't forget Ralphus. Thata Baby!!!!
WickedNemesis 3 years ago
Trish started off as valet for Albert and Test and became of the best women's wrestlers. Fabulous Moolah valeted Harley Race WHILE she was Women's Champion
WickedNemesis 3 years ago
That 1992 Royal Rumble match is still probably my favorite rumble match, and a lot of that is because of Heenan on commentary. Just hearing him go hysterical everytime a star was coming to the ring, like Sid or Bossman or Undertaker or Warlord was brilliant.
Also, Prince Nana is easily at the top of the list as far as current managers go. He's in my top 10, maybe my top 5. The over the top accent, the money factor, the bad treatment of Jade Chung. I hope ROH brings him and the embassy back.
homebrewer03 3 years ago
Not enough mentions of Sunny.
She may have been the start of WWEs "T&A valets" but she was also a really great manager.
She was good on the mic, got her groups over and added a whole extra dimension to the storylines.
It's a real shame WWE decided to just try and copy her look and not get people with her level of talent.
CKNola 3 years ago
cool vid guys, not sure if you've done a vid on this already but how about "The Greatest Jobbers" of all time, just a thought
vogras 3 years ago
how can you forget the late great classie freddie blassie?
psychodude44 3 years ago 3
I wish TNA would hire Prince Nana or Larry Sweeney (although I like Sweeney a bit better, Nana would be better for that particular role) as Awesome Kong's mouthpeice, so TNA could stop misusing Cheerleader Melissa as a fucking manager.
RoderickStrong 3 years ago
Ranjin Singh's real name is actually Dave Kapoor.
RoderickStrong 3 years ago
okay, next vid, those TnA divas are now known as "breastlers." Either awesome or the worst ever.
Everything234 3 years ago
too much rambling at the end
imstr8ill 3 years ago
Gee, thanks so much
WrestlingRoundtable 3 years ago
The best managers today, are defenitively Prince Nana and Larry Sweeney...
DarkPascual 3 years ago
i wish the embassy where still togather it was weird seeing daizee haze as a heel.
psychodude44 3 years ago
13:46: "Arab Bischoff" LOL!!
boykinrd 3 years ago 2
Wrong on so many levels yet funny on so many more .
Joeybsmooth 3 years ago
The only reason why Mortimer Plumtree even had a job in TNA was because he was good friends with Borash
RoderickStrong 3 years ago
Oo " 9:30 - 12:30"
you guys should have a clip discussing WWE Divas/TNA Knockouts, and women of wrestling today!
OH GOD!! You guys heard of WOW? Women of Wrestling???
RandomMindz 3 years ago
Hey Wrestling Roundtable, did you guys do a Favorite/Worst Finishers list? Hit me back!
7TelMVP 3 years ago
Sorry but in my opinion the best manager out there right now is Sweet N SOur Larry Sweeney. He can really get the crowd going and he does a great job when getting involved in his clients matches.
On the horrible side what about when TNA had Sonjay Dutt as Sabu's mouthpiece during the Raven feud. That was horrible
miramsfan 3 years ago 2
wrestling roundtable, what's your myspace?
Y2JFanRJ 3 years ago
Sensational Sherri hands down. I loved it when she would get an atomic drop and u would get 2 c her panties!!
hollaatmeross 3 years ago
I love the shot at Bret by pointing out that Nitro had wrestling instead of promos.
Mistertbones 3 years ago
I always liked Lanny Poffo (The Genius) as Mr Perfect's advisor.
Blackburn35 3 years ago
One guy you forgot about was a guy who was a manager on the independents in Texas, but started the career of Steve Austin, The Undertaker, Mick Foley, and others. "The General" Skandor Akbar.
Mistertbones 3 years ago
They also forgot Paul Jones, and The Grand Wizard. and not to mention Classy Freddie Blassie
RoderickStrong 3 years ago
wizard and blassie were there
Rkoforlife11 3 years ago
They had a lot of good points.
But I believe Gary Hart was one of the best ,along with Skandar Akbar.
Its all about the right combo with manager/wrestler.
John Tolos in WWe could've worked with the right wrestler. And James Mitchell is good with the right wrestler as well.
The Tenessee Lee/Jeff Jarret had a lot of potential,just knowing they had a lot of history together.
rtenny7 3 years ago
Akbar gave The Undertaker his start.
Mistertbones 3 years ago
IT'S A TRAP!!
RandomMindz 2 years ago
Playboy Gary Hart
13redsox 3 years ago
Armando Estrada was fucked with the WWE!! He was a great manager, AND a great wrestler!! It's a damn shame the WWE dropped him like nothing!!
RandomMindz 3 years ago 2
Slick is amzing
You guys gotta watch his Music Video JIVE SOUL BRO
justinmARIO 3 years ago
Lol at Eric. I was gonna throw up Daivari, lol. Also what about James Mitchell or Freddie Blassie? WWE treat women like crap and they basically wear nothing and there PG? Oh god when you said celebrity appearance, Donald Trump flooded into my head and David Arquette. Oh god they were bad.
roh1234 3 years ago
NO NO!!
Flyod Mayweather's the WORST!!
At least Trump Hired Lashley to fight!!
RandomMindz 3 years ago
Mayweather? No, the worst has to be Arquette. At least they never gave Mayweather a damn world title, and at least Mayweather is an actual athlete
RoderickStrong 3 years ago
don't know who that guy is. Honestly, I find it down right embarassing to have Mayweather go against the Big Show and win...I mean K Fed against Cena (both are about the same height!!) Mayweather and Show (WTMFH - what the mother fuckin hell??)
They could've had Mayweather against someone shorter, you know! Not someone two times his height and four times his weight!!
IT'S LIKE A TWIG GOING AGAINST A BRICK!! WHAT THE HELL??
(reading about arquette) AHH Good pick ;)
RandomMindz 3 years ago
Oo again Arquette, good pick
RandomMindz 2 years ago
Trump was dull, at least mayweather brought something to the table.
roh1234 3 years ago
OO
I am sorry, but again...TRUMP paid LASHLEY to fight FOR HIM!! Against UMAGA!!
I cannot take a company seriously when they have people of Mayweather/Mysterio's size beating people big as Kane/Show...
I mean for godsakes, the crowd booed Mayweather!!
If you ask me, Trump/Lashley vs McMahon/Umaga was VERY intriging. It made sense!! Billionare vs Billionare!
The only thing I take away from it is their bs scuffles in conferences, and Trump not keeping his pick a secret.
RandomMindz 3 years ago
Trump was shit, i would have preferred quite a lot of things, especially the mayweather shit. Trump didn't actually pay Lashley and it was so pointless, as a matter of fact it just mad the worse wrestlemania even worse. Trump was terrible to the point that i didn't watch any of it. His theme was the only thing i gave a shit about.
roh1234 2 years ago
well, yea, that is faked the payment but it MADE SOME DAMN SENSE!! I mean take your pick: Trump vs McMahon in a boring brawl like Long vs Bischoff, or Trump using Lashley against McMahon's Umaga??
and again! Mayweather vs show was TOO DAMN STUPID!
you can see from a mile away that the WWE would let Mayweather win!! Using Big Show against someone scronny as Mayweather is a message:
"If you are famous enough and like to beat up a wrestler, on T.V., McMahon will make it happen!! "
RandomMindz 2 years ago
The again, it is the WWE were talking about here. The same WWE that put Pete Friggin' Rose into a WRESTLING Hall Of Fame
RoderickStrong 2 years ago
To be honest i don't want to see trump vs mcmahon or lashley vs umaga, both are stale and dull and too top it off we had stone cold being a 'surprise' ref, yay the joy.
roh1234 2 years ago
Stone Cold is ALWAYS the surprise ref!! whoopie freakin do!!
I am sorry, but the "Battle of the Billionares" looks good on paper.
Flyodd Mayweather vs Big Show doesn't even look good on anything!!
I am sorry, but sure, Battle of Billionares may be one of the worst, but it will never come close as THE WORST because it actually made sense! It was so stupid it works!!
Mayweather vs Big Show never worked and it was stupid on all cylinders!!
RandomMindz 2 years ago
Either way they both suck, i just think donald sucked more than mayweather.
roh1234 2 years ago
NOTE: Mayweather FOUGHT the BIG SHOW!!
160lbs vs 500lbs see the problem here???
How can you put trump, who did nothing (good!!) over Mayweather fighting a giant?
RandomMindz 2 years ago
To be honest Big Show meant fuck all anyway, Trump was dull at least the mayweather thing had some excitement to it.
roh1234 2 years ago
Well...I MEANT
160lbs vs 500lbs
BIG PROBLEM!!
Remeber the wrestlemania when Show went against a real life Sumo wrestler
THAT MADE SENSE!! Giant vs Giant!!
Mayweather vs Show
David vs Goliath, and frankly....THIS IS NOT THE BIBLE!!
Trump vs McMahon dumb
Trump having Lashley vs Umaga by McMahon NOT SO Dumb!
Shave McMahon's head - well that's different...honestly I'd like to see Trump run the WWE XD!!!
RandomMindz 2 years ago
Trump run wwe, oh god i'd rather have my mum. As for not believable, i don't give a fuck if you think shiw vs mayweather was shit, because i thought it was shit too but i just prefer him too trump.
roh1234 2 years ago
key words
160 vs 500
and I am sticking to that!!
but we can all agree our picks were some of the worst WWE moments...
let's be honest, who the hell would have a celebrity come out and say
HEY SHAVE MY HEAD!!
Nope, it had to be vince to get the bald treatment!
Even I saw that a mile away
RandomMindz 2 years ago
WWE. lol. Well lets jsut say WWE as whole is bad, well bad is an understatement.
roh1234 2 years ago
howse this from George Carlin
STUNNINGLY, STUNNINGLY FULL OF SHIT!!
RandomMindz 2 years ago
Technically, the worst Wrestlemania had to be Wrestlemania Eleven. That was the worst in history. The fact that they put Lawrence Taylor over Bam Bam was utter crap, and the fact that they actually booked that as their main event, puh-lease. In fact there was not much good on WM 11 at all. Every one of the matches were subpar.
RoderickStrong 2 years ago
Fair enough, i haven't checked those results but all i know was that wrestlemania 23 was terrible.
roh1234 2 years ago
True, but did the fake Trump vs. The Fake Rosie O'Donnell make sense? What about the fake Hillary vs. The fake Obama?
RoderickStrong 2 years ago
some of the most wasted precious minutes of my life!!
RandomMindz 2 years ago
Lol
roh1234 2 years ago
Fake Trump vs Fake Rosie made me laugh at how bad it was. The fans near Vince screamed TNA at him. It was an epic fail and one of the worst segments ever. The fake OBAMA AND fake Hilary was decent and Umaga got a shock pop.
roh1234 2 years ago
I'll be honest, I hated all managers in the WWE because they always help the heels win, which is always bogus. But that was me in a kid fan mindset.
Unfortunately, as a WWE fan from 1998, the only manager I considered great was..
e.e
....Paul Heyman w/ Brock Leasner.
RandomMindz 3 years ago
james mitchell was pretty good in tna with abyss
instantclassicg1 3 years ago
Shelton would be WWE champ if he had a Bobby or a Captain Lou, even better with a slick .
I want Slick back lol.
Joeybsmooth 3 years ago 2
Don't you mean "A Pimp Named Slickback"? lol
manticore6989 3 years ago
LOL
HEY!! that's an idea for a CAW!!!
finisher: Bitch Slap!
RandomMindz 3 years ago
Boondocks owns!
Just sayin'.
manticore6989 3 years ago
Oliver Plumtree and the Giant Wrestling Penises in TNA from 2002?
I don't mean to sound retarded or like a jackass, but who were you talking about?
manticore6989 3 years ago
There was a tag teamn in TNA when it first started out. They were the Johnsons, and they dressed up like giant dicks.
Drjkl924 3 years ago
aka Gemini!
and who the hell thought about that???
RandomMindz 3 years ago
luna vachon was good. quite underrated with bam bam, n she had a good tym with goldust.
BIGBarseman23 3 years ago
"The best and worst celebrity appearances."
Thoughts of David Arquette rush through the rountable's minds, ending the show on a terrible note.
tjwwe 3 years ago
hey this is a good show but i just had a idea best and worst women wrestler
clm2440 3 years ago
How much did you guys get paid, if anything, for that advertisement in between both parts of your video?
TheClique17 3 years ago
Santino needs to be a manager.Hell he might as well be Beth's.
RantNRavinFection 3 years ago
Regal and Eugene were a great team. Eugene character logically would need help I don't understand why they broke them up. Regal should try the manager thing again. Funny moment Ric Flair saving the Live Sex Celebration or even Black Snow.
PTPspdy29 3 years ago