You have done a lot of research, and I commend you for it. Many university students voted to keep it, even if HST impacted "students" most. Education leads to awareness, and I think people need to educate themselves more before making a choice, instead of using emotion and following the misguided masses.
I voted to keep the HST, but I know so many people who voted against it because "Well, if so many people don't like it, how can it be good?" I facepalmed and proceeded to try and tell them how wrong they were, but it was too late because everyone had already voted. Thanks for fucking us over, you morons. Maybe learn before you vote next time.
I spent a considerable amount of time reading economic papers on Value Added Taxes. I ended up voting no.
The reality is that the tax cut on the business side did not result in a perfect price adjustment to the consumer. This meant that the tax meant a major transfer of benefit to businesses against the benefit to the consumer.
It was the fact that HST was expanded to a whole slew of other products (like restaurant meals) in order to make up the revenue shortfall that angered BC voters.
BC will return to the HST someday, the PST is an old and wasteful tax system built for an economy that does not exist anymore. The egos and ignorance won this battle with the referendum, but the people of BC will see the light someday.
Your argument regarding the HST being proportional is factually incorrect. In fact on necessity items that all consumers by the 12% is proportional (fixed) but the overall amount of income it represents is regressive given that for the wealthier person it represents a smaller amount of the total income than for the larger portion. You are treating it as an income tax instead of a consumption tax.
What you fail to realize is that consumption taxes and income taxes are incompatible.
@Johndefazio You get all of the business tax that you pay back. How can it be costing you double? If that's the way you think it works, then you shouldn't be in business
the PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN... thank Christ they have voted this fucken tax out! My small business tax was double with the HST in place... great for big busibness but the little guy gets fucked up the ass to keep the province afloat, nice video you jerk! Kiss my ass!
@johndefazio The 1 billion a year film industry is leaving Vancouver to go to Ontario now (Since Ontario has an HST and its a non-issue). Explain to me what will happen when Vancouver loses 1 Billion a year? Mass unemployment? You lose your job? Your real estate goes down in value? BC's jobs are mostly from big business....the HST attracted big business away from Ontario
Big business provided your customers with jobs. Now who will be coming in? people on UI?
all this arguing about which method of taxation is "better"..... are you fucking kidding me??!!!! I wish half of you would ask where the fuck is the money really going when you pay your favourite fucking tax!!!! fuck fuck fuck! wake up!!
All this crap about minimum wage jobs and less tax on the poor is stupid, canada is so fucking liberal. Im paying less for my shit now and i dont give a rats ass
Watch the video again, it's clear HST is good for BC. It's not a tax increase, it's a different tax system which is better for people in this province and will attract big business to BC. But now its over. Too bad BC, maybe next time.
The old system of GST/ PST, was better than HST seeing as with GST/ PST, you usually only paid 5% GST as most items you purchased had no PST. The HST has both GST/ PST combined to ultimately form the HST. With HST you paid both taxes on EVERYTHING, ultmately increasing the cost of living. The HST is a business tax. The money business make off of the HST is supposed to be returned to the consumer by lowering in-store prices,but it doesn't happen like that. Horrible tax, bad for consunmers.
@TRIXSTER03 Everything? Last I checked, groceries were HST exempt. I'm talking real food, not Lucky Charms and Pop Tarts. When you look at it that way, all the junk-consuming gluttons of this day and age who desire to live the way they live should have to pay an additional tax anyway. Need to sit in front of your big TV with 2 litres of pop and Doritos, just to end up unhealthy and a strain on the system? Pay more. I'll enjoy my lack of in-store price increases.
i didn't notice anything get lower in price once the hst was implemented
from what i understand, the savings from the elimination of pst compounding goes straight to businesses and i sincerely doubt that they will lower their prices to reflect that change
@darthjader08 And while your at it get some class I doubt your nephew would be proud of you for belittling people about their opinions. Calling people names doesnt further your arguement whatsoever in fact it makes you sound like a 10 year old.
@darthjader08 Lol really I didnt realize that many people worked in the Film industry in BC (obvious exageration). You are talking about fear tactics used by BVZ yet you go forget to talk about the Liberals use of fear tactics, the fear tactics that state that reversing the HST would be an economic disaster and would be costly. The Restaurant industry has been negatively effected by the HST but "That's just an example from ONE industry...
@wellcoboy s'funny....I felt duped for voting for the liberals in 2003, I despise Gordon Campbell (in fact I think I want to kill him), I hate the B.C. liberals, and yet I voted to keep the HST. No, the GST and PST didn't hurt us yet, BUT, the HST will make things even better for us.....I'm in favour of more money coming into our province from low impact industries, I'm in favour of having a thriving film industry here, I'm in favour of a brighter future outlook for my nephew, etc. etc., you?
THANK YOU....I've been waiting for someone to post something like this, too bad I didn't come across it earlier, posting it on fb now will bear little effect on how all my contacts vote.
I voted no, not only for the film industry, but for the future of my nephew.
Nice video, i don't know why everyone is hating on it, cause i looked up the errors in Mr. Zalm's study and pretty much everything you said was proven to be fact. I started off thinking HST was stupid and its just another way for rich companies to distance themselves financially from the poor, like they do in America. But after reading a bunch of articles and actually learning about the HST impacts, I've changed my mind to pro HST. The money will be making BC a better place to live.
Dear Six7Films: Why did you say you are voting Yes to the HST while showing sign that says "Vote Yes to HST"? There are some folks that made signs to modify the signs put up in opposition to the tax, Chris; it is something already in practice. A lot of people just want to put a dent in G-Cam's legacy... did you make any videos for his other lies that people tried to act against? It is a shame the ballot is not more to the point. Personally I'd rather see this cloak n' dagger tax deleted.
@MrBollockstoyou he said he's voting to keep the hst, i.e. vote "no". You're right, the way it was implemented was not the greatest, but the HST is not in fact a "cloak & dagger" tax, it is very straight forward, the HST is a very positive thing for our economy.
@seebooze Correction I despise BIG business because they have done nothing besides seek to increase their bottom line, they dont care at all about the burden that the HST will impose on consumers. Basically it is just a very large tax shift from businesses onto the backs of the consumer. But in exchange for this burden British Columbians were supposed to see an increase in job creation and lower prices from businesses which still has yet to occur.
@ILuckyCharmsI uhhhh....it has occurred???? How many hundreds of thousands of people have been working more thanks to the increased film industry thanks to the HST? That's just an example from ONE industry...
@ILuckyCharmsI Ever noticed that world-wide prices of commodities have skyrocketed in the past year? The increase in prices in BC is in line with the avg increase in Canada. The biggest price increased items are fuel (still only subject to the 5% HST) and restaurant meals. If you take those two things out of the equation, the net increase in BC is actually among the lowest in all of Canada
@mvems Sorry I wasnt aware that people as "informed" as you lack the ability to detect sarcasm. Why do you give such a crap about signs? Are there not thousands of election signs posted throughout Vancouver come provincial/municipal/federal election time? Are those unlawful? In the end the HST was designed for big business to keep more money in its pockets.
@ILuckyCharmsI You seem to despise business. You must realize that a large portion of BC's economy is small businesses. HST helps small and big alike.
As to why comments are not allowed it probably has something to do with the fact that they lack the capital to spread their ideas like the Liberals on tv 24 hours a day. You are merely trying to villainize HSTinBCfacts for safeguarding its commenting section from people like you who dont want them to spread a message they dont agree with. People who would steal or vandalize anti HST signs. That said I dont blame them for protecting their already limited avenues of getting their message out.
I say it again, there is a much better chance of Businesses passing on the Tax savings to consumers in the form of lower prices then under the GST/PST system. As with PST, it is such a hassle for Businesses to get back the PST they paid on input costs that by the time they receive their PST rebates, it's unlikely they would pass the savings on to their customers. All these HST opponents care nothing about our economy, let alone understand anything about economics. Numerous independent studies h
@andy77718 Your faith in businesses is amusing I have yet to see any business reduce their prices since the introduction of the HST. In fact I have seen the opposite of that, everything seems to be getting more expensive. While it is true the HST does save big businesses money the chances of the money trickling down to everyone else is still relatively slim.
Okay I just want to summarize all of this for those people out there who just aren't listening or thinking clearly. The HST removes hidden taxation in the price of goods, if we were to go back to the old GST/PST System, we would still be paying inflated prices because the PST is hidden in the price you pay. There is no way of removing the hidden PST under the PST system. At least with HST, it takes the hidden taxation out at every level, so there is a better chance of businesses lowering there
Here is something interesting: this video allows comments pro and con. The anti-HST videos, the so called HSTinBCfacts, are allowing no comments to be posted which support the HST. So much for fairness and debate. When a campaign is afraid and shuts down any dissent, you know they are trying to get by with false claims and twisted logic.
@mvems Here is something interesting there are alot more comments which are against the HST then for it. So much for homefield advantage. Poor Liberals too bad they didnt have the money or resources to make a bunch of commercials too counteract the overwhelming media blitz by the anti hst movement...... *sigh so much for fairness and debate.
@ILuckyCharmsI Thankyou for proving my point. Here we all are debating under a pro-HST video because the anti-HST videos do not allow debate. Why? Because, unlike this video, they have no substance. They are simply wild statements not based on facts. They would crumble into dust if comments were allowed. I am no friend of the Liberals, did not even vote for them. A lot of the support for HST is coming from people like me, who are deciding by facts and reason, not by any political bias.
@mvems Alot of people like you are A) LOVE big buisiness B) Are to easily influenced by TV. Do you honestly believe everything that these commercials say? All they utilize is mere fear tactics to sway the weaker and less informed members of the public. These commercials are designed to be misleading and only present vague statements that would make their postion more attractive ex The HST will be decreased to 10% (In 3 years, if we get elected again and if we decide to keep our promise.)
@ILuckyCharmsI A) I have no interest or liking for big business. B) I do not watch TV, do not even own a TV. And just a minute, didn't you recently describe the anti-HST campaign as an "overwhelming media blitz"? Good thing that I avoided being misinformed and misled by all the anti-HST commercials. I HAVE seen illegal anti-HST signs littering city parks in Vancouver. What a cynical desperate strategy. That does not impress law-abiding citizens.
@mvems Here is something interesting there are alot more comments which are against the HST then for it. So much for homefield advantage. Poor Liberals too bad they didnt have the money or resources to make a bunch of commercials too counteract the overwhelming media blitz by the anti hst movement...... *sigh so much for fairness and debate.
The anti-HST campaign have been littering Vancouver parks and public property with their signs. They thumb their nose at the city bylaw. I never trusted Bill VanderZalm much before to tell a straight story. Now the lawless anti-HST folks have lost any credibility. I am voting to keep the HST.
@Plasmoid2 - even if that's true, and housing rebates (FOR A PORTION) of the costs will be provided, it's still an increase. 8K dollars IS significant. Oh and no way are new homes becoming cheaper. In fact, if you look at new homes costs in 2009, 2010, and 2011 you'll see a steady increase. More than that, you'll see a steep increase in homes constructed post HST because of the increases in costs to tradesmen. Developer might get a break on some of the material (MAYBE), but ...
Yeah but, the problem is that those politicians we supposedly hate that supposedly occasionally do something good, typically don't. Vignette of Bush SAYING their nation gave 15$billion for AIDS care doesn't make it so - and it didn't.
HST is a usurpation of the individual Provinces' exclusive right to taxation as it ought to be. That is the only reason needed to extinguish the HST. That VAT's have been proven conclusively around the world to decrease living standard is a big #2 reason.
You carbon lifeforms better get used to your carbon taxes and all you good goyim keep paying your kosher taxes. In Canada our masters from a race chosen by god himself to decide for us, have blessed us with a new harmony tax. May Christ forgive what the leftover christians do to the human parasites when they awaken from their state.
@Six7Films you're a law student? do you know that the fees you'll be charging clients when you finish will now be subjected to the HST as opposed to just the PST like it was before? Just like pretty much EVERY other service? Maybe there needs to be changes to the the taxes, but the HST is not the answer. Vote YES to remove the HST, folks.
@Plasmoid2 - I think everyone knows that. The point is Six7Films assumes that no one he knows is going to buy "new shrink wrapped" homes so it's a non issue. I was pointing out that if you go outside of Vancouver you can get NEW homes for reasonable prices - I've seen new construction for 100K. Hell, even 400K is a reasonable price for a young couple with two incomes. Now their tax burden on that property is outrageous!
@sydewinderify - Actually, the tax burden isn't that bad. It's only around $8K more than it was before because of housing rebates on a $400K home. So it's 2% effectively. Additionally, all the baked in PST is now gone, so the price of new homes will fall.
...... After his defeat he disappeared for awhile and now suddenly here he is again, looking to stir up trouble, do you really think that just a coincidence?? No one is trying to scapegoat Bill Vander Zalm because he is the villain in the whole HST saga. He is appealing to the younger generations who have no idea who he is but fir those of us who remember his time in government remember just how bad a premier he was!!! .....
@andy77718 I belive that andy77718 is getting the question confused, the question is not do you hate Bill Vander Zalm? The question is do you think the HST is a bad idea for the province?
Say what you want about the HST, I really don't care that much if your for or against it, but don't become a pawn in Bill Vander Zalm's political game. For him, this whole "fight HST" campaign is just a way of getting back at the Liberals because the Liberals were born out of his old Social Credit Party which he destroyed. He tried to cone back several times in the 90's but everyone remembered how much of an idiot he was and was defeated in the provincial election........
One more thing - you say (8:00) that "...neither I, nor anyone I know, nor the average British Columbian are likely to buy a brand new shrink-wrapped home in the near future ..." I have a question for you. Do you know that there are more places to live than Vancouver? You can buy new homes, condos, apartments ...etc for reasonable prices elsewhere. But if I buy a 100K dollar condo (which is reasonable for a lower middle class person) I now pay $12K in taxes rather than $5K.
Also you look at that "list" of items and services that are increasing in price and cherry pick the obscure and ignore the common. You point at the horse boarding and lifejackets, but ignore the rest.
Further, you say, "I don't know anyone who is spending more than 3K on previous PST exempt things." Well, I suggest you get more friends. I'll just go back to trades here, who do you think requires the most repairs to their homes? the poor or the rich? hmmm....
dear six7films, I live in British Columbia and you are really starting to piss me off. You make a lot of assumptions about the HST and assumptions about BC-ers being ill-informed and that you're here, with your sparkly law and economics degree to set us straight.
You don't seem to see that basically every service has increased in price. Tradesmen will suffer, and have been suffering b/c of the HST. Are tradesmen counted in your "rich pay the lion's share" argument?
I love returning to see the comments under this video.. hahah
Anyone see The Province 07/20 letters?
One was "It's undemocratic" saying that the HST vote isn't about whether the tax is good or bad, it's about allowing government to act undemocratically. LOL
So many people bad at the Liberals, their willing to throw thier senses aside.
Hey all you HST-haters. Here's something CHEAPER under the HST: DIAPERS
Under the old GST/PST system, they were taxed at 12%, whereas they're now taxed at 5% (federal portion)
Assuming an average cost of $2500 in diapers over 2 years, that's $175 less taxes paid under the HST. Are you going to make the parents of every newborn in the province cough up an extra $175? You bastards!
My son is 12 years old and 5'6" 155lbs my daughter is 13 and is also adult sized so their clothes cost more than the little 14 year old accross the street. That's fair. I guess I will by all their clothes in Bellingham, come to think of it I'll buy my groceries there too and might as well fill up the gas tank while I'm there. That's good for BC.
Dear 7000bc7, I am 6'7" (hence Six7Films) and have been so since I was around sixteen. I had hoped that people would be able to understand when I was making a joke. I was wrong.
But your joke is stated in precisely the same way as the rest of the arguments in your video - adversarially - and thus I can understand why 7000bc7 might not appreciate it.
I'm not saying you don't have good points to make, but you're taking the same approach as both HSTinBC and FightHST did - ignoring important facts in favour of knocking the other guy's tactics.
The HST is not THE answer, it's AN answer. The government will have to find a BETTER answer now..
I hear that you'd really like people to be more informed about politics and make choices based on facts and research rather than partisan rhetoric. However I firmly believe that the government is supposed to do the will of the people, not the other way around.
I hear that you'd really like people to be more informed about politics and make choices based on facts and research rather than partisan rhetoric. However I firmly believe that the government is supposed to do the will of the people, not the other way around.
@nerwinnej Huh? I guess you didn't catch the sarcastic intonation in my words. I agree with your first point, and on your second point, I'm undecided. It's more of a symbiotic relationship, where the government should do what the people want, but people aren't often educated enough to realize that the government is doing things in their best interest. For example, people don't understand all the implications of tax policy and too often focus on the short term.
@7000bc7 it's a well known fact that proponents of the HST are generally obese, flannel-packing, beer-chugging NDP/Conservative government supporters who don't know the first thing about progressive, socialist government policy regardless of how much they applaud its ideals. Tax like this is a cornerstone and all I see are penny-pinchers who want money for the things they want, not the things they need.
Also, if your kids are that fat, perhaps you wouldn't mind choking up the HST you'd pay on a nutritionist or naturopathic visit. Maybe try buying some real, HST exempt groceries and skip the Lucky Charms that turned them into little chunkers in the first place. Just saying.
@Moonstruckwt First of all, proponents are supporters, so the 45% who voted to keep the HST would be the proponents. Secondly, my children are tall, muscular, intelligent, athletic individuals and if you think that by insulting them that I am offended, you are sadly mistaken. You have only shown the rest of us your lack of class. "Just saying."
1. gordon campbell is EVil and almost EVERYTHING he has done IS EVIL .. so we rightfully have major distrust issues with ANYTHING he has done. quoteing a decision someone in Bush's administration did is not a argument.
2. economies are built on middle class people with money in hand spending it.. NOT business's having more money. Bottom line, hst represents less taxes for business, more taxes for consumer.
3. we need more of a authority on how much actualy compounding pst is actually happening.
Also scrapping the HST is going to put a 3,000,000 dollar hole in the provincial budget, money that is going to have to be recouped through RAISED INCOME TAXES, so if you didn't like paying Taxed before you are sure as he'll going to pay through the nose Togo back to the old system of GST/ PST!!!
I support the HST and to all those who want to scrap it... Do you not realize that going back to the old GST + PST system is no better. Businesses may or may not pass on the savings BUT under the old GST/PST system there is absolutely no way businesses will pass on any savings because there is none, so your still paying inflated prices because the PST is hidden in the price. At least under HST there is a better chance they will pass on HST savings. Also, if a business decided to pocket the savi
well coming from someone who has seen the businesses make more and not pass on the saving, but even trimming their work force hours and instead invest in new equipment and ads .it makes me sick to thing that this will have a positive impact on people. I myself has already spent more on food cost alone this year. so yes the HST does impact people. I will vote yes to get ride of it. because greedy business owners and company's will not pass on the saving they will just raise their prices make more
@MrAlicklee "because greedy business owners and company's will not pass on the saving"
Why is the money better in your hands than businesses? You don't employ people, you don't provide families with food, you don't fuel economy. Sounds like your the greedy one.
@teknokracy it does and fyi its in the restaurants that cost more. my food does cost more. you cant say it doesnt because you dont know what i eat or where. so know your facts before commenting on my comment!
The problem that you don't understand is that the HST is saving BUSINESSES money by reducing their costs but this reduction is NOT going to trickle down to the consumer. The business owner is going to KEEP the profits.
You showed one business in your other video that sells "marine floatation devices" who lowered their prices. The majority of people are more concerned about GROCERY prices, HOUSE prices, and GOODS. These prices have NOT come down.
@adrianlim118 I've said this so many times. Things that cost less to produce sell for less. Simple enough? So if the cost to produce a good or service is reduced because the business recieves HST rebates, that saving will generally be passed along unless there is no competition in that industry.
@Van123Man Businesses are going to allocate savings to issues their business is facing prior to applying them to price drops. The remainder left to apply to a price drop is so insignificant it would be idiotic in a competitive market to drop your price so slightly when others can mimic and the overall result is less profits for everyone. Most imported commercial goods are exempt from HST which means they pay 5% GST like before, so they are actually not saving anything under HST.
@Van123Man Please, "generally passed along" my ass. If I'm a farmer and all of a sudden I get to earn more money while charging the same, don't tell me I'll pass the savings onto the consumers. Don't forget inflation, the rising cost of gas/oil to operate machinery.
@curious007cur first of all, yes, there has been an increase in employment, and second you're insanely short sighted if you expect to see a noticeable increase in permanent full time jobs within one year of the implementation of the hst...
I'd just like to point out that when Bill Vander Zalm was premier of B.C. we had the weakest economy in ALL of North America, not just including all 10 provinces but also 50 U.S States too.
Also I just want to point out that Bill Vander zalm took thousands of dollars from B.C Families when he introduced Property Transfer Tax... a Tax that was unnecessary & is nothing more then a cash grab for the province. Repeal Property Transfer Tax
It amazes me how well done and informative this video was & yet people still want to argue. People are being swept up in Bill Vander Zalms raint & I bet you most people ever never heard of him until this whole Anti-HST fiasco. Bill Vander Zalm was the WORST premier in B.C. History
Excellent work Six7Films, I am against the former Cambell government for different reasons (environmental) but I can obviously see you have done your homework. I am pursuing an economics degree myself.
I would like to hear from you if possible - the winners and losers from changing the HST back to the PST. My thought is that small businesses who didn't have PST apply to them lose to the HST, while pensioners and people who need government assistence win.
@Quelthias I am a tax lawyer. You are basically right. Certain businesses like restaurants were exempt from PST and are subject to HST. They lose if people will eat out less. People who spend more (which is generally high income earners) will lose when they buy previously exempt items. People who earn less than $100K are better off because they get a tax credit which offsets the extra costs of living. BC loses because it has to now pay the cost of collecting the PST and repay 1.6B
Dear Six7Films. My name is Assimilate. I live in BC and you are really starting to piss me off about this whole HST thing. My main arguement is that you try to come off as a concerned citizen that just slapped together this video in your spare time. Being that the video is 15 minutes long and packed with selective counter-arguements designed solely to discredit the FightHST movement you make it painfully obvious that you are nothing more than a Liberal spokesperson hiding behind a pseudonym.
@Assimilate71 Dear Assimilate. I AM just a concerned citizen that slapped this video together in my spare time. If you've seen me in the HST debate forms in either UBC or downtown Vancouver, or seen any of my TV appearances or listened to any of my radio interviews, you'd realize that I'm not a planted liberal hack. Also, the "selective" counter-arguments were only because it would take many, many hours to refute every incorrect thing that FightHST says. And it's not a pseudonym.
Dear Assimilate. You have learned well from Vander Zalm. When you have no intelligent response to the substance of the arguement, attack the person!! Vander Zalm called the guy who made this file a something like a "lawyer guy with no mortgage".
@Six7Films I dont know what is funnier. The fact that you are comparing the HST to Universal Health Care or that you believe Bill Vander Zalm's voice can drown out the incessant Liberal media. All of which is being financed by tax payers who didnt want the HST in the first place. Now thats what I would call irony.
@Six7Films I'm just curious, what credibility do you have on these issues that you have to flaunt your Law degree, and countless interviews both radio and TV appearances?
@Assimilate71 What, so FightHST organizers don't come off as "concerned citizens" who just slapped together a PDF of un-cited and un-researched bite-size bits of information so the masses would understand? Is the FightHST documentation not packed with selective arguments? Should people not be allowed to debate something in your eyes? Oh wait, I forgot. You only want your own opinion to come out on top.
@Assimilate71 Even if he is what you've said, what exactly is wrong with him sharing his opinions on Youtube? And you have not yet made an effective argument against the HST.
Gordon Campbell: "We will not be imposing the HST so, you can vote Liberal" ...a few months later, "Thanks for your vote now here's the HST we're imposing on you." - "The HST will create jobs in BC." ... A year later, "That's odd, the unemployment in BC is uneffected." - "Business' will pass on savings to the consumer."... Today, "Hey! The price of everything in BC is still rising." The HST is nothing more than fuel to eliminate the middle class. It is based on lies told by habitual liars.
@TheDentist27, Wise up. Businesses always pass on costs to consumers, period. If you thing business taxes aren't recouped in product prices you need to go back to school.
@SailingYYC businesses do not always pass down costs to consumers. They can't do that if there are wide profit margins because then a competitor has room to lower their price and out compete.
wow thats the stupidest arguement ever... I never wanted HST in the first place and getting it imposed on me when I was promised I wouldnt have to deal with it is more then enough
So we already pay higher prices for many things in BC (hence the Bring Cash nickname for our province) but then our government thinks it can sneak a tax in that increases our cost of living far more than $44 dollars a year. We should be Ok with this?? Just the fact that they lied and did this in an underhanded way is reason enough to repeal this tax. It's time our government/s learned that they are ACCOUNTABLE to the people.
I don't think it matters much if it is a good or a bad tax. The majority of people will vote yes because they are tired of the liberals trampling democratic process. That is unless the government finds some way to skew the results in their favour.
@davisfamily4 LIBERALS, CONSERVATIVE, NDP, ETC. Doesn't matter - they all are liars. The real issue behind the HST, is not the HST. The issue is politicians that say ONE THING and do another. The HST ballot should read: "Do you think politicians should be aloud to continue to lie and deceive people and get away with it? OR.... Do you think polititcians should go to jail for lying and deceiving?".
I am afraid you are pissing everybody off. You build an entire argument on a series of lies! Starting with No HST election promise, then the revenue neutral lie then the inflated jobs numbers, then to a promised legislated reduction that any fool knows will never come in. And the reduction, my friend have not been legislated. Can’t you tell the truth at least once! Lies my friend, you should give up your present line of studies and take up politics because you get straight A’s for lying.
@rick7675 No, YOU are the one who is lying, it's easy to accuse someone of lying when you base all your "knowledge" on gossip and old stoner hippy stories. If you looked into facts a little, you'd realize he's right, if you looked a little further, you'd realize that the film industry (a $40 billion per year into BC, industry) is as strong as it is thanks to the hst....I'll take the $40 billion coming into my province from a low impact and portable industry thank you very much.
@rick7675 you are (quasi) correct on one aspect though, the manner in which it was implemented (though it didn't happen in the way you state) was less than admirable, however every single other thing you said, was complete bullshit propaganda, you should stop getting stoned and listening to pensioner hippies, and actually do a little research and get a bit of life experience.
@rick7675 Also, it would seem that over 1,000 people disagree with you....could it be because people are, at the last moment, beginning to realize that the HST is, in fact, a positive thing? Could it be because BVZ's bullshit propaganda campaign is finally being realized for the politically infused, evil campaign that it is? Idiots like you (that only get part of the story, then formulate a decision and become passionate about it) should not be allowed to vote, people like you are dangerous.
The big problem is the liberals brought this on us without an explanation, everything done under the table and no voting involved by the public. If this passes expect more of such near the future. VOTE YES.
That's no reason to vote down a perfectly good tax. HST makes a lot of sense from an economic standpoint. If you want to protest how they're doing things under the table, then do so at the next election. Don't make everyone suffer. Going back to the GST and PST will cost everyone even more money then the HST costs us now, especially those in the lowest income brackets. GST and PST will likely remain on ALL current HST taxed items, so no one will save any money because of this.
@nadiareimi Yeah well tell that to the liberals, maybe next time they should consult with the public rather than blindly going in with the initiative. Maybe next-time they should give us the figures of how much it will cost to revert back if we do abide with the HST. It's always next time isn't it? From a personal stand-point I've heard from many businesses that the HST is driving them out of business. Just visit your local salon and ask.People should wake up and not take this crap.
If the liberals did that they would get run out of BC..... the liberals have already made a healthy profit on the HST and charging GST/PST on things that didnt have it before would only prove how useless they are at managing our province
HST & taxes = Gov't Revenues. Health care, public services, Gov't employees = Gov't Expenses. Revenues - Expenses = Surplus or Deficit. Deficity = more Gov't Debt. More Gov't Debt means pushing our debt burden to future generations. Look at what happened in Greece. ... we're arguing about not wanting to pay PST or HST - sad we can't get our heads out of the "dark hole" and step back you NEED to pay taxes for the system we have.
Also, the federal government just released a study saying that provinces with HST have a higher unemployment rate than provinces that don't. They aren't saying that it's causation, but they are looking into why that is the case. Minute 10:21
I'm just saying with both of these comments I have made, you can make the facts match anything you want. This is why we teach critical thinking in school.
The only possible reason why the HST could cause unemployment is because of the PST tax divisions that the government had to close down. If there's much more unemployment it is more likely just a coincidence rather then HST actually causing it.
What people do not seem to understand is that they are not paying more because of the HST itself, it's because the business that are now having to pay less continue to keep their high prices to increase their own profits, as opposed to reducing their prices like was the original idea for the implementation of the HST.
Oh shut up Mr. Slick Howe street retard! The government never brings in a tax that will make things easier for the average person, or small and medium business. This is simply a corporate tax dump on those citizens. The new tax does apply to services, restaurant meals, bar tabs and more you TWIT! Of course its going to cost us more to live, bottom line! You are obviously Kevin Falcon's flaming hot bottom boy dummy! Right up the ASS! So slick and so much absolute BULLSHIT..Shut the fuck up!
At one point you say the net increase in tax is $44. Don't know who came up with that since even at 10% I confirmed with SHAW that my yearly increase would be over $50, thats just ONE item. I wonder just who is messing with the numbers to mislead people??!!
@tiomela what do they say, 1%=800 Million revenue?!!! So 2yrs at 12 (2x2), 2yrs at 11(2x1) Thats 6x800Million. Thats a LOT to pull off consumers!!! And since gov't is pittiful at being responsible with money, 4.8 BILLION DOLLARS down the tubes. And THATS just the 2%, there's still 5% after that, 4yrsx5%x800M=16 BILLION DOLLARS!! Holy crap!! No wonder they're trying to hold onto it!!!
Why is this a video? How do you get pissed off enough to write yourself a script and make a video but not to write any text? I've been trying to find a transcript, but the only thing on your webpage is more videos.
You know, radio and video are almost designed for emotional appeals and browbeating, and they kind of stop the listener from carefully considering the ideas involved. And making a video is /more/ trouble than writing!
Anyway, could you post your script for it somewhere?
Lets see I pay more and this is a good thing this is a cash grab, that's it we have all the natural resources in the to be able to pay off our provincial debt if our politicians didn't spend our money like wild fire. Alberta pays only 5% GST thats it past that they used there money wisely as we could. We do not need this liberal cash grab. Vote yes to abolish the HST liars and crooks can not run our lives
When the liberals have sold B.C. Rail, Terasan Gas, Broken up B.C. Hydro. What is left? Those institutions were for the people of B.C. not for Gordo to sell. Chris is a Liberal Clown. This tax is going to help the large corporations not the average individual. Vote Yes to repeal the HST. We have been taken to the cleaners by crooks! See the book "Confessions of a Economic Hitman" to understand whats going on,Also see Greg Palast's website ,look for New Hampshire Nuclear power plant scam.
This Vid gets 0/10 because Chris has not read the B.C. annual comprehensive Financial Report. This report indicates the Financial health of the province. We do not need more taxation. This clip is complete Baloney. See cafr1.com to understand that all of the political parties are corrupt and filled with greedy lying lawyers that don't care about anyone. There main goal is to stay in power long enough to collect there gold plated pension.The liberals have destroyed B.C.
I support HST! I agree with everything you said! Apparently alot of British Columbians do not know how good they have it. Anyways, the entire population of BCers are not economists, so I don't think they are qualified to make a dicision like this. And anyways, business IS the economy, and everyone works for one. Also, many businesses have said hst has helped them!
All provinces that now have the HST have higher unemployment rates in May than the three provinces that haven't implemented it. Ontario, which brought in the HST the same time as B.C., has an unemployment rate of 7.9%. Newfoundland and Labrador has an 11.9% rate and Quebec's unemployment rate in May was 7.3%. Alberta, which just has the federal goods and services tax, has an unemployment rate of 5.4%. Manitoba's is 5.3% and Saskatchewan had the lowest unemployment rate in May at 5%
Net taxes in the coffers needs to pay for debt servicing and services -which includes wages of a large provincial government. Most of the services are health-care related. The pst/hst is one revenue stream. Income tax is another. Corporate tax, unless it is gained from exports, is passed along to the consumer. Re: balancing the budget, we could cut more spending perhaps, but I don't see a recovery strong enough to take much government cutting. I think Cristie has her hands full trying...
This is why the referendum system doesn't work. Ask California.....
tjspbook 1 week ago
You have done a lot of research, and I commend you for it. Many university students voted to keep it, even if HST impacted "students" most. Education leads to awareness, and I think people need to educate themselves more before making a choice, instead of using emotion and following the misguided masses.
aznxcutieee 1 week ago in playlist Uploaded videos
I voted to keep the HST, but I know so many people who voted against it because "Well, if so many people don't like it, how can it be good?" I facepalmed and proceeded to try and tell them how wrong they were, but it was too late because everyone had already voted. Thanks for fucking us over, you morons. Maybe learn before you vote next time.
TheOriginalEllemar 1 week ago in playlist Uploaded videos
I spent a considerable amount of time reading economic papers on Value Added Taxes. I ended up voting no.
The reality is that the tax cut on the business side did not result in a perfect price adjustment to the consumer. This meant that the tax meant a major transfer of benefit to businesses against the benefit to the consumer.
It was the fact that HST was expanded to a whole slew of other products (like restaurant meals) in order to make up the revenue shortfall that angered BC voters.
Spudst3r 1 week ago
BC will return to the HST someday, the PST is an old and wasteful tax system built for an economy that does not exist anymore. The egos and ignorance won this battle with the referendum, but the people of BC will see the light someday.
petergonefar 2 months ago
What's done is done. Now we ALL have to suffer the consequences of voting out the HST.
yauyuso 3 months ago
FINALLY HST IS GONE !!!! HORAAY
electricpower1960 4 months ago
Your argument regarding the HST being proportional is factually incorrect. In fact on necessity items that all consumers by the 12% is proportional (fixed) but the overall amount of income it represents is regressive given that for the wealthier person it represents a smaller amount of the total income than for the larger portion. You are treating it as an income tax instead of a consumption tax.
What you fail to realize is that consumption taxes and income taxes are incompatible.
ecogreenfirefly 5 months ago
@Johndefazio You get all of the business tax that you pay back. How can it be costing you double? If that's the way you think it works, then you shouldn't be in business
westcoast1968 6 months ago
the PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN... thank Christ they have voted this fucken tax out! My small business tax was double with the HST in place... great for big busibness but the little guy gets fucked up the ass to keep the province afloat, nice video you jerk! Kiss my ass!
johndefazio 6 months ago
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@johndefazio The 1 billion a year film industry is leaving Vancouver to go to Ontario now (Since Ontario has an HST and its a non-issue). Explain to me what will happen when Vancouver loses 1 Billion a year? Mass unemployment? You lose your job? Your real estate goes down in value? BC's jobs are mostly from big business....the HST attracted big business away from Ontario
Big business provided your customers with jobs. Now who will be coming in? people on UI?
skateboard341 5 months ago
all this arguing about which method of taxation is "better"..... are you fucking kidding me??!!!! I wish half of you would ask where the fuck is the money really going when you pay your favourite fucking tax!!!! fuck fuck fuck! wake up!!
RUfistinme 6 months ago
All this crap about minimum wage jobs and less tax on the poor is stupid, canada is so fucking liberal. Im paying less for my shit now and i dont give a rats ass
sexy69949 6 months ago
Watch the video again, it's clear HST is good for BC. It's not a tax increase, it's a different tax system which is better for people in this province and will attract big business to BC. But now its over. Too bad BC, maybe next time.
aarongoddard12345 6 months ago
This ass-hole sounds like Christ Clark. She'll be gone too.
07blackwater 6 months ago
@07blackwater No, I think Vander Zalm sounds like more of an asshole.
jordoex 6 months ago
Looks like making arrogant little videos where you even try to invoke President Bush to make your point doesn't work, does it?
cobbcon2001 6 months ago
Glad it is gone!
TRIXSTER03 6 months ago
The old system of GST/ PST, was better than HST seeing as with GST/ PST, you usually only paid 5% GST as most items you purchased had no PST. The HST has both GST/ PST combined to ultimately form the HST. With HST you paid both taxes on EVERYTHING, ultmately increasing the cost of living. The HST is a business tax. The money business make off of the HST is supposed to be returned to the consumer by lowering in-store prices,but it doesn't happen like that. Horrible tax, bad for consunmers.
TRIXSTER03 6 months ago
@TRIXSTER03 So you run a business with competition? And you understand basic microeconomics?
jordoex 6 months ago
@TRIXSTER03 Everything? Last I checked, groceries were HST exempt. I'm talking real food, not Lucky Charms and Pop Tarts. When you look at it that way, all the junk-consuming gluttons of this day and age who desire to live the way they live should have to pay an additional tax anyway. Need to sit in front of your big TV with 2 litres of pop and Doritos, just to end up unhealthy and a strain on the system? Pay more. I'll enjoy my lack of in-store price increases.
Moonstruckwtf 6 months ago
@Moonstruckwtf---Actually, only BASIC groceries were exempt...i.e. Milk, Cheese, Bread and eggs.
TRIXSTER03 6 months ago
@Moonstruckwtf --And when I said everything you buy, I obviously meant everything you buy not including the exempt items.
TRIXSTER03 6 months ago
i didn't notice anything get lower in price once the hst was implemented
from what i understand, the savings from the elimination of pst compounding goes straight to businesses and i sincerely doubt that they will lower their prices to reflect that change
Brawn 6 months ago 2
Only 45% of people that voted watched this video....
forzabrianmicheal 6 months ago
The way the tax was implemented we have no choice but to vote no, you really want to encourage this kind of politics?
guilde 6 months ago
@darthjader08 And while your at it get some class I doubt your nephew would be proud of you for belittling people about their opinions. Calling people names doesnt further your arguement whatsoever in fact it makes you sound like a 10 year old.
ILuckyCharmsI 6 months ago
@darthjader08 Lol really I didnt realize that many people worked in the Film industry in BC (obvious exageration). You are talking about fear tactics used by BVZ yet you go forget to talk about the Liberals use of fear tactics, the fear tactics that state that reversing the HST would be an economic disaster and would be costly. The Restaurant industry has been negatively effected by the HST but "That's just an example from ONE industry...
ILuckyCharmsI 6 months ago
@wellcoboy s'funny....I felt duped for voting for the liberals in 2003, I despise Gordon Campbell (in fact I think I want to kill him), I hate the B.C. liberals, and yet I voted to keep the HST. No, the GST and PST didn't hurt us yet, BUT, the HST will make things even better for us.....I'm in favour of more money coming into our province from low impact industries, I'm in favour of having a thriving film industry here, I'm in favour of a brighter future outlook for my nephew, etc. etc., you?
darthjader08 6 months ago
THANK YOU....I've been waiting for someone to post something like this, too bad I didn't come across it earlier, posting it on fb now will bear little effect on how all my contacts vote.
I voted no, not only for the film industry, but for the future of my nephew.
darthjader08 6 months ago
Nice video, i don't know why everyone is hating on it, cause i looked up the errors in Mr. Zalm's study and pretty much everything you said was proven to be fact. I started off thinking HST was stupid and its just another way for rich companies to distance themselves financially from the poor, like they do in America. But after reading a bunch of articles and actually learning about the HST impacts, I've changed my mind to pro HST. The money will be making BC a better place to live.
aingaran2003 6 months ago
Dear Six7Films: Why did you say you are voting Yes to the HST while showing sign that says "Vote Yes to HST"? There are some folks that made signs to modify the signs put up in opposition to the tax, Chris; it is something already in practice. A lot of people just want to put a dent in G-Cam's legacy... did you make any videos for his other lies that people tried to act against? It is a shame the ballot is not more to the point. Personally I'd rather see this cloak n' dagger tax deleted.
MrBollockstoyou 7 months ago
@MrBollockstoyou he said he's voting to keep the hst, i.e. vote "no". You're right, the way it was implemented was not the greatest, but the HST is not in fact a "cloak & dagger" tax, it is very straight forward, the HST is a very positive thing for our economy.
darthjader08 6 months ago
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MrBollockstoyou 7 months ago
@seebooze Correction I despise BIG business because they have done nothing besides seek to increase their bottom line, they dont care at all about the burden that the HST will impose on consumers. Basically it is just a very large tax shift from businesses onto the backs of the consumer. But in exchange for this burden British Columbians were supposed to see an increase in job creation and lower prices from businesses which still has yet to occur.
ILuckyCharmsI 7 months ago
@ILuckyCharmsI uhhhh....it has occurred???? How many hundreds of thousands of people have been working more thanks to the increased film industry thanks to the HST? That's just an example from ONE industry...
darthjader08 6 months ago
@ILuckyCharmsI Ever noticed that world-wide prices of commodities have skyrocketed in the past year? The increase in prices in BC is in line with the avg increase in Canada. The biggest price increased items are fuel (still only subject to the 5% HST) and restaurant meals. If you take those two things out of the equation, the net increase in BC is actually among the lowest in all of Canada
westcoast1968 6 months ago
@mvems Sorry I wasnt aware that people as "informed" as you lack the ability to detect sarcasm. Why do you give such a crap about signs? Are there not thousands of election signs posted throughout Vancouver come provincial/municipal/federal election time? Are those unlawful? In the end the HST was designed for big business to keep more money in its pockets.
ILuckyCharmsI 7 months ago
@ILuckyCharmsI You seem to despise business. You must realize that a large portion of BC's economy is small businesses. HST helps small and big alike.
seebooze 7 months ago
As to why comments are not allowed it probably has something to do with the fact that they lack the capital to spread their ideas like the Liberals on tv 24 hours a day. You are merely trying to villainize HSTinBCfacts for safeguarding its commenting section from people like you who dont want them to spread a message they dont agree with. People who would steal or vandalize anti HST signs. That said I dont blame them for protecting their already limited avenues of getting their message out.
ILuckyCharmsI 7 months ago
I say it again, there is a much better chance of Businesses passing on the Tax savings to consumers in the form of lower prices then under the GST/PST system. As with PST, it is such a hassle for Businesses to get back the PST they paid on input costs that by the time they receive their PST rebates, it's unlikely they would pass the savings on to their customers. All these HST opponents care nothing about our economy, let alone understand anything about economics. Numerous independent studies h
andy77718 7 months ago
@andy77718 Your faith in businesses is amusing I have yet to see any business reduce their prices since the introduction of the HST. In fact I have seen the opposite of that, everything seems to be getting more expensive. While it is true the HST does save big businesses money the chances of the money trickling down to everyone else is still relatively slim.
ILuckyCharmsI 7 months ago
Okay I just want to summarize all of this for those people out there who just aren't listening or thinking clearly. The HST removes hidden taxation in the price of goods, if we were to go back to the old GST/PST System, we would still be paying inflated prices because the PST is hidden in the price you pay. There is no way of removing the hidden PST under the PST system. At least with HST, it takes the hidden taxation out at every level, so there is a better chance of businesses lowering there
andy77718 7 months ago
Here is something interesting: this video allows comments pro and con. The anti-HST videos, the so called HSTinBCfacts, are allowing no comments to be posted which support the HST. So much for fairness and debate. When a campaign is afraid and shuts down any dissent, you know they are trying to get by with false claims and twisted logic.
mvems 7 months ago
@mvems Here is something interesting there are alot more comments which are against the HST then for it. So much for homefield advantage. Poor Liberals too bad they didnt have the money or resources to make a bunch of commercials too counteract the overwhelming media blitz by the anti hst movement...... *sigh so much for fairness and debate.
ILuckyCharmsI 7 months ago
@ILuckyCharmsI Thankyou for proving my point. Here we all are debating under a pro-HST video because the anti-HST videos do not allow debate. Why? Because, unlike this video, they have no substance. They are simply wild statements not based on facts. They would crumble into dust if comments were allowed. I am no friend of the Liberals, did not even vote for them. A lot of the support for HST is coming from people like me, who are deciding by facts and reason, not by any political bias.
mvems 7 months ago
@mvems Alot of people like you are A) LOVE big buisiness B) Are to easily influenced by TV. Do you honestly believe everything that these commercials say? All they utilize is mere fear tactics to sway the weaker and less informed members of the public. These commercials are designed to be misleading and only present vague statements that would make their postion more attractive ex The HST will be decreased to 10% (In 3 years, if we get elected again and if we decide to keep our promise.)
ILuckyCharmsI 7 months ago
@ILuckyCharmsI A) I have no interest or liking for big business. B) I do not watch TV, do not even own a TV. And just a minute, didn't you recently describe the anti-HST campaign as an "overwhelming media blitz"? Good thing that I avoided being misinformed and misled by all the anti-HST commercials. I HAVE seen illegal anti-HST signs littering city parks in Vancouver. What a cynical desperate strategy. That does not impress law-abiding citizens.
mvems 7 months ago
@mvems YES! RATIONALE!
seebooze 7 months ago
@mvems Here is something interesting there are alot more comments which are against the HST then for it. So much for homefield advantage. Poor Liberals too bad they didnt have the money or resources to make a bunch of commercials too counteract the overwhelming media blitz by the anti hst movement...... *sigh so much for fairness and debate.
ILuckyCharmsI 7 months ago
Sol, at 2:54 they're saying that we don't pay PST on anything under $100? Bull.
steppedonalego77 7 months ago
The anti-HST campaign have been littering Vancouver parks and public property with their signs. They thumb their nose at the city bylaw. I never trusted Bill VanderZalm much before to tell a straight story. Now the lawless anti-HST folks have lost any credibility. I am voting to keep the HST.
mvems 7 months ago
... the trades people now cost them 12%.
sydewinderify 7 months ago
@Plasmoid2 - even if that's true, and housing rebates (FOR A PORTION) of the costs will be provided, it's still an increase. 8K dollars IS significant. Oh and no way are new homes becoming cheaper. In fact, if you look at new homes costs in 2009, 2010, and 2011 you'll see a steady increase. More than that, you'll see a steep increase in homes constructed post HST because of the increases in costs to tradesmen. Developer might get a break on some of the material (MAYBE), but ...
sydewinderify 7 months ago
Yeah but, the problem is that those politicians we supposedly hate that supposedly occasionally do something good, typically don't. Vignette of Bush SAYING their nation gave 15$billion for AIDS care doesn't make it so - and it didn't.
HST is a usurpation of the individual Provinces' exclusive right to taxation as it ought to be. That is the only reason needed to extinguish the HST. That VAT's have been proven conclusively around the world to decrease living standard is a big #2 reason.
thewwwdude 7 months ago
You carbon lifeforms better get used to your carbon taxes and all you good goyim keep paying your kosher taxes. In Canada our masters from a race chosen by god himself to decide for us, have blessed us with a new harmony tax. May Christ forgive what the leftover christians do to the human parasites when they awaken from their state.
oveid 7 months ago
I meant "as opposed to just the GST like it was before* (in below post where I said PST - PST was not previously charged on lawyer fees).
sydewinderify 7 months ago
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MrBollockstoyou 7 months ago
@Six7Films you're a law student? do you know that the fees you'll be charging clients when you finish will now be subjected to the HST as opposed to just the PST like it was before? Just like pretty much EVERY other service? Maybe there needs to be changes to the the taxes, but the HST is not the answer. Vote YES to remove the HST, folks.
sydewinderify 7 months ago
@Plasmoid2 - I think everyone knows that. The point is Six7Films assumes that no one he knows is going to buy "new shrink wrapped" homes so it's a non issue. I was pointing out that if you go outside of Vancouver you can get NEW homes for reasonable prices - I've seen new construction for 100K. Hell, even 400K is a reasonable price for a young couple with two incomes. Now their tax burden on that property is outrageous!
sydewinderify 7 months ago
@sydewinderify - Actually, the tax burden isn't that bad. It's only around $8K more than it was before because of housing rebates on a $400K home. So it's 2% effectively. Additionally, all the baked in PST is now gone, so the price of new homes will fall.
plasmoid2 7 months ago
...... After his defeat he disappeared for awhile and now suddenly here he is again, looking to stir up trouble, do you really think that just a coincidence?? No one is trying to scapegoat Bill Vander Zalm because he is the villain in the whole HST saga. He is appealing to the younger generations who have no idea who he is but fir those of us who remember his time in government remember just how bad a premier he was!!! .....
andy77718 7 months ago
@andy77718 I belive that andy77718 is getting the question confused, the question is not do you hate Bill Vander Zalm? The question is do you think the HST is a bad idea for the province?
ILuckyCharmsI 7 months ago
Say what you want about the HST, I really don't care that much if your for or against it, but don't become a pawn in Bill Vander Zalm's political game. For him, this whole "fight HST" campaign is just a way of getting back at the Liberals because the Liberals were born out of his old Social Credit Party which he destroyed. He tried to cone back several times in the 90's but everyone remembered how much of an idiot he was and was defeated in the provincial election........
andy77718 7 months ago
One more thing - you say (8:00) that "...neither I, nor anyone I know, nor the average British Columbian are likely to buy a brand new shrink-wrapped home in the near future ..." I have a question for you. Do you know that there are more places to live than Vancouver? You can buy new homes, condos, apartments ...etc for reasonable prices elsewhere. But if I buy a 100K dollar condo (which is reasonable for a lower middle class person) I now pay $12K in taxes rather than $5K.
sydewinderify 7 months ago
@sydewinderify You only pay the HST on *new* construction. Resale homes are not subject to HST.
plasmoid2 7 months ago
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Also you look at that "list" of items and services that are increasing in price and cherry pick the obscure and ignore the common. You point at the horse boarding and lifejackets, but ignore the rest.
Further, you say, "I don't know anyone who is spending more than 3K on previous PST exempt things." Well, I suggest you get more friends. I'll just go back to trades here, who do you think requires the most repairs to their homes? the poor or the rich? hmmm....
This is biased drivel.
sydewinderify 7 months ago
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dear six7films, I live in British Columbia and you are really starting to piss me off. You make a lot of assumptions about the HST and assumptions about BC-ers being ill-informed and that you're here, with your sparkly law and economics degree to set us straight.
You don't seem to see that basically every service has increased in price. Tradesmen will suffer, and have been suffering b/c of the HST. Are tradesmen counted in your "rich pay the lion's share" argument?
sydewinderify 7 months ago
Thank you very much for this video. I was thinking of Hitler haha
Carasson 7 months ago
I love returning to see the comments under this video.. hahah
Anyone see The Province 07/20 letters?
One was "It's undemocratic" saying that the HST vote isn't about whether the tax is good or bad, it's about allowing government to act undemocratically. LOL
So many people bad at the Liberals, their willing to throw thier senses aside.
seebooze 7 months ago
Hey all you HST-haters. Here's something CHEAPER under the HST: DIAPERS
Under the old GST/PST system, they were taxed at 12%, whereas they're now taxed at 5% (federal portion)
Assuming an average cost of $2500 in diapers over 2 years, that's $175 less taxes paid under the HST. Are you going to make the parents of every newborn in the province cough up an extra $175? You bastards!
rampagerick 7 months ago
Dear Ignoramous,
My son is 12 years old and 5'6" 155lbs my daughter is 13 and is also adult sized so their clothes cost more than the little 14 year old accross the street. That's fair. I guess I will by all their clothes in Bellingham, come to think of it I'll buy my groceries there too and might as well fill up the gas tank while I'm there. That's good for BC.
7000bc7 7 months ago 4
@7000bc7
Dear 7000bc7, I am 6'7" (hence Six7Films) and have been so since I was around sixteen. I had hoped that people would be able to understand when I was making a joke. I was wrong.
Sincerely,
Ignoramus.
Six7Films 7 months ago 12
@Six7Films
But your joke is stated in precisely the same way as the rest of the arguments in your video - adversarially - and thus I can understand why 7000bc7 might not appreciate it.
I'm not saying you don't have good points to make, but you're taking the same approach as both HSTinBC and FightHST did - ignoring important facts in favour of knocking the other guy's tactics.
The HST is not THE answer, it's AN answer. The government will have to find a BETTER answer now..
nerwinnej 6 months ago
@nerwinnej The government doesn't have to find a better answer, they just need to find a better way to influence the ignorant masses.
jordoex 6 months ago
@jordoex
@jordoex
You're an ignorant mass!
I hear that you'd really like people to be more informed about politics and make choices based on facts and research rather than partisan rhetoric. However I firmly believe that the government is supposed to do the will of the people, not the other way around.
nerwinnej 6 months ago
@jordoex
You're an ignorant mass!
I hear that you'd really like people to be more informed about politics and make choices based on facts and research rather than partisan rhetoric. However I firmly believe that the government is supposed to do the will of the people, not the other way around.
nerwinnej 6 months ago
@nerwinnej Huh? I guess you didn't catch the sarcastic intonation in my words. I agree with your first point, and on your second point, I'm undecided. It's more of a symbiotic relationship, where the government should do what the people want, but people aren't often educated enough to realize that the government is doing things in their best interest. For example, people don't understand all the implications of tax policy and too often focus on the short term.
jordoex 6 months ago
@7000bc7
It is obviously unfortunate, however, do yout think cases like yourself are more common?
or
People who try on clothes, then goto the till and say "oh thats not taxable" and have been doing this for a long long time?
marketbuzzca 7 months ago
@7000bc7 it's a well known fact that proponents of the HST are generally obese, flannel-packing, beer-chugging NDP/Conservative government supporters who don't know the first thing about progressive, socialist government policy regardless of how much they applaud its ideals. Tax like this is a cornerstone and all I see are penny-pinchers who want money for the things they want, not the things they need.
Moonstruckwtf 6 months ago
Also, if your kids are that fat, perhaps you wouldn't mind choking up the HST you'd pay on a nutritionist or naturopathic visit. Maybe try buying some real, HST exempt groceries and skip the Lucky Charms that turned them into little chunkers in the first place. Just saying.
Moonstruckwtf 6 months ago
@Moonstruckwt First of all, proponents are supporters, so the 45% who voted to keep the HST would be the proponents. Secondly, my children are tall, muscular, intelligent, athletic individuals and if you think that by insulting them that I am offended, you are sadly mistaken. You have only shown the rest of us your lack of class. "Just saying."
7000bc7 6 months ago
1. gordon campbell is EVil and almost EVERYTHING he has done IS EVIL .. so we rightfully have major distrust issues with ANYTHING he has done. quoteing a decision someone in Bush's administration did is not a argument.
2. economies are built on middle class people with money in hand spending it.. NOT business's having more money. Bottom line, hst represents less taxes for business, more taxes for consumer.
3. we need more of a authority on how much actualy compounding pst is actually happening.
8beyonder8 7 months ago
Also scrapping the HST is going to put a 3,000,000 dollar hole in the provincial budget, money that is going to have to be recouped through RAISED INCOME TAXES, so if you didn't like paying Taxed before you are sure as he'll going to pay through the nose Togo back to the old system of GST/ PST!!!
andy77718 7 months ago
@andy77718 agreed, but isn't more like a 1,600,000,000 hole (we have to pay back the 1.6bil HST incentive)
seebooze 7 months ago
@seebooze
Don't forget the $2.8 billion a year added revenue for the next three years the HST would cause.
And the $1.4 billion a year added revenue after it is reduced 2%.
And you believe it was both "revenue nuetral" and would "create" jobs?
You are as gullible as Ontarians, Quebecois, and Maritimers.
Promises promises ... while your pockets are emptied ... if you work for a living.
While the rich get richer by diverting their taxes to you ... thank Steven Harper.
He put the H in HST.
curious007cur 7 months ago 3
@andy77718
No andy!
There are always more options than simply raising "income" taxes.
There is reducing spending which can be done in various ways.
There are other ways to raise revenue.
Such as an "export" tax on oil, gas and electricity.
Or increases in corporate taxes.
We could even charge Alberta for running an oil line through BC, think of it as a "toll" tax.
Since the oil line has already spilled oil in the Dawson Creek area a "toll" tax is needed to offset damages.
curious007cur 7 months ago
I support the HST and to all those who want to scrap it... Do you not realize that going back to the old GST + PST system is no better. Businesses may or may not pass on the savings BUT under the old GST/PST system there is absolutely no way businesses will pass on any savings because there is none, so your still paying inflated prices because the PST is hidden in the price. At least under HST there is a better chance they will pass on HST savings. Also, if a business decided to pocket the savi
andy77718 7 months ago
well coming from someone who has seen the businesses make more and not pass on the saving, but even trimming their work force hours and instead invest in new equipment and ads .it makes me sick to thing that this will have a positive impact on people. I myself has already spent more on food cost alone this year. so yes the HST does impact people. I will vote yes to get ride of it. because greedy business owners and company's will not pass on the saving they will just raise their prices make more
MrAlicklee 7 months ago
@MrAlicklee "because greedy business owners and company's will not pass on the saving"
Why is the money better in your hands than businesses? You don't employ people, you don't provide families with food, you don't fuel economy. Sounds like your the greedy one.
seebooze 7 months ago
@MrAlicklee What are you buying to eat, chips and candy? Your food doesn't cost more under HST. Read the facts.
teknokracy 7 months ago
@teknokracy it does and fyi its in the restaurants that cost more. my food does cost more. you cant say it doesnt because you dont know what i eat or where. so know your facts before commenting on my comment!
MrAlicklee 7 months ago
The problem that you don't understand is that the HST is saving BUSINESSES money by reducing their costs but this reduction is NOT going to trickle down to the consumer. The business owner is going to KEEP the profits.
You showed one business in your other video that sells "marine floatation devices" who lowered their prices. The majority of people are more concerned about GROCERY prices, HOUSE prices, and GOODS. These prices have NOT come down.
adrianlim118 7 months ago
Although 80% of things are still taxed the same as before. Why the hell would you want to pay more tax on 20% of things that weren't taxed before?
Buying a used car? You pay 12% instead of 7%
Buying a house? You pay 12% instead of 5%
Paying strata fees? You pay 12% instead of 5%
Buying food at a restaurant? You pay 12% instead of 5%
adrianlim118 7 months ago 2
@adrianlim118 Prices might not have come down, but businesses are saving money at all different levels.
These businesses are more likely to invest the money back into their company via new equipment or employees.
seebooze 7 months ago
@adrianlim118 I've said this so many times. Things that cost less to produce sell for less. Simple enough? So if the cost to produce a good or service is reduced because the business recieves HST rebates, that saving will generally be passed along unless there is no competition in that industry.
Van123Man 7 months ago
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@Van123Man Businesses are going to allocate savings to issues their business is facing prior to applying them to price drops. The remainder left to apply to a price drop is so insignificant it would be idiotic in a competitive market to drop your price so slightly when others can mimic and the overall result is less profits for everyone. Most imported commercial goods are exempt from HST which means they pay 5% GST like before, so they are actually not saving anything under HST.
adrianlim118 7 months ago
In fact, when PST was instated businesses earn 6.6% commission on PST collections.
adrianlim118 7 months ago
@Van123Man Please, "generally passed along" my ass. If I'm a farmer and all of a sudden I get to earn more money while charging the same, don't tell me I'll pass the savings onto the consumers. Don't forget inflation, the rising cost of gas/oil to operate machinery.
chicken310790 6 months ago
You are doing in this video what you claim is wrong in the fight HST campaign.
You scapegoat Bill Vander Zalm (when Campbell is the villian here)
You misdirect the debate (from the clear "increase" is cost to the consumer)
You don't use the evidence on hand
(BC has no increase in jobs after 1 year of HST)
curious007cur 7 months ago 2
@curious007cur first of all, yes, there has been an increase in employment, and second you're insanely short sighted if you expect to see a noticeable increase in permanent full time jobs within one year of the implementation of the hst...
darthjader08 6 months ago
The HST vs PST price comparison is a complete lie
where PST is not charged the retailers just take a bigger helping for themselves and the consumer either ends up paying the same amount after taxes
xxgunslingerxx 7 months ago 2
I'd just like to point out that when Bill Vander Zalm was premier of B.C. we had the weakest economy in ALL of North America, not just including all 10 provinces but also 50 U.S States too.
Also I just want to point out that Bill Vander zalm took thousands of dollars from B.C Families when he introduced Property Transfer Tax... a Tax that was unnecessary & is nothing more then a cash grab for the province. Repeal Property Transfer Tax
andy77718 7 months ago
It amazes me how well done and informative this video was & yet people still want to argue. People are being swept up in Bill Vander Zalms raint & I bet you most people ever never heard of him until this whole Anti-HST fiasco. Bill Vander Zalm was the WORST premier in B.C. History
andy77718 7 months ago
Excellent work Six7Films, I am against the former Cambell government for different reasons (environmental) but I can obviously see you have done your homework. I am pursuing an economics degree myself.
I would like to hear from you if possible - the winners and losers from changing the HST back to the PST. My thought is that small businesses who didn't have PST apply to them lose to the HST, while pensioners and people who need government assistence win.
Quelthias 7 months ago
@Quelthias I am a tax lawyer. You are basically right. Certain businesses like restaurants were exempt from PST and are subject to HST. They lose if people will eat out less. People who spend more (which is generally high income earners) will lose when they buy previously exempt items. People who earn less than $100K are better off because they get a tax credit which offsets the extra costs of living. BC loses because it has to now pay the cost of collecting the PST and repay 1.6B
Van123Man 7 months ago
Dear Six7Films. My name is Assimilate. I live in BC and you are really starting to piss me off about this whole HST thing. My main arguement is that you try to come off as a concerned citizen that just slapped together this video in your spare time. Being that the video is 15 minutes long and packed with selective counter-arguements designed solely to discredit the FightHST movement you make it painfully obvious that you are nothing more than a Liberal spokesperson hiding behind a pseudonym.
Assimilate71 7 months ago
@Assimilate71 Dear Assimilate. I AM just a concerned citizen that slapped this video together in my spare time. If you've seen me in the HST debate forms in either UBC or downtown Vancouver, or seen any of my TV appearances or listened to any of my radio interviews, you'd realize that I'm not a planted liberal hack. Also, the "selective" counter-arguments were only because it would take many, many hours to refute every incorrect thing that FightHST says. And it's not a pseudonym.
Six7Films 7 months ago 17
@Six7Films
Dear Assimilate. You have learned well from Vander Zalm. When you have no intelligent response to the substance of the arguement, attack the person!! Vander Zalm called the guy who made this file a something like a "lawyer guy with no mortgage".
Van123Man 7 months ago
@Six7Films **claps**
seebooze 7 months ago
@Six7Films I dont know what is funnier. The fact that you are comparing the HST to Universal Health Care or that you believe Bill Vander Zalm's voice can drown out the incessant Liberal media. All of which is being financed by tax payers who didnt want the HST in the first place. Now thats what I would call irony.
ILuckyCharmsI 7 months ago
@Six7Films I'm just curious, what credibility do you have on these issues that you have to flaunt your Law degree, and countless interviews both radio and TV appearances?
chicken310790 6 months ago
@Assimilate71 What, so FightHST organizers don't come off as "concerned citizens" who just slapped together a PDF of un-cited and un-researched bite-size bits of information so the masses would understand? Is the FightHST documentation not packed with selective arguments? Should people not be allowed to debate something in your eyes? Oh wait, I forgot. You only want your own opinion to come out on top.
teknokracy 7 months ago 2
@teknokracy
You are not showing "both" sides of the argument.
So you are neither "objective" nor "unbiased" as you seem to claim.
You are a pro-HST hack ... with selective arguments ... not a balanced point of view.
I'm anti-HST and don't "hide" the fact.
Because the HST like the VAT is a BAD way to raise taxes.
Bad for the economy which translates as bad for BC.
Good for multinationals in many ways ... mainly for off loading their tax burdens on us.
curious007cur 7 months ago 3
@Assimilate71 Even if he is what you've said, what exactly is wrong with him sharing his opinions on Youtube? And you have not yet made an effective argument against the HST.
ShadowWireDirector 6 months ago
Gordon Campbell: "We will not be imposing the HST so, you can vote Liberal" ...a few months later, "Thanks for your vote now here's the HST we're imposing on you." - "The HST will create jobs in BC." ... A year later, "That's odd, the unemployment in BC is uneffected." - "Business' will pass on savings to the consumer."... Today, "Hey! The price of everything in BC is still rising." The HST is nothing more than fuel to eliminate the middle class. It is based on lies told by habitual liars.
Assimilate71 7 months ago 2
YO THIS VIDEO IS AWESOME
mcgillgirl20 7 months ago
@TheDentist27, Wise up. Businesses always pass on costs to consumers, period. If you thing business taxes aren't recouped in product prices you need to go back to school.
SailingYYC 7 months ago
@SailingYYC businesses do not always pass down costs to consumers. They can't do that if there are wide profit margins because then a competitor has room to lower their price and out compete.
TheDentist27 7 months ago
Trickle down economics does not work !!!!!!!! Bring back the PST
cityboy0601 7 months ago 2
Also, the people who vote yes should each kick in thier share of the $1.6B.
Van123Man 7 months ago
@Van123Man
wow thats the stupidest arguement ever... I never wanted HST in the first place and getting it imposed on me when I was promised I wouldnt have to deal with it is more then enough
xxgunslingerxx 7 months ago
Okay, so you pay more HST if you buy more stuff.
Who buys more stuff: rich people or poor people? It's common sense.
Beyond that, poor people get a tax credit and rich people don't/
So who does the HST help/hurt?
Van123Man 7 months ago
100,000 views! Impressive!
Ironhidemr 7 months ago
It's a tax shift from big business onto consumers. The end.
TheDentist27 7 months ago
So we already pay higher prices for many things in BC (hence the Bring Cash nickname for our province) but then our government thinks it can sneak a tax in that increases our cost of living far more than $44 dollars a year. We should be Ok with this?? Just the fact that they lied and did this in an underhanded way is reason enough to repeal this tax. It's time our government/s learned that they are ACCOUNTABLE to the people.
IntriCated 7 months ago 3
I don't think it matters much if it is a good or a bad tax. The majority of people will vote yes because they are tired of the liberals trampling democratic process. That is unless the government finds some way to skew the results in their favour.
davisfamily4 7 months ago 3
@davisfamily4 LIBERALS, CONSERVATIVE, NDP, ETC. Doesn't matter - they all are liars. The real issue behind the HST, is not the HST. The issue is politicians that say ONE THING and do another. The HST ballot should read: "Do you think politicians should be aloud to continue to lie and deceive people and get away with it? OR.... Do you think polititcians should go to jail for lying and deceiving?".
flemingcourt 7 months ago 2
@flemingcourt No, absolutely not.
seebooze 7 months ago
I am afraid you are pissing everybody off. You build an entire argument on a series of lies! Starting with No HST election promise, then the revenue neutral lie then the inflated jobs numbers, then to a promised legislated reduction that any fool knows will never come in. And the reduction, my friend have not been legislated. Can’t you tell the truth at least once! Lies my friend, you should give up your present line of studies and take up politics because you get straight A’s for lying.
rick7675 7 months ago 6
@rick7675 No, YOU are the one who is lying, it's easy to accuse someone of lying when you base all your "knowledge" on gossip and old stoner hippy stories. If you looked into facts a little, you'd realize he's right, if you looked a little further, you'd realize that the film industry (a $40 billion per year into BC, industry) is as strong as it is thanks to the hst....I'll take the $40 billion coming into my province from a low impact and portable industry thank you very much.
darthjader08 6 months ago
@rick7675 you are (quasi) correct on one aspect though, the manner in which it was implemented (though it didn't happen in the way you state) was less than admirable, however every single other thing you said, was complete bullshit propaganda, you should stop getting stoned and listening to pensioner hippies, and actually do a little research and get a bit of life experience.
darthjader08 6 months ago
@rick7675 Also, it would seem that over 1,000 people disagree with you....could it be because people are, at the last moment, beginning to realize that the HST is, in fact, a positive thing? Could it be because BVZ's bullshit propaganda campaign is finally being realized for the politically infused, evil campaign that it is? Idiots like you (that only get part of the story, then formulate a decision and become passionate about it) should not be allowed to vote, people like you are dangerous.
darthjader08 6 months ago
The big problem is the liberals brought this on us without an explanation, everything done under the table and no voting involved by the public. If this passes expect more of such near the future. VOTE YES.
Ardavan72 7 months ago
@Ardavan72
That's no reason to vote down a perfectly good tax. HST makes a lot of sense from an economic standpoint. If you want to protest how they're doing things under the table, then do so at the next election. Don't make everyone suffer. Going back to the GST and PST will cost everyone even more money then the HST costs us now, especially those in the lowest income brackets. GST and PST will likely remain on ALL current HST taxed items, so no one will save any money because of this.
nadiareimi 7 months ago
@nadiareimi Yeah well tell that to the liberals, maybe next time they should consult with the public rather than blindly going in with the initiative. Maybe next-time they should give us the figures of how much it will cost to revert back if we do abide with the HST. It's always next time isn't it? From a personal stand-point I've heard from many businesses that the HST is driving them out of business. Just visit your local salon and ask.People should wake up and not take this crap.
Ardavan72 7 months ago 3
@nadiareimi
If the liberals did that they would get run out of BC..... the liberals have already made a healthy profit on the HST and charging GST/PST on things that didnt have it before would only prove how useless they are at managing our province
xxgunslingerxx 7 months ago
@xxgunslingerxx
They probably will get run out of town anyways at the next election.
nadiareimi 7 months ago
@Ardavan72 the implementation sucked, but otherwise the HST is a wonderful thing, you're a fool if you voted yes.
darthjader08 6 months ago
Im pretty sure this guy is paid! Do your own research
userflock 7 months ago 3
The rich get richer with the HST. The savings won't trickle down to us so I'm going to get rid of it.
Howatzer604 7 months ago 3
HST & taxes = Gov't Revenues. Health care, public services, Gov't employees = Gov't Expenses. Revenues - Expenses = Surplus or Deficit. Deficity = more Gov't Debt. More Gov't Debt means pushing our debt burden to future generations. Look at what happened in Greece. ... we're arguing about not wanting to pay PST or HST - sad we can't get our heads out of the "dark hole" and step back you NEED to pay taxes for the system we have.
terwwong 7 months ago
Please vote Yes person who created this video. I think you'll find that it does the opposite of what you want it to.
tiomela 7 months ago
Also, the federal government just released a study saying that provinces with HST have a higher unemployment rate than provinces that don't. They aren't saying that it's causation, but they are looking into why that is the case. Minute 10:21
I'm just saying with both of these comments I have made, you can make the facts match anything you want. This is why we teach critical thinking in school.
tiomela 7 months ago 2
@tiomela
The only possible reason why the HST could cause unemployment is because of the PST tax divisions that the government had to close down. If there's much more unemployment it is more likely just a coincidence rather then HST actually causing it.
nadiareimi 7 months ago
Wait, that study is referencing 2008, which is 2 years before the HST came in. Minute 9:17
tiomela 7 months ago
What people do not seem to understand is that they are not paying more because of the HST itself, it's because the business that are now having to pay less continue to keep their high prices to increase their own profits, as opposed to reducing their prices like was the original idea for the implementation of the HST.
zxcvbnm1256 7 months ago
Oh shut up Mr. Slick Howe street retard! The government never brings in a tax that will make things easier for the average person, or small and medium business. This is simply a corporate tax dump on those citizens. The new tax does apply to services, restaurant meals, bar tabs and more you TWIT! Of course its going to cost us more to live, bottom line! You are obviously Kevin Falcon's flaming hot bottom boy dummy! Right up the ASS! So slick and so much absolute BULLSHIT..Shut the fuck up!
fender4444 7 months ago
At one point you say the net increase in tax is $44. Don't know who came up with that since even at 10% I confirmed with SHAW that my yearly increase would be over $50, thats just ONE item. I wonder just who is messing with the numbers to mislead people??!!
hcciam 7 months ago 2
@hcciam I agree. I calculated my HST costs. It's not cheap.
tiomela 7 months ago
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@tiomela what do they say, 1%=800 Million revenue?!!! So 2yrs at 12 (2x2), 2yrs at 11(2x1) Thats 6x800Million. Thats a LOT to pull off consumers!!! And since gov't is pittiful at being responsible with money, 4.8 BILLION DOLLARS down the tubes. And THATS just the 2%, there's still 5% after that, 4yrsx5%x800M=16 BILLION DOLLARS!! Holy crap!! No wonder they're trying to hold onto it!!!
hcciam 7 months ago
Why is this a video? How do you get pissed off enough to write yourself a script and make a video but not to write any text? I've been trying to find a transcript, but the only thing on your webpage is more videos.
You know, radio and video are almost designed for emotional appeals and browbeating, and they kind of stop the listener from carefully considering the ideas involved. And making a video is /more/ trouble than writing!
Anyway, could you post your script for it somewhere?
cairnsh 7 months ago
Thanks for making this.
I hope people can seperate thier feeling for Gordo, etc. and do what's best for the province. I will vote to keep the HST.
Van123Man 7 months ago
Lets see I pay more and this is a good thing this is a cash grab, that's it we have all the natural resources in the to be able to pay off our provincial debt if our politicians didn't spend our money like wild fire. Alberta pays only 5% GST thats it past that they used there money wisely as we could. We do not need this liberal cash grab. Vote yes to abolish the HST liars and crooks can not run our lives
bobbyboucher604 7 months ago
When the liberals have sold B.C. Rail, Terasan Gas, Broken up B.C. Hydro. What is left? Those institutions were for the people of B.C. not for Gordo to sell. Chris is a Liberal Clown. This tax is going to help the large corporations not the average individual. Vote Yes to repeal the HST. We have been taken to the cleaners by crooks! See the book "Confessions of a Economic Hitman" to understand whats going on,Also see Greg Palast's website ,look for New Hampshire Nuclear power plant scam.
radicalone77 7 months ago
This Vid gets 0/10 because Chris has not read the B.C. annual comprehensive Financial Report. This report indicates the Financial health of the province. We do not need more taxation. This clip is complete Baloney. See cafr1.com to understand that all of the political parties are corrupt and filled with greedy lying lawyers that don't care about anyone. There main goal is to stay in power long enough to collect there gold plated pension.The liberals have destroyed B.C.
radicalone77 7 months ago
I support HST! I agree with everything you said! Apparently alot of British Columbians do not know how good they have it. Anyways, the entire population of BCers are not economists, so I don't think they are qualified to make a dicision like this. And anyways, business IS the economy, and everyone works for one. Also, many businesses have said hst has helped them!
tbpimaster 7 months ago 2
All provinces that now have the HST have higher unemployment rates in May than the three provinces that haven't implemented it. Ontario, which brought in the HST the same time as B.C., has an unemployment rate of 7.9%. Newfoundland and Labrador has an 11.9% rate and Quebec's unemployment rate in May was 7.3%. Alberta, which just has the federal goods and services tax, has an unemployment rate of 5.4%. Manitoba's is 5.3% and Saskatchewan had the lowest unemployment rate in May at 5%
curious007cur 7 months ago
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Net taxes in the coffers needs to pay for debt servicing and services -which includes wages of a large provincial government. Most of the services are health-care related. The pst/hst is one revenue stream. Income tax is another. Corporate tax, unless it is gained from exports, is passed along to the consumer. Re: balancing the budget, we could cut more spending perhaps, but I don't see a recovery strong enough to take much government cutting. I think Cristie has her hands full trying...
OAbrey 7 months ago