Hulk (2003) - Born Again

[hatys4]

best scene was when hulk was on the fighter jet and when they got near space he falls and the jet fighter flys into space

[bigyou5]

@hatys4 that was one of my favourite parts to it showed what was really going on in the hulks head!!

[DarthSithShem]

ehh They were both good movies... but 08 seems to be more to the comics ironicly

[akrivosdiavolos73]

Banna and Ang Lee 2003 Version SUCKS!!!!! Only thing good is Jennifer Connelly thats about it...

[heartlessjerk]

@akrivosdiavolos73 08 version sucks, the only thing better is the cgi

[Sk8erman54321]

He sounds so high....Bomm...Bommm....Bommmm

[mrbigtime81]

Eric Bana acted BESt. i hated new HULK..

[osornioluis]

how big does hulk groww to?????

[orinanime]

in the comics about 10ft.

in the 03 movie, around 20ft, but he fluxuates a lot.

in the new movie, around 10ft.

[bartman30012]

But hulk gets taller so you ignored that so he is really only 10ft at first.

[orinanime]

Hulk doesnt get taller in the comics.

Only in the Ang Lee movie.

Don't put me through this again.

We argued for like a week straight, because you're a fucking retard who won't accept fact after fact I presented you with, even after you asked me to.

You're sad. Really fucking sad.

Don't talk to me anymore.

[archuletarox321]

lmao the "bhooming" literally killed me in the theatre.

[planky657]

i love the 2003 hulk

never saw 2008 but i now i like 2003 more cause i hear it is more emotional and the 2008 is all fighting

[kwanlifu]

This Hulk was better than the new one, more complex and deeper

[EXCIDIVMFERO]

Great scene

[Bensayhi94]

03 15ft 5000bls at least powerful stronger bigger but was hard to get pissed

08 8-10ft tall 1500lbs and much weaker then this one IMO but was easy to piss off and was more violent

[rencas]

hulk movie was good. and anyone who says otherwise does probably only react to violence and stupidity. Same like the people who didn't like the Superman Returns movie.

[planky657]

i know right i like this hulk there is more emotion

never saw the new hulk and i dont want to cause i heaer it is all fighting

[IronSatanica]

AWSOME

[Beatlescutie93]

I don't care what anyone says about "The Hulk" movie i really like this version with Eris Bana.

[blingkingl]

yeah the new 1 sucks!

[Beatlescutie93]

I dont no about that but i think this version rocks!

[mikeym5]

Wrong! The 2003 one sucked!

[blingkingl]

just my oppinion and if i think 2003 one was better then the 2008 one then thats my oppinion.

[mikeym5]

Who cares what YOU say about The Hulk?

[Beatlescutie93]

Well, who cares what YOU say about The Hulk?

[thomas007]

theres a ton of people out there that prefer this version... myself included... and i am a hulk comic fan... ang lee did a great job on his interpretation. the new hulk seemed depowered...

[starwars34]

i agree thomas

[JOKERSFREAK]

How the fuck can you think 2008's Hulk was depowered? Everyone knows about the Hulk, we don't need an hour and a half of a movie to explain it to us. EVERYONE KNOWS! No principal villains and it was boring. Superman was just boring. Almost three god damn hours and the ending was pathetically anti-climatic. These movies don't need "deep" backstories. We all know about them. The 2008 movie was short and amazing. Told everything it needed to and had great fights. Fact: This movie sucks.

[ShadesAtKnight]

Well not everyone knows the backstories to these characters. Just cause we grew up with the theme doesnt mean everyone else in the world did.

Eg: We need to say why the hell Banner becomes Hulk. We need to say what Superman's home planet was. We need to say what exactly a mutant is. We need to say why Peter Parker is Spider-Man. What need to say why Bruce Wayne became Batman. We need to do this, otherwise audiences would be asking so many questions. on why characters did this-and-that.

[JOKERSFREAK]

You find me one random person on the street that doesn't know the backstory to Hulk or Spiderman and I'll give you a handshake. These movies don't need "deep" stories. That just takes away everything that people like about them. You can't approach a Hulk movie the same way you would Spiderman or Supes. People don't want to see a boring ass drawn out movie about Bruce Banner fighting his "inner demons". God damn, sometimes a little less of something is for the better.....

[ShadesAtKnight]

Its not as simple as saying, Kyrpton blew up, or Banner was hit by gammer rays. WHY did this happen! Thats why origin stories need to be told. When your rebooting a film, such as The Incredible Hulk did last year, you dont need to tell it all over again, cause most know now, but you still need to some-what address it.

Superhero movies need a backstory. Directors like Bryan Singer & Chris Nolan & Jon Favreau & Sam Raimi have all done good jobs at telling the backstory for their characters.

[JOKERSFREAK]

That's why I'm defending the reboot. When movies like this get too "preachy", people don't like them except the core audience. As a "hulk" movie that tries to address key issues about the character, Lee's is good. But that's not what people want when they see the trailers. It's too long and drawn out for people to care. That's why people hated his and favored Norton's. It's simple, tells the basic background for the character and runs with it. Unaware audiences don't want "preachy" comic movies.

[bartman30012]

the thing is this was better if you like a steroid using overpowered invincible hulk but if you want a deep story of his pain and pyscological thinking take this that's a fact.

[JOKERSFREAK]

He wasn't invincible and he didn't look like a steroid nut. No fucking deep stories exist with the Hulk. I don't care what garbage you read from some asshat writer trying to make the Hulk deeper than what he is. Stop trying to make a fucking green monster from a comic book seem like deep emotional works of art.

[bartman30012]

Idiot he is deep his dad beat him! this caused his anger go look it up also he even cried at his dads funeral.And he did look like a seteroid user look at them muscels his strength he did.And also read the stories for once he had a kid and lost them on planet hulk returned to earth to kill everyone in world war hulk no that's not deep revenge is never deep asshole no one agrees with you.

[orinanime]

his dad never beat him.

his dad completely neglected him.

and then banner accidentally killed his dad later in life.

god this movie just ignores the comics non-stop.

[bartman30012]

actually he did there is even a scene in one comic where he throws baby banner on the ground.

[orinanime]

find it.

and it better not be some stupid movie tie-in comic.

I bet it is.

[bartman30012]

I will quote the comment you said to me.

"his dad never beat him.

his dad comepletly neglected him.

and then banner accidently killed him later in life.

god this movie just ignores the comics non stop.

It's funny you say that when the movie from 08 used the tv show changed all the villans origins and the there looks and hulk's origin.03 kept dad beting him and trying to kill him killing his mom by acciedent and if that's isn't enough hulk stayed the same height and chubby like in the 1st.

[orinanime]

In the comics, his father completely ignores him and attempts to keep his mon away from him. He frequently leaves Bruce in the care of the neglectful Nurse Meachum.

He attacks Bruce ONCE and only ONCE in the comics, because he thinks his son inherited his evilness,

Then over 15 years later, Bruce accidentally kills his father.

I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT MORON!

[bartman30012]

Actually i have read the comics and you don't know i even saw a photo on a tv show talking about comics and read the comic where he is slapped by his father at 1 i belive.And he attacks bruce emotionally aswell when he was a kid read the first comics the ones you claim you read.

[orinanime]

never ceases to amaze me how you can't put a sentence together.

you saw a picture on tv of a comic where Bruce Banner is slapped by his father as a baby.

riiiiiiiiight.

[bartman30012]

yeah the histroy of comics narrated by keaith david i belive it was part 4 where they talked about 911 and child abuse.

[bartman30012]

And also it wasn't once we don't see this happen but from what is said they indured 7 years of abuse from the man his mother tried to escape with bruce but is killed.

[orinanime]

she was abused by him.

not bruce.

bruce was neglected by his father.

god you're stubborn.

[bartman30012]

No go loook it up he was abused go look it up! idiot!.

[orinanime]

I have looked it up.

Can't find anything that says Banner's dad physically abused him as a child.

I've seen plenty that says he abused the mother, attacked Bruce later in life, killed the mother, and got killed by Bruce years later.

And that's all.

[bartman30012]

and the hulk stories were deep just to correct you unless you don't consider a man who can never find ahppiense and always searching for a cure and the green monster being hautned by memories he doesn't want but you don't think that's deep huh?.

[orinanime]

i never said Hulk wasn't deep? where'd you get that from?

[jayv4fingers]

That said, I actually prefer the 2008 movie. (a) Liv Tyler, (b) That dude from "Lie to Me" playing a Russian -- and there's a backstory they ruined, (c) Edward Norton hs been a favorite actor since 'Fight Club' and 'American History x', and (d) It's actually exciting to watch, action and non-action alike.

But the 2003 Ang Lee movie had a ton to offer to the person who wanted more character and less violence.

[JOKERSFREAK]

Exactly! I'm not hating that movie just to hate it. Lee's was great, but it wasn't what people wanted. Sure I posted bias comments for the new Hulk, but that's not the point. Lee's Hulk actually made it seem like Banner was human and not a story device for action (Quote from Roger Ebert in his review for Wolverine Origins). My point was simply that people outside of comic fans didn't want THAT Hulk. When people think Hulk they don't want The Godfather, they want action. Both are great....

[locknez1munster]

Oh, well see there's your problem. Quit listening to what that fat twinky, Roger Ebert has to say about any film. Ebert's the type that would rather watch Broke Back Mountain than watch The Hulk 2003, anyways.

[locknez1munster]

Booochips!!! At least you see the Hulk more than 2 times in The Hulk then you do in The Incredible Hulk. I was trying to figure out if I was watching The Incredible Hulk or The Incredible Banner.

[orinanime]

You see Hulk about 4 times in both movies.

03: 1) First Transformation 2) Dog Fight 3) Army Fight 4) Fights his dad at the end.

08: 1) Factory fight 2) Army Fight 3) The Experiment 4) Abomination fight

(there's also the flashback to the accident, but I'll leave it off).

Also, 03 is 138 min. long. No Hulk for the first 40ish min. And maybe a total of 25 minutes of Hulk.

08 is 112 min long; he's the Hulk in like the first 20 min. And we see him for like 25 min.

So more Hulk in 08

[bartman30012]

Notice you see freddy jkruger more in the other elm street films but see him only a little and usally concealed in the first film it's the only one that did good.I reast my case goodday and question why start this up again?.

[orinanime]

no one started anything up with you at all.

I was talking to locknez1munster.

YOU responded to me.

Go away.

I argued you down before. I don't feel like dealing with you again.

You sad internet stalker.

[bartman30012]

You did actually in my inbox of comment's you replied to me and i will quote it if you wish it was there you might have meant to talk to someone else but replied to me directly you seem to confuse changing an orgin with ruining a film ang lee had imagination and did something to hulk never done before funny fans will enjoy some changes batman but hate others hulk 03.

[orinanime]

Well, I responded to locknez1munster.

So, don't respond to me anymore.

You're an annoying retard who I don't feel like arguing with anymore.

For the love of god, go away.

[bartman30012]

Wow you tell someone to leave you alone then insult you whore you should have pointed that out before blindly insulting me again! now your getting angry look you rout numbered so just give in your wrong your a troll and let it be the end.

[orinanime]

How am I outnumbered?

You're the only one still talking.

I'll insult you all I want. 'Cause it's so easy. And you get so mad when I do.

You started the insults in our first encounter. Now you're back.

So just go away.

[bartman30012]

Wow someones having atemper tantrum your trolling you started this up again you opened pandoras box now it won't close.

[orinanime]

I'm not having a temper tantrum.

I'm not the one so mad, he can't use a keyboard.

Calm down, maybe you'll be able to type normally.

You're the one trolling. You're the one bothering me.

After I've told you repeatedly to leave me alone.

[bartman30012]

You are your even prooving it by talking about my typing when it isn't a needed skill or one that many people know infact many of the people who know how type well took classes for most of there school year.Trolling? that means i follow you and stuff you started this back up when you replied to me why start up and then back up and now your saying you didn't when it's in my inbox.

[jayv4fingers]

They cut Hulk out of the first three minutes of '08, too, so if they hadn't, it would have been five.

[locknez1munster]

Very, very good. I see you did your homework. Still, I don't know what it is but '08 hulk's appearance didn't strike my interest. I like Ed Norton as an actor but compared to Eric Bana's version of Bruce Banner, Eric had it all the way. Norton seemed to "cool" for a distorted, and socially disturbed scientist. It didn't even seem to bother him that at any moment he could turn and wipe a whole city out in 30 min.

[orinanime]

he was worried a lot. actually. go watch again.

he's super paranoid and fidgety.

Also, one must remember, Eric's reactions to Hulk were because he just became Hulk.

The Banner in 08 has been dealing with it for a while.

And had those calming exercises.

[orinanime]

yeah, but the character development we got in 2003 for Banner was all wrong.

And the backstory, was nothing like any of the comics this movie is supposed to be based on.

[bartman30012]

Neither was 08 it followed the tv show.

[orinanime]

Oh you fucktard.

We've HAD this discussion.

Why are you coming back for more!?

I proved my point already.

The 08 movie had THREE, count 'em THREE homages to the TV show.

The rest of the movie was ALL comic-book. And a LOT more of the comic book than the 03 flick.

Go AWAY

[jayv4fingers]

We're not reading a comic book, we're watching a movie. If a movie were exactly like a comic then the filmmaker would be sacked for not being creative.

Ang Lee may have ruined his 2003 Hulk, but he was at least doing something different.

And besides that -- not being a fan of comic books -- I know that things have been retconned and essentially origins had been changed or tweaked.

Did Banner test himself with gamma rays in the original comic, or was it a bomb? '08 messed up th backstory, too?

[orinanime]

Yeah, that's why Sin City, 300, IronMan and Watchmen did so poorly.

Oh wait no they didn't.

They were pretty damn faithful to the source material, and were great.

In answer to your other question:

Hulk has 2 basic origins.

Originally, it was a GammaBomb going off that irradiated him. Later it was a Lab Experiment he was working on gone wrong.

Ang Lees used a new plot with his father and DNA alteration.

[bartman30012]

Actually watchmen wasn't really accepted by the creator he seemed pretty damned pissed in all his interview's 300 failed with mainstream critics and was beaten out after a week by ninja turtles.Sin city i will give you that one.And also it had nothing to do with bruces dna it had to do with the nanomites you seem to go for the unrealistic ones but jump away from the realistic one the dna was made just to have a reason for him to survive the experiment he had no powers from it because.

[orinanime]

"Actually watchmen wasn't really accepted by the creator"

If you knew anything about anything you'd know that Alan Moore has hated every movie version of any of his work. Because he doesn't want any of his work to be made into movies, but they get made anyway.

There you go with that 'realistic' crap again.

We've had this argument.

You gave up before. And now you're back.

I'm not doing this again.

Go away.

[bartman30012]

You borguth it back up and when did i give up? i recall you never replying.

[orinanime]

Just like now, I've replied to ALL of your posts.

You're the one that quit after I proved you to be a complete moron over and over again.

Now, seriously, go away.

[bartman30012]

no you didn't infact you left off my comment was still there waiting but i never got a reply.

[orinanime]

i seriously did.

Maybe you never got the notification. Just like you magically got notified when I replied to someone else's post.

Riiiiiiiight.

[bartman30012]

No you didn't you replied to mine if it was a mistake then own up to it but when a guy quotes the exact thing you said then yeah you might have done just don't act like it's out there seeing as i asked the other guy and he said he never got a reply from that so you had to have sent it to someone else aka me.

[orinanime]

whatever dude.

like i said, I'm tired of talking to you.

Psycho.

I'm done.

Not responding to you anymore on this matter.

[bartman30012]

You did you calling me a psycho? you started this back up and now are trying to back out and play victim after your horrible and rude comment's and i'm the psycho.Yeah you will punks like you think there big and bad when someone can challenge them and proove them wrong they run run punk run run with your til inbetween your legs and go under a rock punk.

[orinanime]

"you did you calling me a psycho?"

Good job there.

Look, do I need to remind you of the nasty rude hateful posts you posted in the past full of insults and foul language, that got me so angry in the first place?

You can't be a total shit to someone and then be confused when they utterly hate you.

You started this crap originally. and because of an apparent misdirected post, you come back with more arguments.

You're the punk.  Getting crazy on me.

I'm trying to walk away from this, jerk.

[bartman30012]

I tried to be civil you didn't think you'll get a nobel peace prize for trying to be a shit back?.I tried to make p for it i tried to calmly sort this out but you got angry and flipped at me ok?.I just wanted you to admit you misdirected your post but you not only denied insulted me even when i was civil.And ok orginally that was 2 months ago!.You misdirected the post to my two month old comment.More arguement's i noticed your lack of knowledge on hulk and his past tried to be nice got attacked.

[orinanime]

" i noticed your lack of knowledge on hulk and his past tried to be nice got attacked. "

Riiiiiiight.

First, you weren't 'nice' at all. Unless calling me idiot is your way of being nice.

Second, my lack of knowledge? HA!  I know more about Hulk than you certainly do.

I know more about comics in general than you.

Everyone else on this board is like 'i see you know what youre talking about'.

You're the only one who won't admit it.

I argued you down the first time we talked and this time

[bartman30012]

You never argued me down you never replied and not everyone else infact all you have done is thrown insult's and gotten angry and even given flase info.And hulk isn't the only comic out ther ei know alot about comics but of course ignorant people think you mess up once you know nothing.i won't admit it because your wrong i sent a link that prooves i'm right.

[orinanime]

I listed ALL of the innacurate moments in Both movies. And ALL the things they got right.

03 got way more wrong.

And you didn't have a damn thing to say afte that.

THAT'S how I argued you down.

None of that was false info.

Don't even try.

I proved my point before.

I don't need to do it again.

If you're too stubborn, and don't know when to give up, fine. Just go be a stubborn jerk with someone else.

[bartman30012]

And you did insult me you keep bringing up a discussion we had 2 month's ago and acting as if it justify's things now your not being civil and i called you an idiot? when!.

[orinanime]

one of your fist posts to me on this thread:

"go look it up! idiot!."

Good job not even remembering what you typed.

Then later calling me 'idiot' some more and 'punk'.

Yet you want everyone to think im the jerk.

ALL of my insults have been in retaliation of ALL the insults you've thrown my way since the very first time you talked to me.

[bartman30012]

I mean here lets end this to me and alot of people 03 was betetr from what i saw in reviews 03 had a better story better development and better acting.08 got great summer blockbuster but nothing else to me and critics 08 sacrificed great story originality and a human aspect for cheap actin scenes bad acting and a story straight from the comics making it feel long and drawn out.But that's my opinion the only reason to me hulk did bad was it was smart 08 did good because it was just plain action.

[orinanime]

There you go with the reviews again.

I listed TONS of reviews showing that most critics thought 08 was better.

And that NONE of those reviews rambled on about the action, like you said they do.

08 had a great story, and was faithful to the comics.

Funny how you say 08 was long and drawn out. That's what most people say about 03.

It wasn't just plain action.

If you dont want to admit it. That's your problem.

Go ahead. Keep being a stubborn fool.

Just leave me alone.

[bartman30012]

Shut up! god i am sick of being civil! i tried i really did! i'm not being stuborn i'm having an opinion you can't handle that you can't handle that some people didn't enjoy you can't handle the fact just because you keep true to the original doesn't make it good!.I though it was just plain action explain the character development in 08 and the story.Your the stuborn fool you can't handle someone thinking differently even when they try to come to an end and be nice.

[orinanime]

"Shut up!"

Here we go, again. Whenever I prove you wrong, and point out that I've proved you wrong you freak out and get pissed.

You are stubborn.

I don't care that you didn't enjoy it. I care that your reasons are biased, unfounded, and lousy.

Being faithful to the source material DOES usually make it good.

If YOU thought it was just plain action then you must not have been watching the same movie as the rest of us.

[bartman30012]

I got mad so what? you got mad and insulted me through everything when i tried to be civil.

[orinanime]

Character development.

Banner and Blonsky go through the most. General Ross, goes through a bit of development.

Banner goes from being paranoid and on the run to being brave and confronting his problem. Goes from hating the Hulk (something they left out of 03) to realizing that he needs the Hulk in order to help people. Sacrificing his happiness for the good of others.

Blonsky goes from being a soldier, realizing he's washed up, to being an obsessed psychopath.

Ran out of room. Continued

[bartman30012]

Banner gets development? paranoid yeah i'll give you that.Bruce did sacrafice his happeinse and confronted his deamons his father and tried to commeit a heros suicide.Blonsky sighned because he wanted to fight again and make some carnage.And also the development in this film is very simular to 08s taken in different ways but very simular for some chracters look let just end this like i said before we have different opions i will never understand why your angry at me for hating something goodbye.

[orinanime]

I'm not angry at you for hating something.

Why can't you understand that??!

Hell, I'm not even angry anymore.

I WAS angry because of how rude and stubborn you were.

You asked me to list what each movie got wrong and right. I did.

You asked me to post reviews. I did.

I constantly explain how the 08 movie is more faithful.

AND you STILL argue with me about it.

[bartman30012]

No that was the old discussion drop that this now that was then i constatly explain why 03 was right you ignore the facts i explain why 08 was bad you ignore me you even belive staying true makes you good first nightmare on elm street didn't hulk relaunched didn't why should this? there were hints to other media you ignore these and the things the film got right and the website link i sent.

[orinanime]

"i constatly explain why 03 was right you ignore the facts"

You haven't presented ANY facts, at all. Just your opinions.

"i explain why 08 was bad you ignore me"

Because it's your opinion. Like when you said "I thought it was all action". Not facts.

"first nightmare on elm street didn't hulk relaunched didn't why should this?"

Seriously man. Type right. This is a perfect example of what I mean. That sentence makes no sense. Re-type it, so that it does.

[orinanime]

Blonsky signed on again, because he realized he was washed-up and wanted to beat that fact. So he wanted Banner's power. He became obsessed with it. Which is why he asked for the Super Soldier Serum. And why he had The Leader transform him into Abomination.

[orinanime]

Continued from last post:

General Ross goes through minor character development.

Changing from an confident commanding officer, to an obsessed crazed man. Then gives that up as he starts to care for his daughter again.

Then he's a bitter miserable failure by the end of the movie.

As for 03, the ONLY characters with any real development are Banner and General Ross.

Everyone else in that movie is a cardboard cut-out that never changes, or they have a drastic undevelopded random change.

[bartman30012]

Actually 08 ross was already obssesed by the end hes crazy he never stopped loving his daughter.banner and ross and betty and the ddad go through changes betty goes from loving banner to loving hulk and banner and hating her father by the end.The father goes from crazy to obsessed to pure evil.

[orinanime]

Betty goes from loving Banner to loving hulk? HOW?

The Father goes from being nuts, to stalker, to mad scientist villain.

BUT they don't develop it. You never see these changes, like you see with Banner and General Ross.

He's a completely different kind of character in each scene. No developing his changes at all.

[bartman30012]

Actually i said she went from loving banner to loving him and hulk you can tell she is soemwhat frightend by hulk and over his condition sh still loves him and loves the beast to notice she went to it knowing he wouldn't hurt her.And they do the father starts of loving with bruce but as he tries to cure him is cut off he goes crazy you see him go through changes he loves bruce but when he is attacked yb hulk he gets angry and broken making him crazy.

[orinanime]

"Actually i said she went from loving banner to loving him and hulk"

See I didn't get that because you don't use commas or anything. So your sentences are hard to make sense of.

"the father starts of loving with bruce but as he tries to cure him"

The father is never loving with Bruce. He's examining Bruce to study him.

And he Never tries to cure him.

He doesn't care for Bruce. Only Hulk. He says so. He says that he doesn't consider Bruce his son, but considers Hulk his real son

[bartman30012]

He does! you never watched the film he even says to betty "my obssesion grew from fasination to love" he plays bruce whn he gets his dolls and through his notes and even says to betty "i tried to cure him but your idiot father got in my way"

[bartman30012]

You never watched the film you just prooved it he did try to cure bruce he even says that to betty and that he loved him he says "my curiosity grew from fasination and eventually became love" and then tells her why he set the gama bomb off by saying "i tried to cure him but your idiot father and his friends cut me off before i could finsih my reasearch that's why id di what i did not uot of hate but a father's love! to spare him you must understand hee's a danger to all around him".

[orinanime]

I watched the film.

I actually watched it earlier today, with my girlfriend, because she's only seen the new one, so I showed her 03.

I remember the scene.

You clearly take everything at face value, and don't know how to read deeper.

He LOVED what his son could become, not his son.

And he was lying about the 'cure'. He was doing so, to alienate Bruce and trick Betty.

You need to learn how to analyze things better.

[nusucker]

Wrong. Bruces Father, hates Bruce he gives him the Fault that his Wife died, and idk how could they say the Follow the Comics when Bruces Father only Appears in Bruces Orgin and then never again...., and he also fears Bruces "Transformation", and don´t like it.

[bartman30012]

And you do see them you even notice he still loves bruce but when he is attacked like i said he wants the power he belives him a danger and belives by killing him he will save the world but in a hot second the power consumes him and he becomes what he though he was going to kill evil.

[orinanime]

i cant even reply to this comment.

if you don't learn to type, I'm just gonna start ignoring you.

I can't respond to a comment with no proper grammar. That last sentence doesn't even make proper sense.

[bartman30012]

proper? you haven't been civil or anything just lie after lie and insult.

[orinanime]

Wow,

you have no idea what I mean by proper.

I'm not talking about your attitude. I'm talking about you inability to PROPERLY COMMUNICATE.

"just lie after lie"

What fucking lies?

When have I lied? This whole time?!

I swear you call me a liar whenever you get mad. You must be mental or something.

[orinanime]

As I said, the only developed characters in 03 are Banner and Ross.

AND Banner's character development doesn't even work properly. He goes from being confused and worried about his new power, to LIKING IT (BANNER DOES NOT LIKE BEING THE HULK), to completely liking it, as he runs away to another country. Ross has the most and best development. He goes from being a severe man, to an obsessive soldier, to a caring father, to a sensitive man who sees his mistakes. Hes the best part of the movie.

[bartman30012]

The devlopment wasn't wrong it was realistic banner like in 08 he decides to controll it he only realizes this alot faster unlike unrealistic cheesy banenr from 08.he ran away to hide much like 08 banner he wanted to safe and free.Ross sdoesn't change he still wants hulk in the end he infact gets no chracter change and he is set on one thing killing hulk for a second he goes good but only for betty after that hes a war machine again.

[orinanime]

"The devlopment wasn't wrong it was realistic"

Realistic?! Yeah right? Prove it.

"he is set on one thing killing hulk"

He never wants to KILL the Hulk. He wants to capture it.

AND at the end battle, he tries to save Hulk and attacking Abomination.

[bartman30012]

Any real person would fear the power at first but evetually grow into understanding it and even becomming apart of it and trying to make good use out of it.that's 08 i'm talking 03.

[orinanime]

Fear it yes!!

And he does in the 08 movie.

Bruce actually likes the power in 03! He even says so.

He says he's not afraid of the power, but scared of himself, because he likes it.

[Benjifritz93]

@orinanime

He is afraid of the power because he cant control it, so he cant stop himself from hurting people when he want to.

He said that when he is the Hulk it feels good so why wouldnt he like it?

It just scares him that he likes it and thats all there is to it.

[orinanime]

no, what there is to it is this:

Bruce never likes being the Hulk.

That's one of the many things this movie screws up.

Moving on.

[Benjifritz93]

He may not like it but his body does and it scares him.

[orinanime]

no, it doesn't.

nothing about banner likes the hulk.

the only positive feeling towards the hulk he ever has, is it's untapped ability to help people, if it could ever be controlled.

Which is why he is okay when he becomes "Merged Hulk".

Every part of his being hates the Hulk, and he wants to destroy it.

That's one of the key elements of his character.

[Benjifritz93]

It just FEELS good being the Hulk because for him its relaxing and feels like dreaming. Altho he doesnt like the destruction he causes, his body just thinks that it feels good and he cant affect that.

[orinanime]

maybe in this movie.

but NEVER in the comics.

which is just another example of this movie totally screwing up the comics, and the writers and director not knowing a goddamn thing about the source material.

[nusucker]

Good? Bruce dislikes Hulk, and Hulk dislikes Bruce, thats because Bruce dislikes hulk because he destroyed his life, The Hulk instat dont like him because he is "Puny", basicly Ang kinda missed the point, it shouldn´t feel good, it should be painfull, and bruce should look at it like a Unhealable Sickness, and not like a Miracle.

[Benjifritz93]

@nusucker i didnt say that Banner sees the hulk as a miracle i just said that he likes the transformation.

[orinanime]

but he doesn't like it in the COMICS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!

which is why this movie is screwed up.

It's an adaptation of previously existing source material and it gets it ALL WRONG!!!!

Stop arguing.

You can like the movie.

I'm not telling you not to like the movie.

But it is NOT ACCURATE!!!

[nusucker]

Well, thats the Point xD, he dosen´t likes it..., its simple this Movie has Hulks Abilitys, but it didn´t have the Real Bruce Banner, it should be a Curse for him not, ahhh a Hot Bath, well..., lets settle it he dosen´t like it i dont complaine right now over a Fucking Movie xD sorry...

[orinanime]

which is why the new movie rocks so much.

[supremebeing87]

@nusucker He did sort of look at it like that near the end. The FIRST TIME he hulks out it is a new experience, but once he realized what is really going on, he didn't want to do it anymore, which is why he was trying to find a cure. Also, it wasn't like 2008's hulk was any more faithful to the source material. 2003 had more emotion, it was actually a film, whereas the 2008 version was just another run-of-the-mill comic movie for your summer entertainment. I go back and water Ang's hulk.

[ztslovebird]

@supremebeing87 Both versions were ok, but the 2003 movie was kind of confusing. Mostly because of how the film was edited, with multiple points of view and weird camera angles and stuff.

[supremebeing87]

@orinanime Don't forget that every part of the Hulk hates Bruce Banner because he is a "puny human". To the Hulk, Bruce is week and will never amount to anything.

[orinanime]

@supremebeing87

yep.

very true.

in my arguments about that movie, i mention frequently that the "Puny Human" scene is one of my favorite parts of the old movie

[Apolloisbest]

@supremebeing87 ya but in the 08 version the hulk never really confronts bruce or treats him like hes weak if the hulk 08 was so accurate like everyone says why did they not show a scene where it showed that we all know he hates the hulk but the hulk had no feeling towards bruce at all...in 08 his anger seemed really laid back and restrained and bruce never wanted to control his xformation he wanted to get rid of it he wasnt able to control his breathing to stop it either

[Apolloisbest]

@Apolloisbest both movies are not very accurate but the 03 version was just more pissed off never felt like he was tired of being chased like when the light hits the hulk in the end and hes got that i dont wunna fight look on his face or when the abomb confronts him he has that same look just dont see the RAGE he is suppose to have

[Aztexwarrior]

@Apolloisbest thank you thats just what i thought

[bartman30012]

And what was so great about 08 it wasn't human it wasn't realistic and honestly it was just plain loud and full of fighting like transformers 2 onely dif one was about green monsters the other other was about robots.

[bartman30012]

That other comment i made on what it hough was fom the heart you may not like me but honestly i could care less i gave my opinion and many others gooday goodbye enjoy your mindless action cardboar film and i will enjoy 03 the realistic artwork in my eyes at least.

[bartman30012]

Your the jerk see you allowed your anger to make you think i was still trying fight you when i really wanted simply answers and i wasn't rude in my post but instead you bring up two month old post to try saving your ass.Thatm got you angry in the first place? wow! you kept a grudge for two months? yeah and i'm the insane.

[bartman30012]

art 2 of the coment because raditation kills people they had to give a reason for him to survive he promised a somewhat realistic hulk and hulk was always taken apart by scientst infact 03 is the only one accpeted by them.

[bartman30012]

the backstory in 08 was all wrong and the chracter development was more human even if it didn't follow the comic's we gto a banner who wanted to help people.besides while in 08 he doesn't liek hulk at first by the end banner accept's him and it leads into the avengers as said in the commentary by teh director now either we get evil banner who does what he wants or good banner.

[orinanime]

you say the backstory is all wrong in 08...

and then admit that 03 didn't follow the comics.

the backstory in 08 was great.

at least it matched the comics and the rest of the hulk mythos.

ALL of 03s backstory was made-up crap.

[bartman30012]

And the backstory can be changed it doesn't matter but anyway 08 had the tv show's bacstory never remeber banner sitting in a chair and hulking out in the comics.Sometimes the origin doesn't matter that's all you've payed attetion to and the lack of action and those were the only good reasons for you to hate it.This film gave emotion like the comis even if it changed things 08 was action sex action again and action big battle scene with no story or charcter development til the very ending scene

[orinanime]

there was plenty of emotion in 08.

and there was no sex.

there's a scene were Bruce and Betty start making out. And nothing happens.

Plenty of story. Plenty of character.

If you refuse to see it. Fine. Be a moron.

I've said before I like both movies. I like the acting in 03. I like the acting in 08.

08 is simply a more faithful representation of the comic.

[bartman30012]

You poitned it out and let me say there was no chracter or story to critics or audeinces.And also why contiue to insult me honestly it's rude and disrespectful after i just got through honoring you ropinion.I can't wai for others to see how you act when someone's nice.

[orinanime]

Singer, Nolan, Favreau, and Raimi, all got the backstory right. 

That's the biggest problem with the 2003 Hulk.

Most of the backstory in this movie was completely made-up crap that never happened in the comics.

[bartman30012]

Actually it's funny you said that fans always think you follow the backstory it's perfect that's not true! learn that then talk to me.Sometimes made up crap works i don't rember batman having the tumbler or going to the mountains to train do you?.I don't rember tony going to iraq.Or spidey being bitten by a geneticly changed spider.Singer had an easy story that needed not to be talked about as stan lee said just call them muatant's no need to explain then.

[orinanime]

Woah woah woah.

First: When I talk about fans, I don't mean you. I mean smart people. That can properly form a thought.

Second: Everytime they redo IronMans story, they update to the most recent war. Just like they did in the movie.

I DO remember Bruce going to the mountains of Asia, and all over the world during his training.

And SPIDERMAN WAS ALWAYS BITTEN BY A SPIDER GENETICALLY ALTERED BY RADIATION!

ARE YOU SERIOUSLY THAT RETARDED!??!?!?!?!

[bartman30012]

First:nice insult makes you seem really big.

second:bruce didn't infact in the orginals he stays home and learns karate and only until the tv show was annouced where it would be set in a real world did comics update the show was cancelled and became smallvile.Lastly it was just a radiated spider never a spider geneticly changed go loook at the documentery called spiderman tech it explains that they chaged it from raidation becuase the spider would die it was a geneticlly altered spider.

[orinanime]

"bruce didn't infact in the orginals he stays home and learns karate"

HAHAAHA WROOOOOONG!!

Bruce disappears for at least 8 years, to train.

"it was just a radiated spider"

And the radiation, would alter the spider.

Please stop talking.

[bartman30012]

You need to stop talking idiot! hahahahahah! you really think radiation gives you superpowers it would have killed the spider and critics and the general audeince would have trashed it in turn there was no radiation used in spiderman the movie and my bad sorry though about something else another batman story and stuff.

[orinanime]

"you really think radiation gives you superpowers"

Uh, no. I don't.

I'm talking about the fact, that IN THE COMIC, the radiation altered the spider.

How does your brain worK?

How did you come up with that?

Seriously, you're crazy.

Go away.

[bartman30012]

yeah but see the thing is in the 30s and to the 80s it was cool but as raimi said radiation back then could make giant spiders in real life! at least that's what some people though ya know.I will ask you to chill out and relax no need to be rude no need to angry stop acting 5 and just relax

[orinanime]

30s??

Um, Spiderman was created in August 1962.

I never said radiation makes giant spiders.

I'm relaxed. You're the one calling me 'whore' and crap like that.

Do I need to go on the other discussion and paste sentences of you calling me "bitch" and "cunt" over and over again?!

Seriously, leave me alone.

[bartman30012]

No i mean i was talking about that is what people belived from the 30s to the 80s radiation could do anything back then stan even admited that's what he though.And also your bringing an old discussion and your not being calm look at your comment's from now look at my new ones nice and sweet.You started this back up again you wanted to pick a fight again.

[orinanime]

Nope. seriously done here.

In fact, I'm royally tempted to delete all my posts and pretend arguing with you AGAIN never happened.

Whether I replied to you was a mistake, it's not the point anymore.

For like at least 6 posts now, I've told you to end this and not respond to me any more.

And you keep bringing your stupidity back to annoy me.

So, no matter what you type next time, because you will, I'm NOT responding.

Peace.

[jayv4fingers]

At this point you're trying to argue against semantics. It was a radiated spider, not a genetically altered spider that bit Spiderman in the original storyline.

Whether or not the genetic makeup of the radiated spider were changed is not at the heart of the argument above, because as the story was originally written, genetics was not involved.

Please use some brainpower instead of hostility to prove your points. Some of them are valid, but calling people names loses you any credibility.

[orinanime]

Seriously, go look find the other posts this guy threw at me before.

They're full of insults, and foul language.

I'm only being hostile because this guy has bugged me for like a month straight, total. I've blocked him already and everything.

Find my other posts on here, with people like you, johnmoonlord, ninja14, and several, degree7 (a friend of bartmans) and we're perfectly nice to one another.

It's just this guy.

I really don't like him. So I'm mean to him.

[bartman30012]

yeah but guess what months ago new discussion don't bring the past in to save your ass and use it for an excuse.And a month? i forgot about you for two then you misdirected your post and got pissed at me when i was trying to be chilled out i even asked nicely for you to relax but you kept insulting me to the point where i decided to leave but you contiue to reply!.

[jayv4fingers]

Look, I know in order to choose one movie over another and defend it vehemently requires one to completely trash the other -- but you *do* have to give credit to the Ang Lee version bringing a completely different spin on the character not seen in movies. Sure, he monkeyed about half the mythos (Hulk didn't come in small and large sized) but Ang Lee is always about characters and what drives them to do what they do.

[orinanime]

"Ang Lee is always about characters and what drives them to do what they do"

*and he got all that wrong too.

[DeeperRootsProject]

Marvellous short lines about his tranformation there. Fascinating stuff.

[spidercreature]

Jennifer Connelly has an extremely soulful and intelligent screen presence that Liv Tyler lacks, despite all her beauty. Both actresses did a decent job in the Hulk films, but I prefer Connelly.

[BruteCommando]

You can't help to just start staring at Jennifer.

[privateislandus]

Thanks!!!!