Why ; why ; why must steam train enthusiasts run ; run ; run neurotically everywhere in the self-pretence that they are going to get the ideal photograph ?
Another thing you see in this video that you don't see anymore are the code poles or telegraph poles along the track. Look at that! Some of those poles have 7 brackets! Too bad all those poles have disappeared
Advantage of having a cab-forward locomotive: Greater visibility for the engineer and crew. Disadvantage of having a cab-forward locomotive: The cab is the first thing to be destroyed in the event of a collision.
Interesting side bar- Before the musium she sat infront of the sac. sp shops. If they needed to move shop crews would use a deisel loco. BUT once in awhile they would chargr her boiler with air and move her around on air.This was told to me by shop personel who did this.Ive seen this done with outher loco's myself that are running on tourest lines so it is possible.P.S.-Dont get your hopes up.Air is alot different than steam.
@13normc1 Basically, fuel delivery for the AC series locos was a three-step process: First, live steam from the boiler was ran through a series of coils built into the walls of the fuel bunker back on the tender, preheating the fuel. Then, compressed air was siphoned off from the brake system and used to pressurize the bunker to the tune of five pounds psi. Then finally, a series of pumps drew the fuel through a supply pipe running along the boiler's left-hand side to the fire box.
i love the class becuse it so unusual and funy looking i love steam loco becuse i like history and steam is history i like it and i wish that steam was still being use is north american and it not :-( im only 13 but i like old thing my dad got me to like history and he work for the canadian pacific railroad so i get to go in to CPR yards in calgary and see the 2816 a 4-6-4 H1b Hudson steam loco and the last one of her class
i know a lot about ac class and im 13 im a modle rail roader im a i have love trains form age 2 ps worldofnothin a 4-8-8-4 is a big boy and sp cab forward is a 4-6-6-2
Wish they would bring this baby to Portland, OR with the SP 4449 and other Steam train they have and make a home for it and do exursions. They do so many excursions with the SP 4449. This train would be so great. They would even have it out on TRAIN DAY
@Joshuajlawn At least there's now a miniature live steam replica of a Cab Forward that runs today. That brings it all back. It's just way smaller than the real thing.
Thank F--k people filmed this Engine and Others for history sake!! 60 years from now some kid will say the same about SD40's SD60's, haha! Thanks for posting part of this great video!
Those thing are the Coolest and the strangest Steam i ahve ever seen i know why they did the cab forward but its just so odd and what i want to know is did one of these ever double head with a Big Boy or Challenger? Problay not seeing how they were still seperate Roads at that time
This past year I visited Sacto to see the only surviving cab forward. This engine was without doubt perfection of engineering and purpose. If there ever was an engine that deaerved to be run again, the 4294 should be that engine. One can only dream.
@Kahless02 Well, at least you can see the Union Pacific Challenger 3985, running in person. Challengers look a lot like Cab Forwards only with more wheels and the locomotive, facing the other way.
A question: these being 4-8-8-2's, larger wheel config. than the UP Challenger class loco's. Both Challengers and Big Boy's had to be articulated engines between the two sets of main traction drivers. But the SP Cab Forward doesn't appear to be articulated. Was it? If not, why not? How did it manage to get around the existing curves that required the big UP's to be articulated? Thanks for any info on this question!
Wow - fabulous locomotive. I didn't know of it. And this is a 4-8-8-2? Meaning 4 under the (forward) cab? Or was it listed as a 2-8-8-4? So it must have been articulated, yes? This si pretty darn close to a Big Boy scale loco. Wheel configuration is larger than Challenger's. Impressive!! The power is just awesome.
4294 is currently sitting at the California State Railroad Museum only one left I believe. Good new is 4294 has been designated a National Historic Mechanical Engineering Landmark so she's not going anywhere soon.
@Kyatisback14 & it does! UP 844, UP 3985, SP 4449 just to name a few, & i think they're tryin to get Southern 4409 runnin sum time in the next couple years, theres also rumors of NS bringing back the steam program, but idk if that's going to turn to anything or not....
Close. A 4-8-8-2. They were the only locomotive of that wheel arrangement. This is truly an awesome video. The cabforwards were long gone before my time, but these videos will keep them alive for years to come.
No, she really is a 4-8-8-2. It has a four wheel leading truck under the cab, with two, eight wheels sets of drivers, with a two wheel trailing truck. Since the cab is designated as the front, the four wheel truck is considered leading. Take a good look by doing a Google Image search.
Very cool, I love the cab forward design. I know U.P. has rebuilt a lot of the older diesels (DD-40, E8 etc.) and runs them on excursion trains. Unfortunately there are so many environmental a##holes out there this day and age, it makes even more difficult to run steam locomotives.
I say environmentalists are the least troublesome factor. What really makes it difficult to run steam locos today is cost, maintanence, and permission from other railroads. That's just how I see it. I could worry less about tree huggers than anything else. BTW this vid's awesome!
There is only one left, and I asked the museum that owns her, they would not restore her now because the Union Pacific probably would not let her run on there track (the Southern Pacific might have), and I am willing to bet they want to keep the 3985 the largest right now, so the cab-forward will just sit for now, but hopefully not forever.
Thank you soooo much for this video. As a young boy in the '40's I used to watch these awesome machines, belching coal black smoke hundreds of feet into the air, coming from Altamont Pass through the Dumbarton cutoff on their way to San Fransisco pulling 100 car trains. Those massive engines were literally alive, but they succumed to an accountant with a pen. (sigh)
With this hole oil shortage steam might just make a come back, mush more economical to run if you ask me. A steam switcher (0-6-0) had just as much poser as a modern locomotive, more power and just a little bit more fuel needed. Long live steam!
hell man I want to see 4294 restored and run in excursion service or at least one more run oh well we all know that will never happen but one can still dream LOL...they just laugh at me at the railroad muselm and say thats never going to happen..again it doesnt hurt to dream
Believe it or not, no. The sound is not dubbed. Videos Rails does not dub their sound. They used top on the line video cameras that they had at the time.
What an amazing beast! Thanks for posting this vid of an impressive and unusual locomotive. I have a preserved steam line right outside my house bot the engines are relatively small!
Hmmm, not sure if you'd like this beast right outside your house. You'd need new foundations every few years, LoL. But yes a very impressive sight. 2 years after this video was filmed, the loco was scrapped. Absolute madness. A decision taken by accountants no doubt.
The sound is so off in this vid
allmotorkp61 8 hours ago
Why ; why ; why must steam train enthusiasts run ; run ; run neurotically everywhere in the self-pretence that they are going to get the ideal photograph ?
3NUNS 3 weeks ago
Another thing you see in this video that you don't see anymore are the code poles or telegraph poles along the track. Look at that! Some of those poles have 7 brackets! Too bad all those poles have disappeared
LordoftheKaty 3 months ago
Its strange that 4274 wasn't preserved after its last runner over Donner, any thoughts?
Doompanzer1943 4 months ago
Advantage of having a cab-forward locomotive: Greater visibility for the engineer and crew. Disadvantage of having a cab-forward locomotive: The cab is the first thing to be destroyed in the event of a collision.
Stussmeister 4 months ago
Interesting side bar- Before the musium she sat infront of the sac. sp shops. If they needed to move shop crews would use a deisel loco. BUT once in awhile they would chargr her boiler with air and move her around on air.This was told to me by shop personel who did this.Ive seen this done with outher loco's myself that are running on tourest lines so it is possible.P.S.-Dont get your hopes up.Air is alot different than steam.
madrabidfireman 4 months ago
What year? I would guess '57 or '58?
sgtredbluered 5 months ago
I wish we had the video equipment when I was a kid. All I have is 35mm slides of steam in action on Webshots
boilerbob7 5 months ago
Thanks for sharing these great old movies.
boilerbob7 5 months ago
I don't understand. With he cab up front and the tender in the rear, How does this engine get its fuel?
starguard 5 months ago
Was the sound of the engine added on later?
cochranexyz 6 months ago
How did.it get fuel to the engine
13normc1 7 months ago
@13normc1 ah it use oil
KB9813 7 months ago
@13normc1 Basically, fuel delivery for the AC series locos was a three-step process: First, live steam from the boiler was ran through a series of coils built into the walls of the fuel bunker back on the tender, preheating the fuel. Then, compressed air was siphoned off from the brake system and used to pressurize the bunker to the tune of five pounds psi. Then finally, a series of pumps drew the fuel through a supply pipe running along the boiler's left-hand side to the fire box.
Nutzkie2001 7 months ago
i love the class becuse it so unusual and funy looking i love steam loco becuse i like history and steam is history i like it and i wish that steam was still being use is north american and it not :-( im only 13 but i like old thing my dad got me to like history and he work for the canadian pacific railroad so i get to go in to CPR yards in calgary and see the 2816 a 4-6-4 H1b Hudson steam loco and the last one of her class
KB9813 7 months ago
i know a lot about ac class and im 13 im a modle rail roader im a i have love trains form age 2 ps worldofnothin a 4-8-8-4 is a big boy and sp cab forward is a 4-6-6-2
KB9813 7 months ago
Wish they would bring this baby to Portland, OR with the SP 4449 and other Steam train they have and make a home for it and do exursions. They do so many excursions with the SP 4449. This train would be so great. They would even have it out on TRAIN DAY
amtrakhorn 8 months ago
I don't why, but I always thought the AC's were 4-8-8-4 lol, but they are 4-8-8-2 =/
WorldOfNothin 8 months ago
@WorldOfNothin ah it a 4-6-6-2
KB9813 7 months ago
@KB9813 ya it is and a 4-8-8-4 is up big boy
KB9813 7 months ago
I wish they would restore one of these amasing locomotives and run them again!
Joshuajlawn 9 months ago
@Joshuajlawn At least there's now a miniature live steam replica of a Cab Forward that runs today. That brings it all back. It's just way smaller than the real thing.
Dinosorable 2 months ago
Some Cab Forwards have awesome whistles like 4274. But Cab Forwards look bizarre.
Dinosorable 10 months ago
Was that 4272's whistle at 3:35 to 3:42?
spgeneralservice1654 11 months ago
My Uncle ran these fine machines for the SP back in the day, he said the cab-forward was the best thing SP ever did for her crews.
TheIhredpower 11 months ago
Orgasmic.
NeAZ 1 year ago
Thank F--k people filmed this Engine and Others for history sake!! 60 years from now some kid will say the same about SD40's SD60's, haha! Thanks for posting part of this great video!
48alfaone 1 year ago
Those thing are the Coolest and the strangest Steam i ahve ever seen i know why they did the cab forward but its just so odd and what i want to know is did one of these ever double head with a Big Boy or Challenger? Problay not seeing how they were still seperate Roads at that time
MasterNinjaDM 1 year ago
Great vid! Thanks for sharing -- recently saw #4294 at CRRM and wanted to see an AC in action :)
Wikkus 1 year ago
I wish 4274 could also still exist besides 4294.
thomasrosiefan1 1 year ago
This past year I visited Sacto to see the only surviving cab forward. This engine was without doubt perfection of engineering and purpose. If there ever was an engine that deaerved to be run again, the 4294 should be that engine. One can only dream.
gattosub 1 year ago
I believe 4274 is on display at the California Railroad Museum in Sacramento. This locomotive is HUGE!
caseygblake 1 year ago
Actually it is number 4294. They tell me it is easily ready to go?!?
maskedmancher 1 year ago
it's a shame she isn't under steam today. I'd love to see the last of the AC class pounding the rails again, alongside 2472, 745, and 4449.
Kahless02 1 year ago
Incredible acceleration with no train.
RiflemanMoore 1 year ago
Is this the one that currently lives at the California State Railroad Museum?
pa185486 1 year ago
@pa185486 Nevermind, the one at CSRM is 4294.
pa185486 1 year ago
@pa185486 yea the last one too i went there last month and saw it the thing was huuuuuuge
DJ4000VOLT 1 year ago
It realy is a shame that there aren't any more Cab Forwards still in operating condition. i'd love to see these beautiful monsters running in person.
Kahless02 1 year ago 4
@Kahless02 Well, at least you can see the Union Pacific Challenger 3985, running in person. Challengers look a lot like Cab Forwards only with more wheels and the locomotive, facing the other way.
Dinosorable 2 months ago
A question: these being 4-8-8-2's, larger wheel config. than the UP Challenger class loco's. Both Challengers and Big Boy's had to be articulated engines between the two sets of main traction drivers. But the SP Cab Forward doesn't appear to be articulated. Was it? If not, why not? How did it manage to get around the existing curves that required the big UP's to be articulated? Thanks for any info on this question!
Cyclist051 2 years ago
@Cyclist051 Actuialy, I do believe that these massive engines are indeed articulated locomotives.
Kahless02 1 year ago
Wow - fabulous locomotive. I didn't know of it. And this is a 4-8-8-2? Meaning 4 under the (forward) cab? Or was it listed as a 2-8-8-4? So it must have been articulated, yes? This si pretty darn close to a Big Boy scale loco. Wheel configuration is larger than Challenger's. Impressive!! The power is just awesome.
Cyclist051 2 years ago
how do they get steam to bield up if the tender is in the back
caseyjonesfan 2 years ago
Articulated Consolidation,
4-8-8-2,
they had to put the cab on the front this way as there was alot of tunnel's on the SP route,
You dont wanna be overcome by smoke and steam in a long tunnel,
kirkconway 2 years ago
r there any of the cab forwards left?
97warpath 2 years ago
4294 is currently sitting at the California State Railroad Museum only one left I believe. Good new is 4294 has been designated a National Historic Mechanical Engineering Landmark so she's not going anywhere soon.
ASpatha 2 years ago
I can confirm - all of the others were cut up for scrap.
TheGent2 2 years ago
Very impressive view of a unique engine.
JimTLonW6 2 years ago
STEAM WILL LIVE AGAIN
Kyatisback14 2 years ago 18
yes!! I believe too!!
BordiniBlues85 2 years ago
@Kyatisback14 steam hasn't died
joetraincool 2 years ago
@Kyatisback14 & it does! UP 844, UP 3985, SP 4449 just to name a few, & i think they're tryin to get Southern 4409 runnin sum time in the next couple years, theres also rumors of NS bringing back the steam program, but idk if that's going to turn to anything or not....
colinroxanduknowit 2 years ago
@Kyatisback14 in your membory and trainset steam neer on real life.
AlcoholicSemenStain 1 year ago
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Dinosorable 2 months ago
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@Kyatisback14 Steam started living again, years ago. We have a lot of steam locomotives, running today.
Dinosorable 2 months ago
if 4274 was the last cabforward passinger train to donner pass whas the last cabforward freght train over donner pass?
Zoomie00 2 years ago 5
who invented the diesil and why?
Zoomie00 2 years ago
General Motors
MilwaukeeSDman 2 years ago
@Zoomie00 Rudolf Diesel invented it. Why? Who knows?
hans2406 2 years ago
Rudoph Diesel invented the diesel engine, but GM was the first to apply it to trains.
BNSFandSP 2 years ago
Utterly amazing video.....thanks for posting it !!
thumpersteacher 2 years ago
My Pleasure
RailMon 2 years ago
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tyfude 2 years ago
awesome vid awesome loco presumably some sort of pressurised oil feed from the tender
was she a 4-12-12-4
flammabletube 2 years ago
Close. A 4-8-8-2. They were the only locomotive of that wheel arrangement. This is truly an awesome video. The cabforwards were long gone before my time, but these videos will keep them alive for years to come.
ConrailSD80MAC 2 years ago 4
no its actualy a 2-8-8-4 not a 4-8-8-2 but u where close
cooknsmurf 2 years ago
No, she really is a 4-8-8-2. It has a four wheel leading truck under the cab, with two, eight wheels sets of drivers, with a two wheel trailing truck. Since the cab is designated as the front, the four wheel truck is considered leading. Take a good look by doing a Google Image search.
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Boreing...
JefferyWimberly 2 years ago
Boreing...
Are you describing yourself Jeffery?
RailMon 2 years ago 7
douche....
onetowatch111 2 years ago
@RailMon It's actually a beautiful locomotive.
GECP4256 4 months ago
sure you are not a train fan, but anyway ....
great video thks 4 sharing
raulamx 2 years ago
Why is steam exhausting from in front of the stack? I have never seen that before.
lms264t 2 years ago
very, very nice......
KOOLDAVE1953 2 years ago
ive also made a lego cab forward ill post a video of it
brakevantoad77 2 years ago
That was fantastic...thanks for posting!
mxr618 3 years ago
australia railways would exsept it cuz 3801 unders some s**t
brakevantoad77 3 years ago
i mean its drivers side on its left side and in australia signals are on the left too so they really need it although 3801 may be repared
brakevantoad77 2 years ago
I just got an HO scale cab forward today, it's an AC-11, just like 4274, but it's number is 4272.
trainboy94 3 years ago 2
Very cool, I love the cab forward design. I know U.P. has rebuilt a lot of the older diesels (DD-40, E8 etc.) and runs them on excursion trains. Unfortunately there are so many environmental a##holes out there this day and age, it makes even more difficult to run steam locomotives.
fearsomegladiator 3 years ago 2
I say environmentalists are the least troublesome factor. What really makes it difficult to run steam locos today is cost, maintanence, and permission from other railroads. That's just how I see it. I could worry less about tree huggers than anything else. BTW this vid's awesome!
Glenn.
railfan101 2 years ago
I sure one of the SP Cab-forwards could run again. It could run excursions like SP 4449.
PennsyPostwar671 3 years ago
There is only one left, and I asked the museum that owns her, they would not restore her now because the Union Pacific probably would not let her run on there track (the Southern Pacific might have), and I am willing to bet they want to keep the 3985 the largest right now, so the cab-forward will just sit for now, but hopefully not forever.
pieman97405 3 years ago
As I recall, the drivers were balanced for 40 mph. Can anyone verify that?
Prestologs 3 years ago
Did the whole engine fit on that turntable? looks like a tight fit.
jjkozul 3 years ago
Sure a lot larger than the 'Duke of Gloucester' ;p
adfgfds 3 years ago
More like two 9F's with the cab off a Leader stuck on for good measure! Amazing stuff!
camsprocketpinion 3 years ago
Thank you soooo much for this video. As a young boy in the '40's I used to watch these awesome machines, belching coal black smoke hundreds of feet into the air, coming from Altamont Pass through the Dumbarton cutoff on their way to San Fransisco pulling 100 car trains. Those massive engines were literally alive, but they succumed to an accountant with a pen. (sigh)
Prestologs 3 years ago 2
With this hole oil shortage steam might just make a come back, mush more economical to run if you ask me. A steam switcher (0-6-0) had just as much poser as a modern locomotive, more power and just a little bit more fuel needed. Long live steam!
pieman97405 3 years ago
thanks ive always wanted to see one in action thanks again
9760bn 3 years ago
That's the first time I've ever seen a Cab Forward in action. AWESOME!!!
RDG484 3 years ago
They saved 3759 after her final run, so why not 4274! Oh well, at least we still have
4294.
trainboy94 3 years ago
hell man I want to see 4294 restored and run in excursion service or at least one more run oh well we all know that will never happen but one can still dream LOL...they just laugh at me at the railroad muselm and say thats never going to happen..again it doesnt hurt to dream
gaycowboy31 3 years ago
Was the 4274 scrapped?
hoscaletrains500 3 years ago
yes, i think a couple of years after this video was shot...
UnionPacificBigBoy 3 years ago
Thats sad...shes so beautiful
FoxGTR34Nismo 3 years ago
Yes, she was scraped in april of 1959. sure sucks that they did that.
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hope your 12th birthday was a good one so happy birthday my 28 - unlocal friend.
wanna be local? c`mon.
hotdongass 3 years ago
What an extraordinary thing. Sounds like about four different engines, all out of synch with each other.
AndreiTupolev 3 years ago
hello you dont have a mexican videos of steam locomotives¿?
yourpageitsasheed 3 years ago
where is part 2?
mmmykha 4 years ago
Some of this sound was used by 3D Trains Stuff when they made their MSTS Cabforwards.
NCStL576 4 years ago
can you try to make it run again
mmmykha 4 years ago
Roseville!!!!!! I only live 10 mi. from there
trainboy94 4 years ago
She's a wheezy old gal, but she's got the moxey.
BigDAS 4 years ago 2
Believe it or not, no. The sound is not dubbed. Videos Rails does not dub their sound. They used top on the line video cameras that they had at the time.
adfgfds 4 years ago
Thank you for posting this great footage! I've seen the 4294 at the California Railway Museum. I was born to late to see one in action!
ligreed 4 years ago 3
Yes, you can get it on DVD.
adfgfds 4 years ago
What an amazing beast! Thanks for posting this vid of an impressive and unusual locomotive. I have a preserved steam line right outside my house bot the engines are relatively small!
John48Crocker 4 years ago
Hmmm, not sure if you'd like this beast right outside your house. You'd need new foundations every few years, LoL. But yes a very impressive sight. 2 years after this video was filmed, the loco was scrapped. Absolute madness. A decision taken by accountants no doubt.
RailMon 4 years ago
Ah, accountants. They know the cost of everything and the value of nothing. Absolute madness indeed.
Crosshead1 3 years ago
Damn them! Shes so beautiful! Maybe we should scrap them lol
FoxGTR34Nismo 3 years ago
how du u get the coal in it?
johnor1 4 years ago
It was oil-fired. Pressurized fuel-oil was piped from the tender to the firebox.
falcondriverman 4 years ago
Can you get this on DVD ?
QRhuggies 4 years ago
Not sure, QR. I should think so.
RailMon 4 years ago
It's available on DVD from Pentrex.
carlbd2000 3 years ago
Awesome railfan video.
dutchtrainmanserie22 4 years ago