V50 23/12/09 Koi Obituary

[wilubuymygldfish]

im sorry i know how it feels when a animal dies people say u can allways get another but u can't get that one back , u can't revive him it just hurts ur heart

[3nergyking]

Whats the update on your Tancho? is he doing better? I wish we were next door neighbors cause I would love for you to be my mentor in this hobby? Take a look at my fish and tell me what you think.

My pond got destroyed by a tornado so I'm rebuilding one which will take time.

[orientaljoe]

one of my yamabuki ogons died in one of its high speeds ..this time it slamed into the pond wall and i found it swimming up and down and slowly it stoped and i knew it was dead 20 mins later i am sorry for your lost i hav also lost quite a few jumbo koi's which were quite dear to me

[hooinc]

@orientaljoe Is your pond on the small side? Slamming into walls is one of the downsides of a smallish pond. My koi didn't slam into the wall, I was there witnessing everything, from when she was eating normally to suddenly all this happening.

[jordan628trisha]

Hooinc if you freeze the video at :08 she releases some gas. maybe there was something wrong with her stomach? or did you find out what was wrong with her. Btw Im sorry for your loss. Ive lost some jumbo koi before and I know what its like because the koi that ive lost would come to the edge of the pond and eat from my hand. and I still cant find another koi that will do that

[aquamaniacZ]

@jordan628trisha think shes farting or like dunno

[dolittle1992]

I'm really sorry for your  loss, it must be devastating. I cry when I lose my koi and they're only a few inches long. However, I think I may know what happened to her. You said that you had fed them and then she started to do this, well I think that when she food she ate too much and when it expanded in her stomach it compressed her swimm bladder and when she spazzed out it put so much tention on it that it ruptured thus causing the gas bubbles to come out of her vent and gills.

[hooinc]

@dolittle1992 I was feeding sinking food, which doesn't expand half as much as floating food. And I had only just started feeding for about a minute. She ate a little but not that much. Maybe just a few pellets. I don't think expansion could have happened in seconds.

[dolittle1992]

@hooinc it was just a thought

[hooinc]

@dolittle1992 No worries, and much appreciated.

[3nergyking]

Hi,

I think I know why yours died because mine died the same way.

I had cooper in my lines for the pump and galvanized steel. This is very toxic to the fish and it killed all my big ones.

[hooinc]

@3nergyking No copper in my water, nor zinc or lead. Tested professionally already. If there was any, all the rest of my fish would be dead by now too.

[3nergyking]

BTW, your fish I just noticed blew air bubbles through its butt.  I wonder what that meant?

[3nergyking]

Hi,

I think sometimes it could be the oxygen level in your pond. This had happened to stingrays a few years back in a zoo.

[hooinc]

Meaning O2 level too high or too low?

[3nergyking]

I think too low, BTW how big is your Tancho in inches?

[hooinc]

My TDO level is 8.0ppm. My tancho is about 28 inches.

[3nergyking]

Big tancho.  Little advice for maybe future. Go to the fish store and get a small air pump. Like the one for aquariums and put it in your pond. You don't need a big one. Remember though you can't use outside unless if you build a housing around it.

[hooinc]

Small air pump? For what?

[3nergyking]

Because if fish need oxygen they will swim to it. Adds more O2 and for water aeration.

[hooinc]

Watch V44. I already have 2 giant air pumps.

[hooinc]

Post your problem on the forum. If you search for "cloudy eye" on the forum,you will find your answers.

[poisonXvenom]

Wow... this is really heart breaking. Such a nice fish.... It looked perfectly normal too.. T.T

[hooinc]

Yes indeed, and it all developed right in front of my eyes! Everything was perfectly normal till it suddenly happened and within 20 minutes it was all over. She was a very friendly fish, and was like my chagoi in the absence of one.

[hooinc]

I have been advised that the koi likely died from being overladen with eggs. This is one of the risks we face with raising female koi without the 4 seasons, unless we intentionally spawn them.

[chengaun]

My Uncle"s Shiro utsuri Also died of this!! did not manage to lay her eggs and suffocated to death!!

[monscine]

Paul, really sorry seeing this. Believe she got another highest trophy on God kingdom up there.

[hooinc]

Thanks Handy! I hope so too!

[TupacDaDon]

this is a real shame paul :S a very beautiful kohaku indeed... losing a koi is the worst aspect of our hobby, luckily your other koi are doing fine, my condolences bro

[hooinc]

Thanks, Steven.

[maxinegrundy]

What a huge shame . .. stunning koi i am sure she will be missed :o(

[tancho]

Such a shame. She was a beauty. Hope your other fish are fine

[hooinc]

Thanks. Yep, the rest are fine, other than my pop eyed tancho in my avatar which has swim bladder problem. I suspect she will not see the end of next year. She's had this condition for 16 months already.

[chengaun]

I Am So Sorry. :( I Liked Your Tancho. Pity :-(.

Merry Christmas & A Happy New Year. :-)

[chengaun]

My Deepest Condolences. Such A Beautiful Fish.

[jakoi945]

sorry for your loss, how long did you have her for.

[hooinc]

I bought her as a 56cm nisai in January 2007 so I had her for just about 3 years.

[unclePTM]

one thing comes to mind, totally speculation on my part, is that for serious koi keepers, the volume of feeds daily is often much higher than in wild natural setting (where there is more of a variety), a bit like sumo diet if you will, with higher body fat as a result. i wonder if that plays a role to koi fish health in the long run...is there a tradeoff between long term health and short term bulking up...

[hooinc]

Yes, that may indeed be a distinct possibility and something that we have to live with if we want to have well-built show koi in our ponds, unfortunately.

[unclePTM]

human do not die until our heart or lungs fail. in your case, your water condition cannot be a suspect (can't say that for many others'). so i wonder if it may productive to investigate on that track to see if the cardio or the resp system of that fish was compromised. take care and best regards. better times just around the corner!

[hooinc]

I am also seeking input from hobbyists more knowledgeable than myself as to what might have happened. One strange thing that I noticed (only later, upon examining the video) was the small bubble stream emerging from her vent. I don't think it was the water condition otherwise other koi would be affected too.

[unclePTM]

my speculation is that perhaps at that point her gill function is shutting down, so any air bubbles that she swallowed near the surface at her last moments cannot be effectively "processed" as usual?

[hooinc]

TBH, I have absolutely no idea but I guess that may be possible. Thanks for your input, Uncle.

[unclePTM]

for someone as helpful and kind like you, i cannot imagine how hard this can be. i wonder if you can try to make something positive out of this. is there an aquarium park near where you live where there are qualified marine biological vets that can help find the cause for this. con't

[hooinc]

I'm of the understanding that the marine biologists/vets can only make a meaningful assessment if the fish is brought to them within 30mins of dying, and even then it must be ice packed. This was not possible since it happened at night.

[unclePTM]

i see,,,

[10kpondguy]

im sorry for your loss, such a beautiful fish, so much time, truly sad. you tried. she looked great, very odd that she passed under the circumstances. again im truly sorry.

[hooinc]

Thanks for your wishes, 10k.