Gothic chant - École de Notre-Dame: Benedicamus Domino

[gjlander100]

This seems to me less Gothic than Eastern Orthodox... If the cantor is Eastern Orthodox, perhaps he might stick to his knitting., I am a scholar of early music.

[acerb45666555]

@gjlander100 ........Goths were Orthodox once before the schism deal split the church. So this chant is probably from that period just before the schism when Orthodox types were around !

[acerb45666555]

@gjlander100 ..ps: ignore first comment. my mistake.........Goths hit Rome in 410. Western Roman district was likely fully Catholic by then. VisiGoth villages had to become only Catholic, as well including as some of the remaining followers of the Arian,(Arius), Philosophy.

[JwahAmore31]

@acerb45666555 That's correct! Way to go, mate! Your history lesson NEEDED to be stated, here! This chant is pure GENIUS and I love it as GOD's music! Again, thank you for sheding real wisdom reg. this EPIC piece and time in Western/Eastern history! Selah, my friend!

Cheers, love!

- J

[mmbmbmbmb]

Little do I know ;o)

But I would have associated this with Arabic Origin

I love it ~ wherever it originates from. Thanks!

[Strefanasha]

in my high school music class of nearly 40 years ago i was taught that this, the very beginning of counterpoint, was primitive.

But, really?

I DONT THINK SO.

This is incredible, and i would never have found it but for the internet and youtube

[MrNivelle]

L'Ecole Notre Dame date d'approximativement 1160. Le grand schisme (excommunication réciproque Rome/Constantinople) n'a eu lieu que 100 ans auparavant. Cette pièce est tout simplement chrétienne. L'utilisation du bourdon chanté ici par une basse profonde vous donne à penser que cette musique est russe-orthodoxe. Ce n'est pas le cas. L'école Notre-Dame fut crée conjointement avec l'école St Martial de Limoges. Elles sont situées toutes les deux sur le territoire de l'Actuelle France.

[selenafeggary]

This is definitely an orthodox chant.

[Humaneering]

great love and peace from RobotRuss

[DemMedHornene]

The Gothic Era was a time with a lot of God worshipping, might as well be the time the phrase "God have mercy" accoured.

[calledartist]

the part from 00:00 to 00:25 makes wanna run around naked in the forest

[FraterNM]

What beauty! GOD be with you.

[shawrw5]

Interesting -- but I don't see much serious evidence for this type of style coming from Notre Dame.

[SelvesteDovregubben]

@shawrw5 Are you familiar with music from before the 15th century?

[LeMousqueteerBleu]

This is an Orthodox chant! Please explain ! how can this be?? ; )

[Callixtinus]

@LeMousqueteerBleu : It is not. The reason why many people get confused about this piece is that the primary chanter is a master of Byzantine Chant and thus he adds melismatic flavour to it (which is characteristic in easter liturgical music). The style, tonality etc are western though.

[LeMousqueteerBleu]

@Callixtinus ok, thanks.... : ) ... many chapters of European history will be re-written one day. and remember, NOTHING is more beautiful than the TRUTH !!!

[RollinOnVWGTI]

@LeMousqueteerBleu its catholic, but man... orthodox and catholic chants are almost exact, i dont belive they should be owned by a religion, both orthodox and catholic chants are gods music and i leave it at that.

[kedgwell]

@MegaKrishan123 You mean "than what Western ears are used to, right" : )

[MegaKrishan123]

@kedgwell Thanks for correcting me :) I just edited my comment.

*It should read "more Eastern than what Western ears are used to".

[Voluespa]

Amazon can help You. There are actually 6 Pieces, between 49,00 - 128,-- €.

Greets

[epn10]

Does anyone know the base chant that is used here for the Ite Missa est?

[999Thip]

dead music..

[dlteodorian]

it reminds me Greek orthodox hymn...  amazing !!!!

[dragonheart8706]

Callixtinus: did you get this from an audio CD? Do you know where I might be able to find this for purchase?

[Callixtinus]

@dragonheart8706 :

Messe de la Nativite de la Vierge - Ecole Notre-Dame / by Ensemble Organum

[sakasaka55]

@Callixtinus That CD is very hard to get these days since it has "expired". its not made anymore so not even the most well-sorted cd stores has any trace of it. its a shame. i would by it this instant. does anyone know how to get it???

[sakasaka55]

@Callixtinus this cd is very hard to get these days since it has expired. its not made anymore. does anyone know how to get it??

[benjaminz6]

what a start to this chant!

[MrPontiusPilate]

I drink your water

[rmweav11]

I drink your milkshake!

:)

[vagos2006]

What a magnificent chant! God Bless You Callixtinus!

[Andreas16329]

C'est vraiement magnifique! Voici l'esprit de l'Antiquitité chrétienne!

Venite, Adoremus!

[santLucius]

excelente, parabéns pela postagem.

[orthodox111]

It's Eastern sounding because Lycourgos Angelopoulos, a famous chanter in the Greek Orthodox Church, is chanting here!!

[statementz]

Beautiful! Are you sure this is Gregorian, though? It sounds very very Eastern.

[varaioun]

Why do a lot of these have ison? The chants actually had them or it's a reconstructionist addition?

[jastus1]

It's not an ison. It is the second voice, only chanted to sound like an ison. First, the one who chants the ison does not utter the syllables of the chant but only one vocal (this is not the case here, you can listen to the chant being uttered clearly in the second voice). Second, the notes of ison - the correct ison - follow the tetrachord of the Tone and its alterations, which again is not the case here (vertical harmony, second voice follows the scale of each separate note: evident at 3:53 )

[orthodox111]

Some ison's do this in Orthodox chanting, as you describe. The interpretation of the ison, much like most aspects of Byzantine Orthodox chanting, varies school to school. Besides, it doesn't take someone really proficient in musical theory to realize that Ensemble Organum has a bias for Eastern Orthodox chanting, since the same characteristics are aguably in most of their other CDs (Old Roman, Mozarabic, potentially the Hildegard samples).

[Callixtinus]

According to the Bishop of Achrida in Bulgaria, in the 12lth century, the religious chants of East and West did not differ very much. Ensemble Organum is offering a possible interpretation that is different from modern interpretations of western chants, emphasizing on non-tempered, non-harmonized scales (as they were at the time) and improvisation techniques, which are a distinct feature of byzantine chant to this day...

[Madmachine73]

What's an ison?

[Callixtinus]

It is complicated to explain if you don't know byzantine music theory. The ison is a continuo, one note, chanted on the background of a chant. It is determined by the pentachord of the Tone of the chant (something like the scale; not exactly but you get the idea). Now, the Tone may change in the chant, so does the ison note, according to the variations of the Tone, but it is always fixed for each specific pentachord (for example, the ison of Plagal 4th Tone is note Ni, which is roughly a Do).

[Callixtinus]

However, the rules that govern the use and implementation of ison are a bit complex than what I described above. The ison is used to add resonant depth to the chants and give the impression of both unison and power

[Madmachine73]

So it's a bit like Ars Antigua?

[Callixtinus]

No, in Ars Antiqua the second voice uses vertical harmonies (according to each specific note), ison uses horizontal harmonies (according to the set of 5 notes of the pentachord). Some byzantine chanters nowadays use vertical harmonies like in Ars Antiqua but that's largely an effect of western musical education in eastern traditions.

[epn10]

@Callixtinus So, if my thinking is correct, an ison is sort of like a cantus firmus in reverse - instead of the ornamented line being built off the ison, the ison is built off the ornamented line. Interesting!

FYI, I think the singer of the 'Ite missa est' is Frederic Richard.

[ToryAnarchist]

This is Gregorian Chant?! It sounds so Eastern. Fantastic!!!

[paulcatalin]

Thank you , excelent music !

[irhcpbo]

wtf?