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The origin of the universe has a true answer regardless of your belief that god did it also. Because you only believe he did it. Beliefs are independent of truth, as you well put it. The claims of the bible are also independent of it. Whether we understand it, use it or believe it, it's still the claim of being the word of god, a belief that, as any other, can be right or wrong. All we have are more or less supported claims; you seem to believe the less supported ones.
My small group just began a study on "What is Truth?" and this video communicates the main premises very well. THANK YOU. I plan to show this at our next meeting.
@Igotnogod Abraham was tested with his own son and God stopped him at the last moment. Physical death is not the end anyway, Jesus proved that. Your question is really not valid as it is loaded with fallacious presuppositions you have made. You seem to think there are "innocents" ordered killed by God ...yet your question presupposes God exists so I guess you are no longer an atheist? If you are an atheist you have a serious coherence problem.
@LogosApologia Its a simple question. The great thing about being a free thinker is that we can ask questions that stay within the confines of others' perspectives. Playing by your rules i ask you if you would kill a baby, from a heathenistic nation, If your god told you to.
What happened to abraham and his son is pure wickedness but that isn't what i was talking about. I'm talking about 1 Samuel 15. Go ahead. read it in context. Would you kill an Amalek baby? simple question. yes or no.
@Igotnogod You cannot divorce the biblical narrative from its ancient context and just impose a modern context and then make a moral judgment. What basis do you have to object? If we are just the products of random forces and Darwinism and an Amalek baby was from a weaker tribe - it would in crease your and your offsprings chances for survival ,so by the tenets of your atheistic worldview on what basis would you object?
@LogosApologia ",so by the tenets of your atheistic worldview on what basis would you object?" To the part where an imaginary person tells someone to kill a baby (or anyone else).
"You cannot divorce the biblical narrative from its ancient context and just impose a modern context and then make a moral judgment." But you have no problem divorcing a commandment of God (do be-a-killin folks) from God's commandment to kill. Does this ring a bell... something about law of non-contradiction?
@paleosmoker You have confused "murder" with "kill". The command is do not murder, God instituted capital punishment with Noah. They are not the same. still We use the same laws today.
Kill... murder, different words to describe taking a human life. God certainly doesn't come down and tell men when it's lawful to take a life, these laws are constructed by men. And, we most certainly don't use the same laws today (only the terms murder and kill are the same... but are of course different in language so there not even the same words either). We don't exercise capital punishment today for the same offenses as in the OT, so what's the same again?
@LogosApologia Moral difference? It is morally wrong to take a life for fun...but, it is morally right to take the life of someone who has do so. It is morally right to take the life of a national traitor or in self defense (or according to God, for being disobedient to parents, working on the Sabbath or not being heard screaming while being raped).
You seem to be the one having difficulty. You can't distinguish that it is man's law which separate murder from killing, not God.
@paleosmoker You were the one who above invoked the law of non contradiction by equating the two. So obviously you are not making the distinction. I wonder on what grounds do you make moral judgments. Where do moral values come from?
@LogosApologia I was applying the law of non-contradiction to God... not to man's laws. For God to command that we only kill those whom it is legally alright to kill is... well, useless. Isn't it?
God says: "don't you murder people... but certainly, it is o.k. to kill them." Haha
Perhaps, you would care to point out bible verses that distinguish "murder" from "kill"? You know, something that doesn't appeal to man's authority but to God's.
There is no contradiction, ““You shall not murder. (Ex 20:13) and ““Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for God made man in his own image. (Ge 9:6) You failed to distinguish between murder and kill... The people God ordered them to kill were not innocent victims.
Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy[a] all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys (1 Samuel 15:3). Does that contradict Ge 9:6? After all, it doesn't say "if they have committed murder". It is a commandment to murder women and children! I guess the infants aren't innocent either?
That is very straight forward, this is why I said He contradicted Himself.
@paleosmoker No but the Amalekites were not by any means innocent . You are still avoiding the issue, the commandment is "do not murder" A holy war commanded by God is not the same as murder.
"A holy war commanded by God is not the same as murder. "
That's the distinction I was waiting for you to make... 'it isn't murder if God commands it'.
God commands not to murder (Ex 20:13) but then turns around and commands men to slay little children (1 Sam 15:3) who certainly are not guilty of shedding the blood of man (Ge 9:6).
@paleosmoker It's really obvious that war is not the same as murder. When the USA dropped bombs on Germany and Japan in WW2 they killed children, it isn't considered murder. Its war. You are also divorcing of its context in that God certainly had good reasons for it. It has been proven by archeology that the Canaanites practiced infant sacrifice and other horrors. Its not very difficult to understand why their eradication was necessary.
@LogosApologia It's also really obvious that the Israelite people did not kill with nuclear-bombs... they used swords (very personal and selective killing weapons). And you ignore the fact God said to kill the infants... Please name any war (other than one's declared by God) that expressly mandated the killing of children and infants.
Only God has given that mandate. He commands people not to murder then commands people to murder... His reasons are irrelevant, He contradicted Himself. Period.
@paleosmoker Sure it was brutal and seems very harsh but all war is. If you can not see that killing in a war is not the same a murder, which is done by an individual for their own personal reasons, then meaningful discourse is impossible. You simply want to believe in spite of logic and reason.
@paleosmoker "God's reason isn't the issue," The reason precisely IS the issue in the distinction between murdering and Kill. That is really obvious. I sent you a PM with a link to a podcast on the top ten misunderstood bible verses. If you will listen to that you will get your answer.
You just can't see how bad your argument is. God says not to take a life but then He can turn around and tell you to do so because He is the one that decides what murder is, not you. God can command you to dash any number of infants against the rocks and it isn't "murder" it's just "killing" and you'd be guilty of nothing, just like Andrea Yates, Deanna Laney and LaShaun Harris.
And what's you problem with infant sacrifice? God accepted a virgin sacrifice.
@paleosmoker The link works, its an RSS feed just download the top mp3 file: "Top 10 (or so) Misundertood Bible Verses (Part 2)" and listen to the first 10 minutes or so as they handle this issue specifically. .
Anyone who is interested in having paleo's objection explained in detail can do a search for the "Straight Thinking" podcast by reasons to believe, it just so happened that the very latest episode as of 3/18 :
Top 10 (or so) Misundertood Bible Verses (Part 2)
is on this specific issue and answers the question directly. A very fortuitous occurrence to say the least!
@LogosApologia I have to say I’m not finding their argument any more compelling that yours. Krista says that God wanted to separate His people from others, to have them live differently and not have them running around killing each other for no reason. Please provide any example where it is acceptable behavior to go around killing people. Seriously, she specifies Egypt; do you really think it was acceptable to run around killing in Egypt?
They speak of deliberations on the matter making a difference and warfare and executions are exceptions because they aren’t “hotheaded” responses. Executions could be carried out if a girl got raped and no one heard her scream or if someone was gathering stick on the Sabbath. They have the audacity to question “do we carry out war in a just manner”? Murder was defined as deliberately killing an innocent human being without just cause… It sure takes a twisted mind to justify killing babies.
@paleosmoker I guess you are pro-life and actively oppose abortion as well since you are so worried about the Canaanite babies?
This killing the Canaanites topic was discussed this week on Greg Koukl's podcast the last hour is an interview with Clay Jones who has researched the Canaanites thoroughly his conclusion is that it was much needed Capital Punishment due to their corruption and perversion. > Stand To Reason - "Clay Jones on the Problem of Evil and Destruction of Canaanites"
I’ll just grant the claims about the Canaanites (for argument’s sake). Again, it isn’t the reasoning but the contradiction that is the issue. God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah himself (no contradiction) but He told ‘man’ to murder man (infants)… something He already said not to do (contradiction). They ask if God has the right to take life (I figure sure) but the problem is that men are the ones taking the life not God. God does not wield a sword.
@paleosmoker There simply is no contradiction as already explained God never commanded "do not kill" -- there is such a thing a killing for a morally sufficient reason. Since you must allow that God exists and is doing the commanding to make your argument, you must also allow the logical possibility that God knew they were beyond hope - also you cannot rule out the possibility that God accepted the infants into heaven and spared them a brutal life of incest and abuse.
Murder is characterized by a malicious selfish motive. I trust when God commanded Joshua to kill the Canaanites he had a morally sufficient reason. The very fact that God (who created life) commanded it makes it not murder - it is obedience to God. It is not valid 3,000 years later to claim to have a superior moral perspective on the situation. God demonstrates love and even came himself as a man and died brutally for sinful people,I trust he had just cause.
"The very fact that God (who created life) commanded it makes it not murder - it is obedience to God."
So what pray tell is it if a man gives the commandment rather than God?
And as I've mentioned twice so far, by your claim, Andrea Yates, Deanna Laney and LaShaun Harris are NOT guilty of murder- They were obedient to God's commandment. Or do you think this is a straw-man too?
@LogosApologia You're right they are real people. You think the people in the bible are just characters? Does God only talk to people that died thousands of years ago?
Again, is a commandment to take a life, given by a man murder or killing (if it isn't in accord with a law given by God)?
@paleosmoker A commandment is only spoken words, so no it is not murder nor killing. Websters defines murder as "the crime of unlawfully killing a person esp. with malice aforethought " Thus by the standard dictionary killing in warfare just doesn't qualify. This is like beating a dead horse, you objection has been explained ad nauseum, if you do not accept it that's your prerogative. I am more curious as to why you believe it morally objectionable to kill given atheism.
@LogosApologia Didn't you also say that God gave man capital punishment earlier? But it is also OK for men to construct their own laws regarding the taking of life, right?
"Thus by the standard dictionary killing in warfare just doesn't qualify." Even if you kill a non-combatant? Even if it is done just for fun? People commit murder during war, I'm surprised you didn't know.
@paleosmoker In regard to capital punishment you are confusing contexts. The Israelites were in a covenant relationship with God. Laws are made by governments today.
@paleosmoker The Israelites were in a suzerain vassal covenant called the Mosaic covenant and their laws were the stipulations of that covenant. They were a special case. When Jesus came he raised the bar to a higher moral standard, see the sermon on the mount. As followers of Christ we obey civil laws unless they directly conflict the biblical teachings, like the Christians who were killed by the Romans for not worshiping the Emperor, or look up Richard Wurmbrand on YT.
God gave the Israelites laws regarding what was acceptable killing (unchaste women on wedding night, unruly youths, homosexuals, etc.) but again, what was his law regarding infants? Was it o.k. to kill infants at will?
@paleosmoker the distinction between the holy war situation and individual conduct has already been addressed. How can you say it is morally wrong for someone to kill babies given atheism?
@LogosApologia You keep saying there is a distinction but to make that distinction still leaves God making a contradictory command (remember this conversation is about contradiction not right and wrong). Unless God gave laws specifying allowing for the killing of infants He contradicted His commandment not to murder. That was the substance of my very first comment and has been my argument the entire time.
God told men to break the very laws He supposedly gave to them.
@paleosmoker You are just ignoring the facts: the command not to murder is an individual act. God's warfare command was to the entire nation as an act of holy war known as herem. It's a category error to claim a contradiction, you are just pounding square pegs into round holes to make a argument. Its not valid.
@LogosApologia There is no place where "murder" is acceptable, whether they believe in your god or not.
Thou shall not... unless... I'm sure that God commanding Abraham to sacrifice Isaac is also justified because 1) God told him too (like the children of Andrea Yates, Deanna Laney and LaShaun Harris) or 2) it was a sacrifice therefore not murder (like Jepthah's daughter).
God says: don't take a life unjustly...but, if I tell you to it is just!
My argument only superficially presupposes God; I certainly feel that men give all commandments. God doesn’t need man to kill for Him. He is supposed to have flood, famine, and natural disasters of all ilks at His disposal. It is far more rational (and probable) to think man invoked God’s name to rally other men to his cause (in this case conquering another land). I could (hypothetically) accept God overturning one commandment with another but it is still contradictory.
@paleo "God doesn’t need man to kill for Him" -> Need? No.. but God uses men and nations to execute justice. He used the Assyrians and Babylonians to do roughly the same to Israel as Joshua did to the Canaanites. He also can use natural disasters but those tend to be even worse. Perhaps you really haven't studied the issue because the very 1st city of the conquest, Jericho, was conquered by miraculous means.
@paleosmoker The 10 commandments context was personal behavior and ethics. A command from God obviously transcends personal choices. You just having a strawman festival with the word "murder". It's getting silly, Give it up.
@LogosApologia My concern isn't with right or wrong (in this instance) it is with contradiction.
Unless, one of God's loop-holes (laws for killing people) includes a rule for stabbing children and infants then He has commanded murder. Please tell me if I missed that verse.
A contradictory commandment from an all knowing (perfect) being. It doesn't add up.
But to answer your question no, morals aren't absolute. They vary from culture to culture and through time. This is demonstrable.
@paleo That is logically incoherent. Murder would be an individual killing someone for a selfish reason. The very fact that they were obeying a command from God eliminates the contradiction.
If morals are not absolute, then they are only preferences, they actually do not vary much - only peoples interpretations of the facts vary. Hindus think it is immoral to kill a cow but Christians do not mind killing cows. But their morals are really the same...
I remeber the time I realised the difference between facts and truth. Facts are a 'dime a dozen' - but truth can be quite hard to find. Facts should point to truth - but there are many many examples where this is not so.
By the way, it's worth looking up the 'flat earth myth' as it's refered to in this vid.
The most important truth is the Gospel, declared in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 - Christ's death, burial and resurrection. John 3:16 says that those who believe in Him (the Messiah, redeemer and sacrifice for our sins) will not perish but have eternal life. This is our judgement. We have broken the Law and offended the infinitely worthy God. The crime is so offensive that no one can pay for it with his good works, so hell is forever. Christ, being God, out of His mercy paid it for those who believe it.
ok, another big mistake you made was saying that 'all pluralists think non-pluralists are wrong', or relativists, or w/e. This is not necessarily the case. You have paul feyerabend in your tag, if you were familiar with his work you would know that, for him, that relativism isnt some secular humanist 'pat eachother on the back' tolerance bandwagon, but a movement for the restoration of cultures- that even though the shamans of south america may not be relativists, as long as they're not...
(continued) forging and forwarding an imperialistic institution for the domination of all other cultures and beliefs, they're alright, and not deluding themselves with patriarchal dominatrix mish mosh at another cultures expense, like the 'christian' missionaries of old who murdered, enslaved and indoctrinated somao, the americas, northern europe, and parts of asia.
(continued) so the jist of relativism, as a social movement, is not 'all is relative, were right, your wrong, bow down to us!', more like, 'hey, my truth is my truth and yours is yours, if you want to talk about it over coffee thats cool, but you cracking your whip is just power play and not making your belief any more truer.'
The Truth is to have Faith and believe what Jesus taught us. "I am the life and resurrection." We shall believe God teaching in the Bible. The Bible is the true word of God.
i am a follower of Christ and I find this video an expression of hypocrisy... by the very definition of tolerance that the video itself defines as such. Case in point... the random gawking "Obama" character. If you want to reach people in love and compassion to help them see the Truth... this video would not be the way to do it.
Please don`t piss down my leg and tell me its raining. You are litlle more then a vulgar propogandist playing games with words. Don't send me anymore posts about these rediculous videos.
I suppose this vid is about exlusivsm. But what about inclusicm, that claims, that christianity is the best of all religions but not the only and is opposed to pluralism, that claims that all religions are equal?
i could never accept a god who drowns his own children for misbehaving. How do you make this ok in your mind? If god commanded you to drown an atheist baby would you do it?
@Igotnogod His own children? I think you are misinformed. If you mean the great flood God saved saved his children. Noah warned and people laughed at him,"Just as it was in the days of Noah, so will it be in the days of the Son of Man. They were eating and drinking and marrying and being given in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all." What will you be doing when Jesus returns?
@LogosApologia Don't dance around the point of the question. If god asked you to kill a baby of a heathen nation, would you kill that baby? simple question.
@LogosApologia Don't dance around the point of the question. If god asked you to kill a baby of a heathen nation, would you kill that baby? simple question.
@Igotnogod Ezekiel 33:11 'As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live. Turn!
This is why I hate establishments like the church.His message was and has always been that we are ALL the children of God. Calling Jesus the only begotten son of God Mocks his message.
What could be a more important message for humanity than God's Word and His Law. And yet he only gave it to a small group of men in a very small geographical area. In 2000 years it has spread, but not really all that far. about 1/3 of all people identify as Christian but that includes RC's, CoE and Liberal Evangelicals all of which I don't think you would count (please correct me if I'm wrong).
What I'm getting at is why are there not any Chinese gospels or Inuit or Peruvian etc.
How many billions of people in the non-western world have lived and died without ever hearing the Good News. They have lived outside of The Covenant but not because they rejected Christ but because they did not have the opportunity to choose.
If God has a master plan for each and every person on the earth then was His plan for these people to live outside of His Love and to burn in hell for eternity?
@doireallyneed1 There are Chinese gospels, there was a Christian outpost in China by second century CE. The question really is, if it actually bothers you so much, then why aren't you a missionary?
I did not mean to misrepresent myself. I'm not a missionary because I'm not a Christian. The questions I posed were written from a hypothetical point of view (taking the Bible in a literal way).
I am still interested in your thoughts about these questions:
Does God want us to live by the Law and to abide by the New Covenant? Are these not the keystones of the Christian Faith? How can so many billions of people be allowed to live their lives without the "light of Christ" in their lives?
Why has God abandoned them?
Will they not burn in Hell?
If not Hell, then why do they live outside of God's love?
If you would rather not respond to me in this comments section you can send me a PM. If you have the time I am still interested to know what you think.
Well someone is right and the true God said, "I AM that I AM " and Jesus said I AM the way, THE TRUTH, and the life, and no man comes to the Father but by me. People can choose to "beleive" what they want but it doesn't ever change the Truth and it will never change the fact of who God really is. "So I say to you: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you." God is not limited by man's scientific capability to explain Him.
@GREEN3305 - In today's world, most anyone declaring themselves to be some specially created "son of god", and breaking into a synagogue to complain about financial malfeasance while destroying church property would be arrested... and subsequently declared mentally incompetent.
Believing that repeatedly translated quotes compiled into a centuries-old book are "the truth" just because some scientifically ignorant Hebrews said so is not considered "evidence" by rational people.
Is that your only defense..."Myth myth myth..." that's what religion in general makes you think... Science is not the opposite of God. As a matter of fact He created science and the laws of it. Ever wonder why the speed of light will always be the speed of light. It's because God gives it its order. Without God, science does not make sense...vice versa for our generation.
Scientists will not comment of the supernatural which does exist.
Thanks for your great video. I'm 100% with you. The bible has been stomped and trampled on and has been attacked countless times but how does it remain still and standing? It's because of the power behind it and the promises of Jesus when said that many things will pass away but His words will remain forever. Amen?
Yes I believe the Holy Spirit can communicate in whatever way He chooses to. I do believe we are the last generation before the return of Christ. We are the lukewarm generation
Dated to 125 AD? And how did they do that? Did they use scientific methods? Or did they just trust in the lord, leaning not on their own understanding?
You start with the premise that the Bible is true. This is what it nonsense. You are not objective at all. It you want to believe in an invisible friend, go ahead, but don't try to equate it with truth.
Some people apparently like you Dgc2003 are covered with the blanket of ignorance or else you would understand what i was talking about and that what i said is in fact what happened in CERN
Now if you or me really could have the blanket of Faith that would be truly a blessing but we can only strive to pray that God gives us such a thing as faith.
I agree with your thoughts on truth. But what I don't get is why so many Christians think that God communicates through the Bible only? Jesus himself said:
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth
--John 16:7
Jesus never taught that the Bible is the way to Truth, it didn't even exist then. And yet people still could find the Truth. So, while it may help, the Bible is not a necessity. He taught that you have the Spirit of Truth within you to guide you.
Also, Jesus is my Savior. But I think many people misunderstand what Jesus is. Is he just a person who lived 2000 years ago? Or is he the Son of God who exists in Truth, irregardless of how you choose to perceive him? He didn't say that Jesus, the 6 foot body that walked the Earth once, was the only way to God. But that He, the Son of God, is. And he exists in Truth. Although some people may not identify him in their mind with the Jesus of the Bible, it doesn't mean they haven't found Him.
Hebrews 10:19-22-We have salvation through Christ's flesh, through the blood of his sacrifice on the cross.
John 14:6-7-No one can come to God the Father except through Jesus Christ, and you cannot know the Father without knowing the Son.
The fact that God the Son came in human flesh is significant, otherwise we would not have forgiveness of sins. And you need to know Jesus, to hear the gospel and believe on it (see Romans 10:8-15).
Noone can know the Father without knowing the Son, that is true. The Son is REAL, actually in existence, and not just a name. So you can know Christ, but maybe you do not refer to him as Jesus. Do you think that if someone has a living relationship with Jesus in their heart, but call him a different name, Jesus is going to deny them?
Like the Bible says, listen to the Spirit of Truth within you if you want the Truth, and not something outside of yourself. Let the Spirit guide you, not words.
The story of Jesus is a very old story dating back to well over a thousand years before your supposed Jesus ever lived... There have been many messiahs that share the virgin birth, healing the sick, turning water to wine, walking on water, crucifixion and arose on the third day, and many more... You god fearing peeps should read up on the history of religion...
Josephus was born years after this supposed messiah Jesus died... Funny how historians that did lived during his supposed life at the turn of the century have nothing to say about your Jesus... They do talk about other messiahs...
@MDMD03 You cannot know the Christ (the Christos, the Messiah) without knowing his name, his name tells us who he is, Jesus (meaning he will save his people, a reference to Joshua as well). We all have a relationship with Christ, either it is salvific, or it is one of condemnation (those who reject Christ are damned). The Holy Spirit speaks to us through the preaching or reading of the Word, he is not separated from it, and only those who are quickened have the Holy Spirit (1 Cor 1, 2).
The Creator does not hate black people. There is something that is about to happen around the world in the next few years that will prove this very fact.
But the people of color have been under a curse for disobedience. The curse is coming to an end with the age ending.
The people who was once the head in this world will become the tale and the sons of light start to rise.
What a load of garbage, god clearly hates black people. He allowed them to become enslaved and reviled and he also made sure they all live in Africa, which is total crap. Your god is a racist cunt.
You might want to look inside the pyramids and see the pictures of the hebrew slaves and what color they were.
(since you spoke of them being enslaved)
Deut 28 v68
And the YHWH shall bring thee into Mizraim (double borders) again with SHIPS, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be SOLD unto your ENEMIES for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you
No race of people were enslaved by ships but so called blacks
roflmao !!! People of color have been under a curse for disobedience... That is funny stuff, did you just make that up on the fly, or did you read it somewhere ??? And the part about something happening around the world in the next few years was classic... That really had me rolling... :) Please, oh please tell us more about this upcoming event where the head becomes the tail, and the sons of light start to rise... lol !!!
If I tried to explain this to you would you understand. By your disrespectful comments I doubt you would.
Maybe you should try reading the scriptures along with other history books from that time and maybe you would find some things other then what you have been taught by your churches.
From what is seen many times God Uses the most simple ways to bring the most complex Human arguments and sometimes our technologies to shame !
An example of this is The C.E.R.N experiment that was interupted by some bread crums that a bird flying over droped out of its mouth and stoped the Billion dollar experiment !!!!
Finding an old piece of manuscript is neat, but it would be even more impressive if they found a 2,000 year old USB flash drive with it the manuscript on it.
Or better yet, if Jesus had stuck around after the resurrection, a 2,000-year-old guy would be pretty convincing too. Of course, all the repeated assassination attempts, and now suicide bombers, would get irritating for him, but I would assume he could only get killed the first time.
Faith's proof is faith. So it does make one wonder, why there is so much debate. Faith is not predicated on reason, science, or scholarship nor is truth. Actually, in many ways, they both defy valid argument b/c of human limitations: to will, to do, and to gleam.
The original followers of Christ were commissioned to declare not to convince. How did we lose sight.
He was actually executed for blasphemy and had a short life... and he maybe was a fool and a liar... but maybe not... I like the idea of keeping myself open (mind and soul) to try to listen to the spiritual reality around me... I have experienced cool stuff... but again, that's my experience and nobody can base his life in someone's experiences... you gotta live your own..;)
"To all my nonbelieving, sort-of-believing, and used-to-be-believing friends: I feel like I should begin with a confession. I am sorry that so often the biggest obstacle to God has been Christians. Christians who have had so much to say with our mouths and so little to show with our lives. I am sorry that so often we have forgotten the Christ of our Christianity."
Great video! -Just a thought.. You should make a "part 2" to this video explaining WHY we can confirm that the Bible is the only book of divine origin.. I've found that prophecy is the best way to do this... especially events that can be verified outside of the Bible as well (for all the skeptics out there). The Bible sets it self up for self-verification via prophecy; it gives many detailed predictions of the future (most of which have come to pass) and ALL have come true! Powerful evidence.
@photolitherland My Father (God) wants you to study the bible seriously. He doesn't want you to blindly follow or love him. He is willing to earn your trust even by sending his Son to die for you. the problem is that most people will believe what they see and hear on tv without question but call My Father a liar. please seek him truthfully and not as a joke and you will find that these prophecies are being fulfilled! Israel is about to continue sacrifices this year i believe just as prophesied
the point i am making is that these things were prophesied to happen in this generation. no other generation has matched up with the end time prophesies. for the record i dont watch propaganda like tv for truth.
LogosApologia! THANK YOU for this delightful post! Great visuals and back-ground music, not to mention the clear presentation and argument.
Not only is Jesus the only way to have reconciliation with our Precious Heavenly Father, so also is Christ the ONLY way that we can have reconciliation with each other! There IS no other way to peace among people except that we have His sweet Holy Spirit among us and between us! Thanks again! I remain Kafir and GRATEFUL To God in Jesus Christ!
@photolitherland i am sure that the fake war on terror has happened before, or that the hegelian dialectic was used 200 years ago to get people to accept humanism. i am sure that you are aware of the babylonians nuclear weapons. or how in the dark ages Hollywood actors would conjure up spirits to perform roles. you have to be aware of the art of automatic writing being used by in ancient rome to distort an entire christian culture through movies...because you said this all happened before!
see you are so "educated" that you have a hard time comprehending what i said. i bet israel is reborn every 100 years too. and i am sure that queer as folk was on tv in the 1800's. oh and how could i forget that we had movies, games, and music that glorify violence and sex in the 500 years ago. i bet the egyptians broadcasted that there spells on HBO. you are willfully ignorant. but you wont stay that..smh
@photolitherland you can believe what you want. let the prophecies be fulfilled right in front of your eyes. Globalism,Famine,disease,new( old) age religion, growing natural disasters, mid east wars, humanism, evolutionary theory, rebirth of israel as a nation, homosexuality made popular, extreme Liberalism, abortion, Glorification of sex and violence, Glorification of witchcraft (Disney movies, harry potter), scoffers of the return of Christ, etc. all these and much more are prophetic evidence.
thats good have your atheism.. to each his own. cherish your foolishness. while i follow Christ. follow humanism. while i follow His Spirit. follow your gurus,scientist,and politicians.while i follow the bible. we are trying to warn you but you are so caught up with yourself that you are blind. when disaster brakes in the West like in haiti call on Richard Dawkins to help you!
@joeprofits - SOME commercial psychics ARE playing on peoples' superstitions in order to make money ... but how is that any different from a "Reverend" or "Rabbi", or "Priest" pressuring members of their congregations to pledge a % of their income to the church (tithe) in order to be accepted as a loyal, contributing member, and feel that sense of fellowship and belonging that most people crave?
Most people have had occasional psychic experiences. Telepathy is common. We "know" who's calling
@Pantekhnikon tithing comes from the bible. it is between you and God. its just like praying or worship. it belongs to God. when not abused it is used to pay the bills of the church along with mortgage. it is also used to feed the poor and bring hope into peoples lives. when its not abused.
The majority of scholars date this account at 35 AD
For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep. (1 Cor 15:36) 500 eyewitnesses!
The truth is that everything in this life...your life, my life, whatever...all boils down to the luck of the draw.
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Born4gain 1 month ago
Truth is transcultural huh? tell that to the many Native Americans and Amerindians that died because of your Truth.
EmotionalIntrovert 3 months ago
Hi, I'm just wondering what music track is used right in the beginning of the video? The little one that opens the video. Thanks
o0enhancing0o 7 months ago
@o0enhancing0o Its stock music with sonicfireplus scoring software. Sorry I forget the name.
LogosApologia 7 months ago
This video will probably make God laugh. (All small talk).
Jesus Christ is truth, He is the way life and light.
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wildhias 1 year ago
Good video.
The origin of the universe has a true answer regardless of your belief that god did it also. Because you only believe he did it. Beliefs are independent of truth, as you well put it. The claims of the bible are also independent of it. Whether we understand it, use it or believe it, it's still the claim of being the word of god, a belief that, as any other, can be right or wrong. All we have are more or less supported claims; you seem to believe the less supported ones.
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ha big bang cosmology verified that god created the earth?
blahblahphl 1 year ago
We viewed your video tonight and it led to some great discussion. Thanks again.
Coachweave 1 year ago
@Coachweave That is encouraging to hear! Relativism is probably one of the worst problems in our culture (and church) right now.
LogosApologia 11 months ago
My small group just began a study on "What is Truth?" and this video communicates the main premises very well. THANK YOU. I plan to show this at our next meeting.
Coachweave 1 year ago
@Coachweave Thanks! I am honored you want to use it.
LogosApologia 1 year ago
@Igotnogod Abraham was tested with his own son and God stopped him at the last moment. Physical death is not the end anyway, Jesus proved that. Your question is really not valid as it is loaded with fallacious presuppositions you have made. You seem to think there are "innocents" ordered killed by God ...yet your question presupposes God exists so I guess you are no longer an atheist? If you are an atheist you have a serious coherence problem.
LogosApologia 1 year ago
@LogosApologia Its a simple question. The great thing about being a free thinker is that we can ask questions that stay within the confines of others' perspectives. Playing by your rules i ask you if you would kill a baby, from a heathenistic nation, If your god told you to.
What happened to abraham and his son is pure wickedness but that isn't what i was talking about. I'm talking about 1 Samuel 15. Go ahead. read it in context. Would you kill an Amalek baby? simple question. yes or no.
Igotnogod 1 year ago
@Igotnogod You cannot divorce the biblical narrative from its ancient context and just impose a modern context and then make a moral judgment. What basis do you have to object? If we are just the products of random forces and Darwinism and an Amalek baby was from a weaker tribe - it would in crease your and your offsprings chances for survival ,so by the tenets of your atheistic worldview on what basis would you object?
LogosApologia 1 year ago
@LogosApologia ",so by the tenets of your atheistic worldview on what basis would you object?" To the part where an imaginary person tells someone to kill a baby (or anyone else).
"You cannot divorce the biblical narrative from its ancient context and just impose a modern context and then make a moral judgment." But you have no problem divorcing a commandment of God (do be-a-killin folks) from God's commandment to kill. Does this ring a bell... something about law of non-contradiction?
paleosmoker 1 year ago
@paleosmoker You have confused "murder" with "kill". The command is do not murder, God instituted capital punishment with Noah. They are not the same. still We use the same laws today.
LogosApologia 1 year ago
@LogosApologia
Kill... murder, different words to describe taking a human life. God certainly doesn't come down and tell men when it's lawful to take a life, these laws are constructed by men. And, we most certainly don't use the same laws today (only the terms murder and kill are the same... but are of course different in language so there not even the same words either). We don't exercise capital punishment today for the same offenses as in the OT, so what's the same again?
paleosmoker 1 year ago
@paleosmoker If you can not distinguish the moral difference between the terms murder and kill I don't see how we can have a meaningful discussion.
LogosApologia 11 months ago
@LogosApologia Moral difference? It is morally wrong to take a life for fun...but, it is morally right to take the life of someone who has do so. It is morally right to take the life of a national traitor or in self defense (or according to God, for being disobedient to parents, working on the Sabbath or not being heard screaming while being raped).
You seem to be the one having difficulty. You can't distinguish that it is man's law which separate murder from killing, not God.
paleosmoker 11 months ago
@paleosmoker You were the one who above invoked the law of non contradiction by equating the two. So obviously you are not making the distinction. I wonder on what grounds do you make moral judgments. Where do moral values come from?
LogosApologia 11 months ago
@LogosApologia I was applying the law of non-contradiction to God... not to man's laws. For God to command that we only kill those whom it is legally alright to kill is... well, useless. Isn't it?
God says: "don't you murder people... but certainly, it is o.k. to kill them." Haha
Perhaps, you would care to point out bible verses that distinguish "murder" from "kill"? You know, something that doesn't appeal to man's authority but to God's.
paleosmoker 11 months ago
There is no contradiction, ““You shall not murder. (Ex 20:13) and ““Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for God made man in his own image. (Ge 9:6) You failed to distinguish between murder and kill... The people God ordered them to kill were not innocent victims.
LogosApologia 11 months ago
@LogosApologia
Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy[a] all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys (1 Samuel 15:3). Does that contradict Ge 9:6? After all, it doesn't say "if they have committed murder". It is a commandment to murder women and children! I guess the infants aren't innocent either?
That is very straight forward, this is why I said He contradicted Himself.
paleosmoker 11 months ago
@paleosmoker No but the Amalekites were not by any means innocent . You are still avoiding the issue, the commandment is "do not murder" A holy war commanded by God is not the same as murder.
LogosApologia 11 months ago
@LogosApologia
The children and infants were not innocent?
"A holy war commanded by God is not the same as murder. "
That's the distinction I was waiting for you to make... 'it isn't murder if God commands it'.
God commands not to murder (Ex 20:13) but then turns around and commands men to slay little children (1 Sam 15:3) who certainly are not guilty of shedding the blood of man (Ge 9:6).
How is killing infants not not considered murder?
paleosmoker 11 months ago
@paleosmoker It's really obvious that war is not the same as murder. When the USA dropped bombs on Germany and Japan in WW2 they killed children, it isn't considered murder. Its war. You are also divorcing of its context in that God certainly had good reasons for it. It has been proven by archeology that the Canaanites practiced infant sacrifice and other horrors. Its not very difficult to understand why their eradication was necessary.
LogosApologia 11 months ago
@LogosApologia It's also really obvious that the Israelite people did not kill with nuclear-bombs... they used swords (very personal and selective killing weapons). And you ignore the fact God said to kill the infants... Please name any war (other than one's declared by God) that expressly mandated the killing of children and infants.
Only God has given that mandate. He commands people not to murder then commands people to murder... His reasons are irrelevant, He contradicted Himself. Period.
paleosmoker 11 months ago
@paleosmoker Sure it was brutal and seems very harsh but all war is. If you can not see that killing in a war is not the same a murder, which is done by an individual for their own personal reasons, then meaningful discourse is impossible. You simply want to believe in spite of logic and reason.
LogosApologia 11 months ago
@LogosApologia
As I said
1) This war is fought man to man, face to face. Every man that killed, did so on an individual basis.
2) God commanded the murder of women, children and infants. Certainly most of which had not shed the blood of man.
3) God's reason isn't the issue, it is the fact He commanded men to murder children and infants.
4) You claim the intentional murdering babies is justified because God ordered it... yet you ignore the fact He contradicts himself by doing so.
paleosmoker 11 months ago
@paleosmoker "God's reason isn't the issue," The reason precisely IS the issue in the distinction between murdering and Kill. That is really obvious. I sent you a PM with a link to a podcast on the top ten misunderstood bible verses. If you will listen to that you will get your answer.
LogosApologia 11 months ago
@LA None of the sites links worked.
You just can't see how bad your argument is. God says not to take a life but then He can turn around and tell you to do so because He is the one that decides what murder is, not you. God can command you to dash any number of infants against the rocks and it isn't "murder" it's just "killing" and you'd be guilty of nothing, just like Andrea Yates, Deanna Laney and LaShaun Harris.
And what's you problem with infant sacrifice? God accepted a virgin sacrifice.
paleosmoker 11 months ago
@paleosmoker The link works, its an RSS feed just download the top mp3 file: "Top 10 (or so) Misundertood Bible Verses (Part 2)" and listen to the first 10 minutes or so as they handle this issue specifically. .
LogosApologia 11 months ago
Anyone who is interested in having paleo's objection explained in detail can do a search for the "Straight Thinking" podcast by reasons to believe, it just so happened that the very latest episode as of 3/18 :
Top 10 (or so) Misundertood Bible Verses (Part 2)
is on this specific issue and answers the question directly. A very fortuitous occurrence to say the least!
LogosApologia 11 months ago
@LogosApologia I have to say I’m not finding their argument any more compelling that yours. Krista says that God wanted to separate His people from others, to have them live differently and not have them running around killing each other for no reason. Please provide any example where it is acceptable behavior to go around killing people. Seriously, she specifies Egypt; do you really think it was acceptable to run around killing in Egypt?
paleosmoker 11 months ago
They speak of deliberations on the matter making a difference and warfare and executions are exceptions because they aren’t “hotheaded” responses. Executions could be carried out if a girl got raped and no one heard her scream or if someone was gathering stick on the Sabbath. They have the audacity to question “do we carry out war in a just manner”? Murder was defined as deliberately killing an innocent human being without just cause… It sure takes a twisted mind to justify killing babies.
paleosmoker 11 months ago
@paleosmoker I guess you are pro-life and actively oppose abortion as well since you are so worried about the Canaanite babies?
This killing the Canaanites topic was discussed this week on Greg Koukl's podcast the last hour is an interview with Clay Jones who has researched the Canaanites thoroughly his conclusion is that it was much needed Capital Punishment due to their corruption and perversion. > Stand To Reason - "Clay Jones on the Problem of Evil and Destruction of Canaanites"
LogosApologia 11 months ago
@LogosApologia
I’ll just grant the claims about the Canaanites (for argument’s sake). Again, it isn’t the reasoning but the contradiction that is the issue. God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah himself (no contradiction) but He told ‘man’ to murder man (infants)… something He already said not to do (contradiction). They ask if God has the right to take life (I figure sure) but the problem is that men are the ones taking the life not God. God does not wield a sword.
paleosmoker 11 months ago
@paleosmoker There simply is no contradiction as already explained God never commanded "do not kill" -- there is such a thing a killing for a morally sufficient reason. Since you must allow that God exists and is doing the commanding to make your argument, you must also allow the logical possibility that God knew they were beyond hope - also you cannot rule out the possibility that God accepted the infants into heaven and spared them a brutal life of incest and abuse.
LogosApologia 11 months ago
Murder is characterized by a malicious selfish motive. I trust when God commanded Joshua to kill the Canaanites he had a morally sufficient reason. The very fact that God (who created life) commanded it makes it not murder - it is obedience to God. It is not valid 3,000 years later to claim to have a superior moral perspective on the situation. God demonstrates love and even came himself as a man and died brutally for sinful people,I trust he had just cause.
LogosApologia 11 months ago
@LogosApologia
"The very fact that God (who created life) commanded it makes it not murder - it is obedience to God."
So what pray tell is it if a man gives the commandment rather than God?
And as I've mentioned twice so far, by your claim, Andrea Yates, Deanna Laney and LaShaun Harris are NOT guilty of murder- They were obedient to God's commandment. Or do you think this is a straw-man too?
paleosmoker 11 months ago
@paleosmoker Sorry I don't think those characters are in the Bible.
LogosApologia 11 months ago
@LogosApologia You're right they are real people. You think the people in the bible are just characters? Does God only talk to people that died thousands of years ago?
Again, is a commandment to take a life, given by a man murder or killing (if it isn't in accord with a law given by God)?
paleosmoker 11 months ago
@paleosmoker A commandment is only spoken words, so no it is not murder nor killing. Websters defines murder as "the crime of unlawfully killing a person esp. with malice aforethought " Thus by the standard dictionary killing in warfare just doesn't qualify. This is like beating a dead horse, you objection has been explained ad nauseum, if you do not accept it that's your prerogative. I am more curious as to why you believe it morally objectionable to kill given atheism.
LogosApologia 11 months ago
@LogosApologia Didn't you also say that God gave man capital punishment earlier? But it is also OK for men to construct their own laws regarding the taking of life, right?
"Thus by the standard dictionary killing in warfare just doesn't qualify." Even if you kill a non-combatant? Even if it is done just for fun? People commit murder during war, I'm surprised you didn't know.
paleosmoker 11 months ago
@paleosmoker In regard to capital punishment you are confusing contexts. The Israelites were in a covenant relationship with God. Laws are made by governments today.
LogosApologia 11 months ago
@LogosApologia So the Israelites got there laws from God? And we get our laws from the government.
First, does a gov. law now trump God's law?
Second, didn't governments make laws in the past?
Did God give a law that drew a line for taking the life of infants? One that clarifies the difference between murder and killing?
paleosmoker 11 months ago
@paleosmoker The Israelites were in a suzerain vassal covenant called the Mosaic covenant and their laws were the stipulations of that covenant. They were a special case. When Jesus came he raised the bar to a higher moral standard, see the sermon on the mount. As followers of Christ we obey civil laws unless they directly conflict the biblical teachings, like the Christians who were killed by the Romans for not worshiping the Emperor, or look up Richard Wurmbrand on YT.
LogosApologia 10 months ago
@LogosApologia
God gave the Israelites laws regarding what was acceptable killing (unchaste women on wedding night, unruly youths, homosexuals, etc.) but again, what was his law regarding infants? Was it o.k. to kill infants at will?
paleosmoker 10 months ago
@paleosmoker the distinction between the holy war situation and individual conduct has already been addressed. How can you say it is morally wrong for someone to kill babies given atheism?
LogosApologia 10 months ago
@LogosApologia You keep saying there is a distinction but to make that distinction still leaves God making a contradictory command (remember this conversation is about contradiction not right and wrong). Unless God gave laws specifying allowing for the killing of infants He contradicted His commandment not to murder. That was the substance of my very first comment and has been my argument the entire time.
God told men to break the very laws He supposedly gave to them.
paleosmoker 10 months ago
@paleosmoker You are just ignoring the facts: the command not to murder is an individual act. God's warfare command was to the entire nation as an act of holy war known as herem. It's a category error to claim a contradiction, you are just pounding square pegs into round holes to make a argument. Its not valid.
LogosApologia 10 months ago
@LogosApologia And you are ignoring the fact that genocide by any other name (herem) is still considered murder.
paleosmoker 10 months ago
@LogosApologia There is no place where "murder" is acceptable, whether they believe in your god or not.
Thou shall not... unless... I'm sure that God commanding Abraham to sacrifice Isaac is also justified because 1) God told him too (like the children of Andrea Yates, Deanna Laney and LaShaun Harris) or 2) it was a sacrifice therefore not murder (like Jepthah's daughter).
God says: don't take a life unjustly...but, if I tell you to it is just!
Let Him do is own killing.
paleosmoker 11 months ago
My argument only superficially presupposes God; I certainly feel that men give all commandments. God doesn’t need man to kill for Him. He is supposed to have flood, famine, and natural disasters of all ilks at His disposal. It is far more rational (and probable) to think man invoked God’s name to rally other men to his cause (in this case conquering another land). I could (hypothetically) accept God overturning one commandment with another but it is still contradictory.
paleosmoker 11 months ago
@paleo "God doesn’t need man to kill for Him" -> Need? No.. but God uses men and nations to execute justice. He used the Assyrians and Babylonians to do roughly the same to Israel as Joshua did to the Canaanites. He also can use natural disasters but those tend to be even worse. Perhaps you really haven't studied the issue because the very 1st city of the conquest, Jericho, was conquered by miraculous means.
LogosApologia 11 months ago
@paleosmoker The 10 commandments context was personal behavior and ethics. A command from God obviously transcends personal choices. You just having a strawman festival with the word "murder". It's getting silly, Give it up.
LogosApologia 11 months ago
@paleosmoker So I wonder why is it that you believe it is morally wrong to kill Canaanites? Do you believe that there are absolute moral values?
LogosApologia 11 months ago
@LogosApologia My concern isn't with right or wrong (in this instance) it is with contradiction.
Unless, one of God's loop-holes (laws for killing people) includes a rule for stabbing children and infants then He has commanded murder. Please tell me if I missed that verse.
A contradictory commandment from an all knowing (perfect) being. It doesn't add up.
But to answer your question no, morals aren't absolute. They vary from culture to culture and through time. This is demonstrable.
paleosmoker 11 months ago
@paleo That is logically incoherent. Murder would be an individual killing someone for a selfish reason. The very fact that they were obeying a command from God eliminates the contradiction.
If morals are not absolute, then they are only preferences, they actually do not vary much - only peoples interpretations of the facts vary. Hindus think it is immoral to kill a cow but Christians do not mind killing cows. But their morals are really the same...
LogosApologia 11 months ago
I remeber the time I realised the difference between facts and truth. Facts are a 'dime a dozen' - but truth can be quite hard to find. Facts should point to truth - but there are many many examples where this is not so.
By the way, it's worth looking up the 'flat earth myth' as it's refered to in this vid.
AndyWhite007 1 year ago
The most important truth is the Gospel, declared in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 - Christ's death, burial and resurrection. John 3:16 says that those who believe in Him (the Messiah, redeemer and sacrifice for our sins) will not perish but have eternal life. This is our judgement. We have broken the Law and offended the infinitely worthy God. The crime is so offensive that no one can pay for it with his good works, so hell is forever. Christ, being God, out of His mercy paid it for those who believe it.
MichaelGabrielR 1 year ago
What is truth? Does it matter?
ojawall 1 year ago
@ojawall I bet you don't say that to your Surgeon.
LogosApologia 1 year ago
ok, another big mistake you made was saying that 'all pluralists think non-pluralists are wrong', or relativists, or w/e. This is not necessarily the case. You have paul feyerabend in your tag, if you were familiar with his work you would know that, for him, that relativism isnt some secular humanist 'pat eachother on the back' tolerance bandwagon, but a movement for the restoration of cultures- that even though the shamans of south america may not be relativists, as long as they're not...
murderd2death 1 year ago
@murderd2death
(continued) forging and forwarding an imperialistic institution for the domination of all other cultures and beliefs, they're alright, and not deluding themselves with patriarchal dominatrix mish mosh at another cultures expense, like the 'christian' missionaries of old who murdered, enslaved and indoctrinated somao, the americas, northern europe, and parts of asia.
murderd2death 1 year ago
@murderd2death
(continued) so the jist of relativism, as a social movement, is not 'all is relative, were right, your wrong, bow down to us!', more like, 'hey, my truth is my truth and yours is yours, if you want to talk about it over coffee thats cool, but you cracking your whip is just power play and not making your belief any more truer.'
murderd2death 1 year ago
i have to disagree horribly about the part were religions have more in contradiction then in common.
murderd2death 1 year ago
The Truth is to have Faith and believe what Jesus taught us. "I am the life and resurrection." We shall believe God teaching in the Bible. The Bible is the true word of God.
Susanna129 1 year ago
i am a follower of Christ and I find this video an expression of hypocrisy... by the very definition of tolerance that the video itself defines as such. Case in point... the random gawking "Obama" character. If you want to reach people in love and compassion to help them see the Truth... this video would not be the way to do it.
CrazyAuntSarah 1 year ago
what is truth? Jesus answers it perfectly. Very good presentation
davidwsheltonfamily 2 years ago
Please don`t piss down my leg and tell me its raining. You are litlle more then a vulgar propogandist playing games with words. Don't send me anymore posts about these rediculous videos.
ANDR3W1848 2 years ago
love it love it love it !
Jordanicolass 2 years ago
my computer says 1+1 = 10 , i shall burn it as it is untruthful...
NobleBg 2 years ago
Sorry. There is no TRUTH in religion. You can create some talking point and call it TRUTH, but it will not stand up to critical, rational scrutiny.
redcloak676 2 years ago
Id love to see that with German subtitles!
I suppose this vid is about exlusivsm. But what about inclusicm, that claims, that christianity is the best of all religions but not the only and is opposed to pluralism, that claims that all religions are equal?
LorenzoLassek 2 years ago
i could never accept a god who drowns his own children for misbehaving. How do you make this ok in your mind? If god commanded you to drown an atheist baby would you do it?
Igotnogod 2 years ago 2
@Igotnogod His own children? I think you are misinformed. If you mean the great flood God saved saved his children. Noah warned and people laughed at him,"Just as it was in the days of Noah, so will it be in the days of the Son of Man. They were eating and drinking and marrying and being given in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all." What will you be doing when Jesus returns?
LogosApologia 1 year ago
@LogosApologia Babies of heathens deserve to be destroyed? If god told you to kill a baby atheist, would you do it?
Igotnogod 1 year ago
@Igotnogod This really isn't coherent since babies cannot really be "atheists."
LogosApologia 1 year ago
@LogosApologia Don't dance around the point of the question. If god told you to kill a baby of a heathen nation , would you kill that baby?
Igotnogod 1 year ago
@LogosApologia Don't dance around the point of the question. If god asked you to kill a baby of a heathen nation, would you kill that baby? simple question.
Igotnogod 1 year ago
@LogosApologia Don't dance around the point of the question. If god asked you to kill a baby of a heathen nation, would you kill that baby? simple question.
Igotnogod 1 year ago
@Igotnogod Ezekiel 33:11 'As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live. Turn!
LogosApologia 1 year ago
Meh,
This is why I hate establishments like the church.His message was and has always been that we are ALL the children of God. Calling Jesus the only begotten son of God Mocks his message.
russkeller 2 years ago
@russkeller HIS message was that he is the only begotten Son of God. It's your message that is different.
LogosApologia 2 years ago
What could be a more important message for humanity than God's Word and His Law. And yet he only gave it to a small group of men in a very small geographical area. In 2000 years it has spread, but not really all that far. about 1/3 of all people identify as Christian but that includes RC's, CoE and Liberal Evangelicals all of which I don't think you would count (please correct me if I'm wrong).
What I'm getting at is why are there not any Chinese gospels or Inuit or Peruvian etc.
doireallyneed1 2 years ago
Cont'd from above -
How many billions of people in the non-western world have lived and died without ever hearing the Good News. They have lived outside of The Covenant but not because they rejected Christ but because they did not have the opportunity to choose.
If God has a master plan for each and every person on the earth then was His plan for these people to live outside of His Love and to burn in hell for eternity?
doireallyneed1 2 years ago
@doireallyneed1 There are Chinese gospels, there was a Christian outpost in China by second century CE. The question really is, if it actually bothers you so much, then why aren't you a missionary?
LogosApologia 2 years ago
@LogosApologia,
I did not mean to misrepresent myself. I'm not a missionary because I'm not a Christian. The questions I posed were written from a hypothetical point of view (taking the Bible in a literal way).
- - -cont'd
doireallyneed1 2 years ago
cont'd - - -
I am still interested in your thoughts about these questions:
Does God want us to live by the Law and to abide by the New Covenant? Are these not the keystones of the Christian Faith? How can so many billions of people be allowed to live their lives without the "light of Christ" in their lives?
Why has God abandoned them?
Will they not burn in Hell?
If not Hell, then why do they live outside of God's love?
doireallyneed1 2 years ago
@doireallyneed1 Those are really good questions that deserve more than a simple post. I suggest you read the book the Case For Faith by Lee Strobel.
LogosApologia 2 years ago
@LogosApologia,
If you would rather not respond to me in this comments section you can send me a PM. If you have the time I am still interested to know what you think.
doireallyneed1 2 years ago
Well someone is right and the true God said, "I AM that I AM " and Jesus said I AM the way, THE TRUTH, and the life, and no man comes to the Father but by me. People can choose to "beleive" what they want but it doesn't ever change the Truth and it will never change the fact of who God really is. "So I say to you: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you." God is not limited by man's scientific capability to explain Him.
GREEN3305 2 years ago
@GREEN3305 - In today's world, most anyone declaring themselves to be some specially created "son of god", and breaking into a synagogue to complain about financial malfeasance while destroying church property would be arrested... and subsequently declared mentally incompetent.
Believing that repeatedly translated quotes compiled into a centuries-old book are "the truth" just because some scientifically ignorant Hebrews said so is not considered "evidence" by rational people.
Pantekhnikon 1 year ago
@photolitherland
Is that your only defense..."Myth myth myth..." that's what religion in general makes you think... Science is not the opposite of God. As a matter of fact He created science and the laws of it. Ever wonder why the speed of light will always be the speed of light. It's because God gives it its order. Without God, science does not make sense...vice versa for our generation.
Scientists will not comment of the supernatural which does exist.
Jesus Christ= The only way.
bayskee 2 years ago
@photolitherland You are simply making a category error by comparing science to Genesis, they are completely different genres of writing.
LogosApologia 2 years ago
@photolitherland You haven't done enough study to understand what Genesis is about.
LogosApologia 2 years ago
Thanks for your great video. I'm 100% with you. The bible has been stomped and trampled on and has been attacked countless times but how does it remain still and standing? It's because of the power behind it and the promises of Jesus when said that many things will pass away but His words will remain forever. Amen?
Yes I believe the Holy Spirit can communicate in whatever way He chooses to. I do believe we are the last generation before the return of Christ. We are the lukewarm generation
bayskee 2 years ago
Thanks! I always knew that God's word is true. Now I understand it even better!
tdforjesus 2 years ago
Dated to 125 AD? And how did they do that? Did they use scientific methods? Or did they just trust in the lord, leaning not on their own understanding?
drumrnva 2 years ago
@drumrnva Yes scientific methods, Paleographic evidence, the link to the museum is on the side bar.
LogosApologia 2 years ago
Thanks for this. As I am trying to write a book on emergent and bible might use some of this especialy with what is going on.
God bless
Dave emme
daveme7 2 years ago
Thats not the order of creation. I will send you the order of creation.
bananabebop 2 years ago
You start with the premise that the Bible is true. This is what it nonsense. You are not objective at all. It you want to believe in an invisible friend, go ahead, but don't try to equate it with truth.
granitelocal 2 years ago
This is all nonsense. You add one plus one and come up with none.
granitelocal 2 years ago
Some people apparently like you Dgc2003 are covered with the blanket of ignorance or else you would understand what i was talking about and that what i said is in fact what happened in CERN
Now if you or me really could have the blanket of Faith that would be truly a blessing but we can only strive to pray that God gives us such a thing as faith.
Realmasterorder 2 years ago
I agree with your thoughts on truth. But what I don't get is why so many Christians think that God communicates through the Bible only? Jesus himself said:
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth
--John 16:7
Jesus never taught that the Bible is the way to Truth, it didn't even exist then. And yet people still could find the Truth. So, while it may help, the Bible is not a necessity. He taught that you have the Spirit of Truth within you to guide you.
MDMD03 2 years ago
Also, Jesus is my Savior. But I think many people misunderstand what Jesus is. Is he just a person who lived 2000 years ago? Or is he the Son of God who exists in Truth, irregardless of how you choose to perceive him? He didn't say that Jesus, the 6 foot body that walked the Earth once, was the only way to God. But that He, the Son of God, is. And he exists in Truth. Although some people may not identify him in their mind with the Jesus of the Bible, it doesn't mean they haven't found Him.
MDMD03 2 years ago
For your consideration, you needn't respond.
Hebrews 10:19-22-We have salvation through Christ's flesh, through the blood of his sacrifice on the cross.
John 14:6-7-No one can come to God the Father except through Jesus Christ, and you cannot know the Father without knowing the Son.
The fact that God the Son came in human flesh is significant, otherwise we would not have forgiveness of sins. And you need to know Jesus, to hear the gospel and believe on it (see Romans 10:8-15).
Read the Word.
espunde 2 years ago
Noone can know the Father without knowing the Son, that is true. The Son is REAL, actually in existence, and not just a name. So you can know Christ, but maybe you do not refer to him as Jesus. Do you think that if someone has a living relationship with Jesus in their heart, but call him a different name, Jesus is going to deny them?
Like the Bible says, listen to the Spirit of Truth within you if you want the Truth, and not something outside of yourself. Let the Spirit guide you, not words.
MDMD03 2 years ago
The story of Jesus is a very old story dating back to well over a thousand years before your supposed Jesus ever lived... There have been many messiahs that share the virgin birth, healing the sick, turning water to wine, walking on water, crucifixion and arose on the third day, and many more... You god fearing peeps should read up on the history of religion...
^..^
TheWildAssCopyCat 2 years ago
Jesus' life is an historical fact. His life and death are recorded in the writings of Josephus, a first century Jewish historian.
gloopey1 2 years ago
Josephus was born years after this supposed messiah Jesus died... Funny how historians that did lived during his supposed life at the turn of the century have nothing to say about your Jesus... They do talk about other messiahs...
^..^
TheWildAssCopyCat 2 years ago
@TheWildAssCopyCat What historians from Jesus lifetime have you studied?
LogosApologia 2 years ago
@MDMD03 You cannot know the Christ (the Christos, the Messiah) without knowing his name, his name tells us who he is, Jesus (meaning he will save his people, a reference to Joshua as well). We all have a relationship with Christ, either it is salvific, or it is one of condemnation (those who reject Christ are damned). The Holy Spirit speaks to us through the preaching or reading of the Word, he is not separated from it, and only those who are quickened have the Holy Spirit (1 Cor 1, 2).
espunde 1 year ago
Why does god hate black people?
julesmailnz2010 2 years ago
@julesmailnz2010
The Creator does not hate black people. There is something that is about to happen around the world in the next few years that will prove this very fact.
But the people of color have been under a curse for disobedience. The curse is coming to an end with the age ending.
The people who was once the head in this world will become the tale and the sons of light start to rise.
Everything has its own time and place.
1HelpingMany 2 years ago
1HelpingMany
What a load of garbage, god clearly hates black people. He allowed them to become enslaved and reviled and he also made sure they all live in Africa, which is total crap. Your god is a racist cunt.
julesmailnz2010 2 years ago
Moses married a black woman, how can god hate them?
They are of flesh and blood and Christ loves everyone.
klegster 2 years ago
@klegster
Moses? The guy who met god on top of a mountain and was given commandments written in stone?
lol
julesmailnz2010 2 years ago
@julesmailnz2010
You might want to look inside the pyramids and see the pictures of the hebrew slaves and what color they were.
(since you spoke of them being enslaved)
Deut 28 v68
And the YHWH shall bring thee into Mizraim (double borders) again with SHIPS, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be SOLD unto your ENEMIES for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy you
No race of people were enslaved by ships but so called blacks
1HelpingMany 2 years ago
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roflmao !!! People of color have been under a curse for disobedience... That is funny stuff, did you just make that up on the fly, or did you read it somewhere ??? And the part about something happening around the world in the next few years was classic... That really had me rolling... :) Please, oh please tell us more about this upcoming event where the head becomes the tail, and the sons of light start to rise... lol !!!
^..^
TheWildAssCopyCat 2 years ago
@TheWildAssCopyCat
If I tried to explain this to you would you understand. By your disrespectful comments I doubt you would.
Maybe you should try reading the scriptures along with other history books from that time and maybe you would find some things other then what you have been taught by your churches.
1HelpingMany 2 years ago
christianity makes me lol
revbian 2 years ago
Why would you ever send me a message about this bullshit video?
Dgc2003 2 years ago
From what is seen many times God Uses the most simple ways to bring the most complex Human arguments and sometimes our technologies to shame !
An example of this is The C.E.R.N experiment that was interupted by some bread crums that a bird flying over droped out of its mouth and stoped the Billion dollar experiment !!!!
Realmasterorder 2 years ago
@Realmasterorder
Oh to live in your naive little world, i'd love to be covered in a cozy blanket of ignorance and faith
Dgc2003 2 years ago
Many are called but few are chosen.
lisareynolds64 2 years ago
This video is spot-on. Our opinions concerning the Word of God is irrelevant - it is still the Word of God. Period. Amen.
JPSaxMan 2 years ago
@JPSaxMan The bible is fiction, only fools beleive
theworldturnsdaily 2 years ago
I wonder what his GDI(God Delusion Index) is?
Finding an old piece of manuscript is neat, but it would be even more impressive if they found a 2,000 year old USB flash drive with it the manuscript on it.
Or better yet, if Jesus had stuck around after the resurrection, a 2,000-year-old guy would be pretty convincing too. Of course, all the repeated assassination attempts, and now suicide bombers, would get irritating for him, but I would assume he could only get killed the first time.
l337pwnage 2 years ago
I like it. NIce work. One question: would Jesus pirate Enya?
mcreynoldspa 2 years ago
lol
formerutuber 2 years ago
@mcreynoldspa what is enya?
LogosApologia 2 years ago
ok its just stock music for video making.
LogosApologia 2 years ago
You're clearly a nut but apart from the voiceover (and it's content) this looks nice. What kind of rig (hardware + software) are ou using?
mcreynoldspa 2 years ago
There is no REASON or SCIENCE to proof FAITH... Christianity is Proposed not Imposed...
Your truth is yours, based in your experiences and no body can't take it...
Love was Jesus Biggest teaching...
There is life in Jesus, true life, but you've gotta find it your self...
The Holy Spirit is the only Authority, and the only Teacher and Reveller of the truth, and Bible is a awesome book too...
Please keep seeking... you will find it. ;)
AvelarGabriel 2 years ago
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Strafete 2 years ago
"Christianity is proposed not imposed.' Great!
Faith's proof is faith. So it does make one wonder, why there is so much debate. Faith is not predicated on reason, science, or scholarship nor is truth. Actually, in many ways, they both defy valid argument b/c of human limitations: to will, to do, and to gleam.
The original followers of Christ were commissioned to declare not to convince. How did we lose sight.
Strafete 2 years ago
@AvelarGabriel Simply, Jesus was executed for blashem, he was a fool and a liar and that is why he had such a short life
theworldturnsdaily 2 years ago
He was actually executed for blasphemy and had a short life... and he maybe was a fool and a liar... but maybe not... I like the idea of keeping myself open (mind and soul) to try to listen to the spiritual reality around me... I have experienced cool stuff... but again, that's my experience and nobody can base his life in someone's experiences... you gotta live your own..;)
AvelarGabriel 2 years ago
I just want to quote Shane Clayborne:
"To all my nonbelieving, sort-of-believing, and used-to-be-believing friends: I feel like I should begin with a confession. I am sorry that so often the biggest obstacle to God has been Christians. Christians who have had so much to say with our mouths and so little to show with our lives. I am sorry that so often we have forgotten the Christ of our Christianity."
AvelarGabriel 2 years ago
Good video, one to add to my Favorites list. :)
Tsuruta1 2 years ago
nice video
KiwiChristian 2 years ago
Great video! -Just a thought.. You should make a "part 2" to this video explaining WHY we can confirm that the Bible is the only book of divine origin.. I've found that prophecy is the best way to do this... especially events that can be verified outside of the Bible as well (for all the skeptics out there). The Bible sets it self up for self-verification via prophecy; it gives many detailed predictions of the future (most of which have come to pass) and ALL have come true! Powerful evidence.
pratt2181 2 years ago 2
@photolitherland My Father (God) wants you to study the bible seriously. He doesn't want you to blindly follow or love him. He is willing to earn your trust even by sending his Son to die for you. the problem is that most people will believe what they see and hear on tv without question but call My Father a liar. please seek him truthfully and not as a joke and you will find that these prophecies are being fulfilled! Israel is about to continue sacrifices this year i believe just as prophesied
joeprofits 2 years ago
the point i am making is that these things were prophesied to happen in this generation. no other generation has matched up with the end time prophesies. for the record i dont watch propaganda like tv for truth.
joeprofits 2 years ago
LogosApologia! THANK YOU for this delightful post! Great visuals and back-ground music, not to mention the clear presentation and argument.
Not only is Jesus the only way to have reconciliation with our Precious Heavenly Father, so also is Christ the ONLY way that we can have reconciliation with each other! There IS no other way to peace among people except that we have His sweet Holy Spirit among us and between us! Thanks again! I remain Kafir and GRATEFUL To God in Jesus Christ!
ThLuckyOne 2 years ago 4
Yeah True that Jesus said that ! But what is Jesus, if he is the truth? Then becomes the question. More extrapolation on his word?
toiroforcado 2 years ago
Yeah, that is in America but you may want to check out some other countries...
Jioia69 2 years ago
you will be ignorant until it is to late.
joeprofits 2 years ago
@photolitherland i am sure that the fake war on terror has happened before, or that the hegelian dialectic was used 200 years ago to get people to accept humanism. i am sure that you are aware of the babylonians nuclear weapons. or how in the dark ages Hollywood actors would conjure up spirits to perform roles. you have to be aware of the art of automatic writing being used by in ancient rome to distort an entire christian culture through movies...because you said this all happened before!
joeprofits 2 years ago
see you are so "educated" that you have a hard time comprehending what i said. i bet israel is reborn every 100 years too. and i am sure that queer as folk was on tv in the 1800's. oh and how could i forget that we had movies, games, and music that glorify violence and sex in the 500 years ago. i bet the egyptians broadcasted that there spells on HBO. you are willfully ignorant. but you wont stay that..smh
joeprofits 2 years ago
excellent, thank you.
carpentersdaughter2 2 years ago
@photolitherland you can believe what you want. let the prophecies be fulfilled right in front of your eyes. Globalism,Famine,disease,new( old) age religion, growing natural disasters, mid east wars, humanism, evolutionary theory, rebirth of israel as a nation, homosexuality made popular, extreme Liberalism, abortion, Glorification of sex and violence, Glorification of witchcraft (Disney movies, harry potter), scoffers of the return of Christ, etc. all these and much more are prophetic evidence.
joeprofits 2 years ago
thats good have your atheism.. to each his own. cherish your foolishness. while i follow Christ. follow humanism. while i follow His Spirit. follow your gurus,scientist,and politicians.while i follow the bible. we are trying to warn you but you are so caught up with yourself that you are blind. when disaster brakes in the West like in haiti call on Richard Dawkins to help you!
joeprofits 2 years ago
i am assuming you are ignorant that psychics are stooped in spiritism and the occult.
joeprofits 2 years ago
@joeprofits - SOME commercial psychics ARE playing on peoples' superstitions in order to make money ... but how is that any different from a "Reverend" or "Rabbi", or "Priest" pressuring members of their congregations to pledge a % of their income to the church (tithe) in order to be accepted as a loyal, contributing member, and feel that sense of fellowship and belonging that most people crave?
Most people have had occasional psychic experiences. Telepathy is common. We "know" who's calling
Pantekhnikon 1 year ago
@Pantekhnikon tithing comes from the bible. it is between you and God. its just like praying or worship. it belongs to God. when not abused it is used to pay the bills of the church along with mortgage. it is also used to feed the poor and bring hope into peoples lives. when its not abused.
joeprofits 1 year ago
The majority of scholars date this account at 35 AD
For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep. (1 Cor 15:36) 500 eyewitnesses!
LogosApologia 2 years ago
That's circular reasoning. If the book of the dead said there were 500 eyewitnesses to Horus resurrecting, that wouldn't convince you, would it?
It wouldn't. And that's because this type of reasoning is a logical fallacy.
Just name one secular eyewitness that was alive when Jesus was supposedly doing his ministry.
appleguy77 2 years ago 2