I am a Christian and I wouldn't sit there and pray for God to have an ... idk eagle pick me up. I'd pray for God to give me strength to climb out. I'd pray for him to keep me motivated. Hell I still want to live!
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I think people are giving this part of the film too much credit to atheism. All he said in the film was that he wasn't going to pray to God in the moment of facing death because he didn't believe in Him...either way, whether he believed or not, he was going to try and get out. No one said that if you believe in a God you'll wait down there and do nothing like a dumbass for God to literally reach his "hand" out to save you...you try and get out! His will to live saved him, not his atheism.
U missed the point about atheism , no atheist depend on atheism to save them from anything at all .. atheism is just a person's stance that no present religion can truely prove the existence of god. Its a jus response to the religious babbles spouted by Christians etc ..
SO, here I think it is quite clear that what we can gather from this video is that survivors of catastrophies who prayed to god MAY just as well have survived even without praying, like he does ..
havnt any of you thought that perhaps joe's ability to escape death was maybe an act of god in itself. joe rejecting to turn to religion is perhaps what triggered god to intervene by giving him the determination and commitment to get back to the campsite.
@marshallbx5a Stop trying to convert people you total fucking retard
I'll believe what I like and fuck you for all of your comments, nobody gives a shit at all, you arent changing peoples minds. god doesnt exist, he's a perfect method of indoctrination and you're letting yourself get drawn in so fuck off and leave the sane people alone.
@marshallbx5a True human spirit is what Joe Simpson has in spades and as you can see, god doesn't factor into his life in any way. Stop being so arrogant about your beliefs.
If you are going to attempt a tough clime like this, 1) be sure you lack a belief in the supernatural so you don't lose site of the reality of your situation and 2) have a thorough knowledge of the complete works of Boney M.
"his atheistic values gave him purpose" Actually.. I just watched this film and he said he wasn't sure why he kept on, except for maybe the fact that he didn't want to die alone. He was fearful and that is why he kept on... that and because he seems like a tough, arrogant bastard. Are those good qualities? mostly no, but in this situation it seemed to really help. Great feat by this man, but the almost proud pro-atheistic spin is off base.
I believe the only way to truly, 100% discover if you are an atheist is to go through something tough (not necessarily this extreme) on your own. If you don't start praying for help, you'll never believe in God.
I'm a christian, and I think that when God helps you, in any situation (from exams to being stuck, alone in a crevasse), he doesn't give you the power to fly, or to survive for weeks without food, I think he gives you the motivation and the will to get yourself out of a situation. Sometimes, you may not even know he helps you, especially if your mind is occupied by the problems facing you. In a situation like Joe's, it would have taken a lot of human will to sort it out, and get out of it.
No where in the video does Joe Simpson say his atheism got him out of the situation. In fact @ 7:42 he says "Jesus this is big"... LOL Quite ironic in my book Joe!
I think he couldve gotten out with Gods help and wouldnt have gone crazy. Will he have sprout angels wings a flew out? no. But at least he wouldnt have gone crazy and been all by himself. You have no idea how scary it is being all alone. With Jesus you have someone to lean on. A hope. Catholic is a false RELIGION. Religion is unreal. Jesus (MY OPINION) is real. Catholic holy water and stuff is a joke. I don't care what you say, God had his hand on this guy.
@bodrie4 if you belive in god, then you cant belive in dinosaurs! as god only made the world a few 1000 years ago:P. read a real book! people need to grow up and stop thinking like cave men!!!
@snowyywwinters I don't necessarily believe in god, but saying you can't believe in him and dinosaurs both is silly. believing in god isn't narrowly confined to christianity only.
@snowyywwinters Not true. Radioncarbon dating shows the earth is millions of years old. I am studying Ancient History and Archaeology at university and had to study evolution of man, i believe in evolution but i still wonder whether i believe in god or not. Secondly, many scientists who believe in evolution believe in God. They may not believe in the Bible, but they can still believe in God. I recommend the book Fairweather Eden, showing how man's evolution was discovered
@snowyywwinters let me get my point across as effectively as my uneducated self can. In the bible, in the old testament there are multiple instances of dragons being used & you hear dragons in cultures through time so whos to say they havent lived w/ humans? Dinosaurs were discovered in the 1800sNow scientists say they date all these dinosaurs Millions of years ago. Oh yeah? by using what How can you date these bones out of the ground that far back What do you use that you know is that old?
@bodrie4 sorry if im rude, but its not for me to tell you how things happen, thats for religious people to explain! and its also for the scientist to explain! a scientist can tell you or you could LOOK UP FOR YOURSELF, then you can find out how the world came to be! or you can belive some book with no facts AT ALL, backing up what they say! religion has no facts and doesnt seem to care! all religion says is, you dont know so we must be right! scientist will say we dont know YET!
@snowyywwinters I HAVE looked it up for my self and all the scientists have THEORIES. How would they know what happened that long ago? If you read how many things scientists have guessed at how things have been made theres thousands no exaggeration. Theres no facts in that and they have never proved thats how it came to be. Just Theories. If you actually read the bible and put it to its context in history it makes perfect sense. Id rather believe a thousand yr old + book than a"smart" dude=D
"NO FACTS????" ....I'd research a little more myself. Try to plan a trip to jerusalem some time in your life and see if biblical sites aren't clearly mentioned and seen there. The bible says jesus died at golgotha. Historians tell us that romans crucified criminals at golgotha. That is at least one fact for you.
@bodrie4 science is working and looking to find out new things about the world! and you can change a scientist mind with facts! u cant change the mind as a believer, and keep your faith! religion makes out they know! when they are almost always wrong! after all you dont belive the world is still flat do you?
Well they still haven't found the body of Jesus over 2,000 years. So their faith remains. If i was a skeptic at that time, and heard how people thought jesus was the Christ; after he was "risen from the grave" i would've searched every knook and corner and cranny of every place my feet and donkey would take me until i died to try to find the body of jesus so i could disprove the scriptures. No one has found his body to date, thats why believers faith remains over 2,000 years.
@bodrie4 carbon dating! also the soil that dinosaurs are buried in can be dated certain layers are known to be formed pre/post ice age........so yeah humans DEFINATELY havent EVER lived side by side with dinosaurs/dragons.
@robswift008 But do they know 100 percent garantee no buts ands or doubts about it that carbon dating is accurate? Based of of what? You see what I BELIEVE is on a Faith..and it fits logically...but everyone seems to be trying to find out exactly what happened and there are literally thousands of explanations scientists have came up with..so how can you say that scientific reasoning/testing etc is is definite? Anyways thats what I believe and I cant really impress my belief on you.
@bodrie4 yes 100% they know how long it takes a carbon atom to breakdown so by looking at the amount the atom has broken down gives a nearly exact date........but moreso soil layer samples can be dated very accurately.when the layer is dense they know it is forest period and when there is sand they know it was flooded under water,so yes its based on FACT,i dont know who or what created the world but i know that man never walked with dinosaurs.
Even if he didn't believe. I think it's quite hard not to be even blown away by nature in it's purest and immense form that it might be so humbling. In a position of life and death you might even be more humble and all sorts of thoughts of this bigger scheme might pop in your brain. I guess some people can be so calm and cool even on the verge of death.
It's a little misleading to say "atheistic values". Atheism is only a thing in the face of a religious environment. I hope it's a temporary label; one that we can shed once religion evaporates.
I do agree though, that Joe may not have done what he did if he was religious.
But I disagree with the theory that was his atheism that makes him keep moving. I'm pretty sure that no matter if he was atheist or if was the Pope of Rome, when you are in the mountain you only depend of yourself to put your ass safe.
Its a brillant exemple of the spirit of superation that push men to climb a mountain.
i dont really think that moral of this film is that atheism will save your life at all though ... its more about courage, determination and a struggle for survival.
Is he a buddist? All the film was like journey of Lama Ole Nydahl. I was shocked. He talk about empitness a lot, about killing himself, he talk about Ego, when Ego disappear. Sorry for my English, I am from Poland. For me it is the best film about great jogin like Milarepa or Marpa but in our times. i think he is a person upper all religions, the one who talk to everyone in his language. He is loved by buddist, atheist, hindu, christians, it is amazing. 108 stars :)
Well some religious people pray for supernatural intervention such as a god getting them out of dire circumstances, but what Atheism means that you don't think help is coming from gods. What Joe is saying is that he wasn't going to wait for the christian god to save him but that he was going to save himself.
This movie shows the wildness of the mountains really well. I know them as a skier. What has Joe Simpson's personal drive to live got to do with his atheism? A lot of atheists as well as a lot of Christians would have given up the ghost. Do Joe's balls just make atheists feel better? Personally I know that Jesus is Saviour. Plenty of people believe in the supernatural but refuse to look into Jesus. Why is that?
Because if you believe in supernatural things like god or gods it might mean that you think these supernatural beings will intervene, suspend the laws of nature, and save you.
Atheism means you are alone and you have to rely on yourself, that there's no reason to believe there is an afterlife, so it can motivate you.
This video is validating for me, because so many times I have heard Christians say "oh, when an Atheist is faced with death, they suddenly believe...", like the saying "there's no atheists in foxholes". But personally I've been on the brink of death a few times, & just like Joe's words in this video, the thought of God or praying never occurred to me once. When I've told this to Christians, I don't think they can grasp this concept.
I love this movie, but I don't think Joe Simpson's drive had anything at all to do with atheism. And if it did, that's fine, but I don't think that it's what we should focus on. The fact that he had the drive is what is impressive. I don't care if he got it from buddhism or christianity or aetheism. What's important important is that he found purpose and meaning from somewhere
in fact a belief in a "god" might have preventing him from going on. Instead of believing in a fery land after life and thinking everything would be ok, he faced facts and persevered.
The belief of god should not deter somebody from the preservation of their lives. God gave us life to be meaningful. We should treat it as sacred and also we should respect that gift and seek to defend it.
Don't be ridiculous. I am an atheist, but it is impossible to be motivated by atheism to do anything (even to campaign against religion, which is motivated by an hatred of religion, rather than by atheism). Given that so many religious people claim as credit to their religion what is in fact credit to the individuals concerned (Martin Luther King, Michelangelo, Bach etc.), I feel obliged to apply the same response to those who hold my views.
I think in terms of motivation, yeah, you're not going to be able to use Atheism in a hell of a lot of cases.
But if you're faced with death and you're thinking I'm going to die and that's it, you'd be terrified. Trying to comprehend that you would no longer exist and no one wants that.
Which is then why you have to push yourself as far as you can go, because if living is all there is, then you're going to want to live.
Hmm, if he was religious, obviously other religious people would say this 'miraculous' escape is proof of God's love or mercy, or something. How then do they account for this escape if Joe's an atheist?
Of course, we atheists know how to account for it all:
I think "you atheists" have a misconception of what "God" really means.
The climber gives a good example at 3:35 "...I always wondered if things really hit the fan whether under pressure if i would say a few hail mary's to get me out of here..."
Apparently your conception of an "almighty being" is something that bails you out whenever you get into trouble, if that is the case, i can plainly see why your philosophy leads you to atheism.
No, I think God doesn't exist. Saying that I think He 'bails you out' is not only a lie but also sily: how can something that doesn't exist bail you out of anything? I'm saying that the religious often use 'miraculous' escapes like this as proof of God and his mercy. And should some kind of God-like supreme being actually exist, then I think it's most likely that he wouldn't bother to rescue anyone, religious or not.
I'm not atheist, but I also don't buy into religious qualificactions of God; as a "somoeone" or "something" that saves or condemns, punishes or rewards, who has mercy and who judges. I think that conception of God is rotten. It's a gross misconception. It's not about faith or belief. It's about gnosis.
Careful - your "gnosis", your knowing God could very well be just as much of a ridiculous idea as their belief in a caring, personal God. Even if God exists, what makes you think you could possibly know It in any way?
I understand your point, and your logic is sold. But from my perspective it's still absurd. Example: think of the first time you kissed a girl (or guy). Now what if I said that your experience was nothing but a ridiculous idea and didn't happen. You'd just laugh. The thing is that most ppl's relationship with God is based on belief and ideas, which isn't too far off from fantasy. There are many tho for whom things are different. And yes, I cannot know God as I know math or as I know my wife.
a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
There you go buddy. Telling me I need a dictionary when your dumb ass doesn't even know the definition. Now how your dimwitted mind can tie lack of belief in gods into that who the fuck knows. Now fuck off.
Ah I see...so the disbelief in unicorns and elves is a religion as well? Because I lack belief in those? Oh and lepercahns to, wow I guess I'm part of a lot of religions.
What exactly about atheism, though. No belief in god, but that is about it. I'm sure there is a lot in common between us humans.
I think a healthy respect for nature was why he was so happy at the bright sunny day, regardless of who or what created it. Religion or atheism was irrelevant. It was all about taking the opportunity out that happened to have created and having the courage to do so.
exactly man atheism isisnt a religion, clearly your a moron if you think atheism is, its the idea of not believeing in god, religions all have a god, atheism is an anti religion... idiots say its a religion. doesent make sense..
wow some debate. I dont believe in god but sometimes you have to ask yourself where does the strength come from? To me its simple (most of the time!) If you live a tough life and put yourself in crazy situations you will get stronger mentally its the nature of the beast. Sometimes you have to dig deeper than before, it what comes before that creates the now I believe anyway but then there's luck whole different game that. No proof either way but there is no god like in bible he would be betta
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atheism is nothing, no laws no doctrines, nothing...
religion is something that is established and had laws... atheist are concentrating on science.. there is no such thing as ATHEISM SCIENCE..
atheist concentrating on logic .. atheist has no logic, they are just nothing.. there is no atheist if there is no religion.. but religion will still exist without atheist
To think God will save you-stupidity, take out a razor and slit your own wrists, god aint gonna save you, Use human ingenuity, less of a fail rate than religion
if people are going to impose laws regarding such beliefs, or try to have them taught to others in public forums such as schools, then they've crossed a line from being non-harmful individuals belief to being a threat. When those comforting beliefs are used to change public opinion of issues such as homosexuality, international religions, or even scientific understanding it is a threat to rational people.
Belief is fine, so long as it's understood we live in the real world.
Well, every magical claim that has ever been made by a human has either: proven to be a fraud; shown by later knowledge to have been explainable; or has remained unprovable. Given then huge volume of previously magical claims that have actually been explained (earthquakes, lightning, sunrise, germs, atoms, etc). Reliance upon belief declines with every new discovery. God is merely the god of the gaps in our knowledge. We are not guessing - we are progressing.
as painful as this must have been for joe.. this is probably the greatest reward man could ever experience... some people learn this as they grow naturally, and some people like joe learn it the hard way. some people never find out at all and die unjustified. i'm just talking about life and living in general. its not about god or science right now. its about knowledge.
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It's funny that people's conscience starts speaking in their most desperate moments, even if they don't believe. One thing you don't want to do when you're in trouble is too curse God but ask him for help. Many miracoulsy happenings took place were people stranded in deserted places, started praying and have been found, sometimes after weeks. And no it's no luck.
That is precisely correct: "If a person does not believe he exists, then subjectively he doesn't, regardless of the actuality." This is what faith is: and this is why you get so many different religions. People choose religion-- not vice-versa-- based on what appeals to them. Occam's Razor is misused: it means that the simplest theory is the most plausible. As for what you thought it meant, physical things cannot be disputed. You assume god exists, but where's the evidence?
What do you know about God, sbevereid? I doubt he speaks to you. I doubt that you've observed miraculous healings. How can such an omnipresent being escape our daily lives? He can only be experienced through inference or faith. What happened to direct communication.
What? That last statement is illogical. If it wasn't impossible, then why did you bring it up? Why does it matter in this forum? You're clearly in la-la-land.
What the hell are you talking about? Have you every read a book? Writers often start sentences that way in the interest of style. Don't try teach me 1st grade grammar, when you don't even know that. By the way, I love Star Wars. But I know that's fantasy--that's the difference between you and me.
I watched the whole thing, and I think that the "atheistic values gave him purpose to survive" description is a tad heavy handed. He didn't believe in God, and used his skills to rescue himself. Period. I fail to see how "atheistic values gave him purpose." He has an in-born survival instinct, as all of us do, faithful or not. If anything, atheism is a thief of purpose, as you know your destiny is nothing more than to cease to exist. No legacy changes that. Purpose is the by-product of faith.
"as you know your destiny is nothing more than to cease to exist."
Atheists aren't pessimistic about this. They claim it is a universal phenomena, applying to all human beings; therefore, it is for human beings to cope with it. It promotes a more carpe diem approach to life, since it will have an abrupt and permanent end one day.
His friend didn't believe he was alive, yet he was... Therefore, logic states, just because you believe one way or the other, doesn't change reality. Black is black and white is white. Just because you believe black is white or vice versa, doesn't change the reality that black is black and white is white. God saves your arse, just because you don't believe it or in God, reality is what it always has been. When you stand in front of God. God will ask you, didn't you see all the billboard signs?
yeah.well what wudve your god said if he'd died huh joe was a survivor the reason thia is so amazain is because joe survived .ur god apparently loves us all rite than y save only one person...why were his bull-board signs out fr only one guy why do so many ppl die atheists are atheists on a lot of occasions coz they cant take the death destruction poverty and loss which apparent your god is not doing a good job of keeping away quite frankly i think your god doesnt give a shit..!
dont get me wrong.. i like relegious people ..almost all my friends are relegious....infact im an indian so almost every one here is freakin relegious...BUT PLEASE DONT FORCE UR BELEIFS ON TO OTHERS...if someones an atheist let him be...
I'll be short and sweet. The fall should have killed him. The odds that he survived the fall are EXTREMELY lower than the happen chance there is no God, and the universe is an accident. So, that which is, IS. The way you or I believe bears no change to reality. Don't go blaming God for the actions of man, man makes his own bed, and much pain is the result of man walking away from God. If there is no God, why waste another second on this third stone from the sun?
god or no god i love my life...nice story by the end of the day...know im gonna be climbin peaks soon..helps to know tht some one survived this...peace out..
ID (intelligent design)is clearly present. Just because you don't see the beauty of the design, doesn't negate that beauty. Who or what "God" is, is the open question. That's it. Nothing is happenstance in its existence. The belief that what you see came without direction from anything goes against Occam's razor. Black is Black. You can call it whatever, it is still black. The only thing that changes is your perception of that said reality. It is easier to believe in nothing, then something.
There is beauty in science. People that don't see that usually do not have an understanding of science. I also feel that it is a lot more easier (and convenient) to believe in what your parents told you to believe than questioning things. That doesn't mean that you do not believe in anything. You are just using your own head instead of following a doctrine.
How is there proof? I know there is no man up in space issuing orders. And I've never seen heaven or hell, nor have I EVER seen a dead man resurrected.
get out of here with your preaching. this guy survived because of his training as a mountain climber. There are a million situations where you could say god stepped in but the reality is... people are responsible for their own actions.
I haven't preached to anyone. I have stated the logical facts, and you're right, people ARE responsible for their own actions, and you will learn this first hand, that I'm willing to place money down on in Vegas.
If he believed in God, he probably would have prayed and waited praying until the cold embraced him with death. But since he's an Atheist, he knew to get his ass the fuck out! Good job mate!
Atheist or religious, the will to survive is a strong one, for whatever reason. A dog will chew off its own foot to escape a trap, and I'm almost positive (but not totally) he wouldnt know the difference between the two.
And BTW...just a tip for you new climbers: This whole situation may have been avoided (provided you have enough rope) by the following: HAVE TWO BELAY DEVICES ATTACHED TO YOUR HARNESS. When you come to the knot, simply clip the second belay device onto the upper section of rope past the knot, then release the first. It may save your life. Cheers.
It wouldn't have prevented Joe from going over the edge, BUT, provided Simon had enough rope, he could have continued lowering Joe to a point where A: Joe may have been able to reach the side of the ice fall, B: Joe could have made it all the way to the bottom, or C: Joe may have at least been able to reach a point where he was only 10-15 feet from the bottom and didn't have to fall as far.
Everytime i watch t.t.v. i can't begin to comprehend what Joe accomplished by sheer force of will. The horror of the crevasse and the guts it took to climb down the unknotted rope not knowing if it would reach the bottom. I have total admiration for him.
This is a two-sided argument. If a theist had been left in that hole, he likely would have prayed his way out of there. God would have sent him toward the bottom of the crevasse to find it. The atheist did it because he wanted to live. Again, both sides are right.
If a theist was there he would have prayed to God to get him out and save him and he would've died praying while looking forward to going to a mythical magic land called Heaven.
You label yourself as atheist, i label myself HUMAN. You should do the same in the name of humanity, there is no real proof from both sides of the blade. To dismiss what you do not now with absolute certainty, facts and evidence is foolish to say the least.(and unscientific)
WOW ARE YOU RETARDED? You wouldn't actually label yourself as a human idiot, you would be considered an agnostic, which in other words means you don't believe in gods, but you don't believe there is not a possibility that one may exist... There is no god, when you die, there is no sanctuary brought on by faith... that's it, as much as I hate to say it, I'm not lie-ing so a church can get money...
Type these words in Google: "The Jacobins" or "Jacobin club". Or just here on youtube, and look for at "The atheist problem" to see just how ludicrous the atheist view is. 20 million killed in the name of reason. So hey a soceity of reason without God, or a total religious society would both be flawed society's.
I see you fail to see the difference between atheism and Communism, Facism and other docmatic systems. Don't worry, you're not the only religious person to do this. Hopefully you'll be smart enough to look into it.
Second, godless societies does exist; Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Finland, Iceland, Switzerland and Japan are a few exampels.
4 "forces" are gravity, electromagnetism, strong and weak nuclear. These forces act on matter (kinetic energy) which is basically liquid, solid, gas or plasma.
So matter exists because energy exists.
It's a convenient little tautology that we must accept..that's right..on faith!!
Why do you self proclaimed atheists or self-proclaimed non-believers in God always have to equate your rejection of the religions you were raised in as "atheism" or "disbelief in God" RATHER THAN your own personal development and evolve self-reliant concept of God?
Atheists dont 'always' equate the rejection of established religion with that of the rejection of any possibility of god. I suppose it helps to strawman your opponents position to make a point.
Good question. I actually only get to point out atheism when someone insists we invoke god into something. Unfortunately religion is a hot button issue and so many people try to bring religion into school and gov't that we can't just ignore it.
Many people never really explain the kind of God they refuse to believe in before they give themselves the title "atheist". The word "God" is subjective. It's not a "strawman" it's just a question I'm posing.
I am a Christian and I wouldn't sit there and pray for God to have an ... idk eagle pick me up. I'd pray for God to give me strength to climb out. I'd pray for him to keep me motivated. Hell I still want to live!
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JezusSlave 1 month ago
God doesn't exist and atheism didn't save Joe Simpsons from death.
Both sides need to grow up.
ukulazy 2 months ago
lol .. atheism -__-
XxELiTEHOOPERxX 5 months ago
I think people are giving this part of the film too much credit to atheism. All he said in the film was that he wasn't going to pray to God in the moment of facing death because he didn't believe in Him...either way, whether he believed or not, he was going to try and get out. No one said that if you believe in a God you'll wait down there and do nothing like a dumbass for God to literally reach his "hand" out to save you...you try and get out! His will to live saved him, not his atheism.
NocturnalExistence 9 months ago 4
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U missed the point about atheism , no atheist depend on atheism to save them from anything at all .. atheism is just a person's stance that no present religion can truely prove the existence of god. Its a jus response to the religious babbles spouted by Christians etc ..
SO, here I think it is quite clear that what we can gather from this video is that survivors of catastrophies who prayed to god MAY just as well have survived even without praying, like he does ..
kkdkk7 8 months ago
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This part of the video is more a discredit to those who claim that god saved them from catastrophies ..
kkdkk7 8 months ago
havnt any of you thought that perhaps joe's ability to escape death was maybe an act of god in itself. joe rejecting to turn to religion is perhaps what triggered god to intervene by giving him the determination and commitment to get back to the campsite.
FutureArchitect1 10 months ago
You dont need god when you have true human spirit.
VeneratorDeorum 11 months ago 5
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You wouldn't have true human spirit without God
marshallbx5a 10 months ago
@marshallbx5a Stop trying to convert people you total fucking retard
I'll believe what I like and fuck you for all of your comments, nobody gives a shit at all, you arent changing peoples minds. god doesnt exist, he's a perfect method of indoctrination and you're letting yourself get drawn in so fuck off and leave the sane people alone.
MrGrimm808 10 months ago
@marshallbx5a True human spirit is what Joe Simpson has in spades and as you can see, god doesn't factor into his life in any way. Stop being so arrogant about your beliefs.
arbeghast 9 months ago
@marshallbx5a true human spirit has nothing to do with god.. You only need to be human to attain human spirit.
sirus804 3 months ago
This film taught me a couple of things:
If you are going to attempt a tough clime like this, 1) be sure you lack a belief in the supernatural so you don't lose site of the reality of your situation and 2) have a thorough knowledge of the complete works of Boney M.
kidigus 1 year ago
"his atheistic values gave him purpose" Actually.. I just watched this film and he said he wasn't sure why he kept on, except for maybe the fact that he didn't want to die alone. He was fearful and that is why he kept on... that and because he seems like a tough, arrogant bastard. Are those good qualities? mostly no, but in this situation it seemed to really help. Great feat by this man, but the almost proud pro-atheistic spin is off base.
conservatory 1 year ago
I believe the only way to truly, 100% discover if you are an atheist is to go through something tough (not necessarily this extreme) on your own. If you don't start praying for help, you'll never believe in God.
curlzferrero 1 year ago
I'm a christian, and I think that when God helps you, in any situation (from exams to being stuck, alone in a crevasse), he doesn't give you the power to fly, or to survive for weeks without food, I think he gives you the motivation and the will to get yourself out of a situation. Sometimes, you may not even know he helps you, especially if your mind is occupied by the problems facing you. In a situation like Joe's, it would have taken a lot of human will to sort it out, and get out of it.
fizz2482 1 year ago 2
@fizz2482 god only lives in peoples minds, so its always your own will power making you do things!
snowyywwinters 1 year ago
You can now follow Joe on Twitter, (TouchingTheVoid).
ParliamentSpeakers 1 year ago
No where in the video does Joe Simpson say his atheism got him out of the situation. In fact @ 7:42 he says "Jesus this is big"... LOL Quite ironic in my book Joe!
halfie25 1 year ago
This is kind of like Bush praying for the victims of Katrina. He felt no sense of urgency because he thought Jesus was going to take care of it.
gupsphoo 1 year ago
I think he couldve gotten out with Gods help and wouldnt have gone crazy. Will he have sprout angels wings a flew out? no. But at least he wouldnt have gone crazy and been all by himself. You have no idea how scary it is being all alone. With Jesus you have someone to lean on. A hope. Catholic is a false RELIGION. Religion is unreal. Jesus (MY OPINION) is real. Catholic holy water and stuff is a joke. I don't care what you say, God had his hand on this guy.
bodrie4 1 year ago
@bodrie4 if you belive in god, then you cant belive in dinosaurs! as god only made the world a few 1000 years ago:P. read a real book! people need to grow up and stop thinking like cave men!!!
snowyywwinters 1 year ago
@snowyywwinters I don't necessarily believe in god, but saying you can't believe in him and dinosaurs both is silly. believing in god isn't narrowly confined to christianity only.
amgx9 1 year ago
@snowyywwinters Not true. Radioncarbon dating shows the earth is millions of years old. I am studying Ancient History and Archaeology at university and had to study evolution of man, i believe in evolution but i still wonder whether i believe in god or not. Secondly, many scientists who believe in evolution believe in God. They may not believe in the Bible, but they can still believe in God. I recommend the book Fairweather Eden, showing how man's evolution was discovered
curlzferrero 1 year ago
@curlzferrero evolution is not something for you to believe in. it is a fact!
snowyywwinters 1 year ago
@snowyywwinters let me get my point across as effectively as my uneducated self can. In the bible, in the old testament there are multiple instances of dragons being used & you hear dragons in cultures through time so whos to say they havent lived w/ humans? Dinosaurs were discovered in the 1800sNow scientists say they date all these dinosaurs Millions of years ago. Oh yeah? by using what How can you date these bones out of the ground that far back What do you use that you know is that old?
bodrie4 1 year ago
@bodrie4 sorry if im rude, but its not for me to tell you how things happen, thats for religious people to explain! and its also for the scientist to explain! a scientist can tell you or you could LOOK UP FOR YOURSELF, then you can find out how the world came to be! or you can belive some book with no facts AT ALL, backing up what they say! religion has no facts and doesnt seem to care! all religion says is, you dont know so we must be right! scientist will say we dont know YET!
snowyywwinters 1 year ago
@snowyywwinters I HAVE looked it up for my self and all the scientists have THEORIES. How would they know what happened that long ago? If you read how many things scientists have guessed at how things have been made theres thousands no exaggeration. Theres no facts in that and they have never proved thats how it came to be. Just Theories. If you actually read the bible and put it to its context in history it makes perfect sense. Id rather believe a thousand yr old + book than a"smart" dude=D
bodrie4 1 year ago
@bodrie4 from what you say its clear you havent looked up anything and never will! dont forget to look both ways when crossing the street!
snowyywwinters 1 year ago
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@snowyywwinters
"NO FACTS????" ....I'd research a little more myself. Try to plan a trip to jerusalem some time in your life and see if biblical sites aren't clearly mentioned and seen there. The bible says jesus died at golgotha. Historians tell us that romans crucified criminals at golgotha. That is at least one fact for you.
marshallbx5a 10 months ago
@bodrie4 science is working and looking to find out new things about the world! and you can change a scientist mind with facts! u cant change the mind as a believer, and keep your faith! religion makes out they know! when they are almost always wrong! after all you dont belive the world is still flat do you?
snowyywwinters 1 year ago
@snowyywwinters
Well they still haven't found the body of Jesus over 2,000 years. So their faith remains. If i was a skeptic at that time, and heard how people thought jesus was the Christ; after he was "risen from the grave" i would've searched every knook and corner and cranny of every place my feet and donkey would take me until i died to try to find the body of jesus so i could disprove the scriptures. No one has found his body to date, thats why believers faith remains over 2,000 years.
marshallbx5a 10 months ago
@bodrie4 carbon dating! also the soil that dinosaurs are buried in can be dated certain layers are known to be formed pre/post ice age........so yeah humans DEFINATELY havent EVER lived side by side with dinosaurs/dragons.
robswift008 1 year ago
@robswift008 But do they know 100 percent garantee no buts ands or doubts about it that carbon dating is accurate? Based of of what? You see what I BELIEVE is on a Faith..and it fits logically...but everyone seems to be trying to find out exactly what happened and there are literally thousands of explanations scientists have came up with..so how can you say that scientific reasoning/testing etc is is definite? Anyways thats what I believe and I cant really impress my belief on you.
bodrie4 1 year ago
@bodrie4 yes 100% they know how long it takes a carbon atom to breakdown so by looking at the amount the atom has broken down gives a nearly exact date........but moreso soil layer samples can be dated very accurately.when the layer is dense they know it is forest period and when there is sand they know it was flooded under water,so yes its based on FACT,i dont know who or what created the world but i know that man never walked with dinosaurs.
robswift008 1 year ago
On that first guy, I wonder where his trusty dog Gromit was?
TheDoctorOvSilly 1 year ago
Even if he didn't believe. I think it's quite hard not to be even blown away by nature in it's purest and immense form that it might be so humbling. In a position of life and death you might even be more humble and all sorts of thoughts of this bigger scheme might pop in your brain. I guess some people can be so calm and cool even on the verge of death.
royalsteven 1 year ago
It's a little misleading to say "atheistic values". Atheism is only a thing in the face of a religious environment. I hope it's a temporary label; one that we can shed once religion evaporates.
I do agree though, that Joe may not have done what he did if he was religious.
tommyk77 1 year ago
@tommyk77
Religion...evaporating? HAHAHAHAHAH! Like that'll every happen.
There's too much money in organized religion. It's a business.
compsciguy 1 year ago
@compsciguy But that's not why there are followers
tommyk77 1 year ago
This movie is highly recomended.
But I disagree with the theory that was his atheism that makes him keep moving. I'm pretty sure that no matter if he was atheist or if was the Pope of Rome, when you are in the mountain you only depend of yourself to put your ass safe.
Its a brillant exemple of the spirit of superation that push men to climb a mountain.
xavifam 1 year ago 3
@xavifam
This movie is pretty awesome, but I remember the trailers made this
out to be some horror flick. Lol...very misleading.
compsciguy 1 year ago
i dont really think that moral of this film is that atheism will save your life at all though ... its more about courage, determination and a struggle for survival.
timeisticking1360 2 years ago
i completely agree with you, and i am an atheist.
legenddart 2 years ago
Is he a buddist? All the film was like journey of Lama Ole Nydahl. I was shocked. He talk about empitness a lot, about killing himself, he talk about Ego, when Ego disappear. Sorry for my English, I am from Poland. For me it is the best film about great jogin like Milarepa or Marpa but in our times. i think he is a person upper all religions, the one who talk to everyone in his language. He is loved by buddist, atheist, hindu, christians, it is amazing. 108 stars :)
bogpat 2 years ago 5
@bogpat
You forgot Muslims and Jews. And Wiccans and Satanists.
And Pastafarians.
compsciguy 1 year ago
I personally thought that the book is far better than the film, could not put it down once I started reading it.
But what's atheism got to do with this?
TheBlackWhirlwind 2 years ago 3
Well some religious people pray for supernatural intervention such as a god getting them out of dire circumstances, but what Atheism means that you don't think help is coming from gods. What Joe is saying is that he wasn't going to wait for the christian god to save him but that he was going to save himself.
yuishy2003 2 years ago 26
@yuishy2003 Exactly. If he'd waited for heavenly intervention, he'd have frozen to death and be sitting on that ledge to this day.
arbeghast 9 months ago
well he says that at that point he didnt believe in god so i think thats why though i think that atheism wasnt the bulk of the clip though
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atheistfriends 2 years ago
Joe Simpson is comfortably the biggest badass since Chuck Norris.
fingaherby 2 years ago 7
Very touching. Great upload!
LunchAnderson 2 years ago
This movie shows the wildness of the mountains really well. I know them as a skier. What has Joe Simpson's personal drive to live got to do with his atheism? A lot of atheists as well as a lot of Christians would have given up the ghost. Do Joe's balls just make atheists feel better? Personally I know that Jesus is Saviour. Plenty of people believe in the supernatural but refuse to look into Jesus. Why is that?
hombreamado 2 years ago
Because if you believe in supernatural things like god or gods it might mean that you think these supernatural beings will intervene, suspend the laws of nature, and save you.
Atheism means you are alone and you have to rely on yourself, that there's no reason to believe there is an afterlife, so it can motivate you.
yuishy2003 2 years ago 39
This video is validating for me, because so many times I have heard Christians say "oh, when an Atheist is faced with death, they suddenly believe...", like the saying "there's no atheists in foxholes". But personally I've been on the brink of death a few times, & just like Joe's words in this video, the thought of God or praying never occurred to me once. When I've told this to Christians, I don't think they can grasp this concept.
32Iroomi321 2 years ago 2
Sounds a little self-righteous. (No offense).
Hibachiarenas 2 years ago
@yuishy2003
But being alone is so depressing. Some people
don't have any friends. Who do they turn to?
People belief in God not because of any "evidence",
but because it helps them get through life.
compsciguy 1 year ago
@compsciguy And that makes them pathetic, poor human beings. And they should be ashamed, and seek to improve themselves.
jjdecani 1 year ago
I love this movie, but I don't think Joe Simpson's drive had anything at all to do with atheism. And if it did, that's fine, but I don't think that it's what we should focus on. The fact that he had the drive is what is impressive. I don't care if he got it from buddhism or christianity or aetheism. What's important important is that he found purpose and meaning from somewhere
JPizzle1490 2 years ago
Love the attitudes. 'Might as well get on with it and die on the way down' Brilliant :D God aint gonna save ya!!!
urchin79 2 years ago 5
in fact a belief in a "god" might have preventing him from going on. Instead of believing in a fery land after life and thinking everything would be ok, he faced facts and persevered.
sharpezor 2 years ago
The belief of god should not deter somebody from the preservation of their lives. God gave us life to be meaningful. We should treat it as sacred and also we should respect that gift and seek to defend it.
Battousaielite 2 years ago 2
Don't be ridiculous. I am an atheist, but it is impossible to be motivated by atheism to do anything (even to campaign against religion, which is motivated by an hatred of religion, rather than by atheism). Given that so many religious people claim as credit to their religion what is in fact credit to the individuals concerned (Martin Luther King, Michelangelo, Bach etc.), I feel obliged to apply the same response to those who hold my views.
OMRLPdedicate 2 years ago 2
I think in terms of motivation, yeah, you're not going to be able to use Atheism in a hell of a lot of cases.
But if you're faced with death and you're thinking I'm going to die and that's it, you'd be terrified. Trying to comprehend that you would no longer exist and no one wants that.
Which is then why you have to push yourself as far as you can go, because if living is all there is, then you're going to want to live.
Rawrbecca1992 2 years ago 2
Oh speaking of which,
If anyone is looking for good reading on Catholicism and Atheism I highly suggest
"No One Sees God" by Michael Novak
superb!
muffin1685 2 years ago
Hmm, if he was religious, obviously other religious people would say this 'miraculous' escape is proof of God's love or mercy, or something. How then do they account for this escape if Joe's an atheist?
Of course, we atheists know how to account for it all:
Shit happens, but sometimes we get lucky.
EVLWNS 2 years ago 2
I think "you atheists" have a misconception of what "God" really means.
The climber gives a good example at 3:35 "...I always wondered if things really hit the fan whether under pressure if i would say a few hail mary's to get me out of here..."
Apparently your conception of an "almighty being" is something that bails you out whenever you get into trouble, if that is the case, i can plainly see why your philosophy leads you to atheism.
Dont stop questionin things, pursue the truth.
muffin1685 2 years ago
No, I think God doesn't exist. Saying that I think He 'bails you out' is not only a lie but also sily: how can something that doesn't exist bail you out of anything? I'm saying that the religious often use 'miraculous' escapes like this as proof of God and his mercy. And should some kind of God-like supreme being actually exist, then I think it's most likely that he wouldn't bother to rescue anyone, religious or not.
EVLWNS 2 years ago
I'm not atheist, but I also don't buy into religious qualificactions of God; as a "somoeone" or "something" that saves or condemns, punishes or rewards, who has mercy and who judges. I think that conception of God is rotten. It's a gross misconception. It's not about faith or belief. It's about gnosis.
flyingmojo5 2 years ago
Careful - your "gnosis", your knowing God could very well be just as much of a ridiculous idea as their belief in a caring, personal God. Even if God exists, what makes you think you could possibly know It in any way?
EVLWNS 2 years ago
I understand your point, and your logic is sold. But from my perspective it's still absurd. Example: think of the first time you kissed a girl (or guy). Now what if I said that your experience was nothing but a ridiculous idea and didn't happen. You'd just laugh. The thing is that most ppl's relationship with God is based on belief and ideas, which isn't too far off from fantasy. There are many tho for whom things are different. And yes, I cannot know God as I know math or as I know my wife.
flyingmojo5 2 years ago
a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
There you go buddy. Telling me I need a dictionary when your dumb ass doesn't even know the definition. Now how your dimwitted mind can tie lack of belief in gods into that who the fuck knows. Now fuck off.
refuckulate420 2 years ago
Ah I see...so the disbelief in unicorns and elves is a religion as well? Because I lack belief in those? Oh and lepercahns to, wow I guess I'm part of a lot of religions.
No, you're just an idiot.
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felixmab66 2 years ago
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eightmode 2 years ago
Awesome movie! Joe Simpson is God!
PeterRoeder31 2 years ago 2
where was this filmed?
pyr666 2 years ago
They are amazing blokes. I have a great deal of time for them..an experience I can't begin to imagine.
floribunda1969 2 years ago
What exactly about atheism, though. No belief in god, but that is about it. I'm sure there is a lot in common between us humans.
I think a healthy respect for nature was why he was so happy at the bright sunny day, regardless of who or what created it. Religion or atheism was irrelevant. It was all about taking the opportunity out that happened to have created and having the courage to do so.
soccom8341576 2 years ago
calling atheism a religion is equal to calling baldness a hair style.
davervr6 2 years ago 7
exactly man atheism isisnt a religion, clearly your a moron if you think atheism is, its the idea of not believeing in god, religions all have a god, atheism is an anti religion... idiots say its a religion. doesent make sense..
david10291029 2 years ago 2
wow some debate. I dont believe in god but sometimes you have to ask yourself where does the strength come from? To me its simple (most of the time!) If you live a tough life and put yourself in crazy situations you will get stronger mentally its the nature of the beast. Sometimes you have to dig deeper than before, it what comes before that creates the now I believe anyway but then there's luck whole different game that. No proof either way but there is no god like in bible he would be betta
nicsandee123 2 years ago
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atheism is nothing, no laws no doctrines, nothing...
religion is something that is established and had laws... atheist are concentrating on science.. there is no such thing as ATHEISM SCIENCE..
atheist concentrating on logic .. atheist has no logic, they are just nothing.. there is no atheist if there is no religion.. but religion will still exist without atheist
aldrince 2 years ago
atheism simply means lack of belief in god(s), not nihilism. your conclusion is a non-sequitur.
fede2 2 years ago 4
Atheists dont believe in any Gods just like YOU dont believe in 99.99999999% of all the gods humanity has ever believed in.
Your comment makes you look dumb.You dont even know what you're talking about.
You deny the tenets of thousands of religions WITHOUT knowing them.
You stupid fuck.
Austin9599945 2 years ago 6
i'll keep that in mind when i go to the arctic :)
eggmanpete 2 years ago
when they say no water, what about all the snow around him...?
eggmanpete 2 years ago
it takes more energy for your mouth to melt the snow than you actually get from the liquid
bikeaddiction 2 years ago
Every philosophy has an equal and opposite philosophy.
Check out the story of Aron Ralston, also a mountaineer, who believes his faith in God helped him survive having his arm pinned by a boulder.
Simpson believes abandoning god strengthened him - others are strenghthened by a belief in god's presence. It's all up to the person.
redpapercrane 3 years ago
Motivation can come from many things, true or false.
1324123432 3 years ago
When monotheists understand why they dismiss all the other possible gods, they will understand why I dismiss theirs.
FloydsterUtube 3 years ago
To think God will save you-stupidity, take out a razor and slit your own wrists, god aint gonna save you, Use human ingenuity, less of a fail rate than religion
Fragtony93 3 years ago
haha
carlyonbeachfire 2 years ago
more of a fail rate!
chukwuemeka23456 2 years ago
Gostei muito, uma grande lição de vida.
nithaiah
begosso90 3 years ago
You`re arguing about nothing, none of you or any human ever knew the truth.
That`s why it`s called belief, if it would have been a fact, nobody would call it a belief or religion or something like that.
The truth is that almost all of the so called believers are really agnostics because they know that nobody knows for shure.
Ironically believers and atheists are at war but nobody can proove or disproove anything because nobody knows shit and anybody is guessing.
Keskin1975 3 years ago
There's no need need for knowing when beliving alone gives you the comfort to live.
ComradeDragon 3 years ago
"comfort" is an excellent choice of word. you'll notice most people who believe in an afterlife have a very comfortable position on the couch.
keep your comfortable belief, your warm fuzzy, while the rest of us live the only life that's proven to exist... this terrestrial one.
armstrongw5 3 years ago
Your first statement is actually proven wrong.
Cornampoo 3 years ago
if people are going to impose laws regarding such beliefs, or try to have them taught to others in public forums such as schools, then they've crossed a line from being non-harmful individuals belief to being a threat. When those comforting beliefs are used to change public opinion of issues such as homosexuality, international religions, or even scientific understanding it is a threat to rational people.
Belief is fine, so long as it's understood we live in the real world.
Digimaul 3 years ago
Well, every magical claim that has ever been made by a human has either: proven to be a fraud; shown by later knowledge to have been explainable; or has remained unprovable. Given then huge volume of previously magical claims that have actually been explained (earthquakes, lightning, sunrise, germs, atoms, etc). Reliance upon belief declines with every new discovery. God is merely the god of the gaps in our knowledge. We are not guessing - we are progressing.
seathanaich 3 years ago
Would you sacrifice your child for an agnostic god if they asked you to? If not, you're an atheist.
nixmonkey 3 years ago
as painful as this must have been for joe.. this is probably the greatest reward man could ever experience... some people learn this as they grow naturally, and some people like joe learn it the hard way. some people never find out at all and die unjustified. i'm just talking about life and living in general. its not about god or science right now. its about knowledge.
shlempnar 3 years ago 4
he did it...he didn´t need any god to save him, it was his election
johannesfaust 3 years ago 3
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It's funny that people's conscience starts speaking in their most desperate moments, even if they don't believe. One thing you don't want to do when you're in trouble is too curse God but ask him for help. Many miracoulsy happenings took place were people stranded in deserted places, started praying and have been found, sometimes after weeks. And no it's no luck.
royalsteven 3 years ago
It's society, stupid.
whade62000 3 years ago
Why did u have to call me stupid? :( Why wade62000 just why? :( aheh
royalsteven 3 years ago
That is precisely correct: "If a person does not believe he exists, then subjectively he doesn't, regardless of the actuality." This is what faith is: and this is why you get so many different religions. People choose religion-- not vice-versa-- based on what appeals to them. Occam's Razor is misused: it means that the simplest theory is the most plausible. As for what you thought it meant, physical things cannot be disputed. You assume god exists, but where's the evidence?
FromBoomTown 3 years ago
What do you know about God, sbevereid? I doubt he speaks to you. I doubt that you've observed miraculous healings. How can such an omnipresent being escape our daily lives? He can only be experienced through inference or faith. What happened to direct communication.
FromBoomTown 3 years ago
What? That last statement is illogical. If it wasn't impossible, then why did you bring it up? Why does it matter in this forum? You're clearly in la-la-land.
FromBoomTown 3 years ago
What the hell are you talking about? Have you every read a book? Writers often start sentences that way in the interest of style. Don't try teach me 1st grade grammar, when you don't even know that. By the way, I love Star Wars. But I know that's fantasy--that's the difference between you and me.
FromBoomTown 3 years ago
I wish I could, but I live in the real world. And I do not need fantasy to cope with it.
FromBoomTown 3 years ago
If the devil exists, does the fact that one doesn't believe he exists have any bearing on his existance?
sarielx 3 years ago
I watched the whole thing, and I think that the "atheistic values gave him purpose to survive" description is a tad heavy handed. He didn't believe in God, and used his skills to rescue himself. Period. I fail to see how "atheistic values gave him purpose." He has an in-born survival instinct, as all of us do, faithful or not. If anything, atheism is a thief of purpose, as you know your destiny is nothing more than to cease to exist. No legacy changes that. Purpose is the by-product of faith.
scarehuman 3 years ago
"as you know your destiny is nothing more than to cease to exist."
Atheists aren't pessimistic about this. They claim it is a universal phenomena, applying to all human beings; therefore, it is for human beings to cope with it. It promotes a more carpe diem approach to life, since it will have an abrupt and permanent end one day.
FromBoomTown 3 years ago
The term "atheistic" only referrs to what did NOT save him. It's a stupid and in my opinion unneccesery word, not in any way a dogma..
haerverk 3 years ago
His friend didn't believe he was alive, yet he was... Therefore, logic states, just because you believe one way or the other, doesn't change reality. Black is black and white is white. Just because you believe black is white or vice versa, doesn't change the reality that black is black and white is white. God saves your arse, just because you don't believe it or in God, reality is what it always has been. When you stand in front of God. God will ask you, didn't you see all the billboard signs?
sarielx 3 years ago
yeah.well what wudve your god said if he'd died huh joe was a survivor the reason thia is so amazain is because joe survived .ur god apparently loves us all rite than y save only one person...why were his bull-board signs out fr only one guy why do so many ppl die atheists are atheists on a lot of occasions coz they cant take the death destruction poverty and loss which apparent your god is not doing a good job of keeping away quite frankly i think your god doesnt give a shit..!
NIKhilhell 3 years ago
dont get me wrong.. i like relegious people ..almost all my friends are relegious....infact im an indian so almost every one here is freakin relegious...BUT PLEASE DONT FORCE UR BELEIFS ON TO OTHERS...if someones an atheist let him be...
NIKhilhell 3 years ago
I'll be short and sweet. The fall should have killed him. The odds that he survived the fall are EXTREMELY lower than the happen chance there is no God, and the universe is an accident. So, that which is, IS. The way you or I believe bears no change to reality. Don't go blaming God for the actions of man, man makes his own bed, and much pain is the result of man walking away from God. If there is no God, why waste another second on this third stone from the sun?
sarielx 3 years ago
god or no god i love my life...nice story by the end of the day...know im gonna be climbin peaks soon..helps to know tht some one survived this...peace out..
NIKhilhell 3 years ago
Actually, no it could still happen: just cause the chance is low doesn't mean it is nill. Jumping to conclusions again eh?
FromBoomTown 3 years ago
Thinking there is no God, when the proof stares at you everyday, is jumping to a conclusion there is no God. There is ZERO proof of that conclusion.
sarielx 3 years ago
HAHAHAHA, a very flawed logic that you are using.
So that means, all other GODS must exist because there is no proof that they DO NOT exists.
When somebody states that something happened, or something exists the burden of proof is on that person.
msanchez007 3 years ago
ID (intelligent design)is clearly present. Just because you don't see the beauty of the design, doesn't negate that beauty. Who or what "God" is, is the open question. That's it. Nothing is happenstance in its existence. The belief that what you see came without direction from anything goes against Occam's razor. Black is Black. You can call it whatever, it is still black. The only thing that changes is your perception of that said reality. It is easier to believe in nothing, then something.
sarielx 3 years ago
So, why are you a Christian? You could be a great many things, but why a Christian?
FromBoomTown 3 years ago
There is beauty in science. People that don't see that usually do not have an understanding of science. I also feel that it is a lot more easier (and convenient) to believe in what your parents told you to believe than questioning things. That doesn't mean that you do not believe in anything. You are just using your own head instead of following a doctrine.
1029blue 3 years ago
I hope you're not referring to the ID that was dealt with in Dover. If you are, then you've got a hard case to prove.
FriedrichWilliamII 2 years ago
How is there proof? I know there is no man up in space issuing orders. And I've never seen heaven or hell, nor have I EVER seen a dead man resurrected.
FromBoomTown 3 years ago
get out of here with your preaching. this guy survived because of his training as a mountain climber. There are a million situations where you could say god stepped in but the reality is... people are responsible for their own actions.
tfrost1988 3 years ago
I haven't preached to anyone. I have stated the logical facts, and you're right, people ARE responsible for their own actions, and you will learn this first hand, that I'm willing to place money down on in Vegas.
sarielx 3 years ago
If he believed in God, he probably would have prayed and waited praying until the cold embraced him with death. But since he's an Atheist, he knew to get his ass the fuck out! Good job mate!
Geonihilist 3 years ago 8
nice comment
atheistonly 3 years ago 6
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maybe one day youll say there are aleins and we will belive you hahaha....
how do you know he is ahtiest and if he is go and ask him how did he learn his lesson!
farhadcampwala 3 years ago
haha...nice ....yeah ...he knew he ought to get his ass the fuk out..!!..neat comment....
NIKhilhell 3 years ago
Atheist or religious, the will to survive is a strong one, for whatever reason. A dog will chew off its own foot to escape a trap, and I'm almost positive (but not totally) he wouldnt know the difference between the two.
ValerianSoup 4 years ago
And BTW...just a tip for you new climbers: This whole situation may have been avoided (provided you have enough rope) by the following: HAVE TWO BELAY DEVICES ATTACHED TO YOUR HARNESS. When you come to the knot, simply clip the second belay device onto the upper section of rope past the knot, then release the first. It may save your life. Cheers.
ValerianSoup 4 years ago 7
Why would that have stopped Joe going over the edge? (serious question)
stewdickson 4 years ago
It wouldn't have prevented Joe from going over the edge, BUT, provided Simon had enough rope, he could have continued lowering Joe to a point where A: Joe may have been able to reach the side of the ice fall, B: Joe could have made it all the way to the bottom, or C: Joe may have at least been able to reach a point where he was only 10-15 feet from the bottom and didn't have to fall as far.
ValerianSoup 4 years ago
I NEVER climb without a back-up plan.
ValerianSoup 4 years ago 3
Everytime i watch t.t.v. i can't begin to comprehend what Joe accomplished by sheer force of will. The horror of the crevasse and the guts it took to climb down the unknotted rope not knowing if it would reach the bottom. I have total admiration for him.
Heidihayward 4 years ago
Great video
Leonin88 4 years ago
This is a two-sided argument. If a theist had been left in that hole, he likely would have prayed his way out of there. God would have sent him toward the bottom of the crevasse to find it. The atheist did it because he wanted to live. Again, both sides are right.
opinionhead444 4 years ago
If a theist was there he would have prayed to God to get him out and save him and he would've died praying while looking forward to going to a mythical magic land called Heaven.
ceresone 4 years ago 5
I agree, as a devout Christian I wasnt bothered by it all. I loved the story of survival, to each his own.
007Stallion 4 years ago
I have no idea why this movie has anything to do with being atheist...
cadenpolen 4 years ago
Did you watch the clip?
Herbyy 4 years ago 3
You label yourself as atheist, i label myself HUMAN. You should do the same in the name of humanity, there is no real proof from both sides of the blade. To dismiss what you do not now with absolute certainty, facts and evidence is foolish to say the least.(and unscientific)
BruceFarlake 4 years ago
WOW ARE YOU RETARDED? You wouldn't actually label yourself as a human idiot, you would be considered an agnostic, which in other words means you don't believe in gods, but you don't believe there is not a possibility that one may exist... There is no god, when you die, there is no sanctuary brought on by faith... that's it, as much as I hate to say it, I'm not lie-ing so a church can get money...
cadenpolen 4 years ago
Type these words in Google: "The Jacobins" or "Jacobin club". Or just here on youtube, and look for at "The atheist problem" to see just how ludicrous the atheist view is. 20 million killed in the name of reason. So hey a soceity of reason without God, or a total religious society would both be flawed society's.
BruceFarlake 4 years ago
I see you fail to see the difference between atheism and Communism, Facism and other docmatic systems. Don't worry, you're not the only religious person to do this. Hopefully you'll be smart enough to look into it.
Second, godless societies does exist; Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Finland, Iceland, Switzerland and Japan are a few exampels.
Pottan23 4 years ago
...and they are awsome!!!!
msanchez007 3 years ago
Basic physics:
4 "forces" are gravity, electromagnetism, strong and weak nuclear. These forces act on matter (kinetic energy) which is basically liquid, solid, gas or plasma.
So matter exists because energy exists.
It's a convenient little tautology that we must accept..that's right..on faith!!
AcePilot101 4 years ago
no it happens to be a theory that conveniently explains the facts.
when a better theory comes along we'll go with that. we wont cling to the old beliefs and murder all those who change their mind.
ManBearPiglet 4 years ago
Joe Simpson...Legend...
mikhailM4 4 years ago
I was going to reply that "Allabouthejourney" is anecdote, not evidence. But I'd forgotten that for the religious, anecdotes are evidence.
smh...smh...
DertBagg 4 years ago
Why do you self proclaimed atheists or self-proclaimed non-believers in God always have to equate your rejection of the religions you were raised in as "atheism" or "disbelief in God" RATHER THAN your own personal development and evolve self-reliant concept of God?
sk9utube 4 years ago
Atheists dont 'always' equate the rejection of established religion with that of the rejection of any possibility of god. I suppose it helps to strawman your opponents position to make a point.
enclave2k1 4 years ago
Good question. I actually only get to point out atheism when someone insists we invoke god into something. Unfortunately religion is a hot button issue and so many people try to bring religion into school and gov't that we can't just ignore it.
TXatheist 4 years ago
It's quite simple.
Many people see no evidence of there being a God and thus do not believe in one.
Not deny one, not reject one. But actually not believe there is one at all.
Shavarnarak 2 years ago 5
Many people never really explain the kind of God they refuse to believe in before they give themselves the title "atheist". The word "God" is subjective. It's not a "strawman" it's just a question I'm posing.
sk9utube 2 years ago
yeah I agree, the rape scene is awesome!
jockelford17 4 years ago
This is my favorite movie, not because of the Atheism, but it's just an amazing story of what humans can accomplish and survive.
CapnOAwesome 4 years ago 9
This is an awesome movie about the inner streng