@SuperBagshot Buckley didn't "resort to violence," and Vidal lost the argument by resorting to acting childish; telling him to shut up and calling him names. Notice he stopped that when the threat of eating Buckley's fist manifested. He wasn't so cocky then.
If this was a boxing match then Vidal was the first one to start hitting below the belt,to use that term.He was being very rude and im not surprised Buckley got mad.Why not say Could you allow me to finish or please stop interrupting me?Telling another person to shut up in any situation only leads to trouble and bad feeling.Its only a pity that Buckley didnt follow throught on his threat.
Even at his angriest moments, Buckley's words roll off his tongue like delicately-crafted poetry! "I may be ready to clobber you in the face, Vidal, but by God I'm going to be one SUAVE motherfucker while I'm doing it!" *turns nose upward*
gore vidal was a stupid communist ass hole. he was so arrogant and such a know it all, and racist, he said communism is a wonderful idea, if it had been adopted here instead of in russia it would have succeeded. but they in their "slavic stupidity" took it and ruined it. no good cock .
Obviously entertaining. But at least these two political adversaries faced off in a public forum. Not like todays smear tactics that are aided and abetted by a liberal media. And this was 43 yrs. ago! Why does it feel like we have LESS freedom today? Because political corrctness is helping to erode American society.
@zep2zap So true. I long to see intellectuals from both sides of the political divide duke it out like these fellows. Not likely sadly in our soundbite age.
things, but it's also the victors who write and rewrite the history books and control most to all of the content in entertainment and the media. The true villains take their names out of it and lay the blame at another's feet.
Black Africans hunted down, captured, transported and sold their fellows. But long before this "whites" were being kidnapped from Western Europe, Ireland, Scotland, the British peasantry, etc., were the first slaves of the colonies and back then there were so called "Neg
You've been sold a bill of goods and now, along with many "whites", in America and in Europe have had their own oppression and slavery erased from the history books. Deal with your own programming first, you're still thinking in generalities and horribly false ones at that.
Newsflash: It's MONEY/WEALTH/GAIN that's been at the heart of most things as we consider "racism" because a ruling class must use their majority as a smokescreen, among other
@bluevalentine9 To compare Bill O'Reilly to William F Buckley is totally wrong. William F Buckley was never a sell-out or a liar. He stood for what he believed in, and he eloquently set out those beliefs - none of which I've ever seen Bill do. Bill uses cheap tactics, shouting, editing, controlling who comes on. William was a man of his time.
Vidal had been spreading lies and smears about Buckley and his family for years. Putting them together was a deliberate provocation on the part of ABC News.
ah, when there was actual debate on TV news by actual intellectuals...kids these days would be horrified and offended at the uncensored style of those days.
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@neosoc Buckley served in WWII as an American soldier and Vidal was calling him a Nazi because he did not agree with Vidal's viewpoint. Naturally, Buckley reacted with anger and stood up for himself. It is what men do. Stand up for themselves and their principles when threatened or disparaged. Vidal was the bigot for resorting to base name calling instead of civil discourse.
@free2contemplate Any man who's stated goal is to "stand athwart history yelling 'stop'!" is, and will always be, nothing but a reactionary (especially one who supported segregation while it was fashionable among conservatives), and deserves nothing but contempt and condescension from his fellow man. Furthermore, if there is any sign that someone has no place in a debate, it is rebutting his criticisms by threatening to hit his critic.
@neosoc Any person who thinks his country is moving in the wrong direction and stands up yelling, "stop" is merely exercising his political rights to freedom of speech. Odd that you think this is a damnable sin. As for supporting segregation, the Democratic party in the South was the group most in favor of that.
@free2contemplate "stand athwart history yelling 'stop'!" sounds like opposition to human progress to me. Also, Dixiecrats supporting segregation doesn't excuse Buckley from doing so as well. Vidal was right: Hell has probably been much livelier since Buclkey kicked the bucket.
@neosoc History is not the same as progress. When the Roman Empire fell, civilization fell into darkness and it was many hundreds of years until it clawed back to the level the Romans had achieved. Buckley was not for segregation; he was against the federal government's means of ending it. That is a huge difference. To put it in modern terms: people protesting the Iraqi war were not supporters of Saddam's brutal regime that tortured and slaughtered people, but against the means for ending it.
@free2contemplate “The central question that emerges... is whether the White community in the South is entitled to take such measures as are necessary to prevail, politically and culturally, in areas in which it does not predominate numerically? The sobering answer is Yes—the White community is so entitled because, for the time being, it is the advanced race.”
Sounds like an endorsement of segregation if I ever heard one. Rebut that, sunshine.
@neosoc According to Wikipedia he said strenuously disagreed with George Wallace and admitted he made a mistake in opposing the civil rights legislation and grew to admire Martin Luther King Jr. And he worked very hard to remove anti-Semitism. Doesn't sound like a bigot. Sounds like someone who made a statement in his earlier years, he grew to regret and even worked to rectify.
@free2contemplate You could say that. A more cynical person (e.g. me) would suggest that Buckley only sought to distance himself from the more out-and-out bigots (e.g. the John Birch Society) for fear of being associated with them and thus being consigned to the cesspool that is the American right-wing fringe.
@neosoc You can say that if you choose. I think it is better to judge people by their actions and not to imagine I know what it is in their heart. Buckley's actions were not those of a bigot. And I strongly disagree with the statement that the American right is a "cesspool." Why do you feel the need to end every statement with a vicious name calling? Do you think that makes your argument sound more logical or convincing?
@free2contemplate 1. I believe I specifically referred to the "fringe" right wing.
2. Because, yes, the American right-wing IS, in fact, a cesspool. In fact, American politics in general is a cesspool. As Buckley put it, there is only one party, "the Business Party," which puts profits over people and the general good. A few honest politicians can do precisely NOTHING about that.
@free2contemplate Also, the Roman Empire fell because it had become corrupt and decadent... much like ours has. Time doesn't care about how much you love your country or culture; when it's time for it to go, it's time for it to go.
@free2contemplate By the way, Vidal's labeling of Buckley as a "crypto-nazi" was a response to Buckley's baseless accusation that the Anti-Vietnam War protesters included "pro-Nazi" elements.
@neosoc Not that is not accurate, according to the Wikipedia. Buckley was speaking about the right to ostracize people for holding views you consider repugnant. He gave the example of people in the US who were pro-Nazi during WWII and how they were ostracized when Vidal, without provocation, called Buckley a "crypto-Nazi."
@free2contemplate I was led to believe, also according to Wikipedia somehow, that they were discussing freedom of speech as regards to protesters waving the Viet Cong flag.
@neosoc Yes. But Buckley never called them Nazis. And he did not say they could not wave that flag. He said he was free to ostracize them for waving that flag.
@free2contemplate In this debate, that was his entire point. They were talking about weather or not William Buckley had the right to forcefully take down a vietcong flag. Buckley was in favor of it.
@415Dub Buckley was absolutely correct. To wave the Vietcong flag was to support America's enemies who were killing American soldiers at that time. If during WWII somebody had walked down the street waving a Nazi flag, you can bet that it most likely would have been forcibly removed from him by other outraged Americans. To wave the flag of the enemy army that is killing your nation's soldiers crosses the line from freedom of speech to treason.
@free2contemplate if you disagree with a war your country is fighting it dosent make it treasonous. in my opinion the most patitic americans during vietnam were those who protested the war.
@goodday306 Buckley did not say protesting the war was treasonous, he said waving the flag of the enemy was treasonous because that shows you support the enemy and want them to win. You can be patriotic and protest the war, but you cannot be patriotic if you support the enemy that wants to kill your country's soldiers.
William F. Buckley, was severely deluded, imbued with prig and sprig grandiloquence, which compounded the echo-chamber impact of his dithering verbosity; notable are his a) nearly arch eye movements, b) flamboyant torso posturing, c) haughty ruse of an accent, akin in its inane superciliousness to that voiced by miss-informed Grace Kelly; both clearly unwitting fashion victims of an era touting WASP arriviste glare, d) while Grace had beauty and charm, e) Alcohol-Bill proved bore & closet-case
@ayguey Sure, anyone who doesn't approve of homosexuality is a fascist homophobe. How long have you been afflicted with the mental dosorder that is modern liberalism?
A little irony here is that Buckley had an entirely pleasant interview with Fascist leader Sir Oswald Mosley. Lucky for America it was never broadcast.
LMAO, He meant to call Buckley a crypto-fascist, which is what he was, but he flubbed it and called him a Nazi. Fuckley was the first to use nazi a reference and then like a typical fascist feigned outrage when compared to one himself. Then he proves Vidal right with his homophobic slur, typical of fascists, which he later regretted; but still continued his fascist homophobia later on. Still funny, though... Vidal IS gay and Fuckley WAS a crypto-fascist
@753hill I wish more of Bill O'Reilly's guests on FOX would tell him to "shut up a minute" — why invite a guest on your show and then talk over his points and what he's trying to say? It always makes the host seem like a jack ass — granted, it's probably a lot harder these days the way the shoot and cut the video...
I'm responding to what you said, which was "Punching someone in the face for calling you a Nazi is not warranted?" I stand by what I said--it is not warranted. As far as Buckley, no, threats are not the height of class. Perhaps addressing what Vidal was saying would have been classier, or telling him that resorting to insults was petty. But instead he was pettier, and had to resort to a threat.
@davebex13 I watched his debate with Noam Chomsky and felt very frustrated for Chomsky's sake. Buckley was either being deliberatly dishonest or just plain ignorant.
@ZarahLean *Sigh* To think of all the years these men spent hating on each other. It sounds like a tragicomedy. But I'm almost certain that Buckley would have made a similar comment if Vidal died first. I believe that Vidal misses his frenemy. But I suppose he may have already found someone else to replace Buckley as a worthy opponent. I just don't know who that would be.
@Saebeck32 Hmm...I wouldn't say "always". There are usually exceptions. Buckley generally showed much better discipline and respect to others during all of his years on Firing Line. However, on this occasion, these two men stepped beyond the lines of proper decorum. They should have refrained from name-calling and/or making threats of violence. I have seen the rest of their discussions during this convention, and I was very impressed with their interactions in an intellectual capacity.
@Saebeck32 By the way, it is interesting to note that Vidal actually meant to say "crypto-fascist" instead of "crypto-Nazi". I have not read about the reason why Vidal felt he had to correct himself. It may have had something to do with the fact that Buckley spent years in the U.S. Army fighting against the Nazis, and openly opposing anti-Semitism years later (even in his own National Review). I admit I am not really certain about this and I do not want to make false claims concerning Vidal.
@Saebeck32 You are correct in stating this. But let us not forget that Buckley later changed his mind about white supremacy. It was some time shortly after the passage of civil rights legislation in 1964-65. He admitted it was a mistake to oppose the legislation. His friend, Garry Wills, was also instrumental in getting Buckley to question the morality of his views (especially in light of the tactics used by white supremacists to oppress minorities). Buckley publicly opposed George Wallace, the
@Saebeck32 John Birch Society, and made sure that anti-Semites did not work at National Review (or at least print their views in his paper). I do not consider myself to belong to Buckley's political ideology, but I do believe by looking at his public record that the man was able to change his mind on at least this topic. I disagree with his views on a lot of things, but I honestly respect him and his intellectual ability. His 33 years of conducting interviews on Firing Line is proof of this.
@Saebeck32 Here's the actual quote: "Now listen, you queer, stop calling me a crypto-Nazi or I’ll sock you in the goddamn face and you’ll stay plastered". Most excellent - except that I don't think anyone could be afraid of being socked in the face by Buckley...
@beeroosterm : Anyone save Gore Vidal and Noam Chomsky. Both men remained quiet after his threat...see the other clip with him and Chomsky. I had no idea Buckley was so full of brass.
@twilson11208 He said it to Chomsky on "Firing Line" as a good-natured joke/reference to the incident with Vidal. Really, it was like being threatened by Thurston Howell III. The way he said "stay plastered" was pure Howell (except Howell wouldn't have been caught dead with a "Yale man")
Yes, indeedy. But who cares? They're of the same oeuvre, being WASP princes, having socialized together, grown rich together, married one another's cousins together since the dawn of time. If it came to pulling you or me out from in front of a runaway bus, they'd each save the other first. Get it? In this instance, "queer" is just a term of endearment.
@MsNineva While your "term of endearment" comment was (likely?) intended as a piece of sarcasm, I cannot help but note how Vidal smiled once Buckley called him a queer. Proof of your claim?...
@datascatter - um, where is that in the video, exactly? The example of screaming "nazi" is there. Sounds like you just needed something to throw in my face and simply made something up.
Out of all the rather effective arguments against the Vietnam War - you've chosen one that (by the looks of it) was wilfully designed to be dishoest or else designed by someone completely devoid of any comprehension of Military History. WWII was a 3-Year sustained bombing campaign. The Vietnam War including America's aggression against both the South and the North was a 20-Year sustained bombing campaign.
Which one do you think would have logically used more bombs..?
@greenranger8100, I am on the toilet right now, right this very second, going poop. It's stinky. It smells like the roast beef with vinegar and garlic mashed potatoes I ate yesterday.
Gore Vidal is indeed a motherfucker, but HE did not make ME shit, that colon filled with digested meat did.
Gore Vidal is a piece of shit of a human being. He became friends with tim mcveigh and called him a hero in the vein of Paul Revere. According to this fucktard, the Oklahoma City bombing was justified. And leftists, I don't want to hear that that is what the US government does. It is not the same, and you are being disingenuous if you pretend you don't know that. gore vidal is the epitome of a spiritually bankrupt emotional retard. People like him make this world shit.
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It was highly inappropiate for Vidal to describe Buckly as a NAZI. It would be like calling a modern Marine veteran "taliban" or "Al-Qaeda". That would not end well.
@MrBlackhaw Well that wasn't the point. Vidal being ahead of the time, was a douchebag who liked to call guests he disagreed with "Nazi" and Buckley, being a man of that time did what any man would likely do at having his honor tainted. Had this been the early part of American history, Buckley would have likely challenged Vidal to a duel... which would be problematic as Mr. Vidal would have probably been ahead of his time regarding "gun control" as well.
@ChurchOfTheWay I do not understand how your post contradicts what I stated. Yes they probably would have dueled it out if they were from the colonial period and yes they were men of their times. Okay. But still it seems more like childish name calling than a debate of ideas. Not much point to it.
Buckley was a right wing fascist. That's the (relatively) "good" news. The bad news is Buckley was an arrogant, pompous ass who didn't like anyone challenging him. William F. Buckley was sleaze.
@Paolo7219 Well, maybe Gore Vidal... who is a true fascist, a left wing thought fascist (Just as Hitler and the National "Socialst" party was... and yes, like many of the knee jerk "right wing" jingoists on Fox News are) should have "challenged" him rather than just call him Nazi? Instead, he only did what you are doing... name call.
@ChurchOfTheWay Vidal is a fascist? You say that based on what? Anyone who disagrees with the right wing? Buckley's comments in this video are despicable. Accusing Vidal of "supporting" people who want to shoot at US Marines. That is completely false. BTW: Buckley was in the "infantry" in NAME ONLY. Buckley served in FDR's honor guard unit. Big deal. Heavy combat there I'm sure.
@davebex13 Well, perhaps that is true now, but in 1968, Gore was the first to use the term "crypto-Nazi" - and Buckley clearly understood its meaning. Still cracks me up to see the blurb; Buckley sounds like Thurston Howell threatening a Yale man...
@CabLuigi "Typical Right wing response, threaten violence. Niceeee...." That's probably the dumbest comment I've ever read. If you DON'T get that pissed off when someone calls you a crypto-Nazi, there's something wrong with you. Punching someone in the face for calling you a Nazi is not warranted? Really? Contrary to what you liberals think, "Nazi" does not mean wanting lower taxes and personal responsibiity, it means MURDERING blacks, Jews, gays, dissidents...
@davebex13 Are you serious? Physically harm someone because they called you a name? You should have been taught that this is not an acceptable stimulus-response set in kindergarten.
@davebex13 No, you don't. Well, maybe YOU do, but if so, that speaks volumes about your maturity level and inability to control your emotions. Doesn't matter what the word is, in my opinion.
@alspageddi Oh, so I'M the immature one for being infuriated by someone calling me a person who'd like to murder blacks, Jews, gays, etc.? I have never read such tripe in all my life.
@davebex13 Don't twist my words; I never said they didn't "matter." I just said that calling someone an offensive one, even a "Nazi," doesn't warrant a physical beating.
@alspageddi Note: he didn't punch the guy over the Nazi insult (though I think he should have). He warned Vidal not to say it again, or else. If that's not the height of class, I don't know what is.
Buckley here makes the most non-threatening threat I've ever seen. He was practically laughing as he said it - even Vidal was smiling; perhaps at his audacity or perhaps at the sheer hilarity of Buckley attempting to threaten ANYone.
If anyone is curious, both men are speaking with a trans-atlantic accent (a cross of American and British English without deferring to one). This is also known as a boarding school accent.
@FolkMusicFanatic Excuse me, but they are not speaking the Queen's English. The Queen's is spoken by those in Great Britain. Buckley spoke like Thurston Howell, and Vidal speaks like someone who just got fucked in the ass. Then again, I read recently that Vidal never once gave or received sexual pleasure.
William Buckley was an ex CIA agent, so he knows what he's talking about because he's seen the corruption of world from a spies perspective and an intellecutal way.
Vidal is just a book room, just talks out of his own butt with theories without expriencing first hand politcs..typical academic.
Do this: type in "terminator fuck you asshole" in the you tube search box then hit enter. Then press F6 and the name of your girlfriend will appear in the fog on the mirror in your bathroom after you shower.
The Terminator ("...phased plasma rifle in forty watt range...") is a COGsucker.
Consider further: sexuality is not black or white; there is a continuum of sexuality (thoughts as well as behaviors) from strict hetero- to strict homo-, and most people do NOT lie on one or the other extreme, despite what they may admit.
Consider: Can an individual construct an intellectual shield by CLAIMING publicly to be gay, and then dimissing any criticism as being 'homophobic' etc?
If someone calls another "fag" as a raw insult, why is that worse than calling them an "asshole"?
Consider: if 'gay' is strictly about sexual preference, then short of seeing an act of homosexuality IN PROGRESS, any assumptions one makes about someone else are based on that person's statements and/or nonsexual behaviors.
Is it improper to make judgments about another based on what they say, or how they behave?
Remember Christopher Lowell? If I dislike him b/c he's effeminate, since I don't know for a FACT he's gay, am I a "homophobe"?
Why do people act like gays come in only one flavor? There are plenty of conservative gay people. Gay is not a political persuasion. It's a sexual orientation. Unfortunately, for many politically conservative gay people, they don't have the luxury of being openly gay, as they choose to side with people who despise their sexual orientation. Buckley certainly came across as effete, which is a quality often and erroneously attributed to gay people, making Buckley's disdain of Vidal rather ironic.
Hey, Ted Kocinski, it's bewildering how a nagging little femme like you keeps struggling with near-suicidal depression by propping yourself up with these fantasy self-images as some beloved Noam Chomsky analog, when you're more like Kocinski, or that sick bastard in Silence of the Lambs who kidnapped the senator's daughter.
Don't you get it, butthole? We DON'T want to 'debate' you!! You are a SICK fag, ashamed of your own sexual perversion and depressed
@fromis111, here's some insight, you creep brown dirt cowboy: most people are less "intelligent" than that sick phuck Ted Kocinski, but only a fellow SICK fuckbucket like YOU believes relative "intelligence" means a god damned thing.
You sad, pathetic loser. You ARE Ted Kocinski.
You sadly have built your entire, pathetic self-perception around some bizarre notion of your 'intelligence'. Sad. Sick.
Hey fromis-fuck, when you're naked with one of your fat, mentally ill pseudo-intellectual boyfriends, do you like to stick your penis in another man-boy's butthole, or do you like to have some stiff-pickled PRE-vert ram his wiener in YOUR rectum? Do you have AIDS (yet)? Do you suck the penis of another guy? Do you watch YouTube videos where a band's lead singer masturbates on stage?
Sick, sad loser. Your only friends are other AIDS afflicted HO-MOs.
@fromis111, swallow a dildo with a trailing string attached to a half dozen fish hooks. Those hooks will catch all the tissue in your GI tract along the way and fucking tear you apart from the inside. As your bowels propel the dildo along, the fish hooks continue to claw your guts in a painful ballet (THERE'S a word your gay ass likes!) of butchery from hell. You bleed to near-death, and spill gut bacteria into your circulation, so you'll enjoy a painful death from sepsis. ;-)
@fromis111, normal people know you're sick, but you stroke your pickle in some game of "I'm smarter than yo-oooh!!"
Nobody but your gay butt-budies here in mastur-debate fantasy land give a damn about y'all, gay-boy!!
You live in some dysfunctional community of HIV (+) rump rangers. You have to stick your finger in your butthole to digitally disimpact your feces, but you enjoy doing it.
I hope you get raped by cage fighters with the wooden stick on a toilet plunger.
We'll wait to see the bullshit pseudointellectual "buckley v faggot vidal" response by cocksucker troutfuck, but it will include some shit about "being FOR one group doesn't necessarily mean being AGAINST another..." puke puke puke....
Fuckballs secular radical naive dickfaces like that have this mentally ill notion that all groups of individuals, all cultures, etc, are equivalent, EXCEPT for those who disagree with them.
Liberals are bigoted but they are unable to see it because they delude themselves into thinking that "being FOR" some group doesn't mean being AGAINST someone else, a particularly ironic phenomenon because the groups they are "FOR" qualify in the minds of FUCKHEAD libs, like that faggot @troutmaskreplicaa, because said libs feel condescendingly superior to their perceived group-in-need. Libs see themselves as the saviors of groups of people who 'couldn't make it but for ME!!' Fuckhead.
"listen you queer..." Y'see Conservatives are only openly bigoted and prejudice when the times allow it, when it becomes unacceptable in modernity, it's scribbled out and its members are asked to memorise the ex-rule so there's no paperwork of their hideous hatred, racism, homophobia, xenophobia etc.
After all, fat boy, I've been one-on-one under the sheets with both guys (including a married guy!!) and on a couple of occasions with a girl friend of mine, and while I LOVE guys, the 'girl thing' is uniquely special.
Mmmmmmmmm, my imagination is wandering to some really erotic memories....
@g17y5wb Wow, I see you've gone from the sexless politics dork stereotype to the decadent pot-smoking gay hippie one, just overnight! If I reference Ted Nugent will you tell me to shove my NRA membership up my Coulter-loving country-boy ass?
I think if I continue this conversation any longer, I will go into a choma or devolve into an amoeba. We need to move on. Let me know whatever other 'conclusions' you've drawn from your creepy investigations into my viewing history. Or feel free not to.
William F. Buckley Jr. For the WIN!!!
comichound 1 week ago
Vidal always with a slimy aura. Right on Bill!
paititi 1 week ago in playlist Favorite videos
Good for Gore!
MiserableOldFart 1 week ago
Did he out Vidal here or was it already known by this point?
mrgreyblake 1 week ago
Buckley lost the argument by resorting to violence
SuperBagshot 2 weeks ago
@SuperBagshot Buckley didn't "resort to violence," and Vidal lost the argument by resorting to acting childish; telling him to shut up and calling him names. Notice he stopped that when the threat of eating Buckley's fist manifested. He wasn't so cocky then.
ErikPaulsonFan 2 weeks ago
@SuperBagshot
If this was a boxing match then Vidal was the first one to start hitting below the belt,to use that term.He was being very rude and im not surprised Buckley got mad.Why not say Could you allow me to finish or please stop interrupting me?Telling another person to shut up in any situation only leads to trouble and bad feeling.Its only a pity that Buckley didnt follow throught on his threat.
mbucd 2 weeks ago
crypto-nazi is a little over the line
SlickExecutiveType 2 weeks ago
@SlickExecutiveType very damn little.
MiserableOldFart 1 week ago
Even at his angriest moments, Buckley's words roll off his tongue like delicately-crafted poetry! "I may be ready to clobber you in the face, Vidal, but by God I'm going to be one SUAVE motherfucker while I'm doing it!" *turns nose upward*
icarus313 2 weeks ago 2
"-and you'll ssstay plaastered" said so elegantly
rikicarvu1 3 weeks ago
sucker.
nomadnametab 3 weeks ago
gore vidal was a stupid communist ass hole. he was so arrogant and such a know it all, and racist, he said communism is a wonderful idea, if it had been adopted here instead of in russia it would have succeeded. but they in their "slavic stupidity" took it and ruined it. no good cock .
nomadnametab 3 weeks ago
@nomadnametab The arrogance faded when the threat of getting his face smashed in came into the picture. Shame it didn't happen.
ErikPaulsonFan 2 weeks ago
I disagree with most of Buckley's views, but he is like a superhero compared to the juvenile "conservatives" talking out of their asses these days.
1960mayhem 1 month ago 15
Vidal should have been like, well then do it.
ChronoTriggerMusic 1 month ago
"Now listen you queer..."
lmao
pcgamer010 1 month ago 5
These are the memorable moments when you have to understand that some people of whom you tought highly, actually have no class.
For all the Gore Vidal fanboys:
If you think that is a proper way to treat a guest debater on your show, you DESERVE to be punched in the face.
sooperfukker 1 month ago
@sooperfukker We've all had our low moments bro. I've had them and so have you.
jerzy862 1 month ago
@sooperfukker bahahaha troll harder faggot
maulzor 1 month ago
Obviously entertaining. But at least these two political adversaries faced off in a public forum. Not like todays smear tactics that are aided and abetted by a liberal media. And this was 43 yrs. ago! Why does it feel like we have LESS freedom today? Because political corrctness is helping to erode American society.
zep2zap 1 month ago
@zep2zap So true. I long to see intellectuals from both sides of the political divide duke it out like these fellows. Not likely sadly in our soundbite age.
tiranuir 1 month ago
things, but it's also the victors who write and rewrite the history books and control most to all of the content in entertainment and the media. The true villains take their names out of it and lay the blame at another's feet.
Black Africans hunted down, captured, transported and sold their fellows. But long before this "whites" were being kidnapped from Western Europe, Ireland, Scotland, the British peasantry, etc., were the first slaves of the colonies and back then there were so called "Neg
N1k1mon 1 month ago
@reasoninfusion
Alright, then you're a bigot.
You've been sold a bill of goods and now, along with many "whites", in America and in Europe have had their own oppression and slavery erased from the history books. Deal with your own programming first, you're still thinking in generalities and horribly false ones at that.
Newsflash: It's MONEY/WEALTH/GAIN that's been at the heart of most things as we consider "racism" because a ruling class must use their majority as a smokescreen, among other
N1k1mon 1 month ago
Didn't know Bill O"Reilly has been around this long. . . .
bluevalentine9 2 months ago
@bluevalentine9 To compare Bill O'Reilly to William F Buckley is totally wrong. William F Buckley was never a sell-out or a liar. He stood for what he believed in, and he eloquently set out those beliefs - none of which I've ever seen Bill do. Bill uses cheap tactics, shouting, editing, controlling who comes on. William was a man of his time.
EllyMcCormack 1 month ago
Vidal had been spreading lies and smears about Buckley and his family for years. Putting them together was a deliberate provocation on the part of ABC News.
sallieparker 2 months ago
The right versus the left (airy-fairy) debate.
MarinaHill 2 months ago
Hahaha why can't live TV be like this nowadays?
bim2x4 2 months ago
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"you people"
RobynHode8 2 months ago
The office brought be here :)
DarthDan1331 2 months ago
why do liberals always have to throw the turd into the swimming pool?
davebex13 2 months ago
Freedom of speech - has always required - freedom of airspace
You are free to say what you want to your pet cat - while I broadcast to the nation
OghamTheBold 2 months ago
Buckley called him a queer lol, Vidal was more or less like, "yea" your still a crypto-nazi lol
UtopiaMinor666 3 months ago 3
ah, when there was actual debate on TV news by actual intellectuals...kids these days would be horrified and offended at the uncensored style of those days.
MsMaggieOC 3 months ago
I love the pen in hand, finger in ear pose. It adds a special something.
richardcadbury 3 months ago
Vidal was right though, as nazi is a common stand in for fascist, but more specifically totalitarian.
ChicaWolverina 3 months ago
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ChicaWolverina 3 months ago
I'll sock you in your Goddamn face, and it'll stay plastered.. Damn.
thetobelliot 3 months ago 21
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Why does Buckley need to resort to ad hominem attacks and threats of punches to the face?
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lightandbeautiful 3 months ago
It says a lot about modern American conservatives since they consider this belligerent, reactionary bigot their idol.
neosoc 3 months ago
@neosoc Buckley served in WWII as an American soldier and Vidal was calling him a Nazi because he did not agree with Vidal's viewpoint. Naturally, Buckley reacted with anger and stood up for himself. It is what men do. Stand up for themselves and their principles when threatened or disparaged. Vidal was the bigot for resorting to base name calling instead of civil discourse.
free2contemplate 3 months ago
@free2contemplate Any man who's stated goal is to "stand athwart history yelling 'stop'!" is, and will always be, nothing but a reactionary (especially one who supported segregation while it was fashionable among conservatives), and deserves nothing but contempt and condescension from his fellow man. Furthermore, if there is any sign that someone has no place in a debate, it is rebutting his criticisms by threatening to hit his critic.
neosoc 3 months ago
@neosoc Any person who thinks his country is moving in the wrong direction and stands up yelling, "stop" is merely exercising his political rights to freedom of speech. Odd that you think this is a damnable sin. As for supporting segregation, the Democratic party in the South was the group most in favor of that.
free2contemplate 3 months ago
@free2contemplate "stand athwart history yelling 'stop'!" sounds like opposition to human progress to me. Also, Dixiecrats supporting segregation doesn't excuse Buckley from doing so as well. Vidal was right: Hell has probably been much livelier since Buclkey kicked the bucket.
neosoc 3 months ago
@neosoc History is not the same as progress. When the Roman Empire fell, civilization fell into darkness and it was many hundreds of years until it clawed back to the level the Romans had achieved. Buckley was not for segregation; he was against the federal government's means of ending it. That is a huge difference. To put it in modern terms: people protesting the Iraqi war were not supporters of Saddam's brutal regime that tortured and slaughtered people, but against the means for ending it.
free2contemplate 3 months ago
@free2contemplate “The central question that emerges... is whether the White community in the South is entitled to take such measures as are necessary to prevail, politically and culturally, in areas in which it does not predominate numerically? The sobering answer is Yes—the White community is so entitled because, for the time being, it is the advanced race.”
Sounds like an endorsement of segregation if I ever heard one. Rebut that, sunshine.
neosoc 3 months ago
@neosoc Reference please.
free2contemplate 3 months ago
@free2contemplate National Review editorial from 1957.
neosoc 3 months ago
@neosoc According to Wikipedia he said strenuously disagreed with George Wallace and admitted he made a mistake in opposing the civil rights legislation and grew to admire Martin Luther King Jr. And he worked very hard to remove anti-Semitism. Doesn't sound like a bigot. Sounds like someone who made a statement in his earlier years, he grew to regret and even worked to rectify.
free2contemplate 3 months ago
@free2contemplate You could say that. A more cynical person (e.g. me) would suggest that Buckley only sought to distance himself from the more out-and-out bigots (e.g. the John Birch Society) for fear of being associated with them and thus being consigned to the cesspool that is the American right-wing fringe.
neosoc 3 months ago
@neosoc You can say that if you choose. I think it is better to judge people by their actions and not to imagine I know what it is in their heart. Buckley's actions were not those of a bigot. And I strongly disagree with the statement that the American right is a "cesspool." Why do you feel the need to end every statement with a vicious name calling? Do you think that makes your argument sound more logical or convincing?
free2contemplate 3 months ago
@free2contemplate 1. I believe I specifically referred to the "fringe" right wing.
2. Because, yes, the American right-wing IS, in fact, a cesspool. In fact, American politics in general is a cesspool. As Buckley put it, there is only one party, "the Business Party," which puts profits over people and the general good. A few honest politicians can do precisely NOTHING about that.
neosoc 3 months ago
@free2contemplate Also, the Roman Empire fell because it had become corrupt and decadent... much like ours has. Time doesn't care about how much you love your country or culture; when it's time for it to go, it's time for it to go.
neosoc 3 months ago
@neosoc The point is that what replaced it was a step backwards...so history is not the same as progress. Why it fell is irrelevant.
free2contemplate 3 months ago
@free2contemplate By the way, Vidal's labeling of Buckley as a "crypto-nazi" was a response to Buckley's baseless accusation that the Anti-Vietnam War protesters included "pro-Nazi" elements.
neosoc 3 months ago
@neosoc Not that is not accurate, according to the Wikipedia. Buckley was speaking about the right to ostracize people for holding views you consider repugnant. He gave the example of people in the US who were pro-Nazi during WWII and how they were ostracized when Vidal, without provocation, called Buckley a "crypto-Nazi."
free2contemplate 3 months ago
@free2contemplate I was led to believe, also according to Wikipedia somehow, that they were discussing freedom of speech as regards to protesters waving the Viet Cong flag.
neosoc 3 months ago
@neosoc Yes. But Buckley never called them Nazis. And he did not say they could not wave that flag. He said he was free to ostracize them for waving that flag.
free2contemplate 3 months ago
@free2contemplate In this debate, that was his entire point. They were talking about weather or not William Buckley had the right to forcefully take down a vietcong flag. Buckley was in favor of it.
415Dub 3 months ago
@415Dub Buckley was absolutely correct. To wave the Vietcong flag was to support America's enemies who were killing American soldiers at that time. If during WWII somebody had walked down the street waving a Nazi flag, you can bet that it most likely would have been forcibly removed from him by other outraged Americans. To wave the flag of the enemy army that is killing your nation's soldiers crosses the line from freedom of speech to treason.
free2contemplate 3 months ago
@free2contemplate if you disagree with a war your country is fighting it dosent make it treasonous. in my opinion the most patitic americans during vietnam were those who protested the war.
goodday306 2 months ago
@goodday306 Buckley did not say protesting the war was treasonous, he said waving the flag of the enemy was treasonous because that shows you support the enemy and want them to win. You can be patriotic and protest the war, but you cannot be patriotic if you support the enemy that wants to kill your country's soldiers.
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petedako 3 months ago
He should have socked the communist faggot and gotten it over with.
Sistarovat 3 months ago
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William F. Buckley, was severely deluded, imbued with prig and sprig grandiloquence, which compounded the echo-chamber impact of his dithering verbosity; notable are his a) nearly arch eye movements, b) flamboyant torso posturing, c) haughty ruse of an accent, akin in its inane superciliousness to that voiced by miss-informed Grace Kelly; both clearly unwitting fashion victims of an era touting WASP arriviste glare, d) while Grace had beauty and charm, e) Alcohol-Bill proved bore & closet-case
CarCriticAssessor 3 months ago
@CarCriticAssessor And again.
thesparitan 2 months ago
Two worthless and wimpy A-Holes
MrYellowlabs 4 months ago
@ayguey Sure, anyone who doesn't approve of homosexuality is a fascist homophobe. How long have you been afflicted with the mental dosorder that is modern liberalism?
antistatist22 4 months ago
Yes...real TV. Call someone a Nazi or a queer if that's how you feel. Share ideas and opinions!
dedbusted 4 months ago 2
A little irony here is that Buckley had an entirely pleasant interview with Fascist leader Sir Oswald Mosley. Lucky for America it was never broadcast.
DerBlitzStag 4 months ago
This was a genuine moment. I loved it.
TheAlijun1 4 months ago
LMAO, He meant to call Buckley a crypto-fascist, which is what he was, but he flubbed it and called him a Nazi. Fuckley was the first to use nazi a reference and then like a typical fascist feigned outrage when compared to one himself. Then he proves Vidal right with his homophobic slur, typical of fascists, which he later regretted; but still continued his fascist homophobia later on. Still funny, though... Vidal IS gay and Fuckley WAS a crypto-fascist
ayguey100 4 months ago
"The point of the American democracy is you can express any point of view you want...shut up a minute."
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Schlockenspiel 4 months ago
@753hill I wish more of Bill O'Reilly's guests on FOX would tell him to "shut up a minute" — why invite a guest on your show and then talk over his points and what he's trying to say? It always makes the host seem like a jack ass — granted, it's probably a lot harder these days the way the shoot and cut the video...
petedako 3 months ago
@753hill ha... idiot. he was rudely interrupting him. he can vomit his right-wing voodoo as much as he wants in his own time but let Mr. Vidal speak.
RedChilliGod 2 months ago
@753hill I hope that was a joke. Buckley was interrupting his speech, so he told him to shut up. He didn't forbid him from ever voicing his opinion.
Seedofwinter 2 months ago
@753hill Ohhhh, Vidal got him good!! Obama in 2012!!!
Oceanpacifica1968 2 months ago
@753hill Actually, "shut up a minute" is pretty appropriate when someone keeps interrupting you.
SuperHappyCow 2 months ago
"The point of the American democracy is you can express any point of view you want...shut up a minute."
753hill 4 months ago
I'm responding to what you said, which was "Punching someone in the face for calling you a Nazi is not warranted?" I stand by what I said--it is not warranted. As far as Buckley, no, threats are not the height of class. Perhaps addressing what Vidal was saying would have been classier, or telling him that resorting to insults was petty. But instead he was pettier, and had to resort to a threat.
alspageddi 4 months ago
Buckley's response is tame compared to the vitriol of the right nowadays.
RightWingHunter666 4 months ago
@RightWingHunter666 Really? That's funny, I thought the left-wingers were the ones comparing the TEA Party to Nazis...
davebex13 4 months ago
So this is the great Conservative "Intellectual"? Unimpressed...
Eaglesfaninca 4 months ago
@Eaglesfaninca Um...how exactly would YOU react if someone called you a Nazi?
davebex13 4 months ago
@davebex13 I wasn't refering to that. I watched a few videos of him and he does not impress me as an "intellectual".
Eaglesfaninca 4 months ago
@Eaglesfaninca OK, you're obviously entitled to your opinion...
davebex13 4 months ago
@davebex13 I watched his debate with Noam Chomsky and felt very frustrated for Chomsky's sake. Buckley was either being deliberatly dishonest or just plain ignorant.
Eaglesfaninca 4 months ago
I loved Mr. Vidal's comment when Buckley died: that in hell he will join the other bigots he defended all his life.
ZarahLean 5 months ago
@ZarahLean *Sigh* To think of all the years these men spent hating on each other. It sounds like a tragicomedy. But I'm almost certain that Buckley would have made a similar comment if Vidal died first. I believe that Vidal misses his frenemy. But I suppose he may have already found someone else to replace Buckley as a worthy opponent. I just don't know who that would be.
TheAgathist 5 months ago
Did he call him a queer at 0:50?
Saebeck32 5 months ago 16
@Saebeck32 Indeed, he did. I must say that I am always amused when I hear Buckley talk smack.
TheAgathist 5 months ago
@TheAgathist It's always weird watching a conservative try to talk smack. It always comes out as awkward and borderline hateful.
Saebeck32 5 months ago
@Saebeck32 Hmm...I wouldn't say "always". There are usually exceptions. Buckley generally showed much better discipline and respect to others during all of his years on Firing Line. However, on this occasion, these two men stepped beyond the lines of proper decorum. They should have refrained from name-calling and/or making threats of violence. I have seen the rest of their discussions during this convention, and I was very impressed with their interactions in an intellectual capacity.
TheAgathist 5 months ago
@Saebeck32 By the way, it is interesting to note that Vidal actually meant to say "crypto-fascist" instead of "crypto-Nazi". I have not read about the reason why Vidal felt he had to correct himself. It may have had something to do with the fact that Buckley spent years in the U.S. Army fighting against the Nazis, and openly opposing anti-Semitism years later (even in his own National Review). I admit I am not really certain about this and I do not want to make false claims concerning Vidal.
TheAgathist 5 months ago
@TheAgathist Buckley was against the passage of the civil rights act....which does sound a bit nazi-like.
Saebeck32 5 months ago
@Saebeck32 You are correct in stating this. But let us not forget that Buckley later changed his mind about white supremacy. It was some time shortly after the passage of civil rights legislation in 1964-65. He admitted it was a mistake to oppose the legislation. His friend, Garry Wills, was also instrumental in getting Buckley to question the morality of his views (especially in light of the tactics used by white supremacists to oppress minorities). Buckley publicly opposed George Wallace, the
TheAgathist 5 months ago
@Saebeck32 John Birch Society, and made sure that anti-Semites did not work at National Review (or at least print their views in his paper). I do not consider myself to belong to Buckley's political ideology, but I do believe by looking at his public record that the man was able to change his mind on at least this topic. I disagree with his views on a lot of things, but I honestly respect him and his intellectual ability. His 33 years of conducting interviews on Firing Line is proof of this.
TheAgathist 5 months ago
@Saebeck32 Yes he did.
Eaglesfaninca 4 months ago
@Saebeck32 Here's the actual quote: "Now listen, you queer, stop calling me a crypto-Nazi or I’ll sock you in the goddamn face and you’ll stay plastered". Most excellent - except that I don't think anyone could be afraid of being socked in the face by Buckley...
beeroosterm 4 months ago
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larkstyle 4 months ago
@beeroosterm : Anyone save Gore Vidal and Noam Chomsky. Both men remained quiet after his threat...see the other clip with him and Chomsky. I had no idea Buckley was so full of brass.
twilson11208 4 months ago
@twilson11208 He said it to Chomsky on "Firing Line" as a good-natured joke/reference to the incident with Vidal. Really, it was like being threatened by Thurston Howell III. The way he said "stay plastered" was pure Howell (except Howell wouldn't have been caught dead with a "Yale man")
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larkstyle 4 months ago
@Saebeck32
sounds like it
dronespace 4 months ago
@Saebeck32 He sure did, and he sounds like a real vicious queen saying it!
petedako 3 months ago
@Saebeck32
Yes, indeedy. But who cares? They're of the same oeuvre, being WASP princes, having socialized together, grown rich together, married one another's cousins together since the dawn of time. If it came to pulling you or me out from in front of a runaway bus, they'd each save the other first. Get it? In this instance, "queer" is just a term of endearment.
MsNineva 3 months ago
@MsNineva While your "term of endearment" comment was (likely?) intended as a piece of sarcasm, I cannot help but note how Vidal smiled once Buckley called him a queer. Proof of your claim?...
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baverdi 5 months ago
@datascatter - um, where is that in the video, exactly? The example of screaming "nazi" is there. Sounds like you just needed something to throw in my face and simply made something up.
Did it make you feel better? :D
corncat 5 months ago
@surkhalam
Out of all the rather effective arguments against the Vietnam War - you've chosen one that (by the looks of it) was wilfully designed to be dishoest or else designed by someone completely devoid of any comprehension of Military History. WWII was a 3-Year sustained bombing campaign. The Vietnam War including America's aggression against both the South and the North was a 20-Year sustained bombing campaign.
Which one do you think would have logically used more bombs..?
BelfastAtheist 5 months ago
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BelfastAtheist 5 months ago
Buckley had an aversion towards homos. I thought this was originally in color?
zoperxplex 5 months ago
Gore Vidal was the hero of anti Americanism. A homosexula Communist who seemed to have a a pension for large black penises
2002lees 5 months ago
@datascatter Gore Vidal was a communist and a homosexual
2002lees 5 months ago
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2002lees 5 months ago
Dang. Even back then, Lefies were callin' everyone "Nazi"....
corncat 5 months ago
history is repeating itself, but dont you think its scary that we are not producing more Gore Vidal's
arcz10 5 months ago
wow, This gave me some great insight into the kind of traitors that existed during the cold war.
I watched the whole series and Vidal didn't seem to be able argue a single point other than inferring that the right wing is racist. What a dick.
Visfen 5 months ago
LMAO- Buckley (a wimp) threatening to kick Vidal's ass (a faggot). Funny stuff.
rayjr62 5 months ago
@greenranger8100, I am on the toilet right now, right this very second, going poop. It's stinky. It smells like the roast beef with vinegar and garlic mashed potatoes I ate yesterday.
Gore Vidal is indeed a motherfucker, but HE did not make ME shit, that colon filled with digested meat did.
g17y5wb 5 months ago
Fuck you
Fuck you
Fuck you
g17y5wb 5 months ago
I love it. "Now listen you queer..." How many men are even THAT manly these days?!
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TomDavid88 5 months ago
Gore Vidal is a piece of shit of a human being. He became friends with tim mcveigh and called him a hero in the vein of Paul Revere. According to this fucktard, the Oklahoma City bombing was justified. And leftists, I don't want to hear that that is what the US government does. It is not the same, and you are being disingenuous if you pretend you don't know that. gore vidal is the epitome of a spiritually bankrupt emotional retard. People like him make this world shit.
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It was highly inappropiate for Vidal to describe Buckly as a NAZI. It would be like calling a modern Marine veteran "taliban" or "Al-Qaeda". That would not end well.
variablebinary 6 months ago
In all these debates did they just call each other names and that is it. I mean what is the real point to that ?
MrBlackhaw 6 months ago
@MrBlackhaw Well that wasn't the point. Vidal being ahead of the time, was a douchebag who liked to call guests he disagreed with "Nazi" and Buckley, being a man of that time did what any man would likely do at having his honor tainted. Had this been the early part of American history, Buckley would have likely challenged Vidal to a duel... which would be problematic as Mr. Vidal would have probably been ahead of his time regarding "gun control" as well.
ChurchOfTheWay 6 months ago
@ChurchOfTheWay I do not understand how your post contradicts what I stated. Yes they probably would have dueled it out if they were from the colonial period and yes they were men of their times. Okay. But still it seems more like childish name calling than a debate of ideas. Not much point to it.
MrBlackhaw 6 months ago
Buckley was a right wing fascist. That's the (relatively) "good" news. The bad news is Buckley was an arrogant, pompous ass who didn't like anyone challenging him. William F. Buckley was sleaze.
Paolo7219 6 months ago
@Paolo7219 Well, maybe Gore Vidal... who is a true fascist, a left wing thought fascist (Just as Hitler and the National "Socialst" party was... and yes, like many of the knee jerk "right wing" jingoists on Fox News are) should have "challenged" him rather than just call him Nazi? Instead, he only did what you are doing... name call.
ChurchOfTheWay 6 months ago
@ChurchOfTheWay Vidal is a fascist? You say that based on what? Anyone who disagrees with the right wing? Buckley's comments in this video are despicable. Accusing Vidal of "supporting" people who want to shoot at US Marines. That is completely false. BTW: Buckley was in the "infantry" in NAME ONLY. Buckley served in FDR's honor guard unit. Big deal. Heavy combat there I'm sure.
Paolo7219 6 months ago
Typical Right wing response, threaten violence. Niceeee....
CabLuigi 6 months ago
@CabLuigi Yeah, like all of those right wing union thugs in Wisconsin.
ChurchOfTheWay 6 months ago
@CabLuigi Typical left-wing comment by Gore, to call any right-winger a Nazi
davebex13 4 months ago
@davebex13 Well, perhaps that is true now, but in 1968, Gore was the first to use the term "crypto-Nazi" - and Buckley clearly understood its meaning. Still cracks me up to see the blurb; Buckley sounds like Thurston Howell threatening a Yale man...
beeroosterm 4 months ago
@CabLuigi "Typical Right wing response, threaten violence. Niceeee...." That's probably the dumbest comment I've ever read. If you DON'T get that pissed off when someone calls you a crypto-Nazi, there's something wrong with you. Punching someone in the face for calling you a Nazi is not warranted? Really? Contrary to what you liberals think, "Nazi" does not mean wanting lower taxes and personal responsibiity, it means MURDERING blacks, Jews, gays, dissidents...
davebex13 4 months ago
@davebex13 Are you serious? Physically harm someone because they called you a name? You should have been taught that this is not an acceptable stimulus-response set in kindergarten.
alspageddi 4 months ago
@alspageddi You do not hit someone for calling you "stupid" or "ugly." But you SURE AS HELL hit someone who calls you a Nazi.
davebex13 4 months ago
@davebex13 No, you don't. Well, maybe YOU do, but if so, that speaks volumes about your maturity level and inability to control your emotions. Doesn't matter what the word is, in my opinion.
alspageddi 4 months ago
@alspageddi Oh, so I'M the immature one for being infuriated by someone calling me a person who'd like to murder blacks, Jews, gays, etc.? I have never read such tripe in all my life.
Words do matter.
davebex13 4 months ago
@davebex13 Don't twist my words; I never said they didn't "matter." I just said that calling someone an offensive one, even a "Nazi," doesn't warrant a physical beating.
alspageddi 4 months ago
@alspageddi Note: he didn't punch the guy over the Nazi insult (though I think he should have). He warned Vidal not to say it again, or else. If that's not the height of class, I don't know what is.
davebex13 4 months ago
@davebex13 If you think the 'height of class' is issuing a physical threat, you have no clue what class is.
percivalconstantine 4 months ago
@davebex13 COOL STORY BRO
CabLuigi 4 months ago
Buckley here makes the most non-threatening threat I've ever seen. He was practically laughing as he said it - even Vidal was smiling; perhaps at his audacity or perhaps at the sheer hilarity of Buckley attempting to threaten ANYone.
beeroosterm 6 months ago
If anyone is curious, both men are speaking with a trans-atlantic accent (a cross of American and British English without deferring to one). This is also known as a boarding school accent.
KOHF34 6 months ago
Gotta love how they speak the Queen's English. I like these old clips a lot.
FolkMusicFanatic 6 months ago
@FolkMusicFanatic Excuse me, but they are not speaking the Queen's English. The Queen's is spoken by those in Great Britain. Buckley spoke like Thurston Howell, and Vidal speaks like someone who just got fucked in the ass. Then again, I read recently that Vidal never once gave or received sexual pleasure.
beeroosterm 4 months ago
William Buckley was an ex CIA agent, so he knows what he's talking about because he's seen the corruption of world from a spies perspective and an intellecutal way.
Vidal is just a book room, just talks out of his own butt with theories without expriencing first hand politcs..typical academic.
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Red Sox vs Tampa Bay-- now in the fucking 16th inning- motherfuck.
gj7l1O0ij49gq1l00O0l 6 months ago
Do this: type in "terminator fuck you asshole" in the you tube search box then hit enter. Then press F6 and the name of your girlfriend will appear in the fog on the mirror in your bathroom after you shower.
The Terminator ("...phased plasma rifle in forty watt range...") is a COGsucker.
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gj7l1O0ij49gq1l00O0l 6 months ago
Buckey should punch this liberal nazi in the face!
doczg88 6 months ago
@doczg88 "this liberal nazi"... priceless.
blargnase 6 months ago
@blargnase I agree :)
doczg88 6 months ago
Consider further: sexuality is not black or white; there is a continuum of sexuality (thoughts as well as behaviors) from strict hetero- to strict homo-, and most people do NOT lie on one or the other extreme, despite what they may admit.
Consider: Can an individual construct an intellectual shield by CLAIMING publicly to be gay, and then dimissing any criticism as being 'homophobic' etc?
If someone calls another "fag" as a raw insult, why is that worse than calling them an "asshole"?
gj7l1O0ij49gq1l00O0l 6 months ago
Consider: if 'gay' is strictly about sexual preference, then short of seeing an act of homosexuality IN PROGRESS, any assumptions one makes about someone else are based on that person's statements and/or nonsexual behaviors.
Is it improper to make judgments about another based on what they say, or how they behave?
Remember Christopher Lowell? If I dislike him b/c he's effeminate, since I don't know for a FACT he's gay, am I a "homophobe"?
Do you defend gays without thinking about it?
gj7l1O0ij49gq1l00O0l 6 months ago
Why do people act like gays come in only one flavor? There are plenty of conservative gay people. Gay is not a political persuasion. It's a sexual orientation. Unfortunately, for many politically conservative gay people, they don't have the luxury of being openly gay, as they choose to side with people who despise their sexual orientation. Buckley certainly came across as effete, which is a quality often and erroneously attributed to gay people, making Buckley's disdain of Vidal rather ironic.
HumbleHarry 6 months ago
Fuckin' "Ethel Merman"!!!
Piss
Fuck
g17y5wb 6 months ago
@fromis111, thay there, big boy....
Hey, Ted Kocinski, it's bewildering how a nagging little femme like you keeps struggling with near-suicidal depression by propping yourself up with these fantasy self-images as some beloved Noam Chomsky analog, when you're more like Kocinski, or that sick bastard in Silence of the Lambs who kidnapped the senator's daughter.
Don't you get it, butthole? We DON'T want to 'debate' you!! You are a SICK fag, ashamed of your own sexual perversion and depressed
g17y5wb 6 months ago
@fromis111, here's some insight, you creep brown dirt cowboy: most people are less "intelligent" than that sick phuck Ted Kocinski, but only a fellow SICK fuckbucket like YOU believes relative "intelligence" means a god damned thing.
You sad, pathetic loser. You ARE Ted Kocinski.
You sadly have built your entire, pathetic self-perception around some bizarre notion of your 'intelligence'. Sad. Sick.
g17y5wb 6 months ago
Hey fromis-fuck, when you're naked with one of your fat, mentally ill pseudo-intellectual boyfriends, do you like to stick your penis in another man-boy's butthole, or do you like to have some stiff-pickled PRE-vert ram his wiener in YOUR rectum? Do you have AIDS (yet)? Do you suck the penis of another guy? Do you watch YouTube videos where a band's lead singer masturbates on stage?
Sick, sad loser. Your only friends are other AIDS afflicted HO-MOs.
g17y5wb 6 months ago
@fromis111, swallow a dildo with a trailing string attached to a half dozen fish hooks. Those hooks will catch all the tissue in your GI tract along the way and fucking tear you apart from the inside. As your bowels propel the dildo along, the fish hooks continue to claw your guts in a painful ballet (THERE'S a word your gay ass likes!) of butchery from hell. You bleed to near-death, and spill gut bacteria into your circulation, so you'll enjoy a painful death from sepsis. ;-)
g17y5wb 6 months ago
@fromis111, normal people know you're sick, but you stroke your pickle in some game of "I'm smarter than yo-oooh!!"
Nobody but your gay butt-budies here in mastur-debate fantasy land give a damn about y'all, gay-boy!!
You live in some dysfunctional community of HIV (+) rump rangers. You have to stick your finger in your butthole to digitally disimpact your feces, but you enjoy doing it.
I hope you get raped by cage fighters with the wooden stick on a toilet plunger.
I love you dearly.
g17y5wb 6 months ago
We'll wait to see the bullshit pseudointellectual "buckley v faggot vidal" response by cocksucker troutfuck, but it will include some shit about "being FOR one group doesn't necessarily mean being AGAINST another..." puke puke puke....
Fuckballs secular radical naive dickfaces like that have this mentally ill notion that all groups of individuals, all cultures, etc, are equivalent, EXCEPT for those who disagree with them.
Childishly naive, deluded liberal idiots.
Wanna lick my pussy??
g17y5wb 6 months ago
Liberals are bigoted but they are unable to see it because they delude themselves into thinking that "being FOR" some group doesn't mean being AGAINST someone else, a particularly ironic phenomenon because the groups they are "FOR" qualify in the minds of FUCKHEAD libs, like that faggot @troutmaskreplicaa, because said libs feel condescendingly superior to their perceived group-in-need. Libs see themselves as the saviors of groups of people who 'couldn't make it but for ME!!' Fuckhead.
g17y5wb 6 months ago
"listen you queer..." Y'see Conservatives are only openly bigoted and prejudice when the times allow it, when it becomes unacceptable in modernity, it's scribbled out and its members are asked to memorise the ex-rule so there's no paperwork of their hideous hatred, racism, homophobia, xenophobia etc.
TroutMaskReplicaa 7 months ago
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Boys need to know that 'smart' girls not only like sex, but that they can be sex-Y, too.
I'm not going to Cornell, but I almost have a crush on Sheila Nirenberg!!
;-() yeah, baby!!!
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g17y5wb 7 months ago
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g17y5wb 7 months ago
After all, fat boy, I've been one-on-one under the sheets with both guys (including a married guy!!) and on a couple of occasions with a girl friend of mine, and while I LOVE guys, the 'girl thing' is uniquely special.
Mmmmmmmmm, my imagination is wandering to some really erotic memories....
g17y5wb 7 months ago
@g17y5wb Wow, I see you've gone from the sexless politics dork stereotype to the decadent pot-smoking gay hippie one, just overnight! If I reference Ted Nugent will you tell me to shove my NRA membership up my Coulter-loving country-boy ass?
I think if I continue this conversation any longer, I will go into a choma or devolve into an amoeba. We need to move on. Let me know whatever other 'conclusions' you've drawn from your creepy investigations into my viewing history. Or feel free not to.