thats too bad. did you finish it off? im surprised the hippies arent all over this video. that is what i call natural selection at its finest. that bird was really stupid. wouldnt want its dna in new generations
do you know what kills hundreds of times more "large" avian species? buildings. Do you know what kills tens of times more "large" avian species. Roosting on power lines. So lets get rid of all the building and power lines. I encourage people to read a paper that has been peer reviewed by organizations on both sides. Yes, they do exist.
Everyday you hear about some project getting blocked because of possible harm to some animal. But wind turbines kill thousands of birds in the USA every year and we hear nothing from PETA. Go figure. It must be OK to kill animals as long as we do it with what they consider "Clean Energy"
Interesting, the enviromentalist wackos would not let power lines be put up across the mississippi river because the ducks would fly into the wires. Guess windmill wacking of birds is OK.
@driver658658 What are you talking about? The kind of environmentalists you're talking about won't shut up about how turbines kill a few birds and bats.
i cant believe someone asked if the bird was okay... then that comment was replied with "emegency services were called, they took care of it" LOL, where im from that means the cops showed up and shot that ugly ass vulture to put it out of its misery. hahaha.
Looks like CG to me, I live near a large turbine farm and unless those are ridiculously small turbines, or it's a giant mutant vulture from Mars... (plus it's unlikely you would hear that collision at that distance in that wind noise. )
@ve3pmk - Certain camcorders have a "zoom sound" which means wherever the viewfinder is pointed it picks up the sound from that general area, even if it is zoomed in and there is wind noise. Normal turbines are roughly 50-60 meters, there is 5 monster ones going up behind us (thats what Gael Electric call them) and they are 120 meters. Thats the same height as the Dublin Spire and 1.5 times the height of the Crown Plaza hotel which has 13 floors...
This is quite a stunning video - I've never seen that actually happening. It puts the lie to the BS about big turbine blades turning "too slowly" to cause harm.
These turbines cause a lot more harm than just killing birds, also. They ruin any semblance of a natural landscape that used to exist.
@NYC4U, it's not just a matter of coal or oil vs. wind (or solar). There are too many people on the planet, causing too many tough choices. I'd rather see half the turbine funds put into global birth control to reduce future energy demand. The mindless "supply side" approach to energy is half the problem.
Just giving people "clean" energy is not the sole mission of life on Earth. Aesthetic values must be protected if one wants to use the term "quality of life" with any real meaning.
Like any man-made hazard, we need to understand how a 500-600ft tower with a propellor the size of a Boeing 737 moving at about 150mph at its tip will impact local wildlife. If there is low to moderate populations of birds/bats in the area, then the risk is lower. If there's lots, then the is impact higher. If the species are rare or endangered then the IWTs should be sited elsewhere. Period. In Alberta, Suncor (OilSands) was fined $3.2M for killing about 1200 common birds. What about IWTs?
@NorthernWes, in addition to flying animals getting knocked out of the sky, the noise from these monsters surely affects many species, which have hearing more sensitive than Man's. Generations of neurotic animals are probably growing up near these power plants (they are not "farms").
@Antithropocentric I'm not sure the noise would have any real effect on any organisms. The only thing I can think of would be possibly a momentary lack of communication between nocturnal migrant birds, but that would hardly be detrimental or unusual. The sound is just like having a lot of wind noise.
@andysj531, you'd best watch a few documentaries about turbine noise. A good one is "The Voices of Tug Hill" right here on YouTube. Spend some time with it. These people are not imagining things. Effects can be subtle and insidious in rural areas where there's little background noise to mask the annoying turbine droning. Sound doesn't have to be overpoweringly loud to be maddening. Same concept as Chinese water torture.
This kind of thing may be an unfortunate side effect of wind turbines, but frankly I can't imagine it has anywhere near the same kind of impact on the population and thus ecosystem as many other anthropogenic factors. Using this as an anti-turbine arguement is a little like saying we should sink vast sums of money into making level crossings safer because 10 or so people a year get killed by them.
@AzurkaiHandrin We cannot live without roads and level crossings isn't it? But we can without wind turbines. That is the difference. Our country survived well without even one turbine until ten years ago. Why we need them now? To kill the birds? We don't need sky without birds in Bulgaria! And you call this "green" energy?
@Osogovec Your comment completely misses the point I was making. I was not making an arguement for or against wind turbines, but merely pointing out that if you want to complain about the effects of human intrusion on animal habitats there are far more significant factors than turbines. And, no, they are not all essential. But regardless, if you DO want an arguement specifically about wind turbines, there are plenty of more sgnificant factors to consider than the number of birds they kill.
@AzurkaiHandrin You're right that there are many others and more significant factors for death in birds but this is not a reason to add one new factor. I cannot agree that the impact of this factor is negligible compared to the existing other factors at least for areas that are comparatively wild yet.The impact is not limited just to collision of birds, it includes also habitat deterioration and barrier effect.
@Osogovec That's basically what I was saying... envirnomental impacts such as chemical leaching from the concrete base have significant consequences. All I am saying is that I doubt enough birds are killed by wind turbines to have a noticeable effect on the local ecosystem, although I appreciate that removing a single bird of pray from a food web can have localised effects for a relatively short period of time.
This is where Darwinism comes into play. Something stupid that gets itself killed should not be alive and reproducing. So, let's call emergency services, waste tax payers money-time, training, gas, etc. so they can come and snap the vultures neck. Stupid hippies.
@vorpalplus3 Thanks for that wisdom, voralplus3. Should be read at your funeral as a eulogy. Since you're clearly unable to rise above your primitive ape insticts to grasp a concept as simple as compassion, it's very likely you'll eventually do something stupid and need emergency services. A marvelous waste of time, gas, and money, as you've just stated.
humans see wind turbines as good for the environment
birds say eff that- it's a giant fricking bird blender!
Let's face it humans are the equivalent of planetary lice and clearly not from earth because they don't know how to live here without killing everything else in their path
Unfortunate for this bird but if we humans think all birds are alike, we have our head in the sand. Just like all humans are different, being sane, insane, mentally challenged, autistic, or what we call "normal", animals fall in the same classifications, including birds. How do we know if this bird was one of the "normal" ones or mentally unstable.
As a notable talk show host would say, "Don't fly while texting"
It's quite obvious this bird was in lala land while flying.
I work in the industry, birds are very rarely struck by turbine blades. Thorough tests and bird studies are performed for roughly 2 years before a site is granted planning permission to ensure that no flight paths are being obstructed. It's just unfortunate that the vulture decided to pass through the blades numerous times :(
I personally have spent the last 3 years on 10 different windfarms that total more than 750 turbines. In my time working on these sites, I have not seen one dead bird at the base of a tower. If they truely killed that many birds, you'd think I would see at least one...
@32easy Actually, it depends on where the said windfarms are. You know, if you place a windfarm nearby a Natural Reserve or Park or along migratory flyways, the risk of killing birds increases.
pretty sad that millions of people buy in to a lie about wind generated power. these things throw ice sheets in the winter, explode at high speed and are loud. they do nothing in comparison to standard forms of energy and they kill things. great fucking idea greenies
That would look really funny. Like super sized house fans. The man reason it's not done is that it would raise the price of a turbine quite significantly, and reduce the efficiency by a considerable amount.
Or perhaps this is a great way to ensure only intelligent birds live. ;) If it's been spinning there for 20 times, it's going to make another pass, dumb bird!
Angry birds just got angrier
ReptigloRand 2 weeks ago
poor stupid thing
DJCRooK3D 2 weeks ago
owned
2slovak0 2 months ago
Sure that's not a CONDOR??? It's got a white head.
Gamby00 2 months ago
thats too bad. did you finish it off? im surprised the hippies arent all over this video. that is what i call natural selection at its finest. that bird was really stupid. wouldnt want its dna in new generations
wristp1n 2 months ago
Chuck Norris's new steak knife.
puremaplesyrup22 2 months ago
Do A Barrel Roll!
jimhemstreet 3 months ago
I thought wind turbine's were supposed to be eco-friendly? Stupid treehugging bastards. Build more powerplants!
HammerE30 3 months ago
@HammerE30 when the solar flare comes in 2013 and knocks out power to every nuke plant in the world then what u gonna do
aGruntNamedYayap 3 months ago
That's depressing.
TheMrBlinx 3 months ago
So did it get the greedy pig?
Jaket2000 3 months ago
omg thats horrible
wizard101magic2 3 months ago
did it died?
Mikey7889 4 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Well, there's irony for you.
alikaalex 4 months ago
Life lesson learned: Don't fuck around with a wind turbine :P
Coasterintheyard 4 months ago 6
..ssssss....AHHHHH!!!! SSSSS....AHHHH!!!
MrJulianclove 4 months ago
Repeatedly press 3 and you'll see that it's fake. The lateral movement of the bird in relation to the wind turbine is not possible in nature.
JCrashB 4 months ago
That's one dumb bird.
worktosser 4 months ago
Poor birdie! I bet he wasn't expecting that when he woke up that morning.
Tallerico500 5 months ago
Overweight airline vulture had too much carrion luggage aboard.
SenorSpode 5 months ago
the vulture had too much beer :)
JBTKiller3000 5 months ago
See: watch?v=6worwVtV2xM for avian radar
DigiTan000 5 months ago
0:25 ''what a world, what a world ''
pass673 6 months ago
So many idiots in here... Really... Grill covers??? Your a fucking moron just like the others....
Breze84 6 months ago
1. Pause the video at 0:14 and mute the sound
2. Play this video in a new tab /watch?v=G--h5ZfWvug
3. Play this video at 0:14 as soon as the other video starts.
Talentz92 6 months ago 13
@Talentz92 lol
TheFr3sh1 3 months ago
@Talentz92 why?
thejerksniipes 2 months ago
@Talentz92 hahaha funny sound for this is video
thodoris710 1 month ago
attempted suicide?
peashooter101 6 months ago
0:15 MAYDAY MAYDAY MAYDAY
MinDV1RU5 7 months ago
Two words. Natural selection...
jctevere 7 months ago
Wait a minute! The dumb bird can spot a dead squirrel 500 feet in the air but can't see 3, 40 foot long turbine blades spinning at it?
triathl9 7 months ago 3
do you know what kills hundreds of times more "large" avian species? buildings. Do you know what kills tens of times more "large" avian species. Roosting on power lines. So lets get rid of all the building and power lines. I encourage people to read a paper that has been peer reviewed by organizations on both sides. Yes, they do exist.
DePonst 7 months ago
Wonder if his buddies are gonna eat him .....kinda ironic
crooked308 7 months ago
Everyday you hear about some project getting blocked because of possible harm to some animal. But wind turbines kill thousands of birds in the USA every year and we hear nothing from PETA. Go figure. It must be OK to kill animals as long as we do it with what they consider "Clean Energy"
dblgonzo 7 months ago
that hitting sound is priceless
ppers 7 months ago
pwnage
Scitech101 7 months ago
BAHAHAHA!
itascagasman 8 months ago
LMAO stupid environmentalists!
Drill and burn oil!
ryanburbridge 8 months ago
@ryanburbridge Shut up dumbass
johnairlines8 3 months ago
It's called evolution, If the bird is that stupid he will get killed one way or another.
icemaul 8 months ago 3
Crashed and burned...
mysock351W 8 months ago
Hope that turbine is ok.
vertigoesi 8 months ago 14
shame
wrathdelivery 8 months ago
o_O
J88Wolf 8 months ago
Wonder if it taste like chicken. Buzzard sandwich anyone?
tsarrite 8 months ago
yes verry sad, but I have to say, watching this at 2 in the morning makes it damn too funny XD
poor bird tho :(
SpaseCubeLtd 8 months ago
Thats Great !!!!!!!!
george64683 9 months ago
The environmentalist are killing this country! They all need shipped out! freaks!
speedyboi94 9 months ago
Looks like it almost got hit twice. One more time on the way down!
benchaffleck 9 months ago
Interesting, the enviromentalist wackos would not let power lines be put up across the mississippi river because the ducks would fly into the wires. Guess windmill wacking of birds is OK.
driver658658 9 months ago
@driver658658 What are you talking about? The kind of environmentalists you're talking about won't shut up about how turbines kill a few birds and bats.
Foot0fGod 8 months ago
did it die?
marechalrommel 9 months ago
Fake.....It's messed up at the 10 second mark.
tomkat1983 9 months ago
@tomkat1983 fuck off....
sasop117 9 months ago
Vultures get suicidal to u know
MrManny7426 10 months ago
poor thing
nolifemerc 10 months ago
They need to put some kind of noise generator along the leading edge of the blades, so the birds and bats can hear it coming.
CmdrGendoIkari 10 months ago
Lol:
Vulture: Haha guys look at me! Weeeee- *bam*
Vulture: *plop* ........ SSSSS...... ahhhhhhhhh........ HSSSSSS.......... ahhhhhhhhhhhhh *Family Guy reference*
cokefan3 10 months ago
@ people saying it's CG: Who the fuck would put time and effort into making a CGA of a vulture getting hit by a wind mill...seriously.
and @person who called the 'emergency services' for a dead bird: you're a fucking moron.
quinnweller 10 months ago
i cant believe someone asked if the bird was okay... then that comment was replied with "emegency services were called, they took care of it" LOL, where im from that means the cops showed up and shot that ugly ass vulture to put it out of its misery. hahaha.
thequietrebel420 10 months ago
they eat carrion (rotting carcasses)-- now hes carrion!
saslot1 10 months ago
@saslot1 You are what you eat!
Staticclism 10 months ago
when it rose its head it was like "ow, im Okay!, im okay...."
oh god call 911!
mercanaries3 11 months ago
You are right. It does look like CG. The bird disappears as it passes the tower or looks like it goes behind the tower. Which it does not.
Kdog54902 11 months ago
hey guys watch this, yeaaa cool huh arghhh AHHHHH splat......
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HILARIOUS!! lol
ANATURALDREWSASTER 11 months ago
Looks like CG to me, I live near a large turbine farm and unless those are ridiculously small turbines, or it's a giant mutant vulture from Mars... (plus it's unlikely you would hear that collision at that distance in that wind noise. )
ve3pmk 11 months ago
@ve3pmk - Certain camcorders have a "zoom sound" which means wherever the viewfinder is pointed it picks up the sound from that general area, even if it is zoomed in and there is wind noise. Normal turbines are roughly 50-60 meters, there is 5 monster ones going up behind us (thats what Gael Electric call them) and they are 120 meters. Thats the same height as the Dublin Spire and 1.5 times the height of the Crown Plaza hotel which has 13 floors...
1rishShaman 10 months ago
So tell me: Did it survive? =/
FanTazTiCxD 1 year ago
ha ha
raymondmorin 1 year ago
bird : wow I've never seen onwe of these things b4 I wonder what it is SMACK!! mayday AW Fuck! passes out.
Gengstaboy978 1 year ago
This is quite a stunning video - I've never seen that actually happening. It puts the lie to the BS about big turbine blades turning "too slowly" to cause harm.
These turbines cause a lot more harm than just killing birds, also. They ruin any semblance of a natural landscape that used to exist.
Antithropocentric 1 year ago
@Antithropocentric Yeah, because we all know how great it is to suck in the exhaust of a coal power plant. Choose your poison. I'll take this one.
NYC4U 1 year ago
@NYC4U, it's not just a matter of coal or oil vs. wind (or solar). There are too many people on the planet, causing too many tough choices. I'd rather see half the turbine funds put into global birth control to reduce future energy demand. The mindless "supply side" approach to energy is half the problem.
Just giving people "clean" energy is not the sole mission of life on Earth. Aesthetic values must be protected if one wants to use the term "quality of life" with any real meaning.
Antithropocentric 1 year ago
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA That has got to be the funniest thing i've ever seen HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
metallicaxxx420 1 year ago
@metallicaxxx420 dude? you like watching nature get hurt by these metal (or is it alunimum) monster? WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU >:(
90Blakey 1 year ago
@90Blakey Yea. I do. I also like watching car crashes. And fat people getting hurt.
metallicaxxx420 1 year ago
@metallicaxxx420 dude ur sick. when ur in one. does anyone else laugh. or are u the only one.
90Blakey 1 year ago
@90Blakey Aluminium is metal.
Kookas 1 year ago
Environmentally Friendly?........ *facepalm*
Hunkyfish20 1 year ago
Like any man-made hazard, we need to understand how a 500-600ft tower with a propellor the size of a Boeing 737 moving at about 150mph at its tip will impact local wildlife. If there is low to moderate populations of birds/bats in the area, then the risk is lower. If there's lots, then the is impact higher. If the species are rare or endangered then the IWTs should be sited elsewhere. Period. In Alberta, Suncor (OilSands) was fined $3.2M for killing about 1200 common birds. What about IWTs?
NorthernWes 1 year ago
@NorthernWes is this guy for real?
Lmackattack 1 year ago
@Lmackattack Indeed I am. I'm Batman, citizen.
NorthernWes 1 year ago
@NorthernWes, in addition to flying animals getting knocked out of the sky, the noise from these monsters surely affects many species, which have hearing more sensitive than Man's. Generations of neurotic animals are probably growing up near these power plants (they are not "farms").
Antithropocentric 1 year ago
@Antithropocentric I'm not sure the noise would have any real effect on any organisms. The only thing I can think of would be possibly a momentary lack of communication between nocturnal migrant birds, but that would hardly be detrimental or unusual. The sound is just like having a lot of wind noise.
andysj531 1 year ago
@andysj531, you'd best watch a few documentaries about turbine noise. A good one is "The Voices of Tug Hill" right here on YouTube. Spend some time with it. These people are not imagining things. Effects can be subtle and insidious in rural areas where there's little background noise to mask the annoying turbine droning. Sound doesn't have to be overpoweringly loud to be maddening. Same concept as Chinese water torture.
Antithropocentric 1 year ago
Well... Maybe the retarded bird should have noticed a 100ft long blade hurdling towards him!
Fooksalt 1 year ago
So much for green energy
frozenfireify 1 year ago
This kind of thing may be an unfortunate side effect of wind turbines, but frankly I can't imagine it has anywhere near the same kind of impact on the population and thus ecosystem as many other anthropogenic factors. Using this as an anti-turbine arguement is a little like saying we should sink vast sums of money into making level crossings safer because 10 or so people a year get killed by them.
AzurkaiHandrin 1 year ago
@AzurkaiHandrin We cannot live without roads and level crossings isn't it? But we can without wind turbines. That is the difference. Our country survived well without even one turbine until ten years ago. Why we need them now? To kill the birds? We don't need sky without birds in Bulgaria! And you call this "green" energy?
Osogovec 1 year ago
@Osogovec Your comment completely misses the point I was making. I was not making an arguement for or against wind turbines, but merely pointing out that if you want to complain about the effects of human intrusion on animal habitats there are far more significant factors than turbines. And, no, they are not all essential. But regardless, if you DO want an arguement specifically about wind turbines, there are plenty of more sgnificant factors to consider than the number of birds they kill.
AzurkaiHandrin 1 year ago
@AzurkaiHandrin You're right that there are many others and more significant factors for death in birds but this is not a reason to add one new factor. I cannot agree that the impact of this factor is negligible compared to the existing other factors at least for areas that are comparatively wild yet.The impact is not limited just to collision of birds, it includes also habitat deterioration and barrier effect.
Osogovec 1 year ago
@Osogovec That's basically what I was saying... envirnomental impacts such as chemical leaching from the concrete base have significant consequences. All I am saying is that I doubt enough birds are killed by wind turbines to have a noticeable effect on the local ecosystem, although I appreciate that removing a single bird of pray from a food web can have localised effects for a relatively short period of time.
AzurkaiHandrin 1 year ago
This is where Darwinism comes into play. Something stupid that gets itself killed should not be alive and reproducing. So, let's call emergency services, waste tax payers money-time, training, gas, etc. so they can come and snap the vultures neck. Stupid hippies.
vorpalplus3 1 year ago
@vorpalplus3 Thanks for that wisdom, voralplus3. Should be read at your funeral as a eulogy. Since you're clearly unable to rise above your primitive ape insticts to grasp a concept as simple as compassion, it's very likely you'll eventually do something stupid and need emergency services. A marvelous waste of time, gas, and money, as you've just stated.
Mayaan007 1 year ago
humans see wind turbines as good for the environment
birds say eff that- it's a giant fricking bird blender!
Let's face it humans are the equivalent of planetary lice and clearly not from earth because they don't know how to live here without killing everything else in their path
OGSamwise 1 year ago
hahahahaha, that was awsome
Corey497 1 year ago
@Corey497
why?!?!?!
microelsa 1 year ago
did it survive? I dont care much for vultures but damn... still a living thing
XyleJKH 1 year ago
Unfortunate for this bird but if we humans think all birds are alike, we have our head in the sand. Just like all humans are different, being sane, insane, mentally challenged, autistic, or what we call "normal", animals fall in the same classifications, including birds. How do we know if this bird was one of the "normal" ones or mentally unstable.
As a notable talk show host would say, "Don't fly while texting"
It's quite obvious this bird was in lala land while flying.
ssnova101 1 year ago
Nasty experience. Poor bird :( .
In the 20 years that I have been operating wind turbines on my farm, there has not been even one bird strike.
There are 6 high speed turbines here, so you'd think the likelihood is high.
I am glad to report that these birds are pretty smart, and remain at a safe distance when the turbines are in motion :) .
At other times, they perch on top of them.
I am no greenie, just interested in alternative forms of energy generation.
PonyHaven 1 year ago
natural selection
bassochadic 1 year ago
I work in the industry, birds are very rarely struck by turbine blades. Thorough tests and bird studies are performed for roughly 2 years before a site is granted planning permission to ensure that no flight paths are being obstructed. It's just unfortunate that the vulture decided to pass through the blades numerous times :(
Detsawm 1 year ago
What kills birds?
Windows- 100 to 900
House cats- 100 million
Autos- 50 to 100 million
Electric line collisions- 150 million
Agriculture- 65 million
Communication towers- 5 to 10 million
Hunting- 100+ million
I personally have spent the last 3 years on 10 different windfarms that total more than 750 turbines. In my time working on these sites, I have not seen one dead bird at the base of a tower. If they truely killed that many birds, you'd think I would see at least one...
32easy 1 year ago
@32easy Actually, it depends on where the said windfarms are. You know, if you place a windfarm nearby a Natural Reserve or Park or along migratory flyways, the risk of killing birds increases.
Ire0706 1 year ago
This is so sad!
I bet the birds killed by oil die a better death!
Kukenango 1 year ago
@Kukenango yes of course... dieing over weeks is better for the bird then being killed by one strong hit of a blade....
so you also want to starve and not being killed fast if there is no other opportunity then die?
man if i'm going to starve because i can't hunt my food like the oiled birds then i would preffer one of those blades!
(sorry for my english. Austria ftw! ;) )
ThomasW4tl 1 year ago
Sad...
fluweel2 1 year ago
natural selection
OrgasmicOprah 1 year ago
pretty sad. Windmills are ecological but they kill frequently birds.
Jordache22222 2 years ago
pretty sad that millions of people buy in to a lie about wind generated power. these things throw ice sheets in the winter, explode at high speed and are loud. they do nothing in comparison to standard forms of energy and they kill things. great fucking idea greenies
s6u6r6f6 1 year ago
Did someone check on the bird or take it to an animal hospital?
Kristy2078 2 years ago 3
Yes. Emergency services where called. They took care of it.
TheTurbinator 2 years ago 21
Great :)
Kristy2078 2 years ago
@TheTurbinator did the vulture survived?
90Blakey 1 year ago
@TheTurbinator, "took care of it" meaning what exactly? That didn't look very survivable.
Antithropocentric 1 year ago
@TheTurbinator lol, called an EMS for a stupid bird...
d0gm34t 11 months ago
@Kristy2078 Who the hell cares?! It's a vulture! They're so vile that other vultures won't eat other vultures!
mekque 11 months ago
poor bird..... perhaps wind turbines need grill cover like the ones on desktop fans.
sv2115 2 years ago 11
That would look really funny. Like super sized house fans. The man reason it's not done is that it would raise the price of a turbine quite significantly, and reduce the efficiency by a considerable amount.
TheTurbinator 2 years ago 6
LOL, u r right, that would look really funny. do u know if the bird made it???
sv2115 2 years ago
@TheTurbinator not to mention the extra weight on the tower
snowyphil65 10 months ago
Or perhaps this is a great way to ensure only intelligent birds live. ;) If it's been spinning there for 20 times, it's going to make another pass, dumb bird!
Athaeus 2 years ago
@sv2115 yes.... lets make them even more impractical
XyleJKH 1 year ago
@sv2115 LOL!!! I could imagine what these things would look like with giant grilles... probably like giant desk or pedestal fans!!!
whoisthisguy724 1 year ago
are you serious?
triathl9 7 months ago
don't see that very often!
YLayArm 2 years ago 3