@MirageKSA well SORRY i dont know the facts as well as you, and im SORRY that i was a baby when it happened, AND do NOT expect me to now a lot about America, cause im Canadian!!! >:P
I knew this would piss of 9/11 truthers. If some youtube poster could recreate the attack, what makes you think terrorists who planned this for 9 years can't do it?
And Microsoft Flight Simulator is used for training recruits and refreshing trained veterens. Disparaging this as "just a video game" removes the fact that the aviation industry deemed MFS to be accurate enough as a training tool (after all, crashing pixels is a lot cheaper and safer than crashing a real plane).
@gameragodzilla and yet just a month before 9/11 the hijacker that supposedly flew flight 77 into the pentagon had trouble controlling and landing a single engined cessna... yeah... sounds like he definetly flew a huge jetliner into the one side of the pentagon that was designed to withstand a terrorist attack.
@EdgemanLL2 lol, do your research, he really couldnt fly anything for shit. Yes it was the ONLY part of the pentagon that was reinforced to widthstand a terrorist attack, the renovations were only days away from completion. And no a plane did not hit the pentagon
@bullshitter1958 I did my research, you need to do yours. He had 600 hours, and a commercial and ATP cert. And the very instructor who "failed" him said " he did have some ability as a pilot, said Bernard of Freeway Airport. "There's no doubt in my mind that once that [hijacked jet] got going, he could have pointed that plane at a building and hit it," he said.
"There is no doubt" is pretty fuxing clear, isnt it?
PS, why are U kooks always dateless on weekend nights? Just asking questions.
@EdgemanLL2 "he could have pointed that plane at a building and hit it", if you put it that way, then yes. However, the maneuvers he did were far from "pointing", many aviation experts and even commercial pilots said that flying a commercial jet like that. At those speeds, just hitting the lightpoles would of ripped the wings off. Furthermore he then flew a few feet from the ground for several seconds and then flew into the wall of the pentagon... the only section that just had renovators in it
@jichaelmackson1958 "", many aviation experts and even commercial pilots said..."
No NONE have said that. Only morons like you who repeat internet RUMOR say that. And what is ALSO false, is that it flew "a few feet from the ground for several seconds." Nothing in the FDR or Damage path indicates this.
More internet "facts" from a BSing asshat. Nothing more.
@EdgemanLL2 Furthermore, why not just nosedive into the pentagon for maximum damage?, And if it was a plane, why haven't we seen clear footage of it? What are they hiding? The fact that it wasn't a plane maybe?
PS, It wasn't night time where i was, the US is not the only country in the fucking world dickhead.
@jichaelmackson1958 speculation as to what me night have thougt is meaningless. What is NOT speculation is that while he could manuver the plane along the basics, any EXPERT pilot would never had made the mistake of overflying the tgt, then having to loop back around for a 2nd try.
"Too high, too fast" is a common rookie mistake. Thats why he missed high the first time, by approx 8000 feet.
@EdgemanLL2 Loop back? Missing the target?!?! wth are you on about? dude just SAYING that tells me you dont know anything about Flight 77. FACT, he hit the ground floor of the Pentagon, FACT the plane must of then been between 10-25 feet off the ground. FACT, he was traveling 853 KM over the freeway and into the building. IF this is true the 5 lightpoles he supposedly knocked over would have ripped the wings off
@EdgemanLL2 instead of insulting me, provide evidence. NO WHERE in ANY report does it state that Fl 77 flew over and missed the pentagon by 8000 feet. This statement in itself is moronic. No plane has ever flown that close to the ground and avoided hitting it. Show me just one case where this has occured. And lastly, the lightpoles weren't BROKEN dickhead, they were lying down out of the ground. Previous cases where lightpoles have been hit by planes caused wings to be ripped off.
@EdgemanLL2@EdgemanLL2 instead of insulting me, provide evidence. NO WHERE in ANY report does it state that Fl 77 flew over and missed the pentagon by 8000 feet. This statement in itself is moronic. No plane has ever flown that close to the ground and avoided hitting it. Show me just one case where this has occured. And lastly, the lightpoles weren't BROKEN dickhead, they were lying down out of the ground. Previous cases where lightpoles have been hit by planes caused wings to be ripped off.
2) In another split second it would have hit the ground. Except that it hit the wall of the pentagon 1st. Moron
3) lightpoles break away....at the BASE dickhead. Exactly as we saw on 911. Moron.
4) lastly, if you werent such a moron you wouldnt expect a shitty, 1fps, sec cam with a focal length of 10 feet and a fisheye lense to show you imaq quality visuals of a 500 mph airplane hundreds of feet away.
@EdgemanLL2 LOL have you even READ the report? look on google images of the flight path of Fl 77, it never passed over the pentagon once. LIGHTPOLES WOULD HAVE BROUGHT THE PLANE DOWN IN PIECES, fuck, the speed the plane was going was enough to do it. If Fl 77 REALLY hit the pentagon WHERE IS THE HQ IMAGES OF IT? Why were we given the worst possible images from that day?
@EdgemanLL2 Based on previous cases idiot. Your amateur physics lesson forgot one thing. The wings of the plane... which are no stronger than light poles. The collision of two objects regardless of size and weight at high speed will cause massive damage. Planes aren't the strongest things in the world, birds that hit jetliners at take off speed can bring a plane down
OK, then show me a previous case where a speeding 757 hit light poles over a free way, and the wings ripped off and were left laying there with the light poles.
@EdgemanLL2 WTF? seriously, you didn't understand a thing i said. PREVIOUS CASES WHERE JETLINERS HIT LIGHT POLES. For example North West Airlines Flight 255, stalled and hit a lightpole, ripping off its wing and setting the engine on fire, the plane then crashed.... Fl 77 hit FIVE light poles at high speed, its wings would have been ripped off
@Moron1958 Oh, so close. and yet so far. See Moron, if you did your reseach, other than "I heard it on talk radio, its gotta be true!" youd know that 1) Impulse is much higher, at higher speed, 2) NWA 255 losing a small segment of a wing tip is completely different from "ripping the wings off! 3) NWA 255 hit 6-7 light poles in total. Wings were not ripped off. 4) 255 flew another 5000 feet AFTER hitting the light poles. Almost 2 secs. AA77 had to fly only another .02 secs 5) proximity
Cont) of the wing tip to the light pole indicates that the impact of the wing TIP to the pole was not the cause of the separation, but had damaged the wing tip. Exacerbated by a combination of leaking fuel (which is thorught to have ignighted) and the violent control inputs from the captain caused the wing tip failure.
Simply finding "light pole" in a story doesnt do the trick. Show me a speeding, 500 mph 757 getting knocked down so violently by light poles that its wings (not one small tip)
@EdgemanLL2 Show me a commercial jet that hits a light pole at high speed and has the part of the plane that hit the lightpole INTACT... you wont find any, because its impossible, at high speeds a plane that gets hit by a friggen PIGEON can put a hole in the wing. If you dont understand this simple fact then you are simply another dumbass american that believes their government. Dont reply unless its intelligent...
@Moron1958 Doesnt work that way retard. YOU claimed there were past incidences where a light pole was ripped off and the plane stopped dead, traveling less than .02 more seconds.
YOU have to show that example. YOU claimed it existed. No one else has to show you jack shit. lololol.
Show proof, or the claim is automatically retracted. =]
@jichaelmackson1958 Strawman attack. Looking at the evidence with no biases and coming to the same conclusion as the government does not equate to always believing the government.
@EdgemanLL2 ROFL, i LOVE how you not only FABRICATE evidence, but CHERRY pick it aswell. NWA fl 255 hit ONE light pole, which ripped part of the wing off, caused it to SPIN out of control and crash. Fl 77 SUPPOSEDLY hit 5 light poles and yet did not bounce off the ground in any way as it should of. I dont need to show you any more plane crashes, search them up yourself, i was simply demonstrating the effects on an aircrafts wing and motion if it hit a lightpole. If you disagree, then show me
@Moron1958 LMGDAO!! I LOVE how you idiots get the Talk Radio version of a crash, NEVER do any more research, and then pretend you understand what happened.
1) NTSB report was clear and unambiguous. MANY light poles were hit. The wings were NOT ripped off
2) The first light pole caused a rupture in a fuel cell and a witness "saw an orange flame."
3) NWA 255 crashed NOT because it hit a light pole. But because (like Delta 191) the crew failed to set flap-slats correctly.
@Moron1958 "The wings of the plane... which are no stronger than light poles."
Oh Really ::giggle::. so youre telling me a wing that is designed to carry at load of 100 metric tons for millions of hours over its service life--and is designed to take 4-5gs in loadingm flyng through a 500-600 mph is no stronger than a :::chuckle::: light pole that can be knocked over by a 75kg smart car at ::smirk:: 30 mph?
@1958 @Moron1958 "The wings of the plane... which are no stronger than light poles."
Oh Really ::giggle::. so youre telling me a wing that is designed to carry at load of 100 metric tons for millions of hours over its service life--and is designed to take 4-5gs in loadingm flyng through a 500-600 mph is no stronger than a :::chuckle::: light pole that can be knocked over by a 75kg smart car at ::smirk:: 30 mph?
@1958 "The wings of the plane... which are no stronger than light poles."
Oh Really ::giggle::. so youre telling me a wing that is designed to carry at load of 100 metric tons for millions of hours over its service life--and is designed to take 4-5gs in loading--flyng through a 500-600 mph is no stronger than a :::chuckle::: light pole that can be knocked over by a 75kg smart car at ::smirk:: 30 mph?
The video was interesting, however, the video at no point discusses why a plane traveling over speed was able to fly so close to the ground, hit light poles and have its wings remain completely intact, despite hitting all those poles, being overspeed and STILL manage to stay stable and not tilt into the ground. The other issue i have with this video is the supposed "damage" to the pentagon, there was extensive facade damage... with only ONE circular hole about 18-20 feet wide, and thats it
@Moron1958 It doesnt have to be explained. Because its self-evidence to anyone NOT a moron like you.
At the speed the plane was traveling, the distance between the poles and the pentagon was literally less than 1/4 of a second. And given the lightweight, breakaway light poles to an airplane exerting 26 million newtons of force, action and reaction confirm the plane never knew the poles were there. And at the time the plane hit the poles, it was too late to deflect its path. Simple physics,
@EdgemanLL2 Lastly, if you had ANY intelligence. It would be obvious that by watching the limited, blurry footage of fl 77. that whatever hit the pentagon was not a plane, if it was, we would have seen it
@Moron1958. Lastly, IS obvious to anyone who is familiar with a 757, that what we see IS a 757. Unless you can come up with a missile that has the exact same dimensions--including a single, vertical stabilizer 45 feet all.
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EdgmanLL2> "Tha fact that there - as far as we know - doesn't exists any footage of government agents planting explosives in the WTC is proof that 9/11 was done by Osama & The 19 Li'l Hijackers."
Well, that's the kind of madness debunkers have to jump to when they simply can't prove the OCT correct.
It's very clear that these poor souls are going to need a doctor one day.
Again the "nazi" name calling. (Yawn.) I pity you the day you discover that 9/11 truthing is about everything else but nazism. It couldn't be more opposed nazism - and the likes of nazism in the NeoCon-trolled "government" you think you have. (But the day you discover that will be the day you're ready for the madhouse anyway. Damn, you aren't going to look good that day.)
Changing it from "Sorry, I don't have any footage of US agents planting explosives in WTC"? Is that what you mean? Is that a prove of the OCT?
Every time you try to change the subject of 9/11 truth into nazi name calling, I of course confront you with your cognitive dissonance. You ask for that "change of subject", loon.
You provide the one evidence after the other that you're truly mad.
and you shouldnt use terms you dont understand. Like "cognitive dissonance." I realize you heard Ray Griffin say it. And (because ur an uneducated moron) you think it would make you sound smart to repeat it. But in reality, you look ever more the fool because its obvious you dont even understand the term.
Any time you REFUSE to show me govt agents participating, the change of subject is all yours! HAHAHAHAHA
@ThetaNazi. LOL. ANOTHER change of Subject? Go Figure!
Again, burden of proof is yours. If someone is going to jump into a plane and power dive dowm, its the kooks.
However, its done repeatedly in sims, and given that valujet 592, PSA 1771, and Egypt air 911 all exceeded those speeds, before crashing, the MORONIC, UNEDUCATED claim that the plans cant go that fast is already debunked.
Sure, the burden of proof according to the OCT is the governments. We're still waiting for the investigation that proves that Osama & The 19 Li'l hijackers did it - while we have studies of denial and brainwashing "debating" with the hypocritical insane.
Yep, EA990 exceeded those speeds due to an almost diagonal from a much higher altitude - causing the plane to get ripped in the air.
Yep, there's all the proof in the world with the things i just mentionned. You can pretend all that you want that we need "footage w/ gov. agents" before it's proof. If that's so, there's no need for you to argue with truthers.
Yeah, you can scream for that for ever in your denial. Keep on like a person in a madhouse screaming for Santa's Body before he will acknowledge Santa doesn't exist.
I'm waiting in excitement for the proof of "Osama & The 19 Li'l Hijackers" being behind 9/11. Meanwhile, you could consider the cover-up of the investigation and the actual proof of it NOT being "al-Qaeda" I just provided.
Please don't act so pathetically NWO robot as to sit here anonymously and accuse the pilots interviewed in the "World Trade Center Attack" documentary who have flown the alleged aircraft and other professionals for being liars.
Get out there, get aboard the 767 and see if even YOU can do it in first attempt.
@ThetaNazi1941. Please dont act like the pathetic Alqaeda robot and accuse the 100,000 PLUS pilots who all petitioned congress for guns in the cockpit and better cockpit doors (because they KNOW 911 was a terrorist attack, and the manuvers painfully easy) are all liars.
Again the robot who has a programmed brain thinks that 9/11 truthing is "nazis supporting al-Qaeda." Oh, dear...
Niether 1) or 2) - did 100k professionals look into the matter? Where did they sign? (Well, 2 - because the before mentionned dynasties are the true terrorists who invented "al-Taleban" and lied about 9/11 lke they lied with the WMD's.)
Answer what? I can't answer "1)" before I know that we talk about 100k plus professionals who have looked into the matter and signed to debunk PilotsFor911Truth. You can't include people who haven't even heard of the conspiracy "theories."
So, you have to face your madness, there. I'll be patient and just repeat until you understand.
"You admit 911 was a terrorist attack."
You can pretend all that you want. Your dreams seem to help you in some way.
You're the one who calls the pilots who have been interviewed and looked into the matter liars. Their names are listed. Where can I look up aaaaaaall those 100k plus debunker pilots? Where did they sign. Where did they personally state that they looked into the matter and agrees with the OCT?
"Edge wins!
Thetanazi admits it! terrorist attack!"
Dreams are important to stay alive, Edgeman. You just knock yourself out.
You accuse the pilots and professionals in the Attack On The World Trade Center" docu of lying. That's a fact.
Then you accuse ME of accusing some 100k professionals of lying. I don't know of any 100k who said it was a "cockpit instrusion." Sorry, but I'm not accusing people who's existence I don't know of for lying.
What are you talking about "beat you at your own trick"? Before I can answer "Yes, 1), they're all lying" I have to know whom I accuse of lying.
I nkow there's a couple of JREF pilots who agrees with the OCT. I'd say they're in denial. But where are the 100k plus who also looked into the matter and state that they agree with the OCT? I can't accuse poeple I don't even know of, can I?
YOU changed the subject of altitude and speed to cockpit intrusion.
"Oh wait, you already ADMITTED you know it was a terrorist attack, HAHAHAH!"
Um, Ok... You're out of line and it's time for your pill.
Oh, I see, this is all to want to have the top comment? The content may be the same empty nonsensical repeatings of hypocricy and denial. As long as Edgeman can "win" by desperately get the top comment?
You "have" 100k? Are they also coming to your house partying singing "I hate PilotsFor911Truth" songs - all 100k? Where are those that agree that the cockpit intrusion means proof of the OCT? Care tp provide a link.
Well, bringing in "kook" pilots is what 9/11 truth is all about. Oh, so they're sure "kooks" but they COULD only be lying. How does it help your case to try to demand the truther not to bring in PF911Truth? Do you need to play the game with a handicap?
Yeah, you're waiting for your parents to bring Santa's dead body. Well, I think they're OK that you still think he brings the presents at christmas. It's not as serious as blindly believeing in the OCT about 9/11.
"Oh wait, you already admitted it WAS a terrorist attack. NOW I remember."
Yeah, you love to pretend that you "remember" that over and over - actually every second time you post a comment. Gets you the feeling of "winning."
@EdgemanLL2 Hahahahaha Fuck you really have been sucked into your government propaganda. Hahahahahaha The whole world is watching your country fuck up another war. You have done nothing in Afgahnistan and Iraq except cause more pain to people. What a joke you are. How is it that your mighty army can't find Obama oops sorry Osama its been nearly 10 years now.
Funny you say this while using a vid of someguy pushing buttons to move pixels ina a computer on fight simulator trying to prove somebody flew a real 757 into a building.
@Monkeyboy. I never said this video was dispositive of anything. Except for you being my bitchified puppy, following me around from video to video whining "Edge! be the daddy i never had! Please notice me!"
Hahaha I never watched the video FUCK STAIN so I couldn't give a fuck. Notice you think you can just make up words and why the fuck would I want a 3 year old daddy.
I know you notice me FUCK STAIN you head has exploded. By the way who are you talking to everybody hates you FUCK STAIN
@EdgemanLL2 Yep it's working you can't get rid of me and you know it so you try and insult me with your pathetic name calling thinking that might work. But remember CUNT STAIN you started spamming first but you can't remmeber me can you. I haven't even changed my name and you still cant remember me.
This is so funny I am having so much fun with you CUNT STAIN. You and your arse mate Tezza.
After all, it's only the "kook" pilots that shed a light to the lies of the OCT about the planes. It's time for you to jump on that 767 and make the same manouvre and speed in the respective altitudes - unless you get turned on by yelling at the Truth Movement rather than eliminate us once and for all. Then knock yourself out.
"So, still no proof of your kookery yet?"
Sure, just click "View all comments" and scroll down.
Flight 175 going too fast for a 767 at that altitudes. Never flown real Boeings "terrorists" hitting targets that pilots couldn't even do in a 767 simulator. All the WTC debris anomalities put up by AE911Truth. None of the planes proven to be those reported. FEMA photographer Kurt Sonnenfeld had to flee to Argentina for posessing ground zero footage etc. etc.
Pretty much all the prove you need to ind the OCT a lie and advocate for a new investigation.
2) "up down left right" is not all that hard. And its the same in any airplane
3) just because youre too stupid to understand what happened doesnt mean the debris is anomolous
4) False.
Pretty muc hall you need to prove that the lies are all yours. and youre a america hating little bitch, who expresses that hate by lying and pretending Alqaeda didnd do it.
The reason you see a good many Scientologists as Truthers? Because they are used to swallowing a massive amount of B.S. If they can believe that - Xenu brought aliens to Earth from their home planet in DC-8s (under the pretense of income tax inspections) then put hydrogen bombs in volcanoes and blew them up, turning them into ghosts that got sucked up in an energy ribbon and made to watch bad films for a long time to make them passive. - then a 9/11 government conspiracy is a snap!
Oh, so you deliberately think that my name makes me a Scientologist? That's funny. Should I believe you can fly if you called yourself "Superman"?
Sorry, dude, I don't give a shit about Scientology but find it interesting, they have a religion based on a funny story - you know, like the BS about "Osama & The 19 Li'l Hijackers" you have been so brainlessly foon sped, so you actually believe it and think thet attacking Iraq and Afghanistan are right things to do. THAT's religion.
Ha ha! That explains perfectly how dumb many people have become: "Because you have a certain YT name i do not want to check out what these pilots cliam."
Err, because you have "ÜBER" in your name you must be german and therefor nazi...?
Omg, have it really come to this? Would it be better if i called myself Spider-man1974?
Guys what a lot of you seem to forget is that FS is a game, if you were on a plane and the Captain announced it was his first real flight, but not to worry he was great at FS, would you stay onboard. FS has many settings that make it easy for novices to fly. If you believe that was a plane piloted by a rookie on 9/11 i suggest you turn to Islam because he performed a miracle.
I have that game you did the flying in a a small to propeller plane not a jumbo jet. and they said its impossible for a guy who couldnt even fly a small single propeller plane to do the manuever in a 757.
y did the pentagon lie to the american people about SILENT TALK program? the US has used this technology on me since highschool and there will be justice...y....y....y....yy..yyyyyyyyyyy? even when i was a little kid they used it on me
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pentagon i hope somehow i reach you, :<-I... you already have SILENT TALK technology that you funded DARPA to research Ive been a victim of the synthetic telepathy experiament since i was a kid its a new high tech mk-ultra thats highly illegal. "there is nothing hidden that wont be made manifest"-jesus- the american government lies to their people its no wonder Iran wants to build a nuke. I have this country, all levels of government under my thumb.
I like how the "experts" told us it would be impossible for a novice to fly the passenger airliners into the towers. Nope. It's easy. They weren't worried about over stressing the aircraft. They weren't worried about the safety or comfort of the passengers. They weren't concerned with ruining the aircraft from stress damage. The pilots did everything that would make it hard for them. They took off, put the plane in a cruise. The rest is just point and crash.
@Thetan1974 I watched the video. I don't support conspiracy theory in regards to 9/11. Not a pilot, 12 year crew chief. Type in (B-47 stratojet LAMS) and watch that video. It talks about overstress there too but it still preformed the maneuver. My point is once the pilot does all the hard work, it is alot easier to do what they did than what some people are saying. And I"M NOT SUPPORTING THE FLIGHT SIMULATOR THEORY EITHER! And for the record those terrorist had real training.
@LANewell2 Watching that vid is not about supporting anything but the truth.
You don't support 9/11-conspiracy theories?? I'm not sure I'm following your drift: you do seem to to promote the theory of "Osama & The 19 Lil Hijackers." Can you give me the proof? It's not in the 9/11 Comission Report. There's a lot of BS and false allegations - which the writers them selves have admitted.
If you find it that the video is wrong, please adress Pilots For 911 Truth. Not me.
@Thetan1974 You know as soon as I started watching the video I knew what I was dealing with. It is obvious you have came to your conclusion and are wanting others to see it as you do. I do see a conspiracy in 9/11. Obama wanted to do harm to the economic structure of the United States. But I don't support the video's version of conspiracy. Our government raises us like cattle. As long as we produce milk we have value. You don't hit the epic center of your milk house.
Sure, you know that you were dealing with people who found out that 9/11 couldn't possibly have been done by "Osama & The 19 Lil Hijackers." It does not prove their allegations wrong, that you don't like that. It makes you as dumb as poeple who believed the earth was flat 600 yrs ago and thought that they didn't need to sail out to the abyss and check it out.
It would, on the other hand, make you look reasonable if you pointed out their scientific flaws.
"You don't hit the epic center of your milk house." Um, I'm talking to a "rookie debunker" here. That's a real novice argument. Another who don't have the FAINTEST idea of how the Rothschilds, the Bushes and the Rockefellers have run things in the US since WW2. Try reading about Operation Northwoods or learn that the Gulf of Tonkin incident was another false flag reason for going to war.
I bet you still think the Oswald killed JFK. Oh my god...
@Thetan1974 I know a good therapist. Just calm down and take a shower. That helps. You know your initial attack spawned me but when I read the rest of your post... well I'm really sorry. That paronia is treatable though. And seriously do you really think the new world order is so weak that only 3 families run it. What a twit. World domination dumb ass. Not USA. And you call me a rookie. Go bake something.
I'm sorry, but I'm not paranoid at all. To realise that 9/11 was in inside job is just like "Well, gotta accept how the world turns and inform about it."
If you can find the flaws in the Pilots' documentary, feel free to do so. They'd be happy to be corrected if wrong. 9/11 Truth is wanting NOTHING but the truth. What we have been fed through the official reports such as The 9/11 Commission Report and the NIST-report is nothing but lies and fabrications.
@Thetan1974 Bullshit. People who dont ignore it when they get it.
The truth is that...
1) AA77 had a radar altimeter. Which is more accurate, and would take any doubt away about the alt of 77 as it passed over the road. Why not use THAT data to make their case?
2) Their baro atlimeter machinations ALL rely on the dubious premise that the calibration must have been 2992. No reason to believe this
3) Using the heading indicator data is innacurate, because...
3cont) the plane was obviously sliding (uncoordinated flight) so the heading indicator is not actually the the heading for the actual groundtrack
4) over 100k pilots petititoned congress for re-enforced doors, and guns in the cockpit because they KNOW 911 was a terrorist attack, and protecting themselves from cockpit intrusions is the best way to protect against the next one.
3)+4) Nice try. The fact is that what hit the Pentagon has never been proven to be "Flight77" (of you have the proof I'd lije to see it) and the parts have never been linket to the alleged aircraft.
"Experts" can differ in "attitude" - mostly based on the fear of having ones reputation destroyed, lose friends and get fired held up against simply wanting nothing but the truth.
Well, in CIT's duco you have 10 witnesses who saw some plane com in NOC. Whether it hit or not is the big question.
You just go out there and find ONE af the remaining 120+ witnesses who saw ahet they KNOW (whoa - all plane experts with X-rays??) that they saw AA Flight 77 hit the Pentagon SOC. Noone's is stoppiong you. Pack you bags and your camcorder, and get OUT there in the real world - with your real name and record their testemonies. It can't be THAT hard, can it?
@Achmed1974. If you were to deal in reality, instead of YT, youd know that its very COMMON for witnesses to an airplane crash to have widely different stories, in detail, about what they saw. for example, AA191? some people swore the plane rolled past the 180, and crashed Right-wing-down. They honestly believed it. But its proved false.
But when even the NOC witnesses 1) saw a plane, and 2) saw if HIT, thats game, set and match. The plane hit.
Funny how you have to call me Achmed: great symbolism of how 9/11 denialers HAVE to convince them self by little trix that only trick their own brain - and at the same time show how they're conditionned into hating arabs and believeing in the madness about all muslims being lower and/pr dangerous people.
Let me guess: You think it's OK to be racist towards arabs but if you suspect criminal jews you should be shot, right? Tell me how robotically insane you are.
Ehh, what did you prove? That Flight 77 hit the Pentagon. IMO you only prove that your racist every time you call me "Achmed.
Try to imagine if I called you "Talmud Terry." You'd accuse me of being "anti semite" the very instant. All preprorammed to react that way. Believing that 9/11 truthing has ANYthing to do with being "anti semite."
Well, go tell that to these TRUE jews: watch?v=CxEO4d_Q3Ks
that is cool
MEtallica021319 2 months ago
i can't imagine what would happen if the plane succeeded to crash the pentagon...
zombiegirl47 5 months ago
@zombiegirl47
It DID hit the pentagon you dumb ass.
MirageKSA 5 months ago
@MirageKSA well SORRY i dont know the facts as well as you, and im SORRY that i was a baby when it happened, AND do NOT expect me to now a lot about America, cause im Canadian!!! >:P
zombiegirl47 5 months ago
@MirageKSA hahaha you said that with compassion like,hey i hit the pentagon and reinacted one of americas most horrible tragedys lalollllolollolol
mongster7798 5 months ago
@MirageKSA She meant United Airlines Flight 93.
starwarsfandude 3 months ago
Very nice!
stellamehla 6 months ago in playlist The Pentagon 9-11
why don't you make a simulation with a cruise missile painted like an AA plane?For sure would be nearest to the truth.
MrDuspaghi 8 months ago
That's some might nice flying there apathoid, but how many times did it take to get that right?
szymczak34 9 months ago
looooooooooool the argument below me is freaking hillarious
AcTivESkaTeR14 9 months ago
I knew this would piss of 9/11 truthers. If some youtube poster could recreate the attack, what makes you think terrorists who planned this for 9 years can't do it?
And Microsoft Flight Simulator is used for training recruits and refreshing trained veterens. Disparaging this as "just a video game" removes the fact that the aviation industry deemed MFS to be accurate enough as a training tool (after all, crashing pixels is a lot cheaper and safer than crashing a real plane).
gameragodzilla 10 months ago
@gameragodzilla and yet just a month before 9/11 the hijacker that supposedly flew flight 77 into the pentagon had trouble controlling and landing a single engined cessna... yeah... sounds like he definetly flew a huge jetliner into the one side of the pentagon that was designed to withstand a terrorist attack.
jichaelmackson1958 6 months ago
@jichaelmackson1958 Not ONE thing you said was true, other than the terrorist really did fly a plane into the penty.
EdgemanLL2 5 months ago
@EdgemanLL2 lol, do your research, he really couldnt fly anything for shit. Yes it was the ONLY part of the pentagon that was reinforced to widthstand a terrorist attack, the renovations were only days away from completion. And no a plane did not hit the pentagon
jichaelmackson1958 5 months ago
@bullshitter1958 I did my research, you need to do yours. He had 600 hours, and a commercial and ATP cert. And the very instructor who "failed" him said " he did have some ability as a pilot, said Bernard of Freeway Airport. "There's no doubt in my mind that once that [hijacked jet] got going, he could have pointed that plane at a building and hit it," he said.
"There is no doubt" is pretty fuxing clear, isnt it?
PS, why are U kooks always dateless on weekend nights? Just asking questions.
EdgemanLL2 5 months ago
@EdgemanLL2 "he could have pointed that plane at a building and hit it", if you put it that way, then yes. However, the maneuvers he did were far from "pointing", many aviation experts and even commercial pilots said that flying a commercial jet like that. At those speeds, just hitting the lightpoles would of ripped the wings off. Furthermore he then flew a few feet from the ground for several seconds and then flew into the wall of the pentagon... the only section that just had renovators in it
jichaelmackson1958 5 months ago
@jichaelmackson1958 "", many aviation experts and even commercial pilots said..."
No NONE have said that. Only morons like you who repeat internet RUMOR say that. And what is ALSO false, is that it flew "a few feet from the ground for several seconds." Nothing in the FDR or Damage path indicates this.
More internet "facts" from a BSing asshat. Nothing more.
EdgemanLL2 5 months ago
@EdgemanLL2 Furthermore, why not just nosedive into the pentagon for maximum damage?, And if it was a plane, why haven't we seen clear footage of it? What are they hiding? The fact that it wasn't a plane maybe?
PS, It wasn't night time where i was, the US is not the only country in the fucking world dickhead.
jichaelmackson1958 5 months ago
@jichaelmackson1958 speculation as to what me night have thougt is meaningless. What is NOT speculation is that while he could manuver the plane along the basics, any EXPERT pilot would never had made the mistake of overflying the tgt, then having to loop back around for a 2nd try.
"Too high, too fast" is a common rookie mistake. Thats why he missed high the first time, by approx 8000 feet.
EdgemanLL2 5 months ago
speculation as to what HE MIGHT have thought is meaningless****
EdgemanLL2 5 months ago
@EdgemanLL2 Loop back? Missing the target?!?! wth are you on about? dude just SAYING that tells me you dont know anything about Flight 77. FACT, he hit the ground floor of the Pentagon, FACT the plane must of then been between 10-25 feet off the ground. FACT, he was traveling 853 KM over the freeway and into the building. IF this is true the 5 lightpoles he supposedly knocked over would have ripped the wings off
jichaelmackson1958 5 months ago
@jichaelmackson1958
Fact: It passed over at 8000 feet and did a 330 deg turn to make a second attempt. Youre a moron
Fact: Planes tend to be just a few feet above the just before they crash. Moron
Fact: youre far too retarded to state as a fact what would happen to the wings. Moron
Fact: loghtpoles are made INTENTIONALLY to break away on impact. Moron
Just because youre too stupid to understand what happened isnt proof it didnt happen.
EdgemanLL2 5 months ago
@EdgemanLL2 instead of insulting me, provide evidence. NO WHERE in ANY report does it state that Fl 77 flew over and missed the pentagon by 8000 feet. This statement in itself is moronic. No plane has ever flown that close to the ground and avoided hitting it. Show me just one case where this has occured. And lastly, the lightpoles weren't BROKEN dickhead, they were lying down out of the ground. Previous cases where lightpoles have been hit by planes caused wings to be ripped off.
jichaelmackson1958 5 months ago
@EdgemanLL2 @EdgemanLL2 instead of insulting me, provide evidence. NO WHERE in ANY report does it state that Fl 77 flew over and missed the pentagon by 8000 feet. This statement in itself is moronic. No plane has ever flown that close to the ground and avoided hitting it. Show me just one case where this has occured. And lastly, the lightpoles weren't BROKEN dickhead, they were lying down out of the ground. Previous cases where lightpoles have been hit by planes caused wings to be ripped off.
jichaelmackson1958 5 months ago
@Moron1958
1) FDR report shows it. Moron
2) In another split second it would have hit the ground. Except that it hit the wall of the pentagon 1st. Moron
3) lightpoles break away....at the BASE dickhead. Exactly as we saw on 911. Moron.
4) lastly, if you werent such a moron you wouldnt expect a shitty, 1fps, sec cam with a focal length of 10 feet and a fisheye lense to show you imaq quality visuals of a 500 mph airplane hundreds of feet away.
EdgemanLL2 5 months ago
@EdgemanLL2 LOL have you even READ the report? look on google images of the flight path of Fl 77, it never passed over the pentagon once. LIGHTPOLES WOULD HAVE BROUGHT THE PLANE DOWN IN PIECES, fuck, the speed the plane was going was enough to do it. If Fl 77 REALLY hit the pentagon WHERE IS THE HQ IMAGES OF IT? Why were we given the worst possible images from that day?
jichaelmackson1958 5 months ago
@jichaelmackson1958 "LIGHTPOLES WOULD HAVE BROUGHT THE PLANE DOWN IN PIECES,"
Based on what? Loose Change?
EdgemanLL2 5 months ago
@EdgemanLL2 Based on previous cases idiot. Your amateur physics lesson forgot one thing. The wings of the plane... which are no stronger than light poles. The collision of two objects regardless of size and weight at high speed will cause massive damage. Planes aren't the strongest things in the world, birds that hit jetliners at take off speed can bring a plane down
jichaelmackson1958 5 months ago
@jichaelmackson1958 "Based on previous cases idiot."
OK, then show me a previous case where a speeding 757 hit light poles over a free way, and the wings ripped off and were left laying there with the light poles.
Bluff called. =]
EdgemanLL2 5 months ago
@EdgemanLL2 WTF? seriously, you didn't understand a thing i said. PREVIOUS CASES WHERE JETLINERS HIT LIGHT POLES. For example North West Airlines Flight 255, stalled and hit a lightpole, ripping off its wing and setting the engine on fire, the plane then crashed.... Fl 77 hit FIVE light poles at high speed, its wings would have been ripped off
jichaelmackson1958 5 months ago
@Moron1958 Oh, so close. and yet so far. See Moron, if you did your reseach, other than "I heard it on talk radio, its gotta be true!" youd know that 1) Impulse is much higher, at higher speed, 2) NWA 255 losing a small segment of a wing tip is completely different from "ripping the wings off! 3) NWA 255 hit 6-7 light poles in total. Wings were not ripped off. 4) 255 flew another 5000 feet AFTER hitting the light poles. Almost 2 secs. AA77 had to fly only another .02 secs 5) proximity
EdgemanLL2 5 months ago
Cont) of the wing tip to the light pole indicates that the impact of the wing TIP to the pole was not the cause of the separation, but had damaged the wing tip. Exacerbated by a combination of leaking fuel (which is thorught to have ignighted) and the violent control inputs from the captain caused the wing tip failure.
Simply finding "light pole" in a story doesnt do the trick. Show me a speeding, 500 mph 757 getting knocked down so violently by light poles that its wings (not one small tip)
EdgemanLL2 5 months ago
but the wing was ripped off, and they plane was prevented from traveling another .02 seconds
Again, Ill wait. =]
EdgemanLL2 5 months ago
@EdgemanLL2 Show me a commercial jet that hits a light pole at high speed and has the part of the plane that hit the lightpole INTACT... you wont find any, because its impossible, at high speeds a plane that gets hit by a friggen PIGEON can put a hole in the wing. If you dont understand this simple fact then you are simply another dumbass american that believes their government. Dont reply unless its intelligent...
jichaelmackson1958 5 months ago
@Moron1958 Doesnt work that way retard. YOU claimed there were past incidences where a light pole was ripped off and the plane stopped dead, traveling less than .02 more seconds.
YOU have to show that example. YOU claimed it existed. No one else has to show you jack shit. lololol.
Show proof, or the claim is automatically retracted. =]
EdgemanLL2 5 months ago
@jichaelmackson1958 Strawman attack. Looking at the evidence with no biases and coming to the same conclusion as the government does not equate to always believing the government.
ThinkingCritically1 5 months ago
@EdgemanLL2 ROFL, i LOVE how you not only FABRICATE evidence, but CHERRY pick it aswell. NWA fl 255 hit ONE light pole, which ripped part of the wing off, caused it to SPIN out of control and crash. Fl 77 SUPPOSEDLY hit 5 light poles and yet did not bounce off the ground in any way as it should of. I dont need to show you any more plane crashes, search them up yourself, i was simply demonstrating the effects on an aircrafts wing and motion if it hit a lightpole. If you disagree, then show me
jichaelmackson1958 5 months ago
@Moron1958 LMGDAO!! I LOVE how you idiots get the Talk Radio version of a crash, NEVER do any more research, and then pretend you understand what happened.
1) NTSB report was clear and unambiguous. MANY light poles were hit. The wings were NOT ripped off
2) The first light pole caused a rupture in a fuel cell and a witness "saw an orange flame."
3) NWA 255 crashed NOT because it hit a light pole. But because (like Delta 191) the crew failed to set flap-slats correctly.
PWNED!!!!
EdgemanLL2 5 months ago
@Moron1958 "The wings of the plane... which are no stronger than light poles."
Oh Really ::giggle::. so youre telling me a wing that is designed to carry at load of 100 metric tons for millions of hours over its service life--and is designed to take 4-5gs in loadingm flyng through a 500-600 mph is no stronger than a :::chuckle::: light pole that can be knocked over by a 75kg smart car at ::smirk:: 30 mph?
:::points and laughs::: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
F=ma. Google it, moron!
EdgemanLL2 5 months ago
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@1958 @Moron1958 "The wings of the plane... which are no stronger than light poles."
Oh Really ::giggle::. so youre telling me a wing that is designed to carry at load of 100 metric tons for millions of hours over its service life--and is designed to take 4-5gs in loadingm flyng through a 500-600 mph is no stronger than a :::chuckle::: light pole that can be knocked over by a 75kg smart car at ::smirk:: 30 mph?
:::points and laughs::: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
F=ma. Google it, moron!
EdgemanLL2 5 months ago
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@1958 "The wings of the plane... which are no stronger than light poles."
Oh Really ::giggle::. so youre telling me a wing that is designed to carry at load of 100 metric tons for millions of hours over its service life--and is designed to take 4-5gs in loading--flyng through a 500-600 mph is no stronger than a :::chuckle::: light pole that can be knocked over by a 75kg smart car at ::smirk:: 30 mph?
:::points and laughs::: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
F=ma. Google it, moron!
EdgemanLL2 5 months ago
The video was interesting, however, the video at no point discusses why a plane traveling over speed was able to fly so close to the ground, hit light poles and have its wings remain completely intact, despite hitting all those poles, being overspeed and STILL manage to stay stable and not tilt into the ground. The other issue i have with this video is the supposed "damage" to the pentagon, there was extensive facade damage... with only ONE circular hole about 18-20 feet wide, and thats it
jichaelmackson1958 5 months ago
@Moron1958 It doesnt have to be explained. Because its self-evidence to anyone NOT a moron like you.
At the speed the plane was traveling, the distance between the poles and the pentagon was literally less than 1/4 of a second. And given the lightweight, breakaway light poles to an airplane exerting 26 million newtons of force, action and reaction confirm the plane never knew the poles were there. And at the time the plane hit the poles, it was too late to deflect its path. Simple physics,
EdgemanLL2 5 months ago
@EdgemanLL2 Lastly, if you had ANY intelligence. It would be obvious that by watching the limited, blurry footage of fl 77. that whatever hit the pentagon was not a plane, if it was, we would have seen it
jichaelmackson1958 5 months ago
@Moron1958. Lastly, IS obvious to anyone who is familiar with a 757, that what we see IS a 757. Unless you can come up with a missile that has the exact same dimensions--including a single, vertical stabilizer 45 feet all.
watch?v=YVDdjLQkUV8&feature=relmfu
2:10 to 2:40
EdgemanLL2 5 months ago
A G-meter would be interesting...
ComplainBear 1 year ago
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2ndSamuel710 1 year ago
lol this guy is arrested by the FBI
4chan3 1 year ago
the pentagone was not trike by an aircraft and especialy not a 777 retard!!!
yoyaya007 1 year ago
EdgmanLL2> "Tha fact that there - as far as we know - doesn't exists any footage of government agents planting explosives in the WTC is proof that 9/11 was done by Osama & The 19 Li'l Hijackers."
Well, that's the kind of madness debunkers have to jump to when they simply can't prove the OCT correct.
It's very clear that these poor souls are going to need a doctor one day.
Thetan1974 1 year ago
@ThetaNazi1974--but it does prove, however, that there is zero evidence of govt actually participating in the attacks.
Any way you slice it. Still a great, big FAIL.
EdgemanLL2 1 year ago
@EdgemanLL2
Again the "nazi" name calling. (Yawn.) I pity you the day you discover that 9/11 truthing is about everything else but nazism. It couldn't be more opposed nazism - and the likes of nazism in the NeoCon-trolled "government" you think you have. (But the day you discover that will be the day you're ready for the madhouse anyway. Damn, you aren't going to look good that day.)
Are these jews "nazi jews"?
/watch?v=CxEO4d_Q3Ks
Thetan1974 1 year ago
@ThetaNazi1974
Again, changing the subject to someone ELSE doesnt excuse YOU. Why are you too fuxing stupid to understand that?
EdgemanLL2 1 year ago
@EdgemanLL2
Changing it from "Sorry, I don't have any footage of US agents planting explosives in WTC"? Is that what you mean? Is that a prove of the OCT?
Every time you try to change the subject of 9/11 truth into nazi name calling, I of course confront you with your cognitive dissonance. You ask for that "change of subject", loon.
You provide the one evidence after the other that you're truly mad.
Thetan1974 1 year ago
@ThetaNazi--so you cant explain why youre too stupid to understand that? and we should just accept the fact that you are??
Understood.
EdgemanLL2 1 year ago
@EdgemanLL2
So, you can't explain why you're too stupid to see that you're mad? Of course not - that's a part of the problem.
Thetan1974 1 year ago
@ThetaNazi. Awe. Poor girl. dont cry. Its ok.
I wont laugh at you so much anymore.
Yes I will.
HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
EdgemanLL2 1 year ago
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@EdgemanLL2
"Awe. Poor girl. dont cry. Its ok.
I wont laugh at you so much anymore.
Yes I will.
HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!"
Sounds like the super scoundrel in a Marvel Comics cartoon. Are you for real, Edgman, or a cartoon computer programme?
Thetan1974 1 year ago
@ThetaNazi1974.
and you shouldnt use terms you dont understand. Like "cognitive dissonance." I realize you heard Ray Griffin say it. And (because ur an uneducated moron) you think it would make you sound smart to repeat it. But in reality, you look ever more the fool because its obvious you dont even understand the term.
Any time you REFUSE to show me govt agents participating, the change of subject is all yours! HAHAHAHAHA
Dissonance indeed? =]
EdgemanLL2 1 year ago
@EdgemanLL2
We can't wait for despunker pilots to prove through a real experiment how al-Shehhi pulled it off. That would include:
- Jump into a 767
- Pull it to the same speed as 175 at the same altitude it was in in the seconds before it hit the South Tower. (Including the dive, of course.)
- Make the plane go STRAIGHT above a 415 m high hill as wide as a WTC top to show how easy it would be to hit the tower.
Don't forget that the pilot has to be a rookie.
Thetan1974 1 year ago
@Thetan1974
hill TOP, of course.
Thetan1974 1 year ago
@ThetaNazi. LOL. ANOTHER change of Subject? Go Figure!
Again, burden of proof is yours. If someone is going to jump into a plane and power dive dowm, its the kooks.
However, its done repeatedly in sims, and given that valujet 592, PSA 1771, and Egypt air 911 all exceeded those speeds, before crashing, the MORONIC, UNEDUCATED claim that the plans cant go that fast is already debunked.
Sux to be you, dont it?
EdgemanLL2 1 year ago
@EdgemanLL2
Sure, the burden of proof according to the OCT is the governments. We're still waiting for the investigation that proves that Osama & The 19 Li'l hijackers did it - while we have studies of denial and brainwashing "debating" with the hypocritical insane.
Yep, EA990 exceeded those speeds due to an almost diagonal from a much higher altitude - causing the plane to get ripped in the air.
Thetan1974 1 year ago
@Thetanazi. So you dont have any proof.
So you change the subject....again? LMAO!!!!
EdgemanLL2 1 year ago
@EdgemanLL2
Yep, there's all the proof in the world with the things i just mentionned. You can pretend all that you want that we need "footage w/ gov. agents" before it's proof. If that's so, there's no need for you to argue with truthers.
Thetan1974 1 year ago
@ThetaNazi1941. Repeating the lie doesnt prove the lie.
Try again. Show me the actual govt agents participating
EdgemanLL2 1 year ago
@EdgemanLL2
Yeah, you can scream for that for ever in your denial. Keep on like a person in a madhouse screaming for Santa's Body before he will acknowledge Santa doesn't exist.
Poor soul. Poor, poor Soul.
Thetan1974 1 year ago
@ThetaNazi--YOUR inability to supply any evidence is not MY denial. its yours.
Duh!
EdgemanLL2 1 year ago
@EdgemanLL2
I'm waiting in excitement for the proof of "Osama & The 19 Li'l Hijackers" being behind 9/11. Meanwhile, you could consider the cover-up of the investigation and the actual proof of it NOT being "al-Qaeda" I just provided.
Thetan1974 1 year ago
@ThetaNazi 1941
So, change the subject cuz you have no proof? Understood
EdgemanLL2 1 year ago
@EdgemanLL2
Please don't act so pathetically NWO robot as to sit here anonymously and accuse the pilots interviewed in the "World Trade Center Attack" documentary who have flown the alleged aircraft and other professionals for being liars.
Get out there, get aboard the 767 and see if even YOU can do it in first attempt.
Thetan1974 1 year ago
@ThetaNazi1941. Please dont act like the pathetic Alqaeda robot and accuse the 100,000 PLUS pilots who all petitioned congress for guns in the cockpit and better cockpit doors (because they KNOW 911 was a terrorist attack, and the manuvers painfully easy) are all liars.
which is it?
1) 100k + professiona pilots all are liars?
or
2) Terrorist attack?
EdgemanLL2 1 year ago
@EdgemanLL2
Again the robot who has a programmed brain thinks that 9/11 truthing is "nazis supporting al-Qaeda." Oh, dear...
Niether 1) or 2) - did 100k professionals look into the matter? Where did they sign? (Well, 2 - because the before mentionned dynasties are the true terrorists who invented "al-Taleban" and lied about 9/11 lke they lied with the WMD's.)
Thetan1974 1 year ago
@Thetanazi--Again the alqaeda robot dodges the question.
1) all 100k plus are liars
or
2) 911 was a real, no shit terrorist attack.
ANY FAILURE TO ANSWER #1 OR #2 WILL BE ACCEPTED AS YOUR ADMISSION THAT YOU KNOW #2 IS CORRECT.
EdgemanLL2 1 year ago
@EdgemanLL2
Again, what 100k investigated the matter and agrees with the official story after doing so? Where are all those listed?
I know you're mad, but you don't have to highlight it in capitals.
1) What "100k plus"? 2) No - unless you look upon the before mentionned organisations as terror cells.
Thetan1974 1 year ago
@Thetanazi1941
OK, so failing to answer, we HAVE the answer.
You admit 911 was a terrorist attack.
Game Set match!
EdgemanLL2 1 year ago
@EdgemanLL2
Answer what? I can't answer "1)" before I know that we talk about 100k plus professionals who have looked into the matter and signed to debunk PilotsFor911Truth. You can't include people who haven't even heard of the conspiracy "theories."
So, you have to face your madness, there. I'll be patient and just repeat until you understand.
"You admit 911 was a terrorist attack."
You can pretend all that you want. Your dreams seem to help you in some way.
Thetan1974 1 year ago
@ThetaNazi. LOL. YOURE the one who started with the "dont call pilots liars"
I just beat you at ur own trick.
Edge wins!
Thetanazi admits it! terrorist attack!
EdgemanLL2 1 year ago
@EdgemanLL2
You're the one who calls the pilots who have been interviewed and looked into the matter liars. Their names are listed. Where can I look up aaaaaaall those 100k plus debunker pilots? Where did they sign. Where did they personally state that they looked into the matter and agrees with the OCT?
"Edge wins!
Thetanazi admits it! terrorist attack!"
Dreams are important to stay alive, Edgeman. You just knock yourself out.
Thetan1974 1 year ago
@nazi
Blah blah blah yada yada
100k plus PROFESSIONAL airline pilots say it was a cockpit instrusion. That trumps the few losers you have.
Done
Fin
No Mas!
EdgemanLL2 1 year ago
@EdgemanLL2
You accuse the pilots and professionals in the Attack On The World Trade Center" docu of lying. That's a fact.
Then you accuse ME of accusing some 100k professionals of lying. I don't know of any 100k who said it was a "cockpit instrusion." Sorry, but I'm not accusing people who's existence I don't know of for lying.
Thetan1974 1 year ago
@TheNazi
LOL. I didnt accuse them of anything. They could be liars (likely, as my 100k pilots prove) or just mistaken.
BTW, idiot, a cockpit intrusion is the term for when someone enters the cockpit illegally. Duh.
EdgemanLL2 1 year ago
@EdgemanLL2
What are you talking about "beat you at your own trick"? Before I can answer "Yes, 1), they're all lying" I have to know whom I accuse of lying.
I nkow there's a couple of JREF pilots who agrees with the OCT. I'd say they're in denial. But where are the 100k plus who also looked into the matter and state that they agree with the OCT? I can't accuse poeple I don't even know of, can I?
Thetan1974 1 year ago
@TheNazi
your trick. The logical fallacy. The appeal to authority.
You whine "airline pilot said so, so its gotta be true!"
OK, well, I win that argument then. I have 100k plus.
you have a a few nobodies. =]
EdgemanLL2 1 year ago
@EdgemanLL2
The fallacy is on you, Edgeman. You whine "100k professionals said this and that." Let me see those 100k listed.
Thetan1974 1 year ago
@TheNazi--already told you of them. the ones who pettiioned congress.
Duh
Now, go to ALPA, SWAPA, APA and all the other pilot unions and tell them they dont know anything about flying airplanes. =]
EdgemanLL2 1 year ago
@EdgemanLL2
They? Who are "they"? Can I go to those organisations and see a list of 100k plus pros who have signed that they believe in the OCT?
That there may have been a cockpit intrusion does not prove the OCT at all anyway. But if that's another of your dreams, I can't take it from you?
Please don't change the subject, mr. Contradicting Hypocrite; we're talking speeds and altitudes.
Thetan1974 1 year ago
@TheNazi
Asked and answered. Please dont change the subject again.
Show me govt agents participating in the attacks.
Oh wait, you already ADMITTED you know it was a terrorist attack, HAHAHAH
EdgemanLL2 1 year ago
@MadmanLL2
YOU changed the subject of altitude and speed to cockpit intrusion.
"Oh wait, you already ADMITTED you know it was a terrorist attack, HAHAHAH!"
Um, Ok... You're out of line and it's time for your pill.
Oh, I see, this is all to want to have the top comment? The content may be the same empty nonsensical repeatings of hypocricy and denial. As long as Edgeman can "win" by desperately get the top comment?
Well, be my guest.
Thetan1974 1 year ago
@nazi
Wrogo again. YOU changed the subjec to kook pilots. I simply beat you at ur own game. you have a few dozen. I have 100k. HAHAHAH
So, still no proof of your kookery yet?
EdgemanLL2 1 year ago
@EdgemanLL2
You "have" 100k? Are they also coming to your house partying singing "I hate PilotsFor911Truth" songs - all 100k? Where are those that agree that the cockpit intrusion means proof of the OCT? Care tp provide a link.
Well, bringing in "kook" pilots is what 9/11 truth is all about. Oh, so they're sure "kooks" but they COULD only be lying. How does it help your case to try to demand the truther not to bring in PF911Truth? Do you need to play the game with a handicap?
Thetan1974 1 year ago
@Nazi
So thats a "no?" Still nothing?
EdgemanLL2 1 year ago
@EdgemanLL2
No, that was a "sure." You can pretend all you want it isn't there. Keep screaming for Santa's body to pretend that he exists.
Thetan1974 1 year ago
@Nazi
Ok, so nothing.
Got it.
EdgemanLL2 1 year ago
@MadmanLL2
That you're in total denial and love to play "9/11 wasn't an inside job as long as I get the top coment"? Sure, got that.
Thetan1974 1 year ago
@nazi
just waiting for your proof.
Oh wait, you already admitted it WAS a terrorist attack. NOW I remember.
EdgemanLL2 1 year ago
@EdgemanLL2
"just waiting for your proof."
Yeah, you're waiting for your parents to bring Santa's dead body. Well, I think they're OK that you still think he brings the presents at christmas. It's not as serious as blindly believeing in the OCT about 9/11.
"Oh wait, you already admitted it WAS a terrorist attack. NOW I remember."
Yeah, you love to pretend that you "remember" that over and over - actually every second time you post a comment. Gets you the feeling of "winning."
Thetan1974 1 year ago
@Nazi
Ok, Still nothing. Understood.
EdgemanLL2 1 year ago
Sure. Just scroll down and read earlier messages.
"No crime has ever happened if there is no footage of the crime. (That in fact means that there was no crime before the film camera was invented.)"
"9/11 Truthers and jews against zionism are nazis."
"i SO much need a doctor."
- MadmanLL2, 2001-2010
Thetan1974 1 year ago
@Nazi1941
Yeah, I read the earlier messages. Nothing there.
NOTHING that shows govt agents participating in the attacks.
Ill give you some more time. Work on it. =]
EdgemanLL2 1 year ago
@EdgemanLL2
Oh, you just have to read more careful. I'll give you some more time to work on it. If still too difficult, I'll help you out.
Thetan1974 1 year ago
@Thenazi
Ok, Nothing? Take ur time. Ill come back later. =]
EdgemanLL2 1 year ago
@EdgemanLL2 FUCK STAIN I hope "they" pay you well
3133123 1 year ago
@3133123 "they" is Alqaeda. And youre the only one getting paid, Achmed. =]
EdgemanLL2 1 year ago
@EdgemanLL2 Hahahahaha Fuck you really have been sucked into your government propaganda. Hahahahahaha The whole world is watching your country fuck up another war. You have done nothing in Afgahnistan and Iraq except cause more pain to people. What a joke you are. How is it that your mighty army can't find Obama oops sorry Osama its been nearly 10 years now.
3133123 1 year ago
@Moron <--I live in his head. Rent free. plenty of space, since he has no brain to clutter the space.
=] Edge wins!
EdgemanLL2 1 year ago
@EdgemanLL2 Ahhh back to 3rd person phew I thought you were losing it FUCK STAIN. If you live in my head I can make you disappear.
hahahahaha
3133123 1 year ago
@Achmed. Still cries.
Edge wins. 4,000,000 to zero against the kooks. =]
EdgemanLL2 1 year ago
@Achmed, you cant make shit disappear. Youre too fuxing stupid.
See, I OWN your head. Nothing happens there unless I approve it first.
For example. "I order you to cry more about me, here and on other videos. "
Now, having given your head the orders, you have no choice but to proceed.
EdgemanLL2 1 year ago
@EdgemanLL2 Hmmm you couldn't order a root in a brothel.
Im not going any where. CUNT STAIN Hastious opps I mean FUCK STAIN EdgemanLoserLoser2
3133123 1 year ago
@Achmed <-as I ordered him to, he cries about me even more.
LMGDAO!!!! Epic pwnage.
Come on now, monkey boy. Do the dance for me again!
EdgemanLL2 1 year ago
@EdgemanLL2 oh wow you really are a loser aren't you.
You really do live in your mum's bed don't you. I bet you beat off to gay porn too don't you FUCK STAIN
3133123 1 year ago
@Monkeyboy <--Dance again for me!
EdgemanLL2 1 year ago
@EdgemanLL2 Who is Monkeyboy????
3133123 1 year ago
@Monkey<---dance again! HAHAHAHAHHAHAAH
EdgemanLL2 1 year ago
@EdgemanLL2 who is Monkey????
3133123 1 year ago
@Monkeyboy!
Pwned!
EdgemanLL2 1 year ago
@EdgemanLL2 Why are you telling me this????
3133123 1 year ago
@PWNED! Monkeyboy
EdgemanLL2 1 year ago
@EdgemanLL2 hahahahahaha
Funny you say this while using a vid of someguy pushing buttons to move pixels ina a computer on fight simulator trying to prove somebody flew a real 757 into a building.
Hahahahahahahaha
3133123 1 year ago
@Monkeyboy. I never said this video was dispositive of anything. Except for you being my bitchified puppy, following me around from video to video whining "Edge! be the daddy i never had! Please notice me!"
LMGDAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
EdgemanLL2 1 year ago
@EdgemanLL2
Hahaha I never watched the video FUCK STAIN so I couldn't give a fuck. Notice you think you can just make up words and why the fuck would I want a 3 year old daddy.
I know you notice me FUCK STAIN you head has exploded. By the way who are you talking to everybody hates you FUCK STAIN
3133123 1 year ago
@Monkeyboy.
Im sure you havent watched the video. youre just my bitchified monkeyboy, drolling blood everywhere I go. lmao!!
EdgemanLL2 1 year ago
@EdgemanLL2 No No CUNT STAIN. Mr Spelling Bee Champion of 1823 it's DROOLING not DROLLING.
Its fun to make your head explode BITCH and it will continue.
3133123 1 year ago
@Monkeyboy Yeah! Monkeyboy is back! Got let out of County after serving the ped charges?
Be sure to resgister with the authorities. =]
EdgemanLL2 1 year ago
@EdgemanLL2 Hahah ahahahah hahahah
You obviosly know the systems well hey FUCK STAIN.
You think calling me names hurts. Hahahahaha
Grow up FUCK STAIN I am here to annoy the fuck out of you and it's working.
Keep calling me names though CUNT STAIN it makes me laugh at you more.
3133123 1 year ago
@Monkeyboy. of COURSE it hurts your little, insecure, pedo soul. Why else would you spam dozens of boards about me?
HAHAHAHAHAHA.
Following me around like the little puppy "master! please notice me!" LMGDAO!!!!!!
EdgemanLL2 1 year ago
@EdgemanLL2 Yep it's working you can't get rid of me and you know it so you try and insult me with your pathetic name calling thinking that might work. But remember CUNT STAIN you started spamming first but you can't remmeber me can you. I haven't even changed my name and you still cant remember me.
This is so funny I am having so much fun with you CUNT STAIN. You and your arse mate Tezza.
3133123 1 year ago
@MonkeyBoy. Who wants to get rid of you? Youre desperate obsession over me is fuxing HILARIOUS!
Reason I dont remember you, is because youre fuxing meaningless. Just like in real life. HAHAHAHHA
EdgemanLL2 1 year ago
@EdgemanLL2
After all, it's only the "kook" pilots that shed a light to the lies of the OCT about the planes. It's time for you to jump on that 767 and make the same manouvre and speed in the respective altitudes - unless you get turned on by yelling at the Truth Movement rather than eliminate us once and for all. Then knock yourself out.
"So, still no proof of your kookery yet?"
Sure, just click "View all comments" and scroll down.
Thetan1974 1 year ago
@EdgemanLL2
Flight 175 going too fast for a 767 at that altitudes. Never flown real Boeings "terrorists" hitting targets that pilots couldn't even do in a 767 simulator. All the WTC debris anomalities put up by AE911Truth. None of the planes proven to be those reported. FEMA photographer Kurt Sonnenfeld had to flee to Argentina for posessing ground zero footage etc. etc.
Pretty much all the prove you need to ind the OCT a lie and advocate for a new investigation.
Thetan1974 1 year ago
@Thetan1974
1) False
2) "up down left right" is not all that hard. And its the same in any airplane
3) just because youre too stupid to understand what happened doesnt mean the debris is anomolous
4) False.
Pretty muc hall you need to prove that the lies are all yours. and youre a america hating little bitch, who expresses that hate by lying and pretending Alqaeda didnd do it.
=]
EdgemanLL2 1 year ago
@ThetaNazi1974.
Now answer the question. "why are you troo fuxing stupid to understand that showing me videos of other people does not excuse YOU?"
EdgemanLL2 1 year ago
The reason you see a good many Scientologists as Truthers? Because they are used to swallowing a massive amount of B.S. If they can believe that - Xenu brought aliens to Earth from their home planet in DC-8s (under the pretense of income tax inspections) then put hydrogen bombs in volcanoes and blew them up, turning them into ghosts that got sucked up in an energy ribbon and made to watch bad films for a long time to make them passive. - then a 9/11 government conspiracy is a snap!
Dallasdeckard 1 year ago
@Dallasdeckard
Oh, so you deliberately think that my name makes me a Scientologist? That's funny. Should I believe you can fly if you called yourself "Superman"?
Sorry, dude, I don't give a shit about Scientology but find it interesting, they have a religion based on a funny story - you know, like the BS about "Osama & The 19 Li'l Hijackers" you have been so brainlessly foon sped, so you actually believe it and think thet attacking Iraq and Afghanistan are right things to do. THAT's religion.
Thetan1974 1 year ago
@UBERxL33T
Ha ha! That explains perfectly how dumb many people have become: "Because you have a certain YT name i do not want to check out what these pilots cliam."
Err, because you have "ÜBER" in your name you must be german and therefor nazi...?
Omg, have it really come to this? Would it be better if i called myself Spider-man1974?
Thetan1974 1 year ago
i dont really beleive a plane crashed into the pentagon
macDaddy1118 1 year ago
Guys what a lot of you seem to forget is that FS is a game, if you were on a plane and the Captain announced it was his first real flight, but not to worry he was great at FS, would you stay onboard. FS has many settings that make it easy for novices to fly. If you believe that was a plane piloted by a rookie on 9/11 i suggest you turn to Islam because he performed a miracle.
porbello9 1 year ago
"departs from Dulles" ------ LMAO
uprightchoppers 1 year ago
I have that game you did the flying in a a small to propeller plane not a jumbo jet. and they said its impossible for a guy who couldnt even fly a small single propeller plane to do the manuever in a 757.
bmit989 1 year ago
y did the pentagon lie to the american people about SILENT TALK program? the US has used this technology on me since highschool and there will be justice...y....y....y....yy..yyyyyyyyyyy? even when i was a little kid they used it on me
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pentagon i hope somehow i reach you, :<-I... you already have SILENT TALK technology that you funded DARPA to research Ive been a victim of the synthetic telepathy experiament since i was a kid its a new high tech mk-ultra thats highly illegal. "there is nothing hidden that wont be made manifest"-jesus- the american government lies to their people its no wonder Iran wants to build a nuke. I have this country, all levels of government under my thumb.
pandadust1 2 years ago
I like how the "experts" told us it would be impossible for a novice to fly the passenger airliners into the towers. Nope. It's easy. They weren't worried about over stressing the aircraft. They weren't worried about the safety or comfort of the passengers. They weren't concerned with ruining the aircraft from stress damage. The pilots did everything that would make it hard for them. They took off, put the plane in a cruise. The rest is just point and crash.
LANewell2 2 years ago 3
@LANewell2
Are you a pilot? I think you should hear what pilots who have flown the alleged crafts say about the incident in further detail - if you please:
watch?v=uUbVbmpblFk (and watch all 5 parts.)
Thetan1974 1 year ago
@Thetan1974 I watched the video. I don't support conspiracy theory in regards to 9/11. Not a pilot, 12 year crew chief. Type in (B-47 stratojet LAMS) and watch that video. It talks about overstress there too but it still preformed the maneuver. My point is once the pilot does all the hard work, it is alot easier to do what they did than what some people are saying. And I"M NOT SUPPORTING THE FLIGHT SIMULATOR THEORY EITHER! And for the record those terrorist had real training.
LANewell2 1 year ago
@LANewell2 Watching that vid is not about supporting anything but the truth.
You don't support 9/11-conspiracy theories?? I'm not sure I'm following your drift: you do seem to to promote the theory of "Osama & The 19 Lil Hijackers." Can you give me the proof? It's not in the 9/11 Comission Report. There's a lot of BS and false allegations - which the writers them selves have admitted.
If you find it that the video is wrong, please adress Pilots For 911 Truth. Not me.
Thetan1974 1 year ago
@Thetan1974 You know as soon as I started watching the video I knew what I was dealing with. It is obvious you have came to your conclusion and are wanting others to see it as you do. I do see a conspiracy in 9/11. Obama wanted to do harm to the economic structure of the United States. But I don't support the video's version of conspiracy. Our government raises us like cattle. As long as we produce milk we have value. You don't hit the epic center of your milk house.
LANewell2 1 year ago
@LANewell2
Sure, you know that you were dealing with people who found out that 9/11 couldn't possibly have been done by "Osama & The 19 Lil Hijackers." It does not prove their allegations wrong, that you don't like that. It makes you as dumb as poeple who believed the earth was flat 600 yrs ago and thought that they didn't need to sail out to the abyss and check it out.
It would, on the other hand, make you look reasonable if you pointed out their scientific flaws.
Thetan1974 1 year ago
@LANewell2
"You don't hit the epic center of your milk house." Um, I'm talking to a "rookie debunker" here. That's a real novice argument. Another who don't have the FAINTEST idea of how the Rothschilds, the Bushes and the Rockefellers have run things in the US since WW2. Try reading about Operation Northwoods or learn that the Gulf of Tonkin incident was another false flag reason for going to war.
I bet you still think the Oswald killed JFK. Oh my god...
Thetan1974 1 year ago
@Thetan1974 I know a good therapist. Just calm down and take a shower. That helps. You know your initial attack spawned me but when I read the rest of your post... well I'm really sorry. That paronia is treatable though. And seriously do you really think the new world order is so weak that only 3 families run it. What a twit. World domination dumb ass. Not USA. And you call me a rookie. Go bake something.
LANewell2 1 year ago
@LANewell2
I'm sorry, but I'm not paranoid at all. To realise that 9/11 was in inside job is just like "Well, gotta accept how the world turns and inform about it."
If you can find the flaws in the Pilots' documentary, feel free to do so. They'd be happy to be corrected if wrong. 9/11 Truth is wanting NOTHING but the truth. What we have been fed through the official reports such as The 9/11 Commission Report and the NIST-report is nothing but lies and fabrications.
Thetan1974 1 year ago
@Thetan1974 Bullshit. People who dont ignore it when they get it.
The truth is that...
1) AA77 had a radar altimeter. Which is more accurate, and would take any doubt away about the alt of 77 as it passed over the road. Why not use THAT data to make their case?
2) Their baro atlimeter machinations ALL rely on the dubious premise that the calibration must have been 2992. No reason to believe this
3) Using the heading indicator data is innacurate, because...
EdgemanLL2 1 year ago
3cont) the plane was obviously sliding (uncoordinated flight) so the heading indicator is not actually the the heading for the actual groundtrack
4) over 100k pilots petititoned congress for re-enforced doors, and guns in the cockpit because they KNOW 911 was a terrorist attack, and protecting themselves from cockpit intrusions is the best way to protect against the next one.
Ill defer to those experts. Thanks. =]
EdgemanLL2 1 year ago
@EdgemanLL2
3)+4) Nice try. The fact is that what hit the Pentagon has never been proven to be "Flight77" (of you have the proof I'd lije to see it) and the parts have never been linket to the alleged aircraft.
"Experts" can differ in "attitude" - mostly based on the fear of having ones reputation destroyed, lose friends and get fired held up against simply wanting nothing but the truth.
Thetan1974 1 year ago
@Achmed. Sure it has, 130+ witnesses saw the plane hit. Case closed.
Personal effects, and remains from pax were recovered. Case closed.
EdgemanLL2 1 year ago
@EdgemanLL2
Well, in CIT's duco you have 10 witnesses who saw some plane com in NOC. Whether it hit or not is the big question.
You just go out there and find ONE af the remaining 120+ witnesses who saw ahet they KNOW (whoa - all plane experts with X-rays??) that they saw AA Flight 77 hit the Pentagon SOC. Noone's is stoppiong you. Pack you bags and your camcorder, and get OUT there in the real world - with your real name and record their testemonies. It can't be THAT hard, can it?
Thetan1974 1 year ago
@Achmed1974. If you were to deal in reality, instead of YT, youd know that its very COMMON for witnesses to an airplane crash to have widely different stories, in detail, about what they saw. for example, AA191? some people swore the plane rolled past the 180, and crashed Right-wing-down. They honestly believed it. But its proved false.
But when even the NOC witnesses 1) saw a plane, and 2) saw if HIT, thats game, set and match. The plane hit.
EdgemanLL2 1 year ago
@EdgemanLL2
Funny how you have to call me Achmed: great symbolism of how 9/11 denialers HAVE to convince them self by little trix that only trick their own brain - and at the same time show how they're conditionned into hating arabs and believeing in the madness about all muslims being lower and/pr dangerous people.
Let me guess: You think it's OK to be racist towards arabs but if you suspect criminal jews you should be shot, right? Tell me how robotically insane you are.
Thetan1974 1 year ago
@Achmed1974--LOL, Calls people racist when they prove him wrong. Perfect Obama clone!
EdgemanLL2 1 year ago
@EdgemanLL2
Ehh, what did you prove? That Flight 77 hit the Pentagon. IMO you only prove that your racist every time you call me "Achmed.
Try to imagine if I called you "Talmud Terry." You'd accuse me of being "anti semite" the very instant. All preprorammed to react that way. Believing that 9/11 truthing has ANYthing to do with being "anti semite."
Well, go tell that to these TRUE jews: watch?v=CxEO4d_Q3Ks
Thetan1974 1 year ago
@Achmed1974--So now its the Jooz fault? Hmmmm.
EdgemanLL2 1 year ago