@isl333 yes israel belonged to the 12 tribes of israel but NOT ashkeNAZI khazarian fake non jews that have destroyed mankind with the disease of greed. U r thieving deceitful non humans. Ok snake people. Hide behind your lies all you like. Mankind' righteousness and seeking of truth will always expose you. Also u ppl have a so-called homeland near the caucasus incidently. We GOYIM are not falling for it anymore
@herbivore007 the misspelling is just too delicious...the mental image of finklestein using shlomo as a whip and punishing the floor for it's insolence is priceless
You are probably right, the Jewish people on the whole are considered a bright people. Their intelligence can be utilised to the favour or detriment of those around them.
Actually, international law is the law of the day. Roman, arab conquests were illegal. Furthermore, UN charter has agreed there is no statute of limitations to war crimes - that means that burnign down the jewish temple in Jerusalem, murdering and expelling the Jews form their homeland is a war crime, even tho it was done hundreds of years ago.
@middlemanscaggs Ancient Roman Law has different legal implications than modern U.N law. Modern U.N law has all countries as signatories, willingly submitting,whereas Roman Law was imposed and therefore a "might makes right" law. You're correct that there is no statute of limitations on certain crimes but the laws themselves are not retroactive. For example Mexico can't bring the U.S to trial for Arizona, New Mexico and Texas because the law wasn't written yet.
@middlemanscaggs I guess in a way. There is overwhelming evidence that celts and northern europeans were here even before that asians cross over. The genetic evidence of some native americans in the northeast around the great lakes and in america prove they had european dna WAY before European (re)settlement of America. Just google the subject and honestly look at all the information that has been hid from the mainstream for politically correct implications.
The Native Americans may derive from Eurasiansm which means as far east of Russia, China, Japan etc. if they came to the Americas 10,000 years ago, it was not inhabited by humans.
What evidence do you have for Celtic DNA? Perhaps its from the vikings, or the early settlers who raped the natives.
@middlemanscaggs The laws Dr. Finkelstein is referring to are not retroactive. The various laws and resolutions passed by the U.N that pertain to this situation were inacted between 49-74. Any events after the passage of these laws are subject to their jurisdiction. Otherwise, there would be a huge mess figuring out who should live were. It seems to be the only reasonable way to go about international law.
@senortonyful "The laws Dr. Finkelstein is referring to are not retroactive. The various laws and resolutions passed by the U.N that pertain to this situation were inacted between 49-74"
So Jordanian whatever jordanian did in 48 - burning temples, expelling jews is not subject of UN law?
When Jewish Americans rise to the challenge of calling for withdrawal of Israel from occupied Palestinian Territory....and when American citizens rise to the challenge of investigating the false flag operation known as the 9/11 world trade centre destruction.....then the sheep will have enlightened themselves, and will no longer allow the British/American/Israeli corporate oligarchy to war and exploit weaker foreign nations for resources and strategic positioning in the Mid-East and elsewhere.
Norman Finkelstein, you barbarian. You, with your power and influence in educational and political spheres. You, a Jew who fights against Jews and their homeland. You support Jews' enemies. Book profiteer!
@keatsblake100 its funny...by your very remarks you are just making his points. these are: criticism of israel is antisemitism. antisemitism cannot be disproven so everybody is guilty by default. this makes any criticism a dangerous position and the potential defamation of being an antisemitis a political weapon. no government, none, is beyond making mistakes but israel has too long been successfully hiding behind the rhetoric shield of "you are an antiemite". its about time this comes to an end
@chriswalmer It will never come to an end. Using antisemitism as a political strategy is nothing new. Blacks in America have been doing the same with anti African-American racism for years. It's an inevitable outcome among marginalized minority groups. In fact, given the intensity of hatred and brutality against Jews in classical and modern times, it is only natural that some will use antisemitism unscrupulously. Basic sociology.
@keatsblake100 I am not sure I follow your logic. I believe the point here is that the horrible history is used as a weapon to legitimate your own wrong doing. I cannot see that afro-americans try to cover up any wrongdoing on their part. Yes, they ask for "reparation" for what has been done to them. BUT, do they ask to stand outside the criminal legal system? when looking at US prison statistics I cannot get that impression. I think the analogy is false. even if so, two wrongs dont...
@chriswalmer I don't know if you're an antisemite, but I can tell you something interesting. There has been a study carried out recently (I don't know if the results have been published yet) to show a correlation between people who are against the state of Israel and those who are antisemites. The results show that most people who don't like Israel are also antisemites.
It doesn't sound at all like you are against Israel, but rather a careful critic of its policies.
@keatsblake100 Hi, I would be very interested to learn more about this analysis. do you ask people whether they are antisemits? do you expect people to say "yes"? I doubt it but one thing is clear: if you would ask antisemitists whether they are critics of israel then you will get 100% correlation. but, frankly, that is rubbish statistics. you could as well go to prison and ask the inmates whether they had been breastfed. Well, we would probably conclude from that, that the majority of inmates
@chriswalmer OK, I'll have more time to reply later, but for now:
I just did a quick search of othe topic of anti-Israel/antisemitism and found the following article on Google. It is called: "Anti-Israel sentiment predicts anti-semitism in Europe." If you google that I'm sure you'll find it. I only had time to read the abstract, because I think you'll have to pay a couple of dollars to read the whole article from the journal in which it is published, at Yale University.
@chriswalmer I'll be sure to pay for and download the article to read on my own in a short while. But before I go, I urge you to reconsider the idea that Antisemtism doesn't exist anymore. In fact, it does very much exist, and though it's not the same antisemtism as the classical, medieval kind, it is alive and well today.
@chriswalmer OK, it's easier to find the article than I thought. I won't even have to send it to you. Simply type in "anti-Israeli sentiment predicts antisemiticsm in Europe" and then type "PDF" right after that. You'll find it on a google search. Hope you find it interesting!
@keatsblake100 and because of that all peopel that are breastfed will go to prison. the much more interesting study would be to ask all critics of israel whether they are as well antisemites. you see what a dfference it makes who you aks for the conclusion. I frankly doubt that there are many antisemites these days. radical islamists maybe but do they have an ear these days?
@chriswalmer I only know that Israel is surrounded by hostile people on all borders and in every direction. I wonder how much peace there would be if Palestinians were granted all they wanted. Isn't the real problem an ideological one? Isn't the real problem a religion-based one, firmly grounded in Islamic hatred towards Jews?
Jews were (and are) hated by Christians for their rejection of Christ. Muslims have verses in the Qu'ran indicating Jews as their greatest enemies.
@keatsblake100 do you think the palestinians hate the jews more than the other way around? to look at it from that perspective you come right into the question of guilt and responsbility. so who is guilty? the palestinians because they hate the jews? because of the koran? or maybe the colonists who gave the land? or jews because they have in their scripture that they are the chosen people? or religion in general? all of them? where does this observation lead us? I think to eternal war...
@chriswalmer If in Christian Europe, where Jews controlled no land and had far fewer rights than the European citizen, they were still hated and accused carrying out or being capable of carrying out the worst crimes possible, how can one believe there will ever be peace?
That is why Israel will always have to defend itself against Islamic extremism, and that is why Muslims will always carry in their hearts a deep desire to destroy all Jews.
@keatsblake100 I think you are moving away from the topic. your attitude appaers to be fatalistic "there is no chance for peace". well, does that justify everything? islamic extremism is younger than israel. the palestine/israel conflict exists as long as the situation is there but widespread islamic fundamentalism isnt that old. nobody can really know but it appears to me that the very conflict between israel/ usa and palestine is the focal point for extremism. egg versus hen?
@chriswalmer I read the study and found it very interesting. Did you get a chance to read it? I found a free PDF version online, so I didn't have to pay to download it. I hope more studies like it will be done in the future, in order to either support or challenge the findings.
@keatsblake100 who did the study? I'd be interested to read it. can you send it to me? but lets assume for a moment that 100% of antisemites are critical of israel. I think what you DID say was that they are "against" israel. well, if someone is adamantly against israel then that is something like a legal definition of an antisemite so no study would have to be undertaken. does the study prove that all critics of israels politics are antisemites? I would think that this study must come from adl
@chriswalmer You're mistaken about Chomsky and his brand of "criticism." Chomsky is not just an ordinary critic of Israeli policy. He is an extreme critic. There is a difference. For example, most of Chomsky's books are critiques of U.S. foreign policy. If you read his books, you will notice he labels the U.S. as a '"rogue," or criminal state, which carries out terrorist operations in foreign countries or aids other countries in perpetrating crimes against humanity. He is a radical critic.
@keatsblake100 Hi, I am following Chomsky quite closely and read his books. I am afraid I do agree with him. US foreign policy is not driven by democratisation or whatever pretext they come up with. It is oil and interest or control over the world. I think this is hardly debateable or do you really believe its about democratisation? I mean, was egyp democratic? or saudi arabia? or is pakistan or the warlords of afghanistan? I believe his criticism is very well justified and is demasking.
@keatsblake100 and it goes without saying that the political establishment, which holds little respect for the very people they have sworn to care for, is not amused to have a mirror held infront of them and show them and the people what REALLY goes on. thats why they demonise wikileaks so much. they fear their very power i.e. lying in the face of people and the world is uncovered! of course they call the likes of chomsky "radical".. I cannot see anything radical in his views..
@chriswalmer The study was carried out at Yale University by the Institute for Social and Policy Studies and the Institute for the Study of Global Antisemitism and Policy. I'll send it to you. When you read it, you will see that that it is a simple and careful study of the relationship between the degree of criticism Europeans hold about Israel and their degree of corresponding antisemitic sentiment - if any at all. The study controlled for as many confounding variables as possible.
@keatsblake100 I will certainly have a look at it. thanks for pointing it out. that said, are you surprised to hear that the more emotional someone argues against israel the more likely it is that there are antisemitic tendencies running in the background? but even if so, how many of israel critics ARE antisemites and how many are simply critical? to conclude that ALL are antisemitic and that cricism shall not be allowed is a disservice to the interest of israel..and it will back and haunt them.
@keatsblake100 look at the footnote.. its just as I suspected...no need to read that type of propaganda material: The data for this study were provided by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), and while we thank the ADL for sharing their data with us, the viewsexpressed in this article are ours and do not represent the official positions or policies of the ADL
@chriswalmer The study does not claim to have discovered anything. Instead, like most studies, it only points to persuasive conclusions about its hypothesis. The research design supports the data and hypothesis, that's all. If the data did not support the hypothesis, the research team would be under obligation to state that. However, as it turns out - in this particular study - the greater one's anti-Israel feelings, the greater the likelihood that he or she is antisemitic.
@keatsblake100 Hi, sorry for the late reply. well, I guess one has to agree that a) who you ask b) how you ask and many other points influence the data/answers. with the raw data you can do a lot of statistical tricks but in the end, there is only so much in the data. 500 people from ALL countries is nothing and you would wonder how they picked them. sorry, but I attribute ZERO credibility to a study that has been performed by the ADL. that is one way how the defamation practice of ADL backires
@keatsblake100 finkelsteins says a lot about israel politics. so does chomsky and the UN, human rights organisations, amnesty international, the UN, nations etc. they are quite often critical about israels actions. are they all antisemites? Its part of a democractic attitude that people are allowed to have their opinions which implies they criticise others. as longs as its not an insult that should be fine. Lashing out against critics is a somewhat childish behaviour/ immature.. dont you agree?
@chriswalmer Critisizing Israel is not antisemtism, and if you take a look at any English language Israeli newspaper, you will find a flood of self criticism. The biggest supporters of Israel - some who happen to be Finkelstein's greatest enemies, like Alan Dershowitz - often mention the importance of criticizing Israel, just as it is important to critically evaluate the U.S., or any country for that matter. Who would argue?
@keatsblake100 I cannot agree more! critisizing Israel IS NOT antisemitism. It just so happens that those who ARE critical, regardless whether jew or not, is likely to accused of being an antisemite! And I think this is what the whole debate is about. It appears at times, that the ADL is not a protective body of jewish people but a defamation organisation of critics of Israel. This has been nicely documented by the film dox:defamation. I think, a good idea has come out of balance.
@chriswalmer I believe Israelis and much of world Jewry suffers from a national and international paranoia, and, quite frankly, I think they can't be blamed for that, given the history of antisemitism. As one commentator I watched on YT once said, Israel does not have Norway or Sweden for neighbors.
Finkelstein doesn't criticize Israel. He demonizes it. He hates Israel, and has said so publicly. The man even once suggested Hezbollah fire more rockets at it. He is sick.
@keatsblake100 I would not go as far to dubb it paranoia but I agree, such history must influence a people's psyche. that said, you can blame your bad childhood only so mch and only to dimish your guild and responsibility. there has to be a point though where even someone with a bad childhood has to be held accountable.
Yes, Israel is surrounded by hostile governments. the way forward for me is not to increase hostility but to make peace. the only alternative is total destruction.
@keatsblake100 re finkelstein: He seems to have lost his job because of Dershewitz' intervention. So at least the story goes.He has been attacked and demonized himself. I would not be surprised if that had enhanced his defiance and endwoment with his critcism. I guess the lines are hardening. I try to separate content from modality.
@chriswalmer So you see, in your very first reply to me, you wrote that critics of Israel are accused of antisemitism and so they can't express their views without fear of having this accusation directed at them. And yet, this study shows that indeed many of those critics (at least the majority of those with "extreme" views of Israel), are likely to be antisemitic.
Jews have long been aware that antisemites disguise their antisemitism behind extreme criticism of Israel.
@keatsblake100 ok, lets say SOME who hold EXTREME feelings against Israel politics ARE antisemites. I am wondering what that actually means. They believe there should not be a state of israel? well, if you ask the palestinians then you would probably get 100% agreement. are they antisemites? from their point of view they are occupied. israel does not want to give up occupation. well, are jews antipalestinians? with the kill-word antisemitism you immediately get the connotation "nazi" and that
@keatsblake100 makes the word "antisemite" so powerful. nobody is happy to be called a nazi. now, you can use this rhetoric only so much until the blade becomes blunt. And I think we are nearing that point in time. I find it interesting though that you apply a study to this discussion which proves what a blind eye can see. and yet, it does not change anything. even if some antisemites use criticism as an expression of their EMOTIONAL attitude, that does not render the content false.
@keatsblake100 there are normal people in Europe and allover the world who are concerned about an islamisation of europe. are they all racists? and if some of them were, would all the others be wrong too? I think this is a logical leap that is clearly false. and I guess, in THIS case, you are likely to agree. not in the analogous where it comes towards criticism of israel. am I right?
@chriswalmer Hi, it's easier to find the study online than I thought. I won't have to send it to your email. Just type "Anti-Israeli Sentiment Predicts Anti-Semitism in Europe" and then type "PDF." You will find the study easily on Google. I found it quite interesting and hope you will too.
@chriswalmer In answer to your comments about Chomsky:
Chomsky is a radical and holds radical, extreme views about U.S. foreign policy and Israel. You say you read his work. OK, then you know very well Chomsky accuses both the U.S. and Israel of being criminal, terrorist states, guilty of committing crimes against humanity, and should be brought for prosecution before the international tribunal.
Now, let's make one thing clear: These are radical views.
@keatsblake100 well, IF you have read chomsky/achcar/pappe then you know how they come to that conclusion. they simply use the definition of supra-national law and apply it to israel and the US. invasion and occupation of other countries, keeping land that was acquired by force, sealing off people from medical care and nutrition etc. I guess you call saddam's invasion of kuweit an aggression.what about the invasion of Iraq? what about the killing of children in gaza? bombing of schools?
Maybe you don't understand the footnote that you cited about the ADL. I would like to interpret it for you. The research team who carried out the study at Yale, say:
The ADL conducted the survey and provided the data. But we, here at Yale, are not influenced by the ADL's philosophy or mission. We carried out the study independently, and only ran our statistics programs on the data. We did not tamper with the data. Our conclusions are unbiased.
So, the ADL only gathered the data. They did not analyze or try to interpret it. That was done by a team of professional statisticians and researchers at Yale. The point is, the study was unbiased and the results were presented in the ordinary framework of modern research. The results were consistent with the hypothesis. If the results had not supported the hypothesis, Yale would have been under obligation to report those findings.
You once mentioned that accusing people who heavily ciriticize Israel of harboring antisemitic sentiments is unfair to those critics. You have a point. Well, now we have a study - and more may be carried out in the future - to show that many extreme critics of Israel (at least in Europe) actually are antisemitic. Therefore, it may be that those critics demonize Israel as a way of hiding more sinister antisemitic sentiment.
@keatsblake100 again, even IF the motivation of some antisemites WAS to use this against Israel, then that does not render the critique per se false. It does as well NOT legitimate to demonize all critics as antismites. In fact, this line of reasoning is purely rhetorical, its a defamation and ironically a generalisation that is not dissimilar to "all jews are rich". I guess you dislike that sort of thinking, dont you?
@chriswalmer Some comments regarding the Yale/ADL study - part I:
Well, it looks like you disregard the findings of the study principally on the grounds that the ADL had a part in it, and therefore the data and research method were likely doctored in order to support the hypothesis. I will therefore no longer argue in favor of the study's findings.
Instead, in part II, I would like to clear up a couple of facts you have wrong about the study before proceeding to other topics.
@chriswalmer Some comments regarding the Yale/ADL study - part II:
First of all, the study involved 5000 subjects from ten different European countries, not 500. Furthermore, the results do not claim that all critics of Israel are antisemites.
Instead, it says that among the participants in the study with the most extreme anti-semitic sentiments, 56% reported "anti-semitic leanings." Futhermore, the degree of antisemitic sentiment increases with the degree of anti-Israel views.
@keatsblake100 I am not surprised. when you ran out of arguments you diverted the discourse to antisemitism with a flaky study. when your dubious "facts" are questioned then you turn into a sulking child. you have adopted the classic way of logic: ah well, if you dont agree with me then go to hell you antisemite. where do you learn that kind of stuff? is it indoctrinated? the whole world is full of enemies. it IS paranoia..thank you too!
@chriswalmer I'm not out of arguments. One can argue and argue on these issues until the end of time. The problem is simple. You posted eight messages to me when I opened my account this morning, and your points were scattered like stars across the universe. Trying to respond to a million ideas was frustrating.
On the other hand, I believe I see real talent in your writing. Your choice of terms and how you construct your thoughts is clever and unique. Something to learn from.
@keatsblake100 hi, I truly DID (i stress do, not the past tense) enjoy the wrestling of words. I should probably disclose that I am German and NOT an antisemite. I feel flattered! I think what our conversation shows is that it IS possible to argue and yet, not insult and be respectful of each other. I believe THIS is evidence for a chance that the world has. get out of the trenches and solve the problems! I am not powerful enough to solve it but if we all have the same chat, maybe there is hope
@keatsblake100 oh, and yes, you are right..the messages were in regard of different positions you took. you tube is probably not the best forum to have in-depth discussions. I would like to seek opportunities to get more involved in that matter...any ideas?
@chriswalmer Well, I haven't a single idea about where to discuss these sorts of issues at length and with informed people. I've just begun taking an interest in them myself. I suppose a search for chat rooms or blogs - yes, blogs are probably the best way to go - might lead you (or me as well, perhaps) in the right direction.
@chriswalmer I'm a Russian Jew, but live in the U.S. Germany, huh? I've known people who have lived or worked in Germany and loved it. Have you tried Yahoo Messenger? I think the newest version is Messenger 10. If you download it, you will have a selection of chat rooms to choose from. The "Politics Lobby" is a nice one, and sometimes has a lot of informed people in it. However, you don't always get so lucky with the crowd.
@chriswalmer If you find someone interesting and who is willing to chat with you, you can chat privately in real time. Exchanging ideas that way can be quite satisfying! SOmetimes you can chat with your computer speakers or with an inexpensive head set, and other times you can just use messenger to type your posts. Just an idea.
@chriswalmer On Yahoo Messenger, there is also "Jewish" chat, "Muslim" chat, lots of different religion rooms, and so on. Sometimes it's easy to find people with whom to chat, and other times its harder...but you can find friends and add them to your list.
@fre5aaa Ha, calling me a loser suggests there's a winner somewhere as well. Who might that be? Finkelstein? He has been rejected as a lunatic among the greater proportion (to use your mathematical term) of good academics around the globe. Even his supporters cannot help commenting on the hatred and anger that flows from his pen. He is an angry man.
@keatsblake100 well someone that calm doesn't seem angry to me , also someone starts from the international perspective and UN entitles doesn't seem to say lunatic stuff to me, but mere reason ! if basing and supporting ur opinion with UN main terms makes u lunatic , i wonder what makes u sane or rational !, i think he's a winner , none of the "GOOD ACADEMICS" can win against him cuz he's merely stating facts , and if u say he's wrong , at least enlighten me , what's right ?!
@fre5aaa I'm sorry, but I'm a little tired and can't think of anything to say at the moment. I might reply later, if I'm inspired enough. Long live Israel, and may its enemies perish. That's all for now. Sorry.
@keatsblake100 I just saw this statement.. you seem to be able to do reasoning. I dont understand why you go down that route. I am inclined to think though, that its YOU who holds anti-something feelings. are you a racist/ fascist?
What is it about Jews that people hate? Is it not Jews... is it Zionists? is it Israelis? what the hell is it.. I mean Mr. Finkelstein is Jewish.... I look at him as an idol, I think he makes my top 10 greatest men alive list.. What is it about the rest of the Jews that people despise ? Why is their such a word as antisemitism? Why did Hitler want JEWS dead?
@Napoleon40000 How did the holocaust get pulled into this? i was asking a question.. why do people hate jews..thats the question.. I have no idea how you pulled the holocaust into this.. Mr. Finkelstein talks about his all the time, Jews automatically play the Holocaust card and look for petty. I'm Greek, there was a genocide in Turkey prior to the Holocaust just as much greeks and armenians died as jews in WW2. No one came to their aid.
@dsmrider . 1) I'm not a Jew, I'm just someone that hates racists and fascists. 2) Your question looks highly rhetorical in nature; if it's not then tell me straight whether or not you support Hitler's genocide to correct my mis-perception ? 3) I'm well aware of Turkish genocide of Greeks and Armenians and attended an Armenian genocide commemoration last year.
@Napoleon40000 I would not support any genocide or suffering for that matter, I am an atheist but a very moral humanist. Support Hitler's Genocide? No.. not in any way at all.. I do wish at times that some of the present day Jews were killed rather than the innocent ones during the holocaust. The world came together to end the suffering. After all was done they said " Never again!" ( never again will there be genocide while the UN is around ) . Present day, right now, this instant. Continued.
@Napoleon40000 Palestinians are being murdered and terrorized by the Israeli people. Israeli Jews should know better, they commit the same crimes which were imposed on them and when someone brings this up, they play the holocaust card. I applaud your empathy to the victims and the survivors of the holocaust. But I would rather focus on current day matters and not letting such events to happen again, which in my point of view is happening today. By the same people who suffered it.
@dsmrider You are wrong to accuse Israelis of committing genocide against Palestinians. This is not only innacurate but immoral, in my opinion. First of all, let's consider your point, that the Israelis are the same as the Nazis were. Let's say they want to wipe out every Palestinian man, woman, and child in Palestine. Even if they managed to do that, they still couldn't match the Nazis, because the Nazis were going for every Jewish man, woman, and child in every corner of the earth.
@keatsblake100 It is not much different, just on a smaller scale. Either way it's sad to see Jews doing this to others. They should know better, they should stop crying about what happened to them and realize they are doing to others exactly what has been done to them. The pain which apparently haunts them still, is the same type of pain they inflict on the palestinians...
@dsmrider Well, what can I tell you? I've tried to explain that Israelis are not taking revenge for the Hollocaust on the Palestinians. I mean, why not go after Germans, if anyone at all? Why not send secret spies to Germany and kill off the German people? After all, it's the Germans who murdered the Jews in WWII, not the Palestinians.
Why were Palestinians suicide bombing Jews? Who but the craziest and most violent of people would do this? Why didn't Germany's Jews bomb Germans?
@keatsblake100 I'm not saying they are taking out their anger or getting even with the world by taking it out on Palestine, I'm simply saying that they are causing much suffering to Palestinians, not as severe as the holocaust, but it is very similar. The Israelis and many Jews bring up the Holocaust, point and shout and seem to demand sympathy. Yet right now, in this day in age, they create something similar. This is the problem I have. The Palestinians have resorted to cheap tactics yes. CONT
@keatsblake100 They have no chance against Israels army it would never happen. The people are resorting to something like suicide bombing because that is probably the only way to get even I suppose you can say. I would be furious if I were the Palestinians. Conspiracy theories aside, they probably did take down the towers, yes. The question you must ask yourself, a question that Ron Paul has what I think a correct answer to. Is the US foreign policy, that' that.
@dsmrider Jews have been tortured and marginalized for many centuries without just cause - you'll have to agree with me at least on this point. Why haven't they responded violently for all these hundreds of years against those who have inflicted brutality against them? They didn't kill Russians when they lived under the antisemitic Czar, they didn't kill Polish people in antisemtic Poland, and they didn't hurt Germans during the Hollocaust. So why do the Palestinians blow up Jews?
@keatsblake100 The obvious reason is because explosives weren't as available back then. Regardless, these people are being pushed to the edge and they are snapping to be quite honest I don't blame them, I'm sure I would act irrational considering the consequences. You make the arabs seem to be the terrorists here, which is not right at all. Far more Palestinian soldiers and especially civilians have been killed by the Israelis. The Jews have broken the law and they do not pay.
@dsmrider You would act irrationally if you were in the Palestinians' shoes? You would strap explosives to yourself and bomb innocent men, women, and children? I wouldn't bet on it.
In order to take extreme measures against Israel as a Palestinian, you would have to be completely indoctrinated in their Islamic-extremest ideoogy.
Palestians firmly believe - according to their interpretation of the Qu'ran - that Israel and the Jews are their arch enemy.
@keatsblake100 dude , no one likes to blast himself up even for heaven , but , everyone likes to give the one who makes their lives a LIVING HELL some of their own medicine , see , since random bombardment , F-16 assassinations that kills 13 passers by along with the wanted , since they stopped , SUICIDING also stopped , trust me keep nice attitude , they will be nice to u !
@dsmrider This is the reason why they don't mind dying as suicide bombings. We know very they believe they will go to paradise after such a bombing. It is beyond understanding that they would dance and celebrate in the streets after a successful suicide murder mission.
They are ideologically programmed to hate Israel and Jews, and they will not rest until Israel is eliminated. There is a very clear religious justification for their brutal behavior, and it is sactioned by Allah.
@keatsblake100 It's not even just that, the Israelis use sick tactics as well. I mean damn using white phosphorus the way that they do is disgusting. The soldiers beat children, knock down homes, execute the Palestinians, bomb their schools, take out their farms, hold the international aid which they need so badly... There is much more to add to this list. The Palestinian at the end of the rope, probably lost his family , has nothing to live for. Straps a bomb to his chest and retaliates.
@dsmrider So, let's say Israel did the impossible, and killed every Palestinian in Palestine. Well then, there would no longer be a Palestinian problem, and they'd be very happy, right? But would they then go and hunt down Palestinians in all other countries in the world? In the UK, in the USA? In Germany? No way. That's because they do not have an ideology of hartred against Palestinians. They do not think Palestianians as a people are evil or pose a threat to the Jewish people.
@keatsblake100 They are abusing and killing civilians. They have been destroying farms, homes and keep occupying land which does not belong to them. If you do not find this aggressive then I do not know what could.
@dsmrider On the contrary. Israelis are only principally worried - and for good reason, as we all know - with those Palestinians who are in their immediate proximity- in other words, their hostile neighbors. In fact, Israel is surrounded by Hostile Arab and Muslim nations on all sides. They don't have Sweden or Norway for neighbors. It's fashionable these days on university campuses in the West to accuse Israel of Nazi-like behavior, but this rhetoric is simplistic and cruel.
@dsmrider But let me address a question you had in another post. You asked why the big fuss over Jews, and why is there antisemitism? Well, there is antisemitism wherever there is Christianity or Islam. It began with Christianity in Western Europe. The Jews were literally seen as the Devil incarnate. According to Christians, they killed Jesus. Therefore, If they could kill the son of God, they could also be capable of doing the worst kinds of evil imaginable.
@dsmrider So that is how it all began. Jews were evil, not to be trusted, because they killed the Savior, and rejected his divine word afterwards as well. As the centuries wore on, and as religion began to weaken as a political form of authority with the separation of church and state, the Jews were accused of other wrongs. They were still hated, but this time for being greedy, or wanting to control the economies of the nations in which they inhabited, or even the world.
@Napoleon40000 I'm honestly really curious as to how you jumped to the holocaust please explain.. Because all I was asking is why people hate jews.. Oh and by the way...being a JEW means to believe in a certain religion not being a race.. So where you got racism from beats me too.. Like where did you pull that out of???!!! " I wonder why so many people go after and hate Jews" ----- " you racist piece of shit, go look for shoes at auschwitz!" please explain your comment.
If you look closely at Finkelstein - very closely at his features - you will find he resembles an Arab much more than a Jew. I think we've found the foundation for his views.
If you look closely at Finkelstein - very closely at his features - you will find he resembles an Arab much more than a Jew. I think we've found the foundation for his views.
@illistas I once saw a Finkelstein YT debate in which he keeps accusing pro-Israel supporters of continually "exhuming the dead" from the Hollocaust to bolster their deceitful political agendas. On the other hand, we constantly see Finkelstein himself talking about his parents' tragic deaths in order to debunk accusations that he's a self-despising Jew. I think it's a little hypocritical, at the very least.
@illistas But seriously, just because his parents died in the Hollocaust doesn't mean a thing as far as his political and personal energies against Israel are concerned. Just think about some of the truly corrupt and oppressive regimes out there today- like China, North Korea, and Iran - just to name a few. And how about Russia? What a corrupt and volatile country that is. Just think about the human rights abuse going on around the world today. Israel is a paradise in comparison.
@keatsblake100 There are videos here on youtube where he explicitly states that he does not like pulling the holocaust card, he only does so when people accuse him from anti-Semitism. Also yeah, Israël is a paradise...when you are Jewish and do not speak up to loud. Hell even David Hirsh got flamed at and depicted as some anti-Israël leftist, when all he said was; the Palestinians deserve better, Israël is commiting atrocities in Gaza.
@illistas Look, between me and you, I suppose there is something related to racism of one sort or another going on in Israel, in a way. But what can be done? Most Europeans, lots of Americans, and of course the vast majority of Muslims, dislike Jews. There is no denying this - and their antisemitism is thoroughly ideological, and has had centuries to fosilize. It's true but sad, man.
@illistas That is why no matter how well Jews have integrated in any country where they have lived; no matter what achievements they've made; no matter what they have contributed to the political or economic landscape of those countries, they will always stand alone in the end. That's why they need a place just for them. Yes, as much as I hate to say it, they are special. Jews are in fact different, and it's not their fault. It's antisemitism's fault. It made them who they are today.
@illistas So why does Finkelstein and his mentor Chomsky speak about so fiercely about Israel? Truly, I don't know. Perhaps for attention. Let's take a look at Chomsky. He had already revolutionaized linguistics in the fifties and sixties. What was left to do after that? Not much as far as the study of language was concerned. He reached the pinnacle of his fame, but what to do after that? Well, why not write against mainstream views of Israel and the US? That made him very famous.
@keatsblake100 Maybe because there is something wrong in the country they both have ties to as a Jew? And dude, criticism on Israel is not racism. There might just be something wrong going on as well.
@illistas Well, there's something wrong, for sure. And even Allen Dershewitz- who wrote a couple of books or more praising Israel and defending its right to exist- has said that he encourages criticism about Israel and says he does the same himself. He said this while debating Chomsky, I think.
I don't know anyone who would disagree that Israel is capable of mishchief, but don't you think using terms like "genocide" or "crimes against humanity" is going too far?
@illistas The thing about the Finkelsteins of the world is that they actually demonize Israel, calling it a racist state that they want nothing to do with. But take a look at Sweden; it's full of Swedes; and Germany of Germans; Bangladesh of Bengalis, and so on. Do we call those Countries racist Countries? Israel is full of Jews. So what's the big deal?
Germany, for example, is actually famous for its intolerance of foreigners, known to those particular Germans as "outsiders."
@illistas So maybe Finelstein's just an attention seekeras well. Maybe.
Think about the history of antisemitism. And remember that antisemitism is, and always will be, there. Whether based on secular or political or racial reasons, it's here to stay, without a doubt. It's embedded in the ideooogy of the West and Islam. But the Jews have a homeland now, with a strong military and intelligence services. So try them apples, antisemites of the world, wherever you are!
why is it that israel can't be told to stop the bullshit.
sanstion the hello out of them .
Oh I forgot American is backing them up, how dumb of me.
Israel gets money from American every year , tell you congresman that you need that money back in the hamds of americcans sanction israel it's the only way.
IM A ARAB MUSLIM,I VOTE FOR MR,FINKELSTEIN,TO SPEAK ON BEHALF,OF ALL,ARAB,AND MUSLIM,COUNRTY,BECAUSE ALL OUR MUSLIM LEADER,ARE ABSOLUTEY MORONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@MrKareem01 u votign FOR Norm the Fecal Stain gives u no honors really.
it is all very sad. your mind is a prisoner of the Cult of Force and Power that is iZlam.
If The Highest One had returned the Jews to JEWDEA, who are you to fight against His Will? Yet you do, for the last 100 years.
The stone and the tree say to you "Kill the Jews" and you hear THEM, not the Highest One. What kind of a muslim are you? Answer - no kind at all. U R muZlim, not muslim, coz u do not submit to HIS WILL.
@Tripockets you live by the Bible? Somehow it doe'nt seem likely.
So what d'you care what's written in it?
That JEWDEA - "The Land of the Jews" - was known as such everywhere, for 1800 years prior to Muzlim Arabian invasion, is undeniable. The Bible is but one historical artifact from that era that proves the existence of the Jewish People in that Land back then. Since then that people's uninterrupted existence is also an undeniable fact of human history. End of story.
arguing with norm the fecal stain is like arguing with goebbels. goebells would feel proud for his talented apprentice.
now call me an antisemite because i the fecal stain calls itself a jew and i dared calling it what it is - a fecal stain. or call me a nazi because i called it IT and not HE - normally a terrible thing to do. I would't do that to Nasralla even. He actually has an excuse, of being born into the terrible brainwashing cult of force and power, Islam.
@aoeaoae Finkelstein's grasp on facts and history are unmatched on this issue which is why his opposition always gets destroyed. When they can't debate the issues or argue for their cause they all resort to petty insults.
Just like you are doin here :) when you can't debate the issues you try to change the subject. Truth hurts doesn't it :P
@uchihaangelus yeah his grasp on a fecal matter is uncanny, Goebells woud be proud. Arguing with Norm the Fecal Stain is like arguing with Goebbels.
now call me an antisemite because Norm the Fecal Stain calls itself a jew and I dared calling it a fecal stain that it is.
let's see. if I were to say "u r a cock sucking POS, u enjoy sucking shit stained cocks day and night" would it make you feel good? make u feel hurt and uncomfortable? would that be a proof it is true, then?
It doesn't matter how much the Jews have sinned, they are still Jews. that is the basic rule of Judaism. read more. thus, 85% of the population in israel are Jews, sinners or not sinners.
@Tripockets I am a Yemenite Jew moron. I read your comment and ignorant would be a compliment for you. It's not the genes you pathetic moron. It's the heritage. if you want to convert to Judaism, ask me how... HAHAHA
Solidarity with Mr Ben Ami
MrLamalo1 2 months ago
18 zionist fanatics can't handle the truth.
johnnyfast 4 months ago
1. 9 mm between his eyes
wolffi2341 5 months ago
@isl333 yes israel belonged to the 12 tribes of israel but NOT ashkeNAZI khazarian fake non jews that have destroyed mankind with the disease of greed. U r thieving deceitful non humans. Ok snake people. Hide behind your lies all you like. Mankind' righteousness and seeking of truth will always expose you. Also u ppl have a so-called homeland near the caucasus incidently. We GOYIM are not falling for it anymore
SAJJ28 5 months ago
Finkelstein whiped the floor with shlomo
herbivore007 6 months ago
@herbivore007 the misspelling is just too delicious...the mental image of finklestein using shlomo as a whip and punishing the floor for it's insolence is priceless
MrAnymeansnecessary 5 months ago
@MrAnymeansnecessary lmao... yeah i realize that my spelling on that was off. But hey! You get the message;) Finkelstein is the man! :D
herbivore007 5 months ago
Honest and kind hearted people always have to to struggle more but end is always in favour.
bhartek 6 months ago 2
16 Zionists dislike Flinkenstein.
FullMoongrn 6 months ago 6
THERE IS NOTHING-NOTHING-WORSE THEN HAVING "RUSSIANS-JEWS" LIVING ABOVE YOUR HEAD-THEY ARE THE-WORSE-THE-WORSE-THE-WORSE
src438 7 months ago
@src438 Why? Explain pls. (I'm not confrontational, just curious why Russians are the worse).
znikacz 7 months ago
@src438 lol what a troll. you posted this EXACT comment on another video.
lozoft9 6 months ago
my hamster is named shlomo..
demarcos69 7 months ago
Finkelstein certainly hold that grin really well - given Israel disposition, its not surprising he got a 10year ban lol.
PaulH24752 7 months ago
Finklestine Know Lucifer he A Aryan!
Hail Finklestin...
Hail Satan!
NATIONALCOMMUNISM666 7 months ago
@NATIONALCOMMUNISM666
Fuck off idiot.
SurendreB 7 months ago
@SurendreB
Fuck you!
NATIONALCOMMUNISM666 7 months ago
@SurendreB
You fuck off Ass hole!
NATIONALCOMMUNISM666 7 months ago
you are an idiot
brooklynzoo865 6 months ago
u are retarded lol
adam850csi 2 months ago
notice he doesnt use a fucking teleprompter:)
TheAngryarchangel 7 months ago 2
Viva Finkelstein
automaticdog 7 months ago 26
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A. VOICE TO SKULL - (THE WORSE) - (Distracts and interrupt and tamper health)
B. (DEW) - DIRECT ENERGY WEAPON - (cause a terrible health complications)
C. DIRECTED BEAM & RADIATION - (Distracts and interrupt tamper with health)
D. NEIGHBORHOOD ORGANIZE CRIME - (destroy and break all family life)
E. RUSSIANS JEWS MAFIA - (Family from toddler to alder are in it)
F. CULTS OF DIFFERENCE NAMES & ETHNICS RUN BY THE SAME CAUSE
G. MEDIA, MOSAD ADL, AIPAC and more - (Not all Jews are in it)
src438 8 months ago
Either this man Finkelstein is a genius or he is a genius
TheAnatolia1983 8 months ago 41
@TheAnatolia1983 I vote for genius
jewpalegay 8 months ago
@jewpalegay
You are probably right, the Jewish people on the whole are considered a bright people. Their intelligence can be utilised to the favour or detriment of those around them.
TheAnatolia1983 8 months ago
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@TheAnatolia1983 Dr. DUMB Finkelstein support in TERROR TO KILL JEWS.
HE WENT TO SUPPORT HEZBOLLAH AND HAMAS TO KEEP KILL JEWS,IF HE'S JEWS SO HE IS THE FIRST ONE THAT MADE NEW NAZISM.
WHERE is Palestine in all HOLY books NONE of word.??????
PALESTINIANS NEED TO GO TO THERE HOMES>>>>>>> JORDAN,GAZA.
Palestinians occupied the land ,THAT BELONG TO 12 TRIBES OF Israel.
ISEL333 7 months ago
Arafat sold the Palestinians for nickel and dime!
patatinis 8 months ago
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The so called "Palestinians" of today
do not represent a nation or people,
merely a bunch of Wannabe-Nazis.
Their ideology despises both,
the Land of Israel and the People of Israel.
ThePrideOfIsrael 8 months ago
norman is a good man. ben ami is a like dog. fuck you shlomo
abaturab123 9 months ago
DEATH TO ISREAL.
1976jasse 9 months ago
at 5:00 that's an algerian song
ahmed337799 9 months ago
UN opinion is irrelevant, more than half of countries there are dictatorships, Arabic or otherwise.
Retreating from West Bank would mean removing 200 thousands of Jews. Impractical, and Filkenstein knows this.
Retreating from Jerusalem is unthinkable. It's like demanding that Muslims abandon Mecca. Filkenstein knows this too.
vcz11 9 months ago
@vcz11 UN opinion is irrelevant? Thanks for clearing that up.
Retreating from West Bank is impractical? So what. Leave.
Your final comparison is nonsensical.
beelzebunge 9 months ago
@vcz11
hahaha you better make it practical
we're coming for u
ahmed337799 9 months ago
Finkelstein is brilliant!
freenational 9 months ago
@bfoAliali
Actually, international law is the law of the day. Roman, arab conquests were illegal. Furthermore, UN charter has agreed there is no statute of limitations to war crimes - that means that burnign down the jewish temple in Jerusalem, murdering and expelling the Jews form their homeland is a war crime, even tho it was done hundreds of years ago.
middlemanscaggs 11 months ago
@middlemanscaggs Ancient Roman Law has different legal implications than modern U.N law. Modern U.N law has all countries as signatories, willingly submitting,whereas Roman Law was imposed and therefore a "might makes right" law. You're correct that there is no statute of limitations on certain crimes but the laws themselves are not retroactive. For example Mexico can't bring the U.S to trial for Arizona, New Mexico and Texas because the law wasn't written yet.
senortonyful 10 months ago
so all of the settlements in Americas, Australasia are illegal.
So are the arab settlements outside of Arabia, ie lands that are occupied under the arab conquest.
middlemanscaggs 11 months ago
@middlemanscaggs Not under international law, which was what Finkelstien is referring to.
bfoaliali 11 months ago
@middlemanscaggs I guess in a way. There is overwhelming evidence that celts and northern europeans were here even before that asians cross over. The genetic evidence of some native americans in the northeast around the great lakes and in america prove they had european dna WAY before European (re)settlement of America. Just google the subject and honestly look at all the information that has been hid from the mainstream for politically correct implications.
swissbliss24 11 months ago
@swissbliss24
It seems you are confusing the plot
The Native Americans may derive from Eurasiansm which means as far east of Russia, China, Japan etc. if they came to the Americas 10,000 years ago, it was not inhabited by humans.
What evidence do you have for Celtic DNA? Perhaps its from the vikings, or the early settlers who raped the natives.
middlemanscaggs 11 months ago
@middlemanscaggs The laws Dr. Finkelstein is referring to are not retroactive. The various laws and resolutions passed by the U.N that pertain to this situation were inacted between 49-74. Any events after the passage of these laws are subject to their jurisdiction. Otherwise, there would be a huge mess figuring out who should live were. It seems to be the only reasonable way to go about international law.
senortonyful 10 months ago
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@senortonyful "The laws Dr. Finkelstein is referring to are not retroactive. The various laws and resolutions passed by the U.N that pertain to this situation were inacted between 49-74"
So Jordanian whatever jordanian did in 48 - burning temples, expelling jews is not subject of UN law?
Greywind30 10 months ago
When Jewish Americans rise to the challenge of calling for withdrawal of Israel from occupied Palestinian Territory....and when American citizens rise to the challenge of investigating the false flag operation known as the 9/11 world trade centre destruction.....then the sheep will have enlightened themselves, and will no longer allow the British/American/Israeli corporate oligarchy to war and exploit weaker foreign nations for resources and strategic positioning in the Mid-East and elsewhere.
Chidanandaji 11 months ago
Norman Finkelstein, you barbarian. You, with your power and influence in educational and political spheres. You, a Jew who fights against Jews and their homeland. You support Jews' enemies. Book profiteer!
keatsblake100 1 year ago
@keatsblake100 its funny...by your very remarks you are just making his points. these are: criticism of israel is antisemitism. antisemitism cannot be disproven so everybody is guilty by default. this makes any criticism a dangerous position and the potential defamation of being an antisemitis a political weapon. no government, none, is beyond making mistakes but israel has too long been successfully hiding behind the rhetoric shield of "you are an antiemite". its about time this comes to an end
chriswalmer 1 year ago
@chriswalmer It will never come to an end. Using antisemitism as a political strategy is nothing new. Blacks in America have been doing the same with anti African-American racism for years. It's an inevitable outcome among marginalized minority groups. In fact, given the intensity of hatred and brutality against Jews in classical and modern times, it is only natural that some will use antisemitism unscrupulously. Basic sociology.
But is that what we're really talking about here?
keatsblake100 11 months ago
@keatsblake100 I am not sure I follow your logic. I believe the point here is that the horrible history is used as a weapon to legitimate your own wrong doing. I cannot see that afro-americans try to cover up any wrongdoing on their part. Yes, they ask for "reparation" for what has been done to them. BUT, do they ask to stand outside the criminal legal system? when looking at US prison statistics I cannot get that impression. I think the analogy is false. even if so, two wrongs dont...
chriswalmer 11 months ago
@keatsblake100 and can I ask: If that is not what we ARE talking about, then what is it? are you insinnuating I am an antisemitist?
chriswalmer 11 months ago
@chriswalmer I don't know if you're an antisemite, but I can tell you something interesting. There has been a study carried out recently (I don't know if the results have been published yet) to show a correlation between people who are against the state of Israel and those who are antisemites. The results show that most people who don't like Israel are also antisemites.
It doesn't sound at all like you are against Israel, but rather a careful critic of its policies.
keatsblake100 11 months ago
@keatsblake100 Hi, I would be very interested to learn more about this analysis. do you ask people whether they are antisemits? do you expect people to say "yes"? I doubt it but one thing is clear: if you would ask antisemitists whether they are critics of israel then you will get 100% correlation. but, frankly, that is rubbish statistics. you could as well go to prison and ask the inmates whether they had been breastfed. Well, we would probably conclude from that, that the majority of inmates
chriswalmer 11 months ago
@chriswalmer OK, I'll have more time to reply later, but for now:
I just did a quick search of othe topic of anti-Israel/antisemitism and found the following article on Google. It is called: "Anti-Israel sentiment predicts anti-semitism in Europe." If you google that I'm sure you'll find it. I only had time to read the abstract, because I think you'll have to pay a couple of dollars to read the whole article from the journal in which it is published, at Yale University.
keatsblake100 11 months ago
@chriswalmer I'll be sure to pay for and download the article to read on my own in a short while. But before I go, I urge you to reconsider the idea that Antisemtism doesn't exist anymore. In fact, it does very much exist, and though it's not the same antisemtism as the classical, medieval kind, it is alive and well today.
keatsblake100 11 months ago
@chriswalmer OK, it's easier to find the article than I thought. I won't even have to send it to you. Simply type in "anti-Israeli sentiment predicts antisemiticsm in Europe" and then type "PDF" right after that. You'll find it on a google search. Hope you find it interesting!
keatsblake100 11 months ago
@keatsblake100 and because of that all peopel that are breastfed will go to prison. the much more interesting study would be to ask all critics of israel whether they are as well antisemites. you see what a dfference it makes who you aks for the conclusion. I frankly doubt that there are many antisemites these days. radical islamists maybe but do they have an ear these days?
chriswalmer 11 months ago
@chriswalmer I only know that Israel is surrounded by hostile people on all borders and in every direction. I wonder how much peace there would be if Palestinians were granted all they wanted. Isn't the real problem an ideological one? Isn't the real problem a religion-based one, firmly grounded in Islamic hatred towards Jews?
Jews were (and are) hated by Christians for their rejection of Christ. Muslims have verses in the Qu'ran indicating Jews as their greatest enemies.
keatsblake100 11 months ago
@keatsblake100 do you think the palestinians hate the jews more than the other way around? to look at it from that perspective you come right into the question of guilt and responsbility. so who is guilty? the palestinians because they hate the jews? because of the koran? or maybe the colonists who gave the land? or jews because they have in their scripture that they are the chosen people? or religion in general? all of them? where does this observation lead us? I think to eternal war...
chriswalmer 11 months ago
@chriswalmer If in Christian Europe, where Jews controlled no land and had far fewer rights than the European citizen, they were still hated and accused carrying out or being capable of carrying out the worst crimes possible, how can one believe there will ever be peace?
That is why Israel will always have to defend itself against Islamic extremism, and that is why Muslims will always carry in their hearts a deep desire to destroy all Jews.
keatsblake100 11 months ago
@keatsblake100 I think you are moving away from the topic. your attitude appaers to be fatalistic "there is no chance for peace". well, does that justify everything? islamic extremism is younger than israel. the palestine/israel conflict exists as long as the situation is there but widespread islamic fundamentalism isnt that old. nobody can really know but it appears to me that the very conflict between israel/ usa and palestine is the focal point for extremism. egg versus hen?
chriswalmer 11 months ago
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@chriswalmer So tell me, isn't it interesting to think about what Finkelstein says about Israel in the context of such a study?
keatsblake100 11 months ago
@chriswalmer I read the study and found it very interesting. Did you get a chance to read it? I found a free PDF version online, so I didn't have to pay to download it. I hope more studies like it will be done in the future, in order to either support or challenge the findings.
keatsblake100 11 months ago
@keatsblake100 who did the study? I'd be interested to read it. can you send it to me? but lets assume for a moment that 100% of antisemites are critical of israel. I think what you DID say was that they are "against" israel. well, if someone is adamantly against israel then that is something like a legal definition of an antisemite so no study would have to be undertaken. does the study prove that all critics of israels politics are antisemites? I would think that this study must come from adl
chriswalmer 11 months ago
@chriswalmer You're mistaken about Chomsky and his brand of "criticism." Chomsky is not just an ordinary critic of Israeli policy. He is an extreme critic. There is a difference. For example, most of Chomsky's books are critiques of U.S. foreign policy. If you read his books, you will notice he labels the U.S. as a '"rogue," or criminal state, which carries out terrorist operations in foreign countries or aids other countries in perpetrating crimes against humanity. He is a radical critic.
keatsblake100 11 months ago
@keatsblake100 Hi, I am following Chomsky quite closely and read his books. I am afraid I do agree with him. US foreign policy is not driven by democratisation or whatever pretext they come up with. It is oil and interest or control over the world. I think this is hardly debateable or do you really believe its about democratisation? I mean, was egyp democratic? or saudi arabia? or is pakistan or the warlords of afghanistan? I believe his criticism is very well justified and is demasking.
chriswalmer 11 months ago
@keatsblake100 and it goes without saying that the political establishment, which holds little respect for the very people they have sworn to care for, is not amused to have a mirror held infront of them and show them and the people what REALLY goes on. thats why they demonise wikileaks so much. they fear their very power i.e. lying in the face of people and the world is uncovered! of course they call the likes of chomsky "radical".. I cannot see anything radical in his views..
chriswalmer 11 months ago
@chriswalmer The study was carried out at Yale University by the Institute for Social and Policy Studies and the Institute for the Study of Global Antisemitism and Policy. I'll send it to you. When you read it, you will see that that it is a simple and careful study of the relationship between the degree of criticism Europeans hold about Israel and their degree of corresponding antisemitic sentiment - if any at all. The study controlled for as many confounding variables as possible.
keatsblake100 11 months ago
@keatsblake100 I will certainly have a look at it. thanks for pointing it out. that said, are you surprised to hear that the more emotional someone argues against israel the more likely it is that there are antisemitic tendencies running in the background? but even if so, how many of israel critics ARE antisemites and how many are simply critical? to conclude that ALL are antisemitic and that cricism shall not be allowed is a disservice to the interest of israel..and it will back and haunt them.
chriswalmer 11 months ago
@keatsblake100 look at the footnote.. its just as I suspected...no need to read that type of propaganda material: The data for this study were provided by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), and while we thank the ADL for sharing their data with us, the viewsexpressed in this article are ours and do not represent the official positions or policies of the ADL
chriswalmer 11 months ago
@chriswalmer The study does not claim to have discovered anything. Instead, like most studies, it only points to persuasive conclusions about its hypothesis. The research design supports the data and hypothesis, that's all. If the data did not support the hypothesis, the research team would be under obligation to state that. However, as it turns out - in this particular study - the greater one's anti-Israel feelings, the greater the likelihood that he or she is antisemitic.
keatsblake100 11 months ago
@keatsblake100 Hi, sorry for the late reply. well, I guess one has to agree that a) who you ask b) how you ask and many other points influence the data/answers. with the raw data you can do a lot of statistical tricks but in the end, there is only so much in the data. 500 people from ALL countries is nothing and you would wonder how they picked them. sorry, but I attribute ZERO credibility to a study that has been performed by the ADL. that is one way how the defamation practice of ADL backires
chriswalmer 11 months ago
@chriswalmer Hi, I tried sending the study to you at chriswalmerdotcom, but the message failed to send. Sorry. Do you have a different address?
keatsblake100 11 months ago
@keatsblake100 So tell me, isn't it interesting to think about what Finkelstein says about Israel in the context of such a study?
keatsblake100 11 months ago
@keatsblake100 finkelsteins says a lot about israel politics. so does chomsky and the UN, human rights organisations, amnesty international, the UN, nations etc. they are quite often critical about israels actions. are they all antisemites? Its part of a democractic attitude that people are allowed to have their opinions which implies they criticise others. as longs as its not an insult that should be fine. Lashing out against critics is a somewhat childish behaviour/ immature.. dont you agree?
chriswalmer 11 months ago
@chriswalmer Critisizing Israel is not antisemtism, and if you take a look at any English language Israeli newspaper, you will find a flood of self criticism. The biggest supporters of Israel - some who happen to be Finkelstein's greatest enemies, like Alan Dershowitz - often mention the importance of criticizing Israel, just as it is important to critically evaluate the U.S., or any country for that matter. Who would argue?
keatsblake100 11 months ago
@keatsblake100 I cannot agree more! critisizing Israel IS NOT antisemitism. It just so happens that those who ARE critical, regardless whether jew or not, is likely to accused of being an antisemite! And I think this is what the whole debate is about. It appears at times, that the ADL is not a protective body of jewish people but a defamation organisation of critics of Israel. This has been nicely documented by the film dox:defamation. I think, a good idea has come out of balance.
chriswalmer 11 months ago
@chriswalmer I believe Israelis and much of world Jewry suffers from a national and international paranoia, and, quite frankly, I think they can't be blamed for that, given the history of antisemitism. As one commentator I watched on YT once said, Israel does not have Norway or Sweden for neighbors.
Finkelstein doesn't criticize Israel. He demonizes it. He hates Israel, and has said so publicly. The man even once suggested Hezbollah fire more rockets at it. He is sick.
keatsblake100 11 months ago
@keatsblake100 I would not go as far to dubb it paranoia but I agree, such history must influence a people's psyche. that said, you can blame your bad childhood only so mch and only to dimish your guild and responsibility. there has to be a point though where even someone with a bad childhood has to be held accountable.
Yes, Israel is surrounded by hostile governments. the way forward for me is not to increase hostility but to make peace. the only alternative is total destruction.
chriswalmer 11 months ago
@keatsblake100 re finkelstein: He seems to have lost his job because of Dershewitz' intervention. So at least the story goes.He has been attacked and demonized himself. I would not be surprised if that had enhanced his defiance and endwoment with his critcism. I guess the lines are hardening. I try to separate content from modality.
chriswalmer 11 months ago
@chriswalmer So you see, in your very first reply to me, you wrote that critics of Israel are accused of antisemitism and so they can't express their views without fear of having this accusation directed at them. And yet, this study shows that indeed many of those critics (at least the majority of those with "extreme" views of Israel), are likely to be antisemitic.
Jews have long been aware that antisemites disguise their antisemitism behind extreme criticism of Israel.
keatsblake100 11 months ago
@keatsblake100 ok, lets say SOME who hold EXTREME feelings against Israel politics ARE antisemites. I am wondering what that actually means. They believe there should not be a state of israel? well, if you ask the palestinians then you would probably get 100% agreement. are they antisemites? from their point of view they are occupied. israel does not want to give up occupation. well, are jews antipalestinians? with the kill-word antisemitism you immediately get the connotation "nazi" and that
chriswalmer 11 months ago
@keatsblake100 makes the word "antisemite" so powerful. nobody is happy to be called a nazi. now, you can use this rhetoric only so much until the blade becomes blunt. And I think we are nearing that point in time. I find it interesting though that you apply a study to this discussion which proves what a blind eye can see. and yet, it does not change anything. even if some antisemites use criticism as an expression of their EMOTIONAL attitude, that does not render the content false.
chriswalmer 11 months ago
@keatsblake100 there are normal people in Europe and allover the world who are concerned about an islamisation of europe. are they all racists? and if some of them were, would all the others be wrong too? I think this is a logical leap that is clearly false. and I guess, in THIS case, you are likely to agree. not in the analogous where it comes towards criticism of israel. am I right?
chriswalmer 11 months ago
@chriswalmer Hi, it's easier to find the study online than I thought. I won't have to send it to your email. Just type "Anti-Israeli Sentiment Predicts Anti-Semitism in Europe" and then type "PDF." You will find the study easily on Google. I found it quite interesting and hope you will too.
keatsblake100 11 months ago
@chriswalmer In answer to your comments about Chomsky:
Chomsky is a radical and holds radical, extreme views about U.S. foreign policy and Israel. You say you read his work. OK, then you know very well Chomsky accuses both the U.S. and Israel of being criminal, terrorist states, guilty of committing crimes against humanity, and should be brought for prosecution before the international tribunal.
Now, let's make one thing clear: These are radical views.
keatsblake100 11 months ago
@keatsblake100 well, IF you have read chomsky/achcar/pappe then you know how they come to that conclusion. they simply use the definition of supra-national law and apply it to israel and the US. invasion and occupation of other countries, keeping land that was acquired by force, sealing off people from medical care and nutrition etc. I guess you call saddam's invasion of kuweit an aggression.what about the invasion of Iraq? what about the killing of children in gaza? bombing of schools?
chriswalmer 11 months ago
@chriswalmer About the article:
Maybe you don't understand the footnote that you cited about the ADL. I would like to interpret it for you. The research team who carried out the study at Yale, say:
The ADL conducted the survey and provided the data. But we, here at Yale, are not influenced by the ADL's philosophy or mission. We carried out the study independently, and only ran our statistics programs on the data. We did not tamper with the data. Our conclusions are unbiased.
keatsblake100 11 months ago
@keatsblake100 thanks for that. I think i got it. answered re ADL data above..
chriswalmer 11 months ago
@chriswalmer More about the research study:
So, the ADL only gathered the data. They did not analyze or try to interpret it. That was done by a team of professional statisticians and researchers at Yale. The point is, the study was unbiased and the results were presented in the ordinary framework of modern research. The results were consistent with the hypothesis. If the results had not supported the hypothesis, Yale would have been under obligation to report those findings.
keatsblake100 11 months ago
@chriswalmer One last comment about the study:
You once mentioned that accusing people who heavily ciriticize Israel of harboring antisemitic sentiments is unfair to those critics. You have a point. Well, now we have a study - and more may be carried out in the future - to show that many extreme critics of Israel (at least in Europe) actually are antisemitic. Therefore, it may be that those critics demonize Israel as a way of hiding more sinister antisemitic sentiment.
keatsblake100 11 months ago
@keatsblake100 again, even IF the motivation of some antisemites WAS to use this against Israel, then that does not render the critique per se false. It does as well NOT legitimate to demonize all critics as antismites. In fact, this line of reasoning is purely rhetorical, its a defamation and ironically a generalisation that is not dissimilar to "all jews are rich". I guess you dislike that sort of thinking, dont you?
chriswalmer 11 months ago
@chriswalmer Some comments regarding the Yale/ADL study - part I:
Well, it looks like you disregard the findings of the study principally on the grounds that the ADL had a part in it, and therefore the data and research method were likely doctored in order to support the hypothesis. I will therefore no longer argue in favor of the study's findings.
Instead, in part II, I would like to clear up a couple of facts you have wrong about the study before proceeding to other topics.
keatsblake100 11 months ago
@chriswalmer Some comments regarding the Yale/ADL study - part II:
First of all, the study involved 5000 subjects from ten different European countries, not 500. Furthermore, the results do not claim that all critics of Israel are antisemites.
Instead, it says that among the participants in the study with the most extreme anti-semitic sentiments, 56% reported "anti-semitic leanings." Futhermore, the degree of antisemitic sentiment increases with the degree of anti-Israel views.
keatsblake100 11 months ago
@chriswalmer Part III:
I just realized I can't argue with you anymore....or reason for that matter. You talk about too many things at once. Thanks for the discussion.
keatsblake100 11 months ago
@keatsblake100 I am not surprised. when you ran out of arguments you diverted the discourse to antisemitism with a flaky study. when your dubious "facts" are questioned then you turn into a sulking child. you have adopted the classic way of logic: ah well, if you dont agree with me then go to hell you antisemite. where do you learn that kind of stuff? is it indoctrinated? the whole world is full of enemies. it IS paranoia..thank you too!
chriswalmer 11 months ago
@chriswalmer I'm not out of arguments. One can argue and argue on these issues until the end of time. The problem is simple. You posted eight messages to me when I opened my account this morning, and your points were scattered like stars across the universe. Trying to respond to a million ideas was frustrating.
On the other hand, I believe I see real talent in your writing. Your choice of terms and how you construct your thoughts is clever and unique. Something to learn from.
keatsblake100 11 months ago
@keatsblake100 hi, I truly DID (i stress do, not the past tense) enjoy the wrestling of words. I should probably disclose that I am German and NOT an antisemite. I feel flattered! I think what our conversation shows is that it IS possible to argue and yet, not insult and be respectful of each other. I believe THIS is evidence for a chance that the world has. get out of the trenches and solve the problems! I am not powerful enough to solve it but if we all have the same chat, maybe there is hope
chriswalmer 11 months ago
@keatsblake100 oh, and yes, you are right..the messages were in regard of different positions you took. you tube is probably not the best forum to have in-depth discussions. I would like to seek opportunities to get more involved in that matter...any ideas?
chriswalmer 11 months ago
@chriswalmer Well, I haven't a single idea about where to discuss these sorts of issues at length and with informed people. I've just begun taking an interest in them myself. I suppose a search for chat rooms or blogs - yes, blogs are probably the best way to go - might lead you (or me as well, perhaps) in the right direction.
keatsblake100 11 months ago
@chriswalmer I'm a Russian Jew, but live in the U.S. Germany, huh? I've known people who have lived or worked in Germany and loved it. Have you tried Yahoo Messenger? I think the newest version is Messenger 10. If you download it, you will have a selection of chat rooms to choose from. The "Politics Lobby" is a nice one, and sometimes has a lot of informed people in it. However, you don't always get so lucky with the crowd.
keatsblake100 11 months ago
@chriswalmer If you find someone interesting and who is willing to chat with you, you can chat privately in real time. Exchanging ideas that way can be quite satisfying! SOmetimes you can chat with your computer speakers or with an inexpensive head set, and other times you can just use messenger to type your posts. Just an idea.
keatsblake100 11 months ago
@keatsblake100 Thank you!! good idea! Maybe we meet oneday in another chat room. I would quite like to continue our chat. all the best to you! Chris
chriswalmer 11 months ago
@chriswalmer On Yahoo Messenger, there is also "Jewish" chat, "Muslim" chat, lots of different religion rooms, and so on. Sometimes it's easy to find people with whom to chat, and other times its harder...but you can find friends and add them to your list.
keatsblake100 11 months ago
@chriswalmer No prob. Good luck with that!
Paul
keatsblake100 11 months ago
@keatsblake100 nice example of all israeli SOUR losers ! , with all due respect for the low proportion of good ppl in israel
fre5aaa 11 months ago
@fre5aaa Ha, calling me a loser suggests there's a winner somewhere as well. Who might that be? Finkelstein? He has been rejected as a lunatic among the greater proportion (to use your mathematical term) of good academics around the globe. Even his supporters cannot help commenting on the hatred and anger that flows from his pen. He is an angry man.
keatsblake100 11 months ago
@keatsblake100 well someone that calm doesn't seem angry to me , also someone starts from the international perspective and UN entitles doesn't seem to say lunatic stuff to me, but mere reason ! if basing and supporting ur opinion with UN main terms makes u lunatic , i wonder what makes u sane or rational !, i think he's a winner , none of the "GOOD ACADEMICS" can win against him cuz he's merely stating facts , and if u say he's wrong , at least enlighten me , what's right ?!
fre5aaa 11 months ago
@fre5aaa I'm sorry, but I'm a little tired and can't think of anything to say at the moment. I might reply later, if I'm inspired enough. Long live Israel, and may its enemies perish. That's all for now. Sorry.
keatsblake100 11 months ago
@keatsblake100 I just saw this statement.. you seem to be able to do reasoning. I dont understand why you go down that route. I am inclined to think though, that its YOU who holds anti-something feelings. are you a racist/ fascist?
chriswalmer 11 months ago
What is it about Jews that people hate? Is it not Jews... is it Zionists? is it Israelis? what the hell is it.. I mean Mr. Finkelstein is Jewish.... I look at him as an idol, I think he makes my top 10 greatest men alive list.. What is it about the rest of the Jews that people despise ? Why is their such a word as antisemitism? Why did Hitler want JEWS dead?
dsmrider 1 year ago
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Napoleon40000 1 year ago
@Napoleon40000 How did the holocaust get pulled into this? i was asking a question.. why do people hate jews..thats the question.. I have no idea how you pulled the holocaust into this.. Mr. Finkelstein talks about his all the time, Jews automatically play the Holocaust card and look for petty. I'm Greek, there was a genocide in Turkey prior to the Holocaust just as much greeks and armenians died as jews in WW2. No one came to their aid.
dsmrider 1 year ago
@dsmrider . 1) I'm not a Jew, I'm just someone that hates racists and fascists. 2) Your question looks highly rhetorical in nature; if it's not then tell me straight whether or not you support Hitler's genocide to correct my mis-perception ? 3) I'm well aware of Turkish genocide of Greeks and Armenians and attended an Armenian genocide commemoration last year.
Napoleon40000 1 year ago
@Napoleon40000 I would not support any genocide or suffering for that matter, I am an atheist but a very moral humanist. Support Hitler's Genocide? No.. not in any way at all.. I do wish at times that some of the present day Jews were killed rather than the innocent ones during the holocaust. The world came together to end the suffering. After all was done they said " Never again!" ( never again will there be genocide while the UN is around ) . Present day, right now, this instant. Continued.
dsmrider 1 year ago
@Napoleon40000 Palestinians are being murdered and terrorized by the Israeli people. Israeli Jews should know better, they commit the same crimes which were imposed on them and when someone brings this up, they play the holocaust card. I applaud your empathy to the victims and the survivors of the holocaust. But I would rather focus on current day matters and not letting such events to happen again, which in my point of view is happening today. By the same people who suffered it.
dsmrider 1 year ago
@dsmrider You are wrong to accuse Israelis of committing genocide against Palestinians. This is not only innacurate but immoral, in my opinion. First of all, let's consider your point, that the Israelis are the same as the Nazis were. Let's say they want to wipe out every Palestinian man, woman, and child in Palestine. Even if they managed to do that, they still couldn't match the Nazis, because the Nazis were going for every Jewish man, woman, and child in every corner of the earth.
keatsblake100 1 year ago
@keatsblake100 It is not much different, just on a smaller scale. Either way it's sad to see Jews doing this to others. They should know better, they should stop crying about what happened to them and realize they are doing to others exactly what has been done to them. The pain which apparently haunts them still, is the same type of pain they inflict on the palestinians...
dsmrider 1 year ago
@dsmrider Well, what can I tell you? I've tried to explain that Israelis are not taking revenge for the Hollocaust on the Palestinians. I mean, why not go after Germans, if anyone at all? Why not send secret spies to Germany and kill off the German people? After all, it's the Germans who murdered the Jews in WWII, not the Palestinians.
Why were Palestinians suicide bombing Jews? Who but the craziest and most violent of people would do this? Why didn't Germany's Jews bomb Germans?
keatsblake100 1 year ago
@keatsblake100 I'm not saying they are taking out their anger or getting even with the world by taking it out on Palestine, I'm simply saying that they are causing much suffering to Palestinians, not as severe as the holocaust, but it is very similar. The Israelis and many Jews bring up the Holocaust, point and shout and seem to demand sympathy. Yet right now, in this day in age, they create something similar. This is the problem I have. The Palestinians have resorted to cheap tactics yes. CONT
dsmrider 1 year ago
@keatsblake100 They have no chance against Israels army it would never happen. The people are resorting to something like suicide bombing because that is probably the only way to get even I suppose you can say. I would be furious if I were the Palestinians. Conspiracy theories aside, they probably did take down the towers, yes. The question you must ask yourself, a question that Ron Paul has what I think a correct answer to. Is the US foreign policy, that' that.
dsmrider 1 year ago
@dsmrider Jews have been tortured and marginalized for many centuries without just cause - you'll have to agree with me at least on this point. Why haven't they responded violently for all these hundreds of years against those who have inflicted brutality against them? They didn't kill Russians when they lived under the antisemitic Czar, they didn't kill Polish people in antisemtic Poland, and they didn't hurt Germans during the Hollocaust. So why do the Palestinians blow up Jews?
keatsblake100 1 year ago
@keatsblake100 The obvious reason is because explosives weren't as available back then. Regardless, these people are being pushed to the edge and they are snapping to be quite honest I don't blame them, I'm sure I would act irrational considering the consequences. You make the arabs seem to be the terrorists here, which is not right at all. Far more Palestinian soldiers and especially civilians have been killed by the Israelis. The Jews have broken the law and they do not pay.
dsmrider 1 year ago
@dsmrider You would act irrationally if you were in the Palestinians' shoes? You would strap explosives to yourself and bomb innocent men, women, and children? I wouldn't bet on it.
In order to take extreme measures against Israel as a Palestinian, you would have to be completely indoctrinated in their Islamic-extremest ideoogy.
Palestians firmly believe - according to their interpretation of the Qu'ran - that Israel and the Jews are their arch enemy.
keatsblake100 1 year ago
@keatsblake100 dude , no one likes to blast himself up even for heaven , but , everyone likes to give the one who makes their lives a LIVING HELL some of their own medicine , see , since random bombardment , F-16 assassinations that kills 13 passers by along with the wanted , since they stopped , SUICIDING also stopped , trust me keep nice attitude , they will be nice to u !
fre5aaa 11 months ago
@dsmrider This is the reason why they don't mind dying as suicide bombings. We know very they believe they will go to paradise after such a bombing. It is beyond understanding that they would dance and celebrate in the streets after a successful suicide murder mission.
They are ideologically programmed to hate Israel and Jews, and they will not rest until Israel is eliminated. There is a very clear religious justification for their brutal behavior, and it is sactioned by Allah.
keatsblake100 1 year ago
@keatsblake100 It's not even just that, the Israelis use sick tactics as well. I mean damn using white phosphorus the way that they do is disgusting. The soldiers beat children, knock down homes, execute the Palestinians, bomb their schools, take out their farms, hold the international aid which they need so badly... There is much more to add to this list. The Palestinian at the end of the rope, probably lost his family , has nothing to live for. Straps a bomb to his chest and retaliates.
dsmrider 1 year ago
@dsmrider So, let's say Israel did the impossible, and killed every Palestinian in Palestine. Well then, there would no longer be a Palestinian problem, and they'd be very happy, right? But would they then go and hunt down Palestinians in all other countries in the world? In the UK, in the USA? In Germany? No way. That's because they do not have an ideology of hartred against Palestinians. They do not think Palestianians as a people are evil or pose a threat to the Jewish people.
keatsblake100 1 year ago
@keatsblake100 They are abusing and killing civilians. They have been destroying farms, homes and keep occupying land which does not belong to them. If you do not find this aggressive then I do not know what could.
dsmrider 1 year ago
@dsmrider On the contrary. Israelis are only principally worried - and for good reason, as we all know - with those Palestinians who are in their immediate proximity- in other words, their hostile neighbors. In fact, Israel is surrounded by Hostile Arab and Muslim nations on all sides. They don't have Sweden or Norway for neighbors. It's fashionable these days on university campuses in the West to accuse Israel of Nazi-like behavior, but this rhetoric is simplistic and cruel.
keatsblake100 1 year ago
@dsmrider But let me address a question you had in another post. You asked why the big fuss over Jews, and why is there antisemitism? Well, there is antisemitism wherever there is Christianity or Islam. It began with Christianity in Western Europe. The Jews were literally seen as the Devil incarnate. According to Christians, they killed Jesus. Therefore, If they could kill the son of God, they could also be capable of doing the worst kinds of evil imaginable.
keatsblake100 1 year ago
@dsmrider So that is how it all began. Jews were evil, not to be trusted, because they killed the Savior, and rejected his divine word afterwards as well. As the centuries wore on, and as religion began to weaken as a political form of authority with the separation of church and state, the Jews were accused of other wrongs. They were still hated, but this time for being greedy, or wanting to control the economies of the nations in which they inhabited, or even the world.
keatsblake100 1 year ago
@Napoleon40000 I'm honestly really curious as to how you jumped to the holocaust please explain.. Because all I was asking is why people hate jews.. Oh and by the way...being a JEW means to believe in a certain religion not being a race.. So where you got racism from beats me too.. Like where did you pull that out of???!!! " I wonder why so many people go after and hate Jews" ----- " you racist piece of shit, go look for shoes at auschwitz!" please explain your comment.
dsmrider 1 year ago
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If you look closely at Finkelstein - very closely at his features - you will find he resembles an Arab much more than a Jew. I think we've found the foundation for his views.
keatsblake100 1 year ago
If you look closely at Finkelstein - very closely at his features - you will find he resembles an Arab much more than a Jew. I think we've found the foundation for his views.
keatsblake100 1 year ago
@keatsblake100 wow your a moron,
sharafudin2 1 year ago
@keatsblake100 Yes and his parents weren't Aushwitz and Wrsaw getto survivers. Oh wait. They were -_-.
illistas 1 year ago
@illistas I once saw a Finkelstein YT debate in which he keeps accusing pro-Israel supporters of continually "exhuming the dead" from the Hollocaust to bolster their deceitful political agendas. On the other hand, we constantly see Finkelstein himself talking about his parents' tragic deaths in order to debunk accusations that he's a self-despising Jew. I think it's a little hypocritical, at the very least.
keatsblake100 1 year ago
@illistas But seriously, just because his parents died in the Hollocaust doesn't mean a thing as far as his political and personal energies against Israel are concerned. Just think about some of the truly corrupt and oppressive regimes out there today- like China, North Korea, and Iran - just to name a few. And how about Russia? What a corrupt and volatile country that is. Just think about the human rights abuse going on around the world today. Israel is a paradise in comparison.
keatsblake100 1 year ago 2
@keatsblake100 There are videos here on youtube where he explicitly states that he does not like pulling the holocaust card, he only does so when people accuse him from anti-Semitism. Also yeah, Israël is a paradise...when you are Jewish and do not speak up to loud. Hell even David Hirsh got flamed at and depicted as some anti-Israël leftist, when all he said was; the Palestinians deserve better, Israël is commiting atrocities in Gaza.
illistas 1 year ago
@illistas Look, between me and you, I suppose there is something related to racism of one sort or another going on in Israel, in a way. But what can be done? Most Europeans, lots of Americans, and of course the vast majority of Muslims, dislike Jews. There is no denying this - and their antisemitism is thoroughly ideological, and has had centuries to fosilize. It's true but sad, man.
keatsblake100 1 year ago
@illistas That is why no matter how well Jews have integrated in any country where they have lived; no matter what achievements they've made; no matter what they have contributed to the political or economic landscape of those countries, they will always stand alone in the end. That's why they need a place just for them. Yes, as much as I hate to say it, they are special. Jews are in fact different, and it's not their fault. It's antisemitism's fault. It made them who they are today.
keatsblake100 1 year ago
@illistas So why does Finkelstein and his mentor Chomsky speak about so fiercely about Israel? Truly, I don't know. Perhaps for attention. Let's take a look at Chomsky. He had already revolutionaized linguistics in the fifties and sixties. What was left to do after that? Not much as far as the study of language was concerned. He reached the pinnacle of his fame, but what to do after that? Well, why not write against mainstream views of Israel and the US? That made him very famous.
keatsblake100 1 year ago
@keatsblake100 Maybe because there is something wrong in the country they both have ties to as a Jew? And dude, criticism on Israel is not racism. There might just be something wrong going on as well.
illistas 1 year ago
@illistas Well, there's something wrong, for sure. And even Allen Dershewitz- who wrote a couple of books or more praising Israel and defending its right to exist- has said that he encourages criticism about Israel and says he does the same himself. He said this while debating Chomsky, I think.
I don't know anyone who would disagree that Israel is capable of mishchief, but don't you think using terms like "genocide" or "crimes against humanity" is going too far?
keatsblake100 1 year ago
@illistas The thing about the Finkelsteins of the world is that they actually demonize Israel, calling it a racist state that they want nothing to do with. But take a look at Sweden; it's full of Swedes; and Germany of Germans; Bangladesh of Bengalis, and so on. Do we call those Countries racist Countries? Israel is full of Jews. So what's the big deal?
Germany, for example, is actually famous for its intolerance of foreigners, known to those particular Germans as "outsiders."
keatsblake100 1 year ago
@illistas So maybe Finelstein's just an attention seekeras well. Maybe.
Think about the history of antisemitism. And remember that antisemitism is, and always will be, there. Whether based on secular or political or racial reasons, it's here to stay, without a doubt. It's embedded in the ideooogy of the West and Islam. But the Jews have a homeland now, with a strong military and intelligence services. So try them apples, antisemites of the world, wherever you are!
keatsblake100 1 year ago
May ALLAH bless this brother. That's a real man right there.
obreezyo 1 year ago
Arabs will never recognize the state of Israel, and Israel does everything to Arab that keeps their openion about Israel last for ever..
arabsmoon 1 year ago
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rocksparadox 1 year ago
@arabsmoon That sounds like such determination that only complete eradication with extreme prejudice can be the solution for peace in Israel?
rocksparadox 1 year ago
why is it that israel can't be told to stop the bullshit.
sanstion the hello out of them .
Oh I forgot American is backing them up, how dumb of me.
Israel gets money from American every year , tell you congresman that you need that money back in the hamds of americcans sanction israel it's the only way.
allantapps 1 year ago
IM A ARAB MUSLIM,I VOTE FOR MR,FINKELSTEIN,TO SPEAK ON BEHALF,OF ALL,ARAB,AND MUSLIM,COUNRTY,BECAUSE ALL OUR MUSLIM LEADER,ARE ABSOLUTEY MORONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MrKareem01 1 year ago 34
@MrKareem01 u votign FOR Norm the Fecal Stain gives u no honors really.
it is all very sad. your mind is a prisoner of the Cult of Force and Power that is iZlam.
If The Highest One had returned the Jews to JEWDEA, who are you to fight against His Will? Yet you do, for the last 100 years.
The stone and the tree say to you "Kill the Jews" and you hear THEM, not the Highest One. What kind of a muslim are you? Answer - no kind at all. U R muZlim, not muslim, coz u do not submit to HIS WILL.
aoeaoae 1 year ago
@MrKareem01 i agree with you as a Muslim all our Muslim leaders have been sold there soul for money.
sharafudin2 1 year ago
the smirk on Finkelstein's face is priceless!
shtafey 1 year ago
the smirk on Finkelstein's face is priceless!
shtafey 1 year ago
@Tripockets you live by the Bible? Somehow it doe'nt seem likely.
So what d'you care what's written in it?
That JEWDEA - "The Land of the Jews" - was known as such everywhere, for 1800 years prior to Muzlim Arabian invasion, is undeniable. The Bible is but one historical artifact from that era that proves the existence of the Jewish People in that Land back then. Since then that people's uninterrupted existence is also an undeniable fact of human history. End of story.
aoeaoae 1 year ago
arguing with norm the fecal stain is like arguing with goebbels. goebells would feel proud for his talented apprentice.
now call me an antisemite because i the fecal stain calls itself a jew and i dared calling it what it is - a fecal stain. or call me a nazi because i called it IT and not HE - normally a terrible thing to do. I would't do that to Nasralla even. He actually has an excuse, of being born into the terrible brainwashing cult of force and power, Islam.
aoeaoae 1 year ago
@aoeaoae a typo. should read:
"now call me an antisemite because the fecal stain calls itself a jew and i dared calling it what it is" ... etc.
aoeaoae 1 year ago
@aoeaoae Finkelstein's grasp on facts and history are unmatched on this issue which is why his opposition always gets destroyed. When they can't debate the issues or argue for their cause they all resort to petty insults.
Just like you are doin here :) when you can't debate the issues you try to change the subject. Truth hurts doesn't it :P
uchihaangelus 1 year ago 3
@uchihaangelus yeah his grasp on a fecal matter is uncanny, Goebells woud be proud. Arguing with Norm the Fecal Stain is like arguing with Goebbels.
now call me an antisemite because Norm the Fecal Stain calls itself a jew and I dared calling it a fecal stain that it is.
let's see. if I were to say "u r a cock sucking POS, u enjoy sucking shit stained cocks day and night" would it make you feel good? make u feel hurt and uncomfortable? would that be a proof it is true, then?
THINK, MAN
aoeaoae 1 year ago
Norman had a grin on his face the whole time haha.
bfoaliali 1 year ago
@bfoaliali u r a prisoner of izlam.
aoeaoae 1 year ago
@Tripockets- Well my friend, REREAD THE TORAH.
It doesn't matter how much the Jews have sinned, they are still Jews. that is the basic rule of Judaism. read more. thus, 85% of the population in israel are Jews, sinners or not sinners.
0kcomputer 1 year ago
@Tripockets I am a Yemenite Jew moron. I read your comment and ignorant would be a compliment for you. It's not the genes you pathetic moron. It's the heritage. if you want to convert to Judaism, ask me how... HAHAHA
0kcomputer 1 year ago
my channel has some of the latest from Norman Finkelstein
jmzimmerman1984 1 year ago
@jmzimmerman1984 - And that makes you what? another loonie that follows his guro?
0kcomputer 1 year ago