I'm a gay dude and of course I can have children. Any time I want I can go fuck a woman and impregnate her same as any other guy. I wouldn't enjoy it in the slightest and it would feel completely unnaturatl to me but I can certainly physically do it.
40% of people in Alabama voted against an unenforceable unconstitutional anti-racial miscegenation law being overturned... We're coming along in leaps and bounds people.
In certain parts of the world, that is true, but on the whole, it is primarily spread through hetero sex. But even if this were true like you say, what would happen if a deadly strain of Syphillis started spreading through the hetero community? You know Syphillis is OVERWHELMINGLY spread through straight sex. Would that prove that God hates Straights?
Have you seen and heard that knuckle dragger who badmouthed Sarah Palin and her daughter? Really disgusting hear more gay men talking publicly about their yearning to be wives ( or "looking for a husband ). Privacy and tolerance is not enough; and we know that more and more. Lets promote greater understanding and prevention for this disease.
@forwardmover The Sarah Palin thing is a joke. People can make jokes about me all they want, have at it. But when you start being serious, and turning things into stereotypes then we have a problem. I've never actually made jokes about Palin's family so my hands are clean in this.
All girls like me want is the right to be married to who we want to marry, that's all. Although, I dun wanna get married yet, I want to later.
@53dumey how about the Mother whose son was in hospital treated for AIDS because he received blood that was given by a straight person?
there are more heterosexual HIV+ people than gay HIV+, and vastly more heterosexuals that don't know their own status because they think AIDS is a "gay disease": those are the ones responsible for infected blood by donation..
break out of your own ignorance, read what HIV+ heterosexual shawnandgwenn(dot)com thinks about your prejudices
@53dumey You're misinformed: the Red Cross banned 'gay blood' because it was a statistic way of making the blood supply more safe..
Straights having unprotected sex and sleeping around is what spread AIDS in the 'Hetero world'.. in fact, Straights having sex with monkeys in Africa is what started AIDS
HIV spreads faster and easier in the gay population due to higher risk having male-male sex; but there are - each day - more infections through straight sex, and there are more HIV+ straights
@53dumey because there is such a large number of HIV+ straights that don't know (don't care?) about their own status, there is a much higher risk of contamination of the blood supply through donation by Straights..
but the Red Cross couldn't ban everybody, and statistically it was easy to ban a minority among which the infection was more present in their population
@53dumey Check the Stats again: gays have a higher incident and risk per person (obviously), but in population there are much more HIV+ straight people, and much more infections through heterosexual intercourse than through homosexual intercourse (just because the straights outnumber us greatly, and straights are much less aware of their status, and think they are monogamous when in fact they are serial monogamous)
@53dumey please go and revise your mathematics: when in a population of 90% straights, the 10% LGBT consists of 5% gays, within that group there is a higher incident and risk per person (obviously!) and thus a higher percentage rate of HIV+, in population there are MUCH more HIV+ straights spreading HIV, and causing more infections every year, far outnumbering the number of infections through homosexual intercourse
@53dumey Gays have on average more sexual partners than straight males, because there are no women involved, and no one can get pregnant.. when straight males stop being hypocritical, they can imagine - observing their own sexual drift - what two times that 'drift' amounts to..
however, when settling down (as many gays do) they often have monogamous and loyal relationships - but society seems not so keen on us doing so, since we can't call what we already gave a 'marriage' (yet)
@53dumey so, skipping all the prejudices you put up which I made arguments against that seemingly shut you up(?), you now focus on other prejudices to explore how comfortable I am discussing this?
please read my comments out loud in future, maybe they make more sense to you that way: I literally said many gays settle down in a monogamous and loyal relationship ('in the Head'), however society doesn't value it the same as it does with straight marriages (a bit broader than 'just on paper')
@53dumey society should value gay relationships as it does straight relationships because we are equal - obviously - and there is not one reason to think of it differently
I am NOT making a claim that a piece of paper makes people monogamous (you just have to look at the vast numbers of married (straight) men and women that are NOT monogamous - in secret or open about it)
please quote me directly in future, to avoid putting words in my mouth I never said
You said, and I quote " "however, when settling down (as many gays do) they often have monogamous and loyal relationships - but society seems not so keen on us doing so, since we can't call what we already gave a 'marriage' (yet) " "
Again, why do you feel that Marriage (Gay or Hetero ) makes people monogamus ?
OR that Gays who are married would be more Monogamus than Heteros ?
@53dumey I'll rephrase myself, but you'll probably still see something in it I never said: "gays often have monogamous loyal relationships, regardless of being able to call it 'marriage' (obviously). not related to that monogamous behavior: society seems not keen on us gays to have a long-therm relationship (equal to heterosexuals) since we can't call that long-therm relationship a 'marriage' (equal to heterosexuals) whether monogamous/loyal/loving or not (equal to heterosexuals)
@53dumey "those who are against gay marriage only want to reserve marriage for those who want to have children " BS. Like many straight couples, my husband and I got married without ever intending to have children. Did anyone question our intentions regarding children before we were allowed to marry? Is our marriage in danger of being revoked over it? Are infertile people legally prevented from marrying? No.
@53dumey Gays CAN have children. And do. Being gay doesn't make you physically unable to reproduce, and there's also adoption. So, given that in reality gay couples do indeed have and raise children, it doesn't make sense to deny them the benefits that would give their family the same security. But ofcourse, If having children is optional for a marriage anyway (which you say it is) then there's no reason it should matter whether gay people can have kids or not.
@53dumey "NO, two men CANNOT reproduce." No one said two men could reproduce together. But what you said was that gay people can't reproduce, which is quite different. A gay person can reproduce, via sperm donors, surrogates, etc. They can also adopt, and thus the reality is that they do have families. Families that deserve the same protections as families led by straight couples.
@53dumey And please, show me your evidence that adopted children of same sex couples have a higher chance of suicide or emotional disorders. Because I have researched that, and all the studies I've found reveal that is not the case.
@53dumey In all honesty, a gay couple who goes through either artificial insemination or adoption in order to get a child, both processes which are very emotionally and financially difficult, is going to absolutely love and cherish and treasure that child because they had to give up and go through so much in order to have a child. Those children will be way more loved than the millions of children born to straight people who abuse them, neglect them, and even sometimes have abortions.
@53dumey Hahaha what??? Of course not! I mean it probably happens less often, seeing as lesbian women probably have less straight sex, but that doesn't mean it's never happened! I'm just saying, the majority of children who are left to the welfare system, or suffer child abuse or neglect, were born to straight people. But any couple - gay or straight - who had to have children through adoption or IVF is more likely to treasure their children because they had to fight for them.
What the fuck does this inarticulate white hypocrite faggot know about lesbians? Only to use them b/c we are not perverts and make him look good. Shut the fuck you piece of hypocritical misogynist shit. "Waahh I'm a faggot, I don't have the right to marry, where's my white Irish privilege?!!!" This guy is so full of disgusting hate of women b/c he doesn't have a vagina. 55 yo asshole retard "sex columnist" hacks off people who are smart & repeats it. Wow, how white of him. What a fucking hack.
@TruthSpeaker1010 :"Inarticulate," says the person who spews out sentence fragments anonymously on the internet and has no bigger argument than 'Waahh I'm a faggot." You only make Mr. Savage's detractors look like morons, as many of them are. If you think he's a misogynist you apparently haven't read anything he writes.
Same sex marriage is legal in Argentina, and it's one of the things that makes me proud of my country and gives me hope for all the other countries. Still there people here who are against it, but it seems so simple to me, people should be able to marry whoever they love and want to marry and all families should be protected.
"America's always first to compliment ourselves as the land of the free and the home of the brave, always last with the freedom and the bravery." truth.
@SanctioFides What an incredibly stupid question. Bestiality involves exploiting a creature for sexual gratification. Incest can be a profound betrayal of familial trust, and can also result in conceiving children with serious birth defects. Polygamy doesn't necessarily imply inequality, but it's pretty hard to maintain without it. Homosexuality is within the range of normal sexual variation.
A slippery slope argument only works if you can demonstrate how and why A will lead to B. Try again.
@SanctioFides If you're going to brandish a polysyllabic eyesore, at least use it correctly. A floccinaucinihilipilification is an instance of judging something to be of trivial value, not a valueless item as your comment implies.
Ironically, you're right in a way you didn't intend. Your original comment is worse than worthless, as I demonstrated in my first reply. Trying to dismiss my response, you managed to accurately classify it and highlight your own incompetence in one go. Well done.
I pray everynight for everyone elses prayers to go unanswered, god and I have a long intimate gay relationship thats why he only listens to me. The christian base is largely against gays and not accepting them into society. Copy and paste this if you are ready to break the chains of religion and start making advances in our society.
That also isn't the only time this happened. It was just one of the well-publicized cases. There was another very well known one in Washington that was instrumental in getting the Domestic Partnership law passed there. A woman was fatally injured in a flash flood and her partner of nine years wasn't allowed to see her before she died. Google "Charlene Strong"
Personally, I feel happy whenever I encounter a homophobic douchebag online. Think about it. Only ten years ago public condemnation of gays was not only accepted, in some places it was encouraged. Now the bigots can only spread their bullshit online, with the lovely security of anonymity so that mommy doesn't hear them. They're pissing in a sea of piss, as the proverb says.
Remember, kids. It's not the best, but it's still better than it's ever been.
@SexyMelon do not dare compare lgtb rights to the civil rights movement for black people. Trust me. It is a losing proposition. Black heterosexuals get offended. And they're sort of the gatekeepers as to who gets to be a member of the equality club. It's not right, but that's how it is.
Look at Iceland and Icelanders, it may be bankrupt, but over there gays and lesbians can adopt, get married in a church, it voted the worlds first female president in 1980, doesn´t have an army, never been to war and 1/3 of the nation attends Gay Pride Parade for love and support..... but they have Eyjafjallajökull, so I guess the nation is too busy dealing with nature to vaste time and energy on being bigots
@SolidTube911 Seriously, seriously do you really think the reason Iceland is bankrupt is because of gay marriage and not an over extended economic system? are you one of these people that think natural disasters happen because gays and lesbians exist. first if your god exists don't you think he would be more concerned with all the death & destruction we cause more then how I love and second he did not destroy Sodom and Gomorrah because of gays but because of wanting to RAPE angels
The employees at that hospital allowed a woman to die alone out of spite. They deserve to loose every single penny they have, and I hope to God that that woman saw the lawsuit through.
The government has no problem allowing a group of people to DIE for this country, but letting them admit who they are while their putting their lives on the line, or letting them get married while doing the same thing, is just too far.
I agree that woman and kids should have seen the dying lady, that was BS.
But no one is perfect, Imagine how many people you would of offended by saying the Phili fucking ppines.... people get offended over very simple things, look at Muslins killing people and themselves over someone saying some prophet is a crock of S#*! So really you need to look at your words and not offend people and turn them against you. Look at all the damage Perez Hilton has done to the gay marriage cause.
I agree Dan, America can be so backward. Over in Holland they have gay marriage and now they are working towards 3 or more people in a marriage.
They've already had a civil Union of a man and two women there. No need to stop at just two people, really is there? If you have a group of people that love each other why cant they all be married to each other?
To quote Greydon Square (Dopamine Kata) "America screaming up and down we're on top, while others laugh at us."
We are so behind the curve and a great many things. We as a country need to wake the fuck up from this right wing bullshit and get back to being "We the people!"
That story about that woman is really sad. I mean, it's hard to come up with a more appropriate word, as hackneyed as 'sad' is. What if they were just friends and not partners? Would the friend have been allowed to be with the other woman in this case? Just pathetic. Gay marriage harms nobody. Let people be what they want, especially if it makes them happy. I for one would prefer happy gay neighbours to hostile heterosexuals.
I appreciate everything he said, but as in that case in Florida, the magic word "marriage" shouldn't matter more than a fart in a hurricane. The rights equivalent to marriage should be theirs (and any other couple or group who wants to share those rights and priviledges)
"Marriage" is the barbaric church's sanctioning contract for sex. Let them have it, but then they should have to turn to the state for the equivalent rights and priviledges, like every other life-long partnering contract.
I'm pro-gay marriage. actually more like pro any type of marriage; lesbian, polygamy etc...
but the video's "argument" based on last to do it isn't good argument. Just because other countries do it before, doesn't make it right. You should try to persuade people by philosophically providing that it's human's right and etc...
because I can say something like this. If all other countries allow rape, should USA also allow rape?
it's gotta be something that they can't backfire on you.
@PhoenixFirewolf yes but it's still weak way to support an point with it. Especially when he's telling front of people. Now when those people try to persuade others, some of them might use the 'we're the last country to do it' thing to support their idea and it won't reach into those of thick headed people who are anti-gay marriage.
maybe I'm thinking too much but I just want them to take right step every step of the way
On another note I´m from Denmark and we have extreme data on the welfare of children from homosexual parents and they do way better on all scores compared with the children of heterosexuals(as a father I´m working to change that of course). But at least it means people really should not worry about the children. And it shows it is only about love and care no matter the sex of the parents.
his story of the dying woman is bullshit, that does not happen, the lesbo was lying for profit. yes, the state of florida hates gay, what an idiot, spreading fear and hate, attack the respect of heterosexuals.
@amanda601 I hate to tell you this but yes it does happen because it happened to me. My partner of eight yrs was in intensive care after suregery and i wasnt aloowed to visit him because i wasnt considered immediate family i was the one supporting him at the time since his ignorant parents kicked him out on the street for being gay because they claim its against god really? God wants us to kick our own family out on the street idont think so
I can't help but add that Brazil has a female president now. It makes me proud just as much as it makes me sad. Same goes for Argentina allowing same-sex marriages.
@valegorn Yeah right, America is brave and free...... after we convince ourselves several decades later that we can be those things without cost and after we are convinced it won't ruffle anyone's feathers.
England outlawed slavery with a single vote decades before the damn Civil War. What the hell are we so proud of? We are the world's first democracy, unfortunately, thats about it.
What Dan said may be harsh and insulting, but its much more respectable than just kissing ass to be popular.
@newguyout No, he had a lot of good points, I was just speaking against his obvious anti-patriotic jabs he snuck in between each good point. Yeah America isn't always the leader in civil rights, in fact he's right, America is lacking in civil rights, but if thats all you have to judge the country on well then you're missing a whole lot of other things where we are most certainly the leader in. America can't be the best at everything, this is a moot point, and it weakens Dan's argument.
@valegorn The problem isn't that America "isn't always the leader in civil rights," its that America has never been the leader in any civil right. Not with gays, not with women, and the only reason that America was so quick to free the slaves was because of an executive order from Abraham Lincoln (Emancipation Proclomation) which by the way half the country hated him for doing it and the other half, most of them thought it was unnecessary. But as Dan pointed out, England had already done that.
@valegorn Everybody always gets upset over "activist judges" and other people who are viewed as heathens by the right wing. But sadly, for America it seems, progress can only be done by the whims of a few, and the dummy majority will just have to keep up.
EX: Civil Rights Act of 1964 (hated by the people), Emancipation Proclamation (hated by the people), and many others.
no progress had been done by the will of the people. the whims of a few are what make the difference.
@newguyout Sure, and as I said before, all good points. Its pretty obvious that America isn't the land of firsts when it comes to civil rights. One side of me thinks this is sad while the other is glad America is a little more cautious before making crazy decisions.
But like I also said before, regardless of his point, there is a big difference between pointing out America's flaws, and just talking shit about it. When you mix the two you usually weaken your argument, no matter how correct u r
@valegorn I don't really think it is a respectable position to say that maybe it takes longer, but its just being cautious, so its OK.
"Sorry sir, you can't marry your gay partner of ten years because grandma and grandpa aren't quite comfortable with the idea of you two getting married, and grandpa is still wrestling with the idea of whether or not you are the devil's pawn."
Sorry, but the people are stupid. Intelligence has to sneak its way past the stupidity.
@newguyout Yes, being cautious is always good. Just because all the cool kids in Europe are doing it doesn't mean America should do it too.
Personally I don't think gay people are the devils spawn, but grandma and grandpa generally have been around the block a few more times then you have.
Nobody is saying gays can't be together, you just can't get married. Until 75% of the world renounces their religion, homosexuality will always be bad.
@valegorn All the "cool kids" in Europe have been doing it for about 20 years now. By the way, Canada, Argentina, and South Africa do it too. Nobody claims that it be allowed because of the cool kids. Last I checked, their argument was because it is the right thing to do.
As for grandma and grandpa.... the big advantage about being in a later generation is that you generally tend to be smarter. Sorry, but thats the truth. They don't get a pass on being ignorant simply because they faught WWII
@newguyout LOL, I'd love to see some old guy pwn you if you said to him what you said to me about older people. There is no such thing as an age limit on knowledge. I'm surprised that you think they stopped learning.
Truth be told, you are flat out wrong. Older people have been around MUCH longer, that means more time to learn.
I can't debate with you about what you think is right, because we'll never reach an agreement. I think it is wrong, you don't, what else is there?
@valegorn I said nothing about an age limit on knowledge. Younger generations will typically be smarter than the previous generations. Why? Because they learn not to repeat mistakes from the past. I have no clue where you got this idea that I somehow said that people stop learning when they reach old age.
Sorry, but if you think being gay should be illegal you are a dummy (not you personally).
Old soldiers never die, they get young soldiers killed.
Once again you are mistaken, if there is one thing that is true to this day, we as a race do not learn from our history. Oh how we try, but we still make the same mistakes. Its part of the human lifespan. It would be more correct to say a generation doesn't make the same mistakes, but when the next comes, it starts all over again, the proof is in the history books.
@newguyout look it up on wikipedia, only 2.35% of the worlds is atheist, and another 11.92% is non religious (which means they believe in God [or something] but don't go to church or follow a particular religion)
Pretty much the majority of the other 85.73% don't condone homosexuality. Christians aren't the only faith that thinks homosexuality is wrong. I was being nice when I said 75%.
@valegorn Unfortunately for all religion in America and in secular governments aroung the world, what someone's personal beliefs are don't mean squat.
Your argument that "well, more people disagree with it" is childish. Its basically the might makes right argument that doesn't pass in the free world.
@newguyout Actually, in a free world the majority rules. If that seems like 'might is right' then sorry. In a free world we all vote and if the majority vote a certain way, it becomes law. That is the chief pillar of the American constitution. Adolf Hitler knew he was right in killing the jews.
And yes it does matter what someones personal beliefs matter, its with those morals we vote. They shape the world around us. Has been that way for thousands of years.
@valegorn 1964 Civil Rights Act: The majority of the country had a slight disagreement.
In a free world, the majority doesn't rule everything. If the majority ruled everything, then there would be no constitution saying that there are certain things that the majority cannot do.
So yes, in Hitler's mind he knew he was right, and in response to that Winston Churchill knew he was right when he said "FUCK YOU." (not that I am saying that toward you)
@newguyout exactly, which proves my point, its hard to argue with someone who thinks their right no matter what.
Also, the majority of politicians voted in the Civil Rights Act (hence majority rules), they got there with votes (from the majority). If the majority really didn't like it, they would've repealed it, or voted in different politicians that have a different view, (kinda like last November)
The majority of todays politically and voters are against gay marriage, and its still the rule
@valegorn Good people "know they are right" as well. Its kind of a funny thing. When the glass is half empty, its also half full.That is why gay marriage will be legal in the next few years (its going to the supreme court within that time frame and with the justices currently on the bench it will side with gay marriage). This fight is basically already over. All thats left is politely telling the grumpy half of this country to calm the fuck down.
@newguyout Things can me reversed, judges can be replaced, especially if a major majority of the country feels differently to what they have to say. I'm sorry, supreme court judges who hold th country hostage don't last very long as a judge.
@valegorn In case you didn't know, there is only one Supreme Court of the United States. There are lower federal judges but they don't decide for the Supreme Court.
And a Supreme Court Justice cannot be impeached. It is a lifetime appointment. Sure, a Justice can always be replaced, but only if they want to leave, and if one did, you had better hope it isn't Scalia, Thomas, Kennedy, Alito, or Roberts (the conservatives on the bench) as Obama will remain in office for at least the next 2 years
@newguyout ture, but I don't think gay marriage will ever reach that point in the next 2 years. There is a lot going on with taxes, the budget, and Obama trying like hell to keep his job.
anyways, its been nice, i have an Econ final I need to study for, Youtube has eaten too much of my soul tonight as it is.
@newguyout Oh and another thing, when we look back to America's reaction to the Emancipation Proclamation, it is crucial that we don't compare their reaction by today's standards. This is something you learn in Freshman Anthropology. It was a different culture then. So when Dan compares our culture to past American cultures and past foreign cultures he discredits himself. Regardless of how good of an observation it may be. I just don't like his "shame on us" attitude.
@valegorn Not having the "shame on us" attitude would be the kissing ass problem I mentioned earlier. Sometomes you have to say what people don't want to hear.
@valegorn Not having the "shame on us" attitude would be the kissing ass problem I mentioned earlier. Sometomes you have to say what people don't want to hear.
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After llistening to this I am reminded of how we all struggle thinking we can make our situations viable and can sue, be angry, etc without realizing all your joking, rationalizing is ludicrous because Gods law is all there is. He is not interested in Hillary Clinton or Dans cussing thinking he is cute, all that matters is what He says. We all stand before Him in the end, and God loves us all no matter what, but you will be judged for disobeying Him. Choose life!
God created Dan (and myself for that matter) in his image like we all are created in his image, now maybe you do not like all the faces God has and has created but that does not give you the right to tell us we are disobeying his laws.
the laws you mention are written by hands of mankind, the big guy did not come down in person to write it all down so please do some real research about the holy scriptures and try to understand the context it's written in.
"always last with the freedom and the bravery" sad but true, you go Dan! really I don't see why an individual, perhaps someone who's older and has no family left, shouldn't be able to choose who visits them on their death bed in general. I love some of my best friends quite a lot, just as much as my dysfunctional family!
You can marry your girlfriend and tell everyone she is your wife, and everyone will believe you. They will be impressed and know that you two are together forever.
But if you die, she won't get to collect your life insurance. If you get hurt and need care, she won't be the one to decide what kind. When you buy a house or a car, she won't get your credit. She won't have guardianship of your children, or you of hers. If she is charged with a crime, you can be forced to testify against her. :(
"A South Florida health care system has changed its visitation policy to allow unmarried same-sex partners after a woman accused a Jackson Memorial Hospital worker of refusing to let her visit her dying partner in 2007.
According to Steve Rothaus at The Miami Herald, “Partners of gay and lesbian patients are now assured by Jackson Health System to have the same visiting rights as heterosexuals, according to a new Jackson policy that redefines the terms ‘family’ and ‘family member.’
What is marriage, you assholes? I don't know why anyone would want to get married!! Who ever gets married is a fucking loser in my book. Marriage is nothing but man made bullshit. Boyfriend/girlfriend playing house(knowing they're miserable) paper work,tax breaks, And boring ass love making for the rest of your miserable fucking life. God doesn't care about fucking marriage, he didn't even write the bible!! Some fucking man idiot did..Propaganda people, wake up!!!
@zenlife28 I am a woman and I want to marry my gf someday. I want to wear a wedding ring and introduce her as my wife. I live in Oregon so it's not about legal benefits. It's about showing she is not going anyplace and neither am I. It gives me such joy thinking about saying to people "This is my wife, Jennifer" and when the spouse dies people sympathize more. Society looks at you different whether people like to admit it or not.
@eltrukoloco279 You need to stop telling other people what THEIR sexual orientation is, what THEY are feeling. It's bad enough you feel it's your business to tell people what to do, think and be, but you're crossing the line when you take over their minds and insist YOU know better than they about THEIR own thoughts.
YOU are YOU, and NOT ALL other people. Get hold of REALITY, because you're traveling in undiscovered parts of the universe with your disproportionately small brain!
@g55coffia The tide is turning, that was one of the points Dan made. Every year mroe and more people side with gay rights. That's why there is such a big push for DOMAs...the anti gay groups are trying to lock in anti gay measures because they know the laws are not long for this world. Yes..its still 40/60% but 20 years ago it was more like 2/98%....think about it.
This should be a non-issue. We are all human. We all bleed red. All that matters is that we are human. God created all of us, and yes, he created gay people, too. Your sexual orientation, your skin color, your gender shouldn't matter as long as you are a good person who preaches love and strives to live a good life without hurting people. All the bigots who hurt others with their hatred are the real sinners. It's too bad that they're blind to it. They'll be the ones burning in hell. SLOWLY.
@Maggie2515 Yes and my answer was also sarcasm, btw. because your post is full of shit, god didn't create gay people just like he didn't create criminals.
@oakaveli well not really, how do you explain homophobia in countries where they dont read the bible? I think there would still be homophobia around the world if the bible never existed.
Homosexuality is generational, in ancient Roman times it was prolific and then it died down, now its made a comeback thru pornography. Its always been around but it comes and goes in different countries with different generations. When the New World Order takes over who knows what attitudes will be like?
@dolan008 Lies about what? The fact that Margret Thatcher was the British Prime Minister, or the that Slavery ended with a vote in the UK.? Everything he said was fact.
Australians in polls say "yes let gay couples marry" at around 60-70% , but both major parties refuse to even consider it and both supported legislating against it in 2004 due to them being in the pocket of the catholic church. Our only hope is the smaller parties forcing change in exchange for votes...I think its a race to see who will be last between us, you and Iran!
as soon as the case for same sex marriage goes thru the appeals court it will go to the US Supreme Court where same sex marriage will be struck down nationwide and all laws allowing same sex marriage nationwide will be ruled unconstitutional..the case against prop 8 is a set up to get the case to the right wing SC
nicely put. if i was American you'd have my support. at its ruit though religion is the stem that poisons this world. if we can shake them of then maybe we have a chance to be a positive culture on this planet as opposed to a nasty infection which looking at all these natural disasters weve been getting across the world will not be long befor the planet shakes us off like the bad cold weve become.
nicely put. if i was American you'd have my support. at its ruit though religion is the stem that poisons this world. if we can shake them of then maybe we have a chance to be a positive culture on this planet as opposed to a nasty infection which looking at all these natural disasters weve been getting across the world will not be long befor the planet shakes us off like the bad cold weve become.
Gotta love Dan. When he's right, HE IS RIGHT!! America always wants to pat itself on the back for being innovative and original when in reality we are anything but.
I like Dan Savage and I like how he says it. The anecdotal story about what happened in Florida is true, real and should be told. Yet the opposition has the same power. Silly stupid ass homos who break the law to intimidate people who are politically opposed to liberalism/progressivism and in turn the "homosexual agenda". The problem occurs when the homosexual community can't see the same situation in others. It's too self centered and it doens't help ever.
Brilliant commentary with humor. Hard to beat.
sdarms111 1 week ago
I'm a gay dude and of course I can have children. Any time I want I can go fuck a woman and impregnate her same as any other guy. I wouldn't enjoy it in the slightest and it would feel completely unnaturatl to me but I can certainly physically do it.
darrenholcomb42 1 month ago
40% of people in Alabama voted against an unenforceable unconstitutional anti-racial miscegenation law being overturned... We're coming along in leaps and bounds people.
gamerunknown 1 month ago in playlist Dan Savage
LOL thats true:)
valeria333able 1 month ago
"Gays have a much higher rate of HIV"
In certain parts of the world, that is true, but on the whole, it is primarily spread through hetero sex. But even if this were true like you say, what would happen if a deadly strain of Syphillis started spreading through the hetero community? You know Syphillis is OVERWHELMINGLY spread through straight sex. Would that prove that God hates Straights?
bndkllr2 2 months ago
Fags
fatface50 2 months ago
In the immortal words of Christopher Hitchens ` RELIGION POISONS EVERYTHING `
naybobdenod 3 months ago
Have you seen and heard that knuckle dragger who badmouthed Sarah Palin and her daughter? Really disgusting hear more gay men talking publicly about their yearning to be wives ( or "looking for a husband ). Privacy and tolerance is not enough; and we know that more and more. Lets promote greater understanding and prevention for this disease.
forwardmover 4 months ago
@forwardmover The Sarah Palin thing is a joke. People can make jokes about me all they want, have at it. But when you start being serious, and turning things into stereotypes then we have a problem. I've never actually made jokes about Palin's family so my hands are clean in this.
All girls like me want is the right to be married to who we want to marry, that's all. Although, I dun wanna get married yet, I want to later.
LichQueenKathie 3 months ago
24 people are those "knuckle dragging biggots"
weslanator45 5 months ago
What about the Father whose young son was in the hospital dying of AIDS because he recieved blood that was given by a gay person ?
53dumey 6 months ago
@53dumey how about the Mother whose son was in hospital treated for AIDS because he received blood that was given by a straight person?
there are more heterosexual HIV+ people than gay HIV+, and vastly more heterosexuals that don't know their own status because they think AIDS is a "gay disease": those are the ones responsible for infected blood by donation..
break out of your own ignorance, read what HIV+ heterosexual shawnandgwenn(dot)com thinks about your prejudices
-roel
roelvanacker 5 months ago
@roelvanacker
Gays giving blood is what started AIDS in the Hetero world !
Thats why the Red Cross began banning Gay Blood in the first place !
53dumey 5 months ago
@53dumey You're misinformed: the Red Cross banned 'gay blood' because it was a statistic way of making the blood supply more safe..
Straights having unprotected sex and sleeping around is what spread AIDS in the 'Hetero world'.. in fact, Straights having sex with monkeys in Africa is what started AIDS
HIV spreads faster and easier in the gay population due to higher risk having male-male sex; but there are - each day - more infections through straight sex, and there are more HIV+ straights
roelvanacker 5 months ago
@53dumey because there is such a large number of HIV+ straights that don't know (don't care?) about their own status, there is a much higher risk of contamination of the blood supply through donation by Straights..
but the Red Cross couldn't ban everybody, and statistically it was easy to ban a minority among which the infection was more present in their population
-roel
roelvanacker 5 months ago
@roelvanacker
Check the Stats, gays have a higher incedent of AIDS than Straights.
53dumey 5 months ago
@53dumey Check the Stats again: gays have a higher incident and risk per person (obviously), but in population there are much more HIV+ straight people, and much more infections through heterosexual intercourse than through homosexual intercourse (just because the straights outnumber us greatly, and straights are much less aware of their status, and think they are monogamous when in fact they are serial monogamous)
-roel
roelvanacker 5 months ago
@roelvanacker
The Gay community has a higher percentage rate of HIV than the Hetero community !
Also, gays have on average more sexual partners than heteros !
53dumey 5 months ago
@53dumey please go and revise your mathematics: when in a population of 90% straights, the 10% LGBT consists of 5% gays, within that group there is a higher incident and risk per person (obviously!) and thus a higher percentage rate of HIV+, in population there are MUCH more HIV+ straights spreading HIV, and causing more infections every year, far outnumbering the number of infections through homosexual intercourse
-roel
roelvanacker 5 months ago
@53dumey Gays have on average more sexual partners than straight males, because there are no women involved, and no one can get pregnant.. when straight males stop being hypocritical, they can imagine - observing their own sexual drift - what two times that 'drift' amounts to..
however, when settling down (as many gays do) they often have monogamous and loyal relationships - but society seems not so keen on us doing so, since we can't call what we already gave a 'marriage' (yet)
-roel
roelvanacker 5 months ago
@roelvanacker
Since when does ANYONE require marriage to settle down and become Monogamus ?
Its in the Head, not on a sheet of paper !
53dumey 5 months ago
@53dumey so, skipping all the prejudices you put up which I made arguments against that seemingly shut you up(?), you now focus on other prejudices to explore how comfortable I am discussing this?
please read my comments out loud in future, maybe they make more sense to you that way: I literally said many gays settle down in a monogamous and loyal relationship ('in the Head'), however society doesn't value it the same as it does with straight marriages (a bit broader than 'just on paper')
-roel
roelvanacker 5 months ago
@roelvanacker
Why should society value Gay marriage as it does Hetero marriage ?
Are you making a claim that it takes a piece of Paper to make people monogamus ?
53dumey 4 months ago
@53dumey society should value gay relationships as it does straight relationships because we are equal - obviously - and there is not one reason to think of it differently
I am NOT making a claim that a piece of paper makes people monogamous (you just have to look at the vast numbers of married (straight) men and women that are NOT monogamous - in secret or open about it)
please quote me directly in future, to avoid putting words in my mouth I never said
-roel
roelvanacker 4 months ago
@roelvanacker
You said, and I quote " "however, when settling down (as many gays do) they often have monogamous and loyal relationships - but society seems not so keen on us doing so, since we can't call what we already gave a 'marriage' (yet) " "
Again, why do you feel that Marriage (Gay or Hetero ) makes people monogamus ?
OR that Gays who are married would be more Monogamus than Heteros ?
53dumey 4 months ago
@53dumey I'll rephrase myself, but you'll probably still see something in it I never said: "gays often have monogamous loyal relationships, regardless of being able to call it 'marriage' (obviously). not related to that monogamous behavior: society seems not keen on us gays to have a long-therm relationship (equal to heterosexuals) since we can't call that long-therm relationship a 'marriage' (equal to heterosexuals) whether monogamous/loyal/loving or not (equal to heterosexuals)
-roel
roelvanacker 4 months ago
@roelvanacker
But No one needs marriage to have a long term relationship, wether its monogamus or not !
No one is denying you a long term relationship, those who are against gay marriage only want to reserve marriage for those who want to have children .
Not all married couples are able to have children, but they do believe that it takes a man and a woman to properly raise a child.
We don't have that system perfected yet, but gay marriage would be another problem.
53dumey 4 months ago
@53dumey "those who are against gay marriage only want to reserve marriage for those who want to have children " BS. Like many straight couples, my husband and I got married without ever intending to have children. Did anyone question our intentions regarding children before we were allowed to marry? Is our marriage in danger of being revoked over it? Are infertile people legally prevented from marrying? No.
MissTemperence 2 months ago
@MissTemperence
Did'nt read ALL my comment I see !
Its YOUR choice if you don't want to have Children !
But GAYS CANNOT have Children, therefore theres no need for them to get married !
Infertile Couples some times Can have Children through Medicine !
53dumey 2 months ago
@53dumey Gays CAN have children. And do. Being gay doesn't make you physically unable to reproduce, and there's also adoption. So, given that in reality gay couples do indeed have and raise children, it doesn't make sense to deny them the benefits that would give their family the same security. But ofcourse, If having children is optional for a marriage anyway (which you say it is) then there's no reason it should matter whether gay people can have kids or not.
MissTemperence 2 months ago
@MissTemperence
NO, two men CANNOT reproduce.
Adopted children of same sex couples have a bigger chance of Suicide and emotional disorders.
Theres scientific Fact behind that !
53dumey 2 months ago
@53dumey "NO, two men CANNOT reproduce." No one said two men could reproduce together. But what you said was that gay people can't reproduce, which is quite different. A gay person can reproduce, via sperm donors, surrogates, etc. They can also adopt, and thus the reality is that they do have families. Families that deserve the same protections as families led by straight couples.
MissTemperence 1 month ago
@53dumey And please, show me your evidence that adopted children of same sex couples have a higher chance of suicide or emotional disorders. Because I have researched that, and all the studies I've found reveal that is not the case.
MissTemperence 1 month ago
@53dumey In all honesty, a gay couple who goes through either artificial insemination or adoption in order to get a child, both processes which are very emotionally and financially difficult, is going to absolutely love and cherish and treasure that child because they had to give up and go through so much in order to have a child. Those children will be way more loved than the millions of children born to straight people who abuse them, neglect them, and even sometimes have abortions.
annielouuu 1 month ago
@annielouuu
Are you saying that a lesbian has never had an abortion ????
53dumey 1 month ago
@53dumey Hahaha what??? Of course not! I mean it probably happens less often, seeing as lesbian women probably have less straight sex, but that doesn't mean it's never happened! I'm just saying, the majority of children who are left to the welfare system, or suffer child abuse or neglect, were born to straight people. But any couple - gay or straight - who had to have children through adoption or IVF is more likely to treasure their children because they had to fight for them.
annielouuu 1 month ago
THAT depends on the People, I have read Newspaper articles were adopted parents have beaten their kids to death.
And there is no study that shows that Gay people are any better, with or without children, than straight people.
53dumey 1 month ago
What the fuck does this inarticulate white hypocrite faggot know about lesbians? Only to use them b/c we are not perverts and make him look good. Shut the fuck you piece of hypocritical misogynist shit. "Waahh I'm a faggot, I don't have the right to marry, where's my white Irish privilege?!!!" This guy is so full of disgusting hate of women b/c he doesn't have a vagina. 55 yo asshole retard "sex columnist" hacks off people who are smart & repeats it. Wow, how white of him. What a fucking hack.
TruthSpeaker1010 6 months ago
@TruthSpeaker1010 :"Inarticulate," says the person who spews out sentence fragments anonymously on the internet and has no bigger argument than 'Waahh I'm a faggot." You only make Mr. Savage's detractors look like morons, as many of them are. If you think he's a misogynist you apparently haven't read anything he writes.
pmalleable 6 months ago
i love him so much. he's the greatest resident in seattle :)
bluereyes 6 months ago
Fill-i-fucking-peens... that's how it came out. :D
TheEccentricKitty 6 months ago
Lol fags
EliteDarknessScyther 6 months ago
Same sex marriage is legal in Argentina, and it's one of the things that makes me proud of my country and gives me hope for all the other countries. Still there people here who are against it, but it seems so simple to me, people should be able to marry whoever they love and want to marry and all families should be protected.
AccordingToGaby 6 months ago in playlist AAAAA 2
"America's always first to compliment ourselves as the land of the free and the home of the brave, always last with the freedom and the bravery." truth.
jonjuan92 7 months ago 2
Do Bestialitists, Poloygomists, Incestist get the same rights?
SanctioFides 7 months ago
@SanctioFides What an incredibly stupid question. Bestiality involves exploiting a creature for sexual gratification. Incest can be a profound betrayal of familial trust, and can also result in conceiving children with serious birth defects. Polygamy doesn't necessarily imply inequality, but it's pretty hard to maintain without it. Homosexuality is within the range of normal sexual variation.
A slippery slope argument only works if you can demonstrate how and why A will lead to B. Try again.
FuzzyWhisper 7 months ago
@FuzzyWhisper Try again??? your statement itself was a floccinaucinihilipilification....
SanctioFides 7 months ago
@SanctioFides If you're going to brandish a polysyllabic eyesore, at least use it correctly. A floccinaucinihilipilification is an instance of judging something to be of trivial value, not a valueless item as your comment implies.
Ironically, you're right in a way you didn't intend. Your original comment is worse than worthless, as I demonstrated in my first reply. Trying to dismiss my response, you managed to accurately classify it and highlight your own incompetence in one go. Well done.
FuzzyWhisper 7 months ago
@FuzzyWhisper ROFLMAO :-)
SanctioFides 7 months ago
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Revolution2pointO 7 months ago
Philafuckingpines lolz, im philippino and thats funny ... and true
EmoBoyWhoLuvsEmoGrls 8 months ago
Hmmm... as i am straight. all i can say sarcasticaly ...Thank you BIG Government! Ron Paul 2012! Soverigentry and freedom!
klosnoski 8 months ago
Dan is so right about the US being last with the freedom & the bravery but always first in self importance
xadam2dudex 8 months ago 4
Liberals will tell you that it is ok to be a criminal because it's part of human nature. It's ok
MJgitano 9 months ago
@MJgitano
What are you talking about? The hospital broke the law.
lulz666f 9 months ago
That also isn't the only time this happened. It was just one of the well-publicized cases. There was another very well known one in Washington that was instrumental in getting the Domestic Partnership law passed there. A woman was fatally injured in a flash flood and her partner of nine years wasn't allowed to see her before she died. Google "Charlene Strong"
Serenifly84 9 months ago
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i think australia will be last
MamaMario13 10 months ago
Personally, I feel happy whenever I encounter a homophobic douchebag online. Think about it. Only ten years ago public condemnation of gays was not only accepted, in some places it was encouraged. Now the bigots can only spread their bullshit online, with the lovely security of anonymity so that mommy doesn't hear them. They're pissing in a sea of piss, as the proverb says.
Remember, kids. It's not the best, but it's still better than it's ever been.
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catchacheater11 10 months ago
You won't be last! Australia will be last!
Neither party wants it!
ice444 11 months ago
21 knuckle dragging, homophobic douchebags were here. :|
Caterfree10 11 months ago
I can't believe this shit is even an issue. It's like "should we allow black people to sit in the same bus as white ones" all over again.
GROW UP, STUPID HUMANITY!
SexyMelon 1 year ago 66
@SexyMelon Well said! part of it is religion, but mainly the problem is fear, and also there are those who just want someone to discriminate against.
Aicirt8 11 months ago
@SexyMelon do not dare compare lgtb rights to the civil rights movement for black people. Trust me. It is a losing proposition. Black heterosexuals get offended. And they're sort of the gatekeepers as to who gets to be a member of the equality club. It's not right, but that's how it is.
MrRedFredSaid 8 months ago
@MrRedFredSaid You're making less sense than a bottled donut...
SexyMelon 8 months ago
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vechorik 3 months ago
@SexyMelon i feel sorry for people who live in the U.S.
god604 6 days ago
Look at Iceland and Icelanders, it may be bankrupt, but over there gays and lesbians can adopt, get married in a church, it voted the worlds first female president in 1980, doesn´t have an army, never been to war and 1/3 of the nation attends Gay Pride Parade for love and support..... but they have Eyjafjallajökull, so I guess the nation is too busy dealing with nature to vaste time and energy on being bigots
ArniGretar1 1 year ago 53
@ArniGretar1 We also have a lesbian Prime minister :D and our economy is rapidly recovering
efh009 7 months ago
@efh009 Iceland FTW! I've never been to your country, but it sounds like paradise, you should be proud. :)
ThatSideOfParadise 7 months ago
@ArniGretar1 look at iceland they are bankrupt lol epic. What does a bankrupt count got to lose?
G41MCombo 7 months ago
@ArniGretar1 maybe becasue iceland is gay thats why it became bankrupt, shaeds of sodom and gomorah.
SolidTube911 1 month ago
@SolidTube911 Seriously, seriously do you really think the reason Iceland is bankrupt is because of gay marriage and not an over extended economic system? are you one of these people that think natural disasters happen because gays and lesbians exist. first if your god exists don't you think he would be more concerned with all the death & destruction we cause more then how I love and second he did not destroy Sodom and Gomorrah because of gays but because of wanting to RAPE angels
Fireflygamer 3 weeks ago in playlist Dan Savage
The knuckle-dragging bigots are the ones who are down rating this video.
All humans are equally worthless and deserve the same rights.
protossenslaver 1 year ago 7
The employees at that hospital allowed a woman to die alone out of spite. They deserve to loose every single penny they have, and I hope to God that that woman saw the lawsuit through.
CanadianQueer 1 year ago 7
They pay their taxes... Why don{t you leave them be who they are?
MtraMarianelaMarrero 1 year ago
They let homosexuals serve in our military.
The government has no problem allowing a group of people to DIE for this country, but letting them admit who they are while their putting their lives on the line, or letting them get married while doing the same thing, is just too far.
This country makes me sick sometimes.
ManicTheManic 1 year ago 5
I agree that woman and kids should have seen the dying lady, that was BS.
But no one is perfect, Imagine how many people you would of offended by saying the Phili fucking ppines.... people get offended over very simple things, look at Muslins killing people and themselves over someone saying some prophet is a crock of S#*! So really you need to look at your words and not offend people and turn them against you. Look at all the damage Perez Hilton has done to the gay marriage cause.
somesillysap 1 year ago
I agree Dan, America can be so backward. Over in Holland they have gay marriage and now they are working towards 3 or more people in a marriage.
They've already had a civil Union of a man and two women there. No need to stop at just two people, really is there? If you have a group of people that love each other why cant they all be married to each other?
somesillysap 1 year ago
Dan, what you said is so true. I thank you.
Letzbehonest 1 year ago
what are they all laughing about?
luckynumber58 1 year ago
To quote Greydon Square (Dopamine Kata) "America screaming up and down we're on top, while others laugh at us."
We are so behind the curve and a great many things. We as a country need to wake the fuck up from this right wing bullshit and get back to being "We the people!"
caveman73 1 year ago
That story about that woman is really sad. I mean, it's hard to come up with a more appropriate word, as hackneyed as 'sad' is. What if they were just friends and not partners? Would the friend have been allowed to be with the other woman in this case? Just pathetic. Gay marriage harms nobody. Let people be what they want, especially if it makes them happy. I for one would prefer happy gay neighbours to hostile heterosexuals.
bartonim 1 year ago 3
I. ADORE. YOU.
Lunafirsoniasa 1 year ago
I appreciate everything he said, but as in that case in Florida, the magic word "marriage" shouldn't matter more than a fart in a hurricane. The rights equivalent to marriage should be theirs (and any other couple or group who wants to share those rights and priviledges)
"Marriage" is the barbaric church's sanctioning contract for sex. Let them have it, but then they should have to turn to the state for the equivalent rights and priviledges, like every other life-long partnering contract.
JFrazer4303 1 year ago
@JFrazer4303 This is the best description of the situation I've ever seen. Concise, poignant and well phrased. Bravo!
badnewsBH 1 year ago
"You can always count on Americans to do the right thing, after they've tried everything else."
-Winston Churchill
MarkArandjus 1 year ago
really who cares if people are gay... thats there choice...whatever makes people happy ...
theschinnersshow 1 year ago
I'm pro-gay marriage. actually more like pro any type of marriage; lesbian, polygamy etc...
but the video's "argument" based on last to do it isn't good argument. Just because other countries do it before, doesn't make it right. You should try to persuade people by philosophically providing that it's human's right and etc...
because I can say something like this. If all other countries allow rape, should USA also allow rape?
it's gotta be something that they can't backfire on you.
Pledius 1 year ago
@Pledius I cant say he was using it as an argument so much as a point.
PhoenixFirewolf 1 year ago
@PhoenixFirewolf yes but it's still weak way to support an point with it. Especially when he's telling front of people. Now when those people try to persuade others, some of them might use the 'we're the last country to do it' thing to support their idea and it won't reach into those of thick headed people who are anti-gay marriage.
maybe I'm thinking too much but I just want them to take right step every step of the way
Pledius 1 year ago
Mr savage is cool.
On another note I´m from Denmark and we have extreme data on the welfare of children from homosexual parents and they do way better on all scores compared with the children of heterosexuals(as a father I´m working to change that of course). But at least it means people really should not worry about the children. And it shows it is only about love and care no matter the sex of the parents.
JRBendixen 1 year ago
Love who you want to love.. End of.
xITwiTchYIx 1 year ago
sigh.... Why are people so stupid and ignorant. Its amazing how people today can treat other people cruelly because of a freaking book.
poestasis7 1 year ago
Always last.
Shalek 1 year ago
his story of the dying woman is bullshit, that does not happen, the lesbo was lying for profit. yes, the state of florida hates gay, what an idiot, spreading fear and hate, attack the respect of heterosexuals.
amanda601 1 year ago
@amanda601 I hate to tell you this but yes it does happen because it happened to me. My partner of eight yrs was in intensive care after suregery and i wasnt aloowed to visit him because i wasnt considered immediate family i was the one supporting him at the time since his ignorant parents kicked him out on the street for being gay because they claim its against god really? God wants us to kick our own family out on the street idont think so
bradlyboy24 11 months ago 3
I can't help but add that Brazil has a female president now. It makes me proud just as much as it makes me sad. Same goes for Argentina allowing same-sex marriages.
Sharing this with everyone I know.
katherinesixteen 1 year ago
gay marriages i dont think so they will happen may be there will be gay garriages but no marriages.
axxymax1 1 year ago
That's it Dan, win them over with anti-patriotism. Yeah you got a good point, but last I checked, America is still very much brave and free.
valegorn 1 year ago
@valegorn Yeah right, America is brave and free...... after we convince ourselves several decades later that we can be those things without cost and after we are convinced it won't ruffle anyone's feathers.
England outlawed slavery with a single vote decades before the damn Civil War. What the hell are we so proud of? We are the world's first democracy, unfortunately, thats about it.
What Dan said may be harsh and insulting, but its much more respectable than just kissing ass to be popular.
newguyout 1 year ago
@newguyout No, he had a lot of good points, I was just speaking against his obvious anti-patriotic jabs he snuck in between each good point. Yeah America isn't always the leader in civil rights, in fact he's right, America is lacking in civil rights, but if thats all you have to judge the country on well then you're missing a whole lot of other things where we are most certainly the leader in. America can't be the best at everything, this is a moot point, and it weakens Dan's argument.
valegorn 1 year ago
@valegorn The problem isn't that America "isn't always the leader in civil rights," its that America has never been the leader in any civil right. Not with gays, not with women, and the only reason that America was so quick to free the slaves was because of an executive order from Abraham Lincoln (Emancipation Proclomation) which by the way half the country hated him for doing it and the other half, most of them thought it was unnecessary. But as Dan pointed out, England had already done that.
newguyout 1 year ago
@valegorn Everybody always gets upset over "activist judges" and other people who are viewed as heathens by the right wing. But sadly, for America it seems, progress can only be done by the whims of a few, and the dummy majority will just have to keep up.
EX: Civil Rights Act of 1964 (hated by the people), Emancipation Proclamation (hated by the people), and many others.
no progress had been done by the will of the people. the whims of a few are what make the difference.
newguyout 1 year ago
@newguyout Sure, and as I said before, all good points. Its pretty obvious that America isn't the land of firsts when it comes to civil rights. One side of me thinks this is sad while the other is glad America is a little more cautious before making crazy decisions.
But like I also said before, regardless of his point, there is a big difference between pointing out America's flaws, and just talking shit about it. When you mix the two you usually weaken your argument, no matter how correct u r
valegorn 1 year ago
@valegorn I don't really think it is a respectable position to say that maybe it takes longer, but its just being cautious, so its OK.
"Sorry sir, you can't marry your gay partner of ten years because grandma and grandpa aren't quite comfortable with the idea of you two getting married, and grandpa is still wrestling with the idea of whether or not you are the devil's pawn."
Sorry, but the people are stupid. Intelligence has to sneak its way past the stupidity.
newguyout 1 year ago
@newguyout Yes, being cautious is always good. Just because all the cool kids in Europe are doing it doesn't mean America should do it too.
Personally I don't think gay people are the devils spawn, but grandma and grandpa generally have been around the block a few more times then you have.
Nobody is saying gays can't be together, you just can't get married. Until 75% of the world renounces their religion, homosexuality will always be bad.
valegorn 1 year ago
@valegorn All the "cool kids" in Europe have been doing it for about 20 years now. By the way, Canada, Argentina, and South Africa do it too. Nobody claims that it be allowed because of the cool kids. Last I checked, their argument was because it is the right thing to do.
As for grandma and grandpa.... the big advantage about being in a later generation is that you generally tend to be smarter. Sorry, but thats the truth. They don't get a pass on being ignorant simply because they faught WWII
newguyout 1 year ago
@newguyout LOL, I'd love to see some old guy pwn you if you said to him what you said to me about older people. There is no such thing as an age limit on knowledge. I'm surprised that you think they stopped learning.
Truth be told, you are flat out wrong. Older people have been around MUCH longer, that means more time to learn.
I can't debate with you about what you think is right, because we'll never reach an agreement. I think it is wrong, you don't, what else is there?
valegorn 1 year ago
@valegorn I said nothing about an age limit on knowledge. Younger generations will typically be smarter than the previous generations. Why? Because they learn not to repeat mistakes from the past. I have no clue where you got this idea that I somehow said that people stop learning when they reach old age.
Sorry, but if you think being gay should be illegal you are a dummy (not you personally).
Old soldiers never die, they get young soldiers killed.
newguyout 1 year ago
@newguyout answer to second comment;
Once again you are mistaken, if there is one thing that is true to this day, we as a race do not learn from our history. Oh how we try, but we still make the same mistakes. Its part of the human lifespan. It would be more correct to say a generation doesn't make the same mistakes, but when the next comes, it starts all over again, the proof is in the history books.
valegorn 1 year ago
@valegorn lol, really? 75%
How about 65%, 50%?
newguyout 1 year ago
@newguyout look it up on wikipedia, only 2.35% of the worlds is atheist, and another 11.92% is non religious (which means they believe in God [or something] but don't go to church or follow a particular religion)
Pretty much the majority of the other 85.73% don't condone homosexuality. Christians aren't the only faith that thinks homosexuality is wrong. I was being nice when I said 75%.
valegorn 1 year ago
@valegorn Unfortunately for all religion in America and in secular governments aroung the world, what someone's personal beliefs are don't mean squat.
Your argument that "well, more people disagree with it" is childish. Its basically the might makes right argument that doesn't pass in the free world.
newguyout 1 year ago
@newguyout Actually, in a free world the majority rules. If that seems like 'might is right' then sorry. In a free world we all vote and if the majority vote a certain way, it becomes law. That is the chief pillar of the American constitution. Adolf Hitler knew he was right in killing the jews.
And yes it does matter what someones personal beliefs matter, its with those morals we vote. They shape the world around us. Has been that way for thousands of years.
valegorn 1 year ago
@valegorn 1964 Civil Rights Act: The majority of the country had a slight disagreement.
In a free world, the majority doesn't rule everything. If the majority ruled everything, then there would be no constitution saying that there are certain things that the majority cannot do.
So yes, in Hitler's mind he knew he was right, and in response to that Winston Churchill knew he was right when he said "FUCK YOU." (not that I am saying that toward you)
newguyout 1 year ago
@newguyout exactly, which proves my point, its hard to argue with someone who thinks their right no matter what.
Also, the majority of politicians voted in the Civil Rights Act (hence majority rules), they got there with votes (from the majority). If the majority really didn't like it, they would've repealed it, or voted in different politicians that have a different view, (kinda like last November)
The majority of todays politically and voters are against gay marriage, and its still the rule
valegorn 1 year ago
@valegorn Good people "know they are right" as well. Its kind of a funny thing. When the glass is half empty, its also half full.That is why gay marriage will be legal in the next few years (its going to the supreme court within that time frame and with the justices currently on the bench it will side with gay marriage). This fight is basically already over. All thats left is politely telling the grumpy half of this country to calm the fuck down.
newguyout 1 year ago
@newguyout Things can me reversed, judges can be replaced, especially if a major majority of the country feels differently to what they have to say. I'm sorry, supreme court judges who hold th country hostage don't last very long as a judge.
valegorn 1 year ago
@valegorn In case you didn't know, there is only one Supreme Court of the United States. There are lower federal judges but they don't decide for the Supreme Court.
And a Supreme Court Justice cannot be impeached. It is a lifetime appointment. Sure, a Justice can always be replaced, but only if they want to leave, and if one did, you had better hope it isn't Scalia, Thomas, Kennedy, Alito, or Roberts (the conservatives on the bench) as Obama will remain in office for at least the next 2 years
newguyout 1 year ago
@newguyout ture, but I don't think gay marriage will ever reach that point in the next 2 years. There is a lot going on with taxes, the budget, and Obama trying like hell to keep his job.
anyways, its been nice, i have an Econ final I need to study for, Youtube has eaten too much of my soul tonight as it is.
Cheers
valegorn 1 year ago
@newguyout Oh and another thing, when we look back to America's reaction to the Emancipation Proclamation, it is crucial that we don't compare their reaction by today's standards. This is something you learn in Freshman Anthropology. It was a different culture then. So when Dan compares our culture to past American cultures and past foreign cultures he discredits himself. Regardless of how good of an observation it may be. I just don't like his "shame on us" attitude.
valegorn 1 year ago
@valegorn Not having the "shame on us" attitude would be the kissing ass problem I mentioned earlier. Sometomes you have to say what people don't want to hear.
newguyout 1 year ago
@valegorn Not having the "shame on us" attitude would be the kissing ass problem I mentioned earlier. Sometomes you have to say what people don't want to hear.
newguyout 1 year ago
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TheJorgedinis 1 year ago
I love the Oreo imagery xD
aTTypical 1 year ago
After llistening to this I am reminded of how we all struggle thinking we can make our situations viable and can sue, be angry, etc without realizing all your joking, rationalizing is ludicrous because Gods law is all there is. He is not interested in Hillary Clinton or Dans cussing thinking he is cute, all that matters is what He says. We all stand before Him in the end, and God loves us all no matter what, but you will be judged for disobeying Him. Choose life!
TheRedhead52 1 year ago
@TheRedhead52
God created Dan (and myself for that matter) in his image like we all are created in his image, now maybe you do not like all the faces God has and has created but that does not give you the right to tell us we are disobeying his laws.
the laws you mention are written by hands of mankind, the big guy did not come down in person to write it all down so please do some real research about the holy scriptures and try to understand the context it's written in.
nevyn1 1 year ago
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xkcman 1 year ago
I might be offended if I was from the Philippines
drzendoom 1 year ago
"always last with the freedom and the bravery" sad but true, you go Dan! really I don't see why an individual, perhaps someone who's older and has no family left, shouldn't be able to choose who visits them on their death bed in general. I love some of my best friends quite a lot, just as much as my dysfunctional family!
HKTeeVee 1 year ago
You can marry your girlfriend and tell everyone she is your wife, and everyone will believe you. They will be impressed and know that you two are together forever.
But if you die, she won't get to collect your life insurance. If you get hurt and need care, she won't be the one to decide what kind. When you buy a house or a car, she won't get your credit. She won't have guardianship of your children, or you of hers. If she is charged with a crime, you can be forced to testify against her. :(
viperskisses 1 year ago 2
"A South Florida health care system has changed its visitation policy to allow unmarried same-sex partners after a woman accused a Jackson Memorial Hospital worker of refusing to let her visit her dying partner in 2007.
According to Steve Rothaus at The Miami Herald, “Partners of gay and lesbian patients are now assured by Jackson Health System to have the same visiting rights as heterosexuals, according to a new Jackson policy that redefines the terms ‘family’ and ‘family member.’
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jshumate5210 1 year ago 2
What is marriage, you assholes? I don't know why anyone would want to get married!! Who ever gets married is a fucking loser in my book. Marriage is nothing but man made bullshit. Boyfriend/girlfriend playing house(knowing they're miserable) paper work,tax breaks, And boring ass love making for the rest of your miserable fucking life. God doesn't care about fucking marriage, he didn't even write the bible!! Some fucking man idiot did..Propaganda people, wake up!!!
zenlife28 1 year ago
@zenlife28 I am a woman and I want to marry my gf someday. I want to wear a wedding ring and introduce her as my wife. I live in Oregon so it's not about legal benefits. It's about showing she is not going anyplace and neither am I. It gives me such joy thinking about saying to people "This is my wife, Jennifer" and when the spouse dies people sympathize more. Society looks at you different whether people like to admit it or not.
Goobian 1 year ago 2
Gees, I have been watching alot of this guys videos and he is TOTALLY full of SHIT!! What a LIER!! Gee, I cant beleive people really listen to him!!
dolan008 1 year ago
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@dolan008 Well I certainly don't listen to people who cannot spell the word "liar."
wall0645 1 year ago
@dolan008 Take your spam some place else.
Tiptoetherat 1 year ago
@dolan008 if he is lieing point out the facts he has lied about.
Coopmueller 1 year ago
@eltrukoloco279 You need to stop telling other people what THEIR sexual orientation is, what THEY are feeling. It's bad enough you feel it's your business to tell people what to do, think and be, but you're crossing the line when you take over their minds and insist YOU know better than they about THEIR own thoughts.
YOU are YOU, and NOT ALL other people. Get hold of REALITY, because you're traveling in undiscovered parts of the universe with your disproportionately small brain!
schlummieleinchen 1 year ago
Ahahah! This is awesome! And a little emabrasing for every flag-loving American
1982mockingbird1982 1 year ago
If these gays think the public supports their marrage rights then why can't they win at the ballot box? Even the most blue states don't support it!
g55coffia 1 year ago
@g55coffia The tide is turning, that was one of the points Dan made. Every year mroe and more people side with gay rights. That's why there is such a big push for DOMAs...the anti gay groups are trying to lock in anti gay measures because they know the laws are not long for this world. Yes..its still 40/60% but 20 years ago it was more like 2/98%....think about it.
Tiptoetherat 1 year ago
This should be a non-issue. We are all human. We all bleed red. All that matters is that we are human. God created all of us, and yes, he created gay people, too. Your sexual orientation, your skin color, your gender shouldn't matter as long as you are a good person who preaches love and strives to live a good life without hurting people. All the bigots who hurt others with their hatred are the real sinners. It's too bad that they're blind to it. They'll be the ones burning in hell. SLOWLY.
Maggie2515 1 year ago 47
@Maggie2515 and he created criminals too you gonna say? stupid moron
litia 1 year ago
@litia Of course not. He only created perfect people like you.
Maggie2515 1 year ago
@litia That was sarcasm, btw. Not sure if you're smart enough to realize that, so I thought I'd clarify.
Maggie2515 1 year ago
@Maggie2515 Yes and my answer was also sarcasm, btw. because your post is full of shit, god didn't create gay people just like he didn't create criminals.
litia 1 year ago
@litia Stop arguing. This might be an argument worth having when we have evidence that God exists. Until then, it's not.
Meanman332 1 year ago
@Meanman332 if there was evidence that god existed, it would be called science and not religion, genius.
litia 1 year ago
@litia Incorrect. Not everything with evidence backing it up is called science, it's just called true.
Meanman332 1 year ago
@Maggie2515 that's the problem. THERE AIN'T NO GOD and his "holy book" is the main reason for homophobia
oakaveli 1 year ago
@oakaveli well not really, how do you explain homophobia in countries where they dont read the bible? I think there would still be homophobia around the world if the bible never existed.
Homosexuality is generational, in ancient Roman times it was prolific and then it died down, now its made a comeback thru pornography. Its always been around but it comes and goes in different countries with different generations. When the New World Order takes over who knows what attitudes will be like?
somesillysap 1 year ago
@Maggie2515 in your attempt to find some sort of solidarity between people, you unknowingly alienated atheists.
Richy15251 1 year ago
@Richy15251 Funnily enough, I am an atheist, but I've noticed no one listens to you when you say that. Cheers!
Maggie2515 1 year ago
I'm Christian and in favor of gay rights! Anyone else agree?
Walnut1871 1 year ago 2
HEY LIES ABOUT EVERYTHING!!
dolan008 1 year ago
@dolan008 Lies about what? The fact that Margret Thatcher was the British Prime Minister, or the that Slavery ended with a vote in the UK.? Everything he said was fact.
TMBrd89 1 year ago
Thank you Dan! You are a great voice for the Gay & Lesbian community.
StaunchComic 1 year ago 13
LMAO! You are brilliant!!
Freefromreligion7 1 year ago
Australians in polls say "yes let gay couples marry" at around 60-70% , but both major parties refuse to even consider it and both supported legislating against it in 2004 due to them being in the pocket of the catholic church. Our only hope is the smaller parties forcing change in exchange for votes...I think its a race to see who will be last between us, you and Iran!
mhdickson 1 year ago
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bigboyhunter1 1 year ago
as soon as the case for same sex marriage goes thru the appeals court it will go to the US Supreme Court where same sex marriage will be struck down nationwide and all laws allowing same sex marriage nationwide will be ruled unconstitutional..the case against prop 8 is a set up to get the case to the right wing SC
xadam2dudex 1 year ago
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nicely put. if i was American you'd have my support. at its ruit though religion is the stem that poisons this world. if we can shake them of then maybe we have a chance to be a positive culture on this planet as opposed to a nasty infection which looking at all these natural disasters weve been getting across the world will not be long befor the planet shakes us off like the bad cold weve become.
tiamatefalco2 1 year ago
nicely put. if i was American you'd have my support. at its ruit though religion is the stem that poisons this world. if we can shake them of then maybe we have a chance to be a positive culture on this planet as opposed to a nasty infection which looking at all these natural disasters weve been getting across the world will not be long befor the planet shakes us off like the bad cold weve become.
tiamatefalco2 1 year ago
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bigboyhunter1 1 year ago
I love you Dan!
firedryer 1 year ago 2
Gotta love Dan. When he's right, HE IS RIGHT!! America always wants to pat itself on the back for being innovative and original when in reality we are anything but.
gramps2matt 1 year ago 18
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RB13240 1 year ago 3
I like Dan Savage and I like how he says it. The anecdotal story about what happened in Florida is true, real and should be told. Yet the opposition has the same power. Silly stupid ass homos who break the law to intimidate people who are politically opposed to liberalism/progressivism and in turn the "homosexual agenda". The problem occurs when the homosexual community can't see the same situation in others. It's too self centered and it doens't help ever.
dudeofdixie 1 year ago