CHE DONNA MERAVIGLIOSA ! CHE CANTANTE STRAORDINARIA ! RENATA TEBALDI = MERAVIGLIA DELLA LIRICA ; DONNE COME QUESTA SEGNANO IN MODO CATEGORICO LA STORIA DELL'UMANITA.' RENATA CI MANCHI !
What a beautiful woman Renata is in this old recording! I have to squint my eyes to see her better. But I am very happy to see her with incredible voice here. No other sopranos can match her commanding performance like this, period.
Now as a Leontyne fan who was advised to come here to compare, I have to admit that I still prefer the timbre and fluidity of my girl's voice and phrasing. But still this is mighty impressive--not least because I'm stunned at the strength and power of Renata's voice coming as it does from her more diminutive frame! And yes, she completely owns this stage. No wonder she is a legend for all time.
People rarely mention what a consumate and focused actress she was on the stage. She's hardly moving at all, and yet, her stage presence is just gripping! And do you hear that control of dynamics? This is a woman who knows what she's doing.
From 1953 to 1960, every SINGLE one of Tebaldi's performances of this role outshone even her studio effort with the stellar cast. Just nobody can sing this aria like Tebaldi!! No one.
@luvevearden - Tebaldi has her points, but you and others should listen to Rosa Ponselle, in her 1928 rendition .. if you want the BEST intonation and delivery, possible.
of course the voice and singing are amazing. but honestly the acting is not that good. why does she rush off stage before the end of the note. when she ducks, it sort of kills the dramatic effect.
Please read the argument of the opera and you'll understand that makes perfect sense she runs to hide when she hears voices coming up the hill. Wow that's not so difficult to understand.
Indeed Im not familiar with the plot of the play. Ive come to this aria with Leontyne Price singing in concert. I was blown away by her performance when she stands on stage both her feet stuck in the ground and staring at the audience. But as I said, Tebaldis rendition is amazing. But maybe I should not compare a concert performance and a live opera performance.
I think her physical acting is quite moving in this performance ... and don't forget, she is indeed acting with her voice, too ... you can't separate the two elements
Whoever the person or people are who are keeping the rating for this just below a full set of stars should have their reproductive organs removed. I'd say brains, but that would be an obvious mistake.
Splendide timbre! c'est là son meilleur rôle verdien...dommage que son ut ait toujours été hasardeux, sans cette réserve ç'aurait été là la plus belle sporano italienne du siècle...
She is being slightly out of tune all the time. She tends to do that everywhere. It is surprising for a woman with a such a well famed technique. ANyone can offer an explanation?
What an elegant, imposing and beautiful woman. I will not comment on the voice. It speaks for itself... and will do long after we are all gone. Thanks for this. My loving regards,
e sempre piu grande l emozione nel riascoltare renata tebaldi alla prese con il suo personaggio preferito...il fraseggio l eleganza nei movimenti ke meraviglia grazie renata sei nei nostri cuori!
Divine,truly divine singing...I wonder how would she sound now with all the recording "tricks" they "apply" on likes of Gheorgiou and Netrebko ...... Golden era of golden voices long gone ..... :(
This is a sensitive, moving, powerful performance, very expressive and technically adept (the difficult octave leap, for example).
But the best I've ever heard? I'm not sure. I certainly wouldn't want to give up Leontyne Price's or Caballe's performances of the aria, both of which I found exquisite. Nor, on recordings, the great performances of Boninsegna, Ponselle, Milanov, and Callas. One thing I agree with: it is difficult to find singing of this caliber today.
I love her heavenly spinto voice! I find hers and Callas' the best portrayals of Leonora out there...
Just a quick note: Callas' voice was HUGE and she is noted for having the most full-throated high notes out there (And think she was a Dramatic Soprano!) and Sutherland's voice was bigger than the average coloratura cos she was training to become a Wagnerian soprano. That's all...
Tebaldi's voice was enormous.She was pratically begged to sing Elsa by more than one legendary conductor.I'm just adding that in,I agree with what you've said completely. God forbid we don't mention Ponsell the singer's singer who was is universally considered the greatest soprano of our time. I consider Tebaldi on the same level,but quitethe perfect technique of Ponselle. Don'tmisunderstand me-Tebaldiis my absolute favorite singer,and I considerher to be the greates Italian spinto soprano ever.
What assholes gave Frufrucucu the red thumbs down?
It's one of the most informative,educated comments I've seen here in a very long time. It's always the ones who know nothing about singing, except their own ego attachment to certain voices. Complete imbeciles.
Yes an specially this '58 Napoli Forza is the BEST of her life.She is greater here live 1958 San Carlo than in her '55 studio version.Since the begining to the end of the night Renata firm tone, her voice is at her most sumptuous,The series of high B's in the duet with Christoff is as exciting as a medal-winning Olympic performance
La Tebaldi demostrando que es la voz más bella del Siglo XX y una de las voces más bellas y angelicales de todos los tiempos; una voz como la de Tebaldi solo aparecen una o dos veces en cada siglo.
Caro Mister pedoni, io sono una persona libera, non un mitomane. Apprezzo la Callas, la Tebaldi e altri grandi interpreti, ma non ho il culto delle primedonne e se sento dei difetti lo dico e magari lo scrivo. Tu sei mitomane, non hai orecchi (mica tanto, poi) che per la Renata e qui ti sei ridotto a fare il mastino "of the great Tebaldi". Tu schiumi rabbia, io mi diverto. Ciao.
Carlo è difficile darti ragione anche perché la Tebaldi aveva semplicemente TROPPA VOCE per i microfoni e le apparecchiature dell'epoca. Magari per un/una cantante di oggi saresti in grado di dire che l'acuto è fisso (che poi non è neanche vero, guarda che se si vibra troppo sulle note molto acute viene l'"effetto marea") ma non puoi dirlo per un video registrato coi microfoni degli anni 50, su bobine nagra, poi risincronizzato alla pellicola, registrato su VHS, acquisito in digitale (segue)
(segue da sopra) e riencodato in divx con audio mp3 (si vede che la fonte è il divx che gira, non il dvd recentemente restaurato) e riencodato quindi un'ultima volta su youtube. Ci sono troppi passaggi e il passaggio più critico (il primo, la registrazione) è al limite del volume registrabile, considera anche che l'orchestra ha un fortissimo in quel punto e ti rendi conto.
Sull'"invan la pace" credo che sia l'interpretazione (giusta o sbagliata so' gusti, a me piace) che non un errore.
Se vogliamo criticare la Tebaldi in maniera costruttiva possiamo parlare della confusione che lei fa (se hai visto e se hai sott'occhio lo spartito te ne accorgi) nel primo atto, nel duetto col tenore (Corelli) costringendolo a saltare una battuta. Oppure possiamo parlare di altre opere (non la forza del destino) dove il confronto con altri soprano è più fattibile.
Però appunto una critica dev'essere costruttiva, questo fermo restante che di Forza del destino migliori di questa (e non solo per la Tebaldi) semplicemente NON NE ESISTONO né live né tantomeno in studio. Forse saranno pure state rappresentate (non possiamo saperlo) ma tra quelle registrate (audio o video) non ce ne sono versioni migliori di questa. E ripeto, non solo per la Tebaldi: Corelli Bastianini Christoff e Dominguez sono (insieme a lei) un cast di tutto rispetto.
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Caro cayman, la Tebaldi è stata una grande cantante, non lo nego, ma non era perfetta e lo dici pure tu. Sprattutto non aveva una voce estesa in alto e gli acuti, specie nell'ultima parte della carriera, erano spesso calanti. Su Youtube ci sono diversi filmati in cui i cali di intonazione sono vistosi. I post di commento qui non hanno la pretesa di essere costruttivi, distruttivi o altro....qui non si elaborano recensioni o trattati di canto. Si lasciano impressioni, commenti, osservazioni.....
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...quindi, se navigando tra un filmato e l'altro sento una nota calante o fissa, quand'anche di un mostro sacro, non vedo perché non lo dovrei dire. La Tebaldi è forse intoccabile? Anche la Callas non era perfetta: negli anni del declino emetteva note oscillanti e fastodiose. E' un dato di fatto oggettivo, non un mio parere, che si può rilevare e che comunque non sminuisce la grandezza dell'artista e la sua importanza storica.
Ebbene sì, l'acuto è fisso. Tanto che, forse per questo, qualcuno del pubblico la fischia. Per me, invece, è una grande interpretazione degna di un grande applauso nonostante l'imperfezione. Ma tu, Mister pedoni, mi sembri solo un esaltato.
Glorious enormous and perfect SI bemole fortissimo.Go to Elena Suliotis Pace and you will see what an acuto fisso and white is or play some Callas SI bemole to notice what is an unsteady, wobbly and small acuto
Aveva ragione Celletti. In quest'aria la Tebaldi è superiore alla Callas. L'acuto finale è un po' fisso, ma nel complesso è una grande interpretazione
fisso! you know you cannot live without write infamy toward la grandissima Tebaldi.
The SI bemole finale is perfection and perfect e GRANDE SI b, enormous and heroic Bflat, a note that Maria Callas never could have hit, neither in her dreams!
The problem was that at the time they started to film operas in europe, Maria nearly stopped singing in 1959.That's why we have several Renata filmed operas fortunately, '61 complete Germany Tosca with G.London, '62 Berlin Otello among others
The sad thing about this video is, that it makes clear that there could have been video recordings (!) of Maria Callas performing La Traviata, Medea, Norma, Anna Bolena, Il Pirata, poliuto and Lucia di Lammermoor; but EMI didn't recognize early enough the possibility of video recordings. A talent like Maria Callas' was a unique phenomenon, which we'll never see and hear again! God bless her!
El célebre crítico Rodolfo Celletti dijo: en "La Forza del destino" la Tebaldi es definitivamente superior a la Callas y a la Milanov. Y tenía razón una voz de inextinguible encanto, momentos de supremo deleite por el latido purísimo de una voz humana: Renata Tebaldi.
Pace pace mio dio, cantado pidiendo paz, en ese silencio, en esa profundidad. Desde el pianissimo hasta el forte. Plenitud del texto. Un aria peligrosa. Tanto cuando se llega a maldecir. Pedir paz pero luego maldecir. La interpretación de Tebaldi, la más grande en este rol.
La voz más bella del S. XX y una de las voces más bellas y angelicales de todos los tiempos (Kurt Pahlen). En Hartford (Connecticut) para homenajear a Tebaldi después de una función de Forza le colocaron su nombre a una plaza (Renata Tebaldi Square). Deben ver este video completo, toda la ópera, es uno de los videos históricos de ópera más importantes y asombrosos, en particular por la voz de Tebaldi.
Such subtle effects, such a restrained tenderness, sculptural dimensionality, though powerfully presented interpretation is really beautiful. Beautiful in the sense of lifting one up to contemplation.
To keep opera alive, we must not restrict ourselves to the great singers of the past--and Tebaldi was certainly a shining example. We go to the opera house ever with the hope of experiencing the next great interpretation.
What does your comment have to do about anything I said. I have almost all of TEBALDI'S recordings and listen to them. Did you reply to someone's else's post in error?
Magda Olivero remarked that Renata Tebaldi stunned the usually very animated La Scala audience into silence whenever she sang and into thunderous ovation at the conclusion of every aria in Forza del Destino. Assoluta absolutely!
One of the best complete visual records of live opera. Period. So good, I can't even listen to it live without being thoroughly disappointed. I'm spoiled!
Much as I adore Renata, but she wasn't an Assoluta. And Assoluta is a voice which can sing florid, lyric and dramatic roles. (Lehmann, Easton, young Callas)
I respect versatility but thee are voices and performers whose achievments in a certain repetoire mke them Assoluta, Are there any Assolutos? I say this respecting Lili Lehmann and Florence Easton but even in her eraly years Callas singing was grating to me. Caballe was just as versatile as Callas and a greater voice and singer.
No, my dear, Caballe knew her own and Callas' worth. It's what makes a great artist, you know? Vocal criticism has nothing to do with respect for the dead. As for a better singer, lets look and Caballe's flaws: Nothing above a C, pinched forte high notes, pianissimo excesses, woolen low notes, clumsy fioritura (Except in her very earliest recs) - take her Lucia, Anna etc -, no temperament, lax phrasing...
An Assoluta is a soprano who can sing every fach, from dramatic to lyric coloratura. Not being an Assoluta doesn't make one a "hack". Flagstad was the greatest dramatic soprano of the century. Ponselle was the greatest spinto of the century. They are as great as any Assoluta. An Assoluta is just very rare.
Caballe never had much above a C. And her forte high notes were always mediocre. (Her pianissimo however was great) But Callas had high notes Caballe never had: Let Caballe sing E flats, Es and Ds. (That is why Caballe sang the transposed version of Lucia di Lammermoor for example, she did not have the high notes)
Actually an assoluta is a soprano who 'thinks' she can sing everything well. Being able to sing the notes doesn't mean you should sing the role. Every coloratura has the notes to sing Leonora, Aida, Isolde but singing these roles will make them voiceless. Any soprano who thought of herself as Assoluta ended up voiceless in a few of years. That's not rare, that's just a big ego.
For the there is only one soprano who could sing everything well: Joan Sutherland is the only dramatic soprano with extension that could sing since Barbero LA to Queen of the night FA.I agree with you about other sopranos leggero who cheated the public like Callas
I disagree. Sutherland also thought she could do justice to verismo roles like Adriana Lecouvreur with the weakest and dullest ever middle register. She had the notes but there was no punch at all in the middle where most of the music lies. Even in bel canto I find her outstanding only when she has to sing fast and high notes. Slow arias are disasterous. She mumbles everything and there is hardly ever any pianissimo. Even Tebaldi's qui la voce has more effect on my.
I respect your taste you are not crazy about Joan Sutherland but there is one thing I have to correct.What it is more impressive in Sutherland voice is her middle, Sutherland's middle is very big and fat compared with Caballe for example whose middle is not large at all and Callas middle is definitely smaller than Sutherland's
Not that all, Pedoni. Callas' middle was always big, though metallic rather than creamy. Young Callas' voice spread over three octaves, easily dominating the loudest orchestras, it was a HUGE voice. Sutherland's voice was huge as well, esp. her upper register. Her high notes were COLUMNS of sound.
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Totally wrong Elisabetta.Callas middle was not very big, Callas voice was not very big.And Sutherland voice, it is her fat middle what it makes her an unique case among others lyrical-coloraturas and other pure lyrical sopranos like Caballe whose voice is much smaller than Sutherland definitely
No, dear, I'm not wrong. These are the facts, dearie. As supported by experts, critics, musicians and those who heard Callas live. Live with it. Her middle, though large, was not Sutherland's forte. It got muddy and unfocused pretty early in her career.
Even Sutherland and Bonynge stated that Callas had a huge voice, or atleast they thought so in 1952 when Sutherland was singing Clotilde to Callas' Norma.
But she eventually specialised in what she did best. Yes she sang coloratura roles when she was young and dramatic roles like others but again that doesn't mean her voice was suited to everything, that's why she focused on dramatic roles. Unfortunately the records capture her late in her career so we'll never know.
Reviews of her performances in the late 19th century report quite a bit of "wear and tear" in the middle register, hardly a sign of an intact voice. I don't know many sopranos who admitted that their voices deteriorated - if you ask them, they all retire 'in their prime' lol. Imagine if we didn't have recordings of Caballe in the hundreds of roles she has sung what we would have imagined. She would be have to be a soprano assoluta times x2! However we know she wasn't equally great in all.
This is my favorite Pace mio Dio.'58 Tebaldi Force is the best opera performance I ever heard.
I don't know how she can produce this sound in her mascara in that final Bflat, the most powerful note ever.The complete performance is thrilling vocally and her assumption of the role .Madre pietosa vergine and duet with Christoff is terrific
Tebaldi final fortissimo Bflat is an unbeleivable huge and beautiful note placed in the maschera.Tebaldi voice is very large but among many things that makes her voice unique it is the unbeleivable size and beauty of her voice on top.The note is firm and the vibration is perfect.One of the greatests Bflats ever heard in life!
No, I don't need prozac, nor have I ever tried it. My words were for AngsaUmbria, who referred to Tebaldi as shit. I could have been mistaken, but that's how it appeared. Have you ever taken Prozac? :))
Una de las más sinceras voces que canta esta terrible aria donde primero pides paz y luego termimas maldiciendo. Peligrosa por el contenido emocional que tiene. Además el video es una maravilla, todo desdibujado y Tebaldi tan brillante y clara.
Die Rolle ist Ihr auf denn Leib geschnitten,Sie singt wie ein Engel,ob wohl ich noch kein Engel gesehen habe.
7bbuwe 1 month ago
com'era bella e che voceeeeeeee
luwaig1 1 month ago
Sweet God in Heaven...that SOUND!!!!!
finetoonanimation 3 months ago in playlist Tebaldi 2
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"stuneda" e "corta" come sempre...
ediritoma 4 months ago
The tone quality! .. The power!! .. The interpretation!! BRAVA!!! BRAAAAAVIIIISSSIMA!!! !!!!
Josquinquin 4 months ago
...bravina
MartaMargot1 6 months ago
@MartaMargot1 cretia bravina sarai te
lyside1 5 months ago
@MartaMargot1 se lei è bravina ora sono tutti scarsi i cantanti.
luwaig1 4 months ago
@MartaMargot1 - entiendes de canto ?
Maripudelmonaco 3 months ago
NO HA HABIDO OTRA CANTANTE COMO ELLA!!!!! Sublime, Reina de la lírica.
Maripudelmonaco 6 months ago 2
And how about Eileen Farrel?
du6053 6 months ago
The beautiful expression on her face, The voice. The Golden era.
Ettoredipugnar 7 months ago 2
Mio dio!!!!! best ever jesus
JCLAWS 11 months ago 5
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LEONTYNE PRICE E IL SUPREMO
kenrayez1 1 year ago
The ultimate Leonora ,celestial,unearthly,sublime,divine. And the finale is magical.
VERDIAN PERFECTION.
perfumedlife 1 year ago 10
quoi dire !!! words fail !
pamelabernfeld1 1 year ago
CHE DONNA MERAVIGLIOSA ! CHE CANTANTE STRAORDINARIA ! RENATA TEBALDI = MERAVIGLIA DELLA LIRICA ; DONNE COME QUESTA SEGNANO IN MODO CATEGORICO LA STORIA DELL'UMANITA.' RENATA CI MANCHI !
31122051 1 year ago 4
Non si possono pronunciare parole adeguate. La Sua voce è con gli Angeli e noi possiamo vederli così da vicino solo attraverso di Lei.
MARCOEULINI 1 year ago 3
What a beautiful woman Renata is in this old recording! I have to squint my eyes to see her better. But I am very happy to see her with incredible voice here. No other sopranos can match her commanding performance like this, period.
discoversounds 1 year ago 2
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Milanov in her prime is much better,especially in the mezza voce
monpitt500 1 year ago
non c'é molto da dire a parte di un grande: GRAZIE!!!
etadsum 1 year ago 3
SUPER---STAR*****BEAUTIFUL***
Tenorbravo 1 year ago 7
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How boring... No feeling... Stiff voice.... Out of tune high notes...
breton2 1 year ago
Now as a Leontyne fan who was advised to come here to compare, I have to admit that I still prefer the timbre and fluidity of my girl's voice and phrasing. But still this is mighty impressive--not least because I'm stunned at the strength and power of Renata's voice coming as it does from her more diminutive frame! And yes, she completely owns this stage. No wonder she is a legend for all time.
JohnnyMarsden 1 year ago 4
People rarely mention what a consumate and focused actress she was on the stage. She's hardly moving at all, and yet, her stage presence is just gripping! And do you hear that control of dynamics? This is a woman who knows what she's doing.
castodivo 2 years ago 11
Brava MAESTRA!!!!
maryrapshody 2 years ago 11
Pure class.
d123h456 2 years ago 10
brava RENATA !!!!!
gencerito 2 years ago 11
BIS !!!
VivaRenata 2 years ago 8
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castodivo 2 years ago
Wow what a beautiful voice I give this 100*
ZsaZsadoll 2 years ago 13
Grazie Paulo per questa meraviglia Walter.
macciboma 2 years ago 5
Wow! Does it get any better than this. Brava! TY
paulostroff99 2 years ago 9
A glorious performance of "Pace, pace, mio Dio" Forza by the wonderful Tebaldi!
CanadaPisces 2 years ago 8
strepitosa, unica, ECCEZIONALE
giuseppecaruso2 2 years ago 10
From 1953 to 1960, every SINGLE one of Tebaldi's performances of this role outshone even her studio effort with the stellar cast. Just nobody can sing this aria like Tebaldi!! No one.
luvevearden 2 years ago 34
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@luvevearden - Tebaldi has her points, but you and others should listen to Rosa Ponselle, in her 1928 rendition .. if you want the BEST intonation and delivery, possible.
jhb134 1 year ago
@luvevearden Callas, but in a different way ;)
distefano13069609 1 year ago
@distefano13069609 And Ponselle!!! And Muzio! And Gencer! And...
Elisabetta611 1 year ago
@Elisabetta611 Zinka Milanov also sang this beautifully.
dougbalt 9 months ago
@luveveardenL'unica Leonora. Sto piangiendo.Non posso dire di più. The ultimate Leonora. This performance leaves me in tears and I can say no more.
VivaRenata 1 year ago 5
+ 10 !!!!!! IMMORTALE !!!!!!!
bodiloto 2 years ago 9
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Just dreadful........Yawnnnnnnn!
berlinman46 2 years ago
Evviva la Tebaldi...La sua è la migliore Donna Lepnora di tutti i tempi!!!!! Una grande voce "made in Italy"!!!!!!!
Giuseppevipero 2 years ago 12
TOP
THIS.
newro1 2 years ago 7
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Let the audience say, "Amen"
UrsulanChild 2 years ago
of course the voice and singing are amazing. but honestly the acting is not that good. why does she rush off stage before the end of the note. when she ducks, it sort of kills the dramatic effect.
fontenayperi 2 years ago
Please read the argument of the opera and you'll understand that makes perfect sense she runs to hide when she hears voices coming up the hill. Wow that's not so difficult to understand.
balletfanRGA 2 years ago
Indeed Im not familiar with the plot of the play. Ive come to this aria with Leontyne Price singing in concert. I was blown away by her performance when she stands on stage both her feet stuck in the ground and staring at the audience. But as I said, Tebaldis rendition is amazing. But maybe I should not compare a concert performance and a live opera performance.
fontenayperi 2 years ago 2
I think her physical acting is quite moving in this performance ... and don't forget, she is indeed acting with her voice, too ... you can't separate the two elements
BernardProfitendieu 2 years ago 21
Whoever the person or people are who are keeping the rating for this just below a full set of stars should have their reproductive organs removed. I'd say brains, but that would be an obvious mistake.
Andante735 2 years ago 5
the tone is incredible
Matt54e 2 years ago
Magnificent! She puts today's sopranos in the shade. Brava Renata Tebaldi!
jimthewriter 2 years ago 4
Splendide timbre! c'est là son meilleur rôle verdien...dommage que son ut ait toujours été hasardeux, sans cette réserve ç'aurait été là la plus belle sporano italienne du siècle...
antequem 2 years ago 3
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She is being slightly out of tune all the time. She tends to do that everywhere. It is surprising for a woman with a such a well famed technique. ANyone can offer an explanation?
nomsdufrere 2 years ago
THE ULTIMATE LEONORA.
perfumedlife 2 years ago 11
All valid points of view. I'll leave it at that.
Andante735 2 years ago
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questa roba è terribile. stonata calante dura e urlacchiata.
immensofta 2 years ago
This singing is so extraordinarily beautiful it moves me to tears. She is on another plain. Who could not be moved by this?
CumpariSparacino 2 years ago 9
What an elegant, imposing and beautiful woman. I will not comment on the voice. It speaks for itself... and will do long after we are all gone. Thanks for this. My loving regards,
WiseMonki 2 years ago 9
Lei è meravigliosa, ascoltate la musica che lei fa, ascoltati i colori che designa!
DIVINA!
Garouchka 3 years ago 11
This is a very cool video.
DivaDeb1234 3 years ago 5
BEAUTIFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
operafan100 3 years ago 5
Let's all imagine that we stumble into an opera house this year and hear and see this performance--LIVE!!
oegaziz43 3 years ago 6
Ninguna Leonora como Tebaldi..
filiodecallas 3 years ago 4
BRAVA RENATA!!! Ti amo
Cavaradossi1981 3 years ago 2
wow! La Tealdi rocks!!! a true piano with her WHOLE body...rare even back then
SMMHELDENTENOR 3 years ago 2
yes a true pianissimo as it must be, the note must have the same density of a forte but piano.
And she ends the aria with a Bflat fortissimo of such beauty and great power that it is scaring
claraprellitensky 3 years ago 4
The Tebaldi Leonora is unsurpassed.
iriisblue 3 years ago 10
fabulous
SMMHELDENTENOR 3 years ago 2
senz'altro il meglio del meglio.
senectusmolesta 3 years ago 5
Tebaldi=Leonora. Calls? She is a Legend. I don't deny it. But She's not a Leonora. Only great Tebaldi is called Leonora!!!
cek1111 3 years ago 2
e sempre piu grande l emozione nel riascoltare renata tebaldi alla prese con il suo personaggio preferito...il fraseggio l eleganza nei movimenti ke meraviglia grazie renata sei nei nostri cuori!
emilytransex 3 years ago 4
Voce d'angelo sei una e unica !!!
Divine,truly divine singing...I wonder how would she sound now with all the recording "tricks" they "apply" on likes of Gheorgiou and Netrebko ...... Golden era of golden voices long gone ..... :(
cantopervivere 3 years ago 6
Who can sing this today in this quality? NOBODY!
The secret behind Verdi is VERITA from the BIG HEART!
Heraopera 3 years ago 7
What makes this performance singularly distinctive is bel canto. That's the secret here. La Tebaldi had the technique and she always used it.
iriisblue 3 years ago 4
I don't know if she was schooled in bel canto... I think she was schooled in early 20th century italian singing...I could always be wrong, though...
Frufrucucu 3 years ago
This is a sensitive, moving, powerful performance, very expressive and technically adept (the difficult octave leap, for example).
But the best I've ever heard? I'm not sure. I certainly wouldn't want to give up Leontyne Price's or Caballe's performances of the aria, both of which I found exquisite. Nor, on recordings, the great performances of Boninsegna, Ponselle, Milanov, and Callas. One thing I agree with: it is difficult to find singing of this caliber today.
meltzerboy 3 years ago 2
I love her heavenly spinto voice! I find hers and Callas' the best portrayals of Leonora out there...
Just a quick note: Callas' voice was HUGE and she is noted for having the most full-throated high notes out there (And think she was a Dramatic Soprano!) and Sutherland's voice was bigger than the average coloratura cos she was training to become a Wagnerian soprano. That's all...
Frufrucucu 3 years ago
Tebaldi's voice was enormous.She was pratically begged to sing Elsa by more than one legendary conductor.I'm just adding that in,I agree with what you've said completely. God forbid we don't mention Ponsell the singer's singer who was is universally considered the greatest soprano of our time. I consider Tebaldi on the same level,but quitethe perfect technique of Ponselle. Don'tmisunderstand me-Tebaldiis my absolute favorite singer,and I considerher to be the greates Italian spinto soprano ever.
Andante735 3 years ago 3
What assholes gave Frufrucucu the red thumbs down?
It's one of the most informative,educated comments I've seen here in a very long time. It's always the ones who know nothing about singing, except their own ego attachment to certain voices. Complete imbeciles.
Andante735 3 years ago
Perfect technique, superb interpretation.
minnie888444 3 years ago 15
Cara bella bella Renata -- grazie grazie!
sonozoltan 3 years ago 5
In the post WWII period, Tebaldi's voice was arguably the most well-suited to this role. Absolutely incredible in every musical sense.
VivaMariaCallas 3 years ago 4
Yes an specially this '58 Napoli Forza is the BEST of her life.She is greater here live 1958 San Carlo than in her '55 studio version.Since the begining to the end of the night Renata firm tone, her voice is at her most sumptuous,The series of high B's in the duet with Christoff is as exciting as a medal-winning Olympic performance
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...antica...portamenti insopportabili che compromettono spesso l'intonazione...con tutto il rispetto!
silsio 3 years ago
La Tebaldi demostrando que es la voz más bella del Siglo XX y una de las voces más bellas y angelicales de todos los tiempos; una voz como la de Tebaldi solo aparecen una o dos veces en cada siglo.
aljart 3 years ago
Such a magnificent, beautiful voice! Such a gorgeous woman, too! BRAVA BRAVA, bellissima Renata!
sonozoltan 3 years ago 5
Caro Mister pedoni, io sono una persona libera, non un mitomane. Apprezzo la Callas, la Tebaldi e altri grandi interpreti, ma non ho il culto delle primedonne e se sento dei difetti lo dico e magari lo scrivo. Tu sei mitomane, non hai orecchi (mica tanto, poi) che per la Renata e qui ti sei ridotto a fare il mastino "of the great Tebaldi". Tu schiumi rabbia, io mi diverto. Ciao.
carlo331 3 years ago
Carlo è difficile darti ragione anche perché la Tebaldi aveva semplicemente TROPPA VOCE per i microfoni e le apparecchiature dell'epoca. Magari per un/una cantante di oggi saresti in grado di dire che l'acuto è fisso (che poi non è neanche vero, guarda che se si vibra troppo sulle note molto acute viene l'"effetto marea") ma non puoi dirlo per un video registrato coi microfoni degli anni 50, su bobine nagra, poi risincronizzato alla pellicola, registrato su VHS, acquisito in digitale (segue)
cayman228 3 years ago
(segue da sopra) e riencodato in divx con audio mp3 (si vede che la fonte è il divx che gira, non il dvd recentemente restaurato) e riencodato quindi un'ultima volta su youtube. Ci sono troppi passaggi e il passaggio più critico (il primo, la registrazione) è al limite del volume registrabile, considera anche che l'orchestra ha un fortissimo in quel punto e ti rendi conto.
Sull'"invan la pace" credo che sia l'interpretazione (giusta o sbagliata so' gusti, a me piace) che non un errore.
cayman228 3 years ago
Se vogliamo criticare la Tebaldi in maniera costruttiva possiamo parlare della confusione che lei fa (se hai visto e se hai sott'occhio lo spartito te ne accorgi) nel primo atto, nel duetto col tenore (Corelli) costringendolo a saltare una battuta. Oppure possiamo parlare di altre opere (non la forza del destino) dove il confronto con altri soprano è più fattibile.
Nessuno è perfetto, nemmeno Renata Tebaldi.
cayman228 3 years ago
Però appunto una critica dev'essere costruttiva, questo fermo restante che di Forza del destino migliori di questa (e non solo per la Tebaldi) semplicemente NON NE ESISTONO né live né tantomeno in studio. Forse saranno pure state rappresentate (non possiamo saperlo) ma tra quelle registrate (audio o video) non ce ne sono versioni migliori di questa. E ripeto, non solo per la Tebaldi: Corelli Bastianini Christoff e Dominguez sono (insieme a lei) un cast di tutto rispetto.
cayman228 3 years ago 2
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Caro cayman, la Tebaldi è stata una grande cantante, non lo nego, ma non era perfetta e lo dici pure tu. Sprattutto non aveva una voce estesa in alto e gli acuti, specie nell'ultima parte della carriera, erano spesso calanti. Su Youtube ci sono diversi filmati in cui i cali di intonazione sono vistosi. I post di commento qui non hanno la pretesa di essere costruttivi, distruttivi o altro....qui non si elaborano recensioni o trattati di canto. Si lasciano impressioni, commenti, osservazioni.....
carlo331 3 years ago
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...quindi, se navigando tra un filmato e l'altro sento una nota calante o fissa, quand'anche di un mostro sacro, non vedo perché non lo dovrei dire. La Tebaldi è forse intoccabile? Anche la Callas non era perfetta: negli anni del declino emetteva note oscillanti e fastodiose. E' un dato di fatto oggettivo, non un mio parere, che si può rilevare e che comunque non sminuisce la grandezza dell'artista e la sua importanza storica.
carlo331 3 years ago
Eat shit you whore.
Andante735 2 years ago
Especially for carlo331 or whatever it's name is.
Andante735 2 years ago 2
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Andante, vai a a cacare...con brio
carlo331 2 years ago
Grazie :)
Andante735 2 years ago
Compare this Tebaldi's Pace mio Dio and Birgit Nilsson's Pace mio Dio in youtube too.
Nilsson has a very large voice too, however Nilsson's is a bit thinner than Tebaldi's Tebaldi Bflat is more fat, thicker than Nilsson
paternostro63 3 years ago 6
@paternostro63 Nilsson's voice is big but it is colorless. Two huge voices. Tebaldi has warm in her singing unlike Nilsson.
tebaldicallas 1 year ago 5
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Ebbene sì, l'acuto è fisso. Tanto che, forse per questo, qualcuno del pubblico la fischia. Per me, invece, è una grande interpretazione degna di un grande applauso nonostante l'imperfezione. Ma tu, Mister pedoni, mi sembri solo un esaltato.
carlo331 3 years ago
l'acuto non è perfetto, è perfetissimo
pedoni5 3 years ago 2
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l'acuto non è fisso: è un po' fisso. E anche leggermente stiracchiato. Anche il pianissimo di "invan la pace" non è irreprensibile.
carlo331 3 years ago
Glorious enormous and perfect SI bemole fortissimo.Go to Elena Suliotis Pace and you will see what an acuto fisso and white is or play some Callas SI bemole to notice what is an unsteady, wobbly and small acuto
pedoni5 3 years ago
carlo331: write a book and let's see how many you can sell
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Aveva ragione Celletti. In quest'aria la Tebaldi è superiore alla Callas. L'acuto finale è un po' fisso, ma nel complesso è una grande interpretazione
carlo331 3 years ago
fisso! you know you cannot live without write infamy toward la grandissima Tebaldi.
The SI bemole finale is perfection and perfect e GRANDE SI b, enormous and heroic Bflat, a note that Maria Callas never could have hit, neither in her dreams!
pedoni5 3 years ago
Callas herself didn't believe in opera on film, don't blame EMI.
dlelyveld 3 years ago
There are several Maria filmed recitas.The '58 Paris Opera concert and Tosca 2nd act.The '64 London Tosca 2nd act and two Hamburg concerts
pedoni5 3 years ago
The problem was that at the time they started to film operas in europe, Maria nearly stopped singing in 1959.That's why we have several Renata filmed operas fortunately, '61 complete Germany Tosca with G.London, '62 Berlin Otello among others
pedoni5 3 years ago 2
The sad thing about this video is, that it makes clear that there could have been video recordings (!) of Maria Callas performing La Traviata, Medea, Norma, Anna Bolena, Il Pirata, poliuto and Lucia di Lammermoor; but EMI didn't recognize early enough the possibility of video recordings. A talent like Maria Callas' was a unique phenomenon, which we'll never see and hear again! God bless her!
Klassizismus 3 years ago
She is the best. but I think it's too slow.
cek1111 3 years ago
El célebre crítico Rodolfo Celletti dijo: en "La Forza del destino" la Tebaldi es definitivamente superior a la Callas y a la Milanov. Y tenía razón una voz de inextinguible encanto, momentos de supremo deleite por el latido purísimo de una voz humana: Renata Tebaldi.
aljart 3 years ago 2
Wow! That lady can sing.
hiyacupcake 4 years ago 5
Pace pace mio dio, cantado pidiendo paz, en ese silencio, en esa profundidad. Desde el pianissimo hasta el forte. Plenitud del texto. Un aria peligrosa. Tanto cuando se llega a maldecir. Pedir paz pero luego maldecir. La interpretación de Tebaldi, la más grande en este rol.
filiodecallas 4 years ago 2
La voz más bella del S. XX y una de las voces más bellas y angelicales de todos los tiempos (Kurt Pahlen). En Hartford (Connecticut) para homenajear a Tebaldi después de una función de Forza le colocaron su nombre a una plaza (Renata Tebaldi Square). Deben ver este video completo, toda la ópera, es uno de los videos históricos de ópera más importantes y asombrosos, en particular por la voz de Tebaldi.
aljart 4 years ago
Such subtle effects, such a restrained tenderness, sculptural dimensionality, though powerfully presented interpretation is really beautiful. Beautiful in the sense of lifting one up to contemplation.
dlelyveld 4 years ago 4
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Eleanor Steber...The Best...the rest is the rest. :D
ninasheregoparty 4 years ago
I agree that Steber was great, but don't know what comments out this here, Steber not even sang La Forza. Your commentary is completely outside
Oneguin65 4 years ago
REALLY FANTASTIC!!!!!
Thanks for sharing!!!
08firenze 4 years ago
My goodness, listen to the audience roar their approval at the end! Nice!
7beers 4 years ago 8
To keep opera alive, we must not restrict ourselves to the great singers of the past--and Tebaldi was certainly a shining example. We go to the opera house ever with the hope of experiencing the next great interpretation.
DavWardell 4 years ago
What's your point? Retire this performance and only listen to today's singers.?
I could live on performances like this for the rest of my life.
63Attila 4 years ago
Who care that you can't listen to Tebaldi.
Get a life - Today singers are not as good.
They are no big voices anymore.
VivaTebaldi 3 years ago 2
Viva Tebaldi
What does your comment have to do about anything I said. I have almost all of TEBALDI'S recordings and listen to them. Did you reply to someone's else's post in error?
John
63Attila 3 years ago
I am sorry.
Claude
VivaTebaldi 3 years ago
Apolgy accepted. I love Tebaldi.
Hope to talk to you soon on another site.
Best wishes-JOHN
63Attila 3 years ago
Magda Olivero remarked that Renata Tebaldi stunned the usually very animated La Scala audience into silence whenever she sang and into thunderous ovation at the conclusion of every aria in Forza del Destino. Assoluta absolutely!
veramour 4 years ago 14
Unreal.
One of the best complete visual records of live opera. Period. So good, I can't even listen to it live without being thoroughly disappointed. I'm spoiled!
wotanman 4 years ago 8
Beautiful, really beautiful.
Tebaldi in her element.
xafnndapp 4 years ago 5
Pure perfection- she is the music incarnate.
Andante735 4 years ago 4
Absolutely wonderful... one of the greatest Leonoras.
VivaMariaCallas 4 years ago 3
Bravissima Tebaldi !Glorious sound it comes from very deep, voce assoluta here in top form
pedoni5 4 years ago 6
Much as I adore Renata, but she wasn't an Assoluta. And Assoluta is a voice which can sing florid, lyric and dramatic roles. (Lehmann, Easton, young Callas)
Elisabetta611 4 years ago
By that standard, Flagstad would be what hack.
I respect versatility but thee are voices and performers whose achievments in a certain repetoire mke them Assoluta, Are there any Assolutos? I say this respecting Lili Lehmann and Florence Easton but even in her eraly years Callas singing was grating to me. Caballe was just as versatile as Callas and a greater voice and singer.
63Attila 4 years ago
Disagree completely. Caballe called herself "small compared to Maria". And she should know.
Elisabetta611 4 years ago
Caballe was a very kind and generous person. Most people speak well of the dead.
63Attila 4 years ago 3
No, my dear, Caballe knew her own and Callas' worth. It's what makes a great artist, you know? Vocal criticism has nothing to do with respect for the dead. As for a better singer, lets look and Caballe's flaws: Nothing above a C, pinched forte high notes, pianissimo excesses, woolen low notes, clumsy fioritura (Except in her very earliest recs) - take her Lucia, Anna etc -, no temperament, lax phrasing...
Elisabetta611 4 years ago
An Assoluta is a soprano who can sing every fach, from dramatic to lyric coloratura. Not being an Assoluta doesn't make one a "hack". Flagstad was the greatest dramatic soprano of the century. Ponselle was the greatest spinto of the century. They are as great as any Assoluta. An Assoluta is just very rare.
Elisabetta611 4 years ago
Caballe had better high notes than Callas.
She is not my favorite but her voice was
richer. Callas had ugly high notes and her voice was beautiful.
VivaTebaldi 3 years ago
Caballe never had much above a C. And her forte high notes were always mediocre. (Her pianissimo however was great) But Callas had high notes Caballe never had: Let Caballe sing E flats, Es and Ds. (That is why Caballe sang the transposed version of Lucia di Lammermoor for example, she did not have the high notes)
Elisabetta611 3 years ago
Actually an assoluta is a soprano who 'thinks' she can sing everything well. Being able to sing the notes doesn't mean you should sing the role. Every coloratura has the notes to sing Leonora, Aida, Isolde but singing these roles will make them voiceless. Any soprano who thought of herself as Assoluta ended up voiceless in a few of years. That's not rare, that's just a big ego.
Orfeus80 3 years ago
For the there is only one soprano who could sing everything well: Joan Sutherland is the only dramatic soprano with extension that could sing since Barbero LA to Queen of the night FA.I agree with you about other sopranos leggero who cheated the public like Callas
pedoni5 3 years ago
I disagree. Sutherland also thought she could do justice to verismo roles like Adriana Lecouvreur with the weakest and dullest ever middle register. She had the notes but there was no punch at all in the middle where most of the music lies. Even in bel canto I find her outstanding only when she has to sing fast and high notes. Slow arias are disasterous. She mumbles everything and there is hardly ever any pianissimo. Even Tebaldi's qui la voce has more effect on my.
Orfeus80 3 years ago 2
I respect your taste you are not crazy about Joan Sutherland but there is one thing I have to correct.What it is more impressive in Sutherland voice is her middle, Sutherland's middle is very big and fat compared with Caballe for example whose middle is not large at all and Callas middle is definitely smaller than Sutherland's
pedoni5 3 years ago
Not that all, Pedoni. Callas' middle was always big, though metallic rather than creamy. Young Callas' voice spread over three octaves, easily dominating the loudest orchestras, it was a HUGE voice. Sutherland's voice was huge as well, esp. her upper register. Her high notes were COLUMNS of sound.
Elisabetta611 3 years ago
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Totally wrong Elisabetta.Callas middle was not very big, Callas voice was not very big.And Sutherland voice, it is her fat middle what it makes her an unique case among others lyrical-coloraturas and other pure lyrical sopranos like Caballe whose voice is much smaller than Sutherland definitely
pedoni5 3 years ago
No, dear, I'm not wrong. These are the facts, dearie. As supported by experts, critics, musicians and those who heard Callas live. Live with it. Her middle, though large, was not Sutherland's forte. It got muddy and unfocused pretty early in her career.
Elisabetta611 3 years ago
Even Sutherland and Bonynge stated that Callas had a huge voice, or atleast they thought so in 1952 when Sutherland was singing Clotilde to Callas' Norma.
dhng1982 3 years ago 3
Callas wasn't a leggero and she never "cheated" her audience.
Elisabetta611 3 years ago
For me there are only 3 top sopranos: Sutherland, Tebaldi and Nilsson
Sutherland: perhaps the soprano of the century
Tebaldi and Nilsson: both the "voice" of the century.For me Tebaldi 1st place
pedoni5 3 years ago 4
I notice though Sutherland voice is very big too, it is not as BIG as Tebaldi voice.Tebaldi has the steel in her voice too.
pedoni5 3 years ago 4
Actually, no. Lilli Lehmann was an Assoluta. Her career lasted for decades.
Elisabetta611 3 years ago
But she eventually specialised in what she did best. Yes she sang coloratura roles when she was young and dramatic roles like others but again that doesn't mean her voice was suited to everything, that's why she focused on dramatic roles. Unfortunately the records capture her late in her career so we'll never know.
Orfeus80 3 years ago
She sang coloratura roles well into her old age. According to her they kept her voice intact.
Elisabetta611 3 years ago 5
Reviews of her performances in the late 19th century report quite a bit of "wear and tear" in the middle register, hardly a sign of an intact voice. I don't know many sopranos who admitted that their voices deteriorated - if you ask them, they all retire 'in their prime' lol. Imagine if we didn't have recordings of Caballe in the hundreds of roles she has sung what we would have imagined. She would be have to be a soprano assoluta times x2! However we know she wasn't equally great in all.
Orfeus80 3 years ago 2
This is my favorite Pace mio Dio.'58 Tebaldi Force is the best opera performance I ever heard.
I don't know how she can produce this sound in her mascara in that final Bflat, the most powerful note ever.The complete performance is thrilling vocally and her assumption of the role .Madre pietosa vergine and duet with Christoff is terrific
caleche68 3 years ago 8
The fury in the final note is amazing.
chubblove 4 years ago 6
It's a B flat, and Tebaldi sing it longer five measures instead that one :) wonderful...
cayman228 3 years ago 2
Tebaldi final fortissimo Bflat is an unbeleivable huge and beautiful note placed in the maschera.Tebaldi voice is very large but among many things that makes her voice unique it is the unbeleivable size and beauty of her voice on top.The note is firm and the vibration is perfect.One of the greatests Bflats ever heard in life!
paternostro63 3 years ago 6
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che merda
AngsaUmbria 4 years ago
ma dai non essere assurdo....
xafnndapp 4 years ago
non sei xafnndapp, l'altro culetto su.
Andante735 4 years ago
Hai mai provato prozac?
xafnndapp 4 years ago
No, I don't need prozac, nor have I ever tried it. My words were for AngsaUmbria, who referred to Tebaldi as shit. I could have been mistaken, but that's how it appeared. Have you ever taken Prozac? :))
Andante735 4 years ago
Come down my friend, come down...where did u get so much aggression from?
Se a qualcuno non piace la Tebaldi, problema suo! Chacun a son gout!
xafnndapp 4 years ago
pezza di merda- morti di fame.
Andante735 4 years ago
Una de las más sinceras voces que canta esta terrible aria donde primero pides paz y luego termimas maldiciendo. Peligrosa por el contenido emocional que tiene. Además el video es una maravilla, todo desdibujado y Tebaldi tan brillante y clara.
filiodecallas 4 years ago 2
Fantastic performance!
callasadmirer 4 years ago 4
This rendering gave me "brividi" and tears of joy.
albertscerri 4 years ago 3
Perhaps the best Leonora ever.And what a finale.Perfect and true.
perfumedlife 4 years ago 5