two or three gathered in HIS NAME is a church, let us not be fooled by the evil one, please stop legalism. I cannot go to church because my local church is 948 kms South of Danang, and I am in a resort, working 6x a week and the hotel gave us Monday as our day off. I only have my NIV and KJV bible, YM, phone my churchmates, some internet support such as these, and the Holy Spirit guiding me. I used to browse filthy things in the internet but I lose interest and talking His name to my co-workers
In my opinion Religion = crap, people cant have faith for they're ownselves so they study something thats been handed down for thousands of years, brainwashing people which they're is nothing wrong with that.
Is it really a lie that we should go to church? or is it just not the full truth? Just because I can't see the fact that we should go to church a lie even after watching the video.
IDK people will twist this and say they don't need to go to church (not a building perse, but a gathering with other believers). As a new christian, it has been VITAL to meet with other believers and worship, hear, study the word. I'm even engaged in a corporate fast and it's been amazing. I believe I am the church but in the way that I am only one part of the entire body, that's in the scripture also.
I don't "go to church" anymore, I am the church. That beast on Sunday is man made, man run, unbelievers fire insurance love fest. Remember, in the end times MANY will be deceived
I agree, and because so many are mislead into believing "they need to go to church", they are missing the whole point of what they are called to be. Therefore, many of them are still bound to works based faith and not a life of freedom. Whether Believers meet together at a home, building, or underground tunnel, they are the Church who are in Christ. No one should ever be taught that they must attend a particular "church" or denomination in order to be saved. This is false teaching. Good work.
lol...you're so clear about these things yet I'm seeing so many so called Christians with some pretty bad A.D.D. - put down the MSG pay ATTENTION to his exact words people
This is something I have been coming to the realization recently. A lot of people put emphasis on "going to church" every Sunday out of habit, out of tradition. Then they get upset, disappointed, etc. when people don't go to church (to a church building to worship with church members for 1-2 hours a week). Is it really all that beneficial? Then those people are talked about in a negative way. I just don't get that. Why does missing 'church'make you a bad person? I totally agree with your video.
I personally would've made this clear by emphasizing church in the title in some manner e.g. (quotations, parentheses), etc. and discussing those points from my previous comment. i hope my input is found useful. :) great vid. very informative and truthful
I think what this Steve McVey is trying to say is that although he agrees with the fact that fellowship with the body is pivotal, people need to break there misguided concept of the definition of "church". "Church" (as most believe) is not a BUILDING you visit every sunday to participate in ceremonies. CHURCH is a body comprised of people who follow christ and worship his name. We should not go to "church". We should go and be a part of the CHURCH.
If that organization tells so many lies, why do you attend? I stopped attending that lie machine and follow Him without the fraud of the professional clergy.
We are the Ekklessia, not the church, church is derived from circe which is a greco/roman pagan goddess who was the daughter of the sun god helios. The Word says Ekklessia which means "called out ones", a translation would be Assembly or Congregation. The word "Church" is a lie.
@jmcclellan54321 It's a syriac deity who the people of Asia Minor worshipped and it spread to Egypt, then Turkey, then Greece and Rome. NO "gods" ever came from Greece or Rome, they come from Khemet (Egypt), Tyre-Tsidon-Haran (Lebanon), and Babylon (Iraq-East Syria-W.Iran). The Hatti introduced the Heliades and they blended with pre-existant Khemeti deities. The Hittites refined these. Check out the Hebrew word, which was translated into Ekklesia. It's deep. Shalom
"The Most High does not live in houses made by men. 'Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool. What kind of house will you build for me? says the Lord. Or where will my resting place be? Has not my hand made all these things?' "
We can't build a Church, we can't go to Church, we ARE the Church. We don't go to worship in God's House, we ARE God's house.
@zest4livin TRUE! However, as Paul warns in 2 Thes. 2 the TEMPLE is polluted with a false Messiah figure, DELIBERATELY placed there by Yahweh for the damning of those "in the church", or of that "temple", for they loved a way of unrighteousness. He terms it STRONG DELUSION. It is Yahweh doing it. Therefore, we should not expect someone to realize they have this false Messiah figure in themselves ... & likely, we should not fight Yahweh by attempting to reveal to that person their death trap.
"They devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and to the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer...Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts."
Huh? I agree with that verse. I haven't said we don't fellowship with other Christians. The point, again, is that we don't GO to church. We ARE the church. When you meet on Sunday, that is the church gathered together.
@SteveMcVey steve, thankyou for wonderful teaching. the legalists will NEVER hear the truth because it reduces their power and legalism is all about power.
@SteveMcVey To be fair, when preachers say that "you should go to church", they are referring to the gathering of believers in a LOCAL church o a certain day, which has a biblical basis. It DOESN'T IMPLY that the body of Christ (the members) is NOT the church. It is widely taught in many churches that the church is composed of the whole body of Christians.
I think what this Steve McVey is trying to say is that although he agrees with the fact that fellowship with the body is pivotal, people need to break there misguided concept of the definition of "church". "Church" (as most believe) is not a BUILDING you visit every sunday to participate in ceremonies. CHURCH is a body comprised of people who follow christ and worship his name. We should not go to "church". We should go and be a part of the CHURCH.
@woggleboggle Don't forget the early Church were eventually kicked out of the temple and had to hide in den & caves and on the run from Nero and Christian killers read Hebrews 11:38. There may come a day like in China that the Church may be over run by the government one day soon, where you are told what you can say and not say.
@woggleboggle One day the Church may be so heavily controlled by the ungodly politicians that large portions of the bible may be censored or outlawed. Then we will discover who the real Church is . If anyone thinks it is a physical bldg. you are already in trouble (spiritually speaking)
Respond to this video... I don't think it is too far fetched to see a day when Christian Church bldgs become llegal and Christians are forced to secretly meet in groups of two or three in secret and in houses.
@woggleboggle There are many various people who meet in bldgs called churches that are not bible believers. I could name places of worship that are cults that label themselves Christian but do not believe Jesus God or teach the Cross is the only way of Salvation or that we are Saved by Grace through faith so it is true going to church is wrong if you are in the wrong church or a Cult Religion.
@woggleboggle You missed the part where great persecution fell on the Jews who were followers of Jesus and they were kicked out of the temples and scattered to other regions then they met in houses secretly.
Acts 8:1 And Saul was there, giving approval to his death.On that day a great persecution broke out against the church at Jerusalem, and all except the apostles were scattered throughout Judea and Samaria.
In a collective sense, we are the church right now, that is true. But, this is an abstract thought until Christians actually gather in one place and worship the Lord as one body.
If you think grace excludes the idea of
'we should,' then you have changed grace into indifference. Grace is what ENABLES us to do good works. 2 Cor. 9:8
"And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work."
Grace doesn't "exclude," but exchanges "we should" for "we want to." Of course we do good works-that's what grace teaches us. Titus 2:11-12 Legalistic "shoulds" have the opposite effect-Rom.7:5 As to church, I've been to China many times, where it is illegal to meet (except in the state run church) together. Consequently, the scattered church connects 1-2 at a time. That is no less "the" church than what happens under a steeple here. In fact, I suspect it's more biblical than most "churches."
'Should' is not legalistic. 'HAVE TO' is legalistic. Titus 2:11-12 proves my point, it says "Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we SHOULD live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world." Continue reading Rom. 7, especially 19-20. The good you say we 'want to do'(which we do) we can't do, which is why we depend on God's grace. So, we SHOULD go to church, because the Holy Spirit leads us there, and we SHOULD do good works, not the legalistic HAVE to.
Meeting in a building is not required. Many have made it a crime not to attend a church building, or be a part of a institutionalized church's organization. The fellowship of believers is the church meeting NO MATTER WHERE IT IS LOCATED. The bible in Matthew 18:20 says that for where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
We should want to fellowship with believers, it does not mean we are required to go to a church building every Sunday. Think about it.
I never said a word about gathering 'in a building,' or any specific place. You seemed to have missed the point of my comments. I do not believe that any building is holy or 'the church.' If we didn't all gather in one place, how then could the church be edified? and what is the point of spiritual gifts? See 1 Cor. 14:23.
I never said you did. :) I was just making that distinction for those who may see the post. I have not had the chance to read your comments so I cannot comment on those.
This is bad. 'YOU are the church' ??? No one believer is the church. Where TWO OR THREE gather in [His] name, He is with them (Mat 18:20). And again, "And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: NOT FORSAKING THE ASSEMBLING OF OURSELVES TOGETHER, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another." (Hebrews 10:24-25)
It's true that the church is not a building, but it is a gross lie that Christians should not gather together.
I never cease to be amazed by how easily people can sometimes totally miss the point when it seems so clear to others. Of course, one person is not the church. Of course, it is important to be with other believers. I never said that Christians should not gather together. I didn't even hint at that idea. The whole point here is that the church consists of the PEOPLE not a ceremony, program or building that exists under a steeple. The fact is that YOU are a living stone (says Peter) in the church
@SteveMcVey at 1:44 you said..."the idea that you should go to church is a lie"
The only lier here is YOU sir. Real Christians know that they are the Church. But where does it say that.."the idea that we should go to Church is a lie"???
Early Christians attended Church, having fellowship togetther.
1 COR 16:1,2 Paul orders the corinthian Church to put money in the collection. Just as he has told the galation Church to do also! The idea that we should go to Church is not a lie!
@SteveMcVey in LUKE 22:19 Jesus said .. "This is my body which is given for you; DO THIS IN REMEBERANCE OF ME"
Quite clearly the Lord is telling us to ""DO"" something. And to do it in remberance of HIM!
Obviously when we have fellowship with one another in Church!
If the idea of going to Church is a lie then there would be no need for bishops and deacons. But PHIL 1:1 totaly blows your heretical theory out of the water because there were bishops and deacons in the early Churches!
I think you misunderstand one simple thing, then fly off the handle.
He's saying the exact same thing you are, that Christians are the Church. We can't go to Church. We can't assemble in Church. We are the Church. We (the Church) can only assemble in (or out of) a building built by our own hands. But the building is not the Church.
The Church is an assembly of believers. Putting the building (something we built), on a pedestal and calling it a Church is wrong.
@blueskunk12 "The Church is an assembly of believers. Putting the building (something we built), on a pedestal and calling it a Church is wrong."
it's not WRONG, the way people use it to dictate they are believers or part of the church (the body of christ) is wrong. If people don't read their bibles, listen to their preachers and end up with that conclusion, that's on them.
If you want to put a building on a pedestal, something that is built by man and will be torn down, then that is your problem. If you choose to willingly violate the 2nd and 3rd of the 10 Commandments, no one can stop you.
But I hope you know that violating God's word is not pleasing to God.
And sadly, many people listen to their preachers, but don't read the word of God. They assume their preacher has already done that for them.
@blueskunk12 violate the commandments? God forbid I be bound by law when I'm walking by His Spirit, God revealed that to me and I'm finally free from guilt and confusion. End of the day, you're not God, if I'm disobeying..I pray everyday for him to search my heart and show me what in my life is wrong. Don't worry, I'll be fine, my eternal father is watching out for me. I wish I could delete my comment because I hate discussing matters of God on youtube, it almost never brings glory to God.
If you want to put a building on a pedestal, something that is built by man and will be torn down, then that is your problem. If you choose to willingly violate the 2nd Commandment, no one can stop you.
But I hope you know that violating God's word is not pleasing to God.
And sadly, many people listen to their preachers, but don't read the word of God. They assume their preacher has already done that for them.
@delitemyheart You are an idiot. It's men who have put the words overseers and table waiters as if they were some CEO title. No these men are servants, real servants not those pigs who expect us to follow, pay and serve them.
@SteveMcVey i agree you really can't get your point across to people who are controled by the churches and are closed minded, i am amazed at what comments i see and between christians at that sooo much condemantion,i have been a believer for 30 yrs and realize that we are to be formed by God, i have been filled with condemantion for almost all of the years as a believer ,It is time for me to feel that God loves me and excepts me in this i am made whole, i have been a slave and now a son.
@SteveMcVey Pew Research on Religion did a survey where the results were that Christians failed in the most basic Bible knowledge. The majority of Christians have never read their bibles verse by verse from Genesis to Revelation. I did and found tons of errors in most hand me down sermons.
Some Church leaders want control so they teach a works based relationship with God and make it all about tithing and the law as if they don't know God's Grace or the words Paid n full.
@SteveMcVey In my opinion most Christians also fail to understand the Who, What and Where. They fail to understand Who God was speaking to in the Old Testament under the Old Covenant.Ex: God was not talking to one Gentile in that verse in Malachi 3:9. Jews were even forbidden to mix with Gentiles or marry them under the Old Covenant. They fail to know Jesus was talking to Jews in Matthew 23:23 not Gentiles. We got in under Grace, not Law after Jesus died on the cross.
@NotFlaking Correction: Gentiles came in under Grace through faith in Jesus. It is not a works based covenant like the 613 laws the Jews had to keep under the Old Covenant and Leviticus laws.
Type the below words into your internet search to see the list all the Old Covenant laws but most church leaders are stuck on one (tithing) when there is actually 613 and to break one law makes you just as guilty as if you broke them all James 2:10 ---- A List of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments)---
@SteveMcVey yes steve, i dont understand why religious mind is quick to criticise, let the truth be told even if it threatens years of mans traditions
@exodusx599 The bible describes the church as a body with many members. We are even called the body of Christ. One has to be careful of the latter day end time Churches that will be Apostate when there is the great falling away into heresy and false prophets.
Mark 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and miracles to deceive the elect--if that were possible. 1st Corinthians 12:14 For also the body is not one member, but many.
@exodusx599 You said no believer is the Church? We are called the body of Christ.
To cite another example when people are anti-Government they act as Government is not people. In the US we vote for elected representatives. We're not under a 1 ruler King but its a democracy . People forget the word's for the people & by the people. But churches just like governments are steeped in man-made traditions & man made rules and laws not necessarily God or the original intent.
You, my friend, have hit that nail right on the head! Praise God! On Sundays that I don't go to church I usually watch a couple of T.V. sermons (David Jeremiah, Charles Stanley, Ed Young, etc.) and spend a couple of hours "in the Word". We ARE the Church and the Holy Spirit dwells within us. Isn't God Great?!
two or three gathered in HIS NAME is a church, let us not be fooled by the evil one, please stop legalism. I cannot go to church because my local church is 948 kms South of Danang, and I am in a resort, working 6x a week and the hotel gave us Monday as our day off. I only have my NIV and KJV bible, YM, phone my churchmates, some internet support such as these, and the Holy Spirit guiding me. I used to browse filthy things in the internet but I lose interest and talking His name to my co-workers
pinalo2009 2 months ago
In my opinion Religion = crap, people cant have faith for they're ownselves so they study something thats been handed down for thousands of years, brainwashing people which they're is nothing wrong with that.
IM A DEIST
6ThanatoS6 7 months ago
Is it really a lie that we should go to church? or is it just not the full truth? Just because I can't see the fact that we should go to church a lie even after watching the video.
ryanmse30 7 months ago
IDK people will twist this and say they don't need to go to church (not a building perse, but a gathering with other believers). As a new christian, it has been VITAL to meet with other believers and worship, hear, study the word. I'm even engaged in a corporate fast and it's been amazing. I believe I am the church but in the way that I am only one part of the entire body, that's in the scripture also.
stop08it 1 year ago
I don't "go to church" anymore, I am the church. That beast on Sunday is man made, man run, unbelievers fire insurance love fest. Remember, in the end times MANY will be deceived
Pfsif 1 year ago
I don't "go to church" anymore, I am the church. That beast on Sunday is man made, man run, unbelievers fire insurance love fest.
Pfsif 1 year ago
I agree, and because so many are mislead into believing "they need to go to church", they are missing the whole point of what they are called to be. Therefore, many of them are still bound to works based faith and not a life of freedom. Whether Believers meet together at a home, building, or underground tunnel, they are the Church who are in Christ. No one should ever be taught that they must attend a particular "church" or denomination in order to be saved. This is false teaching. Good work.
pschmitt727 1 year ago 2
That is correct sir , I congratulate you for your effort on putting this video and opening the minds of the weak.
saxplayerale 1 year ago
lol...you're so clear about these things yet I'm seeing so many so called Christians with some pretty bad A.D.D. - put down the MSG pay ATTENTION to his exact words people
DJTonyAllen 1 year ago
This is something I have been coming to the realization recently. A lot of people put emphasis on "going to church" every Sunday out of habit, out of tradition. Then they get upset, disappointed, etc. when people don't go to church (to a church building to worship with church members for 1-2 hours a week). Is it really all that beneficial? Then those people are talked about in a negative way. I just don't get that. Why does missing 'church'make you a bad person? I totally agree with your video.
IAmANaturalBeauty 1 year ago
Video title very misleading
Apocalips320 1 year ago
@Apocalips320 I think it was just meant to grab attention. But Mr. McVey starts right off explaining that he's not against "going to church".
cartwheeled 1 year ago
i enjoy your insights steve..keep up the good work we appreciate those whose seek and speak the truth
arkee71 1 year ago
I personally would've made this clear by emphasizing church in the title in some manner e.g. (quotations, parentheses), etc. and discussing those points from my previous comment. i hope my input is found useful. :) great vid. very informative and truthful
geegem7 1 year ago
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I think what this Steve McVey is trying to say is that although he agrees with the fact that fellowship with the body is pivotal, people need to break there misguided concept of the definition of "church". "Church" (as most believe) is not a BUILDING you visit every sunday to participate in ceremonies. CHURCH is a body comprised of people who follow christ and worship his name. We should not go to "church". We should go and be a part of the CHURCH.
geegem7 1 year ago
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geegem7 1 year ago
If that organization tells so many lies, why do you attend? I stopped attending that lie machine and follow Him without the fraud of the professional clergy.
Pfsif 1 year ago
amen ....
bookorbible 1 year ago
I left the fraud system called the "church" and have been renewed in my faith and Christ is my head again not pastor!
Pfsif 1 year ago
We are the Ekklessia, not the church, church is derived from circe which is a greco/roman pagan goddess who was the daughter of the sun god helios. The Word says Ekklessia which means "called out ones", a translation would be Assembly or Congregation. The word "Church" is a lie.
jmcclellan54321 2 years ago 6
@jmcclellan54321 It's a syriac deity who the people of Asia Minor worshipped and it spread to Egypt, then Turkey, then Greece and Rome. NO "gods" ever came from Greece or Rome, they come from Khemet (Egypt), Tyre-Tsidon-Haran (Lebanon), and Babylon (Iraq-East Syria-W.Iran). The Hatti introduced the Heliades and they blended with pre-existant Khemeti deities. The Hittites refined these. Check out the Hebrew word, which was translated into Ekklesia. It's deep. Shalom
KeyboardPacifist 1 year ago
If you are a Christian, then you are the church. You can't get out of church no matter where you go. Your body is the temple.
It is great to get together with others to worship, pray, fellowship. But it isn't a have to.
zest4livin 2 years ago 11
@zest4livin
And the house of God is not a building.
Acts 7:48-50
"The Most High does not live in houses made by men. 'Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool. What kind of house will you build for me? says the Lord. Or where will my resting place be? Has not my hand made all these things?' "
We can't build a Church, we can't go to Church, we ARE the Church. We don't go to worship in God's House, we ARE God's house.
blueskunk12 1 year ago
@zest4livin TRUE! However, as Paul warns in 2 Thes. 2 the TEMPLE is polluted with a false Messiah figure, DELIBERATELY placed there by Yahweh for the damning of those "in the church", or of that "temple", for they loved a way of unrighteousness. He terms it STRONG DELUSION. It is Yahweh doing it. Therefore, we should not expect someone to realize they have this false Messiah figure in themselves ... & likely, we should not fight Yahweh by attempting to reveal to that person their death trap.
EliyahsMessageTime 5 months ago
Good Message! Hope people got this!
Chicago10281 3 years ago
Acts 2:42, 46 NIV
"They devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and to the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer...Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts."
woggleboggle 3 years ago
Huh? I agree with that verse. I haven't said we don't fellowship with other Christians. The point, again, is that we don't GO to church. We ARE the church. When you meet on Sunday, that is the church gathered together.
SteveMcVey 3 years ago 6
@SteveMcVey steve, thankyou for wonderful teaching. the legalists will NEVER hear the truth because it reduces their power and legalism is all about power.
otter5555 8 months ago
@SteveMcVey To be fair, when preachers say that "you should go to church", they are referring to the gathering of believers in a LOCAL church o a certain day, which has a biblical basis. It DOESN'T IMPLY that the body of Christ (the members) is NOT the church. It is widely taught in many churches that the church is composed of the whole body of Christians.
ffrancis08 7 months ago
I think what this Steve McVey is trying to say is that although he agrees with the fact that fellowship with the body is pivotal, people need to break there misguided concept of the definition of "church". "Church" (as most believe) is not a BUILDING you visit every sunday to participate in ceremonies. CHURCH is a body comprised of people who follow christ and worship his name. We should not go to "church". We should go and be a part of the CHURCH.
geegem7 1 year ago
@woggleboggle Don't forget the early Church were eventually kicked out of the temple and had to hide in den & caves and on the run from Nero and Christian killers read Hebrews 11:38. There may come a day like in China that the Church may be over run by the government one day soon, where you are told what you can say and not say.
NotFlaking 8 months ago
@woggleboggle One day the Church may be so heavily controlled by the ungodly politicians that large portions of the bible may be censored or outlawed. Then we will discover who the real Church is . If anyone thinks it is a physical bldg. you are already in trouble (spiritually speaking)
NotFlaking 8 months ago
Respond to this video... I don't think it is too far fetched to see a day when Christian Church bldgs become llegal and Christians are forced to secretly meet in groups of two or three in secret and in houses.
NotFlaking 8 months ago
@woggleboggle There are many various people who meet in bldgs called churches that are not bible believers. I could name places of worship that are cults that label themselves Christian but do not believe Jesus God or teach the Cross is the only way of Salvation or that we are Saved by Grace through faith so it is true going to church is wrong if you are in the wrong church or a Cult Religion.
NotFlaking 1 month ago
@woggleboggle You missed the part where great persecution fell on the Jews who were followers of Jesus and they were kicked out of the temples and scattered to other regions then they met in houses secretly.
Acts 8:1 And Saul was there, giving approval to his death.On that day a great persecution broke out against the church at Jerusalem, and all except the apostles were scattered throughout Judea and Samaria.
NotFlaking 1 month ago
In a collective sense, we are the church right now, that is true. But, this is an abstract thought until Christians actually gather in one place and worship the Lord as one body.
If you think grace excludes the idea of
'we should,' then you have changed grace into indifference. Grace is what ENABLES us to do good works. 2 Cor. 9:8
"And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work."
exodusx599 3 years ago
Grace doesn't "exclude," but exchanges "we should" for "we want to." Of course we do good works-that's what grace teaches us. Titus 2:11-12 Legalistic "shoulds" have the opposite effect-Rom.7:5 As to church, I've been to China many times, where it is illegal to meet (except in the state run church) together. Consequently, the scattered church connects 1-2 at a time. That is no less "the" church than what happens under a steeple here. In fact, I suspect it's more biblical than most "churches."
SteveMcVey 3 years ago
'Should' is not legalistic. 'HAVE TO' is legalistic. Titus 2:11-12 proves my point, it says "Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we SHOULD live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world." Continue reading Rom. 7, especially 19-20. The good you say we 'want to do'(which we do) we can't do, which is why we depend on God's grace. So, we SHOULD go to church, because the Holy Spirit leads us there, and we SHOULD do good works, not the legalistic HAVE to.
exodusx599 3 years ago
Meeting in a building is not required. Many have made it a crime not to attend a church building, or be a part of a institutionalized church's organization. The fellowship of believers is the church meeting NO MATTER WHERE IT IS LOCATED. The bible in Matthew 18:20 says that for where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
We should want to fellowship with believers, it does not mean we are required to go to a church building every Sunday. Think about it.
simone56 2 years ago
I never said a word about gathering 'in a building,' or any specific place. You seemed to have missed the point of my comments. I do not believe that any building is holy or 'the church.' If we didn't all gather in one place, how then could the church be edified? and what is the point of spiritual gifts? See 1 Cor. 14:23.
exodusx599 2 years ago
I never said you did. :) I was just making that distinction for those who may see the post. I have not had the chance to read your comments so I cannot comment on those.
simone56 2 years ago
This is bad. 'YOU are the church' ??? No one believer is the church. Where TWO OR THREE gather in [His] name, He is with them (Mat 18:20). And again, "And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: NOT FORSAKING THE ASSEMBLING OF OURSELVES TOGETHER, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another." (Hebrews 10:24-25)
It's true that the church is not a building, but it is a gross lie that Christians should not gather together.
John 13:34.
exodusx599 3 years ago
I never cease to be amazed by how easily people can sometimes totally miss the point when it seems so clear to others. Of course, one person is not the church. Of course, it is important to be with other believers. I never said that Christians should not gather together. I didn't even hint at that idea. The whole point here is that the church consists of the PEOPLE not a ceremony, program or building that exists under a steeple. The fact is that YOU are a living stone (says Peter) in the church
SteveMcVey 3 years ago 4
@SteveMcVey at 1:44 you said..."the idea that you should go to church is a lie"
The only lier here is YOU sir. Real Christians know that they are the Church. But where does it say that.."the idea that we should go to Church is a lie"???
Early Christians attended Church, having fellowship togetther.
1 COR 16:1,2 Paul orders the corinthian Church to put money in the collection. Just as he has told the galation Church to do also! The idea that we should go to Church is not a lie!
I hope you repent
delitemyheart 1 year ago
@SteveMcVey in LUKE 22:19 Jesus said .. "This is my body which is given for you; DO THIS IN REMEBERANCE OF ME"
Quite clearly the Lord is telling us to ""DO"" something. And to do it in remberance of HIM!
Obviously when we have fellowship with one another in Church!
If the idea of going to Church is a lie then there would be no need for bishops and deacons. But PHIL 1:1 totaly blows your heretical theory out of the water because there were bishops and deacons in the early Churches!
"L"I"A"R
delitemyheart 1 year ago
@delitemyheart
I think you misunderstand one simple thing, then fly off the handle.
He's saying the exact same thing you are, that Christians are the Church. We can't go to Church. We can't assemble in Church. We are the Church. We (the Church) can only assemble in (or out of) a building built by our own hands. But the building is not the Church.
The Church is an assembly of believers. Putting the building (something we built), on a pedestal and calling it a Church is wrong.
blueskunk12 1 year ago
@blueskunk12 "The Church is an assembly of believers. Putting the building (something we built), on a pedestal and calling it a Church is wrong."
it's not WRONG, the way people use it to dictate they are believers or part of the church (the body of christ) is wrong. If people don't read their bibles, listen to their preachers and end up with that conclusion, that's on them.
stop08it 1 year ago
@stop08it
If you want to put a building on a pedestal, something that is built by man and will be torn down, then that is your problem. If you choose to willingly violate the 2nd and 3rd of the 10 Commandments, no one can stop you.
But I hope you know that violating God's word is not pleasing to God.
And sadly, many people listen to their preachers, but don't read the word of God. They assume their preacher has already done that for them.
I urge you to read the Bible more.
blueskunk12 1 year ago
@blueskunk12 violate the commandments? God forbid I be bound by law when I'm walking by His Spirit, God revealed that to me and I'm finally free from guilt and confusion. End of the day, you're not God, if I'm disobeying..I pray everyday for him to search my heart and show me what in my life is wrong. Don't worry, I'll be fine, my eternal father is watching out for me. I wish I could delete my comment because I hate discussing matters of God on youtube, it almost never brings glory to God.
stop08it 1 year ago
@stop08it
Giving glory to a building, a creation of Man, instead of the LORD God is never right.
Titus 3:11
"Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that, have nothing to do with him."
Goodbye. I'm done talking with you.
blueskunk12 1 year ago
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@stop08it
If you want to put a building on a pedestal, something that is built by man and will be torn down, then that is your problem. If you choose to willingly violate the 2nd Commandment, no one can stop you.
But I hope you know that violating God's word is not pleasing to God.
And sadly, many people listen to their preachers, but don't read the word of God. They assume their preacher has already done that for them.
I urge you to read the Bible more.
blueskunk12 1 year ago
@delitemyheart You are an idiot. It's men who have put the words overseers and table waiters as if they were some CEO title. No these men are servants, real servants not those pigs who expect us to follow, pay and serve them.
Pfsif 1 year ago
@SteveMcVey PSALM 5:5 says.."The boastful shall not stand in your sight; YOU HATE ALL WORKERS OF INIQUITY"
And thats all you are Sir..a boastful WORKER OF INIQUITY trying to teach others that attending Christs Church is a Lie!
Thats a satanic lie by you, trying to deceive others! And i hope you Repent of your sin and remove this video from y tube!
delitemyheart 1 year ago
@SteveMcVey i agree you really can't get your point across to people who are controled by the churches and are closed minded, i am amazed at what comments i see and between christians at that sooo much condemantion,i have been a believer for 30 yrs and realize that we are to be formed by God, i have been filled with condemantion for almost all of the years as a believer ,It is time for me to feel that God loves me and excepts me in this i am made whole, i have been a slave and now a son.
59Disciple 1 month ago
@SteveMcVey Pew Research on Religion did a survey where the results were that Christians failed in the most basic Bible knowledge. The majority of Christians have never read their bibles verse by verse from Genesis to Revelation. I did and found tons of errors in most hand me down sermons.
Some Church leaders want control so they teach a works based relationship with God and make it all about tithing and the law as if they don't know God's Grace or the words Paid n full.
NotFlaking 1 month ago
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@SteveMcVey In my opinion most Christians also fail to understand the Who, What and Where. They fail to understand Who God was speaking to in the Old Testament under the Old Covenant.Ex: God was not talking to one Gentile in that verse in Malachi 3:9. Jews were even forbidden to mix with Gentiles or marry them under the Old Covenant. They fail to know Jesus was talking to Jews in Matthew 23:23 not Gentiles. We got in under Grace, not Law after Jesus died on the cross.
NotFlaking 1 month ago
@NotFlaking Correction: Gentiles came in under Grace through faith in Jesus. It is not a works based covenant like the 613 laws the Jews had to keep under the Old Covenant and Leviticus laws.
NotFlaking 1 month ago
Type the below words into your internet search to see the list all the Old Covenant laws but most church leaders are stuck on one (tithing) when there is actually 613 and to break one law makes you just as guilty as if you broke them all James 2:10 ---- A List of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments)---
NotFlaking 1 month ago
@SteveMcVey yes steve, i dont understand why religious mind is quick to criticise, let the truth be told even if it threatens years of mans traditions
kevogits1 1 week ago
@exodusx599 The bible describes the church as a body with many members. We are even called the body of Christ. One has to be careful of the latter day end time Churches that will be Apostate when there is the great falling away into heresy and false prophets.
Mark 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and miracles to deceive the elect--if that were possible. 1st Corinthians 12:14 For also the body is not one member, but many.
NotFlaking 1 month ago
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@exodusx599 You said no believer is the Church? We are called the body of Christ.
To cite another example when people are anti-Government they act as Government is not people. In the US we vote for elected representatives. We're not under a 1 ruler King but its a democracy . People forget the word's for the people & by the people. But churches just like governments are steeped in man-made traditions & man made rules and laws not necessarily God or the original intent.
NotFlaking 1 month ago
HALLELUJAH!!! WOOHOO!!!
tulstem 3 years ago
You, my friend, have hit that nail right on the head! Praise God! On Sundays that I don't go to church I usually watch a couple of T.V. sermons (David Jeremiah, Charles Stanley, Ed Young, etc.) and spend a couple of hours "in the Word". We ARE the Church and the Holy Spirit dwells within us. Isn't God Great?!
randy95023 3 years ago
Amen
Unknnnnn 3 years ago
Praise God for you. Amen.
Evrastus 3 years ago