League of Legends - Jungle Talon

[MinecraftGDP]

quadra kill with jungle talon today xD good tutorial

[JonnyD0G87]

hes quite awesome if u get 1-2 kills

[mdoering1991]

is jungle Talon viable ?

I really like Talon, but i can´t believe he´s a good jungler

[Rekka7773]

@mdoering1991 No, no he's not. Better just stick to what he knows, killing actual people.

[WickedEdge1]

This is shit, you do this during a live game, and you can potentially be looking at counter jungles galore or lack of pressence ganking. Jungle talon is just too slow. Horrible sustain. you're better off lanning solo top or mid vs most caster types.

[stonewall008]

@WickedEdge1 this is season 1

[Zeruckiven]

@WickedEdge1 2 things. #1 This is just showing how you would jungle as talon if you so chose to do it. He never claimed that jungle talon was strong. #2 this is without any leashes from teammates or anything like that. It would be quite a bit easier starting lvl 2 once he killed blue buff.

[sil3ntassailant]

@WickedEdge1 You misunderstand the purpose of these videos. He performs jungles that would be useless as well as viable ones, for the sake of showing how they perform. He is not stupid enough to perform jungle Janna, for instance.

[stormdynasty90]

s2 plz



[poketamonsta2nd]

Jungle Ashe?

[abandonator]

Did he get any better in season 2?

his ganking potential seems very big

[youngchampagne]

This video went viral on Juba Ramciel

[hpwonders123456789]

slowest jungle ever

[TheEnspycelly]

Challenge: Jungle Katarina

[fifrein]

@TheEnspycelly Challenge: Jungle Leblanc or Jungle Cass

[flashharryy]

@fifrein Jungle Cass is easy with blue.

[steeledminer616]

at least for the first bit.

[steeledminer616]

I just noticed that you were the only person playing O.o

[aTomiCfLy1337]

bad jungeler

[steeledminer616]

@aTomiCfLy1337 hello person who can't get jokes! :D

[aawwmm]

and talon is one awasome ganker

[aawwmm]

i think it is possible but you need to have 5 health potions

[darkXkurage]

if not too much trouble, could you post up an actual in-game jungling talon video? normal or rank please, cause i find it hard to imagine talon as an effective jungler

[OkamiSojirou]

@darkXkurage he isn't an effective jungler.

[MackeTheLacke]

Isn't armor better on yellow?? Or do you lose less health if you get the attack speed and the vampire sceptar insteed of the armor and the health pots?

[ThePharaohMan12]

the first jungle is better =)

[VayMatt]

How do u just jungle in general? I played a game as a jungle before and someone said i took the wrong route?

[OkamiSojirou]

@VayMatt Blue to Wolves to Wraiths to Red/Double Golems. OR Wraiths to Wolves to Double Golem to Blue then Red. Either way..

[KillectronicMind]

Talon: Dear God! Jungle creeps!

[Cricri198]

Jungle Soraka does it better LOL

[MisterSmosh]

lol soraka starts at blue but talon starts at witches?

[wtfaccountffs]

he sucks as jungler hes so slow:/ but it worths to try it cause i believe hes great at ganks...dunno

[otlichnik19]

when i see only title i realized that you are noob. TALON IS A CHAMPION FOR LANIN GAME NOT FOR JUNJLING.IF YOU WANT GOOD JUNJLINK BUY NOCTURNE

[y0rickp0st]

@otlichnik19 he jungles with everything that has a possibility of surviving. most are for funsies and wont be used in ranked

[TheMonrat]

@otlichnik19 the only noob here is you...he just shows that you can jungle nearly with everything and how the effectiveness sucks with some heroes....

[dragonflame4990]

@otlichnik19 did u just call stonewall a noob???? lol you must be new to LoL gtfo and noc is good but there are jungles above him in tier

[aegisghost]

@otlichnik19 Whoa. Incoming newb alert! You do realize that Stonewall's ELO is probably a bazilion times higher than you, and that he's so fed on you that he can simply jungle with any champion he wants to?

Maybe, just maybe, you might want to take on Stonewall and CLG before concluding on who's the actual noob here.

[CrossZiggy]

@otlichnik19 Nice spelling, still at primary school I see

[123Raimondo]

why don't u get potion?? that just make the jungle time increase

[HellooooooEveryone]

@123Raimondo cant get potion with vampiric scepter. You start with 475, it costs 450, potions cost 35. Do the math

[TheVnVProductions]

Talon:HAha I've hit lvl 4

"looks at mid lane"

Talon:I can gank the lvl 14 Miss Fortune...Somehow...

[haarbal1997]

@TheVnVProductions If there is a Miss Fortune mid then its all k

[Madchaskon]

@TheVnVProductions

miss fortune at mid lolz

[SkatinBoy244]

@TheVnVProductions This was season 1, were the jungler had most lvls than mid, or the same

[Faeness]

Eh, I don't think this is viable personally, BUT it does show that jungling with Talon is POSSIBLE. There's a difference between possible and viable.

[TheLowercasea]

I found a way to jungle w/ Talon, but this is not it.

You never have any health, it's too easy to be counter jungled.

[Jar0mir]

u can never gank cuz ur always low

[IllSk1llz]

terrible jungle wtf

[TheElectricViolinGuy]

@IllSk1llz lol that was kinda funny

[TheChaoticRapier]

you NEED runes to jungle with talon :p

[1337n00b1995]

how viable is this really? O_o

[Dyomaeth]

@1337n00b1995 Not viable, he can't sustain, he can't recover, not a good jungler.

[Einstreit]

Does life steal work with physical damage abilities?

[bugszor]

@Einstreit Lifesteal works on abilities that is "on next autoattack" so lifesteal will work on talons Q.. as it only strengthens his normal autoatack. Hope this explains it. his W does NOT give lifesteal. that goes with spellvamp as it is still seen as a spell. no matter that it is physical damage.

[Einstreit]

@bugszor

Dat answer.

Thanks.

[ZehTiffenator]

@bugszor Lifesteal actually works on ALL physical damage. From both auto attacks and spells that do physical damage.

[darkstorm980]

@ZehTiffenator

Incorrect, it only works on auto attacks and auto attack modifiers that still deal physical damage, as well as any spells that apply on-hit effects, such as Ezreal's Mystic Shot. Pantheon's Spear Shot, for example, while dealing physical damage, is neither a next-hit auto attack modifier, nor does it apply on hit effects, and instead benefits from spellvamp.

[pinkyfull]

i was about to watch talon jungle then suddenyl alpine glass company, WTF....

[TheDevilsLegacy]

:D nice!

[aznbrownboy]

I expected this to be in the Champion Spotlight...

[edheadonfire]

whos karasumi stonewall008?

[Pringless94]

what about a  4/16/10 , taking smite and crit( or even 1 point in exhaust), in def tree going down to improved hp, and in the last tree to improved buff duration?

[Kiddalee]

Is it just me or is this video a little skippy?

[1337chillax]

I think not viable, he is too low after red to gank, and that golem was 1 hit from killing you, so any counterjungle attempt would ruin talon's jungle. the sustained path keeps in the jungle too long to be useful.

[kilerbylol]

HAAHA those tags are funny!

[ShirosakiX]

Should i buy Nocturne or Talon?

[vakeesan]

@ShirosakiX nocturne is a better jungler

[leagueoflegends022]

@ShirosakiX But Talon is better champ :)

[Magician6224]

@leagueoflegends022 douche bag nocturne is way better then talon ;)

[Magician6224]

@ShirosakiX in my opinion nocturne

[ShirosakiX]

@MrMadisun Noc has to b at lvl unless theres a gank

[MrMadisun]

Nar talon cant jungle if he has to b at level 3...

[juanitto4700]

I like to take out the little minions first when getting those, less damage overall i feel. But thats just me. :)

[lameosore]

hey stonewall. If you happen to see this comment and dont mind replying, what is ur opinion on talon's jungle, can he gank, is his jungle too slow and risky? Just wondering, cause i havnt seen him in any of my games yet and i know his laning can be shit at times off of what ive heard. :)

[juanitto4700]

@lameosore Talon can hold is own in a lane, i've even gone mid with him (this was pvp, not AI) You just have to know his limits and build him right its really not too hard to play him. I build a little differently than most of the guides out there. Even the short clip Riot released, i stray from that build because i found one that increases his damage output like crazy. I would upload it but im brain dead and dont know how to work their site.. ._.

[PDawgize]

@lameosore the jungle time is 7:30. thats bad. Udyr can get level 6 in 5 minutes. He can gank though. U pop R before entering lane, Cutthroat to them, the lades converge, Rake, Q, and your team should help clean up the kill. His lane presence is good, no doubt. Especially 1v1 against a caster. However, other Assassins fulfill the same role better almost. Talon will probably find his place as a roamer, but Lee Sin or Nocturne or even Xin will probably stay more prized for their jungle capability

[ChowCentral]

@PDawgize There was a Talon in a ranked game (1200-1300 ELO) and he actually roamed like you said. He would be constantly trying to zone and shit and it was pretty cool.

[Aquamissile42]

The music fits Talon's quotes surprisingly awesomely.

[kor3an07boi]

Do you buy the champs with money, or do you just have a shit-ton of Ip?

[Bobselete]

so what you're saying is, don't jungle as Talon?

[helenkellerish]

another well done video stonewall!!

[NoUnboundFreedom]

@wakkaman666 Descriptions hard yo

[dwagothegod]

Stonewall what are your thoughts on this route? I actually use it for Nocturne because i die at small golem if i start at blue going down the standard route with cloth + 5 pots.

[viiisto]

quick question stonewall,

is there a noticeable difference when doing the superior jungling path if you were to start at wolves instead of wraiths? I find that when i back after small golems to get armor and pots to do blue, the creeps spawn in order of the direction to red buff. Is there a specific reason as to why we should start as wraiths?

[RawrBrand]

@viiisto He starts at wraiths so he can use smite twice within his first round of the jungle, once on the big wraith and the second time on one of the golems.

[herro94]

@viiisto you start at wraiths so your smite will be up gain for dual golems its a safer route then starting at wolves.

[raphaelmigliori]

This music made me moist.

[ericsayres]

tier shit.... lmfao

[CaptinPudding]

So even though his jungle is slow and very very vulneraqble id have to think his ganks would be absolutley epic stealth in auto attack slow um do the if they flash u jump to um and silence if only his jungle wasn't so weak hed be like shaco on roids

[kingofhollandprods]

Please give me your opinion cuz I dunno nuthing about jungling but if u start of at red, cant u exploit his passive? Thanks. :D Nice vid btw

[Binga81]

Lol i love how all the fanboys dislike posts where Stonewall replies negatively

[Werfluffi]

@Binga81 or more like, posts where people just talk BS and stonewall happens to read it ^^

[kynelius]

Stonewall, I've noticed for AD junglers you tend to go Vampiric Scepter. Is this really the most efficient way to jungle? I understand you spend less on health pots, but in the long run I would think the safer jungling from Cloth Armor 5 pots would be more beneficial.

[Chrikke666]

@kynelius Any jungler with selfsustain can get away with a Vampiric Scepter. Cloth + pots is the choice for those without, or if you want to play really agressively.

[tropicocity]

@Chrikke666 Except...talon has no self-sustain? He has no passive lifesteal, no shield, and no heal. This is the equivalent of jungling with someone like wukong, no sustainability at all, so the lifesteal sceptre is a little odd :/

[Chrikke666]

@tropicocity Which is obviously why the route is pretty risky. At the end Stonewall even has to kite the golems.

[RevPsychobilly]

I can't wait to jungle vs jungle this champ with udyr....

[thanatos167]

Talon= shit

you might be able to get fed, but... he sux

[Scats64]

@thanatos167 you sux

[nikomo0]

I can run a Udyr wolf wraith golem with no runes faster than this crap.

[Josh2658]

took him a while to get to lvl 6

[PaperWalk]

Talon jungler = shit

[GujinGod]

Stonewall, did Soraka's jungle change any after that rework?

[zedvine]

@GujinGod -.-

[Kanthir]

@GujinGod why do you think she got revisited.. check the date of the soraka jungle vid and the release date of that patch......

[indraymond]

Start at red for passiv?

[garnzlol]

@indraymond Except most junglers can't really start at red buff because it does a bit more dmg and such (i think)

[hakeemplan]

@indraymond Stonewall does what he please

[TrdgicHunter]

@indraymond He doesnt stand a achance at level 1 red.

[PDawgize]

@indraymond good luck with that. U'd need ur entire team to help pull. The only person who can solo start red is Shaco. And maybe WW with all AS Runes

[tranefedez]

@indraymond u get the bonus with ur W

[KevinGraillot]

@indraymond I know by experience that red even harder than blue, and I think that's why stonewall008 never did a single jungle video where he start by the red.

[knatteanka]

@KevinGraillot and also the blue helps u more in jungle and red hellps u more in ganks

[jeffhizzle]

@KevinGraillot ^Red is much harder and some champs need the mana regen more than the damage, you want red after blue for ganks.

[roosterchains]

@jeffhizzle Haha, show me one champ that can start red.

[abohnsen19]

@roosterchains Warwick, Rammus, Udyr... Any high/top tier jungler can do it with a leash. You're an idiot lol but I'm not saying it's viable.

[ifrostmen]

@roosterchains Shaco



[roosterchains]

@ifrostmen Ya ur right! And it is some what viable.

[jeffhizzle]

@roosterchains Shaco

[Kanthir]

@roosterchains i managed to start red with nunu, and afaik, ashe started at red in the old vids

dunno if stonewall reads this, but... stonewall, are you gonna revisit ashe and caitlyn?

[masertimer1]

@indraymond no, talon isnt a strong jungler, you'll just die at red even if you had runes

[Rasengan248]

@masertimer1 No, u wont

[nazi8per]

Seems like blue route is more efficient if you want to gank early on

[TheSeamo125]

@nazi8per he can't get the double buffs starting at blue, which defeats the purpose of it, this way he can gain steady xp, and won't die.

[nazi8per]

@TheSeamo125 Watch the end smartass

[JoZ0Z]

If this guy is bad solo top laner, he is just a pubstomber.

[pwdlabr]

Cloth armor 5 pots would be better imho.

[TheDavidA71]

Could you upload a tutorial for nasus (not only jungle)

[haarbal1997]

With a vamperic scepter is always hard.

[Fickakco]

hey why don't you use armor yellow, attack speed is so important ?

[lorenzzo1995]

@Fickakco attack speed is important if you gonna use life steal

[weresmypita]

he is a shit junger no dout, he would dominate lane though

[qwerqs3]

@weresmypita he sucks lane because shit base stats imo

[Wiktor93nh]

@weresmypita Hahaha, not funny -.-

[Zmasch]

This champ isnt a good junger i think

[Tweaty14]

in the beginning it says "leve 6" u missing an L there stonewall

[maquiladora84]

why don't you W first before you Q? doesnt Q do more damage when a target is slowed?

[OMFGWTFBBQLAWLZ]

aspd yellows over armor yellows? is the speed really that important?

[Deefunx]

Would a red leash not help him better at the start to proc his passive?

[Tyraspotar98playa]

how's his ganking? well his jungle is not the fastest tho....

[tryball1]

OMG I w8 fot it 2 day ... u suck

[Observer413]

It is kind of funny thing, that I have both RiotGames and Stonewall subbed, and SW has video about new champion before Riot.

Watching this champ jungling is a bit painful, and im not even mediocre at jungling. How it felt for You, Stonewall? :p

[hlsghost]

@Observer413 Riot's spotlight is out since yesterday.

[Observer413]

@hlsghost Any ideas why I didn't get it in my submissions? ;P After all I have to check their channel manually. It is not why I sub things. Well, thanks for info.

[hlsghost]

@Observer413 Because Youtubes subbox ignores some videos for some reason. The best way to see all your subs is to click on your name top right, click subscriptions. That way you don't miss stuff.

[gameguy301]

Q bleed damage does not apply to minions i am dissapointed, as i bet it would help quite a bit.

[MrEpicCactus]

have you had a chance to play him in lane yet?

[almittamon]

That row of tags



[100mLTbolt]

How much const this champ?,i dunnu cuz in eu server is still unavailable :C

[7zot]

@100mLTbolt its allways the same...

[jacobislucas]

@100mLTbolt i will tell you when you learn how to spell correctly

[Froh]

@100mLTbolt : 6300

[PewPewShooter]

And lol at the tags!

[PewPewShooter]

@ZinhoOK

That sounds like a good idea typically but he probably won't have the health to be able to take the beating because he took either his q or his blink over his w. This would probably make him either die or be dead xP

[PewPewShooter]

@Garudaism

He has a series of videos called Team Battle (insert Champ Name here) that are typically voiced.

[xDrAculax92]

lol ill be sure to do this every ranked match to watch the LOL community flame about it

[DeCypherMuZak]

TIER GODLIKE IN ALL ASPECTS>>>

[Garudaism]

Hey Stonewall have you tought about doing some voice commented jungle video?

I think it could be nice hearing your opinion while you're doing the jungle.

[lenciC7]

Hey Stonewall, do you not like going cloth armor+5 pots? and if so, why?

[Threeteenage]

@lenciC7 He does it on some of his vids, and other vids he figures that other items rather then cloth + 5 pots would be more beneficial to the champ i guess XD

[Threeteenage]

@lenciC7 And he also did it in this video.

[NicolFaustXIII]

@lenciC7 Sustained route practically never uses cloth armor 5 pot. going cloth armor 5 pot is more attuned to aggressive route so you can get sustainability for counter jungling and requires leash. frankly, not everyone gives a good leash so sustained route start is often safer and faster for levels but can't counter jungle as easily or do as easy early ganks

[Ghostlyman11]

7:30 seconds to leve 6?

[deathisme3]

would it be faster or better for ganks if you start red because of his passive?

[mindlesstube]

Do a Soraka jungle as she got buffed, I wanna see how fast u can do it!

[complexoxo]

Man if Talon was able to jungle he would be amazing ...

[porpsi]

nice music

[Da16k1]

is he good at solo top lane? something like irelia ? can he be built as a bruiser? (trinity force..etc)

[tinypowerz]

tier shit, not bad!

[KneeOJustice]

what is your opinion on Talon (as a laner or jungler)? I'm considering buying him.