are you sure it wasn't a learner? and yes learners make mistakes but if it was the driving instructor him self, where the hell was the MMS? if he had done that properly he would of known you were there... but if it was a learner could be new...
I hate cyclists. No excuse for this behaviour though. AA driving instructors are some of the most dangerous drivers on our roads. If I see one I pull over to let them past, then keep a safe distance ( about 250 miles) and wait for them do to something stupid,
What a Pro, I wonder what his students are like. Then again its the Automobile Association Instructor what do you expect, he was just trying to teach you a lesson.
Don't slag off the AA because you've had a bad experience with an AA instructor... it is not their company policy to employ bad ones. ANY instructor can be bad, and believe me, there are plenty of dodgy ones out there. Unfortunately, finding a good one can be trial and error.
Im a driver who chooses to cycle to work but i always use the paths..in areas ike this one there are plenty of cycle lanes. I'll never understand why cyclist want to use the road..As a driver they annoy me and as a cyclist they annoy me...1) Why put yourself in danger. 2) you know your pissin everyone off who crnt overtake you. 3) why not use the path? its just as quick and safer. I think if cyclist want to use the road they should have to take a test like everyone else!
@EnglishHighsociety I drive as well. I have always found cycling facilities to be poorly designed, badly maintained, usually have cars parked in them and are much slower than using the road. See my other videos to compare road and track. I’ve never found it difficult to overtake a cyclist safely when driving – if someone can’t overtake a bike in a car I would seriously question their ability to drive. Taking a test doesn’t exactly guarantee decent driving does it? - especially if he's teacher!
@TCTC68 Well round here the cyclist paths are all good, i'm not saying its hard to overtake them but in some cases ou just carrnt overtake one! Also iv seen alot of cyclist on roundabouts not using arm signals not payin attention or weaving in an ou of traffic, im not branding ll cyclist idiots as i said im one myself i just dont see why they insist on weaving in n out of traffic when in most cases theres paths each side of them. A basic test would help, teach them more awarness and respect.
@TCTC68 i have to agree, my route to work in east london has cycle paths, but they're aweful to cycle on, they're a lot more bumpy and more likely to have potholes than roads, they also have loose bits of grit and gravel on.
When it was snowing last year the cycle paths turned to ice and i had no choice but to get on the road, very dangerous, something i will not repeat and either get leave from work, or work from home
Besides which, cycle paths are often more dangerous than using the road - because of junction conflicts, they are almost always much slower, made to a poor standard, and generally useless. No wonder so many of us ride on the roads. The roads go where we want to go, and they are the public highway after all, for all of us to use.
@EnglishHighsociety Where I live there is a £30 fine if you're caught cycling on the path (obviously unless it's a cycle path) which is frustrating because as a cyclist I am terrified of cycling on busy roads with angry drivers trying to overtake, and as a learner driver I loathe the thought of having to deal with a cyclist on my driving test (or at any time at all).
@EnglishHighsociety YES i hae always said this. they are a pain. they dont pay insurance. what would happen if they crashed in to my car? they dont pay road tax either.
@jakedanx Nobody pays road tax sunbeam, because Churchill abolished it in the 1930s to stop the few most stupid motorists from trying to claim they own the public highway. Everyone pays towards roads, even those who don't own cars, since neither income tax nor council tax are hypothecated. Oh, you mean VED? That's an emissions tax, based on the pollution each vehicle causes. How much pollution does a bicycle cause and how much does your car?
@jakedanx Next point, insurance. I'm insured, as are many cyclists. Not all, sure, but then cyclists cause very little property damage and almost no death and injury at all to other people. That's quite unlike motor vehicles, where drivers cause 2,500 deaths and hundreds of thousands of injuries per year in the UK.
In the subset of collisions between bicycles and motor vehicles, somewhere between 80-90% are the fault of the driver. Cyclists have great motivation to avoid them. It hurts.
@EnglishHighsociety i would second that, the trouble is with cyclists is that they think every one must give them priority and the road revolves around them, fair one you can be fined £500 for riding on the pavement but a police officer will never do that since it is safer to ride on the pavement, what is dangerous is trying to overtake me a 20 year old 3 years driving experience (i drive with ease and saftey) at a junction? i will not put my self in danger by skidding i will just mow you down
@1234Punkdrummer So your a shit driver then who has three years of reinforcing your bad habits and poor driving technique. If you have no respect for other road users and cannot control your car then you should not be driving at all. You have also shown you stupidity by admitting on a public forum that your incapable of handling the car you own on a public highway. No wonder insurance is sky high for young drivers with people like you on the roads.
i would just like to add that my car (dodge charger 2011 model) is not designed for the english roads, it is not designed for turning, or sudden braking (no i am not willing to change cars) if i can inform any cyclist here today that if you like most of you try doing sharp turns at junctions being stupid and not using the pavement or crossroads it will get you no where, just under the wheels of my 2 ton car
@1234Punkdrummer You'd best be driving carefully then, because that sort of p1ss poor driving attitude and poor driving ability will put you in jail. Many cyclists run multiple cameras because of the minority of bad drivers like yourself.
Either that, or you're just an internet trouser mouth.
@Cunobelin thats thank you for the condescending yet unintelligent comment, marketing is statistics and does not represent the individual, i am confident i will have you know i passed my test in two months. I do not intimidate other drivers i behave in a motor as i do on the footpath calm and composed, i bought a dodge charge because i have a passion for american automotive engineering, my point was cyclists should not be on the road use the foot path its safer
You really have no clue.... marketing is about looking at a group of people who you can analyse and then sell something to by appealing to their needs, or desires. It is about recognising those failings
I think the fact that you feel you need to boast about the size of your vehicle says more than I can about your confidence and maturity.
.. and that's before we address your apparent need to remove cyclists because you are unable to cope
@1234Punkdrummer One thing is for sure im alot more intelligent that you, all the things i say are true. not that i have to justify anything to you i dont lie:) i really do feel sorry for you cyclists because the only thing that is inflated it is not my car it is your complex on the road:) for every ignorant comment you make because thats what you do rude and you change concepts to fit your ideas:) your an idiot and id love to drive past you one day and car door you:) end of^^
@Cunobelin Now since were making correlations between internal characteristics and size Dr freud lets talk about a person lacking prose weak in analysis uneducated yet is still has the audacity to try and be smart and condescending on a youtube channel it does not suit you my friend
@Cunobelin Why would I, pointless.. All i intend to do is .. qoute have a good rant.. because you know what we as drivers spend a wedge driving lessons.. driving test.. theory read the theory and then i want to emphasise i spend all that on a nice big car:) nothing to do with size its just nice.. so at least cyclists can do is read the high way code and be safe.. it is curtisey, and that sit down trike thing on your channel exactly my point .. wtf??? should be illegal
@Cunobelin I am more than capable of reading the highway code.. after all i passed my driving test.. and whats wrong with a spelling mistake, why do people on with nothing intelligent to say such as your self always go for the grammar.. maybe because your really stupid and you memorise the dictionary to seem intellectual to your peers? Hmm as for me im sure i have made thousands of spelling mistakes after doing many years in education, which clearly you have not it is most likely:)
@1234Punkdrummer When you start to insult people in the response that you post you have lost the argument. You knuckle dragging half wit. Have a nice day.
@1234Punkdrummer So Punkdrummer, to continue, It’s cyclists that are the problem? What we should all do is drive cars that we lack the ability to control, and then, in full knowledge of our inadequacies we should go on a public website and admit we are incompetent behind the wheel BUT go on to admit that we are still prepared to kill and maim others because, after all, it is those cyclists and other idiots out there that think the road revolves around them. Well said.
@1234Punkdrummer – thanks for your insight and the benefit of your wisdom on the matter… there was me thinking that roads were for everyone to share and that with one’s “right” to drive or cycle on the road came the “responsibility” of following the rules and even having regard for the safety of fellow humans but I was wrong all along.
@EnglishHighsociety in England cycling on the pavement is illegal. i dont mind cyclists on the road as long as they abide by the rules like everyone else. simple things like riding in single file, correct junction and traffic light usage seems to go out the window with most cyclists. i saw a cyclist pull out of a giveway without even looking i pretty much ran him down, less than a week later (same time same place) i saw him do it again this time he went straight up over the bonnet of a cop car.
@EnglishHighsociety i totally agree... they are such a pain in the hed when im following one.... i hope i dont get stuck behind one on ma test :@ !!!!
@TheDLP2605 I just dont understand them at all, i see one almost everyday in full spandex helmet an a carbon fibre pro racing bike.. he goes along at silly speeds, round islands an thru junctions an even traffic lights.If he hits my car i have to pay damages because he pays no insurance.. I bike to work an use all paths i get there pretty quick an am at no risk to anyone on the path yet this guy must of spent a fortune on his gear an bike. They should have to take a test or adleast be insured!
@zdrumT A metre would be the least I'd want to see left for cyclists. Some sort of EU rule calls for 1.5m (not that I'm a fan of the EU) and the highway code (rule 163) says a car's width. Have a look for the rule on google and you'll find a photograph illustrating it.
That said - if 1m was all I ever got but noone ever passed closer than that I'd be a VERY happy little boy. :P
The Learner in the AA car would of failed if "he/she" did that on their test as they could of cut you off, yer suppose to overtake after the junction and when the road is clear to overtake a doors width.....
@PenguinrulesUK Just saw your post today and would like to correct one point on the otherwise spot-on remarks you made.
You're meant to overtake leaving the cyclist as if they were a car... that is, leave them a car's width of space, not just a door. Have a look at the illustration of Highway Code rule 163 for a photograph showing the proper space.
Lets just forget this bike vs car rubbish, that is a stupid and petty argument. This was a dangerous manouvre, wether you're in a car, motorbike or cyclist. And I like how this is on here, maybe we should all start doing this. I'd have 4 or 5 new video clips every week.
@TCTC68 My comment is only pointless to you. I am an avid biker. The drivers in the US are worse and Dutch ride more bikes. Neither whines half as much as the Brits, as much as I adore them.
@TCTC68 Comment isn't really pointless though, does make a point, I've never seen any foreign bikers complaining, only here.. One overtake which didn't cause you harm ain't worthy for anything, try searching indian intersection driving, that'll show you worthy biking..
Depends how you define harm – following your logic, it would be ok for me to fire a gun towards you and as long as the bullet missed, there would be no harm…
@TCTC68 Ah yeah good comparison, cuz saink that can kill you easily, or getting knocked or swept aside on your bike a bit? Dont even go about, oh it can kill you too blah blah, cuz lets be honest a shite overtake at 15 whilst ur goin bout 5 with a low curb to ride up..
@ATBparkour Well, the fact is that a large number of cyclists are killed or seriously injured at junctions just like this one, by motorists simultaneously overtaking and turning left just like this one. This car is driven by a man who’s responsible for training the next generation of motorists. He sets a very poor example. You can easily be killed by a slow moving vehicle.
sorry mate but yout not going fast enough thats why u got overtaken your too hesitant but still doesn't make it right for someone to overtake you on a bend like that lol all i can say where did they pass their test? no offence to you by the way
What I would say is that, because of the nature of the lens on the camera, things can appear further away, or to move slower, than they are. No, I wasnt going that fast, but I was just getting going, and the car was a lot closer to the bike than it appears to be in the film
@TCTC68 yh tru shame on him/her i think that instructor badge should be taken of them, makes me sick to think they are teaching pupils to drive like that
So, you live up north, cant sing, or play guitar well, listen to James Blunt and read Dan Brown novels, and in your spare time you go round youtube calling people twats? And you think I have no life? lol
Im on a bicycle, not a car, and I have a handle bar cam that is constantly recording every time I ride since I was attacked by a van driver a few years ago.
I was going straight ahead, but had to brake and swerve to the left to avoid getting side swiped by Mr AA Instructor. I carried on, following the car, because I wanted to see who was driving.
I assume it was the instructor (only one person in the car) and he pulled over a few hundred yards up the road, presumably to pick up his lesson.
Venerable, yes, but dont see how it follows that they should be banned. I drive a lot as well and in my experience, yes, there are lots of ignorant stupid and selfish cyclists out there, but they are matched pretty much by a fair proportion of likewise idiots in cars, and statistically, the death destruction and carnage that happens out there isnt caused by the cyclists.
Test? Possibly, but doesnt guarantee good driving. Think its more to do with how people behave. Im willing to bet the cyclist you so despise are pretty poor drivers as well.
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Its a question i can't answer.
Wot i would say is that cyclists don't pay attention to road markings(you do though), skip lights, undertake, dont signal,weave through impossible spaces etc.
Possibly my biggest hate as a professional driver is the daft cycle boxes on approach to lights.
I also see lots of cyclists that don't pay attention to road markings, skip lights, undertake, dont signal, weave through impossible spaces etc. But unfortunately the same can be said of many motorists, and you can add to that list driving while on the phone/eating dinner, inappropriate speed, no insurance, mot, licence, driving on drugs or while drunk etc. People moan a lot about idiot cyclists but seem blind to the ones that actually cause the vast majority of death and destruction.
RE The boxes at lights. My understanding is that Advance Stop Lines are there to help avoid problems like the one in this video. A lot of the time it is safer for cyclists at junctions to be a head of the traffic queue and visible. They are really useful if you are turning right. They dont bother me when driving at all. Unfortunately here in London its pretty rare to find one that doesnt have a bus or car blocking it!
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the main reason of advanced stop lines in to slow up all traffic. its a traffic calming measure. If we all have to overtake the fanny who can't afford a car for the 15th time we will ll be travelling slower.
Funny thing to post Ive never had a cyclist slow my journey down when Im in a car; if the traffic is busy then there is little point overtaking as they inevitably whiz past at the next jam, and if traffic is light, then overtaking is easy. Also, as a group, on average, cyclists tend to be higher earners and better educated then the norm, so I doubt most people cycle because they can't afford a car...
Haddington, see my post above.. but as for "afford a car", you're having a laugh, mate. I could afford a bloody nice car, waste of time buying it though - no where to park the thing here, plus driving to work would mean sitting in traffic for 40 mins, or a 20 min cycle ride which is a no brainer and keeps me fit.
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Honest answer please. How can we change the standards of cyclists? I work with white van man, taxis, 18 year olds, bus drivers, oaps etc.
As you are only so aware the standard of cycling is REALLY REALLY dangerous. I tread on egg shells everyday as they UNDERTAKE, skip lights(DANGEROUS ENOUGH IN A CAR,NEVER MIND A BIKE!!!!) TAILGATE(with poor brakes) and try and fit through crazy spaces.
You might be a good cyclist, but as a group you are the most dangerous road users by a mile
I think different cities have different examples of cycling behaviour so it depends on where & what is happening.
I would personally like to see anyone who does something naughty on a bike pulled by a cop, details taken and a telling off, then send them on Bikeability at their own cost if its serious (or fine if they refuse)
Repeat offenders I would say take theirbike off them by bringing in new Police powers.
Undertaking is legal btw. HC has provision for it if its safe & effective.
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so why not just ban bikes from the road?
speed bumps where introducted at a massive cost(dont have figures) and have saved lifes.
Why not ban bikes from roads?
If i wasn't a good driver(i have passed advanced tests) i would have killed 3 cyclists which i have had to e/stop for when driving through a green light.
Can you tell me more about the laws on undertaking on a bike. Educate me as im not sure. Thanks in advance,
If you ban them you lose the impetus and ease at which to help control health standards in the UK. Moderate exercise and fresh air is good for mental health too
Rule 72 covers the undertaking (motorcyclists too), also cyclelanes put many in this position too. As we so often know many lanes just stop.
Pop quiz - how many people are killed by motor vehicle drivers and by cyclists each year on average? The two possible answers are 3,000 and 1 or less. Who are the dangerous road users?
Despite your incorrect beliefs, it turns out that in the subset of crashes between cyclists and motorists, the drivers are to blame in 80-90% of collisions. Oops!
The 80% comes from a study by the RAC, so must be biased towards motorists. It's fairly googleable, IIRC. Oops, another own goal. The 90% comes from a Leftpondian study.
LOL, yeah right. Cyclists are hugely over represented by high earning males. The chances are that many of the cyclists out there are earning rather more than you are. They're on bikes because bikes are often better than cars for many journeys, bikes are more fun, and free fitness.
Funnily enough the "traffic calming" doesn't slow the traffic down. I remember reading a piece of research that showed how traffic flowed better and had a better average speed when there were lots of cyclists.
The better average speed happens because it brakes the aggressive accellerate and brake cycle that many impatient drivers use, especially those that fail to plan ahead.
I experienced a good overtake from an instructor/student driver today, I was slightly flabbergasted.
All i can say is that i slow right down when there are cyclists about. When i approach a green light and see a cyclist left or right i cover the brake because its almost certain theywill skip the lights. When im driving in heavy traffic i know i need to check my clearance to the left because i will be undertaken by some loon.
oh and traffic calming does slow down traffic. dont care which article you read.
That would probably make you a better than average driving instructor, but I'm a little sceptical given the obvious prejudice shown here in your posts.
You're right that cyclists reduce top speeds of car drivers, but they cause the average speed to rise simply because of the better flow of traffic.
Then again, maybe you want all those cyclists to be in cars in the queue ahead of you. That'll make for gridlock here in London and slow you down. That's right, most cyclists also own cars.
IVe no idea how you studied the driving behaviour of driving instructors. All ican say is that we have to pass a very hard driving test in the qualifying test. A test that i would guess 99/100 folk wouls fail without training.
Your 2nd point makes no sense. I cant understand how bikes slow down the traffic but increase the average speed of cars?
Sure put them in cars. Better late in this world then early in the next.
As for london i couldn't care less about this toilet of a city.
That's because like most car drivers you probably don't plan ahead very much, and confuse top speed between traffic lights with making progress. Racing up to the lights and waiting longer in a queue rather than progressing at a steady pace and not having to waste time in a queue waiting for others to get going.
In most big cities, bicycles are faster than cars. It's the cars slowing down bicycles. Outside of this, bicycles still help cars to make better progress.
Whatever you as a group of instructors are teaching, it isn't working, and it isn't sticking. Car drivers are far worse than cyclists. Speeding, driving on the phone, going through red lights, driving in bus lanes, overtaking inappropriately, driving impatiently, etc.
OTOH there certainly are bad cyclists out there too. The difference is that they don't kill or injure other people because they're not mis-controlling a tonne and a half of metal.
The standards of driving in this country is actually very good. Can you give me 10 countries which you have visited which you think the driving standards are higher???
You will are a cyclist experiance plenty of bad driving from car drivers.
I'm a driver too. Let's just look at the death rates - caused by drivers, 3,000 a year. Caused by cyclists, 1 a year.
Drivers are very likely to jump red lights too, and in London TFL found that 84% of cyclists wait on green. You're simply a biased driver showing bigoted behaviour towards cyclists.
You don't like the facts much, do you? A different study, so perhaps not very comparable, found that 1 in 10 drivers and 1 in 5 bus drivers go through red lights in London. That was measured after waiting 3 seconds after the lights changed to red, so the percentage of real red light jumpers is likely higher. Also, when a car does stop for the lights, it's wide enough to stop all the other cars behind it from jumping lights. Experience makes it clear that some of them would if they could.
Oooh, nasty piece of homophobia there. So you're not just a bigot driver against cyclists?
A tosser is a tosser no matter what form of transport they are using. I'm betting you'd be just as bad a cyclist as the driver you clearly are from the very poor attitudes shown in your posts.
One of the biggest complaints by cyclists is how we're always having to plan ahead on behalf of the other road users around us because they (the drivers) aren't bothering. Stuff like dissuading overtakes at unsafe locations, and then making it easy for them to pass when it finally is safe.
remember that we put through drivers too pass a test. 40/50 hours to teach folk how to control a car and MOSTLY roadsense and priorities. Remember most of it wont stick and they make mistakes. I passed at 17,i think i was a good driver at 25 and an exceptional driver at 28 after doing all many advanced tests.
That proves you're not a good driver or instructor in my books. The good drivers and cycliss are exceptionally aware of their limitations and faults, and you're clearly not. Taken with the utter tosh you're posting on this video, you must be well below average.
As for why it's faster to drive when there are cyclists around, the reasons are very simple. Last chance for the hard of thinking:
Think about the difference between average and top speed on a common urban journey. Add some cyclists in there, and your top speed is often limited. Your average speed isn't affected by this, because the 20 seconds that a driver spends waiting behind a cyclist on average is simply gained back by having to wait at the queue further ahead for 20 less seconds.
Now factor in more cyclists, and you find that the queues at junctions and traffic lights don't bunch up as close, and more often end up simply flowing through. Now you get an increase in average driving speed thanks to the cyclists.
There's a second factor - more cyclists equals less drivers in cars. You should be clapping your hands in glee every time you see a cyclist - they mean less traffic for you to get stuck in and more time for you to earn money.
Cycle paths - they increase the actual danger for cyclists, whilst reducing the perception of that danger. They are not a good solution, and it's why you'll find many experienced cyclists will stick to using the roads.
Your cycle path comment shows your real thoughts - "get off "my" roads cyclists", forgetting that everyone pays for the roads.
As for cycling = danger, the answer is not really. Here in the UK it's about as safe as walking. The biggest danger to both are car drivers - mostly to blame with cyclists, and often killing or seriously injuring pedestrians on the pavements. You driving instructors have a lot to answer for.
Haddington, the cycle boxes (ASLs) are designed to get cyclists away from the side of larger vehicles and up front so they are seen. Its about visibility.
Before the many of them were installed there was a lot of hooking collisions where drivers would overtake near the lights and leave the cyclist at the kerb surrounded. Even small cars had ended up hitting the cyclist as many drivers dont check their left side before turning.
LOL "ban the vulnerable"? What else would you ban, women from city incase they are raped.Trees incase the catch fire, LOL
Every study and statistic (take the Police ones for example) has shown cyclists to be on the majority law abiding. As for test, I did my proficiency, that was deemed good enough in the day do see why its different now.
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No i wouldn't ban women incase the get raped, or tree's incase they catch fire. Bit of a strange comment.
Cyclist ARE really vulnerable when weaving their way through the city. This is a FACT. I remember reading the number of cyclists killed in Edinburgh in the last 10 years. I thought it would have been 0 maybe 1 or 2, but there were loads. And the levels of accidents.
As a person who tries really hard to preserve the standards, i found this alarming.
Strange? Like banning cyclists, which would never work.
I think the issue here is the autopilot mode people go into. Its sadly often never challenged until too late (and I do count all in this not just drivers). When I was a kid you'd see a cop pull someone for doing something naughty, have a word and lesson learned. Now theres no Police and no stern word.
I also think you can filter safely with the right advice. What often looks like weaving to some is just safe filtering.
Peds are just as vunerable, and more peds get killed by motorists than cyclists get killed.
Yet we don't ban them from city centres...
If something is killing the rest... isn't it the problem of that?
There are more bad drivers out there than bad cyclists, it's not sustainable to increase car usage (this isn't a fuel/environmental issue), its capacity.
If anything, we need parking on the edge of city centres and making them ped only.
This was a bad overtake, agreed. However, Instructors are only human too and WILL make mistakes as well as the General Public (of whom some are so pious and know-it-alls that they almost cause crashes involving learners!) Until one goes further with driving post 'L' test (such as Advanced driving) accept other people's mistakes and don't get so hung up over it!!!!!
Im not that hung up about it and accept that people make mistakes.BUT as a person whose job it is to train other drivers how to drive safely, that was a very dangerous manoeuvre; overtaking cyclists whilst turning left is one of the biggest causes of death and serious injury to people on bikes in London.
The video is up here for educational purposes; ie to remind people NOT to overtake cyclists at junctions
Not disagreeing with you and I've been a cyclist in the past and am also a motorcyclist so I know what you are saying. Educational purposes-brilliant-could not agree more: However that isn't how it appears to have come across!!!
Well let me put it this way: If you read some of the comments of others (to whom my original comment was directed at) it does not help the majority of Instructors and Trainers who are careful and try to give the industry a better reputation!! Also if you have video footage of, for example, cab, lorry and van drivers (who are also supposed to be professional drivers) it could give a more equal view
So much for the Theory test question that goes "You notice a cyclist in front of you and you intend to turn left . . . . "
The correct answer to which is of course "Wait behind the cyclist"
As an ADI and fleet registered driver trainer my view is that if it was a learner driving then the instructor sure wasn't in control of the lesson and if it was an instructor driving he should be shot.
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i think this looks a bit silly when you said you kept that space clear am driver so i always see all bike riders squize there asses between the cars to get through i dont think they keep that space clear believe me
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WOT THE HELL?! gd thing my dad switched over to bsm drivin instructor dnt wana see him doin this LOL bt omg ugly car the new FIAT (N) butt ugly :( and i dnt like the AA ford the dash board is mega big and long cant see much (N) they shud use smaller cars. hence 2 doors
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What the hell are you doing filming this in the first place? Sure looks like you're holding you mobile phone. Almost like you wanted this to happen?? I'd like to know what the AA car was doing behind you with position/signal etc, cause how you stopped before the keep clear sign you may have given the impression you are parked? Having said all that the AA driver has screwed up. JUst remember there are 2 sides to every story and your 'show' doesn't give the whole story
Parked? Im on a bicycle stopped before the keep clear sign because it says, well, keep clear?Not that ambiguous.
Im not holding a mobile. I'm using a ATC3K Oregon Scientific camera which is about the same size as a bike light. And like a bike light, it is mounted on the handle bars of my bike, switched on before I start my ride and switched off once I stop. Its totally hands free and legal. I nearly always use one after being attacked by a van driver who purposely drove his van into me.
I accept that whether he was driving recklessly or riskily its not good but theres a difference if you want to take action against him. Did you complain? What was the response?
The AA don't empoy driving instructors. There is not alot they can do. There is also the chance that the car is being driven without the supervision of the instructor. It could be a mechanic, candidate on test, the wife/husband.
Obviously not a good advert for the AA though.
L plates are warning signs, learers are always unpredictable. Thats why other road users should treat with extreme caution.
Ok I wasnt accusing you of lying just that theres not enough evidence here to prove anything unless you can prove you were going straight on. If you were then the AA guy was reckless but without total proof the AA guy could say you were signalling left and because the initial exit road is wide enough for two vehicles he took advantage to go around you. There are no lane markings on the approach so he wasnt legally in the wrong lane either. In this example his driving was just risky.
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mmmmmm why is there music over the top of this video? If you can prove that you weren't signalling left then you have a case. Not everything we see here could be truthful. To me there appears to be time after the AA car goes past for you to still continue ahead. The video does not prove at all you were intending to go straight on. Indeed to me it looks like you were intending a left turn. You cant put something forward as evidence when there might be another story here....
The music is there because the audio from the ActionCam is just a terrible rumble, and I because I like JJ Cale.
I cannot prove that I wasnt signalling left! but I wasnt. Look at my road positioning, centre of the lane, I was intending on going straight. I turned for two reasons:
1 Mainly because I was about to be side swiped, I had to pull on the brakes and moving away from an object that could hit you is, well, quite natural and
2 To make sure I captured the reg with the fixed camera!
You don't have to prove you wasn't doing anything...
...they have to prove that you WERE doing it.
And you forget something, an overtake on a corner will be VERY POORLY viewed upon, an overtake on a junction on a corner is easily considered dangerous driving (I think the laws also state you cannot do this specifically too).
That idiot shouldn't be a driving instructor. Similar close pass happened to me. I caught them at the lights and gave the instructor some advice (friendly) which he agreed his (students) mistake. It's bad enough anyone shaving past too closely but a learner under supervision is ridiculous.
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There was probably a number of 'L' plates on the car, and maybe other signs to tell you that the car may be being driven by a novice driver. There is a reason for the signs and 'L' plates. if you havn't got the message that it 'might just go wrong' then there is something wrong with your judgment my friend.
Nothing wrong with my judgment but maybe your eyesight? "There was probably a number of L plates on the car" you say..Of course, didn't you notice? Also the car is being driven by the instructor which is a warning to those considering using them to teach them to drive..avoid! If the car had been driven by a pupil under instruction, it is no excuse either. They are being 'instructed' for a reason? I'd think before I comment if I were you!
I wasn't refering to this incident. You said a 'similar' thing happened to you previously. I can clearly see what happened on this occasion. i suppose your one of those drivers who never make a mistake are you? All I'm saying is yes he's an instructor and yes he got it wrong ...get over it !
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As a matter of fact I was knocked off my motorbike by a motorist who emerged without looking in my direction. The point is that on this occasion no one was injured and if the incident was reported the instructor will have been dealt with. What do you want to do 'hang him'? Niether me or you are not robots we sometimes make mistakes So we just get over it and move on. No one was hurt!!!!
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There'slittle point in discussing this with you because your driving is so perfect you will never make a mistake. When you do make a mistake (you will) lets hope its no more serious than this one and that if it is we dont hang you for it. i suggest you grow up pal.
I suppose you are that AA driving instructor. I think so. You have no idea "pal". I am an experienced rider/driver/ motorcyclist and I know what I am talking about. You are trying (pitifully) to defend the indefencible - I wonder why!!
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Look mate if you take the trouble to read all of my posts on this subject you will see that I am in now way defending him. He is a twat. However you as an experienced motorcyclist should know that 'people do get it wrong' particularly when learning. If you are telling me that you have never made a mistake then I concede the argument but I cant have a reasoned argument with someone who doesn't know what they are talking about.
This was the instructor driving recklessly as there was no-one else in the vehicle. I have read about this story on a cycling forum. The video poster confirmed this. He also reported the matter with footage to the AA who did nothing I believe. I don't think they really care as long as the franchise fees are paid.
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I dont dispute that this instructor was at fault. The AA would not have made public any information about him unless he was prosecuted. Its something to do with data protection. We wouldn't necessarily know what the outcome was. He may have been given a warning. If he were reported again he could lose his franchise. It has been dealt with. If you are not happy with the outcome you can complain to the AA. My argument is that one wreckless instructor does not make all instructors 'idiots'
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No it doesn't 'show what they are teaching' it shows that this instructor on this occasion got it wrong. There 46,000 instructors in this country do you have any other proven examples?
are you sure it wasn't a learner? and yes learners make mistakes but if it was the driving instructor him self, where the hell was the MMS? if he had done that properly he would of known you were there... but if it was a learner could be new...
TheSelfIndulgence 1 month ago
I hate cyclists. No excuse for this behaviour though. AA driving instructors are some of the most dangerous drivers on our roads. If I see one I pull over to let them past, then keep a safe distance ( about 250 miles) and wait for them do to something stupid,
stevieb19660 1 month ago
Were you in the middle of the lane?!
JoeArthurOrton 3 months ago
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@JoeArthurOrton err, why don't you check the video?
68nickperry 3 months ago
One watches these types of clips thinking that they are a rarity...but when you fit a bike cam you realise just how frequently they occur.
I caught a fella, on camera, driving a police car, near on wiped me and another car out.
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dogcamtrev 3 months ago
What a Pro, I wonder what his students are like. Then again its the Automobile Association Instructor what do you expect, he was just trying to teach you a lesson.
MrAnalogue1 3 months ago
but were you in the correct lane?
left lane left turn only
right lane straight ahead plus left turn?
its the big white lane arrows and signs you need to look at ..........
ukmale4 4 months ago
@ukmale4 Left lane left only? Arrows? Nonsense! The only problem there was overtaking a bike at a junction.
68nickperry 4 months ago
epic fail. I recognise East Sheen high street lol
rockshox101avidjuicy 5 months ago
Could have been his son/daughter/wife/partner driving the car!!!!!!
grahamzx9r 5 months ago
aa driving instructers wot a set of cunts
seagull855 5 months ago
Piss poor for an ADI, you should report this to the AA.
ChanticleerHegemony 6 months ago
Don't slag off the AA because you've had a bad experience with an AA instructor... it is not their company policy to employ bad ones. ANY instructor can be bad, and believe me, there are plenty of dodgy ones out there. Unfortunately, finding a good one can be trial and error.
asiafilmfan 6 months ago
the aa driving school is really bad, trust me
iamerror2 8 months ago
Im a driver who chooses to cycle to work but i always use the paths..in areas ike this one there are plenty of cycle lanes. I'll never understand why cyclist want to use the road..As a driver they annoy me and as a cyclist they annoy me...1) Why put yourself in danger. 2) you know your pissin everyone off who crnt overtake you. 3) why not use the path? its just as quick and safer. I think if cyclist want to use the road they should have to take a test like everyone else!
EnglishHighsociety 9 months ago
@EnglishHighsociety I drive as well. I have always found cycling facilities to be poorly designed, badly maintained, usually have cars parked in them and are much slower than using the road. See my other videos to compare road and track. I’ve never found it difficult to overtake a cyclist safely when driving – if someone can’t overtake a bike in a car I would seriously question their ability to drive. Taking a test doesn’t exactly guarantee decent driving does it? - especially if he's teacher!
TCTC68 9 months ago 5
@TCTC68 Well round here the cyclist paths are all good, i'm not saying its hard to overtake them but in some cases ou just carrnt overtake one! Also iv seen alot of cyclist on roundabouts not using arm signals not payin attention or weaving in an ou of traffic, im not branding ll cyclist idiots as i said im one myself i just dont see why they insist on weaving in n out of traffic when in most cases theres paths each side of them. A basic test would help, teach them more awarness and respect.
EnglishHighsociety 9 months ago
@TCTC68 i have to agree, my route to work in east london has cycle paths, but they're aweful to cycle on, they're a lot more bumpy and more likely to have potholes than roads, they also have loose bits of grit and gravel on.
When it was snowing last year the cycle paths turned to ice and i had no choice but to get on the road, very dangerous, something i will not repeat and either get leave from work, or work from home
OnlineBackupServices 4 months ago
@EnglishHighsociety Where's the cycle path in this video?
Besides which, cycle paths are often more dangerous than using the road - because of junction conflicts, they are almost always much slower, made to a poor standard, and generally useless. No wonder so many of us ride on the roads. The roads go where we want to go, and they are the public highway after all, for all of us to use.
CyclingMikey 8 months ago
@EnglishHighsociety Where I live there is a £30 fine if you're caught cycling on the path (obviously unless it's a cycle path) which is frustrating because as a cyclist I am terrified of cycling on busy roads with angry drivers trying to overtake, and as a learner driver I loathe the thought of having to deal with a cyclist on my driving test (or at any time at all).
heavenisntfar 4 months ago
@EnglishHighsociety YES i hae always said this. they are a pain. they dont pay insurance. what would happen if they crashed in to my car? they dont pay road tax either.
jakedanx 4 months ago
@jakedanx Nobody pays road tax sunbeam, because Churchill abolished it in the 1930s to stop the few most stupid motorists from trying to claim they own the public highway. Everyone pays towards roads, even those who don't own cars, since neither income tax nor council tax are hypothecated. Oh, you mean VED? That's an emissions tax, based on the pollution each vehicle causes. How much pollution does a bicycle cause and how much does your car?
CyclingMikey 3 months ago
@jakedanx Next point, insurance. I'm insured, as are many cyclists. Not all, sure, but then cyclists cause very little property damage and almost no death and injury at all to other people. That's quite unlike motor vehicles, where drivers cause 2,500 deaths and hundreds of thousands of injuries per year in the UK.
In the subset of collisions between bicycles and motor vehicles, somewhere between 80-90% are the fault of the driver. Cyclists have great motivation to avoid them. It hurts.
CyclingMikey 3 months ago
@EnglishHighsociety i would second that, the trouble is with cyclists is that they think every one must give them priority and the road revolves around them, fair one you can be fined £500 for riding on the pavement but a police officer will never do that since it is safer to ride on the pavement, what is dangerous is trying to overtake me a 20 year old 3 years driving experience (i drive with ease and saftey) at a junction? i will not put my self in danger by skidding i will just mow you down
1234Punkdrummer 3 months ago
@1234Punkdrummer So your a shit driver then who has three years of reinforcing your bad habits and poor driving technique. If you have no respect for other road users and cannot control your car then you should not be driving at all. You have also shown you stupidity by admitting on a public forum that your incapable of handling the car you own on a public highway. No wonder insurance is sky high for young drivers with people like you on the roads.
BadSwindoomRoadUsers 3 months ago
i would just like to add that my car (dodge charger 2011 model) is not designed for the english roads, it is not designed for turning, or sudden braking (no i am not willing to change cars) if i can inform any cyclist here today that if you like most of you try doing sharp turns at junctions being stupid and not using the pavement or crossroads it will get you no where, just under the wheels of my 2 ton car
1234Punkdrummer 3 months ago
@1234Punkdrummer You'd best be driving carefully then, because that sort of p1ss poor driving attitude and poor driving ability will put you in jail. Many cyclists run multiple cameras because of the minority of bad drivers like yourself.
Either that, or you're just an internet trouser mouth.
CyclingMikey 3 months ago
@1234Punkdrummer
Ohh what a big car!
Did you really mean to be ironic?
Clotaire Rapaille was the marketing guru from the US who pitched these vehicles at a group of drivers who were described as:
"Inadequate and incompetent drivers who know they are going to have accidents, but want the other guy to come off worse when they do."
"Divers who lack physical confidence so buy a big vehicle simply to bolster that confidence by being able to bully and intimidate other drivers"
Cunobelin 3 months ago
@Cunobelin thats thank you for the condescending yet unintelligent comment, marketing is statistics and does not represent the individual, i am confident i will have you know i passed my test in two months. I do not intimidate other drivers i behave in a motor as i do on the footpath calm and composed, i bought a dodge charge because i have a passion for american automotive engineering, my point was cyclists should not be on the road use the foot path its safer
1234Punkdrummer 3 months ago
@1234Punkdrummer
You really have no clue.... marketing is about looking at a group of people who you can analyse and then sell something to by appealing to their needs, or desires. It is about recognising those failings
I think the fact that you feel you need to boast about the size of your vehicle says more than I can about your confidence and maturity.
.. and that's before we address your apparent need to remove cyclists because you are unable to cope
Cunobelin 3 months ago
@1234Punkdrummer One thing is for sure im alot more intelligent that you, all the things i say are true. not that i have to justify anything to you i dont lie:) i really do feel sorry for you cyclists because the only thing that is inflated it is not my car it is your complex on the road:) for every ignorant comment you make because thats what you do rude and you change concepts to fit your ideas:) your an idiot and id love to drive past you one day and car door you:) end of^^
1234Punkdrummer 2 months ago
@Cunobelin Now since were making correlations between internal characteristics and size Dr freud lets talk about a person lacking prose weak in analysis uneducated yet is still has the audacity to try and be smart and condescending on a youtube channel it does not suit you my friend
Did you really mean to be ironic?
1234Punkdrummer 3 months ago
@1234Punkdrummer
Oh dear, oh dear...
The only real connection with Freud is your need to lie about how big your car is!
Cunobelin 3 months ago
@Cunobelin Why would I, pointless.. All i intend to do is .. qoute have a good rant.. because you know what we as drivers spend a wedge driving lessons.. driving test.. theory read the theory and then i want to emphasise i spend all that on a nice big car:) nothing to do with size its just nice.. so at least cyclists can do is read the high way code and be safe.. it is curtisey, and that sit down trike thing on your channel exactly my point .. wtf??? should be illegal
1234Punkdrummer 3 months ago
@1234Punkdrummer
I agree your lies are pointless, and if you fail to understand your need to lie................
Please tell me this is all in jest - no-one can be this ignorant of reality surely?
Stunning ignorance!
Cunobelin 3 months ago
@1234Punkdrummer
What is the meaning of "curtisey"?
Do you mean that you wish to perform a ritual obeisance to cyclists?
It isn't really necessary, and a bow is more usual for males.
Given the standard of literacy and spelling in that post, my real concern is whether you are actually able to read the Highway Code!
Cunobelin 3 months ago
@Cunobelin I am more than capable of reading the highway code.. after all i passed my driving test.. and whats wrong with a spelling mistake, why do people on with nothing intelligent to say such as your self always go for the grammar.. maybe because your really stupid and you memorise the dictionary to seem intellectual to your peers? Hmm as for me im sure i have made thousands of spelling mistakes after doing many years in education, which clearly you have not it is most likely:)
1234Punkdrummer 3 months ago
@1234Punkdrummer
weeel let yor literusy standurds blyndin wit and apparunt overwelming inteligunce speek fur vemselves ven shal wee
Cunobelin 3 months ago
@1234Punkdrummer When you start to insult people in the response that you post you have lost the argument. You knuckle dragging half wit. Have a nice day.
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Cunobelin 2 months ago
@1234Punkdrummer
My apologies....
I realise now that I can in no way come up with anything as intelligent or worthwhile as your statement that:
You have a big car (even if for some reason you felt the need to inflate the size)
You are unable to turn corners
You are unable to use your brakes
You feel everyone else has a responsibility to get out of the way of your inadequate driving
You have passed your driving test (allegedly)
Yuu can reed, but kant spel
So much to admire!!!!!
Cunobelin 2 months ago
@1234Punkdrummer So Punkdrummer, to continue, It’s cyclists that are the problem? What we should all do is drive cars that we lack the ability to control, and then, in full knowledge of our inadequacies we should go on a public website and admit we are incompetent behind the wheel BUT go on to admit that we are still prepared to kill and maim others because, after all, it is those cyclists and other idiots out there that think the road revolves around them. Well said.
68nickperry 3 months ago
@1234Punkdrummer – thanks for your insight and the benefit of your wisdom on the matter… there was me thinking that roads were for everyone to share and that with one’s “right” to drive or cycle on the road came the “responsibility” of following the rules and even having regard for the safety of fellow humans but I was wrong all along.
68nickperry 3 months ago
@EnglishHighsociety in England cycling on the pavement is illegal. i dont mind cyclists on the road as long as they abide by the rules like everyone else. simple things like riding in single file, correct junction and traffic light usage seems to go out the window with most cyclists. i saw a cyclist pull out of a giveway without even looking i pretty much ran him down, less than a week later (same time same place) i saw him do it again this time he went straight up over the bonnet of a cop car.
hypopsycho 3 months ago
@EnglishHighsociety i totally agree... they are such a pain in the hed when im following one.... i hope i dont get stuck behind one on ma test :@ !!!!
TheDLP2605 3 months ago
@TheDLP2605 I just dont understand them at all, i see one almost everyday in full spandex helmet an a carbon fibre pro racing bike.. he goes along at silly speeds, round islands an thru junctions an even traffic lights.If he hits my car i have to pay damages because he pays no insurance.. I bike to work an use all paths i get there pretty quick an am at no risk to anyone on the path yet this guy must of spent a fortune on his gear an bike. They should have to take a test or adleast be insured!
EnglishHighsociety 3 months ago
well he was a bellend for what he did and shouldnt be teaching
Eddystoons 10 months ago
The problem is... the car was being driven by a human being, whether it be a pupil, an instructor or an examiner.
We all make mistakes, that's why we must never be complacent.
I'm a grade 6 instructor and i stil make mistakes.
(although I can't remember ever endangering a cyclist to that extent!)
Anyway , lessons in suffolk for £15 an hour contact learntodrive@mail.com
loki1066 1 year ago
That is why you have a few 1" ball bearings in your pocket. ;)
l337pwnage 1 year ago
@l337pwnage
I wondered what they were.
loki1066 1 year ago
what a jej
Guvi2893 1 year ago
Nopt read through all the posts but I do hope you let the driving school know they have a video on youtube?
sludgeguts 1 year ago
@zdrumT A metre would be the least I'd want to see left for cyclists. Some sort of EU rule calls for 1.5m (not that I'm a fan of the EU) and the highway code (rule 163) says a car's width. Have a look for the rule on google and you'll find a photograph illustrating it.
That said - if 1m was all I ever got but noone ever passed closer than that I'd be a VERY happy little boy. :P
thirteenfingers 1 year ago
The Learner in the AA car would of failed if "he/she" did that on their test as they could of cut you off, yer suppose to overtake after the junction and when the road is clear to overtake a doors width.....
PenguinrulesUK 1 year ago
@PenguinrulesUK Just saw your post today and would like to correct one point on the otherwise spot-on remarks you made.
You're meant to overtake leaving the cyclist as if they were a car... that is, leave them a car's width of space, not just a door. Have a look at the illustration of Highway Code rule 163 for a photograph showing the proper space.
thirteenfingers 1 year ago
Lets just forget this bike vs car rubbish, that is a stupid and petty argument. This was a dangerous manouvre, wether you're in a car, motorbike or cyclist. And I like how this is on here, maybe we should all start doing this. I'd have 4 or 5 new video clips every week.
Rebekah270984 1 year ago 2
hey im with the aa and tht was not me
FalkirkCruiser 1 year ago
Why are these whiney biker videos invariably British?
pf126p 1 year ago
@pf126p Why are pointless comments invariably posted by car enthusiast idiots?
TCTC68 1 year ago 7
@TCTC68 My comment is only pointless to you. I am an avid biker. The drivers in the US are worse and Dutch ride more bikes. Neither whines half as much as the Brits, as much as I adore them.
pf126p 1 year ago
@TCTC68 Comment isn't really pointless though, does make a point, I've never seen any foreign bikers complaining, only here.. One overtake which didn't cause you harm ain't worthy for anything, try searching indian intersection driving, that'll show you worthy biking..
ATBparkour 1 year ago
@ATBparkour
Depends how you define harm – following your logic, it would be ok for me to fire a gun towards you and as long as the bullet missed, there would be no harm…
TCTC68 1 year ago 2
@TCTC68 Ah yeah good comparison, cuz saink that can kill you easily, or getting knocked or swept aside on your bike a bit? Dont even go about, oh it can kill you too blah blah, cuz lets be honest a shite overtake at 15 whilst ur goin bout 5 with a low curb to ride up..
ATBparkour 1 year ago
@ATBparkour Well, the fact is that a large number of cyclists are killed or seriously injured at junctions just like this one, by motorists simultaneously overtaking and turning left just like this one. This car is driven by a man who’s responsible for training the next generation of motorists. He sets a very poor example. You can easily be killed by a slow moving vehicle.
TCTC68 1 year ago
Geezum!
watnotch 1 year ago
Mate I feel ya! Drivers really need to be aware of just how vulnerable cyclists are.
TheDarkangel025 1 year ago
sorry mate but yout not going fast enough thats why u got overtaken your too hesitant but still doesn't make it right for someone to overtake you on a bend like that lol all i can say where did they pass their test? no offence to you by the way
AKASIFAK 1 year ago
No offence taken
What I would say is that, because of the nature of the lens on the camera, things can appear further away, or to move slower, than they are. No, I wasnt going that fast, but I was just getting going, and the car was a lot closer to the bike than it appears to be in the film
TCTC68 1 year ago
@TCTC68 yh tru shame on him/her i think that instructor badge should be taken of them, makes me sick to think they are teaching pupils to drive like that
AKASIFAK 1 year ago
Goes against the highway code. Terrible
TheHusky9 1 year ago
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What kind of sad twat attatches a camera to his bike: one with no life.
Richyhello 1 year ago
So, you live up north, cant sing, or play guitar well, listen to James Blunt and read Dan Brown novels, and in your spare time you go round youtube calling people twats? And you think I have no life? lol
TCTC68 1 year ago
Someone who has got more of a life than you have. Quite probably a lot more income too.
lsmike 1 year ago
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but had to brake and swerve to the left to avoid getting side swiped by Mr AA Instructor.
that's a lie as if you watch your own slow motion you'll see that you only swerve to left to follow him.
perhaps you've cut infrom of him earlier and pissed him off. wee're alll human and make mmistakes or get angry.
but im not saying he's done the right thing.
iranimember 2 years ago
If someone did that purposely as revenge, it makes the incident WORSE!
drsquirrel0 1 year ago
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As an ADI all i can say is that i suspect this film is a set up to try and make the AA look bad. Why else would you film out the front of the car?
Also the driver claims they were going to go straight on, yet turn left without any level of braking or reaction to the overtake. I smell a rat.
haddingtonbb41 2 years ago
Im on a bicycle, not a car, and I have a handle bar cam that is constantly recording every time I ride since I was attacked by a van driver a few years ago.
I was going straight ahead, but had to brake and swerve to the left to avoid getting side swiped by Mr AA Instructor. I carried on, following the car, because I wanted to see who was driving.
I assume it was the instructor (only one person in the car) and he pulled over a few hundred yards up the road, presumably to pick up his lesson.
TCTC68 2 years ago
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Surely this only shows how vunerable cyclist are on roads, and how bikes should be banned from every single city centre.
Cyclists are by a mile the worst road users on the road. I would be all for a test before you are allowed to cycle in a public road
haddingtonbb41 2 years ago
Venerable, yes, but dont see how it follows that they should be banned. I drive a lot as well and in my experience, yes, there are lots of ignorant stupid and selfish cyclists out there, but they are matched pretty much by a fair proportion of likewise idiots in cars, and statistically, the death destruction and carnage that happens out there isnt caused by the cyclists.
TCTC68 2 years ago
Test? Possibly, but doesnt guarantee good driving. Think its more to do with how people behave. Im willing to bet the cyclist you so despise are pretty poor drivers as well.
TCTC68 2 years ago
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Its a question i can't answer.
Wot i would say is that cyclists don't pay attention to road markings(you do though), skip lights, undertake, dont signal,weave through impossible spaces etc.
Possibly my biggest hate as a professional driver is the daft cycle boxes on approach to lights.
haddingtonbb41 2 years ago
I also see lots of cyclists that don't pay attention to road markings, skip lights, undertake, dont signal, weave through impossible spaces etc. But unfortunately the same can be said of many motorists, and you can add to that list driving while on the phone/eating dinner, inappropriate speed, no insurance, mot, licence, driving on drugs or while drunk etc. People moan a lot about idiot cyclists but seem blind to the ones that actually cause the vast majority of death and destruction.
TCTC68 2 years ago
RE The boxes at lights. My understanding is that Advance Stop Lines are there to help avoid problems like the one in this video. A lot of the time it is safer for cyclists at junctions to be a head of the traffic queue and visible. They are really useful if you are turning right. They dont bother me when driving at all. Unfortunately here in London its pretty rare to find one that doesnt have a bus or car blocking it!
TCTC68 2 years ago
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the main reason of advanced stop lines in to slow up all traffic. its a traffic calming measure. If we all have to overtake the fanny who can't afford a car for the 15th time we will ll be travelling slower.
haddingtonbb41 2 years ago
Funny thing to post Ive never had a cyclist slow my journey down when Im in a car; if the traffic is busy then there is little point overtaking as they inevitably whiz past at the next jam, and if traffic is light, then overtaking is easy. Also, as a group, on average, cyclists tend to be higher earners and better educated then the norm, so I doubt most people cycle because they can't afford a car...
TCTC68 2 years ago
Haddington, see my post above.. but as for "afford a car", you're having a laugh, mate. I could afford a bloody nice car, waste of time buying it though - no where to park the thing here, plus driving to work would mean sitting in traffic for 40 mins, or a 20 min cycle ride which is a no brainer and keeps me fit.
downfader2 2 years ago
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Honest answer please. How can we change the standards of cyclists? I work with white van man, taxis, 18 year olds, bus drivers, oaps etc.
As you are only so aware the standard of cycling is REALLY REALLY dangerous. I tread on egg shells everyday as they UNDERTAKE, skip lights(DANGEROUS ENOUGH IN A CAR,NEVER MIND A BIKE!!!!) TAILGATE(with poor brakes) and try and fit through crazy spaces.
You might be a good cyclist, but as a group you are the most dangerous road users by a mile
haddingtonbb41 2 years ago
I think different cities have different examples of cycling behaviour so it depends on where & what is happening.
I would personally like to see anyone who does something naughty on a bike pulled by a cop, details taken and a telling off, then send them on Bikeability at their own cost if its serious (or fine if they refuse)
Repeat offenders I would say take theirbike off them by bringing in new Police powers.
Undertaking is legal btw. HC has provision for it if its safe & effective.
downfader2 2 years ago
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so why not just ban bikes from the road?
speed bumps where introducted at a massive cost(dont have figures) and have saved lifes.
Why not ban bikes from roads?
If i wasn't a good driver(i have passed advanced tests) i would have killed 3 cyclists which i have had to e/stop for when driving through a green light.
Can you tell me more about the laws on undertaking on a bike. Educate me as im not sure. Thanks in advance,
haddingtonbb41 2 years ago
If you ban them you lose the impetus and ease at which to help control health standards in the UK. Moderate exercise and fresh air is good for mental health too
Rule 72 covers the undertaking (motorcyclists too), also cyclelanes put many in this position too. As we so often know many lanes just stop.
downfader2 2 years ago
Pop quiz - how many people are killed by motor vehicle drivers and by cyclists each year on average? The two possible answers are 3,000 and 1 or less. Who are the dangerous road users?
Despite your incorrect beliefs, it turns out that in the subset of crashes between cyclists and motorists, the drivers are to blame in 80-90% of collisions. Oops!
lsmike 1 year ago
brilliant.
pop quiz- who would win in a fight between a tiger and a moth?
as for your 2nd claim lets see the link to your claim.
haddingtonbb41 1 year ago
The 80% comes from a study by the RAC, so must be biased towards motorists. It's fairly googleable, IIRC. Oops, another own goal. The 90% comes from a Leftpondian study.
lsmike 1 year ago
LOL, yeah right. Cyclists are hugely over represented by high earning males. The chances are that many of the cyclists out there are earning rather more than you are. They're on bikes because bikes are often better than cars for many journeys, bikes are more fun, and free fitness.
Funnily enough the "traffic calming" doesn't slow the traffic down. I remember reading a piece of research that showed how traffic flowed better and had a better average speed when there were lots of cyclists.
lsmike 1 year ago
The better average speed happens because it brakes the aggressive accellerate and brake cycle that many impatient drivers use, especially those that fail to plan ahead.
I experienced a good overtake from an instructor/student driver today, I was slightly flabbergasted.
lsmike 1 year ago
All i can say is that i slow right down when there are cyclists about. When i approach a green light and see a cyclist left or right i cover the brake because its almost certain theywill skip the lights. When im driving in heavy traffic i know i need to check my clearance to the left because i will be undertaken by some loon.
oh and traffic calming does slow down traffic. dont care which article you read.
haddingtonbb41 1 year ago
That would probably make you a better than average driving instructor, but I'm a little sceptical given the obvious prejudice shown here in your posts.
You're right that cyclists reduce top speeds of car drivers, but they cause the average speed to rise simply because of the better flow of traffic.
Then again, maybe you want all those cyclists to be in cars in the queue ahead of you. That'll make for gridlock here in London and slow you down. That's right, most cyclists also own cars.
lsmike 1 year ago 9
IVe no idea how you studied the driving behaviour of driving instructors. All ican say is that we have to pass a very hard driving test in the qualifying test. A test that i would guess 99/100 folk wouls fail without training.
Your 2nd point makes no sense. I cant understand how bikes slow down the traffic but increase the average speed of cars?
Sure put them in cars. Better late in this world then early in the next.
As for london i couldn't care less about this toilet of a city.
haddingtonbb41 1 year ago
That's because like most car drivers you probably don't plan ahead very much, and confuse top speed between traffic lights with making progress. Racing up to the lights and waiting longer in a queue rather than progressing at a steady pace and not having to waste time in a queue waiting for others to get going.
In most big cities, bicycles are faster than cars. It's the cars slowing down bicycles. Outside of this, bicycles still help cars to make better progress.
lsmike 1 year ago
no i teach eco-friendly driving to both learners and full licence holders. Modules we teach cover things like forward planning for traffic lights.
You are once again deflecting away from the awful standard of road sense we have to endure from you cycling pals.
I still dont understand how the traffic will flow quicker is we have bikes on the road.
Can you simplify your point and provide some reasoned argument.
haddingtonbb41 1 year ago
Whatever you as a group of instructors are teaching, it isn't working, and it isn't sticking. Car drivers are far worse than cyclists. Speeding, driving on the phone, going through red lights, driving in bus lanes, overtaking inappropriately, driving impatiently, etc.
OTOH there certainly are bad cyclists out there too. The difference is that they don't kill or injure other people because they're not mis-controlling a tonne and a half of metal.
lsmike 1 year ago
this is simply your opinion.
Who is more likely to skip he lights- cyclists
who are more likely to undertake- cyclists
who are more likely to not signal- cyclists
who are more likely to signal late- cyclists.
The standards of driving in this country is actually very good. Can you give me 10 countries which you have visited which you think the driving standards are higher???
You will are a cyclist experiance plenty of bad driving from car drivers.
haddingtonbb41 1 year ago
I'm a driver too. Let's just look at the death rates - caused by drivers, 3,000 a year. Caused by cyclists, 1 a year.
Drivers are very likely to jump red lights too, and in London TFL found that 84% of cyclists wait on green. You're simply a biased driver showing bigoted behaviour towards cyclists.
lsmike 1 year ago
so 16% on cyclist skip red lights regularly.
do 16% of car drivers skip red light in yourmade up poll?
haddingtonbb41 1 year ago
You don't like the facts much, do you? A different study, so perhaps not very comparable, found that 1 in 10 drivers and 1 in 5 bus drivers go through red lights in London. That was measured after waiting 3 seconds after the lights changed to red, so the percentage of real red light jumpers is likely higher. Also, when a car does stop for the lights, it's wide enough to stop all the other cars behind it from jumping lights. Experience makes it clear that some of them would if they could.
lsmike 1 year ago
brilliant another study!!
wot about after the light has been raed for 20 seconds.
The colour clind cyclist will still race through frightening the peds who are crossing,
desperate to get home to his boyfriend.
haddingtonbb41 1 year ago
Oooh, nasty piece of homophobia there. So you're not just a bigot driver against cyclists?
A tosser is a tosser no matter what form of transport they are using. I'm betting you'd be just as bad a cyclist as the driver you clearly are from the very poor attitudes shown in your posts.
lsmike 1 year ago
One of the biggest complaints by cyclists is how we're always having to plan ahead on behalf of the other road users around us because they (the drivers) aren't bothering. Stuff like dissuading overtakes at unsafe locations, and then making it easy for them to pass when it finally is safe.
lsmike 1 year ago
remember that we put through drivers too pass a test. 40/50 hours to teach folk how to control a car and MOSTLY roadsense and priorities. Remember most of it wont stick and they make mistakes. I passed at 17,i think i was a good driver at 25 and an exceptional driver at 28 after doing all many advanced tests.
haddingtonbb41 1 year ago
That proves you're not a good driver or instructor in my books. The good drivers and cycliss are exceptionally aware of their limitations and faults, and you're clearly not. Taken with the utter tosh you're posting on this video, you must be well below average.
lsmike 1 year ago
As for why it's faster to drive when there are cyclists around, the reasons are very simple. Last chance for the hard of thinking:
Think about the difference between average and top speed on a common urban journey. Add some cyclists in there, and your top speed is often limited. Your average speed isn't affected by this, because the 20 seconds that a driver spends waiting behind a cyclist on average is simply gained back by having to wait at the queue further ahead for 20 less seconds.
lsmike 1 year ago
Now factor in more cyclists, and you find that the queues at junctions and traffic lights don't bunch up as close, and more often end up simply flowing through. Now you get an increase in average driving speed thanks to the cyclists.
There's a second factor - more cyclists equals less drivers in cars. You should be clapping your hands in glee every time you see a cyclist - they mean less traffic for you to get stuck in and more time for you to earn money.
lsmike 1 year ago
ur still not listening.
how will the traffic flow better with cyclist as opposed to zero cyclists??
Cycle paths are the way forward. Reduced pollution for the cyclist, faster and safter driving for car users, less deaths. Tis a no-brainer.
haddingtonbb41 1 year ago
Hard of thinking, that's you.
Cycle paths - they increase the actual danger for cyclists, whilst reducing the perception of that danger. They are not a good solution, and it's why you'll find many experienced cyclists will stick to using the roads.
Your cycle path comment shows your real thoughts - "get off "my" roads cyclists", forgetting that everyone pays for the roads.
lsmike 1 year ago
As for cycling = danger, the answer is not really. Here in the UK it's about as safe as walking. The biggest danger to both are car drivers - mostly to blame with cyclists, and often killing or seriously injuring pedestrians on the pavements. You driving instructors have a lot to answer for.
lsmike 1 year ago
Haddington, the cycle boxes (ASLs) are designed to get cyclists away from the side of larger vehicles and up front so they are seen. Its about visibility.
Before the many of them were installed there was a lot of hooking collisions where drivers would overtake near the lights and leave the cyclist at the kerb surrounded. Even small cars had ended up hitting the cyclist as many drivers dont check their left side before turning.
downfader2 2 years ago 2
LOL "ban the vulnerable"? What else would you ban, women from city incase they are raped.Trees incase the catch fire, LOL
Every study and statistic (take the Police ones for example) has shown cyclists to be on the majority law abiding. As for test, I did my proficiency, that was deemed good enough in the day do see why its different now.
downfader2 2 years ago
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No i wouldn't ban women incase the get raped, or tree's incase they catch fire. Bit of a strange comment.
Cyclist ARE really vulnerable when weaving their way through the city. This is a FACT. I remember reading the number of cyclists killed in Edinburgh in the last 10 years. I thought it would have been 0 maybe 1 or 2, but there were loads. And the levels of accidents.
As a person who tries really hard to preserve the standards, i found this alarming.
haddingtonbb41 2 years ago
Strange? Like banning cyclists, which would never work.
I think the issue here is the autopilot mode people go into. Its sadly often never challenged until too late (and I do count all in this not just drivers). When I was a kid you'd see a cop pull someone for doing something naughty, have a word and lesson learned. Now theres no Police and no stern word.
I also think you can filter safely with the right advice. What often looks like weaving to some is just safe filtering.
downfader2 2 years ago
Peds are just as vunerable, and more peds get killed by motorists than cyclists get killed.
Yet we don't ban them from city centres...
If something is killing the rest... isn't it the problem of that?
There are more bad drivers out there than bad cyclists, it's not sustainable to increase car usage (this isn't a fuel/environmental issue), its capacity.
If anything, we need parking on the edge of city centres and making them ped only.
drsquirrel0 2 years ago 2
yes but we dnt let pedestrian walk all over the road.
haddingtonbb41 1 year ago
Except of course when they cross the road....
pminopoli 1 year ago 2
This was a bad overtake, agreed. However, Instructors are only human too and WILL make mistakes as well as the General Public (of whom some are so pious and know-it-alls that they almost cause crashes involving learners!) Until one goes further with driving post 'L' test (such as Advanced driving) accept other people's mistakes and don't get so hung up over it!!!!!
glatbaby007 2 years ago
Im not that hung up about it and accept that people make mistakes.BUT as a person whose job it is to train other drivers how to drive safely, that was a very dangerous manoeuvre; overtaking cyclists whilst turning left is one of the biggest causes of death and serious injury to people on bikes in London.
The video is up here for educational purposes; ie to remind people NOT to overtake cyclists at junctions
TCTC68 2 years ago
Not disagreeing with you and I've been a cyclist in the past and am also a motorcyclist so I know what you are saying. Educational purposes-brilliant-could not agree more: However that isn't how it appears to have come across!!!
glatbaby007 2 years ago
Out of interest, how does it come across?
TCTC68 2 years ago
Well let me put it this way: If you read some of the comments of others (to whom my original comment was directed at) it does not help the majority of Instructors and Trainers who are careful and try to give the industry a better reputation!! Also if you have video footage of, for example, cab, lorry and van drivers (who are also supposed to be professional drivers) it could give a more equal view
glatbaby007 2 years ago
Almost as bad as the police
GOLDENTROUSERS 2 years ago
So much for the Theory test question that goes "You notice a cyclist in front of you and you intend to turn left . . . . "
The correct answer to which is of course "Wait behind the cyclist"
As an ADI and fleet registered driver trainer my view is that if it was a learner driving then the instructor sure wasn't in control of the lesson and if it was an instructor driving he should be shot.
peakbusiness 2 years ago 16
@peakbusiness dont instructor's have their own pedals so that they can stop this from happening?
kathryn8169 2 years ago
It could have been an inexperienced learner :P If it was i can imagine the instructor taking a spaz at them haha! :L
whatalemon 2 years ago
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i think this looks a bit silly when you said you kept that space clear am driver so i always see all bike riders squize there asses between the cars to get through i dont think they keep that space clear believe me
TENINSHE 2 years ago
Well, youve just seen an example of a cyclist that doesnt squize there asses past queuing traffic and does leave keep clear areas clear
TCTC68 2 years ago
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StevenR6168 2 years ago
Oh dear, and these people are meant to teach?
xXxDanniixXx 2 years ago
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WOT THE HELL?! gd thing my dad switched over to bsm drivin instructor dnt wana see him doin this LOL bt omg ugly car the new FIAT (N) butt ugly :( and i dnt like the AA ford the dash board is mega big and long cant see much (N) they shud use smaller cars. hence 2 doors
TheSelfIndulgence 2 years ago
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What the hell are you doing filming this in the first place? Sure looks like you're holding you mobile phone. Almost like you wanted this to happen?? I'd like to know what the AA car was doing behind you with position/signal etc, cause how you stopped before the keep clear sign you may have given the impression you are parked? Having said all that the AA driver has screwed up. JUst remember there are 2 sides to every story and your 'show' doesn't give the whole story
charliefreck 2 years ago
Parked? Im on a bicycle stopped before the keep clear sign because it says, well, keep clear?Not that ambiguous.
Im not holding a mobile. I'm using a ATC3K Oregon Scientific camera which is about the same size as a bike light. And like a bike light, it is mounted on the handle bars of my bike, switched on before I start my ride and switched off once I stop. Its totally hands free and legal. I nearly always use one after being attacked by a van driver who purposely drove his van into me.
TCTC68 2 years ago
Sorry. Thought you were in a car. This makes a lot more sense now. Damn fool of an AA drive.
WHen this happens to me on my bike I slap the car. They then think they've knocked you over. All the best
charliefreck 2 years ago 2
I accept that whether he was driving recklessly or riskily its not good but theres a difference if you want to take action against him. Did you complain? What was the response?
sweetness2follow 2 years ago
Sent to AA. No response ever recieved. Hence up on youtube!
TCTC68 2 years ago
The AA don't empoy driving instructors. There is not alot they can do. There is also the chance that the car is being driven without the supervision of the instructor. It could be a mechanic, candidate on test, the wife/husband.
Obviously not a good advert for the AA though.
L plates are warning signs, learers are always unpredictable. Thats why other road users should treat with extreme caution.
jonathane1976 2 years ago
Ok I wasnt accusing you of lying just that theres not enough evidence here to prove anything unless you can prove you were going straight on. If you were then the AA guy was reckless but without total proof the AA guy could say you were signalling left and because the initial exit road is wide enough for two vehicles he took advantage to go around you. There are no lane markings on the approach so he wasnt legally in the wrong lane either. In this example his driving was just risky.
sweetness2follow 2 years ago
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mmmmmm why is there music over the top of this video? If you can prove that you weren't signalling left then you have a case. Not everything we see here could be truthful. To me there appears to be time after the AA car goes past for you to still continue ahead. The video does not prove at all you were intending to go straight on. Indeed to me it looks like you were intending a left turn. You cant put something forward as evidence when there might be another story here....
sweetness2follow 2 years ago
Hi
The music is there because the audio from the ActionCam is just a terrible rumble, and I because I like JJ Cale.
I cannot prove that I wasnt signalling left! but I wasnt. Look at my road positioning, centre of the lane, I was intending on going straight. I turned for two reasons:
1 Mainly because I was about to be side swiped, I had to pull on the brakes and moving away from an object that could hit you is, well, quite natural and
2 To make sure I captured the reg with the fixed camera!
TCTC68 2 years ago
One more thing: Even IF I was signalling left the Highway code is pretty clear:
Rule 166 DO NOT overtake if there is any doubt, or where you cannot see far enough ahead to be sure it is safe.
For example, when you are approaching a corner or bend
Rule 167 DO NOT overtake where you might come into conflict with other road users. For example
approaching or at a road junction
stay behind if you are following a cyclist approaching a roundabout or junction, and you intend to turn left
TCTC68 2 years ago
You don't have to prove you wasn't doing anything...
...they have to prove that you WERE doing it.
And you forget something, an overtake on a corner will be VERY POORLY viewed upon, an overtake on a junction on a corner is easily considered dangerous driving (I think the laws also state you cannot do this specifically too).
drsquirrel0 2 years ago
Outrageous driving, should defo know better thwn that!
scabbernacker 2 years ago
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Will everyone on this post get over it! cyclists are always against everyone!
1ns4ne1d10t 2 years ago
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At the end of the day, your on a bike and therefore deserve to be cut up and generally treated like the waste of oxygen that you are.
Pay some road tax and you can bitch about not being given right of way............
mmmbilly 2 years ago
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stalmarni 2 years ago
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he is gangsta for doing that, ur some slow fat ass driver, live with it! i rate him to overtake in any manner
saibhy 2 years ago
Btw Did you report the matter? I'd certainly have at least gone to the AA driving school and showed the footage if not the Police.
stalmarni 2 years ago 3
If reported the AA driving school would have dealt with it properly.
smokinmixture 2 years ago
That idiot shouldn't be a driving instructor. Similar close pass happened to me. I caught them at the lights and gave the instructor some advice (friendly) which he agreed his (students) mistake. It's bad enough anyone shaving past too closely but a learner under supervision is ridiculous.
stalmarni 2 years ago 2
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There was probably a number of 'L' plates on the car, and maybe other signs to tell you that the car may be being driven by a novice driver. There is a reason for the signs and 'L' plates. if you havn't got the message that it 'might just go wrong' then there is something wrong with your judgment my friend.
smokinmixture 2 years ago
Nothing wrong with my judgment but maybe your eyesight? "There was probably a number of L plates on the car" you say..Of course, didn't you notice? Also the car is being driven by the instructor which is a warning to those considering using them to teach them to drive..avoid! If the car had been driven by a pupil under instruction, it is no excuse either. They are being 'instructed' for a reason? I'd think before I comment if I were you!
stalmarni 2 years ago
I wasn't refering to this incident. You said a 'similar' thing happened to you previously. I can clearly see what happened on this occasion. i suppose your one of those drivers who never make a mistake are you? All I'm saying is yes he's an instructor and yes he got it wrong ...get over it !
smokinmixture 2 years ago
"Get over it" you say. I hope you have that same grand sentiment when someone knocks you off your motorbike and maims you or worse!
stalmarni 2 years ago
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As a matter of fact I was knocked off my motorbike by a motorist who emerged without looking in my direction. The point is that on this occasion no one was injured and if the incident was reported the instructor will have been dealt with. What do you want to do 'hang him'? Niether me or you are not robots we sometimes make mistakes So we just get over it and move on. No one was hurt!!!!
smokinmixture 2 years ago
Personally, yes I would hang the pillock. Nice of you to be so forgiving on behalf of someone else.
Mistakes happen but I expect better from "professionals"!
stalmarni 2 years ago
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There'slittle point in discussing this with you because your driving is so perfect you will never make a mistake. When you do make a mistake (you will) lets hope its no more serious than this one and that if it is we dont hang you for it. i suggest you grow up pal.
smokinmixture 2 years ago
I suppose you are that AA driving instructor. I think so. You have no idea "pal". I am an experienced rider/driver/ motorcyclist and I know what I am talking about. You are trying (pitifully) to defend the indefencible - I wonder why!!
stalmarni 2 years ago
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Look mate if you take the trouble to read all of my posts on this subject you will see that I am in now way defending him. He is a twat. However you as an experienced motorcyclist should know that 'people do get it wrong' particularly when learning. If you are telling me that you have never made a mistake then I concede the argument but I cant have a reasoned argument with someone who doesn't know what they are talking about.
smokinmixture 2 years ago
This was the instructor driving recklessly as there was no-one else in the vehicle. I have read about this story on a cycling forum. The video poster confirmed this. He also reported the matter with footage to the AA who did nothing I believe. I don't think they really care as long as the franchise fees are paid.
stalmarni 2 years ago
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I dont dispute that this instructor was at fault. The AA would not have made public any information about him unless he was prosecuted. Its something to do with data protection. We wouldn't necessarily know what the outcome was. He may have been given a warning. If he were reported again he could lose his franchise. It has been dealt with. If you are not happy with the outcome you can complain to the AA. My argument is that one wreckless instructor does not make all instructors 'idiots'
smokinmixture 2 years ago
Did you complain? Did you get a response? What about the number plate? What a dangerous move? shows what they are teaching
MiahLFC 2 years ago
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No it doesn't 'show what they are teaching' it shows that this instructor on this occasion got it wrong. There 46,000 instructors in this country do you have any other proven examples?
smokinmixture 2 years ago
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Who cares ????
nippasnapper 2 years ago