Placing myself into such a duel, I guess I would not use strength positions or katas, but rather, like the soft style Kojosho, use more fluid and flick moves and keep my Katana out there to interrupt that "dance" and for quick jabs when openings presented themselves. Every time the katana swordsman does a power move, he is wide open.
"hand-held guillotine?" LOL As much as I like Katanas, I have to say that is false especially compared to the hacking power of European Broadswords. Now THOSE are hand-held guillotines :D
@ultimatedirtclod When you consider the edge placed on some of histories finest constructed Katana's compare them to surgical tools is a better comparison.
The show is "right" about some things but also very misleading in other ways. :/
@OMFGHUGEWOLF "surgical tool" yeah that sounds about right...except its probably a scalpel for giants LOL And yeah i agree. the stuff they say can be misleading. Let's just keep in mind that this is a "show". So it's meant to entertain and "wow" us :D
I can't believe discovery pulled something like this off...First this guy doesn't know how to use a katana, or even grip it right. Second, all modern Chinese Wushu is not meant for combat but for performance/exercise. Third, those double edged straight swords have not been used in actual battle for about 2000 years in China due to its disadvantage. Since then It's always been a symbol of power and self defense when everything else failed.
this guy is not using korea kenjutsu style dude , you didn't undertand the video and most of you don't have any idea what you guys are talking about, the man was defending and block all the attacks from the jian becuase the jian are more light than katana we can't compare them if we are talking about speed, and any steel if they are sharp and using in a expert hand can kill someone, you guys watch alot of japoneses anime and movies and i can comfirt than you didn't try the jian before.
And so it is, katana could deliver more power than sword(sometimes breakin it for low qualities) because its balance point is shifted to the center of the blade, but making it slower than sword. The saber is better in power, however is much more slower than katana, and needs more energy to use it. I personally prefer katana, cuz it is easier to use since i dont hav the strength to wield a saber, and my wrist is not strong enough to achieve max speed and agility of the sword.
Well, in chinese, Saber(dao) is defined as one-bladed weapon, and sword(jian) is defined as double-bladed weapon, regardless of its size and shape. So we called katana japanese saber, which is actually a combination of Chinese Sword and Saber. Chinese Saber is broader and heavier for its power, and sword is lighter and narrower for its speed and swiftness.(Its balance point is just above the hilt, so if you turn your wrist only, the fellow's tip covers a wide area in spilt seconds)
I'm not impressed by this, and anything that considers one style of sword "the ultimate sword" is absurd. Each style was a particular culture's (or subculture's) answer to a particular set of problems at a particular time (availability of materials, types of armor in use, size and strength of users, philosophy of use, etc.). Katana worship is so beyond tired, and shows a lack of knowledge or academic rigor in the sword arts. Others are right, it's more the fighter than the sword.
this guy is using korean style kenjutsu. japanese style uses less blocking. japanese swordsman would have striked right away without messing around with blocking
i cant believe their treating the jian like its a smallsword, which, is quite possibly, aside from the estoc, the ONLY sword that cant make proper cuts, all it can so is make quick slashes by draging the tip across your opponent.
Btw, what means "Jian", I remember that the former President o' China was called Jian Ze Ming.
I prefer Jian, but I think that Western knight sword is the better. If you know how to you a jian, you can aply the same movements to a Western 1h sword.
@armaiuran how do u know about that? Without armor u die either way... With leather armor u probably die from Kanata, but the Chin blade is mainly used for thrusting, so u die from it too. Besides the Jian is not really used on battle field it is used in martial art, if u want to compare blades u better use a battle field blade vs. the katana
the problem is its a Modern Wushu person using the Jian. They learn flashy moves and little or no application. Jian in the hands of a skilled swordsman is deadlier thatn katana. Katana is more hack n slash and thus a easier weapon to train on. They would have been better off comparing a katana vs a Chinese Saber.
The problem is not modern wu shu person. All the movements of a jian tao lu are of some application, but some o' them are deception movements, other movements are trusts, cuts or defenses.
There is a shortcoming to 武術' I'd describe as "dance-like" moves. Too energy intensive and often impractical. Sooner than later, many matches will come to blows and blocks. It's highly doubtful that Imperial troops actually trained in full 武術 for combat. It boils down to sorting the excessive elements out of 武術 while keeping the practical moves.
Never forget; however, that it is the artist, not the art that should judged. ***
@1x93cm well, sort of, at least from my background in 少林's perspective. Ideally, and logically, a thin blade with a tapered end is best suited for stabbing. I've no professional exposure to the rigid conducts of 16-17th C European fencing; so I can't answer your question in full.
If the movie 霍元甲(Fearless) is in your head. Try to think in terms of block/parry/striking free from rules you learned, but to how your training equips you to react to situations thrown at you.
@hsuboi 說的對， 可是， 兄弟我覺得你忘記東西, it is just like in football. If you see e.g. Ronaldinho or other players, they do a lot of artistic stuff, mostly during demos & practice, but not that much during matches. This, I call it, flowering, enhances your knowledge about what you can & cannot do & can help enhance your control over your body and your instrument& align these, may it be a football, basketball, a sword, spear or whatever. Therefore I do not consider them useless to learn to a certain degree.
@hsuboi what we usually see in Wushu demonstration is only for show... These moves comes from the practice of body control.. And when in real fights, the techniques usually simplifies and become more efficient. Like SanShou
@hsuboi obviously you have not seen real martial arts, those "dance moves" are used to train and to make the practitioner to understand the philosophy of a certain style of kungfu. the best example of this is the taichi fist or sword style when u see people practicing its slow soft and harmless but if a real master convert those dance move philosophies into real combat it breaks bones.
@hsuboi you misunderstand the reasons of those movements. chinese swordmen and spear men like to slice tendons and ligaments by the wrist and knees. Second the military use the two handed jian which is better suited for heavy blows that can match a katana. just like the raipier vs the large swords of old.Lastly that's modern wu shu athlete. they act more on performance than for app. my instructor studied both fencing and chinese jian. he says they are almost the same.
From my experience, harder on the wrists. Also harder on the blade , in how it transfers/diverts force of shock when performing cuts and slashes. But you're right i terms of more precise stabs though.
@1x93cm not just the poking and stabbing but also cutting too-plus its double sided..and less lighter than a katana. so my opinion the best weapon would be the jian but it really depends on the user and what they make out of their weapons.
@1bol1 you prove my point like all the katana weaboos. Besides people jacking off to Ruroni Kenshin/7 Samurai series rather than trying be rational. Besides both of those moves you suggested are rather retarded in particular. to be honest katana is not meant to take repeated blows unlike your wet fantasies as the typical japanophile imagines.
@kamikazeroniner what is ruroni kenshin?. not all katana enthusiasts are anime nerds. a jian is not ment to take reapeted blows either. a the spine of a katana's flexible it can take blows. but samurai weren't idiots, they didn't bash their sword together. it was one cut one kill. if you missed, you're fucked
While it is true that the skill of the users usually count more then the weapons, a katana can break or bend a jian, making the jian user waste stamina by having to 'dance' throughout the mach because his inability to parry a katana's strong swings. Also, while I mostly agree that it's not good for the blade in a long run to bash a sword against another, it wasn't that uncommon. After all if you have to choose between a chippered sword and a severed limb, well you could always buy a new blade.
@leoghigu I'm sorry, but you don't know that much about weaponry in general it seems. It would take an uncanny amount of force to break another sword, even a bastard sword hitting a rapier, it would be unlikely for the rapier to snap. Also, the jian is not a super thin sword, my lightest jian (which is the lightest they would ever get traditionally) is a 1/8 inch thick at the base and 1/16 near the tip. It is able to take blows if used properly.
@Teyobi While I admit your reasoning for modern weapons, the steel and smelting process used when they were actually drawn in anger were... inferior compared to modern standards. I agree that it takes a great deal of strength to actually break a sword, even if there are some who can hit with close to 200kg force in a chop. But remember that an actual's soldier sword is thinned by permanent sharpening and it's structure is weakened by constant use. It is possible that such a sword would break.
@leoghigu how can a katana break or bend a Jian? First of all Katana can't break a Jian for sure, even bending one is impossible, becuz the Jian actually springs back
@canadianfirzen But in reality swords were not frequently used for parry other blades.
See the above fight.
Swords were expensive for an average wielder and quality even more so. Constant nicks and sharpening takes it's toll on the blade, so you wouldn't go out of your way to weaken them if you can help it. Price aside, breaking your blade in battle? Really bad. Shields and dodging was the way to go.
Not that they didn't do it. A nick on your sword is preferable to disarming. Or dislegging.
@leoghigu actually, when a katana comes in contact with anything thats as hard or harder than itself, microscopic flakes of steel peel off of the blade, instead of chipping.
@aaronvespro Actually a katana will chip just like any sword when it comes into contact with something harder than itself. What really determines to what degree the blade will be damaged is the heat treat. If the edge of the blade is made too hard it will be brittle and it will chip. If it's too soft the edge will roll.
There's a great deal of misconceptions regarding the Japanese sword but it is just that, a sword. No better or worse than any other, just different.
Not exactly. Japanese swords where very expensive indeed as the iron ore is scarce. The Japanese footmen whore yari (lances) and many poor samurai used the boken. Chinese and Europeans had no problems getting iron ore and there was a forging technique that made it possible to forge dead cheap swords out of preformed ingots of iron of any quality. There where of course the swords made for the elite of superior (or intermediate) quality.
@canadianfirzen 1) You're thinking high-quality steel. Not every jian was made as such. Too hard and it will break. Too soft and it will bend. 2) Even high-quality has a maximum point of springing back (but usually when you reach that point, you also reach the flesh behind the blade).
Oh, and that's for actual medieval period battle weapons. Modern replicas, made with modern materials and infrequently used in training and exhibition matches though? You would be absolutely right.
@leoghigu (1) I am talking about Jian in general, the Jian usually have high quality steel at the edge, and softer steel in the ridge, so basically it would be pretty hard to break it. (2) the truth is u can't really bend Jian to a point of breaking by a Katana, it is merely a myth. (3) modern replicas using modern material doesn't neccessarily mean it is better than actual medieval period weapons.
@JKFDDSY2009 Your right bro, they only believe what the media tell's them. They fell to go out and do the research them selfs and that's pretty sad. The kantana like any other sword had only one purpous and you know as well as I what that is. These kids today don't understand that...they don't understand that. All swords/axes/knifes/daggers...used back in their day in the ultimate fight for survival was a serious killing machine and not a toy.
The way that Katana is praised in the western world is incredibly biased. Most of those Katana fans make their judgment based on animes and pop cultures and seldom has much knowledge about blades/weapons.
I am not trying to start a fight or trying to convince people that katanas suck but I AM laughing at those spoiled american teenagers who believe katana is invincible just because they've watched Ninja Turtle, Ronin Kenshi, Seven Samurai, or...you name it.
@DarthChuckwa lol, i know right. like u i believe that the katana is'nt or was the ultimate sword. I mean I like katanas....i own 4 of um. But I wanna get my hands on a good jain. to me a blade is a blade it is'nt the weapon that makes the man...lol.
@dthelonelyone That's my opinion exactly. I like katanas, but they don't deserve all the praise they get. All swords have their merits, and they were all good at doing what they were designed to do.
@JohanStarDragon i feel ya man. yeah, it's not the weapon. i saw a docu on here about the kantana's history. they compaired the European strait sword to the japanese katana. and their conclusion was that the strait sword was a lame weapon. and that u were more likely to knock your enemy down then to kill him with a single blow. those egg heads don't know. they didn't live back then. the strait sword had to be affective . i'm sure during the middle ages a lot of ppl died.
stupid documentary
Jintastic81 3 months ago
The Jian didn't have its edges sharpened? Is that what the guy said? Huh. That seems odd.
ContradictoryNature 3 months ago
japanese katana and chinese jiang taught by americans. Not interested.
Rowanffe 3 months ago
@Rowanffe Cuz no Japanese or Chinese people live and teach in America. x)
Ziserain 3 months ago
Placing myself into such a duel, I guess I would not use strength positions or katas, but rather, like the soft style Kojosho, use more fluid and flick moves and keep my Katana out there to interrupt that "dance" and for quick jabs when openings presented themselves. Every time the katana swordsman does a power move, he is wide open.
MrLotharofhillpeople 3 months ago
"hand-held guillotine?" LOL As much as I like Katanas, I have to say that is false especially compared to the hacking power of European Broadswords. Now THOSE are hand-held guillotines :D
ultimatedirtclod 3 months ago
@ultimatedirtclod Kilij, nuff said.
Ziserain 3 months ago
@ultimatedirtclod When you consider the edge placed on some of histories finest constructed Katana's compare them to surgical tools is a better comparison.
The show is "right" about some things but also very misleading in other ways. :/
OMFGHUGEWOLF 2 months ago
@OMFGHUGEWOLF "surgical tool" yeah that sounds about right...except its probably a scalpel for giants LOL And yeah i agree. the stuff they say can be misleading. Let's just keep in mind that this is a "show". So it's meant to entertain and "wow" us :D
ultimatedirtclod 2 months ago
This is shit documentary they haven't got a fucking clue what there are talking about!
chrisgeorgegray 4 months ago
The katana is heavier than the jian and if the katana hits the jian it would go flying a few meters and then the samurai would kill the shoalin.
VICTORY!
tarquinogilvie 4 months ago
What the hell is that annoying clicking noise?
madmaninahole 4 months ago
i hate swords that wobble ... its so unpredictable
blink180heights 5 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
I can't believe discovery pulled something like this off...First this guy doesn't know how to use a katana, or even grip it right. Second, all modern Chinese Wushu is not meant for combat but for performance/exercise. Third, those double edged straight swords have not been used in actual battle for about 2000 years in China due to its disadvantage. Since then It's always been a symbol of power and self defense when everything else failed.
StraysSylveri 5 months ago
Chinese is Better than most
japanese is Inexperienced
DRAGONCHUN 5 months ago
this guy is not using korea kenjutsu style dude , you didn't undertand the video and most of you don't have any idea what you guys are talking about, the man was defending and block all the attacks from the jian becuase the jian are more light than katana we can't compare them if we are talking about speed, and any steel if they are sharp and using in a expert hand can kill someone, you guys watch alot of japoneses anime and movies and i can comfirt than you didn't try the jian before.
MrTheking350 6 months ago
thai blade very
sagonlapat 6 months ago
Jeez guys, really? If you're fast enough you can use a spoon and defeat your opponent, armed or not.
windtwist 6 months ago
You have to love some of the comments..Everyone tries to be smart but only few know what they talk about.
Blackwing024 6 months ago
Problem is with katana, you leave too much open when you raise to strike. Plus its harder to block stabs than slashes.
frogger832 8 months ago
And so it is, katana could deliver more power than sword(sometimes breakin it for low qualities) because its balance point is shifted to the center of the blade, but making it slower than sword. The saber is better in power, however is much more slower than katana, and needs more energy to use it. I personally prefer katana, cuz it is easier to use since i dont hav the strength to wield a saber, and my wrist is not strong enough to achieve max speed and agility of the sword.
lightsaberyou 8 months ago
Well, in chinese, Saber(dao) is defined as one-bladed weapon, and sword(jian) is defined as double-bladed weapon, regardless of its size and shape. So we called katana japanese saber, which is actually a combination of Chinese Sword and Saber. Chinese Saber is broader and heavier for its power, and sword is lighter and narrower for its speed and swiftness.(Its balance point is just above the hilt, so if you turn your wrist only, the fellow's tip covers a wide area in spilt seconds)
lightsaberyou 8 months ago
I'm not impressed by this, and anything that considers one style of sword "the ultimate sword" is absurd. Each style was a particular culture's (or subculture's) answer to a particular set of problems at a particular time (availability of materials, types of armor in use, size and strength of users, philosophy of use, etc.). Katana worship is so beyond tired, and shows a lack of knowledge or academic rigor in the sword arts. Others are right, it's more the fighter than the sword.
stizzorm 9 months ago
Yeah, the katana is better, BUT, the girl with the jian is HOT, total win, the jury has decided
runlevel0 9 months ago
@runlevel0 are you basing this on anime? or maybe some real experience such as...jianshu vs kendo? i hope so....
ShuyuKoukin 8 months ago
its like asking what's batter ? a sniper our a bazuka ?
but the real question is what are you going to use it against ?
a tank our a guy sitting in his chair a mile away ?
they cross skills more than they do blades is what my sensei likes to say.
FFomegAAA 10 months ago
this guy is using korean style kenjutsu. japanese style uses less blocking. japanese swordsman would have striked right away without messing around with blocking
aaronvespro 10 months ago
i cant believe their treating the jian like its a smallsword, which, is quite possibly, aside from the estoc, the ONLY sword that cant make proper cuts, all it can so is make quick slashes by draging the tip across your opponent.
the jian slashes cuts slices AND chops.
elgostine 1 year ago 2
hey foster.........you suck.....
Vikingman889 1 year ago
I think it is not easy for the woman to block the full power attack of the katana, she doesn't have enough strength.
FeelFree3 1 year ago
Btw, what means "Jian", I remember that the former President o' China was called Jian Ze Ming.
I prefer Jian, but I think that Western knight sword is the better. If you know how to you a jian, you can aply the same movements to a Western 1h sword.
CRTVBR 1 year ago
@CRTVBR Jian is the word for "sword" in Chinese.
Oh, and the guy's name is Jiang Ze Min, you got the first pingying and last pingying's "g" reversed XD
TheZerosabre 1 year ago
you can survive from cut of chiness blade but not from katana
armaiuran 1 year ago
@armaiuran how do u know about that? Without armor u die either way... With leather armor u probably die from Kanata, but the Chin blade is mainly used for thrusting, so u die from it too. Besides the Jian is not really used on battle field it is used in martial art, if u want to compare blades u better use a battle field blade vs. the katana
canadianfirzen 1 year ago
@armaiuran stupid...u don't even know that is the katana is copied of Chinese Tang Sword in Tang Dynasty...do you research..dude
Mreleezy 1 year ago
@Mreleezy just fuck off chiness pig head
armaiuran 1 year ago
Being shirtless for this is kind of strange... Why not wear the traditional hakama?
TheTerrorUforgot 1 year ago
this would be one hell of a fight in real life.the katana could chop someone in half if he didnt get stabbed a few times.
trialsrider001 1 year ago
the problem is its a Modern Wushu person using the Jian. They learn flashy moves and little or no application. Jian in the hands of a skilled swordsman is deadlier thatn katana. Katana is more hack n slash and thus a easier weapon to train on. They would have been better off comparing a katana vs a Chinese Saber.
Bowser666 1 year ago
@Bowser666 Yes should have been Tang Dao vs Katana, or Niuweidao vs Katana
Seres1091 1 year ago
@Bowser666
The problem is not modern wu shu person. All the movements of a jian tao lu are of some application, but some o' them are deception movements, other movements are trusts, cuts or defenses.
CRTVBR 1 year ago
There is a shortcoming to 武術' I'd describe as "dance-like" moves. Too energy intensive and often impractical. Sooner than later, many matches will come to blows and blocks. It's highly doubtful that Imperial troops actually trained in full 武術 for combat. It boils down to sorting the excessive elements out of 武術 while keeping the practical moves.
Never forget; however, that it is the artist, not the art that should judged. ***
hsuboi 1 year ago 7
@hsuboi i often wonder if sans wushu if the practical elements of block parry and thrust were used like the rapier by the average person
wushu, wudang, jianfa, baguazhang are all nice and fine methods for dueling but in a battle i think it'd be used just like a long gladius
1x93cm 1 year ago
@1x93cm well, sort of, at least from my background in 少林's perspective. Ideally, and logically, a thin blade with a tapered end is best suited for stabbing. I've no professional exposure to the rigid conducts of 16-17th C European fencing; so I can't answer your question in full.
If the movie 霍元甲(Fearless) is in your head. Try to think in terms of block/parry/striking free from rules you learned, but to how your training equips you to react to situations thrown at you.
hsuboi 1 year ago
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hsuboi 1 year ago
@hsuboi i agree
dthelonelyone 1 year ago
@hsuboi 說的對， 可是， 兄弟我覺得你忘記東西, it is just like in football. If you see e.g. Ronaldinho or other players, they do a lot of artistic stuff, mostly during demos & practice, but not that much during matches. This, I call it, flowering, enhances your knowledge about what you can & cannot do & can help enhance your control over your body and your instrument& align these, may it be a football, basketball, a sword, spear or whatever. Therefore I do not consider them useless to learn to a certain degree.
GaolisVideoLog 1 year ago
@hsuboi what we usually see in Wushu demonstration is only for show... These moves comes from the practice of body control.. And when in real fights, the techniques usually simplifies and become more efficient. Like SanShou
lixixsean 1 year ago 2
@hsuboi obviously you have not seen real martial arts, those "dance moves" are used to train and to make the practitioner to understand the philosophy of a certain style of kungfu. the best example of this is the taichi fist or sword style when u see people practicing its slow soft and harmless but if a real master convert those dance move philosophies into real combat it breaks bones.
obsidianstatue 5 months ago
@hsuboi you misunderstand the reasons of those movements. chinese swordmen and spear men like to slice tendons and ligaments by the wrist and knees. Second the military use the two handed jian which is better suited for heavy blows that can match a katana. just like the raipier vs the large swords of old.Lastly that's modern wu shu athlete. they act more on performance than for app. my instructor studied both fencing and chinese jian. he says they are almost the same.
cfG21 2 months ago
they coulda atleast got a japanese guy instead of a weaboo
1x93cm 1 year ago
@1x93cm lol
dthelonelyone 1 year ago
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hsuboi 1 year ago
@1x93cm OI! That's Bren Foster man! World Tae Kwon Do Champion!!!
hsuboi 1 year ago
i think the straight long blade would have more and advantage of poking and stabbing
1x93cm 1 year ago 4
@1x93cm kinda hard to say
dthelonelyone 1 year ago
From my experience, harder on the wrists. Also harder on the blade , in how it transfers/diverts force of shock when performing cuts and slashes. But you're right i terms of more precise stabs though.
hsuboi 1 year ago
@hsuboi well thats what its for- stabbing
slashes are only meant to wound or disable so its not like katana which is really a glorified two handed machete
1x93cm 1 year ago
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hsuboi 1 year ago
@1x93cm not just the poking and stabbing but also cutting too-plus its double sided..and less lighter than a katana. so my opinion the best weapon would be the jian but it really depends on the user and what they make out of their weapons.
ShuyuKoukin 8 months ago
In the end it's all about WHO is better, not WHAT. They cross skills more then blades
Rissako 1 year ago 13
@Rissako say word
dthelonelyone 1 year ago
@Rissako most def
dthelonelyone 1 year ago
It's kinda funny as I make all the weaboos have their panties caught up in a bunch.
kamikazeroniner 1 year ago
@kamikazeroniner Aha, I agree mate. Fuckin weaboos think katanas are the ultimate bladed weapon out there.
nickolaslai 1 year ago
@nickolaslai most def, the katana was just a tool like every other bladed weapon.
dthelonelyone 1 year ago
wtf put on a shirt lol
SyNFuLCreations 1 year ago
@SyNFuLCreations lol, ur off the chain.
dthelonelyone 1 year ago
@dthelonelyone what?
SyNFuLCreations 1 year ago
@SyNFuLCreations ment that was funny.
dthelonelyone 1 year ago
@dthelonelyone oh xD
SyNFuLCreations 1 year ago
@SyNFuLCreations it's all good
dthelonelyone 1 year ago
One strike one kill on an unarmored foe... armor renders it nearly useless..
kamikazeroniner 1 year ago
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kamikazeroniner 1 year ago
Oh dear a wapanese/fanboi with a Katana, to be honest a straight thrust with a Jian will put an end to any Katana fanboi..
kamikazeroniner 1 year ago
@kamikazeroniner no. when the chinese guy starts spinning his sword and thinks it's a movie the samrai will either
A: throw his wakizashi at him.
B: slice his head of
1bol1 1 year ago
@1bol1 you prove my point like all the katana weaboos. Besides people jacking off to Ruroni Kenshin/7 Samurai series rather than trying be rational. Besides both of those moves you suggested are rather retarded in particular. to be honest katana is not meant to take repeated blows unlike your wet fantasies as the typical japanophile imagines.
kamikazeroniner 1 year ago
@kamikazeroniner what is ruroni kenshin?. not all katana enthusiasts are anime nerds. a jian is not ment to take reapeted blows either. a the spine of a katana's flexible it can take blows. but samurai weren't idiots, they didn't bash their sword together. it was one cut one kill. if you missed, you're fucked
1bol1 1 year ago
While it is true that the skill of the users usually count more then the weapons, a katana can break or bend a jian, making the jian user waste stamina by having to 'dance' throughout the mach because his inability to parry a katana's strong swings. Also, while I mostly agree that it's not good for the blade in a long run to bash a sword against another, it wasn't that uncommon. After all if you have to choose between a chippered sword and a severed limb, well you could always buy a new blade.
leoghigu 1 year ago
@leoghigu I'm sorry, but you don't know that much about weaponry in general it seems. It would take an uncanny amount of force to break another sword, even a bastard sword hitting a rapier, it would be unlikely for the rapier to snap. Also, the jian is not a super thin sword, my lightest jian (which is the lightest they would ever get traditionally) is a 1/8 inch thick at the base and 1/16 near the tip. It is able to take blows if used properly.
Teyobi 1 year ago
@Teyobi But I do admit that I was actually thinking of a broadsword when I wrote this.
leoghigu 1 year ago
@Teyobi While I admit your reasoning for modern weapons, the steel and smelting process used when they were actually drawn in anger were... inferior compared to modern standards. I agree that it takes a great deal of strength to actually break a sword, even if there are some who can hit with close to 200kg force in a chop. But remember that an actual's soldier sword is thinned by permanent sharpening and it's structure is weakened by constant use. It is possible that such a sword would break.
leoghigu 1 year ago
@leoghigu how can a katana break or bend a Jian? First of all Katana can't break a Jian for sure, even bending one is impossible, becuz the Jian actually springs back
canadianfirzen 1 year ago
@canadianfirzen But in reality swords were not frequently used for parry other blades.
See the above fight.
Swords were expensive for an average wielder and quality even more so. Constant nicks and sharpening takes it's toll on the blade, so you wouldn't go out of your way to weaken them if you can help it. Price aside, breaking your blade in battle? Really bad. Shields and dodging was the way to go.
Not that they didn't do it. A nick on your sword is preferable to disarming. Or dislegging.
leoghigu 1 year ago 13
@leoghigu and u r absolutely rite about how to properly use a sword
canadianfirzen 1 year ago
@leoghigu actually, when a katana comes in contact with anything thats as hard or harder than itself, microscopic flakes of steel peel off of the blade, instead of chipping.
aaronvespro 10 months ago
@aaronvespro Actually a katana will chip just like any sword when it comes into contact with something harder than itself. What really determines to what degree the blade will be damaged is the heat treat. If the edge of the blade is made too hard it will be brittle and it will chip. If it's too soft the edge will roll.
There's a great deal of misconceptions regarding the Japanese sword but it is just that, a sword. No better or worse than any other, just different.
Megdidar 10 months ago
@leoghigu
Not exactly. Japanese swords where very expensive indeed as the iron ore is scarce. The Japanese footmen whore yari (lances) and many poor samurai used the boken. Chinese and Europeans had no problems getting iron ore and there was a forging technique that made it possible to forge dead cheap swords out of preformed ingots of iron of any quality. There where of course the swords made for the elite of superior (or intermediate) quality.
runlevel0 9 months ago
@leoghigu If I'm about to get impaled.. the swords going to have to get dinged.. sorry.
Klaus1386 4 months ago
@leoghigu Actually the knights speciallized in sword binding, and the Japanese have some extensive work in it as well...
TheBloodyBlackJackal 2 months ago
@canadianfirzen 1) You're thinking high-quality steel. Not every jian was made as such. Too hard and it will break. Too soft and it will bend. 2) Even high-quality has a maximum point of springing back (but usually when you reach that point, you also reach the flesh behind the blade).
Oh, and that's for actual medieval period battle weapons. Modern replicas, made with modern materials and infrequently used in training and exhibition matches though? You would be absolutely right.
leoghigu 1 year ago
@leoghigu (1) I am talking about Jian in general, the Jian usually have high quality steel at the edge, and softer steel in the ridge, so basically it would be pretty hard to break it. (2) the truth is u can't really bend Jian to a point of breaking by a Katana, it is merely a myth. (3) modern replicas using modern material doesn't neccessarily mean it is better than actual medieval period weapons.
canadianfirzen 1 year ago
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JKFDDSY2009 1 year ago
@JKFDDSY2009 Your right bro, they only believe what the media tell's them. They fell to go out and do the research them selfs and that's pretty sad. The kantana like any other sword had only one purpous and you know as well as I what that is. These kids today don't understand that...they don't understand that. All swords/axes/knifes/daggers...used back in their day in the ultimate fight for survival was a serious killing machine and not a toy.
dthelonelyone 1 year ago
The way that Katana is praised in the western world is incredibly biased. Most of those Katana fans make their judgment based on animes and pop cultures and seldom has much knowledge about blades/weapons.
I am not trying to start a fight or trying to convince people that katanas suck but I AM laughing at those spoiled american teenagers who believe katana is invincible just because they've watched Ninja Turtle, Ronin Kenshi, Seven Samurai, or...you name it.
JKFDDSY2009 1 year ago
Why the hell does everyone and their mother seem to have such a hard-on for the katana?
DarthChuckwa 1 year ago
@DarthChuckwa lol, i know right. like u i believe that the katana is'nt or was the ultimate sword. I mean I like katanas....i own 4 of um. But I wanna get my hands on a good jain. to me a blade is a blade it is'nt the weapon that makes the man...lol.
dthelonelyone 1 year ago
@dthelonelyone That's my opinion exactly. I like katanas, but they don't deserve all the praise they get. All swords have their merits, and they were all good at doing what they were designed to do.
DarthChuckwa 1 year ago
@dthelonelyone Quite so. In the end it all depends on the skills of the one who wields the weapon.
JohanStarDragon 1 year ago
@JohanStarDragon i feel ya man. yeah, it's not the weapon. i saw a docu on here about the kantana's history. they compaired the European strait sword to the japanese katana. and their conclusion was that the strait sword was a lame weapon. and that u were more likely to knock your enemy down then to kill him with a single blow. those egg heads don't know. they didn't live back then. the strait sword had to be affective . i'm sure during the middle ages a lot of ppl died.
dthelonelyone 1 year ago
@dthelonelyone in front of it. i just like swords all types.
dthelonelyone 1 year ago
@DarthChuckwa cause the watch to much anime
spidlenexor 1 year ago