The Edwardians In Colour - 03 - Europe on the Brink (PART 1)

[owtatowttowt]

saw this fan it came on first tome round & enjoyed it thoroughly.

[VTEKEN]

Dinatomia,did you not hear the part where they mention the ethnic people of Macedonia.

They are the real Macedonians, the people who lost their identity through 100's of years occupation by Roman & Ottoman Empires.

The Greeks identity was made up in 1829 to weaken the Ottoman rule and for England & France to have a puppet in the Balkans aka Greece. Russia's puppet was Bulgaria in 1878.

[Dianatomia]

Maybe a bird whispered it in your ear. There never was a Macedonian ethnic group. There were different ethnic groups in Macedonia, but not a Macedonian ethnic group.

[zBani]

i am a Macedonian.

can you argue about that. about what my... grandad used to tell me for example(b.1914)... he used to tell me he was Macedonian too...

[Dianatomia]

You are a Macedonian Slav to be more precise. Your grandfather (born in 1914 as you say) may well have claimed to be a Macedonian. De-Bulgarization (Macedonism) began after the Balkan wars. Your grandfather would have been part of that poces growing up as a child.

[zBani]

I wish you wew aware how distasteful is what you are saying. I am intentionally not intellectualizing, i deliberately won't try to "gamble" with historical, ethnological anthropological arguments here, or try to, because youtube it's not a place for that kind of discussion.

And, also, i think that you cannot argue how people felt, about themselves. You cannot argue how he felt about his ethnic/national identity. They lived with it, with that specific, complex, cultural and spiritual context

[zBani]

Context, knowledge that cannot just be washed away, or wiped out. "Now you are Greek/American/Macedonian/Bulg­arian/Dutch" and simply neglect the language, your mother's father's friend's teacher's brother's sister's knowledge of the world, of their place in it.Their place defined by their identity. In this case ethnic.People who migrate for example in US, never forget where they come from.For example AfroAmericans.For example Aegean Macedonians even though they were repressed actively,and they

[zBani]

Dianatomia PLEASE read some ethnography dating as far as 19th and early 20th century! from bosnian, serbian, etc ethnologists. that would guarantee you some*at least) objectivity...

[georgegto]

1829?What about the flag of 'macedonia', do u even know what it means the star? Great Alexander did he live on 1829?Ur grandparents has brainwashed u idiot..Ask the govermand of 'Macedoania' why did they changed the flag from G.A. symbol?

[zBani]

They changed the flag because of the political circumstances. Pressure, oppression poverty and , even the peace and humans lives were at stake. Like all of the ex-yu countries. Do you even know, can you even begin to imagine how does that look like? Do you think it was changed cause"they" liked it better that way?Or cause they didn't know what it means?They/we were threatened. It's not nice to call someone (you don't know )an idiot?

[VTEKEN]

Christina Kolouri. Part 1 5:00.

She clearly states that back then people didn't identify themselves by their nationalities. In the Balkans religion was what split the different people up. Not langauge, not Nationality.

There was no Greeks in Macedonia either, nor Bulgarians, nor Albanians, nor MAcedonians. The length of occupation had got rid of any national feeling. That doesn't mean the identity of the people wasn't different.

[Dianatomia]

6:00, three french boys, one Greek, four Spainish Jews, A serb, an armenian, a Turk and a montenegrin.

Nationalism is a modern creation of the french revolution, but ethnos is not. There were Greeks, Jews, Armenians, Bulgarians etc. in the ottoman empire. They identified themselves primarily thourgh their church. i.e. Greek orthodox church or Armenian Orthodox church. In lesser extend through their language. However, there was not a Macedonian orthodox church or language or ethnos.

[VTEKEN]

pavlaki1969 - in Macedonia few described themselves as Macedonian, most people had no conception of what it meant to belong to a Macedonian nation.

Maybe because they were occupied for over a thousand years, constantly trying to anexed into it's independent neighbouring countries.

Greeks had no sense of nationality till the Western World created Greece to weaken the Ottomans. 1878. If Greeks were occupied and Macedonia was free, you'd have no nationality.

[BasilMacedon]

makemakemakedonija...... there is not even one reffer to "Macedonian or Fyromian nation". It states clearly Greeks, Jews, Bulgarians and Turks. Am I wrong? :)

[itrajkoski]

In the beginning of part 3, it talks about the different movements within Macedonia (Serbian, Bulgarian, Greek, and 'Indigenous' aka Macedonian).

[qwertdfsf7]

Mr itrajkoski

Indigenous can mean anything and not necessary -macedonians-

[itrajkoski]

sure...by indegenous they meant albianian, turkish, or vlach right?

[qwertdfsf7]

It says Indigenous armed GROUPS and not a group...

[makemakemakedonija]

It's good to know something for the Balkan in that time. We, Macedonians were most occupated by the turks in every single way.

Thanks for the video

[walterleu]

I want to watch more, when released?

[fgldnglbs]

I wasn't aware of this project until this date. Amazing! The projects by Kahn and Prokudin-Gorskii in Czarist Russia really put the blowtorch to the decades. Unfortunatly, the usual b/w's make those times seem nearly as dead to the potential audience as before photography altogether. These should be used in textbooks if they haven't been already.

Too bad if Kahn's project didn't include photos of notables. Apparently, P-G's family have photographs of the last royal family under wraps.

[fgldnglbs]

When is all this getting released stateside?