WRC - Colin McRae - Pace Note Lessons

[dk86612]

"and sometimes we do get it slightly wrong!" love the legend's sense of humor.

[Arkitekt3813]

I love this whole instructional, but theres nothing much better than the sound of the car put over the sustained aerial shots.

Helo shots + car sounds = sublime.

[keithswagler29]

what program/show is this from?

[1337gam3r07]

Haha, of course in any rally colin does he HAS to flip the car!

[gasixteenb11]

what does ......kay.....mean in the pace notes?

[MitoEirik]

@gasixteenb11 as in "KE LEFT/RIGHT" ? i think it equals to a 1 or 2 left/right

[deezynar]

Sometimes we get it slightly wrong... hehe

It's totally amazing how skilled (& gutsy) these people are and how infrequently they get it wrong!

[muddwell]

RIP. Very skilled dude.

[stingray460]

I bet she was shitted all round when he finally stopped after and 20mins of driving :D

[nitch003]

the master!!!

[26gear95]

playing dirt 2 on the xbox 360 i find the pace notes come well in advance of the corner and there clearly spoken too. i think the co driver in dirt 2 is derek ringer but i'm not shure, could someone help me out plz?

[nolanbowling]

@26gear95

That's one of the many things real life drivers discuss before each and every stage. They refer to that as the stack. Some drivers will stack 3 to 5 notes at a time, were others only do 2 to 3. As for the driver reading the notes, IDK, and I don't think it really matters. The data processed is all that's truly important.

[crzywhiteman01]

dirt 1 has much better and realist pace notes than dirt 2. Dirt was screwed up by DC.

[RomanianUser]

Colin McRae is a true legend. Notice how freely he can talk while racing a truely hard track. Many of us can't drive on simple public roads while talking to the phone without crashing.

[mikeymike4g63]

Rest In Peace Colin. We all miss you.

[1BrknHrtdRomeo]

wow i love listening to how he describes this...i grew up listening to this stuff xD

i've played every Colin McRae rally game from the first on the PC up to DiRT...and just listening to Nicky Grist in the older versions? i can't help but imagine every road in pace note form now xD haha it's too funny.

in the game tho, i tend to take on the highest difficulty and see if i can beat it. usually when i'm taking corners, it's sometimes a gear higher than what's said. i guess that's all out.

[205645240]

i got a question,

ie: 1 right,

is it better to shift into the first gear?

[nolanbowling]

Please read Sephiroth's comment. It all depends on the method that the notes are being read to you. In this situation, Colin's, yes.

[Sephiroth5300]

Here are the different styles of pace notes:

1. Number=Gear

2. Numbers go up for turns (i.e 1 right=easy, 6 right=hard etc.)

3. Numbers go down for turns (i.e 6 right=easy, 1 right=hard etc.)

4. Word System. Richard Burns used this. Turns are either easy, medium, hard, square, hairpin or sharp hairpin.

Those are all the kinds I've seen.

[CoReRacing]

I'd say that about covers all the ones I've seen as well.

[dontliftjustdrift]

You can also get other version, descciprtive 1-9, 9-1 1-6 , 6-1, also mcraes (the one used on this vid)

[MdJck]

Mr Keftes1989 I navigate for vrious drivers on tarmac in Ireland...Number systems can go either way...1 meaning tight or fast. I've even known a driver to have a 4 and a half corner.The system using gears..self explanetry. Then there is descriptive notes using words like..fast easy k flat. also woeds would be added to no.s to help. ultimately there is no "typical"way of doin it. It's down to the dudes in the car. Cheers.

[CoReRacing]

Thank you for your comment.

[Sephiroth5300]

Colin used a reverse number system. A "One Right" is a very sharp turn and a "Six right" is almost straight. This was backwards from most drivers who used the number system. I myself on games use the opposite of Colin. A "Six right" is bad and a "One right" isn't.

[nolanbowling]

I've always done it like Colin... Thusly a 1 right is considered a 1st gear right. A 2 is a 2nd gear... Of course this is a theory of the proper gear but typically thats the way it's done, or at least how I've done it.

[keftes1989]

you are wrong

the numbers indicate how tight the corner is

the gears are up to the driver

[CoReRacing]

Thus why I indicated the way "Colin and his co-driver" did it... That's how I've always liked to have pace notes read that way as well. He mentions in the video how much each driver's note system can change. You might also notice Colin even tells you that a 2 right is a 2nd gear corner and a 3 left is a 3rd gear corner, you are therefore wrong.

Nolanbolwing: 1

keftes1989: 0

[keftes1989]

my friend you are again mistaking

no gears are mentioned at rallyes never!the tightness of the corner is mentioned by number

usually thoough,6 means very tight and not very open as in colin's notes

[CoReRacing]

No, I think you need to pay attention to the video... He even tells you that a 2 right is a 2nd gear corner and a 3 left is a 3rd gear corner. I think your failing to understand the fact that we are talking about one person (Colin) and not the whole WRC community. As I also mentioned, thats the way I have them read as well, and its probably one of the more popular techniques. I hate to burst you bubble but once again, you are wrong...

Nolanbolwing: 2

keftes1989: 0

[CoReRacing]

Also to further continue that point, many drivers don't even use a number system for turns. Richard Burns is your example. Do your research or learn the sport please...

[keftes1989]

you are mistaking too

check on wikipedia "rally notes"

and you'll see for yourself

number indicate tightness

gears are up to the driver

don't be stupid,most cornerns with same tightness need the same gears

[mignik01]

@nolanbowling what is the minus and plus?

[GP3PocketSnare]

@mignik01 I think that's the camber of the turn

[PorscheLieber]

@mignik01

Plus = Accelerate

Minus = Half throttle

[DVAFP]

@nolanbowling i do it the other way around, thats how i was taught. depending on the angle of the corner, 1 being wide and 7 being a hairpin. and each of those will be more descriptive like: late, middle or early, long, narrow, open, dont open, into or + after the corner and straight distances.

[FedericoRiveroFontes]

Genial como los demas

[DamnRandall]

We miss you, Colin.

[Doerby]

@ blowgunGER

[Doerby]

its not easy to follow richards pace notes...

because Colin has a number system and richard has a system with fast and slow.

colin 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1,

richard flat, easy, fast, medium, kay, hairpin

[blowgunGER]

Thank you!

[KuostA]

@Doerby what did kay mean? 

[RyanPridgeon]

@KuostA A right angle, like the < on a K

[KuostA]

@RyanPridgeon oh is that really? makes sense. thanks so much.

[furionese]

he got it very wrong indeed at the end lol

Colin, we all miss you bad..

[blowgunGER]

What he is saying there about Richard Burns? Didn't get it.

Both really good drivers :-(

[Sigy08]

He was saying he couldnt understand burns' pace notes because they vary so much.

[blowgunGER]

Okay, thanks!

[Kreigshundun2]

RIP Colin & Johnny McRae....

[mambo4269]

Like he is drinking a cup of coffee.

RIP Colin

Hope they have Rally's over there as well.

[paul14057928]

rip colin