There would have been a "civil war" because from the start, North and South were so very different from each other, and settled by a different group of people with different cultures, and opposing cultures. Its still going on today!
@monumentfloyd Actually, you are right.. as far as I can tell, Robert E. Lee was a great man. I can only find a few flaws in him (like choosing the wrong side, but hey, who would choose to fight their friends & family?) But I do not give Stonewall Jackson the credit a lot of people do.. to me he was a racist, religious nut and an asshole, and if he were alive today, we'd be pwning him on YouTube. :P
@kirke420 "Honest" abe Lincoln was overtly racist in some of his comments. The war was not about slavery. The lie is that the war was fought over slavery. Jefferson Davis said himself : We fight not for slavery but for independence". But if you wish to believe the lie, go ahead.
@monumentfloyd You know all my ancestors fought for the Confederacy, and I am feel HONORED. I will continue to honor them and respect them, no matter what people like you say.
Sure the civil war was fought over politics, economics, and states rights.
But:
The politics of what?
The economics of what?
The state's right to do what?
Slavery may not have been the rallying cry, but it was the underlying factor of EVERY reason the war was fought. The war was stupid, fought for stupid reasons, the south lost.
Also, saying I hate the south says nothing about my opinion of Lincoln.
Finally, if there was no slavery, would there have been a civil war?
It probably won't be the last thing you discover for yourself, either.
Let's put it this way....I believed in the moon landings until I was 44. It occurred to me spontaneously as I layed on my couch, as my mind drifted around random things....then it hit me.
"We went to, ....the MOON??" Now I understand why my father use to shake his head and laugh at it so much back in the 1970's
I don't keep up with it anymore. But I will check it out.
I'll tell you what might impress me , though......pictures of the flags that were supposedly left there from 1969 . I have a real hard time believing the whole thing.
@BrightStaroftheDawn Although I definitely don't share your doubt, I do have to admit that I have no proof of the moon landings other than pictures & film (which can be faked or doctored) and what I am told or can read.
There was a time when I may have ridiculed your disbelief, but as I get older, and especially considering the content of this video, I am gonna withhold my judgement. :P
My grandmother told me that thunder was made by god. I then figured that he was moving all his big heavy furnature around up in heaven. Big oak chests of drawers on castors full of scrolls and other records. One lie logicaly leads you to the next one even though you are only 5 years old.
@GrumpSkull I believed in Santa til I was 10 or 11 because my parents had me so convinced that they didn't make enough money to buy all those presents! :P Keep in mind that I stopped believing in god by 8-9. lol
They tell heaps of lies. I live in Australia and was taught that Captain Cook discovered Australia. No he didn't, he didn't even fully claim that himself. He was like the British Empire's pop star of discovery at the time and it was all fabricated. The Portuguese, Spanish, French and Dutch explorers who were sailing around our shoreline hundreds of years before James Cook ventured this way, He often used his predecessor’s charts to help plot his own version.
Fortunately for us, Rick Perry, Scott Walker, Rick Scott, and Michele Bachmann feel your pain and want to privatize education in both the K-12 grades and higher education in the University System. They will bring back truth in information, and end this liberal conspiracy to dumb down our young people, and make them more competitive in a global marketplace. I'm sorry that you and I had to take one for the team, but the ends justifies the means, right? Vote GOP and save our schools! ;-) (satire)
I had some awesome history teachers. I learned about a complex series of reasons for the civil war a small part of which was slavery. I was in an A track class (which was clearly a mistake!). The other classes just simplified it by saying it was about slavery or Lincoln said it was about slavery or like that. Dumbing down history is always a bad idea in a long run.
@prodigyat9 There was some dumbing down.. but in the case of the cotton gin, they told us exactly the OPPOSITE of what was true... Unfortunately, my good history teacher taught world history, not US...
Nice one Kirke - two of the most politically loaded academic fields are science and history. Science is easier to test because it's based on current evidence, but history is not safe in the hands of politically biased historians.
@kirke420 When I was very young I read an account of the change from the Julian Calendar to the Gregorian in 1582, a change which cut over ten days from the calendar. The account depicted poor people rioting about the change, saying they were stupid because they thought they'd somehow magically lost all that time.
I later learned the riots actually happened because their landlords were demanding a full month's rent for October 1582.
ehm other Europeans did discover America before Columbus. Vikings are kinda from Europe you know. Columbus was the first Christian to discover America.
No my friend the point of the video is EXACTLY that it highlights the level of just how bad the education in the US truly is.
You have learned the truth and thats great, but just consider the many millions more that dont learn the truth about the real world, or worse, they learn the truth but yet dismiss it so easily.
The next horrible thought, is just whats next? What else have you learned that is a lie?
Thanks for helping kirke out and I am glad you figured out the point to _my_ post as you admit to kirke that there are problems in the UK also. Don't worry, I understand you people are raised to be arrogant, I wont hold it against you (much).
What the hell are you talking about? You said I posted to the wrong person, I did no such thing.
then you said about my superrior education, and now you are saying that I figured out your post...
You are either talking gibberish or you are trolling me. Which one? Explain yourself or dont post because you are now only trolling from what I can see.
LOL but then there are a fair number in the UK that are failing to provide true education too! - the number is growng too!
For example the number of muslim schools in the UK that are failing to provide normal education is growing, some have started to get criticism about them deliberately failing to remove non-muslim hatred from the textbooks. This alone promotes intolerance towards non muslims. and only proves the bigottry they have. Its no different to xtians in the Us
I know what your point is, I think. When you find out something like this you have the nagging though in you head: What else was a lie? Do I have to fact check everything I've ever been told? That can upset a body!
@DaithiDublin When I was a kid I 'somehow' got the idea in my head that if I didn't eat all my dinner I was making African babies go hungry! *blush* A confusion of mixed messages from Catholic missionaries I suppose.
To this day, I eat every scrap out of a snack box, but that may be because I'm a hungry bastard :-D
@nickmacky I can remember eating some wild berries from a tree in my neighbourhood as a kid and being told by some other kids that they were poisonous, but that the poison took 5 years to kill you. I was terrified for a week! I caught my mother lying to me when I accidentally discovered that I did not choke to death when I swallowed chewing gum! But what you learn in school, you tend to accept as true. Which is my beef with Catholic schools here.
@nickmacky Haha.. when I was about 5-6, a bear came on TV and said that only *I* could prevent forest fires... Even as a kid I thought that that responsibility was too much for a 5 year old... :P
When I moved from Boston to North Carolina, I gradually realized the difference in what they taught us VS what they taught you. One day my boss made me watch Gone With The Wind, and told me "this is why we still hate the north". I bet the truth is that both sides were lied to, and were used as puppets for bankers and business / land owners ...
Oddly enough that is just about what I was taught. I was told slavery was a great excuse and was indeed part of what was in Lincoln's head and the others but there were other more important "reasons" and not surprisingly they had to do with money and power.
@prodigyat9 We were taught half-truths, that the Civil War was about politics and economics and had nothing to do with slavery. Today I realize that the civil war was about the politics of slavery and the economics of slavery... no, the common soldier in the south did not think that he was fighting for slavery... but how many soldiers in Iraq or Afghanistan think that they are fighting for oil? Would you risk your life for cheaper oil or cotton? No, people risk their lives for "freedom."
By the way you tube is fucking up again ....i have been subbed to you for ages and i always get your videos in my inbox ...exept this time.....i found your video by chance! Fucking you tube lol
@verodefacto You commented in the first 30 minutes, so you mighta just discovered it before it showed up in your box. Or, maybe youtube sucks.. maybe both. :P
There would have been a "civil war" because from the start, North and South were so very different from each other, and settled by a different group of people with different cultures, and opposing cultures. Its still going on today!
monumentfloyd 5 months ago
@monumentfloyd Obviously, I disagree.. you won't change my mind, I won't change yours. No point in debate.
kirke420 5 months ago
I like your hat, so cheer up, we all find out lies (big and small) as we go through life.
calhoun81670 5 months ago
@calhoun81670 Yeah, I know.. it was just so shocking for it to last so long! :)
kirke420 5 months ago
But you gotta respect General Lee, though.
monumentfloyd 5 months ago
@monumentfloyd Actually, you are right.. as far as I can tell, Robert E. Lee was a great man. I can only find a few flaws in him (like choosing the wrong side, but hey, who would choose to fight their friends & family?) But I do not give Stonewall Jackson the credit a lot of people do.. to me he was a racist, religious nut and an asshole, and if he were alive today, we'd be pwning him on YouTube. :P
kirke420 5 months ago
@kirke420 "Honest" abe Lincoln was overtly racist in some of his comments. The war was not about slavery. The lie is that the war was fought over slavery. Jefferson Davis said himself : We fight not for slavery but for independence". But if you wish to believe the lie, go ahead.
monumentfloyd 5 months ago
@monumentfloyd You know all my ancestors fought for the Confederacy, and I am feel HONORED. I will continue to honor them and respect them, no matter what people like you say.
monumentfloyd 5 months ago
@kirke420 Choosing the wrong side? He chose what he felt in his heart was right, and thats a good thing.
monumentfloyd 5 months ago
@monumentfloyd
Sure the civil war was fought over politics, economics, and states rights.
But:
The politics of what?
The economics of what?
The state's right to do what?
Slavery may not have been the rallying cry, but it was the underlying factor of EVERY reason the war was fought. The war was stupid, fought for stupid reasons, the south lost.
Also, saying I hate the south says nothing about my opinion of Lincoln.
Finally, if there was no slavery, would there have been a civil war?
kirke420 5 months ago
did you ever tell yourself, "promises tend to be lies..."
promises are like predicting the uncertain future
Minan3 5 months ago
@Minan3 Never said that, but I realized one time that my "promises" are always kept, so I couldn't expect it outta anyone else...
kirke420 5 months ago
@kirke420 maybe they are kept because you don't expect anything in return...?
Minan3 5 months ago
That's okay.
It probably won't be the last thing you discover for yourself, either.
Let's put it this way....I believed in the moon landings until I was 44. It occurred to me spontaneously as I layed on my couch, as my mind drifted around random things....then it hit me.
"We went to, ....the MOON??" Now I understand why my father use to shake his head and laugh at it so much back in the 1970's
BrightStaroftheDawn 5 months ago
@BrightStaroftheDawn Did you know that the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter took pictures of the Apollo 17 landing site last week? :)
kirke420 5 months ago
@kirke420
I don't keep up with it anymore. But I will check it out.
I'll tell you what might impress me , though......pictures of the flags that were supposedly left there from 1969 . I have a real hard time believing the whole thing.
BrightStaroftheDawn 5 months ago
@BrightStaroftheDawn Although I definitely don't share your doubt, I do have to admit that I have no proof of the moon landings other than pictures & film (which can be faked or doctored) and what I am told or can read.
There was a time when I may have ridiculed your disbelief, but as I get older, and especially considering the content of this video, I am gonna withhold my judgement. :P
kirke420 5 months ago
@kirke420
Goody for me.
lol
BrightStaroftheDawn 5 months ago
@BrightStaroftheDawn I'm glad you took that the right way. :)
kirke420 5 months ago
My grandmother told me that thunder was made by god. I then figured that he was moving all his big heavy furnature around up in heaven. Big oak chests of drawers on castors full of scrolls and other records. One lie logicaly leads you to the next one even though you are only 5 years old.
GrumpSkull 5 months ago
@GrumpSkull I believed in Santa til I was 10 or 11 because my parents had me so convinced that they didn't make enough money to buy all those presents! :P Keep in mind that I stopped believing in god by 8-9. lol
kirke420 5 months ago
They tell heaps of lies. I live in Australia and was taught that Captain Cook discovered Australia. No he didn't, he didn't even fully claim that himself. He was like the British Empire's pop star of discovery at the time and it was all fabricated. The Portuguese, Spanish, French and Dutch explorers who were sailing around our shoreline hundreds of years before James Cook ventured this way, He often used his predecessor’s charts to help plot his own version.
GrumpSkull 5 months ago
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GrumpSkull 5 months ago
Fortunately for us, Rick Perry, Scott Walker, Rick Scott, and Michele Bachmann feel your pain and want to privatize education in both the K-12 grades and higher education in the University System. They will bring back truth in information, and end this liberal conspiracy to dumb down our young people, and make them more competitive in a global marketplace. I'm sorry that you and I had to take one for the team, but the ends justifies the means, right? Vote GOP and save our schools! ;-) (satire)
ChunxOfEarth 5 months ago
@ChunxOfEarth Trump / Palin '12 :P
kirke420 5 months ago
It was about states rights! Lol, I was edamacated in the south too. :)
twolf422 5 months ago
@twolf422 Yes, I know. :)
kirke420 5 months ago
I had some awesome history teachers. I learned about a complex series of reasons for the civil war a small part of which was slavery. I was in an A track class (which was clearly a mistake!). The other classes just simplified it by saying it was about slavery or Lincoln said it was about slavery or like that. Dumbing down history is always a bad idea in a long run.
prodigyat9 5 months ago
@prodigyat9 There was some dumbing down.. but in the case of the cotton gin, they told us exactly the OPPOSITE of what was true... Unfortunately, my good history teacher taught world history, not US...
kirke420 5 months ago
wow, right on man.
gothatfunk 5 months ago
@gothatfunk I is smart now! :)
kirke420 5 months ago
Nice one Kirke - two of the most politically loaded academic fields are science and history. Science is easier to test because it's based on current evidence, but history is not safe in the hands of politically biased historians.
Squagnut 5 months ago
@Squagnut I wonder if ANY history is objective.. even in the best of times...
kirke420 5 months ago
@kirke420 When I was very young I read an account of the change from the Julian Calendar to the Gregorian in 1582, a change which cut over ten days from the calendar. The account depicted poor people rioting about the change, saying they were stupid because they thought they'd somehow magically lost all that time.
I later learned the riots actually happened because their landlords were demanding a full month's rent for October 1582.
Squagnut 5 months ago
@Squagnut That does make a hell of a lot more sense!
kirke420 5 months ago
ehm other Europeans did discover America before Columbus. Vikings are kinda from Europe you know. Columbus was the first Christian to discover America.
atomicnumber86 5 months ago 3
@atomicnumber86 You know... Before I even posted the vid, I knew someone would point that out... Congrats, you win the prize...
However, I can still be right: The Vikings discovered America for the vikings, Columbus discovered America for the rest of Europe...
kirke420 5 months ago
@kirke420 Well here is my counter argument: Fuck you :P What is the prize? (please let it be free mocking of DPR or Danny)
atomicnumber86 5 months ago
@atomicnumber86 Yes, freely mock them all you wish. :)
kirke420 5 months ago
Don't feel too bad, Kirke. It took me 40 years to figure out that god was a lie.
debbieomi 5 months ago
@debbieomi Well, I was on top of that one... believed in the tooth fairy (there was evidence) longer than I believed in God..
kirke420 5 months ago
No my friend the point of the video is EXACTLY that it highlights the level of just how bad the education in the US truly is.
You have learned the truth and thats great, but just consider the many millions more that dont learn the truth about the real world, or worse, they learn the truth but yet dismiss it so easily.
The next horrible thought, is just whats next? What else have you learned that is a lie?
FatRakoon 5 months ago
@FatRakoon
And yet with your superior education you still do not know how to post your comment as a response to the correct individual.
prodigyat9 5 months ago
@prodigyat9
It was a response to the video itself you tool when kirke himself stated that he did not know why he posted the video.
Im sorry if you failed to see that, but then thats another "Point" to the video.
But of course I am glad that you have noticed my "Superior Education". Its clearly superior to yours.
FatRakoon 5 months ago
@FatRakoon
Thanks for helping kirke out and I am glad you figured out the point to _my_ post as you admit to kirke that there are problems in the UK also. Don't worry, I understand you people are raised to be arrogant, I wont hold it against you (much).
prodigyat9 5 months ago
@prodigyat9
What the hell are you talking about? You said I posted to the wrong person, I did no such thing.
then you said about my superrior education, and now you are saying that I figured out your post...
You are either talking gibberish or you are trolling me. Which one? Explain yourself or dont post because you are now only trolling from what I can see.
FatRakoon 5 months ago
@FatRakoon Damn American schools.. next I'll find out that 2 + 2 =/= 5! :P
kirke420 5 months ago
@kirke420
LOL but then there are a fair number in the UK that are failing to provide true education too! - the number is growng too!
For example the number of muslim schools in the UK that are failing to provide normal education is growing, some have started to get criticism about them deliberately failing to remove non-muslim hatred from the textbooks. This alone promotes intolerance towards non muslims. and only proves the bigottry they have. Its no different to xtians in the Us
FatRakoon 5 months ago
I know what your point is, I think. When you find out something like this you have the nagging though in you head: What else was a lie? Do I have to fact check everything I've ever been told? That can upset a body!
DaithiDublin 5 months ago
@DaithiDublin When I was a kid I 'somehow' got the idea in my head that if I didn't eat all my dinner I was making African babies go hungry! *blush* A confusion of mixed messages from Catholic missionaries I suppose.
To this day, I eat every scrap out of a snack box, but that may be because I'm a hungry bastard :-D
nickmacky 5 months ago
@nickmacky I can remember eating some wild berries from a tree in my neighbourhood as a kid and being told by some other kids that they were poisonous, but that the poison took 5 years to kill you. I was terrified for a week! I caught my mother lying to me when I accidentally discovered that I did not choke to death when I swallowed chewing gum! But what you learn in school, you tend to accept as true. Which is my beef with Catholic schools here.
DaithiDublin 5 months ago
@DaithiDublin I am convinced that it was the lies that people tell children that drove me to atheism at a young age (by 8-9).
kirke420 5 months ago
@DaithiDublin
You dont choke when you swallow gum? Damn you mother!!!! LOL
FatRakoon 5 months ago
@nickmacky Haha.. when I was about 5-6, a bear came on TV and said that only *I* could prevent forest fires... Even as a kid I thought that that responsibility was too much for a 5 year old... :P
kirke420 5 months ago
@DaithiDublin Yeah, you nailed it.. that was exactly how I felt...
kirke420 5 months ago
When I moved from Boston to North Carolina, I gradually realized the difference in what they taught us VS what they taught you. One day my boss made me watch Gone With The Wind, and told me "this is why we still hate the north". I bet the truth is that both sides were lied to, and were used as puppets for bankers and business / land owners ...
same as we are today.
onlywhenprovoked 5 months ago
@onlywhenprovoked
Oddly enough that is just about what I was taught. I was told slavery was a great excuse and was indeed part of what was in Lincoln's head and the others but there were other more important "reasons" and not surprisingly they had to do with money and power.
prodigyat9 5 months ago
@prodigyat9 We were taught half-truths, that the Civil War was about politics and economics and had nothing to do with slavery. Today I realize that the civil war was about the politics of slavery and the economics of slavery... no, the common soldier in the south did not think that he was fighting for slavery... but how many soldiers in Iraq or Afghanistan think that they are fighting for oil? Would you risk your life for cheaper oil or cotton? No, people risk their lives for "freedom."
kirke420 5 months ago
@kirke420
Yeah, factory owners in the north were pissed that they had to actually PAY workers. When in doubt, follow the dollar!
prodigyat9 5 months ago
@onlywhenprovoked Ain't that the sad fucking truth!
kirke420 5 months ago
You hate the south? And to think I've been holding in all my southern jokes.
PJsCreed 5 months ago
@PJsCreed What is the difference between a tornado and a redneck divorce?
Nothing, either way, someone is losing a trailer. :P
kirke420 5 months ago
Propaganda....nothing but propaganda!
By the way you tube is fucking up again ....i have been subbed to you for ages and i always get your videos in my inbox ...exept this time.....i found your video by chance! Fucking you tube lol
verodefacto 5 months ago
@verodefacto You commented in the first 30 minutes, so you mighta just discovered it before it showed up in your box. Or, maybe youtube sucks.. maybe both. :P
kirke420 5 months ago
They told me that i didn't have to worry if i couldn't afford college because we would always have steel mills in our back yard.
gamutman 5 months ago 5
@gamutman I shouldn't be laughing at this, but I did... sorry. :)
kirke420 5 months ago
@gamutman Shit well my plans fucked.
neversurdender 5 months ago