Morse v. Frederick Supreme Court arguments

[JerFish12]

EWWW not the ACLU, they want to force gay leaders into a CHRISTIAN private organization where kids on field trips.

ACLU isnt the smartest thing, im not a fan of them. Although yea this kids rights were infrigned.

[MrSour07]

wat white people with money can do lol only they would hire expensive ass lawyers just to make a point

i commend you.

[thisishowwegrow]

@MrSour07 The ACLU takes cases such as this pro bono i.e. for free so no he's not a rich white person trying to make a point. I further more think your comment is racist but like this white kid and his attorney i support your right to make such comments.

[MsBrownImABigDeal]

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[GodOfPlague]

Unfortunately unlike Tinker the speech here was not political or religious, but within the opinion of the court at best ridiculous and at worst promotes illegal drug use which is against school and public policy.

[88tuner]

Free speech is limited only by sedition, slander, deception and revealing troop movements. That's it. Oh yeah, one more. If you are a US citizen, deemed a terrorist, denied a trial and targeted by the CIA for extermination. Nearly forgot that one.

[Ringollo]

Justice Breyer's opinion would have been the best decision on this case!

[davedavedavecowan]

check out my song bong hits for jesus

[drwalepen15]

I have the right to visit the bronx in LA or any where, with a sign that says "I HATE (race goes here)". Its the country as a whole that needs to start policing them selves. All we are doing is just junking up our constitution and pissing people off. No wonder why we are really worried about being nuked right now.

[JesusHChristofLDS]

The citizens of the U.S. already police themselves through the use of free speech. What we do not want is Government Speech Police. No non-governmental entity is responsible for the threat of possible nuclear attack. This threat is directly linked to foreign policy. Do you want a foreign military base built in your holyland of Idaho? :) The Patriot Act and absolute abuse of power is "junking up" the U.S. Constitution, not a citizen exercising her or his rights. Amusing Sign.

[drwalepen15]

I know. We need to find a way to abolish the Patriot Act and get our rights and dignity back. Frankly I can totally understand why other countries are finding a dislike to Americans.

[drwalepen15]

A student at our school (LCSC in ID) decided to talk about how he would execute his own Virginia Tech. NO NO NO! He was really surprised when we had him arrested and put him in a mental hospital. He was released following a mental eval., but our Dean Thomas Banned him from campus grounds forever. That how we handle that speech BS in Idaho.

[samatention]

drealepen 15 ;;; No that is how threats are handled most places. That was a sample of illegal free speech. There is a difference between legal and illegal free speech.

[drwalepen15]

Go suck on some nuts. Illegal free speech. That term alone is retarded. I have a bong hits for jesus shirt I wear to town. It's my right to wear that.

free speech.

[RedRing]

As much as I'd love for this kid to lose this case He legally shouldn't He wasn't @ school that day and wasn't on school grounds as well as it being after they released class therefore not subject to their rules However I don't feel he should win based on free speech People shouldn't be able to just say WHATEVER they want, and even though he just wanted to get on tv. It still promotes drug use If he wins, students will be able to say whatever theywant and teachers will be 2 afraid 2 punish them

[thequietkid10]

Last I checked Free Speech does not give you the right to say what ever you want.  "Bong Hits For Jesus" what the **** is he trying to do here other then to tick people off.

[ismokereefer]

if free speech doesnt give you that, what does it give you?

[thequietkid10]

uh let's see.....the right to criticize your government.....the right to petition the government.....the right to defend your way of life...(IMO this had NOTHING to do with that)....the right to speak publically to convince people to see things your way....

[ismokereefer]

so....you think people shouldnt be aloud to say what they want? i mean, WHATEVER they want? i mean, why not?

if i drive up to next to a cop car blaring Fuck The Police, isnt that gunna make the cops mad? yeah, but i have the right to do it.

[energyavenged]

Yeah, but who'd dare to do that?

[420HashSmoker]

@thequietkid10 Actually the term 'free speed' DOES entitle a person to say whatever they want. However if one were to say something that others find offensive, then that individual runs the risk of possibly having to deal with a confrontation.

[DeadEndJustice13]

@thequietkid10 well then again, people say alot worse things that tick people off and get away with it. So someone getting suspended for 10 days and take to the supreme over "BONG HITS FOR JESUS" is just ridiculous, IMO!

[MrSour07]

@thequietkid10 last i checked we can say whatever we want its one of the only rights we have left.

[kryptologos]

SPlatter2b, You call me bigoted and close minded. A religious zealot. This kid could have held a sign that read stay in school or something decent. I don't get how society applauds a high schooler for promoting pot. Society has become demented. What if that was your teenager. Would you say, "Right on my boy." I doubt it.

[wiskawind]

Heck, write Bush a letter; I am sure he wouldn't mind taking your first amendment rights away from you. This kid wants to keep his, and so do I. (smile)

[zstarkie]

The subject under scrutiny here is being misread.This case does have concern dealing with the first amendmentand freedom of expression, but this s not the main issue, forthis would beunconstitutional and the students would winWhatis being examined is how far the jurisdiction of a schoolgoes. If astudent goes against school codes he/she issubject to punishment So, because the student was off campus,but onlymarginally, does theschool stillhave jurisdiction over his actionsis whatis being examined

[zstarkie]

The subject under scrutiny here is being misread.This case does have concern dealing with the first amendmentand freedom of expression, but this s not the main issue, forthis would beunconstitutional and the students would winWhatis being examined is how far the jurisdiction of a schoolgoes. If astudent goes against school codes he/she issubject to punishment So, because the student was off campus,but onlymarginally, does theschool stillhave jurisdiction over his actionsis whatis being examined

[honestabe23]

You would be jailed, and legally so, for suggesting that you are going to commit an illegal act. The phrases 'Bong Hits 4 Jesus' and 'Kill people for Christ' do not compare to one another. Nothing illegal was being advocated by Fredrick. You, and not the ACLU, are a joke for not knowing your own First Amendment.

[kryptologos]

Does someone have the right to hold a sign that says, "Rape A Woman or Molest a child." Smoking pot maynot be as drastic but it is illegal, it is a crime, and this kid was promoting a crime. The message to smoke pot to High Schoolers is just as dangerous as bringing a Budweiser Sign to AA. That which causes someone danger is no longer a right. This guy is not protected. Watch and see.

[cavaderblood]

you have to do a little research first. He is completely legal as long as it doesn't disrupt the school and its ways. It didn't affect it at all, so he is completely protected.

[meb025]

"Fear of corrupting the mind of the younger generation is the loftiest form of cowardice."

-- Holbrook Jackson

Because the main argument seems to be that since he was across from the school he got in trouble. Man, kids are the most corrput people, we go to school to un-corrupt/mature them, hahah

[kryptologos]

The ACLU attorneys are a joke. These are the same guys who are defending terrorist because they have the right to say, "Let's kill americans." This Joe guy should be arrested for promoting a crime. He is telling people to smoke pot.  Forget about the student stuff, or school stuff, think about the crime aspect of it. If I held a banner that said, "KILL .... people for Christ." I would deserve to be jailed. This guy is a joke and ACLU is a joke.

[LiberalViewer]

kryptologos,

Actually the First Amendment DOES protect your right to advocate an illegal act "except where such advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action." See Brandenburg v Ohio

This current case does not even clearly involve the advocacy of illegal action. The case is more about whether full free speech rights apply to non-disruptive student speech off school grounds at a school sanctioned activity

[meb025]

You wouldnt be the first one to say "kill people for Christ" And killing people and smoking pot is like comparing apples to oranges, dont you think? Its more like saying "Steal stuff and give it to the poor for Christ" or "Dont go to work and expect to be paid."

[justinspazz]

You clearly do not know Joe Frederick at all, or you would not be saying he should be jailed. He is not telling people to smoke pot, he made the banner so that he could get on TV. Next time before you say someone should go to jail. Get your facts right.

[kryptologos]

Joe Fredrick should choose to have a Bong Hit In Someone elses name. He is receiving his punishment. What a loser and cry for help. People like that deserve what they get.

[Kos115]

nice

[LiberalViewer]

Excellent compilation of viewpoints!

I'm giving this video 5 stars and adding it to my favorites!

Thx 4 uploading it :-)