There will always be bullies, and frankly, there is more than one way to deal with bullies. Sometimes it's best to negotiate (NOT using other countries as bargaining chips as happened in Munich, however), and sometimes you have to slam their heads against the sidewalk, for everyone's sake. Peaceful resistance takes too much time, sometimes. Disgusting what happened to Czechoslovakia and its patriots, TG Maseryk, Jan Maseryk, and even Benes...
This is the perfect illustration of how it is that equivocal in the face of violent thuggery only invites more violent thuggery. If this man had simply stood his ground Hilter would have been dead b/f 1940 & about 50 million people who died would have lived into the 50s. Talking about peace or even vaporizing like a teenage girl about peace is not actually pursuing peace. Something some "peace activists" in our day need to learn.
You say that you are an Ethiopian Muslim, but you use White Power and Nazi terminology. White Power types don't like Blacks. So what is that about? The rest of your post is something an angry 10 year old might say.
HerMouth1, why don't you get an education and then get a real job?
When I was at the collegue sometimes I used to parody the Munich agreement saying something like: "here (rising my hand with an exam guide) I have the probe that the final digital communications exam wont be as ruthless as everybody say in this place...)" obviously the final exam was as ruthless as everybody thought :P
@celloswiss ye in my opinion they should allied in 35 with stalin and should have gived stalin free hand to invade germany and occupied central europe
@celloswiss this is the best jokes i ever heard.I give you exemple:soviet communist murders between 1929 - 1936 - 11,400,000 milions people include deaths from deportations, gulags and genocide intentionally caused including 5,000,000(the number is more higher but we put 5 million) famine deaths in the Ukraine ,and western power didn't say nothing nor prostested even if they got reports that people died in ukraine and other soviets place
@celloswiss Actually, Neville Chamberlain was not Prime Minister in 1936, when the Nazis marched into the Rhineland!
And Chamberlain was not fooled by Hitler. After he'd stepped down from the plane, waved his piece of paper and said he'd brought, "Peace in our Time', he turned to his wife and was heard to say to her, "I've been dealing with a complete madman!". Britain was not ready for war in 1938 and he bought more time for the country to re-arm.
@crossleydd42 Chamberlain was an ignorant, a coward, and a fool. He didn't know who he was dealing with. His famous statement about Czechoslovakia being a "country, far away, of which we know nothing" says it all. This wouldn't have happened with Churchill who was educated, literate, and man with a vision.
Buying time to sacrifice Czechoslovakia? Simply disgusting.
@crossleydd42: The notion that Chamberlain somehow bought time or was being pragmatic is insane. He betrayed what would have a good & valuable ally. Not only were the Czechs a vibrantly democratic culture, they had a superb industrial base & a 1st rank arms industry. There actually factories making Meschershmits in Czechoslovakia. Britain could have confronted the Germans w/ their own fleet of Mescherschmits.
The was remarkably astute! There was Hitler's signature on a piece of paper saying there would be no war. With months he was threatening war on Poland and occupying Prague. Who could doubt now that he was a bloody liar? Of course that also meant that there must be war. If you know that your adversary cannot be trusted to live up to his promises, then there is nothing to do but fight him.
The Munich Agreement was signed without the Czechoslovak government had invited or consulted. This weakness of Britain and France against Germany will lead to disaster!
Jesus Christ what a weak kneed sellout. And the crowd cheering as if UK just won the World Cup! It's one thing to breathe a sigh of relief for averting war, but this reaction as if he were some hero????
Pamětí Winstona Chruchila dil I. strana 18 Druhou kardinální tragédií byl úplný rozpad rakousko-uherské monarchie. Toto přežívající vtělení Svaté říše římské umožňovalo po staletí společný život, přinášející výhody obchodu i bezpečnosti, celé řadě národů, z níchž ani jediný neměl ve své době sílu ani vitalitu čelit sám o sobě tlaku znovu oživeného Německa a Ruska.
Memoirs of Winston Chruchila part I page 18 of the second cardinal tragedy was complete disintegration of the Austro-Hungarian monarchy. The surviving incarnation of the Holy Roman Empire for centuries, enabling a life together, bringing the benefits of trade and security, a number of nations, not one of them had in his time, strength or vigor to face the pressure alone again revived Germany and Russia.
The eternal allied mistake, a democratic Germany is not given what a dictatoric Germany gets with a pencil. If Germany is friendly, westernized and civilized it is made to pay for all Europe. Austria and the Sudetes wanted to be german in 1919. If the allied hadn`t been so stupid , they had let them unite and there hadnt been a Hitler, WW2 ànd 40 million dead and today Europe victim of a nonstop immigration..... very very sad
Germany did not start the war. We declared war on them. Why ? Because we had a moral cause to come to the aid of Poland.......and Czech ! We could have stood in splendid isolationism across the channel, but we did not. For 1 year we stood alone before our American friends came to our aid. We sacrificed our Empire to help Europe. Hitler would never have been able to invade hold the UK down. London and the South East maybe, but Yorkshire and Scotland.....methinks not.
@alanpatey Great Britain joined ww2 on september 3rd 1939 - America joined ww2 on December 8th 1941 - first American forces arrived in Great Britain on january 26th 1942 - but people forget about Britain,France,China,Canada,Poland,Australia,New Zealand,South Africa,India,the Netherlands,Czechslovakia,Belgium,Denmark,Norway. people always presume that Soviet Union or America won ww2.just to correct you m8 :)
What? You wouldnt stand at all! Hitlers plans were clear - to invade Britain (operation Seelöwe) to send all adult men to work camps and to kill most of the other people. the UK and Ireland would be parts of German empire as well as Poland and the Czech lands. It was Czechoslovak and Polish pilots who helped to defend Britain flying in the RAF. But more importantly - without USA and first of all USSR, all Europe would be f..d, along with the weak Britain.
The Brits deserved all the bombing and everything, I repeat everything they got from the Germans because of this unbelievable betrayal of their ally, friend and the only democratic country in central Europe - Czechoslovakia
@kingrichyrich88 The entered the war because of the invasion of Poland in September 1939. But one year before, in September 1938 the sold Czechoslovakia to Germany. I repeat what I said: the bombing of London was well deserved, the Brits were guilty of the WW2
@Slivarci Its time to ask your school money back, Adolf Hitler invaded the Rhineland in 1936, the allies of the WW I did nothing. That gave him courage to continue. CZ was sold out to play for time, the UK was ruled by socialists like Chamberlain for years. Churchill had been warning about AH from 1932, he was called a " warmonger " by the UK press. The west didn't want another war, WW I costed millions of soldiers, the phrase " peace in our time " was a reaction/reflection of WW I
Chamberlain recognized his own deficiencies and there is perhaps some truth to the fact that UK may have feared Stalin and his rapid evolution and communist manifesto as a bigger threat to future peace then Hitler
It is possible that he quietly offered up Skoda-works to help arm for a conflict with USSR and the Czech location provided a perfect corridor to the Ukraine..where Hitler could fill up on oil on his way to Moscow..
Munich provided the Czechs with the most undamaged country in Europe
As a Czech I must say that I hope that my country will never cause such pain and humiliation to some other nation that Britain and France caused to my nation with this fucking paper.
@AaRoNwFoRd Time to rearm? Mien Gott! In 1940 in France 60milin GB lost equipment for army smaller then 15mil. Czechoslovakia had in 1938 and than were preparing for german invasion with rake instead of guns...what did they do during that time????
As an American, I'd first like to say that Obama is a F*@king joke no comparison what so ever to the Legendary FDR, now that that's been settled, Camberlain was a noble statesman, it's just that he was in the worst position at the worst time of the 20th century. Had he been in power right after WWI or right after WWII, he too would have been legendary.
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British Hollywood-propaganda & Lies.
The return of 3.5 Million Sudetengermans to Germany was not "appeasement", but it was the Corrrection of a crime against humanity by the DICTATE of Versailles.
The enslavement of 3.5 Million Sudetengermans under Czech tyranny in 1919 was not democratic, but Fascist. Who was guilty of it? Britain, France and the USA.
Can you give us some proofs of so called Czech tyranny??
Germans in Czechoslovakia had same rights as all other citizens. They lived on teritorry of historical Czech kingdom together with Czechs, so you're right it was not appeasement it was occupation... And Czechs from Sudeten were deported from their homes where their families lived thousend yeras.
despite all this its important 2 note it was chamberlain who declared war on the nazis .ppl should study their history books more carefully b4 they pass judgement
Chamberlain was a decent man dealing with a duplicitous, evil regime. I suspect he tried to obtain peace as best he could, but realised the inevitable would come. Remember that the Sudetan Germans were the real traitors in pressing to become part of Germany. Britain could not have stopped Germany from invading Czecho-slovakia any more than Poland in 1939. I suspect that France marching into the Rhineland in 1936 to force the Nazis back out might have been the only chance to slow/stop WWII.
"Chamberlain was a decent man dealing with a duplicitous, evil regime"
But didn"t he promise to support Benes if Hitler would try to take the hole Czechoslovakia? He betrayed Benes and went down in history as a man who has no honour.
Had it not been for the UK staying in the war, against all the odds, until the Americans joined in after Pearl Harbor, Europe would probably still be under the Nazi yoke today!
@crossleydd42 being on an island and having many times stronger navy than germany doesnt seem like heroic winning of the war. No sir war was won on the eastern front.
Reminds you of something? I explained in my channel, why the Muslim leaders push so hard to creat a Palestinian state in Samaria. That is very similar in some ways to handing over Sudetenland to Hitler. Peace will not raise from it, be sure for that. --Please visit my channel
Quitter...this sheet of paper means nothing...peace...yeah...he was afraid of Hitler that´s why he signed the Munich betrayal...same France...Czechoslovakia had a pact with France to protect Czechoslovakia against German attack...and Czechoslovakia had a good armor, soldiers and tanks...we could fight against Hitler together also with Great Britain...but Daladier and Chamberlain signed this sheet of paper and everything was lost...
anyhow there were Luxembourgs, Premysl and few other dynasties before... and always Czech kings... BTW" remember there was no Germany as country till 19th century )
A-H was much younger country than Czech kingdom. Czech countries has much deeper history. That's OK to say Bohemia, Moravia and Silasia were part of A-H empire as regions. Those (also with Lusatia and Kladia) were "Countries of Czech crown" and holder of the crown (Czech King) was the most important title of CE. (CK also become Roman Emperor usualy- so this is why A-H and Habsburgs are so connected with czech for last 400 years,
Well , many problems were constructed by Henlein. Of course Hitler used this people like a way to disarm CSR. Beacuse he already had a powerful army so everyone thought it is worth to sacrifice CSR to save peace for a certain time. In my opinion war started by the Munich agreement or by doing nothing when Hitler enagegd the disarmed zone on the west.
And you are literally right. Freikorps were recruted of Germans, who lived in border areas and who knew the terrain. They were able to attack CSR caserns with some grenades and pistols. And from time to time the were also victims on both sides.
One thing I wonder. If Czechoslovakia was a such a good place where all minorities and ethnic groups lived hapily together then why did the slovaks wanted independence from Czechoslovakia?
Slovak people ever wanted to have their own state, that is what was Pittsburg declaration about, it was expected, that they will look after their own land( I mean people in administrative, teachers....) but there were many Czech who had to do it, because there were no highly educated people in Slovakia. And when they saw an opportunity, they separated and colaborated with Hitler.
Well , CSR army ever used the minimal possible power to bring peace in rebelling regions. Police officers even left some regions in order NOT to use brutal force.
I am from Ostrava ( you may know as Ostrau) and I know from my grandparents all about this peace of land, how polish forces invaded the rest of CSR after Munich "agreement".
I have heard about the death march, but I don´t wonder. Simply exploded the hate against German after 6 years of terror.
Because of the same reason I can understand Benes decrets as a way to prevent anything like this in the future. Germans got exactly they wanted to, they were all in one state. I am willing to admit, there were also replaced czech Germans who did not betray CSR, but there were only few tousands of them and in the after war madness wasn´t time to solve it. I think it is the best like it is today.
You have you Germany I have my Czech republic and we live in peace, we don´t burn our villages and don´t kill each other. I don´t feel any shame or disgrace for anything that we made our neighbours.
Well after establishing CSR Poles sad Ostravica nasza granica-it means Ostravice(river in the CSR) is our border and they ever wanted to have this like a border, because they wanted to have Ostrava (here I also live) because there are coal mines and heavy industry. In fact they wanted to steal this city.
Czechs should follow this example of city of Brünn, and should express regret for crimes against Sudetengermans. Most of all: The Czechs should invite the Sudetengermans to come back home.
It is not "risk" for Czechs. Because most of those who were expelled are dead by now. Only few would come.
It is not "risk" for Czechs. But it would be a good gesture for reconciliation and peace, and it is long overdue. We can only create lasting peace on TRUTH. Not on cover-up.
I say: peace can only be possible on grounds of truth, not on lies.
Germany has apologized for Nazi crimes.
Czechs should apologize to Sudetengermans for forcing them under Czech tyranny in 1919, and for crimes commited to the Germans in the 1920ies and 1930ies.
The former Austrian/German city of Brünn (today Brno) publicly apologized to former German inhabitants for massacres and infamous "Brünn death march". This was great gesture.
But you Czechs and Poles pretend to be "innocent victim". You simply hide your brutal role before Hitler came to power. This is fraudulent way of depicting history - LYING by omission.
Czechs should stop accusing Sudetengermans as "bad Nazis". Czechs should start looking into the mirror, and ask themselves how they caused desaster that lead to WW II.
It was not Sudetengermans who caused desaster in 1919. It was Czech Tanks and Czech invasion.
Well , i am sorry - when you invade with Tanks and kill people with dum-dum missiles (internationally forbidden), just for peaceful free speech, then how can you call this "democracy"? Its Fascism.
Edward Benes, the Czech leader was a Fascist. Benes was president of "Národní Socialistiska Ceska Strana", which means: NATIONAL SOCIALIST CZECH PARTY" .
When you force people under alien rule with brutal military force, this is not "democracy".
I am not saying "czechs are bad people". You have good and people in every country.
But i oppose hollywood-version of history, written by American and British fraud. In Hollywood-history version, you have only "bad germans" (nazis) and "innocent czechs/poles".
For Czechs and Poles, history starts in 1933 only, "bad Hitler, bad Germans, bad Nazis".
To me, history starts a little earlier. In 1919, both Czechs and Poles forced millions of Germans to live under their tyranny.
@Elberiver11 not to disagree with you , on your views , but to see reality, one must see the past from the beginning . only then will we understand the stakes. also it goes back since the age of reason of humanity. location location location :)
Sudetenland was taken by military force in 1919, with Czech tanks killing peaceful unarmed children and women! Czech tanks also killed Jews.( i can even tell you names.)
This was illegal annexation. Versailles treaty had not allowed Czechs to annex Sudetenland.
It was later, after robbery, "legalized" in Dictate of Trianon. (It was dictate, not "treaty".)
Dr. Karl Renner, Austrian minister was forced to sign criminal paper. 3.5 Million Germans subjugated under Alien tyranny.
By the least possible force. Force was used only to bring order in the rebelled regions, that were officialy acknowledged like a CSR and ever belonged to Bohemia Moravia or Czech part of Silesia.
""No one was forced to and people lived in peace until Hitlers rebelions and Freikorps"
This is Czech lie, i am sorry.
In 1919, when Habsburg Empire fell apart, Czechs demanded Freedom. But German bohemians demanded freedom, too. They wanted to remain Austrian Citizens. Sudetengermans were peacefully demonstrating in their villages, saying "we want to remain Austrian".
Czech military invaded, and opened fire to unarmed peaceful demonstrators. Hundreds were killed, also children.
Benes declared in 1919: "Germans will be erased from Bohemia".
(In Czech language, "bohemia" and "czech" is same. In all other European languages, "Czech" is people and language - but "Bohemia" is land , inhabitated by Czechs and Germans, peacefully together for centuries! Bohemia, Bohème, Böhmen, la Bohemia, only in Czech is "Cesky". This is why Czech people thought, they need to rob all the land and kill all Germans. Benes tried in 1919, and in 1945 he succeeded).
Edward Benes was president of "Národní Socialistiska Ceska Strana", in English:
"National-Socialist Czech Party". Czechs today do not like to be remembered, that HItler took the NSDAP-party program directly from Benes's National-socialist party.
Benes also frequently said: "It's better to have Hitler in Vienna, than the Habsburgers". (Quote Prof. Radnitzky, University of Trier 2001)
I am really sure, that Benes did not want to erase Germans out of the worlds surface , like nazis wanted to do with Czechs. It was not a radical party with nothing like SA.
"Pittsburgh agreement ignored germans, poles, ukrainians, hungarians and all the other minorities living in Czechoslovakia."
LOL you call 6 Million Czechs, and 7 Million "minorities" a "MINORITY"?
hahahaha!
Compared to only Slovaks, Hungarians and Germans, teh Czechs were the Minority!
What a silly person you are, to defend this monstrosity of Versailles 1919. Do you loev war??? The oppression of people in the CSR was one of the main reasons for the war.
Well, I see you are not kidding. The Czech state has a long tradition and Germans were invited to colonize border areas.
No minority was ignored especially not German minority, they had their own schools and absolute freedom. Who lived on the Czech land belonged to CSR, it is very natural. No one was forced to and people lived in peace until Hitlers rebelions and Freikorps , that were invading CSR border and making robberies and murders.
Yes, there were no Germans, like there were no Czechs in 1938 in Munich. But they knew, they live on the Czech land, this land has NEVER belonged to Germany or anyone else , all border areas(Sudetenland) ever belonged to Czech lands (Moravia, Bohemia and part of Silesia) .
Good point! Before the WW1 there was no Finland, only Russia! And if I look on the medieval maps of Europe, from the 10th century I always see Czech kingdom in the centre. No matter how I try I cant see anything like "Finland"....
Czechs oppressed the germans? Come on. Poles, hungarians, slovaks and other minorities in Czechoslovakia said the same thing because Adolf Hitler told them to say that.
It was a clever trick used to divide and destroy Czechoslovakia or the Czechs since all other minorities in worked with the germans.
It was LIBERATION for 3,5 Million Germans in the German Sudetenland, you Czech idiots.
Czecho-Slovakia was not even a Nation, but an artificial patchwork of Czechs, Slovaks, Germans, Ukrainians, Hungarians and others.
Czechs and Slovaks are two cmopletely different nations, the Germans were the 2nd largest group , but they were forced with military violence into this ganster-state against their will.
Edward Benes, the criminal leader of the CSR, made life to hell for them.
This is true. Area known as Czechoslovakia used to be part of the Habsburg Empire. Czechoslovakia was created by the winners of WW1 after Austria-Hungary lost WW1.
Pittsburgh agreement ignored germans, poles, ukrainians, hungarians and all the other minorities living in Czechoslovakia.
Treaty of Versailles and Treaty of Saint-Germain-en-Laye were a huge mistake winners of WW1 made.
No, P101794 is right. Czechoslovakian government accepted the earlier "British-French Proposals". But Hitler wanted more and wanted it immediately. By this he had upset both Britain and France and they both replied to him, that his demands are unacceptable for Czechoslovakia and even for them and stated, that "in the recent situation, they cannot advise Czechoslovakia to keep they arms unmobilized". The negotiations in Munich only brought Hitler back to the conditions of the previous Proposals.
But the paper, which N. Chamberlain holds in his hand is not the Munich Accord. It is the German assurance that they will not attack the GB as an act of thanks for supporting Germany in Munich.
yes, it exists, I guess German national archive keep it, not lont time ago it was showed in the Czech national museum on some exibition, for the first time it went across the german borders
somehow i feel bad for him. he did what he thought was best. he may have been a weak man and he may be criticized a lot today, but still his motives were honorable.
Honorable or not, good motives or not, a Prime Minister should not have ignored 15 years of Hitler history and aggressive actions in Europe, and he relied upon 'wishful thinking' and pacifism which never works with dictators. He was abysmally naive about human nature & world politics - inexcusable for a national leader. But, we keep electing them again and again. It's our own 'wishful thinking'.
I'm simply pointing out that at the beginning of the 20th century most European and Asian countries carried the title "imperialist" which they were proud to proclaim. "British Empire", "German Reich", "Imperial Japan", "Ottoman Empire", etc.
Then after losing war after war (started by them BTW) they suddenly point to the US and call them "imperialist" as a pejorative.
Its interesting how the term suddenly takes a negative meaning when it is another country being described, don't you think?
Germany did not want war with Britian and he did not betray them.He did all Hitler did all he could to not get into a war with them.But the Brits had to stand with Poland to start with and included themselves into that war.Was needed by the way but just clearing up that it was no betrayal but only from Britians part not Hitler..America should have let them all fall then go in and take over the world.We should have taken the royal family out by thier ears and beat thier sorry asses and inslave
You are correct the German wolf packs were very effective against many vessels and the Lusitania was just another victim. It's funny how conspiracy theorists would love to bring Churchill down. He was a true leader and a historical legend. As an American, I am proud to say that this man was a hero. Chamberlain was too easy to appease. The lesson of WWII is that appeasement of the vicious only encourages aggression. The Czechs have a reason to be angry with this loser Chamberlain.
ooohh..a lil xboxranger dude with a cute lil liberal ass kickin' attitude..tellin' me what a wonderful choice they saddled America with ushering in this lop eared coon..Monday GM will be bankrupt, your kids now are so deep in debt they will not see the light of day..and some cretin like this is bashing Bush, like the idiot jerk he bows to in the White House does, boo hoo, Bush left me bad, snivel.. cry. Check the record asshole, Bush never once said a word about Bill Clinton, not once!
The problem is that we have another Chamberlain in the white house. How many concessions will he give to Islamic Facists before it become a nuclear war that he could have stopped with a couple of bombing runs....
What we have here in the USA now is Neville Chamberlain after a lobotomy! This imposter bastard is a lunatic muzzie that the liberals have ushed into the White House and are so damn stupid they haven't a clue what they did.
Actually, the Czechs already agreed to give the Sudetenland before the Munich Conference. Munich was about when should the Czechs withdraw because Hitler wanted it earlier than expected.
I am a Czech and I DO KNOW how it really was, I can ask my grandparents. I am also interested in history and I recommend YOU to read REAL FACTS about the "Munich agreement" . We did not want to give up our homeland. At the end circumstances made us give up in order not to go into hopeless battle.
I understand that you, being Czech, would feel betrayed, but it seemed, at the time, to be a good sacrifice to avoid war, which of course did not work. I'm not saying that the Munich Conference was a success, but it was worth a try. However, the Munich Conference DID NOT give away your homeland, but the German Sudetenland; Hitler invaded the rest of Czechoslovakia later.
I can undestand why Czechoslovakia was sacrificed, all just tried to prevent the war and for our "allies" it was worth to try it. But "German Sudetenland" as you wrote , has ever belonged to Czech, Germans were only invited to live there. Theese areas have ever belonged to the Czech kingdom (or republic).
"... Hitler wanted it earlier than expected" I understood this like , that we were prepared to withdraw voluntarily, we never wanted to withdraw, there was no reason for it.
No, that's not what I meant, I know that the Czechs didn't want to give it up, and I agree that they were unfairly not invited to the Munich Conference to give their opinion.
You don't have to "understand" cause it's a an unforgivable betrayal, no one has the right to let his ally down in order to avoid a war, you have to protect him this what an alliance is about! The real fuckin bastard, and no one could say it enough, is Chamberlain who was systematically preventing France from declaring war upon Germany when it was possible to beat them. Did you know he threatened us that he would cut our oil supply from the Middle East? This guy should have been decapitated...
Neville Chamberlain is so misunderstood. He desired peace in Europe, but he was dealing with Hitler, a complete dick. He was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. But I still applaude him for his efforts.
of course he was wrong and naive . i ment he was a good person at heart.. Hitler was a war monger and a killer. He started the reichstag fire and blamed others to rally the war cry and and get the people worked up for war. He blamed poland for agression to work the people up and get them angry to start war.
Sure i do, but he just did what British people wanted in that time... It´s a shame for Britain and France. However, Chamberlain was responsiblle as a leader. Maybe it would be better if Czechs caused the war, at least stupid people from France and Britain would know that there is something like Czech republic.
Well I know there is something like Czech Republic, and I feel ashamed for the Munic betrayal. You should read more about it, you'd see that France wanted to stop Hitler since 1936 and was just waiting for british support that never came. Instead of it UK was threatening us they would cut our oil supply if we acted etc.
Hitler did not believe he had gotten the better of Chamberlain in the Munich Agreement! What could Britain do for Czechoslovakia? Indeed, Cz was a very weak union of diverse peoples, and the Sudeten Germans were pro-Hitler. What Chamberlain succeeded in doing was secure Hitler's promise that he would respect he independence of the Cz rump state, territory Hitler considered part of the living space of the German people. By publicizing Hitler's promise to take no more territory, Cham cornered him!
sadly right after poland and hungary also took part in partition of czechoslovakia.
and about great britain and france - after the war broke out september 1.09, 12.09.39 Daldier and Chamberlain met in Abbeville and decided not to take any actions against germany.
so yeah - the system of alliances really worked
in the next few months the help consisted more in dropping the leaflets from the air.
the II ww war somehow consequence of munich, but munich was proceeded by locarno treaties, etc.
Chamberlain was no weakling and when Hitler betrayed the Munich Agreement in March 1939 by occupying Prague,Chamberlain turned against him completely. Knowing how badly position the UK was for another war, CHAMBERLAIN declared war on Germany when Hitler attacked Poland.Moreover, in May, 1940 when Halifax wanted to cut a deal with Hitler,Chamberlain stood 100% with Churchill in rejecting that course.Chamberlain made errors for peace in 1935-38, but realized what Hitler was and came to his senses.
and still - i think you should link the abbeville conference with the soviet invasion 17th, so the decision of not taking any actions against germany was significant. of course, i don't forget about the ribbentrop-molotow pact and that stalin eventually decided to be allies with hitler, the western diplomacy lost.
i don't question the help that was given in 1940, when france had already been invaded and it was certain that great britain would be the next step.
The Anschluss was allowed to occur without a single protest by the great powers. It was decided to give Hitler the Austrian rump state. The only country against whose interest it was, Italy, decided to pretend as though it were the midwife.
I agree that the Soviet invasion of Poland, NOTE UP TO THE CURZON LINE, had to do with gaining space for defense. However, it was territory Poland had taken from the USSR in 1921.
Stalin sought an alliance with GB and Fr for 5 years and got nothing for it.
I would see it more as the line of spheres of influences in which Germany and USRR divided this part of Europe. Poland had taken it from the USRR after the polish-soviet war, however it was territory gained by Russia after partitions of Poland (1772,93,95), so we can always get further back in the past and it's kind of pointless, especially after WWI with the new map of Europe (for instance Austria-Hungary territory). What's crucial is that it was mainly inhabited by Poles or Polish-speaking.
First of all, how far do we go back with "the Polish State". Some Poles claim Lithuania and the Ukraine, even Belo Russia.
Secondly, the League of Nations formed the Curzon Committee to establish what was the ethnic Russian and Orthodox zone and what was the Polish and Catholic zone. The line they came up with more nearly matches Poland's Eastern Frontier today than that which Pilsudski took in 1921.
disgrace of west european policy of tolerance. i think it is one of the most embarassing moments in the modern history of europe, what's even more sad is that nothing ever changes and we are as tolerant to the countries that don't respect human rights, international law,. there's always some kind of paralysing fear in the picture. i know we're all economically co-dependent with China or Russia and in a long shot cannot isolate but we can and should push, especially now, but we never learn.
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swoshik 1 month ago
There will always be bullies, and frankly, there is more than one way to deal with bullies. Sometimes it's best to negotiate (NOT using other countries as bargaining chips as happened in Munich, however), and sometimes you have to slam their heads against the sidewalk, for everyone's sake. Peaceful resistance takes too much time, sometimes. Disgusting what happened to Czechoslovakia and its patriots, TG Maseryk, Jan Maseryk, and even Benes...
Phaedragon 1 month ago
This is heartbreaking....the French, Italians, Germans, just hung that poor country out to dry....
Phaedragon 1 month ago
This is the perfect illustration of how it is that equivocal in the face of violent thuggery only invites more violent thuggery. If this man had simply stood his ground Hilter would have been dead b/f 1940 & about 50 million people who died would have lived into the 50s. Talking about peace or even vaporizing like a teenage girl about peace is not actually pursuing peace. Something some "peace activists" in our day need to learn.
VictorLepanto 5 months ago 2
@HisMight1
You say that you are an Ethiopian Muslim, but you use White Power and Nazi terminology. White Power types don't like Blacks. So what is that about? The rest of your post is something an angry 10 year old might say.
HerMouth1, why don't you get an education and then get a real job?
nevillechamberlain1 5 months ago
Chamberlain and Daladier were bitches.
honidlo 6 months ago
Neville is a legend
GameTrailersHD1 8 months ago
this started 60 years of darkness for my country.shame.
tcoudi 8 months ago
When I was at the collegue sometimes I used to parody the Munich agreement saying something like: "here (rising my hand with an exam guide) I have the probe that the final digital communications exam wont be as ruthless as everybody say in this place...)" obviously the final exam was as ruthless as everybody thought :P
aldo3g 9 months ago
Chamberlain was a complete fool. The UK and France should have stopped Germany in the early 30s for breaching the Versailles agreement.
celloswiss 10 months ago
@celloswiss ye in my opinion they should allied in 35 with stalin and should have gived stalin free hand to invade germany and occupied central europe
SyberiaDreams 7 months ago
@SyberiaDreams No. The Western Powers and democracies should have stood up to all dictatorships - The German Reich as well as the Soviet Union.
celloswiss 7 months ago
@celloswiss this is the best jokes i ever heard.I give you exemple:soviet communist murders between 1929 - 1936 - 11,400,000 milions people include deaths from deportations, gulags and genocide intentionally caused including 5,000,000(the number is more higher but we put 5 million) famine deaths in the Ukraine ,and western power didn't say nothing nor prostested even if they got reports that people died in ukraine and other soviets place
SyberiaDreams 7 months ago
@celloswiss Actually, Neville Chamberlain was not Prime Minister in 1936, when the Nazis marched into the Rhineland!
And Chamberlain was not fooled by Hitler. After he'd stepped down from the plane, waved his piece of paper and said he'd brought, "Peace in our Time', he turned to his wife and was heard to say to her, "I've been dealing with a complete madman!". Britain was not ready for war in 1938 and he bought more time for the country to re-arm.
crossleydd42 7 months ago
@crossleydd42 Chamberlain was an ignorant, a coward, and a fool. He didn't know who he was dealing with. His famous statement about Czechoslovakia being a "country, far away, of which we know nothing" says it all. This wouldn't have happened with Churchill who was educated, literate, and man with a vision.
Buying time to sacrifice Czechoslovakia? Simply disgusting.
celloswiss 7 months ago
@crossleydd42: The notion that Chamberlain somehow bought time or was being pragmatic is insane. He betrayed what would have a good & valuable ally. Not only were the Czechs a vibrantly democratic culture, they had a superb industrial base & a 1st rank arms industry. There actually factories making Meschershmits in Czechoslovakia. Britain could have confronted the Germans w/ their own fleet of Mescherschmits.
VictorLepanto 5 months ago
The was remarkably astute! There was Hitler's signature on a piece of paper saying there would be no war. With months he was threatening war on Poland and occupying Prague. Who could doubt now that he was a bloody liar? Of course that also meant that there must be war. If you know that your adversary cannot be trusted to live up to his promises, then there is nothing to do but fight him.
mc0558 11 months ago
The Munich Agreement was signed without the Czechoslovak government had invited or consulted. This weakness of Britain and France against Germany will lead to disaster!
67claudius 1 year ago
All I can say about this video is...oops!
danielchance 1 year ago
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Just like Obama...
ovensleeper 1 year ago
Jesus Christ what a weak kneed sellout. And the crowd cheering as if UK just won the World Cup! It's one thing to breathe a sigh of relief for averting war, but this reaction as if he were some hero????
loyaldude10 1 year ago
@loyaldude10 well he was sort of a hero; they all believed that he had averted another Great War in Europe
themajorgeneral88 1 year ago
@warriorprince1010 how does WW2 have anything to do with blacks?
danimus81 1 year ago
Just curious, where is that piece of paper now?
cobrachoppergirl 1 year ago
Pamětí Winstona Chruchila dil I. strana 18 Druhou kardinální tragédií byl úplný rozpad rakousko-uherské monarchie. Toto přežívající vtělení Svaté říše římské umožňovalo po staletí společný život, přinášející výhody obchodu i bezpečnosti, celé řadě národů, z níchž ani jediný neměl ve své době sílu ani vitalitu čelit sám o sobě tlaku znovu oživeného Německa a Ruska.
BraveSoldatSchwejk01 1 year ago
Memoirs of Winston Chruchila part I page 18 of the second cardinal tragedy was complete disintegration of the Austro-Hungarian monarchy. The surviving incarnation of the Holy Roman Empire for centuries, enabling a life together, bringing the benefits of trade and security, a number of nations, not one of them had in his time, strength or vigor to face the pressure alone again revived Germany and Russia.
BraveSoldatSchwejk01 1 year ago
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BraveSoldatSchwejk01 1 year ago
The eternal allied mistake, a democratic Germany is not given what a dictatoric Germany gets with a pencil. If Germany is friendly, westernized and civilized it is made to pay for all Europe. Austria and the Sudetes wanted to be german in 1919. If the allied hadn`t been so stupid , they had let them unite and there hadnt been a Hitler, WW2 ànd 40 million dead and today Europe victim of a nonstop immigration..... very very sad
ursus911 1 year ago
Germany did not start the war. We declared war on them. Why ? Because we had a moral cause to come to the aid of Poland.......and Czech ! We could have stood in splendid isolationism across the channel, but we did not. For 1 year we stood alone before our American friends came to our aid. We sacrificed our Empire to help Europe. Hitler would never have been able to invade hold the UK down. London and the South East maybe, but Yorkshire and Scotland.....methinks not.
alanpatey 1 year ago
@alanpatey Great Britain joined ww2 on september 3rd 1939 - America joined ww2 on December 8th 1941 - first American forces arrived in Great Britain on january 26th 1942 - but people forget about Britain,France,China,Canada,Poland,Australia,New Zealand,South Africa,India,the Netherlands,Czechslovakia,Belgium,Denmark,Norway. people always presume that Soviet Union or America won ww2.just to correct you m8 :)
kingrichyrich88 1 year ago
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Slivarci 1 year ago
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What? You wouldnt stand at all! Hitlers plans were clear - to invade Britain (operation Seelöwe) to send all adult men to work camps and to kill most of the other people. the UK and Ireland would be parts of German empire as well as Poland and the Czech lands. It was Czechoslovak and Polish pilots who helped to defend Britain flying in the RAF. But more importantly - without USA and first of all USSR, all Europe would be f..d, along with the weak Britain.
Slivarci 1 year ago
The Brits deserved all the bombing and everything, I repeat everything they got from the Germans because of this unbelievable betrayal of their ally, friend and the only democratic country in central Europe - Czechoslovakia
Slivarci 1 year ago 8
@Slivarci am you mad? us British helped you in ww2.it was because of the German inventions of Czechoslovakia and Poland thats why britain entered ww2
kingrichyrich88 1 year ago
@kingrichyrich88 The entered the war because of the invasion of Poland in September 1939. But one year before, in September 1938 the sold Czechoslovakia to Germany. I repeat what I said: the bombing of London was well deserved, the Brits were guilty of the WW2
Slivarci 1 year ago
@Slivarci Its time to ask your school money back, Adolf Hitler invaded the Rhineland in 1936, the allies of the WW I did nothing. That gave him courage to continue. CZ was sold out to play for time, the UK was ruled by socialists like Chamberlain for years. Churchill had been warning about AH from 1932, he was called a " warmonger " by the UK press. The west didn't want another war, WW I costed millions of soldiers, the phrase " peace in our time " was a reaction/reflection of WW I
Tralgit 1 year ago
@Slivarci youre a d!ck, civilians deserved bombing because of the terrible politicians? We can say that about everything f*cking country.
EliteMagnifique1 11 months ago
Obama's role model.
monday7741 1 year ago
Chamberlain recognized his own deficiencies and there is perhaps some truth to the fact that UK may have feared Stalin and his rapid evolution and communist manifesto as a bigger threat to future peace then Hitler
It is possible that he quietly offered up Skoda-works to help arm for a conflict with USSR and the Czech location provided a perfect corridor to the Ukraine..where Hitler could fill up on oil on his way to Moscow..
Munich provided the Czechs with the most undamaged country in Europe
zeroceiling 1 year ago
As a Czech I must say that I hope that my country will never cause such pain and humiliation to some other nation that Britain and France caused to my nation with this fucking paper.
svoba4af 1 year ago 2
Now, take this paper and clean your ass, Chamberlain.
magnemist1 1 year ago
Looks like a piece of toilet paper flapping in the wind. He should have just wiped his ass with it.
mccarrpo 1 year ago
@AaRoNwFoRd Time to rearm? Mien Gott! In 1940 in France 60milin GB lost equipment for army smaller then 15mil. Czechoslovakia had in 1938 and than were preparing for german invasion with rake instead of guns...what did they do during that time????
MrLasicak 1 year ago
As an American, I'd first like to say that Obama is a F*@king joke no comparison what so ever to the Legendary FDR, now that that's been settled, Camberlain was a noble statesman, it's just that he was in the worst position at the worst time of the 20th century. Had he been in power right after WWI or right after WWII, he too would have been legendary.
malvertpred 1 year ago
definitely a joke of century.
RIFF0RAFF 1 year ago
Everyone should eat saucisson!! Vive la France!!
budapestactive 2 years ago
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British Hollywood-propaganda & Lies.
The return of 3.5 Million Sudetengermans to Germany was not "appeasement", but it was the Corrrection of a crime against humanity by the DICTATE of Versailles.
The enslavement of 3.5 Million Sudetengermans under Czech tyranny in 1919 was not democratic, but Fascist. Who was guilty of it? Britain, France and the USA.
Elberiver11 2 years ago
@Elberiver11 It´s sad, when someone doesnt see the entire events, just a small part and claiming its the truth.
BenKenobi92 1 year ago
Can you give us some proofs of so called Czech tyranny??
Germans in Czechoslovakia had same rights as all other citizens. They lived on teritorry of historical Czech kingdom together with Czechs, so you're right it was not appeasement it was occupation... And Czechs from Sudeten were deported from their homes where their families lived thousend yeras.
odbornik13 1 year ago
despite all this its important 2 note it was chamberlain who declared war on the nazis .ppl should study their history books more carefully b4 they pass judgement
westnblu 2 years ago
Chamberlain was unfortunately a sisi wussy pussy.
xgalba00 2 years ago
appeasement... ahahaha what a joke
proadam9 2 years ago
You've certainly put forward a convincing intellectual argument to counter my views,
frankophille.
crossleydd42 2 years ago
Well, pmay22, you probably would, for it's quite likely that there would be no more moslems left, under the Nazi yoke!
crossleydd42 2 years ago
@crossleydd42 actualy , the Waffen SS recruited alot of muslims in the end look it up . as a temporary man power solution ;)
danimus81 1 year ago
Obama is so young in this video
hamtzutz 2 years ago 17
cynical, but funny
jaredf921 2 years ago
@hamtzutz
Jingoistic asswipe
jemmytaveras 4 months ago
SWW began in Munich where West has sold its freedom to Hitler
mikevazovsky123 2 years ago
Chamberlain was a decent man dealing with a duplicitous, evil regime. I suspect he tried to obtain peace as best he could, but realised the inevitable would come. Remember that the Sudetan Germans were the real traitors in pressing to become part of Germany. Britain could not have stopped Germany from invading Czecho-slovakia any more than Poland in 1939. I suspect that France marching into the Rhineland in 1936 to force the Nazis back out might have been the only chance to slow/stop WWII.
crossleydd42 2 years ago
"Chamberlain was a decent man dealing with a duplicitous, evil regime"
But didn"t he promise to support Benes if Hitler would try to take the hole Czechoslovakia? He betrayed Benes and went down in history as a man who has no honour.
ss90ss444 2 years ago 2
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Fuck England....
venousekh 2 years ago
Had it not been for the UK staying in the war, against all the odds, until the Americans joined in after Pearl Harbor, Europe would probably still be under the Nazi yoke today!
crossleydd42 2 years ago 2
id rather be under the nazi yoke...than suffering todays moslem invasion..!
pmay222 2 years ago
@crossleydd42 being on an island and having many times stronger navy than germany doesnt seem like heroic winning of the war. No sir war was won on the eastern front.
code13cz 4 months ago
Reminds you of something? I explained in my channel, why the Muslim leaders push so hard to creat a Palestinian state in Samaria. That is very similar in some ways to handing over Sudetenland to Hitler. Peace will not raise from it, be sure for that. --Please visit my channel
JusticeVSpropaganda 2 years ago
Quitter...this sheet of paper means nothing...peace...yeah...he was afraid of Hitler that´s why he signed the Munich betrayal...same France...Czechoslovakia had a pact with France to protect Czechoslovakia against German attack...and Czechoslovakia had a good armor, soldiers and tanks...we could fight against Hitler together also with Great Britain...but Daladier and Chamberlain signed this sheet of paper and everything was lost...
By the way, I´m from Czech republic ;)
TheMamaSoul 2 years ago 22
I don"t deny the fact that Finland got independence because of the Russian Empire collapsed.
So what. We have been free and independent ever since December 1917.
ss90ss444 2 years ago
anyhow there were Luxembourgs, Premysl and few other dynasties before... and always Czech kings... BTW" remember there was no Germany as country till 19th century )
ZipZip1975 2 years ago 2
A-H was much younger country than Czech kingdom. Czech countries has much deeper history. That's OK to say Bohemia, Moravia and Silasia were part of A-H empire as regions. Those (also with Lusatia and Kladia) were "Countries of Czech crown" and holder of the crown (Czech King) was the most important title of CE. (CK also become Roman Emperor usualy- so this is why A-H and Habsburgs are so connected with czech for last 400 years,
ZipZip1975 2 years ago 4
But isn"t it true that Adolf Hitler just used the problems in Czechoslovakia as an excuse to take over the hole Czechoslovakia?
I mean Adolf Hitler used Sudeten germans as pawns. Hitler broke the Munich Agreement.
ss90ss444 2 years ago
Well , many problems were constructed by Henlein. Of course Hitler used this people like a way to disarm CSR. Beacuse he already had a powerful army so everyone thought it is worth to sacrifice CSR to save peace for a certain time. In my opinion war started by the Munich agreement or by doing nothing when Hitler enagegd the disarmed zone on the west.
skodovkar 2 years ago 4
And you are literally right. Freikorps were recruted of Germans, who lived in border areas and who knew the terrain. They were able to attack CSR caserns with some grenades and pistols. And from time to time the were also victims on both sides.
skodovkar 2 years ago
One thing I wonder. If Czechoslovakia was a such a good place where all minorities and ethnic groups lived hapily together then why did the slovaks wanted independence from Czechoslovakia?
Slovak People's Party was very popular.
ss90ss444 2 years ago
Slovak people ever wanted to have their own state, that is what was Pittsburg declaration about, it was expected, that they will look after their own land( I mean people in administrative, teachers....) but there were many Czech who had to do it, because there were no highly educated people in Slovakia. And when they saw an opportunity, they separated and colaborated with Hitler.
skodovkar 2 years ago
Well , CSR army ever used the minimal possible power to bring peace in rebelling regions. Police officers even left some regions in order NOT to use brutal force.
I am from Ostrava ( you may know as Ostrau) and I know from my grandparents all about this peace of land, how polish forces invaded the rest of CSR after Munich "agreement".
I have heard about the death march, but I don´t wonder. Simply exploded the hate against German after 6 years of terror.
skodovkar 2 years ago
Because of the same reason I can understand Benes decrets as a way to prevent anything like this in the future. Germans got exactly they wanted to, they were all in one state. I am willing to admit, there were also replaced czech Germans who did not betray CSR, but there were only few tousands of them and in the after war madness wasn´t time to solve it. I think it is the best like it is today.
skodovkar 2 years ago
You have you Germany I have my Czech republic and we live in peace, we don´t burn our villages and don´t kill each other. I don´t feel any shame or disgrace for anything that we made our neighbours.
skodovkar 2 years ago
"how polish forces invaded the rest of CSR after Munich "agreement"."
Poles claimed that polish minority was being oppressed by the czechs at Zaolzie.
Are you saying that was a lie?
ss90ss444 2 years ago
Well after establishing CSR Poles sad Ostravica nasza granica-it means Ostravice(river in the CSR) is our border and they ever wanted to have this like a border, because they wanted to have Ostrava (here I also live) because there are coal mines and heavy industry. In fact they wanted to steal this city.
skodovkar 2 years ago
The Tragedy of Sudetengermans, which started in 1919, is an untold story and hidden dirty secret of history.
Elberiver11 2 years ago
Czechs should follow this example of city of Brünn, and should express regret for crimes against Sudetengermans. Most of all: The Czechs should invite the Sudetengermans to come back home.
It is not "risk" for Czechs. Because most of those who were expelled are dead by now. Only few would come.
It is not "risk" for Czechs. But it would be a good gesture for reconciliation and peace, and it is long overdue. We can only create lasting peace on TRUTH. Not on cover-up.
Elberiver11 2 years ago
Czechs expect reconciliation with Germans.
I say: peace can only be possible on grounds of truth, not on lies.
Germany has apologized for Nazi crimes.
Czechs should apologize to Sudetengermans for forcing them under Czech tyranny in 1919, and for crimes commited to the Germans in the 1920ies and 1930ies.
The former Austrian/German city of Brünn (today Brno) publicly apologized to former German inhabitants for massacres and infamous "Brünn death march". This was great gesture.
Elberiver11 2 years ago
I am not saying "Czechs are bad people".
But you Czechs and Poles pretend to be "innocent victim". You simply hide your brutal role before Hitler came to power. This is fraudulent way of depicting history - LYING by omission.
Czechs should stop accusing Sudetengermans as "bad Nazis". Czechs should start looking into the mirror, and ask themselves how they caused desaster that lead to WW II.
It was not Sudetengermans who caused desaster in 1919. It was Czech Tanks and Czech invasion.
Elberiver11 2 years ago
Czechs claim, "it was democracy".
Well , i am sorry - when you invade with Tanks and kill people with dum-dum missiles (internationally forbidden), just for peaceful free speech, then how can you call this "democracy"? Its Fascism.
Edward Benes, the Czech leader was a Fascist. Benes was president of "Národní Socialistiska Ceska Strana", which means: NATIONAL SOCIALIST CZECH PARTY" .
When you force people under alien rule with brutal military force, this is not "democracy".
Elberiver11 2 years ago
I am not saying "czechs are bad people". You have good and people in every country.
But i oppose hollywood-version of history, written by American and British fraud. In Hollywood-history version, you have only "bad germans" (nazis) and "innocent czechs/poles".
For Czechs and Poles, history starts in 1933 only, "bad Hitler, bad Germans, bad Nazis".
To me, history starts a little earlier. In 1919, both Czechs and Poles forced millions of Germans to live under their tyranny.
Elberiver11 2 years ago
@Elberiver11 not to disagree with you , on your views , but to see reality, one must see the past from the beginning . only then will we understand the stakes. also it goes back since the age of reason of humanity. location location location :)
danimus81 1 year ago
Sudetenland was taken by military force in 1919, with Czech tanks killing peaceful unarmed children and women! Czech tanks also killed Jews.( i can even tell you names.)
This was illegal annexation. Versailles treaty had not allowed Czechs to annex Sudetenland.
It was later, after robbery, "legalized" in Dictate of Trianon. (It was dictate, not "treaty".)
Dr. Karl Renner, Austrian minister was forced to sign criminal paper. 3.5 Million Germans subjugated under Alien tyranny.
Elberiver11 2 years ago
"Sudetenland was taken by military force in 1919"
I believe you are correct since Archibald Coolidge confirmed that. German prostestors were peaceful but the czech police was not.
This all was confirmed by Archibald Coolidge whom Woodrow Wilson sent as an ambassador to Czechoslovakia.
ss90ss444 2 years ago
By the least possible force. Force was used only to bring order in the rebelled regions, that were officialy acknowledged like a CSR and ever belonged to Bohemia Moravia or Czech part of Silesia.
skodovkar 2 years ago
""No one was forced to and people lived in peace until Hitlers rebelions and Freikorps"
This is Czech lie, i am sorry.
In 1919, when Habsburg Empire fell apart, Czechs demanded Freedom. But German bohemians demanded freedom, too. They wanted to remain Austrian Citizens. Sudetengermans were peacefully demonstrating in their villages, saying "we want to remain Austrian".
Czech military invaded, and opened fire to unarmed peaceful demonstrators. Hundreds were killed, also children.
Elberiver11 2 years ago
"They wanted to remain Austrian Citizens. Sudetengermans were peacefully demonstrating in their villages, saying "we want to remain Austrian"."
So that was the mistake winners of WW1 made.
ss90ss444 2 years ago
No, of course i am not kidding. This is serious topic.
Elberiver11 2 years ago
Benes declared in 1919: "Germans will be erased from Bohemia".
(In Czech language, "bohemia" and "czech" is same. In all other European languages, "Czech" is people and language - but "Bohemia" is land , inhabitated by Czechs and Germans, peacefully together for centuries! Bohemia, Bohème, Böhmen, la Bohemia, only in Czech is "Cesky". This is why Czech people thought, they need to rob all the land and kill all Germans. Benes tried in 1919, and in 1945 he succeeded).
Elberiver11 2 years ago
Edward Benes was president of "Národní Socialistiska Ceska Strana", in English:
"National-Socialist Czech Party". Czechs today do not like to be remembered, that HItler took the NSDAP-party program directly from Benes's National-socialist party.
Benes also frequently said: "It's better to have Hitler in Vienna, than the Habsburgers". (Quote Prof. Radnitzky, University of Trier 2001)
Elberiver11 2 years ago
I am really sure, that Benes did not want to erase Germans out of the worlds surface , like nazis wanted to do with Czechs. It was not a radical party with nothing like SA.
skodovkar 2 years ago
and you are sure that Earth is flat, too?
lol
Elberiver11 2 years ago
Read "Benes the liquidator", by Czech Autor Sidonia Dedina.
Elberiver11 2 years ago
"Pittsburgh agreement ignored germans, poles, ukrainians, hungarians and all the other minorities living in Czechoslovakia."
LOL you call 6 Million Czechs, and 7 Million "minorities" a "MINORITY"?
hahahaha!
Compared to only Slovaks, Hungarians and Germans, teh Czechs were the Minority!
What a silly person you are, to defend this monstrosity of Versailles 1919. Do you loev war??? The oppression of people in the CSR was one of the main reasons for the war.
Elberiver11 2 years ago
Well, I see you are not kidding. The Czech state has a long tradition and Germans were invited to colonize border areas.
No minority was ignored especially not German minority, they had their own schools and absolute freedom. Who lived on the Czech land belonged to CSR, it is very natural. No one was forced to and people lived in peace until Hitlers rebelions and Freikorps , that were invading CSR border and making robberies and murders.
skodovkar 2 years ago
"No minority was ignored especially not German minority"
But did the Sudeten germans want to be part of Czechoslovakia? There were no germans there when the Pittsburgh agreement was signed.
ss90ss444 2 years ago
Yes, there were no Germans, like there were no Czechs in 1938 in Munich. But they knew, they live on the Czech land, this land has NEVER belonged to Germany or anyone else , all border areas(Sudetenland) ever belonged to Czech lands (Moravia, Bohemia and part of Silesia) .
skodovkar 2 years ago
"Who lived on the Czech land belonged to CSR, it is very natural."
Before WW1 the so called Czech land was part of Austria-Hungary.
ss90ss444 2 years ago
That is true, but historicly Bohemia , Moravia and Silesia existed and in A-H were as regions.
skodovkar 2 years ago
Good point! Before the WW1 there was no Finland, only Russia! And if I look on the medieval maps of Europe, from the 10th century I always see Czech kingdom in the centre. No matter how I try I cant see anything like "Finland"....
MvDrak 2 years ago
"Before the WW1 there was no Finland"
Just like there was no Czechoslovakia. Area known as Czechoslovakia was part of Austria-Hungary.
But who cares. Empires fell and new countries were born from the ruins of the old empires including Czechoslovakia.
ss90ss444 2 years ago
Than came Runciman and saw a well prepaired theatre in order to be persuade, that G. and CZ can not live together in on state.
skodovkar 2 years ago
Let us remember that Czechoslovakia was allies with France and the Soviet Union.
Bot countries were enemies of Germany. France with the Treaty of Versailles and the Soviet Union with the policy Maxim Litvinov was doing.
Becauseof strategic reasons Germany had no choice but to neutralize and disarm Czechoslovakia.
ss90ss444 2 years ago
Czechs oppressed the germans? Come on. Poles, hungarians, slovaks and other minorities in Czechoslovakia said the same thing because Adolf Hitler told them to say that.
It was a clever trick used to divide and destroy Czechoslovakia or the Czechs since all other minorities in worked with the germans.
ss90ss444 2 years ago
Why does he remind me of Obama?
Robertjcksn40 2 years ago
If you Czechs had not stolen and oppressed those 3.5 Million Germans, there woulod have been no war!
You massacred 300 000 Sudetengermans, you Czech Sadists! In your Sudetengerman HOLOCAUST, you Czech criminals, and don't you forget!
Elberiver11 2 years ago
Betrayal? LOL
It was LIBERATION for 3,5 Million Germans in the German Sudetenland, you Czech idiots.
Czecho-Slovakia was not even a Nation, but an artificial patchwork of Czechs, Slovaks, Germans, Ukrainians, Hungarians and others.
Czechs and Slovaks are two cmopletely different nations, the Germans were the 2nd largest group , but they were forced with military violence into this ganster-state against their will.
Edward Benes, the criminal leader of the CSR, made life to hell for them.
Elberiver11 2 years ago
"Czecho-Slovakia was not even a Nation"
This is true. Area known as Czechoslovakia used to be part of the Habsburg Empire. Czechoslovakia was created by the winners of WW1 after Austria-Hungary lost WW1.
Pittsburgh agreement ignored germans, poles, ukrainians, hungarians and all the other minorities living in Czechoslovakia.
Treaty of Versailles and Treaty of Saint-Germain-en-Laye were a huge mistake winners of WW1 made.
ss90ss444 2 years ago
"Edward Benes, the criminal leader of the CSR, made life to hell for them."
Benes oppressed germans? Oh so just because nazi Konrad Henlein said it then it must be true?
Of course a man like Konrad Henlein could never lie now could he?
ss90ss444 2 years ago
No, P101794 is right. Czechoslovakian government accepted the earlier "British-French Proposals". But Hitler wanted more and wanted it immediately. By this he had upset both Britain and France and they both replied to him, that his demands are unacceptable for Czechoslovakia and even for them and stated, that "in the recent situation, they cannot advise Czechoslovakia to keep they arms unmobilized". The negotiations in Munich only brought Hitler back to the conditions of the previous Proposals.
Nuk1eus 2 years ago
But the paper, which N. Chamberlain holds in his hand is not the Munich Accord. It is the German assurance that they will not attack the GB as an act of thanks for supporting Germany in Munich.
Nuk1eus 2 years ago
yes, it exists, I guess German national archive keep it, not lont time ago it was showed in the Czech national museum on some exibition, for the first time it went across the german borders
berkut2 2 years ago
somehow i feel bad for him. he did what he thought was best. he may have been a weak man and he may be criticized a lot today, but still his motives were honorable.
DanielSahne 2 years ago
Honorable or not, good motives or not, a Prime Minister should not have ignored 15 years of Hitler history and aggressive actions in Europe, and he relied upon 'wishful thinking' and pacifism which never works with dictators. He was abysmally naive about human nature & world politics - inexcusable for a national leader. But, we keep electing them again and again. It's our own 'wishful thinking'.
Ikesweesy 2 years ago 2
The road to Hell is tiled with good intentions.
Nuk1eus 2 years ago 2
hum he sounds like obama,we need churchhill..
ally4free1 2 years ago
I'm simply pointing out that at the beginning of the 20th century most European and Asian countries carried the title "imperialist" which they were proud to proclaim. "British Empire", "German Reich", "Imperial Japan", "Ottoman Empire", etc.
Then after losing war after war (started by them BTW) they suddenly point to the US and call them "imperialist" as a pejorative.
Its interesting how the term suddenly takes a negative meaning when it is another country being described, don't you think?
wrecklass 2 years ago
losing war after war.The British? you should check the history books!
jamesmcgovern15 2 years ago
That was my comment /\ forgot was on friends youtube page at time.
ItsJoeyhere 2 years ago
Germany did not want war with Britian and he did not betray them.He did all Hitler did all he could to not get into a war with them.But the Brits had to stand with Poland to start with and included themselves into that war.Was needed by the way but just clearing up that it was no betrayal but only from Britians part not Hitler..America should have let them all fall then go in and take over the world.We should have taken the royal family out by thier ears and beat thier sorry asses and inslave
UFODemons 2 years ago
America should have let them all fall then go in and take over the world.................... that's exactly what it did do
jamesmcgovern15 2 years ago
traitor!!!
desertrat2 2 years ago
You are correct the German wolf packs were very effective against many vessels and the Lusitania was just another victim. It's funny how conspiracy theorists would love to bring Churchill down. He was a true leader and a historical legend. As an American, I am proud to say that this man was a hero. Chamberlain was too easy to appease. The lesson of WWII is that appeasement of the vicious only encourages aggression. The Czechs have a reason to be angry with this loser Chamberlain.
pieceomeat 2 years ago
ooohh..a lil xboxranger dude with a cute lil liberal ass kickin' attitude..tellin' me what a wonderful choice they saddled America with ushering in this lop eared coon..Monday GM will be bankrupt, your kids now are so deep in debt they will not see the light of day..and some cretin like this is bashing Bush, like the idiot jerk he bows to in the White House does, boo hoo, Bush left me bad, snivel.. cry. Check the record asshole, Bush never once said a word about Bill Clinton, not once!
rickinnev 2 years ago
The problem is that we have another Chamberlain in the white house. How many concessions will he give to Islamic Facists before it become a nuclear war that he could have stopped with a couple of bombing runs....
mozellagi 2 years ago
What we have here in the USA now is Neville Chamberlain after a lobotomy! This imposter bastard is a lunatic muzzie that the liberals have ushed into the White House and are so damn stupid they haven't a clue what they did.
rickinnev 2 years ago 2
"Actually, the Czechs already agreed to give the Sudetenland before the Munich Conference"
lol, they did not.
Munich agreement - one nazi, one fascist, and two back-stabbers
Ackreti 2 years ago 4
There are many theories as 2 what did happen with the Lusitanian sinking & the most likely one is that it was sunk by the german U-boats however,
wen looking deeply in2 it, historians have discovered there was more than 1explosion.
It's said Churchill had ordered many munitions to be loaded onto the ship. Word got round this meant they could bomb it.
This snidy plan was a sneaky way of ensuring Britain did not lose the great war, by bringing into it The U.S.A
MiNiP3Z07 2 years ago
England and Gayrmany friends forever !
slavvko81gay 2 years ago
Serbia, Romancia and Bulgaria were economic and military pygmies compared to the UK and France. What are you talking about?
Pommit 2 years ago
Actually, the Czechs already agreed to give the Sudetenland before the Munich Conference. Munich was about when should the Czechs withdraw because Hitler wanted it earlier than expected.
You should read up on it next time.
P101794 2 years ago
Dear P101794
I am a Czech and I DO KNOW how it really was, I can ask my grandparents. I am also interested in history and I recommend YOU to read REAL FACTS about the "Munich agreement" . We did not want to give up our homeland. At the end circumstances made us give up in order not to go into hopeless battle.
Got it?
skodovkar 2 years ago
Dear skodovkar
I understand that you, being Czech, would feel betrayed, but it seemed, at the time, to be a good sacrifice to avoid war, which of course did not work. I'm not saying that the Munich Conference was a success, but it was worth a try. However, the Munich Conference DID NOT give away your homeland, but the German Sudetenland; Hitler invaded the rest of Czechoslovakia later.
P101794 2 years ago
I can undestand why Czechoslovakia was sacrificed, all just tried to prevent the war and for our "allies" it was worth to try it. But "German Sudetenland" as you wrote , has ever belonged to Czech, Germans were only invited to live there. Theese areas have ever belonged to the Czech kingdom (or republic).
"... Hitler wanted it earlier than expected" I understood this like , that we were prepared to withdraw voluntarily, we never wanted to withdraw, there was no reason for it.
skodovkar 2 years ago
No, that's not what I meant, I know that the Czechs didn't want to give it up, and I agree that they were unfairly not invited to the Munich Conference to give their opinion.
P101794 2 years ago
Oh than, maybe misunderstanding from my side. Sorry for it.
skodovkar 2 years ago
You don't have to "understand" cause it's a an unforgivable betrayal, no one has the right to let his ally down in order to avoid a war, you have to protect him this what an alliance is about! The real fuckin bastard, and no one could say it enough, is Chamberlain who was systematically preventing France from declaring war upon Germany when it was possible to beat them. Did you know he threatened us that he would cut our oil supply from the Middle East? This guy should have been decapitated...
DocWeasel76 2 years ago 2
Dictators don't respect weakness or peace.
breakinthebend 2 years ago 4
Neville Chamberlain is so misunderstood. He desired peace in Europe, but he was dealing with Hitler, a complete dick. He was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. But I still applaude him for his efforts.
P101794 2 years ago
you are applauding a guy who totally failed because of his stupid idealism and weakness?
DocWeasel76 2 years ago 3
of course he was wrong and naive . i ment he was a good person at heart.. Hitler was a war monger and a killer. He started the reichstag fire and blamed others to rally the war cry and and get the people worked up for war. He blamed poland for agression to work the people up and get them angry to start war.
canadamonster 3 years ago 3
if every country had him as the leader the world would be a perfect place
canadamonster 3 years ago
moron... if every country had him as the leader, there would no Slavs, gipsies or blacks...
svoba4af 3 years ago
you mean chamberlan?
canadamonster 3 years ago
Sure i do, but he just did what British people wanted in that time... It´s a shame for Britain and France. However, Chamberlain was responsiblle as a leader. Maybe it would be better if Czechs caused the war, at least stupid people from France and Britain would know that there is something like Czech republic.
svoba4af 3 years ago
i agree. chamberlain was a nice guy , wrong and naive but a nice guy. he did not start the war hitler did.
canadamonster 3 years ago
A nice guy? He sold out the Czechs without remorse.
somethingboring 3 years ago 2
yes he was very very very wrong. he was nieve and weak. He was a nice guy but thats all sorry
canadamonster 3 years ago
Well, he might've been a nice guy, but only to his own people, he basically condemned the Czechs to occupation.
somethingboring 3 years ago 3
Nice wussy guys are the worst. Women hate wussies like Chamberlame
xgalba00 3 years ago
Well I know there is something like Czech Republic, and I feel ashamed for the Munic betrayal. You should read more about it, you'd see that France wanted to stop Hitler since 1936 and was just waiting for british support that never came. Instead of it UK was threatening us they would cut our oil supply if we acted etc.
DocWeasel76 2 years ago
Hitler did not believe he had gotten the better of Chamberlain in the Munich Agreement! What could Britain do for Czechoslovakia? Indeed, Cz was a very weak union of diverse peoples, and the Sudeten Germans were pro-Hitler. What Chamberlain succeeded in doing was secure Hitler's promise that he would respect he independence of the Cz rump state, territory Hitler considered part of the living space of the German people. By publicizing Hitler's promise to take no more territory, Cham cornered him!
mc0558 3 years ago
sadly right after poland and hungary also took part in partition of czechoslovakia.
and about great britain and france - after the war broke out september 1.09, 12.09.39 Daldier and Chamberlain met in Abbeville and decided not to take any actions against germany.
so yeah - the system of alliances really worked
in the next few months the help consisted more in dropping the leaflets from the air.
the II ww war somehow consequence of munich, but munich was proceeded by locarno treaties, etc.
powszedni 3 years ago 2
Chamberlain was no weakling and when Hitler betrayed the Munich Agreement in March 1939 by occupying Prague,Chamberlain turned against him completely. Knowing how badly position the UK was for another war, CHAMBERLAIN declared war on Germany when Hitler attacked Poland.Moreover, in May, 1940 when Halifax wanted to cut a deal with Hitler,Chamberlain stood 100% with Churchill in rejecting that course.Chamberlain made errors for peace in 1935-38, but realized what Hitler was and came to his senses.
mc0558 3 years ago
what about Anschluss?
and still - i think you should link the abbeville conference with the soviet invasion 17th, so the decision of not taking any actions against germany was significant. of course, i don't forget about the ribbentrop-molotow pact and that stalin eventually decided to be allies with hitler, the western diplomacy lost.
i don't question the help that was given in 1940, when france had already been invaded and it was certain that great britain would be the next step.
powszedni 3 years ago
The Anschluss was allowed to occur without a single protest by the great powers. It was decided to give Hitler the Austrian rump state. The only country against whose interest it was, Italy, decided to pretend as though it were the midwife.
I agree that the Soviet invasion of Poland, NOTE UP TO THE CURZON LINE, had to do with gaining space for defense. However, it was territory Poland had taken from the USSR in 1921.
Stalin sought an alliance with GB and Fr for 5 years and got nothing for it.
mc0558 3 years ago
I would see it more as the line of spheres of influences in which Germany and USRR divided this part of Europe. Poland had taken it from the USRR after the polish-soviet war, however it was territory gained by Russia after partitions of Poland (1772,93,95), so we can always get further back in the past and it's kind of pointless, especially after WWI with the new map of Europe (for instance Austria-Hungary territory). What's crucial is that it was mainly inhabited by Poles or Polish-speaking.
powszedni 3 years ago 2
First of all, how far do we go back with "the Polish State". Some Poles claim Lithuania and the Ukraine, even Belo Russia.
Secondly, the League of Nations formed the Curzon Committee to establish what was the ethnic Russian and Orthodox zone and what was the Polish and Catholic zone. The line they came up with more nearly matches Poland's Eastern Frontier today than that which Pilsudski took in 1921.
mc0558 3 years ago
disgrace of west european policy of tolerance. i think it is one of the most embarassing moments in the modern history of europe, what's even more sad is that nothing ever changes and we are as tolerant to the countries that don't respect human rights, international law,. there's always some kind of paralysing fear in the picture. i know we're all economically co-dependent with China or Russia and in a long shot cannot isolate but we can and should push, especially now, but we never learn.
powszedni 3 years ago
what pisses me off is how churchill is regarded a war hero, really? wht happened to poland after the war was no act of a war hero.
ronnoten 3 years ago