I don't know why Muslims can't engage a debate on Islam's tendencies for violence without making comparisons to Christianity.
And on the topic of the Meccan persecution of Muhammad and the early Muslims, you do understand that Muhammad was conducting raids on their merchant trades routes which would yield a military response from any society, right? Muhammad routinely used rouses and dishonored treaties to further his imperial enterprise.
I am referring to history, not religious doctrine here
@MattyJames25 WRONG!. We bring up christianity to expose the double standard and hypocrisy you have.
And Muhammad and the Muslim were attacked and persecuted before any raid took place. And if you really had read history you would have not left out the part that said the raids were to get back the property the Meccans had taken from the muslims after they ran the muslims out of mecca. And you lie when you claim he dishonored treaties.
Your not referring to history, but to anti-muslim BS!
Please read the works of the great Arab historian Al-Waqidi: Muhammad's first real successful raid occurred in January of 624 outside of Nakhla which is what caused the Meccans to fight him.
Ibn Ishaq tells us how Muhammad beheaded the Quraiza Jews & sold them to slavery.
Now "compare" this to the life and teachings of Jesus and you'll have the full understanding of hypocrisy. And BTW, your Luke 19:27 example does not quote Jesus but the merchant in the story. Nice try.
@MattyJames25 LOL great Arab Historian Al Waqidi? NOT! According to Ibn Sad, the opposition in Mecca started when Muhammad delivered verses that condemned idol worship and the Meccan forefathers who engaged in polytheism. Fazlur Rahman writes Following the emigration, the Meccans seized the properties of the Muslim emigrants in Mecca. It was after this that raids were done because Meccans had the muslims properties . SO STOP YOUR DAMN LIES!!
@MattyJames25 You forget to mention that ibn Ishaq and others tell how the Quraiza betrayed the Muslims and how the punishment given to Quraiza was actually from the Jews own Torah (Deut 20:10-14) Where the Jews are told kill the men,and take the women and children as slaves when ever they defeated and enemy.But being the dishonest bigot you are you LEAVE THAT PART OUT!.
And Wrong luke 19:27 does quote Jesus as he begins to speak in the 1st person. Nice try but you fail. HYPOCRITE!
I urge you and everyone here reading this to research the historical circumstances of the Treaty of Hudaybiyah. When criticized for signing a deal with Israel in 2002, Yasser Arafat addressed the Palestinian Legislative Council saying "remember the treaty of Hudaybiyah".
For those who know Islamic history, this is a euphemism for giving false promises until strength can be accrued to renege and resume warfare.
@MattyJames25 OH what anti muslim propaganda BULL SHIT!! The treaty of Hudaybiyah was not given on false promises so what the hell are you talking about? Damn, all your facts are just lies and misinformation. The Quran even tells us the Pagans broke the treaty and attacked the muslims 1st in Quran 9:13 . The Quran ordered the muslims to be true to the treaties so cut the BS!
You sorry ass bigots have to make up these fantastic claims in order to justify your bigotry. But you're exposed LIAR!
@MattyJames25 Yes I urge everyone reading this to do REAL RESEARCH .Not going to hate sites and Christian evangelist sites that lie and twist, and mis-inform because they have a clear anti Muslim, anti islamic agenda. mattyjames is a damn liar as you see I have refuted him in several post already. Everything he says is twisted to make islam look bad yet the sources he sites even say the Meccans had persecuted the Muslim. Yet he ignores that very fact just to satisfy his bigotry against islam.
LOOOOOOOOL why did you filther my post cant handle the truth? Im not surprised all muslims can do against truth is try to shut the people speaking it up ,your pathetic
@stevenpaddybwoy LOL,what TRUTH? You idiots always talk about your so called truth , yet I never see any truth in a damn thing you idiot bigots have to say.
@MrIslamAnswersback Ill bitch slap you again you tard just so you know your beaten !!! You said
"Was a muhammad a pedophile ?NOPE, he sure wasnt, He had many wives and they were all older women with the exception of 1 showing he had no pattern of pedophilia. YOU FAIL!!!"
On that logic if i kill someone and dont kill again does that make me not a murderer????? POW EAT THAT SPASTIC MUSLIM !!!
@stevenpaddybwoy You wont do a damn thing punk!!! And your argument is total BS! That younger wife he had was already past Puberty , YOU FAIL!!! POW SMASH CRASH!!!! Now get the hell on ,dumb ass bigot!!!
JazackAllah for the excellent video! Robert Spencer is merely a hatemonger preying on the fears of the masses. Another Zionist mouthpiece creating hate. Keep making the great videos!
Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book [Jews and Christians], until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
@riffgrinder Easy, this verse was about a battle known as TABUK in which Roman Christians were preparing to attack the Muslims from the North of arabia. So this was revealed on how to deal with them. Look it up, "Battle of tabuk".
And if you weren't afraid to post actual feedback here you wouldn't need to screen the responses. But then again, Islam isnt exactly big on free speech is it?
@riffgrinder Wrong , It has nothing to do with being afraid. You bigots dont much any way. It has to do with the fact that so many idiots leave offensive comments like calling me a nigger or muslim nigger, that I have to screen the post. I refuse to let any devils get off insults at my expense.
You Muslims sure get defensive when people point out discrepancies in your Quran versus the image you want the world to see. Did Mohamed kill a whole lotta people? Yep, beheaded many of them himself. Does the Quran state that it is ok to lie to infidels if it benefits Islam? Yep, sure does. Do the newer verses in the Quran that speak of subjugation and killing non-believers override the older peaceful verses that you quoted? yep, sure do. Is Mohamed a pedophile? Yep, he sure is.
@riffgrinder SEE, everything you just posted is BS! There are no discrepancies in the Quran. Muhammad did not kill a whole lot of people. He did not behead many himself. The Quran does not state its ok to lie to infidels if it benefits islam. NO newer verses override older peaceful verses. NOPE they sure dont. Was a muhammad a pedophile ?NOPE, he sure wasnt, He had many wives and they were all older women with the exception of 1 showing he had no pattern of pedophilia. YOU FAIL!!!
@qwer1234555sd Oh please ,stop with the paranoia, nazi style propaganda BS! I dont want the over throw of the constitution, In fact I want you peckerwoods to start following the constitution and stop going against it with stupid bigot and excuses .
Typical muslims, if anybody dares speak out about your evil religion you straight away call them bigots and racists. Islams days are numbered. Typically muslims recruit insecure gullible un-educated, young people to their cult but even 3rd world countries have access to the internet now and they cant keep hiding the truth for ever. I like the way you lable your video Robert Spencer Refuted. Ha ha what a joke you havent refuted shit. Not one of your arguments hold water.
@yamum1976 actually thats false. Most muslims are well educated people. Infact muslim earn more degrees than the non muslim populations they live amongst. Its uneducated poor people who accept Christianity, just because a missionary gives them candy , or 1 plate of rice, now thats gullible. You joke ass hero was clearly refuted, your stupid ass bigotry just has you in a state of denial. Jokes on you dumb ass!
I like your style mate, you are absolutely right about the history of Christianity and compulsion.
However, when you try to claim that Mohammed did not make his name in war, you are denying that the Hadiths themselves describe that Mohammed himself beheaded captives and ordered the assassination of political opponents. As far as saying that Mohammed was "persecuted" by the Pagan Arabs, the only record we have of this is from the early Muslim Arabs. History is afterall written by the winners
@TonyLoco23 But all the info is from early Muslim arabs and some of it is questionable and doubtful so why refer to any it when you want to claim against Muhammad, but doubt it when it says Muhammad was persecuted??????
@MrIslamAnswersback A historian should never dismiss any source outright, but rather examine all sources under the prejudices from which they came. For example, when studying law and order in the South during the segregation era, one would scrutinize the account of a white sherriff, in all likelyhood the crimes perpetrated by whites against blacks may be under-exaggerated, whilst the crimes of blacks against whites might be heavily over-exaggerated. The same should be done with Arab history.
@TonyLoco23 Wrong , no hadith states that muhammad beheaded anyone. And he never had any political opponents assassinated. He was'nt running for political office, He claim was to be a prophet not a ruler.
Here are some examples from the Hadiths where Mohammed slaughters people:
"I was among the captives of Banu Qurayza. They (the Companions) examined us, and those who had begun to grow hair (pubes) were killed, and those who had not were not killed. I was among those who had not grown hair." Abu Dawud 38:4390
"It is not fitting for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he has made a great slaughter in the land." Koran 8:67
@TonyLoco23 where does it say Muhammad himself had killed in that hadith? And Quran 8:67 was referring to the battle of Badr against the pagan Arabs who had been persecuting and Attacking the muslims 1st. You lose again.
"No woman of Banu Qurayza was killed except one. She was with me, talking and laughing on her back and belly while the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) was killing her people with the swords. Suddenly a man called her name: Where is so-and-so?...The man took her and beheaded her. She said: I will not forget that she was laughing extremely although she knew that she would be killed.
@TonyLoco23 No reference given and the Banu Qurayza and Muslim had been in battle it wasnt as if they were innocent by standers . it was a battle. You lose again. Why must you bigots ignore context and twist and misconstrue things??The Banu Qurayza were fighting and Killing Muslims as well. You bigots really need to stop, it only proves what I have been saying, that your a bunch of hate filled bigots that must lie and deceive inorder to support your bigotry against islam. Such sorry low lives!
You are a liar. Robert Spencer (MA, Religious Studies, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill) has been studying Islamic theology, law, and history in depth since 1980. You muslims are so intent on refuting obvious truths about your cult ohh sorry I meant religion but why dont you turn your effort to the thousands of terrorists committing atrocities everyday about your so called religion of peace.
@yamum1976 WRONG, you're the LIAR! He has just read somethings about islam and but has not professionally studied Islam. so stop! His MA in religious studies was not an indepth study of Islam so get off that BS!
@MrIslamAnswersback I see you are more interested in trying to take away Robert Spencers credentials but completely failed to address the hundreds of murders committed everyday in the name of your fucked up religion.I have read the quran and you cannot deny the 100's of hate quotes that are in there. Mohammed was a mass murderer, political assassin,liar,pedophile,slave owner,and the list goes on.This is fact not fiction, fact. 800 people from the Banu Qurayza tribe beheaded on his orders.
@yamum1976 Wrong, yes I did indeed address his claims about islam, You must not have watched the whole video. Watch both videos in full and see that I did indeed refute his BS lies. And you're a liar you have not read the Quran. There are no hundred of hate quotes. Sorry ass lying bigots!!
@MrIslamAnswersback well I can assure you I have read the quran (not cover to cover obviously) and I have served along side muslims in east timor and Iraq. I do know there are peaceful muslims I actually have a friend who is muslim.It is not muslims I hate it is Islam.There are hundreds of hate quotes in the quran google it for heavens sake and if these quotes are taken out of context then how about explaining that to the terrorists who obviously see these quotes the same as I do.
i have read the koran and bukharis hadith ibn ishaq's biography.
spencers quotes are accurate.
i urge all muslims to oust the hate preachers amongst you. if you do, islam can come out of the present violent phase & take its place ALONGSIDE all the other tolerant peaceful faiths of the world. if you collectively fail to do so, i think it is inevitable that it will implode.
when ordinary muslims access web info and compare it with koran, they CANNOT remain in denial anymore.
@catveezle Wrong. Ibn Ishaq work is very doubful, and has been said so by many scholars of the past and present, yet you people seem to love to use his works .
I AM NOT LEARNED IN THESE MATTERS, BUT I HAVE read in a number of places that ishaqs is the first and best warts- and-all un-airbrushed account of his life.
strange to see muslims dissing it!
i think the concept of Taqiyya is poisoning any trust non-muslims might have in muslims being honest about their claim.
also, mohammed said about oaths "if i find something better, i do it and expiate my oath" a muslims word cant be trusted.
@catveezle Sorry but there is no concept of taqqiyah. And what you claim is bogus. Scholars of islam say very clearly that Ishaq work is not the best and has very doubtful accounts in it. Some of the past scholars actually said Ishaq was a liar. So I think you better do some more reading. And the lie of Taqqiyah made up by anti Muslim Bigots attempts to poison non muslims from trusting any thing a muslim says by claiming its taqqiyah. Similar to how Nazis said Jews could lie to goyim.
@thunderheart226 WRONG still . The Arabs had white slaves as well. many people seem to never mention this fact. Moors did not do to the spanish what the spanish did to the natives. Thats why spain is still spanish today. But Where are the natives? They mostly speak the language of the invader spanish and are marginalized still in their home nations. Those diseases were spread by the Whites and in some cases on purpose such as Gen. Amhurst who sent small pox infested blankets to indians.
@quinofking Any one who uses nanking as an excuse to then kill a quarter of a million Japanese civilians does not understand the realities of genocide and is in no position to tell me a damn thing. So 2 wrongs make it right in your book huh?
@dilawer321 Allah says no where that these verses were abrogated. Muhammad never said these verses were abrogated either. No one can claim verses are abrogated except Allah -says Quran 6:115 "The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfilment in truth and in justice: None can change His words". The scholars differ on abrogated verses because there is no authentic narration from Muhammad that ever says a verse was abrogated. Yet you speak as if its a certainty ?? Its not.
@MrIslamAnswersback i never claimed the quran is abrogated or not, take a chill pilll man why you so defensive, i only asked do you believe the quran is abrogated or not, as probably 99% of muslim scholars say the quran is abrogated, do you agree with them or not thats what im asking......
@dilawer321 99% of them dont agree on what abrogated because again there is no statement from Allah or Muhammad that any verse was abrogated, that what believe. I take the word of Allah and his prophet over the varying opinions out there. And in this case They never mention any direct abrogation of a any verse of the Quran. So the verses I mention here are NOT abrogated.
@MrIslamAnswersback So you believe the quran is abrogated yet your saying noone knows wich verses were abrogated or wich verses were not abrogated, so basicaly it is upto the individual how they follow islam and what they go by, do you not agree that mayb this is what couses so much confusion amongst muslims, with all their sects etc, how exactly do you personaly follow the quran then if you dont know wich verses to folow and wich verses not to follow if noone knows what is abrogated and not?
@dilawer321 NO THATS NOT WHAT IM SAYING. Im saying some people have claimed verses were abrogated yet there is no proof for such from Allah or the prophet to support that. Theres so much confusion because people follow the opinions of men rather than Obeying Allahs word the QURAN & his prophet. Since there is no proof from Allah or his prophet I dont claim verses are abrogated until I see proof from Allah or his messenger saying so. Thats how I follow the Quran.
Good job Brother. alhamdulillah. Christian always try to spread hate and lies about islam. They need brothers like u on cnn not these christians that have no clue what islam really teaches. may allah bless u 4 speaking the truth!
@Jesamli OH please, what bullshit!!! That is not a sign of anything, other than saying OK alot, nothing more. Notice thats all you could come with. You could not even address my points . Instead you come with a weak ass claim about using OK alot. Really!!!!? GTHOOH with that nonsense!!
@Jesamli What are you talking about?? This was a refutation so NON muslims can see that Robert Spencer is wrong. And of course the Quran counts in this debate. It has to as its the main source of authority in Islam.
Truly Islam is a religion of peace. Bro, perhaps you'd like to see my article dealing with 100s of verses and Hadith misused by a Missionary. Here's the article:
If you claim that Robert is not an Islamic scholar and he has no right to say anything about Islam, then you have to say that all Muslims ARE Islamic scholars and only Islamic scholars can understand the Koran or not all Muslims are Islamic scholars and not all can read and understand it properly. if the latter is the case, then only a select few can read and understand and the masses can be mislead. Statistically, not all Muslims have read the Koran...have you? Front to back?
@theStormaftertheCalm Thats not what Im saying. Im saying he give his own misinformed opinion concerning Islamic issues ,meanwhile Scholars of Islam refute him, so who do we go with?? Some guy who dislikes Islam and has no expertise in it, or people who have expertise in islam who refute his claims. And yes I have read the Quran front to back many times.
@MrIslamAnswersback - What Robert has to say about Islam is also being said by many others, many are former Muslims. Scholars of Islam have every right to defend their faith as any other belief system and as long as their arguments can hold water they shouldn't have any concern. Refutation has to be determined by third parties observing those who are debating. A debater can't decide whether he/she was convincing enough on the debate to win. I haven't seen an "exhaustive" Islamic debate yet.
@MrIslamAnswersback - Robert doesn't need to study Islam to know Islam. I don't myself. I go by the videos I watch, what Islam is saying through his followers and what they are doing to those who refuse to convert. I watched a video of an Imam saying that Islam will dominate the world and the goal was to have the US a nation of Islam by 2022, minimum. Another states that Islam will become the one world government and religion through the higher levels of government, academia and business.
@theStormaftertheCalm Going by videos and random statements by people is not a true representation of Islam. Many Imams like many Christian leaders often say things based on hype and emotion. But if you check the true sources of islam you find they were incorrect. Exploiting these prideful statements by a random Imam here or there is just misleading.
I understand that Moses was under direct instruction from God, actually speaking with Him daily. Once again, what Biblical prophets did was never to force conversion. Any wars against nations was based upon those nations either sacrificing their children to their Gods or coming out to attack the Jews. Many times God told the Israelites, "You will not do what the other nations do." You won't find in there, "Kill them if they refuse to worship me."
@theStormaftertheCalm There is no such command in the Quran either. But its interesting how you use the excuse for the killing in the bible by saying God gave Moses instructions , so that makes it ok?? And Actually in Luke 19:27 it does say "those who refuse the rule of jesus over them should be brought before him and killed."
@MrIslamAnswersback - Those who were killed were murderers, as archaeology demonstrates. Now, if you don't believe in justice upon murderers just say so and I will acknowledge that. Luke 19:12 demonstrates that the man left to receive his kingdom. Jesus did so when He was caught up. Verse 15, the man returns, which Jesus hasn't returned yet. Verse 27, the man gives instructions to bring them before him. Jesus will do so in the last Great Battle of Armageddon. A parable of the future, our future
@theStormaftertheCalm LOL what archaeology shows that those killed were murderers? Seems like another far out excuse to justify violence in the bible. And you still ignore the clear point of Luke 19:27 whether its the future or not, its still says kill those who refuse the rule of Jesus. So a parable to future killing of those who refuse the rule of the king Jesus. Does that make it any better?!
On Helen Ellerbe, I borrow heavily from the atheists in regard to earlier Christians when they say, "They were uneducated and illiterate!" And they were. Very few people could actually read the Bible and the rest just followed what they were told, which was not always the truth. Documentation indicates nothing biblical to the call of bloodshed but pure political purposes. Today; however, we live in the "Information Age," where education is HUGE and such behavior is unacceptable.
Luke 19:27 - Jesus was using a parable that clearly refers to His second return. In the parable, the noble man goes to a far country to acquire a kingdom for himself. Jesus did this when he ascended into heaven. In the parable, the man returns to discover the results of the money with interest. Jesus will reap the harvest from the earth of those who have followed him. In the parable, the citizens will not follow him. Jesus and his army will slay those who reject him at the battle of Armageddon.
@theStormaftertheCalm SO, it still calls for the killing of those who refuse the rule of jesus either way. You make it sound like, because it will be killing after his 2nd coming ,that some how makes it not as bad. Its still the murder of those who refuse his rule.
@MrIslamAnswersback - But you're missing my point. My point is this - Those who refuse to follow Jesus will, in the end, die by "His" hand along with those who make up His spiritual army. Any slaying or bloodshed isn't to be from my hand against those who reject Jesus. Flesh against flesh is not allowed when it comes to beliefs. What Jesus decides to do against those who reject Him in the end is His decision. He isn't going to ask me what I think He should or shouldn't do. The burden isn't mine.
@theStormaftertheCalm WRONG!!!!! The verse clearly says , YOU BRING THEM HERE AND KILL THEM IN FRONT OF ME. You others will clearly do the killing in front of Jesus to see. Stop making excuses and just face what your own book says.
Actually, there is a difference between what Robert is saying versus your comparison to the Bible. Robert is saying that Muslims follow the teachings that all must convert to Islam or die. What you're reading in Deut, actually is an issue with the nations sacrificing their children to their Gods. As he tells the Hebrews many times, "They have done evil in my sight." It's an apples to oranges comparison.
@theStormaftertheCalm NO, 1st he is wrong about what Islam says. But again, how are you making it ok to kill non jews because " They have done evil in my sight" . Thats a big double standard. Its not apples and oranges, its a "your in denial "fact.
@MrIslamAnswersback - Even if Robert can't read the Koran, we can see with our own eyes what Islam is doing. We don't need to master the Koran but only to watch what its followers are doing. It has nothing to do with Jews and non-Jews but everything to do with laws and violation of those laws. A double standard would be the Israelites violating the same laws they are administering justice against others for doing. LOL! There were Jews who violated the laws and they were killed for it as well.
@theStormaftertheCalm If thats the case we can see what jews are doing, we can see what Christians are doing also. If we judge by the actions then every religion and every people are guilty of evil doing then. Ok so forget what the bible says. I judge Christians and jews to be killers, oppressors, racist, and corrupt since thats what I see them to have been doing for centuries and currently. So have you watched what your own people are doing? Seems you haven't.
So 60:8-9 Basically states that if Muslims dominate the land and no one of that land states anything negative about it, as Muslims implement Shariah, then be nice to them, hence they accept Islam; however, if anyone puts up their hands and says, "No Shariah wanted here", then you are not to befriend them and if need be must fight against them. Shariah is an essence of Islam so telling a Muslim that they can't have their Shariah is an Islamic violation, hence unavoidable violence.
@theStormaftertheCalm Wrong , It says nothing about dominating or not. Its a general rule regardless of what position Muslims are in . So your just twisting and adding in your own bias. Shariah is for muslims only , A non muslim nations can say they dont want shariah since they are not muslims.So stop you BS lies and misinformation, You ,like Robert is just ignorant of the facts.
@MrIslamAnswersback - It has nothing to do with bias but everything to do with observation and analysis. Case in point, I was watching a video of a Muslim being accused of hating non-Muslims where he was trying to convince the viewer that he didn't hate non-Muslims. Throughout the entire video he kept saying that he didn't hate his fellow Muslims but loved them and would never harm them. I kept waiting and waiting for him to say he loved everyone equally, Muslim or not, but he never did.
@theStormaftertheCalm OH come on, how weak and sorry of an observation and analysis. So because he didnt say what you wanted to hear and how you wanted to hear it , you pass your bias judgement on him?
@fuzz461 WRONG, you have just gotten things crooked. Yes indeed some Americans did have their own slave ships and slave companies and did do raids on the coast of western africa.
@MrIslamAnswersback you are wrong.... Americans sent their navy to stop the slave ships. they even established a place for the rescued slaves. its now called "liberia" T hey could not return the rescued slaves back to their land because they just got recycled back into slavery. try to learn your history man... the americans did not seek out the africans and made them slaves. they were having tribal wars and whoever got conquered got killed or sold.
@MrIslamAnswersback they may have owned some slave ship, but americans did not capture the africans. it was their rival african tribes that conquered them and sold them to slavery. and still, a lot of americans fought and freed slaves even before they step foot on american soil.
@fuzz461 WRONG again. Americans made a business of owning , and selling slaves. Yes they did capture africans as well. No americans fought to free slaves, it was part of their business until the late 1800s, so you're wrong. Even the early presidents had slaves so what the hell are you talking about!?
If he's nothing more than a liar then why don't you engage him in a public debate and expose him? I wonder why other Muslim apologists don't step up to the challenge of refuting his lies, either. After all, he has a standing invitation to debate any Muslim or non-Muslim apologist for Islam on his website.
@Zdrazy I would love to Debate him in public. Problem is Robert would rather do lectures instead of face a challenge from a Muslim. And when challenged he makes sure not to take on challengers that are sure you embarrass his lying ass. believe me, I would love to debate him and said so in the video.
@AussieMMA11 Wrong !! The true Muslims are the people who got about their daily lives with out any problems. All you said about Muhammad was BS. He never raided any caravans in an offensive. You lying bigots. The hadith even says the caravan from mecca had the goods that the pagans took from the muslims 1st. So stop your BS lies!!
@MrIslamAnswersback My point is, The Quran and Hadith DOES have some violent passages that justify extremists' actions. There are many peaceful muslims, but until we can admit the bad parts JUST like we did with the Bible, then this extremism WILL continue. There are no marches against extremism in Britain, Middle East, or the US. Where were the Muslims condemning the attacks on the cartoonists? Until we admit that there are condemnable passages, we can never move forward as brothers.
@Rshimy as I showed , the Quran and hadith speak of fighting in self defense and against oppression. Muslim organizations and muslim activist did speak out. Just do a google search for "muslims condemn violence or terrorism" and you will get 100,000s of hits. Its just that anti islamic bigots dont want to look, but muslims have spoken out.
After his eviction by the Meccans, Muhammad and his Muslims found refuge many miles away in Medina where they were not being bothered by their former adversaries. Despite this, Muhammad sent his men on seven unsuccessful raids against Meccan caravans before finally finding one, whereupon they murdered the driver and plundered the contents. This particular caravan was especially vulnerable because the attack came during the holy months, when the merchants were least expecting it.
@Rshimy WRONG again. The meccans still persued the muslims even in medina. Even when the muslims ran to Ethiopia, the meccans even went there after the muslims. Again the hadith and history says the meccans had the muslims property in those caravans so the muslims went to take it back. Yet again and again the anti islamic bigots leave that part out.
Im not a bigot, i simply read the Quran and Hadiths like you. Maybe it could change your view on me if i told you i was born Muslim in Saudi Arabia, and i speak perfect Arabic? Because that is the truth. And as for condemning extremists, there are no widespread efforts to STOP it from the Islamic public. Why does no one stop it when they behead apostates and stone unruly women in the streets? Why do videos come out every week from them taping it with cell phones, and everyone is cheering?
You could'nt have read them like me cause I see no proof of what you claim. And so what if you speak arabic or if your from saudi , Im not impressed. That means nothing. Allah never said being arab makes you an expert on Islam. In fact Allah says the arabs are the worst in hypocrisy and not knowing the limits of Allah in Quran 9:97 & 9:101. So you get no points there. And there are plenty of efforts by Muslim Govs that smash radical groups the US even helps them.
What apostate was beheaded?? What kind of anti muslim propaganda are you following?! And stop,there is no video every week. Again see the over exaggeration, clear proof of bigoted thinking. And again when this does happen its from some small group of people in the middles east. AGAIN, MOST MUSLIMS ARE NOT IN THE MIDDLE EAST, AND MOST MUSLIMS DONT DO THOSE THINGS, STOP YOUR IGNORANCE AND BIGOTRY!
Im not lying, you just never looked at BOTH sides of Islam, and i have LIVED through both sides. So who is bigoted? Look up Mansuur-Mohammed. See what happened to him, the video is online. Go to the websites THEYNC and DOCUMENTINGREALITY. At the YNC type in apostate and see what you find. They DO release new videos every week, and it is all user submitted. If you understand Arabic such as i do, you would see that they spew hate while reinforcing it with quranic verses.
@Rshimy Again, all your doing is telling me what a FEW IGNORANT ARABS are doing. Arabs are not islam.MOST MUSLIMS ARE NOT ARABS. ARABS ARE NOT THE MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS. MOST MUSLIMS DO NOT DO THE THINGS THESE IGNORANT ARABS you speak of do. So you dont know islam, you know the side of what some ignorant arabs do based on some culture that has nothing to do with Islam.
@MrIslamAnswersback My question would have to be this... Let's assume that YOU interpret the quran correctly and the fanatics have it wrong... why then did an omniscient god write a book that could be so easily misinterpreted and would become the greatest source of violence and hatred the world has ever seen?
@kusalaviro 1st the Quran is not the greatest source of violence and hatred the world has ever known. Your extreme exaggeration shows your bias. The Quran didnt inspire Europeans to colonise and kill Natives Ametricans, The Quran didnt inspire The racism of Aparthied and Jim Crow . The Quran didnt inspire the Atomic bombing of japan. The Quran didnt inspire WW1 and WW2. The Quran didnt inspire the Crusades or Inquisition. So your claims is Bullshit. Any book can be misinterpreted .
@MrIslamAnswersback It is estimated that 280 million people have been killed during the spread of islam in its 1,400 year history. That is most certainly the worlds worst genocide!
@kusalaviro Who made such an estimation? It was estimated that more than 400 million were killed by the spread of Christianity in its 2000 year history when they had the inquisition, their pograms and when they killed and conquered in North America, South America, Africa , Asia and the orient. No, this clearly the worlds worst genocide! Learn history before you make such bogus claims.
@MrIslamAnswersback oh plz the quran didnt stop muslims from enslaving blacks for hundreds of years and yes the moors inspired spain to conquer natives.what about darfur?are white people responsible for that?so its wrong if we used the A bomb on japan but what about the rape of nanking when jap soldiers massacred the chinese.what about theo van gogh what about the millions of hindus who died during muslim rule.what about greek and armenian genocides.oppression of coptic christian in egypt?
@thunderheart226 Oh plz Arabs and others were enslaving blacks before the Quran was every revealed. And no, the Spanish were inspired by the Bible when they conquered the natives. They came bearing the Cross not islam. And you used the A bomb on Japanese civilians. No matter what happened at nanking, how did that justify A bombing civilians? What about Marwa el-Sherbini. What about the Millions killed during European rule. What about Black and Native genocide.Oppression of Blacks in S. Africa?
the dropping of the atomic bomb on Japan was one of the most humane things the US did during the war,Truman had a plan to invade Japan using american and soviet forces, and sure thousands died with just 2 bombs but millions would have died on both sides from "plan A".so thats how i would justify it and thats not the US being a horrible force, those are the realities of war that we see on the battle field today nuclear weapons kept the cold war from going into an actual war.
@quinofking Humane!! Killing a quarter of a million civilians was humane?? What the hell!? Wow its funny how people claim to be civilized yet you speak of the killing of these civilians like its no big deal. And these bullshit hypothetical claims that if they didnt drop it so many more would have died is just that bullshit! They had no way of knowing how many would have died really. But you people always have an excuse for you evil actions. No wonder some say your nothing but devils.
"Destroy all of the land; beat down their pillars and break their statues and waste all of their high places, cleansing the land and dwelling in it, for I have given it to you for a possession" Numbers 33:52,53
"And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city both men and women, infants and old and ox and sheep and ass with the edge of the sword." Joshua 6:21
Robert Spencer is a racist moron,full of hate, trickery and deceit. He would misquote anything, cut words out of a verse or a passage and plays with words just to support his evil line of thought. What people need to understand is that Robert Spencer is an extremist who commits murder and crimes against humanity in his own heart and mind.He is a warmonger and supports violence and oppression of Muslim and non-white people wherever they may be found. Being a Zionist he does all this for Israel.
You may claim that these are not Qur'anic quotations, so allow me to obviate this response.
If you read the Tafseer of Ibn Kathir, you'll realise that these actions were carried out by Muslims who used verses like 9:5 and 9:29 as justification. That is the point that Spencer makes.
This continues even today, with the subjugation of non-Muslims in Islamic countries.
Also, is there a verse in the Qur'an that abrogates 9:5 or 9:29, or states that these verses were applicable only once?
Spencers point is still weak, as Bible verses have been used and are used to do wrong as well. Its not just Muslims who twist scripture to suit them, so why try to make it seem likes this is only the case with muslims? And this subjugation stuff is nonsense. Most non muslims live well in most muslim nations. You guys take a isolated incident in saudi or Iran and make it like thats 90% of the muslim nations when its not.. And the context of 9:5 and 9:29 show they were applicable back then.
have you even read those verses in context? read surah 9:1-13 not just 9:5 alone. In context you see that ending at 9:13 it says " You will not fight a people WHO BROKE THEIR OATH, aimed at the expulsion of the messenger and THEY ATTACKED YOU 1st". Its clear. And 9:29 was about the battle of tabuk in which the Romans( christians at the time) were preparing to attack the Muslims from the North ( syria). So the context and event of revelation makes things clear about their application 4 back then.
"Fight them, and God will chastise them, He will have them killed, at your hands and degrade them, humiliate them through capture and subjugation, and He will give you victory against them" --Jalalayn, 9:14
It's important to note that the Qur'an makes no limitation on 9:5 or 9:29. Is it not correct that unless the Ayat are abrogated, then they are binding from the point at which they are revealed until the end of the world?
@Zdrazy WRONG!!!! 9:5 is limited by the context starting at verses 9:1-13. Verses 1-4 speak of how the Pagans violated the treaty and then verse 5-13 speaks of fight the pagans and in 13 says the reason is because;
"will you not fight a people who broke their oaths and aimed at the expulsion of the Messenger, and they attacked you first"
SEE THEY ATTACKED YOU 1st. So its its clearly limited to the Meccans that broke the treaty and attacked the Muslims 1st.
@Zdrazy9:29 was concerning the battle of tabuk in which the Christian Romans were preparing to attack the muslims 1st- Ibn Kathir. Funny how have 9:14 right there but ignored 9:13 -" will you not fight a people who broke their oaths and aimed at the expulsion of the Messenger, and they attacked you first; " Which says the pagans attacked the muslims 1st. This shows your clear dishonesty . But thats typical of anti Islamic bigots. So move on liar!
In addition, since At-Tauba was one of the last, and if not, the last Surah revealed, does it not then take precedence over others?
It's interesting that you say 9:29 was revealed only to fight against the Byzantine Christians yet this same ayah also mentions the Jews and, indeed, 'those who believe not in Allah.'
The Qur'an gives a very broad definition of those who're to be fought, so why should a Tafseer be trusted if it says that this only meant one group of people at only one time?
Your missing the problem. The problem is that MANY MUSLIMS interperet the Quran the way Robert Spencer does. Osama Bin Laden recites these verses all the time to justify his actions, he does it on every video he releases. That means his followers do to. Moderate muslims need to stand up against this ignorant bigotry. When was the last time you saw a muslim march condemning "radical" Islam in Iraq?Pakistan?Saudi Arabia? It doesnt happen.
@Rshimy wrong!! Actually, most muslims dont interpret the Quran the way Robert Spencer does.That why mosts muslims are not out fighting . They go to work everyday and just try to live with their families. Muslims have been standing up. They dont march because actions speak louder than protest. Instead the governments of those places go after and put down Radicals. Marching is just talk. Like the US protest against the Iraq war, nothing changed, they talked but the war still goes on.
But there are enough muslims who DO interpret it like that, to where it is a HUGE problem. The goverment doesnt do a thing. Hell, President Hamid Karzhai tried to make it legal to rape your wife every 3 days in afghanistan. They dont take action, or else you wouldnt see new videos every day of people getting beheaded and stoned to death in the streets.If they took action, they would never allow it to happen, and they would be stopped. But no, look at a website the TheYNC or documentingreality
@Rshimy wrong again, most muslims DONT interpret it like that. The Saudi Government, Egyptian gov etc crack down hard on radicals. You forget that Karzhai was put in power by the BUSH administration. The videos you see are of a few people in the Middle east. While most muslims are not in the middle east. Most muslims around the world are not doing those things. Your view is limited by News clips of the middle east. Muslims are not only arabs you know?
I didnt say most muslims, your hearing what you want to hear. Why do Saudi Schools teach the children the punishment for Apostacy is death? Most suicide bombers are Saudis. And damnit, im not talking about westernized muslims. I'm talking about the Taliban, Al Queda, Various sects in Sharia Law. This is too large a number to ALL be misinterpreting. The truth is, the Quran is subjective: If you want the violent side, it supports you. If you want the peace, it also supports.
@Rshimy wrong yet again. Most suicide Bombers are shia palestinians. How do you know what Saudis teach in school and saudi is not 10% of the muslim populations. The taliban, Al CIAeda are not even 1% of the muslim population, so its not too large a number. Your paranoid. The truth is any book including the bible can be subjective and used to support a side.
@Rshimy Why would i watch another Robert Spencer video again?? I have refuted him several times already. I dont take him as a source of proof or truth. So your wasting your time asking me to watch or listen to him as your proof. He is a sorry ass lying bigot!
@Rshimy Oh please thats a BS video, by a hate filled bigot, you call that proof? Come on.Like I said you idiots show some clips pictures of a fews muslims and all of a sudden all muslims are those few in the pictures??! Only stupid ass bigots generalize like that. Try again, you fail!!!
Abrogation in the scene you are using is a 4th century apocryphal MYTH that was debunked by Muslim scholars of the same century, but every single critic loves to use the abrogation myth , for example they like to claim that 9:29 abrogated all the peaceful verses , now thats just a load of desperate bigot crap .
"Muslims are not allowed to honor the people of Dhimmah or elevate them above Muslims, for they are miserable, disgraced and humiliated."
"Umar bin Al-Khattab, may Allah be pleased with him, demanded his well-known conditions be met by the Christians, these conditions that ensured their continued humiliation, degradation and disgrace."
It appears that Islamic scripture has, indeed, been used to justify tyranny and continues to be used today.
Muhammad himself said otherwise in a message to the Monks of St. Catherine in Mount Sinai he said " I hold out against anything that displeases them( dhimmies).No compulsion is to be on them. No one should destroy a house of their religion or damage it, should 1 do so,they would spoil Gods covenant and disobey his prophet. Verily, They (dhimmies) are my allies and have my secure charter against all that they hate, NO ONE of the nation is to disobey this covenant till the day of judgement"
Issue with Umar has also shown to be suspect as these conditions were said to be written by the Christians themselves and given to Umar. Yet other versions show Umar did as Muhammad said in what I quoted ,and gave fair and just treatment to them. The Book "Christianity under Islam in Jerusalem"By Oded Peri says research shows convincingly that the covenant of Umar could not have possibly come from Him. Sir Thomas W. Arnold also says similar. Many kinds of books have been used to justify wrong.
"These Ayat allowed fighting people unless, and until, they embrace Islam and implement its rulings and obligations."
Abbas commented: "No idolator had any more treaty or promise of safety ever since Surah Bara'ah (at-Tauba) was revealed."
Messenger of Allah said, (I would have cut off your head, if it was not that emissaries are not killed.) That man, Ibn An-Nawwahah, was later beheaded...
The Qurans own tafsir of its self says Those ayats were all in self defense or fighting against injustice and oppression. Quran 60:8 made it clear, "Allah commands be kind and just to those who are not attacking you because of your belief, nor drive you from your land and homes, be kind and just to them, Allah loves the doers of Justice". The Quran is our to authority. Thus your alleged quotes are all suspect.
I have me credentials in Comparative religious studies. Spencers degree is not in islam but in religion in general.
What do you think about Abraham, being a slave owner, or David and Solomon being slave owners? Or the Bible condoning Slavery. You going to be a hypocrite and ignore those?
What about arab traders? Europeans and even other Africans sold African people. Arabs also sold Europeans and even other Arabs, they didnt just sell Africans,so whats your point?!
Are you saying your degree entitles you to make accusation against other religion but Spensor's degree does not? :)
He accuses islam, you - christianity; what's the difference between you two?
I did not ask you about Abraham, Solomon or any other jewish people whom you consider Allah's prophets for some strange reason... Besides, I don't believe in torah nor the bible.
I asked your opinion about a man who was a slave owner, whom you worship and adore.
My point is his degree was not directly in Islam, so thus his info is wrong. Thats why I used Islamic scholars to show they refute his claims. And I dont worship or adore any man. So your info is wrong as well.
Says who, you say you dont believe in Torah etc, then what criterion are you using to judge whether or not a messenger of God could have slaves or not? Your own opinion?! Everything you said is false. He was not a rapist, thief or any of the other BS claims you got from your lying hate site. Seems your claims are all based on lies and misinformation.
The lovers of sinful deeds and worldly pleasures will always fight against the truth. And they will stop at nothing to belittle the image of the believers. x /
You have done it well. Spencer needs to quote from Quran or from authentic hadith (Bukhari) not any books, written by average person. Spencer is an ignorant and arrogant person, these type people are the most loser both this life and the life heareafter. I would recommend spenser to watch some debate between islam and christianity to increase his knowlege. I recommend him to watch dr. zakir nayak vs any christian scholar or Ahammed deedat vs any christian scholar.
Unlike Muslim debators who use the original books to argue their point, this spencer shayatn uses books created by people who just want to spread the wrong meaning of Islam. Why can't he use authentic hadith and Qura'nic versus to argue his point? that's because he knows he has no real groud to stand on. He's like a dog let off it's leash and left to run amok. x /
Bad video. Stop quoting the peaceful verses, they were all abrogated and replaced with verse of the sword. You cannot deny this, it is said by muslim scholars everywhere!!! The 'peaceful' verses are not valid, surah 9:5 IS valid and how do you explain that away???
WRONG, Surah 9:5 doesnt abrogate anything. Surah 9:5 is in a context starting from verse 1-13, keep reading past verse 5 to verse 13 and see it says the pagans attacked the muslims 1st and broke the agreement. Thats what 9:5 is about. The other verses are still valid because Allah nor the Prophet ever said they were abrogated. Scholars opinions are just that opinions unless they can show that Allah said so or Muhammad said so.
I have to commend the articulation and the intelligence of the speaker in this movie. Impressive to say the least, I love the method, the passion and the will.
I am not sure that a degree from a Western university would be reputable either. At the university I attended, one student in the Islamic Studies department was a radical socialist atheist who clearly had no other priority than criticizing Islam. New this person has a degree and is considered "credible" about centuries of Islamic scholarship? Unbelievable!
I don't know why Muslims can't engage a debate on Islam's tendencies for violence without making comparisons to Christianity.
And on the topic of the Meccan persecution of Muhammad and the early Muslims, you do understand that Muhammad was conducting raids on their merchant trades routes which would yield a military response from any society, right? Muhammad routinely used rouses and dishonored treaties to further his imperial enterprise.
I am referring to history, not religious doctrine here
MattyJames25 10 months ago
@MattyJames25 WRONG!. We bring up christianity to expose the double standard and hypocrisy you have.
And Muhammad and the Muslim were attacked and persecuted before any raid took place. And if you really had read history you would have not left out the part that said the raids were to get back the property the Meccans had taken from the muslims after they ran the muslims out of mecca. And you lie when you claim he dishonored treaties.
Your not referring to history, but to anti-muslim BS!
MrIslamAnswersback 10 months ago
@MrIslamAnswersback
Please read the works of the great Arab historian Al-Waqidi: Muhammad's first real successful raid occurred in January of 624 outside of Nakhla which is what caused the Meccans to fight him.
Ibn Ishaq tells us how Muhammad beheaded the Quraiza Jews & sold them to slavery.
Now "compare" this to the life and teachings of Jesus and you'll have the full understanding of hypocrisy. And BTW, your Luke 19:27 example does not quote Jesus but the merchant in the story. Nice try.
MattyJames25 10 months ago
@MattyJames25 LOL great Arab Historian Al Waqidi? NOT! According to Ibn Sad, the opposition in Mecca started when Muhammad delivered verses that condemned idol worship and the Meccan forefathers who engaged in polytheism. Fazlur Rahman writes Following the emigration, the Meccans seized the properties of the Muslim emigrants in Mecca. It was after this that raids were done because Meccans had the muslims properties . SO STOP YOUR DAMN LIES!!
MrIslamAnswersback 10 months ago
@MattyJames25 You forget to mention that ibn Ishaq and others tell how the Quraiza betrayed the Muslims and how the punishment given to Quraiza was actually from the Jews own Torah (Deut 20:10-14) Where the Jews are told kill the men,and take the women and children as slaves when ever they defeated and enemy.But being the dishonest bigot you are you LEAVE THAT PART OUT!.
And Wrong luke 19:27 does quote Jesus as he begins to speak in the 1st person. Nice try but you fail. HYPOCRITE!
MrIslamAnswersback 10 months ago
@MrIslamAnswersback "And you lie when you claim he dishonored treaties."
I urge you and everyone here reading this to research the historical circumstances of the Treaty of Hudaybiyah. When criticized for signing a deal with Israel in 2002, Yasser Arafat addressed the Palestinian Legislative Council saying "remember the treaty of Hudaybiyah".
For those who know Islamic history, this is a euphemism for giving false promises until strength can be accrued to renege and resume warfare.
MattyJames25 10 months ago
@MattyJames25 OH what anti muslim propaganda BULL SHIT!! The treaty of Hudaybiyah was not given on false promises so what the hell are you talking about? Damn, all your facts are just lies and misinformation. The Quran even tells us the Pagans broke the treaty and attacked the muslims 1st in Quran 9:13 . The Quran ordered the muslims to be true to the treaties so cut the BS!
You sorry ass bigots have to make up these fantastic claims in order to justify your bigotry. But you're exposed LIAR!
MrIslamAnswersback 10 months ago
@MattyJames25 Yes I urge everyone reading this to do REAL RESEARCH .Not going to hate sites and Christian evangelist sites that lie and twist, and mis-inform because they have a clear anti Muslim, anti islamic agenda. mattyjames is a damn liar as you see I have refuted him in several post already. Everything he says is twisted to make islam look bad yet the sources he sites even say the Meccans had persecuted the Muslim. Yet he ignores that very fact just to satisfy his bigotry against islam.
MrIslamAnswersback 10 months ago
LOOOOOOOOL why did you filther my post cant handle the truth? Im not surprised all muslims can do against truth is try to shut the people speaking it up ,your pathetic
stevenpaddybwoy 11 months ago 3
@stevenpaddybwoy LOL,what TRUTH? You idiots always talk about your so called truth , yet I never see any truth in a damn thing you idiot bigots have to say.
MrIslamAnswersback 11 months ago
@MrIslamAnswersback You absolute retard ! Tell everyone why you removed my first post and the reason you couldnt refute me?
stevenpaddybwoy 11 months ago
@stevenpaddybwoy Cause you posted BULLL SHIT LIES!!!!!!!! Thats why!!!! And I did and can refute any BULLLLLL SHIT LIES you bring!!!
MrIslamAnswersback 10 months ago
@MrIslamAnswersback Ill bitch slap you again you tard just so you know your beaten !!! You said
"Was a muhammad a pedophile ?NOPE, he sure wasnt, He had many wives and they were all older women with the exception of 1 showing he had no pattern of pedophilia. YOU FAIL!!!"
On that logic if i kill someone and dont kill again does that make me not a murderer????? POW EAT THAT SPASTIC MUSLIM !!!
stevenpaddybwoy 11 months ago
@stevenpaddybwoy You wont do a damn thing punk!!! And your argument is total BS! That younger wife he had was already past Puberty , YOU FAIL!!! POW SMASH CRASH!!!! Now get the hell on ,dumb ass bigot!!!
MrIslamAnswersback 10 months ago
JazackAllah for the excellent video! Robert Spencer is merely a hatemonger preying on the fears of the masses. Another Zionist mouthpiece creating hate. Keep making the great videos!
Salams from Canada :)
KnightCrawler2 11 months ago
From the Quran: Chapter 9, Verse 29:
Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book [Jews and Christians], until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
Explain that one.
riffgrinder 1 year ago
@riffgrinder Easy, this verse was about a battle known as TABUK in which Roman Christians were preparing to attack the Muslims from the North of arabia. So this was revealed on how to deal with them. Look it up, "Battle of tabuk".
MrIslamAnswersback 1 year ago
And if you weren't afraid to post actual feedback here you wouldn't need to screen the responses. But then again, Islam isnt exactly big on free speech is it?
riffgrinder 1 year ago 3
@riffgrinder Wrong , It has nothing to do with being afraid. You bigots dont much any way. It has to do with the fact that so many idiots leave offensive comments like calling me a nigger or muslim nigger, that I have to screen the post. I refuse to let any devils get off insults at my expense.
MrIslamAnswersback 1 year ago
You Muslims sure get defensive when people point out discrepancies in your Quran versus the image you want the world to see. Did Mohamed kill a whole lotta people? Yep, beheaded many of them himself. Does the Quran state that it is ok to lie to infidels if it benefits Islam? Yep, sure does. Do the newer verses in the Quran that speak of subjugation and killing non-believers override the older peaceful verses that you quoted? yep, sure do. Is Mohamed a pedophile? Yep, he sure is.
riffgrinder 1 year ago 2
@riffgrinder SEE, everything you just posted is BS! There are no discrepancies in the Quran. Muhammad did not kill a whole lot of people. He did not behead many himself. The Quran does not state its ok to lie to infidels if it benefits islam. NO newer verses override older peaceful verses. NOPE they sure dont. Was a muhammad a pedophile ?NOPE, he sure wasnt, He had many wives and they were all older women with the exception of 1 showing he had no pattern of pedophilia. YOU FAIL!!!
MrIslamAnswersback 1 year ago
@qwer1234555sd Oh please ,stop with the paranoia, nazi style propaganda BS! I dont want the over throw of the constitution, In fact I want you peckerwoods to start following the constitution and stop going against it with stupid bigot and excuses .
MrIslamAnswersback 1 year ago
Typical muslims, if anybody dares speak out about your evil religion you straight away call them bigots and racists. Islams days are numbered. Typically muslims recruit insecure gullible un-educated, young people to their cult but even 3rd world countries have access to the internet now and they cant keep hiding the truth for ever. I like the way you lable your video Robert Spencer Refuted. Ha ha what a joke you havent refuted shit. Not one of your arguments hold water.
yamum1976 1 year ago
@yamum1976 actually thats false. Most muslims are well educated people. Infact muslim earn more degrees than the non muslim populations they live amongst. Its uneducated poor people who accept Christianity, just because a missionary gives them candy , or 1 plate of rice, now thats gullible. You joke ass hero was clearly refuted, your stupid ass bigotry just has you in a state of denial. Jokes on you dumb ass!
MrIslamAnswersback 1 year ago
I like your style mate, you are absolutely right about the history of Christianity and compulsion.
However, when you try to claim that Mohammed did not make his name in war, you are denying that the Hadiths themselves describe that Mohammed himself beheaded captives and ordered the assassination of political opponents. As far as saying that Mohammed was "persecuted" by the Pagan Arabs, the only record we have of this is from the early Muslim Arabs. History is afterall written by the winners
TonyLoco23 1 year ago
@TonyLoco23 But all the info is from early Muslim arabs and some of it is questionable and doubtful so why refer to any it when you want to claim against Muhammad, but doubt it when it says Muhammad was persecuted??????
MrIslamAnswersback 1 year ago
@MrIslamAnswersback A historian should never dismiss any source outright, but rather examine all sources under the prejudices from which they came. For example, when studying law and order in the South during the segregation era, one would scrutinize the account of a white sherriff, in all likelyhood the crimes perpetrated by whites against blacks may be under-exaggerated, whilst the crimes of blacks against whites might be heavily over-exaggerated. The same should be done with Arab history.
TonyLoco23 1 year ago
@TonyLoco23 Wrong , no hadith states that muhammad beheaded anyone. And he never had any political opponents assassinated. He was'nt running for political office, He claim was to be a prophet not a ruler.
MrIslamAnswersback 1 year ago
@MrIslamAnswersback
Here are some examples from the Hadiths where Mohammed slaughters people:
"I was among the captives of Banu Qurayza. They (the Companions) examined us, and those who had begun to grow hair (pubes) were killed, and those who had not were not killed. I was among those who had not grown hair." Abu Dawud 38:4390
"It is not fitting for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he has made a great slaughter in the land." Koran 8:67
Continued...
TonyLoco23 1 year ago
@TonyLoco23 where does it say Muhammad himself had killed in that hadith? And Quran 8:67 was referring to the battle of Badr against the pagan Arabs who had been persecuting and Attacking the muslims 1st. You lose again.
MrIslamAnswersback 1 year ago
@MrIslamAnswersback:
"No woman of Banu Qurayza was killed except one. She was with me, talking and laughing on her back and belly while the Apostle of Allah (peace be upon him) was killing her people with the swords. Suddenly a man called her name: Where is so-and-so?...The man took her and beheaded her. She said: I will not forget that she was laughing extremely although she knew that she would be killed.
TonyLoco23 1 year ago
@TonyLoco23 No reference given and the Banu Qurayza and Muslim had been in battle it wasnt as if they were innocent by standers . it was a battle. You lose again. Why must you bigots ignore context and twist and misconstrue things??The Banu Qurayza were fighting and Killing Muslims as well. You bigots really need to stop, it only proves what I have been saying, that your a bunch of hate filled bigots that must lie and deceive inorder to support your bigotry against islam. Such sorry low lives!
MrIslamAnswersback 1 year ago
You are a liar. Robert Spencer (MA, Religious Studies, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill) has been studying Islamic theology, law, and history in depth since 1980. You muslims are so intent on refuting obvious truths about your cult ohh sorry I meant religion but why dont you turn your effort to the thousands of terrorists committing atrocities everyday about your so called religion of peace.
yamum1976 1 year ago
@yamum1976 WRONG, you're the LIAR! He has just read somethings about islam and but has not professionally studied Islam. so stop! His MA in religious studies was not an indepth study of Islam so get off that BS!
MrIslamAnswersback 1 year ago
@MrIslamAnswersback I see you are more interested in trying to take away Robert Spencers credentials but completely failed to address the hundreds of murders committed everyday in the name of your fucked up religion.I have read the quran and you cannot deny the 100's of hate quotes that are in there. Mohammed was a mass murderer, political assassin,liar,pedophile,slave owner,and the list goes on.This is fact not fiction, fact. 800 people from the Banu Qurayza tribe beheaded on his orders.
yamum1976 1 year ago
@yamum1976 Wrong, yes I did indeed address his claims about islam, You must not have watched the whole video. Watch both videos in full and see that I did indeed refute his BS lies. And you're a liar you have not read the Quran. There are no hundred of hate quotes. Sorry ass lying bigots!!
MrIslamAnswersback 1 year ago
@MrIslamAnswersback well I can assure you I have read the quran (not cover to cover obviously) and I have served along side muslims in east timor and Iraq. I do know there are peaceful muslims I actually have a friend who is muslim.It is not muslims I hate it is Islam.There are hundreds of hate quotes in the quran google it for heavens sake and if these quotes are taken out of context then how about explaining that to the terrorists who obviously see these quotes the same as I do.
yamum1976 1 year ago
i have read the koran and bukharis hadith ibn ishaq's biography.
spencers quotes are accurate.
i urge all muslims to oust the hate preachers amongst you. if you do, islam can come out of the present violent phase & take its place ALONGSIDE all the other tolerant peaceful faiths of the world. if you collectively fail to do so, i think it is inevitable that it will implode.
when ordinary muslims access web info and compare it with koran, they CANNOT remain in denial anymore.
catveezle 1 year ago 2
@catveezle Wrong. Ibn Ishaq work is very doubful, and has been said so by many scholars of the past and present, yet you people seem to love to use his works .
MrIslamAnswersback 1 year ago
@MrIslamAnswersback
I AM NOT LEARNED IN THESE MATTERS, BUT I HAVE read in a number of places that ishaqs is the first and best warts- and-all un-airbrushed account of his life.
strange to see muslims dissing it!
i think the concept of Taqiyya is poisoning any trust non-muslims might have in muslims being honest about their claim.
also, mohammed said about oaths "if i find something better, i do it and expiate my oath" a muslims word cant be trusted.
+prohibition on criticising islams roots
catveezle 1 year ago
@catveezle Sorry but there is no concept of taqqiyah. And what you claim is bogus. Scholars of islam say very clearly that Ishaq work is not the best and has very doubtful accounts in it. Some of the past scholars actually said Ishaq was a liar. So I think you better do some more reading. And the lie of Taqqiyah made up by anti Muslim Bigots attempts to poison non muslims from trusting any thing a muslim says by claiming its taqqiyah. Similar to how Nazis said Jews could lie to goyim.
MrIslamAnswersback 1 year ago
@thunderheart226 WRONG still . The Arabs had white slaves as well. many people seem to never mention this fact. Moors did not do to the spanish what the spanish did to the natives. Thats why spain is still spanish today. But Where are the natives? They mostly speak the language of the invader spanish and are marginalized still in their home nations. Those diseases were spread by the Whites and in some cases on purpose such as Gen. Amhurst who sent small pox infested blankets to indians.
MrIslamAnswersback 1 year ago
@quinofking Any one who uses nanking as an excuse to then kill a quarter of a million Japanese civilians does not understand the realities of genocide and is in no position to tell me a damn thing. So 2 wrongs make it right in your book huh?
MrIslamAnswersback 1 year ago
Are you not a sunni or something? Your showing abrogated verses unless you dont believe in abrogation?...
dilawer321 1 year ago
@dilawer321 Allah says no where that these verses were abrogated. Muhammad never said these verses were abrogated either. No one can claim verses are abrogated except Allah -says Quran 6:115 "The word of thy Lord doth find its fulfilment in truth and in justice: None can change His words". The scholars differ on abrogated verses because there is no authentic narration from Muhammad that ever says a verse was abrogated. Yet you speak as if its a certainty ?? Its not.
MrIslamAnswersback 1 year ago
@MrIslamAnswersback i never claimed the quran is abrogated or not, take a chill pilll man why you so defensive, i only asked do you believe the quran is abrogated or not, as probably 99% of muslim scholars say the quran is abrogated, do you agree with them or not thats what im asking......
dilawer321 1 year ago
@dilawer321 99% of them dont agree on what abrogated because again there is no statement from Allah or Muhammad that any verse was abrogated, that what believe. I take the word of Allah and his prophet over the varying opinions out there. And in this case They never mention any direct abrogation of a any verse of the Quran. So the verses I mention here are NOT abrogated.
MrIslamAnswersback 1 year ago
@MrIslamAnswersback So you believe the quran is abrogated yet your saying noone knows wich verses were abrogated or wich verses were not abrogated, so basicaly it is upto the individual how they follow islam and what they go by, do you not agree that mayb this is what couses so much confusion amongst muslims, with all their sects etc, how exactly do you personaly follow the quran then if you dont know wich verses to folow and wich verses not to follow if noone knows what is abrogated and not?
dilawer321 1 year ago
@dilawer321 NO THATS NOT WHAT IM SAYING. Im saying some people have claimed verses were abrogated yet there is no proof for such from Allah or the prophet to support that. Theres so much confusion because people follow the opinions of men rather than Obeying Allahs word the QURAN & his prophet. Since there is no proof from Allah or his prophet I dont claim verses are abrogated until I see proof from Allah or his messenger saying so. Thats how I follow the Quran.
MrIslamAnswersback 1 year ago
Good job Brother. alhamdulillah. Christian always try to spread hate and lies about islam. They need brothers like u on cnn not these christians that have no clue what islam really teaches. may allah bless u 4 speaking the truth!
bosnianmuslim22 1 year ago
You often say: "OK"
This is a clear signt that you know you are lying!!!
This is shameful.
You should speak the Truth!!
Jesamli 1 year ago
@Jesamli OH please, what bullshit!!! That is not a sign of anything, other than saying OK alot, nothing more. Notice thats all you could come with. You could not even address my points . Instead you come with a weak ass claim about using OK alot. Really!!!!? GTHOOH with that nonsense!!
MrIslamAnswersback 1 year ago
Mr. Islam!
What is the point in refuting to the muslim people!
If they were the real true muslim, they would not trust Robert Spencer at all.
Ant there was no need for your funny "refutations".
You should try to reach the non-muslim people!
That is the task.
And above all your should not make an "ad personam", as you started your presentation.
It is a real bad sign proved correct.
That you don't have an argument.
Besides the Quran which does not count in this debate.
Jesamli 1 year ago
@Jesamli What are you talking about?? This was a refutation so NON muslims can see that Robert Spencer is wrong. And of course the Quran counts in this debate. It has to as its the main source of authority in Islam.
MrIslamAnswersback 1 year ago
You whooped that fellow to pieces brother.
Truly Islam is a religion of peace. Bro, perhaps you'd like to see my article dealing with 100s of verses and Hadith misused by a Missionary. Here's the article:
muslim-responses. com/Jihad_Verses/Jihad_Verses_
truebeliever786 1 year ago
@truebeliever786 ,yes I will check it out, thank you.
MrIslamAnswersback 1 year ago
If you claim that Robert is not an Islamic scholar and he has no right to say anything about Islam, then you have to say that all Muslims ARE Islamic scholars and only Islamic scholars can understand the Koran or not all Muslims are Islamic scholars and not all can read and understand it properly. if the latter is the case, then only a select few can read and understand and the masses can be mislead. Statistically, not all Muslims have read the Koran...have you? Front to back?
theStormaftertheCalm 1 year ago
@theStormaftertheCalm Thats not what Im saying. Im saying he give his own misinformed opinion concerning Islamic issues ,meanwhile Scholars of Islam refute him, so who do we go with?? Some guy who dislikes Islam and has no expertise in it, or people who have expertise in islam who refute his claims. And yes I have read the Quran front to back many times.
MrIslamAnswersback 1 year ago
@MrIslamAnswersback - What Robert has to say about Islam is also being said by many others, many are former Muslims. Scholars of Islam have every right to defend their faith as any other belief system and as long as their arguments can hold water they shouldn't have any concern. Refutation has to be determined by third parties observing those who are debating. A debater can't decide whether he/she was convincing enough on the debate to win. I haven't seen an "exhaustive" Islamic debate yet.
theStormaftertheCalm 1 year ago
@theStormaftertheCalm Robert Spencer has not debated a Muslim in a public debate yet. He debates non muslims but seems afraid to debate a Muslim.
MrIslamAnswersback 1 year ago
@MrIslamAnswersback - Robert doesn't need to study Islam to know Islam. I don't myself. I go by the videos I watch, what Islam is saying through his followers and what they are doing to those who refuse to convert. I watched a video of an Imam saying that Islam will dominate the world and the goal was to have the US a nation of Islam by 2022, minimum. Another states that Islam will become the one world government and religion through the higher levels of government, academia and business.
theStormaftertheCalm 1 year ago
@theStormaftertheCalm Going by videos and random statements by people is not a true representation of Islam. Many Imams like many Christian leaders often say things based on hype and emotion. But if you check the true sources of islam you find they were incorrect. Exploiting these prideful statements by a random Imam here or there is just misleading.
MrIslamAnswersback 1 year ago
I understand that Moses was under direct instruction from God, actually speaking with Him daily. Once again, what Biblical prophets did was never to force conversion. Any wars against nations was based upon those nations either sacrificing their children to their Gods or coming out to attack the Jews. Many times God told the Israelites, "You will not do what the other nations do." You won't find in there, "Kill them if they refuse to worship me."
theStormaftertheCalm 1 year ago
@theStormaftertheCalm There is no such command in the Quran either. But its interesting how you use the excuse for the killing in the bible by saying God gave Moses instructions , so that makes it ok?? And Actually in Luke 19:27 it does say "those who refuse the rule of jesus over them should be brought before him and killed."
MrIslamAnswersback 1 year ago
@MrIslamAnswersback - Those who were killed were murderers, as archaeology demonstrates. Now, if you don't believe in justice upon murderers just say so and I will acknowledge that. Luke 19:12 demonstrates that the man left to receive his kingdom. Jesus did so when He was caught up. Verse 15, the man returns, which Jesus hasn't returned yet. Verse 27, the man gives instructions to bring them before him. Jesus will do so in the last Great Battle of Armageddon. A parable of the future, our future
theStormaftertheCalm 1 year ago
@theStormaftertheCalm LOL what archaeology shows that those killed were murderers? Seems like another far out excuse to justify violence in the bible. And you still ignore the clear point of Luke 19:27 whether its the future or not, its still says kill those who refuse the rule of Jesus. So a parable to future killing of those who refuse the rule of the king Jesus. Does that make it any better?!
MrIslamAnswersback 1 year ago
On Helen Ellerbe, I borrow heavily from the atheists in regard to earlier Christians when they say, "They were uneducated and illiterate!" And they were. Very few people could actually read the Bible and the rest just followed what they were told, which was not always the truth. Documentation indicates nothing biblical to the call of bloodshed but pure political purposes. Today; however, we live in the "Information Age," where education is HUGE and such behavior is unacceptable.
theStormaftertheCalm 1 year ago
Luke 19:27 - Jesus was using a parable that clearly refers to His second return. In the parable, the noble man goes to a far country to acquire a kingdom for himself. Jesus did this when he ascended into heaven. In the parable, the man returns to discover the results of the money with interest. Jesus will reap the harvest from the earth of those who have followed him. In the parable, the citizens will not follow him. Jesus and his army will slay those who reject him at the battle of Armageddon.
theStormaftertheCalm 1 year ago
@theStormaftertheCalm SO, it still calls for the killing of those who refuse the rule of jesus either way. You make it sound like, because it will be killing after his 2nd coming ,that some how makes it not as bad. Its still the murder of those who refuse his rule.
MrIslamAnswersback 1 year ago
@MrIslamAnswersback - But you're missing my point. My point is this - Those who refuse to follow Jesus will, in the end, die by "His" hand along with those who make up His spiritual army. Any slaying or bloodshed isn't to be from my hand against those who reject Jesus. Flesh against flesh is not allowed when it comes to beliefs. What Jesus decides to do against those who reject Him in the end is His decision. He isn't going to ask me what I think He should or shouldn't do. The burden isn't mine.
theStormaftertheCalm 1 year ago
@theStormaftertheCalm WRONG!!!!! The verse clearly says , YOU BRING THEM HERE AND KILL THEM IN FRONT OF ME. You others will clearly do the killing in front of Jesus to see. Stop making excuses and just face what your own book says.
MrIslamAnswersback 1 year ago
Actually, there is a difference between what Robert is saying versus your comparison to the Bible. Robert is saying that Muslims follow the teachings that all must convert to Islam or die. What you're reading in Deut, actually is an issue with the nations sacrificing their children to their Gods. As he tells the Hebrews many times, "They have done evil in my sight." It's an apples to oranges comparison.
theStormaftertheCalm 1 year ago
@theStormaftertheCalm NO, 1st he is wrong about what Islam says. But again, how are you making it ok to kill non jews because " They have done evil in my sight" . Thats a big double standard. Its not apples and oranges, its a "your in denial "fact.
MrIslamAnswersback 1 year ago
@MrIslamAnswersback - Even if Robert can't read the Koran, we can see with our own eyes what Islam is doing. We don't need to master the Koran but only to watch what its followers are doing. It has nothing to do with Jews and non-Jews but everything to do with laws and violation of those laws. A double standard would be the Israelites violating the same laws they are administering justice against others for doing. LOL! There were Jews who violated the laws and they were killed for it as well.
theStormaftertheCalm 1 year ago
@theStormaftertheCalm If thats the case we can see what jews are doing, we can see what Christians are doing also. If we judge by the actions then every religion and every people are guilty of evil doing then. Ok so forget what the bible says. I judge Christians and jews to be killers, oppressors, racist, and corrupt since thats what I see them to have been doing for centuries and currently. So have you watched what your own people are doing? Seems you haven't.
MrIslamAnswersback 1 year ago
So 60:8-9 Basically states that if Muslims dominate the land and no one of that land states anything negative about it, as Muslims implement Shariah, then be nice to them, hence they accept Islam; however, if anyone puts up their hands and says, "No Shariah wanted here", then you are not to befriend them and if need be must fight against them. Shariah is an essence of Islam so telling a Muslim that they can't have their Shariah is an Islamic violation, hence unavoidable violence.
theStormaftertheCalm 1 year ago
@theStormaftertheCalm Wrong , It says nothing about dominating or not. Its a general rule regardless of what position Muslims are in . So your just twisting and adding in your own bias. Shariah is for muslims only , A non muslim nations can say they dont want shariah since they are not muslims.So stop you BS lies and misinformation, You ,like Robert is just ignorant of the facts.
MrIslamAnswersback 1 year ago
@MrIslamAnswersback - It has nothing to do with bias but everything to do with observation and analysis. Case in point, I was watching a video of a Muslim being accused of hating non-Muslims where he was trying to convince the viewer that he didn't hate non-Muslims. Throughout the entire video he kept saying that he didn't hate his fellow Muslims but loved them and would never harm them. I kept waiting and waiting for him to say he loved everyone equally, Muslim or not, but he never did.
theStormaftertheCalm 1 year ago
@theStormaftertheCalm OH come on, how weak and sorry of an observation and analysis. So because he didnt say what you wanted to hear and how you wanted to hear it , you pass your bias judgement on him?
MrIslamAnswersback 1 year ago
alhumdulillah great job bro!
husnain1 1 year ago
nice job brother. JAZAKULLAH
MegaElmo23 1 year ago
ONLY MARXISIT CAN CRITIZE MARXIST !!! Get real.
Ask yourself who Mohammed would live today if he was here.
Like Bin Ladin or like you?
pigment777 1 year ago
@pigment777 He would, like me. Bin Laden goes against the teaching of Islam.
MrIslamAnswersback 1 year ago
@MrIslamAnswersback ... as many other you don´t know your own history.
• Mohammed raided 8 caravans.
• Moahammed was involved in 77 offensive battels
• Mohammed behedded 800 jews in one day
• Mohammed married Aiasha when she was 6 years old.
• Mohammed stoned people to death
• Mohammed had slaves
• Mohammed murdered a poet
... and he was not shore if he was possesed or if it was an angel that talked to him. He tried to take his own life several times.
Check it out yourself !!
pigment777 1 year ago
@pigment777 as many others you dont know a damn thing about yours or our history.
* Muhammad did not raid 8 caravans
* Muhammad was involved in defensive battles since the muslims were persecuted
* Wrong, Muhammad did not behead 800 Jews.
* Wrong Muhammad did not marry aiesha when she was 6
* stoning is a punishment from the bible for adultery.
* Muhammad freed slaves
* Muhammad himself did not murder a poet
and others in the bible were afraid of angels at 1st also
Check your own damn self!!
MrIslamAnswersback 1 year ago
Just to get things straight...Americans did not slay anyone in africa... Africans slayed africans in africa and sold the survivors as slaves.
fuzz461 1 year ago
@fuzz461 WRONG, you have just gotten things crooked. Yes indeed some Americans did have their own slave ships and slave companies and did do raids on the coast of western africa.
MrIslamAnswersback 1 year ago
@MrIslamAnswersback you are wrong.... Americans sent their navy to stop the slave ships. they even established a place for the rescued slaves. its now called "liberia" T hey could not return the rescued slaves back to their land because they just got recycled back into slavery. try to learn your history man... the americans did not seek out the africans and made them slaves. they were having tribal wars and whoever got conquered got killed or sold.
fuzz461 1 year ago
@fuzz461 Wrong, America had its own slave ships.
MrIslamAnswersback 1 year ago
@MrIslamAnswersback they may have owned some slave ship, but americans did not capture the africans. it was their rival african tribes that conquered them and sold them to slavery. and still, a lot of americans fought and freed slaves even before they step foot on american soil.
fuzz461 1 year ago
@fuzz461 WRONG again. Americans made a business of owning , and selling slaves. Yes they did capture africans as well. No americans fought to free slaves, it was part of their business until the late 1800s, so you're wrong. Even the early presidents had slaves so what the hell are you talking about!?
MrIslamAnswersback 1 year ago
What is the name of the brother in this video? Jazakallah for informing us about the truth!!
Shafir17 1 year ago
Well done!
SuperSparten 1 year ago
"He [Robert Spencer] is a sorry ass lying bigot!"
If he's nothing more than a liar then why don't you engage him in a public debate and expose him? I wonder why other Muslim apologists don't step up to the challenge of refuting his lies, either. After all, he has a standing invitation to debate any Muslim or non-Muslim apologist for Islam on his website.
Zdrazy 1 year ago
@Zdrazy I would love to Debate him in public. Problem is Robert would rather do lectures instead of face a challenge from a Muslim. And when challenged he makes sure not to take on challengers that are sure you embarrass his lying ass. believe me, I would love to debate him and said so in the video.
MrIslamAnswersback 1 year ago
@AussieMMA11 Wrong !! The true Muslims are the people who got about their daily lives with out any problems. All you said about Muhammad was BS. He never raided any caravans in an offensive. You lying bigots. The hadith even says the caravan from mecca had the goods that the pagans took from the muslims 1st. So stop your BS lies!!
MrIslamAnswersback 2 years ago
@MrIslamAnswersback My point is, The Quran and Hadith DOES have some violent passages that justify extremists' actions. There are many peaceful muslims, but until we can admit the bad parts JUST like we did with the Bible, then this extremism WILL continue. There are no marches against extremism in Britain, Middle East, or the US. Where were the Muslims condemning the attacks on the cartoonists? Until we admit that there are condemnable passages, we can never move forward as brothers.
Rshimy 2 years ago
@Rshimy as I showed , the Quran and hadith speak of fighting in self defense and against oppression. Muslim organizations and muslim activist did speak out. Just do a google search for "muslims condemn violence or terrorism" and you will get 100,000s of hits. Its just that anti islamic bigots dont want to look, but muslims have spoken out.
MrIslamAnswersback 2 years ago
After his eviction by the Meccans, Muhammad and his Muslims found refuge many miles away in Medina where they were not being bothered by their former adversaries. Despite this, Muhammad sent his men on seven unsuccessful raids against Meccan caravans before finally finding one, whereupon they murdered the driver and plundered the contents. This particular caravan was especially vulnerable because the attack came during the holy months, when the merchants were least expecting it.
Rshimy 2 years ago
@Rshimy WRONG again. The meccans still persued the muslims even in medina. Even when the muslims ran to Ethiopia, the meccans even went there after the muslims. Again the hadith and history says the meccans had the muslims property in those caravans so the muslims went to take it back. Yet again and again the anti islamic bigots leave that part out.
MrIslamAnswersback 2 years ago
Im not a bigot, i simply read the Quran and Hadiths like you. Maybe it could change your view on me if i told you i was born Muslim in Saudi Arabia, and i speak perfect Arabic? Because that is the truth. And as for condemning extremists, there are no widespread efforts to STOP it from the Islamic public. Why does no one stop it when they behead apostates and stone unruly women in the streets? Why do videos come out every week from them taping it with cell phones, and everyone is cheering?
Rshimy 2 years ago
You could'nt have read them like me cause I see no proof of what you claim. And so what if you speak arabic or if your from saudi , Im not impressed. That means nothing. Allah never said being arab makes you an expert on Islam. In fact Allah says the arabs are the worst in hypocrisy and not knowing the limits of Allah in Quran 9:97 & 9:101. So you get no points there. And there are plenty of efforts by Muslim Govs that smash radical groups the US even helps them.
MrIslamAnswersback 2 years ago
What apostate was beheaded?? What kind of anti muslim propaganda are you following?! And stop,there is no video every week. Again see the over exaggeration, clear proof of bigoted thinking. And again when this does happen its from some small group of people in the middles east. AGAIN, MOST MUSLIMS ARE NOT IN THE MIDDLE EAST, AND MOST MUSLIMS DONT DO THOSE THINGS, STOP YOUR IGNORANCE AND BIGOTRY!
MrIslamAnswersback 2 years ago
Im not lying, you just never looked at BOTH sides of Islam, and i have LIVED through both sides. So who is bigoted? Look up Mansuur-Mohammed. See what happened to him, the video is online. Go to the websites THEYNC and DOCUMENTINGREALITY. At the YNC type in apostate and see what you find. They DO release new videos every week, and it is all user submitted. If you understand Arabic such as i do, you would see that they spew hate while reinforcing it with quranic verses.
Rshimy 2 years ago 4
@Rshimy Again, all your doing is telling me what a FEW IGNORANT ARABS are doing. Arabs are not islam.MOST MUSLIMS ARE NOT ARABS. ARABS ARE NOT THE MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS. MOST MUSLIMS DO NOT DO THE THINGS THESE IGNORANT ARABS you speak of do. So you dont know islam, you know the side of what some ignorant arabs do based on some culture that has nothing to do with Islam.
MrIslamAnswersback 2 years ago
@MrIslamAnswersback My question would have to be this... Let's assume that YOU interpret the quran correctly and the fanatics have it wrong... why then did an omniscient god write a book that could be so easily misinterpreted and would become the greatest source of violence and hatred the world has ever seen?
kusalaviro 1 year ago
@kusalaviro 1st the Quran is not the greatest source of violence and hatred the world has ever known. Your extreme exaggeration shows your bias. The Quran didnt inspire Europeans to colonise and kill Natives Ametricans, The Quran didnt inspire The racism of Aparthied and Jim Crow . The Quran didnt inspire the Atomic bombing of japan. The Quran didnt inspire WW1 and WW2. The Quran didnt inspire the Crusades or Inquisition. So your claims is Bullshit. Any book can be misinterpreted .
MrIslamAnswersback 1 year ago
@MrIslamAnswersback It is estimated that 280 million people have been killed during the spread of islam in its 1,400 year history. That is most certainly the worlds worst genocide!
kusalaviro 1 year ago
@kusalaviro Who made such an estimation? It was estimated that more than 400 million were killed by the spread of Christianity in its 2000 year history when they had the inquisition, their pograms and when they killed and conquered in North America, South America, Africa , Asia and the orient. No, this clearly the worlds worst genocide! Learn history before you make such bogus claims.
MrIslamAnswersback 1 year ago
@MrIslamAnswersback oh plz the quran didnt stop muslims from enslaving blacks for hundreds of years and yes the moors inspired spain to conquer natives.what about darfur?are white people responsible for that?so its wrong if we used the A bomb on japan but what about the rape of nanking when jap soldiers massacred the chinese.what about theo van gogh what about the millions of hindus who died during muslim rule.what about greek and armenian genocides.oppression of coptic christian in egypt?
thunderheart226 1 year ago
@thunderheart226 Oh plz Arabs and others were enslaving blacks before the Quran was every revealed. And no, the Spanish were inspired by the Bible when they conquered the natives. They came bearing the Cross not islam. And you used the A bomb on Japanese civilians. No matter what happened at nanking, how did that justify A bombing civilians? What about Marwa el-Sherbini. What about the Millions killed during European rule. What about Black and Native genocide.Oppression of Blacks in S. Africa?
MrIslamAnswersback 1 year ago
@MrIslamAnswersback
the dropping of the atomic bomb on Japan was one of the most humane things the US did during the war,Truman had a plan to invade Japan using american and soviet forces, and sure thousands died with just 2 bombs but millions would have died on both sides from "plan A".so thats how i would justify it and thats not the US being a horrible force, those are the realities of war that we see on the battle field today nuclear weapons kept the cold war from going into an actual war.
quinofking 1 year ago
@quinofking Humane!! Killing a quarter of a million civilians was humane?? What the hell!? Wow its funny how people claim to be civilized yet you speak of the killing of these civilians like its no big deal. And these bullshit hypothetical claims that if they didnt drop it so many more would have died is just that bullshit! They had no way of knowing how many would have died really. But you people always have an excuse for you evil actions. No wonder some say your nothing but devils.
MrIslamAnswersback 1 year ago
@Rshimy The Quran says -"The Arabs are very staunch in disbelief and hypocrisy.
They do not regard the limits revealed
by God to His messenger.
And God is knowledgeable and judge."
(Quran 9:97)
MrIslamAnswersback 2 years ago
@MrIslamAnswersback
Dear Sir
I should like to invite you to a debate on Islam. If you accept I shall send you some details.
Kind regards,
7x
7x34hj 1 year ago
@7x34hj What would you like to debate. contact me and give me the detail.
MrIslamAnswersback 1 year ago
@MrIslamAnswersback I tried to send you a personal message, which include the details, but it seems you have 'friend lock' initiated.
7x34hj 1 year ago
well done bro, keep it up.
trkk82 2 years ago
no doubt son , u gotta get work too
mtlprodigy1 2 years ago
ALLAH U AKBAR
erzincanli79 2 years ago
Zionist Robert Spencer's Bible says:
"Destroy all of the land; beat down their pillars and break their statues and waste all of their high places, cleansing the land and dwelling in it, for I have given it to you for a possession" Numbers 33:52,53
"And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city both men and women, infants and old and ox and sheep and ass with the edge of the sword." Joshua 6:21
Daz20s 2 years ago
Robert Spencer is a racist moron,full of hate, trickery and deceit. He would misquote anything, cut words out of a verse or a passage and plays with words just to support his evil line of thought. What people need to understand is that Robert Spencer is an extremist who commits murder and crimes against humanity in his own heart and mind.He is a warmonger and supports violence and oppression of Muslim and non-white people wherever they may be found. Being a Zionist he does all this for Israel.
Daz20s 2 years ago
You may claim that these are not Qur'anic quotations, so allow me to obviate this response.
If you read the Tafseer of Ibn Kathir, you'll realise that these actions were carried out by Muslims who used verses like 9:5 and 9:29 as justification. That is the point that Spencer makes.
This continues even today, with the subjugation of non-Muslims in Islamic countries.
Also, is there a verse in the Qur'an that abrogates 9:5 or 9:29, or states that these verses were applicable only once?
Zdrazy 2 years ago
Spencers point is still weak, as Bible verses have been used and are used to do wrong as well. Its not just Muslims who twist scripture to suit them, so why try to make it seem likes this is only the case with muslims? And this subjugation stuff is nonsense. Most non muslims live well in most muslim nations. You guys take a isolated incident in saudi or Iran and make it like thats 90% of the muslim nations when its not.. And the context of 9:5 and 9:29 show they were applicable back then.
MrIslamAnswersback 2 years ago
have you even read those verses in context? read surah 9:1-13 not just 9:5 alone. In context you see that ending at 9:13 it says " You will not fight a people WHO BROKE THEIR OATH, aimed at the expulsion of the messenger and THEY ATTACKED YOU 1st". Its clear. And 9:29 was about the battle of tabuk in which the Romans( christians at the time) were preparing to attack the Muslims from the North ( syria). So the context and event of revelation makes things clear about their application 4 back then.
MrIslamAnswersback 2 years ago
"Fight them, and God will chastise them, He will have them killed, at your hands and degrade them, humiliate them through capture and subjugation, and He will give you victory against them" --Jalalayn, 9:14
It's important to note that the Qur'an makes no limitation on 9:5 or 9:29. Is it not correct that unless the Ayat are abrogated, then they are binding from the point at which they are revealed until the end of the world?
Zdrazy 2 years ago
@Zdrazy Wrong, 9:5 is clearly limited as shown by verse 9:13.
MrIslamAnswersback 1 year ago
@Zdrazy WRONG!!!! 9:5 is limited by the context starting at verses 9:1-13. Verses 1-4 speak of how the Pagans violated the treaty and then verse 5-13 speaks of fight the pagans and in 13 says the reason is because;
"will you not fight a people who broke their oaths and aimed at the expulsion of the Messenger, and they attacked you first"
SEE THEY ATTACKED YOU 1st. So its its clearly limited to the Meccans that broke the treaty and attacked the Muslims 1st.
MrIslamAnswersback 1 year ago
@Zdrazy 9:29 was concerning the battle of tabuk in which the Christian Romans were preparing to attack the muslims 1st- Ibn Kathir. Funny how have 9:14 right there but ignored 9:13 -" will you not fight a people who broke their oaths and aimed at the expulsion of the Messenger, and they attacked you first; " Which says the pagans attacked the muslims 1st. This shows your clear dishonesty . But thats typical of anti Islamic bigots. So move on liar!
MrIslamAnswersback 1 year ago
In addition, since At-Tauba was one of the last, and if not, the last Surah revealed, does it not then take precedence over others?
It's interesting that you say 9:29 was revealed only to fight against the Byzantine Christians yet this same ayah also mentions the Jews and, indeed, 'those who believe not in Allah.'
The Qur'an gives a very broad definition of those who're to be fought, so why should a Tafseer be trusted if it says that this only meant one group of people at only one time?
Zdrazy 2 years ago
Your missing the problem. The problem is that MANY MUSLIMS interperet the Quran the way Robert Spencer does. Osama Bin Laden recites these verses all the time to justify his actions, he does it on every video he releases. That means his followers do to. Moderate muslims need to stand up against this ignorant bigotry. When was the last time you saw a muslim march condemning "radical" Islam in Iraq?Pakistan?Saudi Arabia? It doesnt happen.
Rshimy 2 years ago
@Rshimy wrong!! Actually, most muslims dont interpret the Quran the way Robert Spencer does.That why mosts muslims are not out fighting . They go to work everyday and just try to live with their families. Muslims have been standing up. They dont march because actions speak louder than protest. Instead the governments of those places go after and put down Radicals. Marching is just talk. Like the US protest against the Iraq war, nothing changed, they talked but the war still goes on.
MrIslamAnswersback 2 years ago
But there are enough muslims who DO interpret it like that, to where it is a HUGE problem. The goverment doesnt do a thing. Hell, President Hamid Karzhai tried to make it legal to rape your wife every 3 days in afghanistan. They dont take action, or else you wouldnt see new videos every day of people getting beheaded and stoned to death in the streets.If they took action, they would never allow it to happen, and they would be stopped. But no, look at a website the TheYNC or documentingreality
Rshimy 2 years ago
@Rshimy wrong again, most muslims DONT interpret it like that. The Saudi Government, Egyptian gov etc crack down hard on radicals. You forget that Karzhai was put in power by the BUSH administration. The videos you see are of a few people in the Middle east. While most muslims are not in the middle east. Most muslims around the world are not doing those things. Your view is limited by News clips of the middle east. Muslims are not only arabs you know?
MrIslamAnswersback 2 years ago
I didnt say most muslims, your hearing what you want to hear. Why do Saudi Schools teach the children the punishment for Apostacy is death? Most suicide bombers are Saudis. And damnit, im not talking about westernized muslims. I'm talking about the Taliban, Al Queda, Various sects in Sharia Law. This is too large a number to ALL be misinterpreting. The truth is, the Quran is subjective: If you want the violent side, it supports you. If you want the peace, it also supports.
Rshimy 2 years ago
@Rshimy wrong yet again. Most suicide Bombers are shia palestinians. How do you know what Saudis teach in school and saudi is not 10% of the muslim populations. The taliban, Al CIAeda are not even 1% of the muslim population, so its not too large a number. Your paranoid. The truth is any book including the bible can be subjective and used to support a side.
MrIslamAnswersback 2 years ago
Also, please watch the video titled "Does Robert Spencer Lie about Radical Islam?" to further elaborate my point.
Rshimy 2 years ago
@Rshimy Why would i watch another Robert Spencer video again?? I have refuted him several times already. I dont take him as a source of proof or truth. So your wasting your time asking me to watch or listen to him as your proof. He is a sorry ass lying bigot!
MrIslamAnswersback 2 years ago
@Rshimy Oh please thats a BS video, by a hate filled bigot, you call that proof? Come on.Like I said you idiots show some clips pictures of a fews muslims and all of a sudden all muslims are those few in the pictures??! Only stupid ass bigots generalize like that. Try again, you fail!!!
MrIslamAnswersback 2 years ago
"...these verses were applicable only once? "
Yes , the beginning of the Sura and its context .
"...the Qur'an that abrogates 9:5 or 9:29"
Abrogation in the scene you are using is a 4th century apocryphal MYTH that was debunked by Muslim scholars of the same century, but every single critic loves to use the abrogation myth , for example they like to claim that 9:29 abrogated all the peaceful verses , now thats just a load of desperate bigot crap .
Tchado1000 2 years ago
Ibn Kathir on 9:29:
"Muslims are not allowed to honor the people of Dhimmah or elevate them above Muslims, for they are miserable, disgraced and humiliated."
"Umar bin Al-Khattab, may Allah be pleased with him, demanded his well-known conditions be met by the Christians, these conditions that ensured their continued humiliation, degradation and disgrace."
It appears that Islamic scripture has, indeed, been used to justify tyranny and continues to be used today.
Zdrazy 2 years ago
Muhammad himself said otherwise in a message to the Monks of St. Catherine in Mount Sinai he said " I hold out against anything that displeases them( dhimmies).No compulsion is to be on them. No one should destroy a house of their religion or damage it, should 1 do so,they would spoil Gods covenant and disobey his prophet. Verily, They (dhimmies) are my allies and have my secure charter against all that they hate, NO ONE of the nation is to disobey this covenant till the day of judgement"
MrIslamAnswersback 2 years ago
Issue with Umar has also shown to be suspect as these conditions were said to be written by the Christians themselves and given to Umar. Yet other versions show Umar did as Muhammad said in what I quoted ,and gave fair and just treatment to them. The Book "Christianity under Islam in Jerusalem"By Oded Peri says research shows convincingly that the covenant of Umar could not have possibly come from Him. Sir Thomas W. Arnold also says similar. Many kinds of books have been used to justify wrong.
MrIslamAnswersback 2 years ago
Ibn Kathir's Tafseer on at-Tauba:
"These Ayat allowed fighting people unless, and until, they embrace Islam and implement its rulings and obligations."
Abbas commented: "No idolator had any more treaty or promise of safety ever since Surah Bara'ah (at-Tauba) was revealed."
Messenger of Allah said, (I would have cut off your head, if it was not that emissaries are not killed.) That man, Ibn An-Nawwahah, was later beheaded...
The Jihadists follow this example.
Zdrazy 2 years ago
The Qurans own tafsir of its self says Those ayats were all in self defense or fighting against injustice and oppression. Quran 60:8 made it clear, "Allah commands be kind and just to those who are not attacking you because of your belief, nor drive you from your land and homes, be kind and just to them, Allah loves the doers of Justice". The Quran is our to authority. Thus your alleged quotes are all suspect.
MrIslamAnswersback 2 years ago
@MrIslamAnswersback
May Allah reward you for all your good work
spaghane 2 years ago
Do you have any degree in Christian or Judea theology?
Robert Spencer holds a Master's degree in the department of Religious Studies from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill 1986.
What do you think about Muhammad being a slave owner? You're gonna justify that too??!!
What about Arab traders selling African people as slaves???!!!
kunemislam 2 years ago
I have me credentials in Comparative religious studies. Spencers degree is not in islam but in religion in general.
What do you think about Abraham, being a slave owner, or David and Solomon being slave owners? Or the Bible condoning Slavery. You going to be a hypocrite and ignore those?
What about arab traders? Europeans and even other Africans sold African people. Arabs also sold Europeans and even other Arabs, they didnt just sell Africans,so whats your point?!
MrIslamAnswersback 2 years ago
Are you saying your degree entitles you to make accusation against other religion but Spensor's degree does not? :)
He accuses islam, you - christianity; what's the difference between you two?
I did not ask you about Abraham, Solomon or any other jewish people whom you consider Allah's prophets for some strange reason... Besides, I don't believe in torah nor the bible.
I asked your opinion about a man who was a slave owner, whom you worship and adore.
kunemislam 2 years ago
My point is his degree was not directly in Islam, so thus his info is wrong. Thats why I used Islamic scholars to show they refute his claims. And I dont worship or adore any man. So your info is wrong as well.
MrIslamAnswersback 2 years ago
my point of being a slave owner is WRONG now and 50 000 years ago
it could have been normal to be a slave owner for a common person 1500 years ago, BUT NOT FOR A GODS MESSENGER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
it could have been ok for a common guy of 53 to marry a child, or kill another human being BUT NOT FOR A GODS MESSENGER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
how can you justify that a so called god's messenger can kill, rape, marry dozens of women, have slaves, marry your own adopted son's wife... etc.
kunemislam 2 years ago 3
Says who, you say you dont believe in Torah etc, then what criterion are you using to judge whether or not a messenger of God could have slaves or not? Your own opinion?! Everything you said is false. He was not a rapist, thief or any of the other BS claims you got from your lying hate site. Seems your claims are all based on lies and misinformation.
MrIslamAnswersback 2 years ago
Jazak allah khayre yaa akhi.
blackgyps2009 2 years ago
The lovers of sinful deeds and worldly pleasures will always fight against the truth. And they will stop at nothing to belittle the image of the believers. x /
Gutsukyo 2 years ago
You have done it well. Spencer needs to quote from Quran or from authentic hadith (Bukhari) not any books, written by average person. Spencer is an ignorant and arrogant person, these type people are the most loser both this life and the life heareafter. I would recommend spenser to watch some debate between islam and christianity to increase his knowlege. I recommend him to watch dr. zakir nayak vs any christian scholar or Ahammed deedat vs any christian scholar.
rajathekingg 2 years ago
"Spencer needs to quote from Quran or from authentic hadith (Bukhari)"
He has.
byteresistor 2 years ago 3
No he has'nt. He misquotes and makes up his own anti muslim interpretations.
MrIslamAnswersback 2 years ago
Unlike Muslim debators who use the original books to argue their point, this spencer shayatn uses books created by people who just want to spread the wrong meaning of Islam. Why can't he use authentic hadith and Qura'nic versus to argue his point? that's because he knows he has no real groud to stand on. He's like a dog let off it's leash and left to run amok. x /
Gutsukyo 2 years ago
Bad video. Stop quoting the peaceful verses, they were all abrogated and replaced with verse of the sword. You cannot deny this, it is said by muslim scholars everywhere!!! The 'peaceful' verses are not valid, surah 9:5 IS valid and how do you explain that away???
kusalaviro 2 years ago 2
WRONG, Surah 9:5 doesnt abrogate anything. Surah 9:5 is in a context starting from verse 1-13, keep reading past verse 5 to verse 13 and see it says the pagans attacked the muslims 1st and broke the agreement. Thats what 9:5 is about. The other verses are still valid because Allah nor the Prophet ever said they were abrogated. Scholars opinions are just that opinions unless they can show that Allah said so or Muhammad said so.
MrIslamAnswersback 2 years ago
what scholars said this, since you know so much about Islam, and Qur'an?
ahmadj345 2 years ago
I have to commend the articulation and the intelligence of the speaker in this movie. Impressive to say the least, I love the method, the passion and the will.
szuhbi 2 years ago
I would love to see a debate between Shabir Ally and Robert Spencer. Hands down Shabir Ally would put Robert Spencer in his place.
iowabrawler 3 years ago
Jazaka'Allahu Khairan brother for your Jihad. Keep it up.
WYCIWYG 3 years ago
I am not sure that a degree from a Western university would be reputable either. At the university I attended, one student in the Islamic Studies department was a radical socialist atheist who clearly had no other priority than criticizing Islam. New this person has a degree and is considered "credible" about centuries of Islamic scholarship? Unbelievable!
1LTLin 3 years ago