1)your jesus is brother to lucifer. Christian's Jesus is his creator. 2)your jesus is exalted man. Christian's Jesus is God Himself 3)your jesus born of virgin birth but impregnated by immortal man. Christian's Jesus - God incarnate begotten of the Holy Spirit 4)your god attained his "godhood" Christian's God has always been God. 5)your jesus' blood doesn't cover all sins. Christian's Jesus' blood covers ALL sin. - Your beliefs are in direct contradiction with the Word of God
@technodoofus "It's easy to see the dif between one who peacefully discusses a subject and one who insults with hatred. Which one do you think is more likely to be in tune with the Holy Ghost?"
that is an ad hominem attack. when you run out of arguments you focus on irrelevant details of the person, not answering simple questions. That tactic is cowardly. Why hide when there is no danger?
I am bold because i know what i am saying. I answer you with scripture like jesus answered the devil.
Although I dont identify myself as christian today, when i was younger, i learned a handy way to spot christian cults. ADD SUBTRACT MULTIPLY DIVIDE. They ADD to the bible's words and requirements for salvation. SUBTRACT from who Jesus was. MULTIPLY with attempts to gain more numbers and DIVIDE from other christian denominations and say they are the sole faction that has it right.
Again,not trying to be "attacking" god forbid free speech offends someone, but this is so tecnodoofus
Well, that is nice of you. nuthreatmediaphx on the other hand is making himself look stupid enough for both of us. I know exactly where his heart is and he knows I do also. This is why I won't discus this anymore with him and why he still attacks me. But that is ok. Those who declare religious truths will always get attacked by the other side. If it were not so then it probably isn't true. But I assure you what I've said is true. though some christians stumble, I do not.
PM me if you want to discuss this anymore. I'm glad to. I'm done posting in the this thread. I'm sure the nut will continue to post here though because he has an agenda to keep, which is to spread lies and cause confusion to Christians. Christ taught that you can always know the tree by it's fruit. It's easy to see the dif between one who peacefully discusses a subject and one who insults with hatred. Which one do you think is more likely to be in tune with the Holy Ghost?
@tecnolover2642 "I'm sure the nut will continue to post here though because he has an agenda to keep, which is to spread lies and cause confusion to Christians." haha im not even religious, you nut. I'm quoting direct passages from the bible, people can read and see what a cheap fraud you are. If you had a dust mite's worth of knowledge about greek and hebrew and aramaic grammar, or a translinear bible you would drop your silly show the second you realized how juvenile your logic is.
@thegarett3 good me either. im trying to make him accountable for the words he puts out there. its one thing to say he believes jesus was a liar and is not god, its another thing to outright LIE and say "christians dont believe jesus is god." when thats the sole qualifier that makes a christian a christian.
If he chooses to run from the direct questions he is asked, and lie without backing up his points, he makes himself look bad enough.
@nuthreatmediaphx You don't seem interested in learning or discussing, but seem more full of hatred which isn't Christ-like at all. You didn't learn this from Christ, that is for sure. If you didn't learn it from Christ then who did you learn it from? I'll tell you. You learned it from Satan. He put it in your heart. Now if you want to learn if Christ is the Son of God, why don't you pray and ask God? You will not because Satan has you and compels you to not pray at all. I am done
No, the qualifier is that you believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God. How many scriptures do you not understand from the bible anyway?? How about these from Mathew chap 16:
15He (Jesus) saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
John 8:58 - Jesus says "Before Abraham was, I AM". His audience understood exactly what he was claiming about himself. "So they took up stones to throw at him; but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple" (John 8:59).
In what other context, what possible other way, could that sentence get a man killed? HE SAID HE WAS GOD. he said it alot. wake up
Not all Christians are confused as you and many others. Reading the bible makes it very clear that Jesus is the Son of God. When he was baptized by John the Baptist, the voice of the Father spoke from above testifying saying "This is my beloved Son in whom I'm well pleased". It doesn't get much more understandable than that!! Jesus is the Son of God. God is his Father. Jesus prays to his father in the garden & speaks to his father on the cross. Its very clear
So what is the Holy Trinity? They are the Father (God), the Son (Jesus Christ) and the Holy Ghost (the Spirit of God). The Holy Ghost is that power thru which God communicates with man and also the means by which Mary conceived of Christ in the womb. These three make up the "Holy Trinity" and work together in purpose in all things and also testify of each other separately.
@tecnolover2642 "So what is the Holy Trinity? They are the Father (God), the Son (Jesus Christ) and the Holy Ghost (the Spirit of God). "
if you really care enough, and it's not just a public show, prove it, my inbox is open, i would love to have you show me your references .
if not, shut up, you're obnoxious. You need a little more experience and obviously, a few more books. You have NO idea what you are talking about! You act like the metaphysical fits in the palm of your hand,u quack
@tecnolover2642 Paul tells us Jesus "..is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible,.. all things were created by him, and for him.."Col 1:15-17
@tecnolover2642 John 8:58: Jesus declared, "I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM. " Again, in response, the Jews take up stones in an attempt to stone Jesus. Why stone Jesus if He hadn’t said something blasphemous, namely, a claim to be God? see also john 4:26, 8:24,8:58,and 13:19.
it's one thing to say you're not christian, whatever who cares? but to lie and say jesus never said he was god? that's so transparently fraudulent, and completely defies belief. the verses are right there kook
I am sorry that you are so confused. It's sad. Jesus taught that not only did his Father send him but that same God is also our father in heaven. Jesus always spoke of his Father. Have you read the New Testament? Jesus prays to his Father even on the cross. Jesus prays "Father forgive them for they know not what they do", "Father, into they hands I commend my spirit".
Are you so confused to think he was praying to himself?! I suggest you study more.
@tecnolover2642 When Jesus, the eternal Son of God, took upon Himself sinless humanity He also took on the form of a servant, giving up His heavenly glory (Philippians 2:5-11). As the God-man, He had to learn obedience (Hebrews 5:8) to His Father as He was tempted by Satan, accused falsely by men, rejected by His people, and eventually crucified. His praying to His heavenly Father was to ask for power (John 11:41-42) and wisdom (Mark 1:35, 6:46)....
@tecnolover2642His praying showed His dependence upon His Father in His humanity to carry out His Father's plan of redemption, as evidenced in Christ's high priestly prayer in John 17. His praying demonstrated that He ultimately submitted to His Father's will, which was to go to the cross and pay the penalty (death) for our breaking God's law (Matthew 26:31-46)...
@tecnolover2642 Of course, He rose bodily from the grave, winning forgiveness and eternal life for those who repent of sin and believe in Him as the Savior.
@tecnolover2642 f. 28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of tthe Father's hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”
Both you and the other confused person I've replied to have used this same bible reference now and so it seems this is were your confusion comes from,, John 10 [30] "I and my FATHER are one." You have both interpreted this verse in John 10 to mean Jesus is his own Father?? Even when Christ constantly talks about his father in the second person?! Do you think Jesus came here to confuse man with such nonsense? NO he did not! He was very clear.
@tecnolover2642 "You have both interpreted this verse in John 10 to mean Jesus is his own Father?"
again more ignorance. You really have to learn to get your head around the concept that(according to christianity) the supernatural world is not limited by the same laws as the physical world. You have GOT to be kidding with "jesus is his own father?" this is stuff even kids can comprehend.
"confuse man with such nonsense? " you seem to be one of the few still hung up and confused so badly.
Jesus Christ(Son of God) and God (the Father) have the same purpose, they are of one mind. Like father like son. If I say you and I are of one mind, does that mean I'm saying you and I are the same person?? No, of course it does not. It means you and I think the same, we have the same motives, the same agenda etc, etc.
I agree with nearly everything you posted, until you misinterpret that last verse to mean they are the same person. They are separate beings.
When Jesus was baptized the Father(God) spoke from heaven say "This is my beloved son". He testified in voice to everyone. Do you know what "The only Begotten of the Father" means? It means the Jesus Christ is the ONLY son conceived by God and born in the flesh. Man has been born entirely of earthy parents. Christ was not because Mary conceived as a virgin, knowing no man and the conception was divine by the power of the Holy Ghost.
What is said is that Jesus is the Son of God. He is not God the Father who we are to worship. If you want to believe that Jesus was a god that is fine and probable since he was born half god. Half a god because his father was God and half man because his mother was a mortal woman (Mary). But do not make the mistake to think Jesus is his Father! Jesus spoke very clearly and taught very plainly and didn't come to earth to confuse man. That is satan's doing.
@tecnolover2642 What about The verses "the Word was God"?...all things were created through Him....what does that mean? How can you explain that away?...
"And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth; we have beheld his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father."
There is nothing to explain away. Only to explain. Don't you understand that Christ and his father work together? They are one in purpose, mind and even image yet Christ is the son of his father, not the father of himself. John is saying that Christ, who is the only begotten son of God, helped create the earth with God.
@tecnolover2642 you missed the earlier verses..."In the beginning, the Word was with God, and the Word was God"...so if he is talking about Jesus then...that means Jesus was with God...and Jesus was God...
I didn't miss that part. That is precisely why I said Christ helped create the earth with God. This is what John's verse is teaching us. I know you are taking it to mean Christ is God, but he is not. He is the Son of God. His father is God. Christ never declares himself to be God anywhere in the bible. That would be blaspheme to his father who is God. When Christ was among us he even taught us how we are to pray to the father. He didn't teach us to pray to himself.
"I know you are taking it to mean Christ is God, but he is not."
wow. and you say such beliefs are "christian" in nature? i'm sorry that's a fringe cult. nothing more, nothing less.
"Christ never declares himself to be God anywhere in the bible. " that was special. How come you can't answer to all the verses presented but just try to distract and change the subject?
ironic. you can look right at all those verses and somehow miss the point THAT bad.
@tecnolover2642 Jesus was a half God? where does it say that in the Bible?... "our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,"...Paul says our Great God and Savior....so Jesus is God...
@tecnolover2642 But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back for yourself part of the proceeds of the land? 4 While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? Why is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.”...He implies that the Holy Spirit is God as well...
@tecnolover2642 "If Jesus is God, then he must have prayed to himself while he was on earth." But the answer to this objection lies in simply applying what we have already seen...While Jesus and the Father are both God, they are different Persons....Thus, Jesus prayed to God the Father without praying to Himself....
@tecnolover2642 If there is one passage which most clearly brings all of this together, it is Matthew 28:19: "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit."...First, notice that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinguished as distinct Persons...We baptize into the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. ........
@tecnolover2642 Second, notice that each Person must be deity because they are all placed on the same level. In fact, would Jesus have us baptize in the name of a mere creature?... Surely not....Therefore each of the Persons into whose name we are to be baptized must be deity....
@tecnolover2642 Third, notice that although the three divine Persons are distinct, we are baptized into their name (singular), not names (plural)....The three Persons are distinct, yet only constitute one name....This can only be if they share one essence....
@tecnolover2642 "f you want to believe that Jesus was a god that is fine and probable since he was born half god. Half a god because his father was God and half man..."
again more ignorance. the correct ratio is 100% god and 100% man. Your lack of simple language comprehension is the main reason you fail to understand such BASIC concepts.
And yes "Jesus spoke very clearly " when he said "before Abraham was, I AM" and hundreds of other times like that. Please look up ancient meaning of 'I AM'
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, ... " It doesn't get more plain to understand than this. I have just explained what "only begotten Son" means. Jesus constantly talks and teaches of his Father in heaven whom we are to worship and glorify. That is God. Christ is not telling us to worship him and glorify him. Math 5 [16] Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your FATHER which is in heaven.
@tecnolover2642 "For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-- all things have been created through Him and for Him."...
@tecnolover2642 God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. 1 Timothy 3:16
there you go, the whole foundation of your weak "father and son." LOOKS LIKE HERE EITHER WAY, HE'S SAYING HE'S GOD! i really can't believe there's fringe groups like this that preach cult BS that jesus didnt claim to be god. COMPLETE amateurs
Dude, your own scripture reference proves my entire point! Wow!
It's so blatantly obvious yet you don't even see it.
When a person says "my father" that implies he is the son! Two people!
OMG.,, what is so confusing to you?? Christ is saying that him and his father are one. Meaning "like father like son". You've never heard that saying? Christ has the same purpose, agenda etc as his father. He's saying they are family!
"Jesus said, “Man, thy sins are forgiven thee” (Luke 5:20). And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, Who is this which speaketh blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone? (Luke 5:21). "
for many,many,many,many years, the ENTIRE church has been centered around the core belif that jesus IS god. recently, people with way too much meth on their hands conjure up that jesus never said he's god... quacks
That was the Pharisees speaking and reasoning. They were a bunch of hypocrites who knew nothing of heaven. Christ, being the Son of God not only could forgive sins like his Father but is the means by which our sins can be forgiven!! It's called the Atonement. Sound familiar?
Jesus never once claims he is God! Find me one scripture by any prophet or apostle where Jesus claims he is God!! You won't find one. None! Zero! Zilch! He told Peter he was the Son of God.
This vid is lame,,,Christians don't believe Jesus is God!!! What a load of crap. All christians who read the bible know Jesus is the Son of God not God! God is the father. Christ prayed to the father in Gethsemene and on the cross,, he specifically addresses Him as "Father".
I have a wonderful message for you Anti-Mormons. Stop commenting on videos about us. Go bother Jehovah witnesses you creeps. Thanks for listening. Also lay off with the harsh comments i am only 16.
" Faith without works is dead! " you believe in Jesus Christ follow in his footsteps. its all faith that we believe in him. example: strive to be like his, live the Bible, listen and ponder to what you hear that is right, love one another, live the 10 commandments, repent. without this the atonement of Jesus Christ is in vain!!!! step up the the plate, that that believe and dont do anything
okay...who was the idiot that blocked my view of this video with his/her view?!!!! in search of my own truth and i dont need you contaminating MY attempt to find MY truth!!!! youve found your tuth let me find mine.
Your religion is a scam, and native americans are not descendants of jews, you don't translate by using seer stones and looking into a hat, & hebrews would use hebrew to write and not 'reformed egyptian' Joseph smith admitted to recieving revelations from the devil when he sent 2 men to Canada to sell the copyright 4 the book of mormon and they didn't. He was wrong about 60 of his 65 'prophecies', he married 11 other mens wives, 2-14 year olds and hid his polygamy. He was an evil conman & perv
@canadianbacon007 No it's not mormon is anti-christain this video is write and if you just press the annotatiion button at the bottom you can get rid of the annoying mormon lies
@andy18401 DAMN! this guy is on the side of the mormons, yet people like you are so confused by mormon teachings you get mad when other mormons try to say that anti-mormon info is wrong. It must be hard to keep pretending your religion isn't a scam.
Here's a good one, if the mormons reversed their claim that 'dark skin is a curse' and allow non-whites into their cult, then that's proof that the teachings that lasted for 150 years are a damnable lie and proves that joe's myth is a LIAR.
Joseph Smith was a charlatan who conned many good people into believing that the Book of Mormon is true. That the Book of Abraham is true. He was a pernicious conman whose ways of deceptions are carried on today.
Christ's Church is built on a rock that has existed since Christ established it
It is the work of the devil to say that his church required to be re-established.
Any thing which contradicts Jesus is of the devil and Joseph Smith is of the devil, one lie after another.
Yes that rock is REVELATION, without apostles ordained to the priesthood by Christ to receive the will of God through revelation how do ". . . we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;" (Ephesians 4:14) ?
No priesthood means no protection from false teachings! Where are your Apostles and Prophets to lead you?
i believe in the true church of god and that is the church of jesuschrist of latter days saints. nothing can go over god and truth faith i beg god for your forgiveness i really do.
What about when lorenzo snow started really pushing the word of wisdom and it suddenly became a commandment neccesary for salvation, when right there in the first verse it says, NOT BY WAY OF COMMANDMENT. How did you guys miss that? Does that make the LDS church Creedal mormons? hmm.. Hold on what? Hinckley substaintied the 2 Jesus claim?! When he says the "Christ" of which he speaks!? I always belived there was the one "Christ" revealed, 2010 years ago, is he saying that wasn't him? INSANITY
AS an Anti-Mormon the 2 Jesus thing kinda pisses me off. There's 1 Jesus, Jesus. Most Christians are unaware of how dyer the spirtual state of affairs within mormonism are. They cannot see this organization has essentially high-jacked YOUR relationship with Christ and then twists and contorts your undertanding to believe whatever they tell you. I'm looking forward to the P of GP segment, I can't wait to see ur justifcation on such a clear piece of evidence of JS not being a prophet.
Its funny to see you sarcasticly write these evangelicals and claim they're interprtation is the only proper understanding, when mormonism actually makes that claim! Ironic!? Christians have faith so mighty they can accept that GOD has the power to make something from nothing. Mormonism continualy doubts the supremity of GOD with many strange doctrines, like blood attonment, as well as sole creator. Lets follow the logic, how did he get all this matter here? Where did he get in the first place?
"Its funny to see you sarcasticly write these evangelicals and claim they're interprtation is the only proper understanding, when mormonism actually makes that claim! Ironic!? "
@TOMZAUGG "Mormonism continualy doubts the supremity of GOD with many strange doctrines, like blood attonment, as well as sole creator. "
Despite a number of rhetorical statements by LDS leaders in the late 1850s, there is no evidence that anyone was "blood atoned" at the orders of Brigham Young or any other general authority.
HAHAHA, We learned about it in Seminary! The idea of spilling the blood of someone who had gravely sinned. There's all kinds of evidence when ur not being willfully blind.
I never said it wasn't mentioned, I said it was never practiced.
Unlike the rest of Christianity, we never burned people at the stake, or hung them for witchcraft, or butchered millions Jews, Muslims, or anyone else who got in our way. Still want to to defend Christianity??
Contemporary claims for such actions uniformly come from anti-Mormon books and newspapers with lurid titles such as The Destroying Angels of Mormondom[1] and Abominations of Mormonism Exposed
Cause the church would want the members to know of a doctrine so perverse right? The same way IBM and COKE go around telling all of us how heavily involved they were in the WW2 German war machine.
"Cause the church would want the members to know of a doctrine so perverse right? The same way IBM and COKE go around telling all of us how heavily involved they were in the WW2 German war machine"
Now you know how I feel about you mentioning you were Canadain too.....
"Lets follow the logic, how did he get all this matter here? Where did he get in the first place?"
Yes lets follow the logic.
Where did he get in the first place?"
He got it in the first place because it always "EXISTED", just like He always existed, and all things always existed, or they wouldn't be around to begin with.
"Nothing existed before creation", has got to be the most moronic creed Christianity ever came up with.
I always find it ironic when a Mormon says something is unbiblical, something from nothing is a point of faith. Yours is weak, so your a Mormon, I get it.
Well I worship the one TRUE God, the great I am, the light, the God of Abraham. What kinda screwy GOD are you worshiping, cause it sounds like a man, with a body of flesh and blood concocted from the tales of a man who had lust for power and his own self interest. Are you looking forward to when you have people on your own planet worshiping you?
When I read 2 Cor 4, I was impressed by the dilligent service these men sought to provide. 13"I belived, and therefore have I spoken; we also belive and therefore speak" Your take on 18 seems like a stretch. In my reading, in the context of the whole chapter, I interpted this as the gospel, THE labour of love. And in 15-17 the inference is that GOD strengthens them through Love. SO in 18 when they say the see the unseen they may mean they feel and emote to percieve, which is the gospel. Love.
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them
It is the simple truths that comprise the Gospel, not strange and divers doctrines, So i'm glad you think my interpretation of the chapter is simplistic, almost like a child's.
Can you please explain to me then Ephesians 2:8? It clearly states that you are saved solely by the grace of God, and not by works, so that no one can boast. So why do you guys claim to not add anything to the Bible, yet totally twist everything around?
Yes.. BUT. Good works alone does NOT get you into heaven. You are only saved by the grace of God. Good works are exactly that, good works. Not necesary though to go to heaven.
Mormon scriptures and leaders speak for themselves: god the Father is a temporal creation; a man. After following all of the commandments, the father became a god (was not always God). As a polygamist, a requirement for exaltation, the father, named "Elohim" has to literally have sex with his wives to create spirit children which will later have natural births on Earth. Jesus is one such creation. The 'Holy Spirit' is supposedly a god but doesn't have his own world and is a spirit w/out a body.
all you need is love. love is all you need. jesus is no more power then you or me because the only power worth having is love, lets drop down the books and learn peace just IMAGINE all the people living as one, well ahah you may say i am a dreamer (and a lennon fan) but i hope someday you'll join us
because you should read better my friend, Jesus in Luke 24:39 says to be not afraid because a spirit doesn't have a body as you see me have...so, the apostles were afraid because they thought of him as a spirit, since all the doors were locked and to make them understand that he was not a spirit but with a body he told them to touch HIS body...Jesus was with no doubt with his body and if you dont agree I will remind you that the tomb was empty when John and Peter went to check it out... ;)
about john 4:24, yes, God is a spirit, but in other scriptures is a fire or water and God describes hiself in many ways...but this thing of John 4:24 is just one of the biggest misunderstanding ever...all the thologist worldwide know that in this scripture jesus was not explaining the nature of God, but only how we have to worship him..in spirit...a God of spirit must be worshipped in spirit, but yet we have a body, but we are asked to worship in spirit...
the truth is, mormon or not that all this anti propaganda, for any church is just non sense...with all the evil in the world, with all of those people suffering there is a gospel that teaches to love all the people no matter what or who they are and "christaians" have the time to attack churches and believers?? this is simply disgusting...believe in what you believe and make others believe what they want...what the world needs is not who is wrong or right but LOVE...
I have spent countless hours studying Joseph Smith and the church and this is full of lies and hand-me-down anti-Mormon propoganda. That's the way anti-Mormons work. It's all the same tired, made up stories respun for a new age and time. The Book of Mormon is the corner stone of the Mormon church. To prove the church is false you have to prove the Book of Mormon is false. Not one person has or can do that... So they attack Joseph Smith and the other prophets of the church.
On the contrary. Just as with the true gospel of Christ this is the same because it is true unlike the changing doctrine of the church. Many have and continue to prove the BOM is false and have created sufficient evidence to validate Joseph Smith as a false prophet seer and revelatory.
I am a born again christian. I had two mormons come to my house and I asked "If I do not believe that the Mormon church is the only way, then will I go to hell?" their reply was no. I just ask, why do we need joseph smith, when we have Gods perfect word? I just dont get it.
Mosiah 3:8 And he shall be called Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Father of heaven and earth, the Creator of all things from the beginning; and mother shall be called Mary. - The Book of Mormon.
I tend to agree, MrChristianrocker777. Joseph didn't die for the sake of man. Jesus Christ did. Joseph Smith died for the sake of Jesus Christ and His gospel.
Sinners think NOTHING at all, of TITHING over 100% the devil, in the form of cigarettes, booze, drugs, hookers, GAMBLING, Defense Attorneys, Bribes, and more.. THEN, GOD SAVES them, cleans them up, and DRAWS them to CHURCH. Then, all of a sudden they're INSTANT EXPERTS on TITHING, and WON'T even give GOD TEN Percent; when they used to give ALL of their money to the devil, and then borrow or steal more money, to gamble with, and buy more booze and drugs with. What's WRONG with THIS PICTURE??
One lady didn't find out, until her husband died, that he really was NOT a War HERO; which was the MAIN REASON she gave in to him, Married him, and even had his children. She said she Felt like she was RAPED. It's a real SHOCK, when you DISCOVER that the LDS Church REALLY is a COUNTERFEIT, from satan. Doctrine of Demons, (1 Timothy 4:1) with its own Seducing Spirit(s). They might MEAN well, but they are still spreading a lie, that won't save ANYONE from Eternal Hell Fire. JESUS REALLY IS GOD.
Once you're BORN AGAIN, it is EVIDENT in THE EYES. i saw an OLD PICTURE of the FIRST Mormon leaders, and they had the LOOK of PURE EVIL on their faces, and NOT the LOVE, and WARMTH of THE REAL JESUS. The Mormon church is about the BEST church out there, BUT, WE ALL DIE, and then we all stand in front of a HOLY GOD. If GOD sees SIN on us, HE simply CASTS ALL SIN and WICKEDNESS into HELL. You DON'T have to murder anyone to go to hell, just DIE in YOUR SINS. BUT, you will find out, WAY TOO LATE.
There are some Questions that You should accept that they will never be answered. Our intelligence has a limitation. God's Intelligence is has no limitation.
Mormons came to my door the other day. They come bearing what they call the christian message, focusing mostly on baptism. But baptism its self means nothing if you just going through the motions. Once you get to heaven and God asks you what you did with his son, and you say "hey i splashed water on myself, i'm saved, let me dwell with you" he's going to say no. Yes, Jesus himself as saved, but John the Baptist said there will be one who comes after me who will baptize with fire/holy spirit.
Thats right, the Holy ghost is offered to all of us, we just have to invite him in, and he's so good. Amazingly enough in the New Testmeent Peter talks about how the holy spirit was offered to even gentiles--not just Hebrewic Jews/Christians. We have that great opportunity as well. Were called to live by the spirit as children of light. Amen
If God is the uncreated creator, then how did he create himself in the form of Jesus given the common understanding of the hypostatic union., the Trinity?
Mormon faith is contradictory to the Christian faith that has been understood for the past 2000 yrs. They both cant be right? Aristotles law of non contraditcion applies here! Sadly Mormons and other cults born out of the rebelion (protestant reformation) lack a sense of logical pattern. God bless the 2000 yr old church.
"God bless the 2000 yr old church" which has been an apostate one for at least 1700 years. That's an irrefutable historical fact! Pick up a history book.
May I suggest Dr. Bart Ehrman for the beginner! HE use to be a member of the 2000 year old church...if He was a member of the restored gospel, he would have found answers to the questions he found through scholarly research.
And Christs' birth/life received the most opposition by 'orthodox' beliefs...remember the Jews? Yeah, they crucified Him...What should matter is not what is commonly held as the truth due to tradition--but a willingness to submit to His will...tradition is second to the living water, the gospel of Jesus Christ--that ought to be our tradition: obedience and submission--not leaning unto our own understanding.
Don't be a drone, or a sheep. You don't need to pay an organization to be close to God. We aren't born owing debts to a long-since-dead martyr. Do your own research however and wherever you can. Establish your own relationship with spirituality and God. It's your own right...to use...or to give a way. Think about it.
Right, because God is a Capitalist too, right? BULLSH*T. No other man, woman, or book can interpret the God of Will for me, and I wouldn't presume to for you either.
"YOU don't need to pay an organization to be close to God'
IS this not what you accused me of doing? "No other man, woman, or book can interpret the will of God for me..."
You characterize MY belief of paying tithing as giving my money to a corrupt organization--I defend what I know is God's will for ME, and you respond by saying that I cannot tell you what God's will is for you...what? That my friend, is BS.
I haven't accused you specifically of anything. I'm attacking the rhetoric of your religion. If you attach your identity to that, that's all on you. If you were so confident, you would not be so combative.
"Well, tithing is His will"
All I'm saying is what man commands the ethos to presume to tell me what the Will of God is? It's a curious principle to me that a follower must pay tithing in order to reap the full benefits of the religion, i.e. for instance being sealed in the Temple. Period.
I must admit, of all the theological mythologies from all known periods of time in all the parts of the world, the mormon belief system is by far among the most rationally, and intellectually unfounded, and rhetorically deceitful. It is presumptuous in it's teaching, littered with subtle elements of occultism and 'folk magic', with echoes of paganism and other much older belief systems and secret societies embedded just under the surface.
the thing about taking things out of text is you do not understand what the story or the talk is about. if you were to go on and read the certain book it would make sense
where can you find in the bible that Jesus and Lucifer are brothers? to think that Christ is simply our and Lucifer's elder brother in some supposed pre-earth life is blasphemous devaluing of Christ's divine nature. Christ may rightly be referred to as a brother in our humanity, but in addition to that, He is our Creator... and not simply of our bodies (col 1:16) open your spiritual eyes.... WAKE UP!
Joseph Smith was a con artist,a paedophile,a bigamist,and a murderer who created his own religion out of a mixture of christianity,islam the corruption of christianity and freemasonry ritual.After his death this was developed further by another con artist,paedophile,bigamist. and murderer who tried to carve out his own little thiefdom called Deseret seperate from the United States Of America.
Amen! Wonderful video the whole DVD is amazing. When the LDS watch this hopefully it will plant seeds and eventually they will be lead to Jesus Christ. The Jesus of Mormonism is not the Jesus Christ of the Bible. When you are following a false Jesus you have no hope of salvation.
Cindy- I know more about the LDS religion than your averge Christian. Why would anyone want anything that isn't of God to stay in their heads? "One ear and out the other", yup that is exactly what someone should do with any message the LDS Church has to offer.
By grace, you are saved. It sounds a lot better then you are saved by grace after all you can do. I don't have to look to the temple for my salvation; I look to the cross of Jesus Christ. I don't have to do temple ordinances to reconcile myself to God. I look to the cross, to the work Jesus did for all of us. The cross reconciles us to the Father not temple rituals.
''Born Agains'' haven't got leg to stand on and they know it. The bible flaws their nonsence.
If they think all they have to do is believe and they're saved, they are in for a big supprise.
FAITH WITH OUT WORKS IS DEAD.
MrMFHORN 7 hours ago
Mormon doctrine is anti christian
jayhawk88z 2 weeks ago
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jayhawk88z 2 weeks ago
Proverbs chapter 8:22-36 is Jesus talking about how he was the first creation of God. He also helped God=Jehovah, to make all other things.
eternityandforever 2 months ago
More '''born again'' crap.
MrMFHORN 2 months ago
@MrMFHORN Joseph Smith crap
jayhawk88z 10 hours ago
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1)your jesus is brother to lucifer. Christian's Jesus is his creator. 2)your jesus is exalted man. Christian's Jesus is God Himself 3)your jesus born of virgin birth but impregnated by immortal man. Christian's Jesus - God incarnate begotten of the Holy Spirit 4)your god attained his "godhood" Christian's God has always been God. 5)your jesus' blood doesn't cover all sins. Christian's Jesus' blood covers ALL sin. - Your beliefs are in direct contradiction with the Word of God
badgarcia 6 months ago
@technodoofus "It's easy to see the dif between one who peacefully discusses a subject and one who insults with hatred. Which one do you think is more likely to be in tune with the Holy Ghost?"
that is an ad hominem attack. when you run out of arguments you focus on irrelevant details of the person, not answering simple questions. That tactic is cowardly. Why hide when there is no danger?
I am bold because i know what i am saying. I answer you with scripture like jesus answered the devil.
nuthreatmediaphx 8 months ago
Although I dont identify myself as christian today, when i was younger, i learned a handy way to spot christian cults. ADD SUBTRACT MULTIPLY DIVIDE. They ADD to the bible's words and requirements for salvation. SUBTRACT from who Jesus was. MULTIPLY with attempts to gain more numbers and DIVIDE from other christian denominations and say they are the sole faction that has it right.
Again,not trying to be "attacking" god forbid free speech offends someone, but this is so tecnodoofus
nuthreatmediaphx 8 months ago
@nuthreatmediaphx I'm not trying to make him feel stupid...
thegarett3 8 months ago
@thegarett3
Well, that is nice of you. nuthreatmediaphx on the other hand is making himself look stupid enough for both of us. I know exactly where his heart is and he knows I do also. This is why I won't discus this anymore with him and why he still attacks me. But that is ok. Those who declare religious truths will always get attacked by the other side. If it were not so then it probably isn't true. But I assure you what I've said is true. though some christians stumble, I do not.
tecnolover2642 8 months ago
@thegarett3
PM me if you want to discuss this anymore. I'm glad to. I'm done posting in the this thread. I'm sure the nut will continue to post here though because he has an agenda to keep, which is to spread lies and cause confusion to Christians. Christ taught that you can always know the tree by it's fruit. It's easy to see the dif between one who peacefully discusses a subject and one who insults with hatred. Which one do you think is more likely to be in tune with the Holy Ghost?
tecnolover2642 8 months ago
@tecnolover2642 "I'm sure the nut will continue to post here though because he has an agenda to keep, which is to spread lies and cause confusion to Christians." haha im not even religious, you nut. I'm quoting direct passages from the bible, people can read and see what a cheap fraud you are. If you had a dust mite's worth of knowledge about greek and hebrew and aramaic grammar, or a translinear bible you would drop your silly show the second you realized how juvenile your logic is.
nuthreatmediaphx 8 months ago
@thegarett3 good me either. im trying to make him accountable for the words he puts out there. its one thing to say he believes jesus was a liar and is not god, its another thing to outright LIE and say "christians dont believe jesus is god." when thats the sole qualifier that makes a christian a christian.
If he chooses to run from the direct questions he is asked, and lie without backing up his points, he makes himself look bad enough.
christians believe jesus is god. they really do
nuthreatmediaphx 8 months ago
@nuthreatmediaphx You don't seem interested in learning or discussing, but seem more full of hatred which isn't Christ-like at all. You didn't learn this from Christ, that is for sure. If you didn't learn it from Christ then who did you learn it from? I'll tell you. You learned it from Satan. He put it in your heart. Now if you want to learn if Christ is the Son of God, why don't you pray and ask God? You will not because Satan has you and compels you to not pray at all. I am done
tecnolover2642 8 months ago
@nuthreatmediaphx
No, the qualifier is that you believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God. How many scriptures do you not understand from the bible anyway?? How about these from Mathew chap 16:
15He (Jesus) saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? 16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. 17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
tecnolover2642 8 months ago
@tecnolover2642 perhaps it needs to be explained in a simpler, more broken down method to you:
Exodus 3:14 - God says "I AM who I AM".
John 8:58 - Jesus says "Before Abraham was, I AM". His audience understood exactly what he was claiming about himself. "So they took up stones to throw at him; but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple" (John 8:59).
In what other context, what possible other way, could that sentence get a man killed? HE SAID HE WAS GOD. he said it alot. wake up
nuthreatmediaphx 8 months ago
@nuthreatmediaphx
Good, I'm glad it pissed you off. Apparently you have no idea what christians believe or are just ignorant.
tecnolover2642 9 months ago
@tecnolover2642 I don't think your stupid, but the trinity is a christian doctrine, a very important one too
thegarett3 8 months ago
@thegarett3
Not all Christians are confused as you and many others. Reading the bible makes it very clear that Jesus is the Son of God. When he was baptized by John the Baptist, the voice of the Father spoke from above testifying saying "This is my beloved Son in whom I'm well pleased". It doesn't get much more understandable than that!! Jesus is the Son of God. God is his Father. Jesus prays to his father in the garden & speaks to his father on the cross. Its very clear
tecnolover2642 8 months ago
@tecnolover2642
So what is the Holy Trinity? They are the Father (God), the Son (Jesus Christ) and the Holy Ghost (the Spirit of God). The Holy Ghost is that power thru which God communicates with man and also the means by which Mary conceived of Christ in the womb. These three make up the "Holy Trinity" and work together in purpose in all things and also testify of each other separately.
tecnolover2642 8 months ago
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nuthreatmediaphx 8 months ago
@tecnolover2642 "So what is the Holy Trinity? They are the Father (God), the Son (Jesus Christ) and the Holy Ghost (the Spirit of God). "
if you really care enough, and it's not just a public show, prove it, my inbox is open, i would love to have you show me your references .
if not, shut up, you're obnoxious. You need a little more experience and obviously, a few more books. You have NO idea what you are talking about! You act like the metaphysical fits in the palm of your hand,u quack
nuthreatmediaphx 8 months ago
@tecnolover2642 Paul tells us Jesus "..is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible,.. all things were created by him, and for him.."Col 1:15-17
nuthreatmediaphx 8 months ago
@tecnolover2642 John 8:58: Jesus declared, "I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM. " Again, in response, the Jews take up stones in an attempt to stone Jesus. Why stone Jesus if He hadn’t said something blasphemous, namely, a claim to be God? see also john 4:26, 8:24,8:58,and 13:19.
it's one thing to say you're not christian, whatever who cares? but to lie and say jesus never said he was god? that's so transparently fraudulent, and completely defies belief. the verses are right there kook
nuthreatmediaphx 8 months ago
@tecnolover2642 "Isaiah 9:6 Unto a child is born, a son is given, his name shall be called wonderful, counselor, everlasting FATHER, MIGHTY GOD"
"8Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us."
9Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father."
How can that POSSIBLY be not claiming to be god?
nuthreatmediaphx 8 months ago
@tecnolover2642 Yup, but the Holy Spirit brings conviction as well, and helps me learn what God wants me to from the Bible
thegarett3 8 months ago
@tecnolover2642 Also they are all God, the same person
thegarett3 8 months ago
@thegarett3
I am sorry that you are so confused. It's sad. Jesus taught that not only did his Father send him but that same God is also our father in heaven. Jesus always spoke of his Father. Have you read the New Testament? Jesus prays to his Father even on the cross. Jesus prays "Father forgive them for they know not what they do", "Father, into they hands I commend my spirit".
Are you so confused to think he was praying to himself?! I suggest you study more.
tecnolover2642 8 months ago
@tecnolover2642 When Jesus, the eternal Son of God, took upon Himself sinless humanity He also took on the form of a servant, giving up His heavenly glory (Philippians 2:5-11). As the God-man, He had to learn obedience (Hebrews 5:8) to His Father as He was tempted by Satan, accused falsely by men, rejected by His people, and eventually crucified. His praying to His heavenly Father was to ask for power (John 11:41-42) and wisdom (Mark 1:35, 6:46)....
thegarett3 8 months ago
@tecnolover2642His praying showed His dependence upon His Father in His humanity to carry out His Father's plan of redemption, as evidenced in Christ's high priestly prayer in John 17. His praying demonstrated that He ultimately submitted to His Father's will, which was to go to the cross and pay the penalty (death) for our breaking God's law (Matthew 26:31-46)...
thegarett3 8 months ago
@tecnolover2642 Of course, He rose bodily from the grave, winning forgiveness and eternal life for those who repent of sin and believe in Him as the Savior.
thegarett3 8 months ago
@tecnolover2642 f. 28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of tthe Father's hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”
I and the Father are one....
that says a lot...
thegarett3 8 months ago
@thegarett3
Both you and the other confused person I've replied to have used this same bible reference now and so it seems this is were your confusion comes from,, John 10 [30] "I and my FATHER are one." You have both interpreted this verse in John 10 to mean Jesus is his own Father?? Even when Christ constantly talks about his father in the second person?! Do you think Jesus came here to confuse man with such nonsense? NO he did not! He was very clear.
tecnolover2642 8 months ago
@tecnolover2642 So you believe there are 3 gods?
thegarett3 8 months ago
@tecnolover2642 "In the beginning the Word was with God, and the Word was God."...
"The Word became flesh, and made His dwelling among us.."...
thegarett3 8 months ago
@tecnolover2642 "You have both interpreted this verse in John 10 to mean Jesus is his own Father?"
again more ignorance. You really have to learn to get your head around the concept that(according to christianity) the supernatural world is not limited by the same laws as the physical world. You have GOT to be kidding with "jesus is his own father?" this is stuff even kids can comprehend.
"confuse man with such nonsense? " you seem to be one of the few still hung up and confused so badly.
nuthreatmediaphx 8 months ago
@thegarett3
Jesus Christ(Son of God) and God (the Father) have the same purpose, they are of one mind. Like father like son. If I say you and I are of one mind, does that mean I'm saying you and I are the same person?? No, of course it does not. It means you and I think the same, we have the same motives, the same agenda etc, etc.
I agree with nearly everything you posted, until you misinterpret that last verse to mean they are the same person. They are separate beings.
tecnolover2642 8 months ago
@thegarett3
When Jesus was baptized the Father(God) spoke from heaven say "This is my beloved son". He testified in voice to everyone. Do you know what "The only Begotten of the Father" means? It means the Jesus Christ is the ONLY son conceived by God and born in the flesh. Man has been born entirely of earthy parents. Christ was not because Mary conceived as a virgin, knowing no man and the conception was divine by the power of the Holy Ghost.
tecnolover2642 8 months ago
@tecnolover2642 so you're saying that you believe in 3 gods?
thegarett3 8 months ago
@thegarett3
What is said is that Jesus is the Son of God. He is not God the Father who we are to worship. If you want to believe that Jesus was a god that is fine and probable since he was born half god. Half a god because his father was God and half man because his mother was a mortal woman (Mary). But do not make the mistake to think Jesus is his Father! Jesus spoke very clearly and taught very plainly and didn't come to earth to confuse man. That is satan's doing.
tecnolover2642 8 months ago
@tecnolover2642 What about The verses "the Word was God"?...all things were created through Him....what does that mean? How can you explain that away?...
thegarett3 8 months ago
@thegarett3
(John 1:14-18)
"And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth; we have beheld his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father."
There is nothing to explain away. Only to explain. Don't you understand that Christ and his father work together? They are one in purpose, mind and even image yet Christ is the son of his father, not the father of himself. John is saying that Christ, who is the only begotten son of God, helped create the earth with God.
tecnolover2642 8 months ago
@tecnolover2642 you missed the earlier verses..."In the beginning, the Word was with God, and the Word was God"...so if he is talking about Jesus then...that means Jesus was with God...and Jesus was God...
thegarett3 8 months ago
@thegarett3
I didn't miss that part. That is precisely why I said Christ helped create the earth with God. This is what John's verse is teaching us. I know you are taking it to mean Christ is God, but he is not. He is the Son of God. His father is God. Christ never declares himself to be God anywhere in the bible. That would be blaspheme to his father who is God. When Christ was among us he even taught us how we are to pray to the father. He didn't teach us to pray to himself.
tecnolover2642 8 months ago
@tecnolover2642
"I know you are taking it to mean Christ is God, but he is not."
wow. and you say such beliefs are "christian" in nature? i'm sorry that's a fringe cult. nothing more, nothing less.
"Christ never declares himself to be God anywhere in the bible. " that was special. How come you can't answer to all the verses presented but just try to distract and change the subject?
ironic. you can look right at all those verses and somehow miss the point THAT bad.
nuthreatmediaphx 8 months ago
@tecnolover2642 Jesus was a half God? where does it say that in the Bible?... "our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,"...Paul says our Great God and Savior....so Jesus is God...
thegarett3 8 months ago
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@tecnolover2642 But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back for yourself part of the proceeds of the land? 4 While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? Why is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God.”...He implies that the Holy Spirit is God as well...
thegarett3 8 months ago
@tecnolover2642 "If Jesus is God, then he must have prayed to himself while he was on earth." But the answer to this objection lies in simply applying what we have already seen...While Jesus and the Father are both God, they are different Persons....Thus, Jesus prayed to God the Father without praying to Himself....
thegarett3 8 months ago
@tecnolover2642 "in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form"...doesn't sound like a half-god to me...
thegarett3 8 months ago
@tecnolover2642 If there is one passage which most clearly brings all of this together, it is Matthew 28:19: "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit."...First, notice that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinguished as distinct Persons...We baptize into the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. ........
thegarett3 8 months ago
@tecnolover2642 Second, notice that each Person must be deity because they are all placed on the same level. In fact, would Jesus have us baptize in the name of a mere creature?... Surely not....Therefore each of the Persons into whose name we are to be baptized must be deity....
thegarett3 8 months ago
@tecnolover2642 Third, notice that although the three divine Persons are distinct, we are baptized into their name (singular), not names (plural)....The three Persons are distinct, yet only constitute one name....This can only be if they share one essence....
thegarett3 8 months ago
@tecnolover2642 "f you want to believe that Jesus was a god that is fine and probable since he was born half god. Half a god because his father was God and half man..."
again more ignorance. the correct ratio is 100% god and 100% man. Your lack of simple language comprehension is the main reason you fail to understand such BASIC concepts.
And yes "Jesus spoke very clearly " when he said "before Abraham was, I AM" and hundreds of other times like that. Please look up ancient meaning of 'I AM'
nuthreatmediaphx 8 months ago
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, ... " It doesn't get more plain to understand than this. I have just explained what "only begotten Son" means. Jesus constantly talks and teaches of his Father in heaven whom we are to worship and glorify. That is God. Christ is not telling us to worship him and glorify him. Math 5 [16] Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your FATHER which is in heaven.
tecnolover2642 8 months ago
@tecnolover2642 But what about the verses I posted?...how do you get around that?...
thegarett3 8 months ago
@tecnolover2642 "For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities-- all things have been created through Him and for Him."...
thegarett3 8 months ago
@tecnolover2642 God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. 1 Timothy 3:16
duh..jesus.
Jesus said:
"I and my Father are one." John 10:30
there you go, the whole foundation of your weak "father and son." LOOKS LIKE HERE EITHER WAY, HE'S SAYING HE'S GOD! i really can't believe there's fringe groups like this that preach cult BS that jesus didnt claim to be god. COMPLETE amateurs
nuthreatmediaphx 8 months ago
@nuthreatmediaphx
"I and my Father are one." John 10:30
Dude, your own scripture reference proves my entire point! Wow!
It's so blatantly obvious yet you don't even see it.
When a person says "my father" that implies he is the son! Two people!
OMG.,, what is so confusing to you?? Christ is saying that him and his father are one. Meaning "like father like son". You've never heard that saying? Christ has the same purpose, agenda etc as his father. He's saying they are family!
tecnolover2642 8 months ago
@tecnolover2642
"Jesus said, “Man, thy sins are forgiven thee” (Luke 5:20). And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, Who is this which speaketh blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone? (Luke 5:21). "
read Colossians 1:15-27
Hebrews 1:1-3
for many,many,many,many years, the ENTIRE church has been centered around the core belif that jesus IS god. recently, people with way too much meth on their hands conjure up that jesus never said he's god... quacks
nuthreatmediaphx 8 months ago
@nuthreatmediaphx
That was the Pharisees speaking and reasoning. They were a bunch of hypocrites who knew nothing of heaven. Christ, being the Son of God not only could forgive sins like his Father but is the means by which our sins can be forgiven!! It's called the Atonement. Sound familiar?
Jesus never once claims he is God! Find me one scripture by any prophet or apostle where Jesus claims he is God!! You won't find one. None! Zero! Zilch! He told Peter he was the Son of God.
tecnolover2642 8 months ago
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I agree that Jesus is the Son of God lol, but He is also God
thegarett3 8 months ago
This vid is lame,,,Christians don't believe Jesus is God!!! What a load of crap. All christians who read the bible know Jesus is the Son of God not God! God is the father. Christ prayed to the father in Gethsemene and on the cross,, he specifically addresses Him as "Father".
tecnolover2642 9 months ago
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I have a wonderful message for you Anti-Mormons. Stop commenting on videos about us. Go bother Jehovah witnesses you creeps. Thanks for listening. Also lay off with the harsh comments i am only 16.
badcompany2fuku 11 months ago
Again, all you can do (like all Mormon apologists) is make excuses. Thanks for confirming my belief that the Mormon church is a false religion.
xnihilo64 1 year ago
@xnihilo64 word
nuthreatmediaphx 9 months ago
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3Deditor 1 year ago
" Faith without works is dead! " you believe in Jesus Christ follow in his footsteps. its all faith that we believe in him. example: strive to be like his, live the Bible, listen and ponder to what you hear that is right, love one another, live the 10 commandments, repent. without this the atonement of Jesus Christ is in vain!!!! step up the the plate, that that believe and dont do anything
hanypants 1 year ago
okay...who was the idiot that blocked my view of this video with his/her view?!!!! in search of my own truth and i dont need you contaminating MY attempt to find MY truth!!!! youve found your tuth let me find mine.
MrSikfitty 1 year ago
Hey I just wana say one and one thing only....................... MORMON MAFIA! theres no better religion than LDS
deeznuts4028 1 year ago
If Joseph Smith was alive today, he would build a machine and call it Orgasmotron
motelcalifornia 1 year ago
I'm a bit confused here --
shouldn't this be entitled Mormonism Exposed.
You can't even be honest,
or trustworthy about your title.
And, your hypocritical claim that Mormons
use Hollywood type tactics to sell what you call "evil religion." --
isn't that what your doing.
I find this to be highly biased, hateful and unchrist-like.
No matter how you dress it up; you look to me like wolves in sheeps clothing.
Hate is Hate -- Love is Love no matter how you dress it up.
andy18401 1 year ago 7
@andy18401
The video itself is indeed an anti-Mormon video put out by a group of Evangelicals who oppose Mormon doctrine.
The annotations are where the "anti-Mormonism exposed" comes in.
canadianbacon007 1 year ago
Your religion is a scam, and native americans are not descendants of jews, you don't translate by using seer stones and looking into a hat, & hebrews would use hebrew to write and not 'reformed egyptian' Joseph smith admitted to recieving revelations from the devil when he sent 2 men to Canada to sell the copyright 4 the book of mormon and they didn't. He was wrong about 60 of his 65 'prophecies', he married 11 other mens wives, 2-14 year olds and hid his polygamy. He was an evil conman & perv
solomanspaming 1 year ago
8. "Promise Me," Richard Paul Evans
A Christmas story about the power of love.
(Related article: The story of 'Promise Me' with Richard Paul Evans)
omiolo 1 year ago
9. "New Testament Who's Who," Richard J. Allen
Encyclopedia-like study that enhances knowledge of every person in the New Testament.
omiolo 1 year ago
@solomanspaming amen. enough said :)
Falconsplaya 1 year ago
@canadianbacon007 No it's not mormon is anti-christain this video is write and if you just press the annotatiion button at the bottom you can get rid of the annoying mormon lies
erinnelson92 1 year ago
@andy18401 DAMN! this guy is on the side of the mormons, yet people like you are so confused by mormon teachings you get mad when other mormons try to say that anti-mormon info is wrong. It must be hard to keep pretending your religion isn't a scam.
Here's a good one, if the mormons reversed their claim that 'dark skin is a curse' and allow non-whites into their cult, then that's proof that the teachings that lasted for 150 years are a damnable lie and proves that joe's myth is a LIAR.
solomanspaming 1 year ago
Joseph Smith was a charlatan who conned many good people into believing that the Book of Mormon is true. That the Book of Abraham is true. He was a pernicious conman whose ways of deceptions are carried on today.
Christ's Church is built on a rock that has existed since Christ established it
It is the work of the devil to say that his church required to be re-established.
Any thing which contradicts Jesus is of the devil and Joseph Smith is of the devil, one lie after another.
gcl82003 1 year ago 5
@gcl82003
Yes that rock is REVELATION, without apostles ordained to the priesthood by Christ to receive the will of God through revelation how do ". . . we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;" (Ephesians 4:14) ?
No priesthood means no protection from false teachings! Where are your Apostles and Prophets to lead you?
ViCe1986 1 year ago
i believe in the true church of god and that is the church of jesuschrist of latter days saints. nothing can go over god and truth faith i beg god for your forgiveness i really do.
edgar1234able 1 year ago
What about when lorenzo snow started really pushing the word of wisdom and it suddenly became a commandment neccesary for salvation, when right there in the first verse it says, NOT BY WAY OF COMMANDMENT. How did you guys miss that? Does that make the LDS church Creedal mormons? hmm.. Hold on what? Hinckley substaintied the 2 Jesus claim?! When he says the "Christ" of which he speaks!? I always belived there was the one "Christ" revealed, 2010 years ago, is he saying that wasn't him? INSANITY
TOMZAUGG 1 year ago
AS an Anti-Mormon the 2 Jesus thing kinda pisses me off. There's 1 Jesus, Jesus. Most Christians are unaware of how dyer the spirtual state of affairs within mormonism are. They cannot see this organization has essentially high-jacked YOUR relationship with Christ and then twists and contorts your undertanding to believe whatever they tell you. I'm looking forward to the P of GP segment, I can't wait to see ur justifcation on such a clear piece of evidence of JS not being a prophet.
TOMZAUGG 1 year ago
Its funny to see you sarcasticly write these evangelicals and claim they're interprtation is the only proper understanding, when mormonism actually makes that claim! Ironic!? Christians have faith so mighty they can accept that GOD has the power to make something from nothing. Mormonism continualy doubts the supremity of GOD with many strange doctrines, like blood attonment, as well as sole creator. Lets follow the logic, how did he get all this matter here? Where did he get in the first place?
TOMZAUGG 1 year ago
@TOMZAUGG
"Its funny to see you sarcasticly write these evangelicals and claim they're interprtation is the only proper understanding, when mormonism actually makes that claim! Ironic!? "
I have no clue what you are trying to say here.
So I won't even try address it.
canadianbacon007 1 year ago
To lazy to compare notes? 27 seconds in
TOMZAUGG 1 year ago
@TOMZAUGG
No, your sentence isn't coherent, dimwit.
canadianbacon007 1 year ago
@TOMZAUGG @TOMZAUGG
"Christians have faith so mighty they can accept that GOD has the power to make something from nothing."
I don't know where to begin with this statement.
You may have faith that God works with nothing, but God lives in reality, and works with what He has.
Are you nothing?
Does He work with you?
canadianbacon007 1 year ago
Foolishness, GOD IS REALITY
TOMZAUGG 1 year ago
@TOMZAUGG we are here because of God
hanypants 1 year ago
@TOMZAUGG
I prefer the musical version of this reality.
"Nothing from nothing leaves nothing,
you gotta have something, if you want to be with me." Billy Preston
Those Nicene boneheads had lost it, long before they committed the proof to paper
canadianbacon007 1 year ago
@TOMZAUGG "Mormonism continualy doubts the supremity of GOD with many strange doctrines, like blood attonment, as well as sole creator. "
Despite a number of rhetorical statements by LDS leaders in the late 1850s, there is no evidence that anyone was "blood atoned" at the orders of Brigham Young or any other general authority.
canadianbacon007 1 year ago
HAHAHA, We learned about it in Seminary! The idea of spilling the blood of someone who had gravely sinned. There's all kinds of evidence when ur not being willfully blind.
TOMZAUGG 1 year ago
@TOMZAUGG
"HAHAHA, We learned about it in Seminary! "
Laughing at y'self?
I never said it wasn't mentioned, I said it was never practiced.
Unlike the rest of Christianity, we never burned people at the stake, or hung them for witchcraft, or butchered millions Jews, Muslims, or anyone else who got in our way. Still want to to defend Christianity??
canadianbacon007 1 year ago
Contemporary claims for such actions uniformly come from anti-Mormon books and newspapers with lurid titles such as The Destroying Angels of Mormondom[1] and Abominations of Mormonism Exposed
canadianbacon007 1 year ago
Cause the church would want the members to know of a doctrine so perverse right? The same way IBM and COKE go around telling all of us how heavily involved they were in the WW2 German war machine.
TOMZAUGG 1 year ago
@TOMZAUGG
"Cause the church would want the members to know of a doctrine so perverse right? The same way IBM and COKE go around telling all of us how heavily involved they were in the WW2 German war machine"
Now you know how I feel about you mentioning you were Canadain too.....
canadianbacon007 1 year ago
@TOMZAUGG
"Lets follow the logic, how did he get all this matter here? Where did he get in the first place?"
Yes lets follow the logic.
Where did he get in the first place?"
He got it in the first place because it always "EXISTED", just like He always existed, and all things always existed, or they wouldn't be around to begin with.
"Nothing existed before creation", has got to be the most moronic creed Christianity ever came up with.
It's totally UNBIBLICAL!!
canadianbacon007 1 year ago
I always find it ironic when a Mormon says something is unbiblical, something from nothing is a point of faith. Yours is weak, so your a Mormon, I get it.
TOMZAUGG 1 year ago
@TOMZAUGG
You are mixing your metaphors Bub.
Guess a A leopard can't change his stripes, right?
canadianbacon007 1 year ago
@TOMZAUGG
What kind of screwy God do you worship?
Oh yea I forgot, it's the three headed one.
You would be better off worshipping Zeus, at least he doesn't look like the "HYDRA"
You know, that big three headed dragon thingy.
canadianbacon007 1 year ago
Well I worship the one TRUE God, the great I am, the light, the God of Abraham. What kinda screwy GOD are you worshiping, cause it sounds like a man, with a body of flesh and blood concocted from the tales of a man who had lust for power and his own self interest. Are you looking forward to when you have people on your own planet worshiping you?
TOMZAUGG 1 year ago
@TOMZAUGG
"Well I worship the one TRUE God, the
great I am, the light, the God of Abraham."
Just saying it, doesn't make it so.
Matt 7:23
canadianbacon007 1 year ago
When I read 2 Cor 4, I was impressed by the dilligent service these men sought to provide. 13"I belived, and therefore have I spoken; we also belive and therefore speak" Your take on 18 seems like a stretch. In my reading, in the context of the whole chapter, I interpted this as the gospel, THE labour of love. And in 15-17 the inference is that GOD strengthens them through Love. SO in 18 when they say the see the unseen they may mean they feel and emote to percieve, which is the gospel. Love.
TOMZAUGG 1 year ago
@TOMZAUGG
That whole chapter is about overcoming the natural man, in order to be worthy to spread the gospel.
It's perfectly obvious.
No man can come to Christ except by the Holy Ghost.
And no man can come to God except by Jesus Christ.
The Holy Ghost cannot be manifested through the natural man, because He has no part in it.
canadianbacon007 1 year ago
Your simplistic reading is in line with,
2 Cor 4
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them
canadianbacon007 1 year ago
It is the simple truths that comprise the Gospel, not strange and divers doctrines, So i'm glad you think my interpretation of the chapter is simplistic, almost like a child's.
TOMZAUGG 1 year ago
@TOMZAUGG
There is a difference between simple, and simpleton.
If you are too lazy to use a dictionary, that's your loss, not mine.
canadianbacon007 1 year ago
regard.
wilfordwoodruff 2 years ago
You want truth?
See the LDS Missionaries.
wilfordwoodruff 2 years ago
Can you please explain to me then Ephesians 2:8? It clearly states that you are saved solely by the grace of God, and not by works, so that no one can boast. So why do you guys claim to not add anything to the Bible, yet totally twist everything around?
DevenCD 2 years ago
On the one hand, Man being fallen by nature will have some sin no matter what, So in that reguard we need grace.
On the other hand, Faith without works is dead. And since there is a judgment day, Men need to live righteous lives.
All glory going to Christ of course.
wilfordwoodruff 2 years ago
Yes.. BUT. Good works alone does NOT get you into heaven. You are only saved by the grace of God. Good works are exactly that, good works. Not necesary though to go to heaven.
DevenCD 2 years ago
I or Mormons don't believe works alone gets anyone into Heaven either.
By grace through faith/works.
wilfordwoodruff 2 years ago
Mormon scriptures and leaders speak for themselves: god the Father is a temporal creation; a man. After following all of the commandments, the father became a god (was not always God). As a polygamist, a requirement for exaltation, the father, named "Elohim" has to literally have sex with his wives to create spirit children which will later have natural births on Earth. Jesus is one such creation. The 'Holy Spirit' is supposedly a god but doesn't have his own world and is a spirit w/out a body.
KixDanis 2 years ago
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wilfordwoodruff 2 years ago
all you need is love. love is all you need. jesus is no more power then you or me because the only power worth having is love, lets drop down the books and learn peace just IMAGINE all the people living as one, well ahah you may say i am a dreamer (and a lennon fan) but i hope someday you'll join us
mellowmushgrapetripp 2 years ago
Jesus is Love, John Lennon was a pothead.
wilfordwoodruff 2 years ago 2
@wilfordwoodruff doesnt jesus of the desert say do not judge. whn you expect the worst from another you see the worst in yourself.
mellowmushgrapetripp 2 years ago
@wilfordwoodruff seems like you no little of peace and love that jesus and lennon both tought. herb is a plant and medicine you ignorant fool
mellowmushgrapetripp 2 years ago
8. If a spirit is a being without a body (See Luke 24:39), why do Mormons teach that God the Father has a
body of flesh and bones? (See John 4:24)
JosephSmithwasaLiar 2 years ago
because you should read better my friend, Jesus in Luke 24:39 says to be not afraid because a spirit doesn't have a body as you see me have...so, the apostles were afraid because they thought of him as a spirit, since all the doors were locked and to make them understand that he was not a spirit but with a body he told them to touch HIS body...Jesus was with no doubt with his body and if you dont agree I will remind you that the tomb was empty when John and Peter went to check it out... ;)
fabsmetal 2 years ago
about john 4:24, yes, God is a spirit, but in other scriptures is a fire or water and God describes hiself in many ways...but this thing of John 4:24 is just one of the biggest misunderstanding ever...all the thologist worldwide know that in this scripture jesus was not explaining the nature of God, but only how we have to worship him..in spirit...a God of spirit must be worshipped in spirit, but yet we have a body, but we are asked to worship in spirit...
fabsmetal 2 years ago
the truth is, mormon or not that all this anti propaganda, for any church is just non sense...with all the evil in the world, with all of those people suffering there is a gospel that teaches to love all the people no matter what or who they are and "christaians" have the time to attack churches and believers?? this is simply disgusting...believe in what you believe and make others believe what they want...what the world needs is not who is wrong or right but LOVE...
fabsmetal 2 years ago 2
Christ said, A spirit hath not"flesh and bones as ye see me have"
The Only spirit in the trinity is the Holy Spirit.
wilfordwoodruff 2 years ago 2
A common question asked of Christians who make an effort to witness to Mormons is: "Why are
you attacking Mormonism? We never malign your faith, so why attack ours?"
The fact is, proving Mormonism to be a false doctrine is not an attack but a defense of the
Christian faith. Joseph Smith, the founder of Mormonism made the first attack by claiming that
all Christian denominations are an abomination in God's sight
JosephSmithwasaLiar 2 years ago
lol i like the defensive annotations that go with these vids... typical...
steadysnot 2 years ago
I have spent countless hours studying Joseph Smith and the church and this is full of lies and hand-me-down anti-Mormon propoganda. That's the way anti-Mormons work. It's all the same tired, made up stories respun for a new age and time. The Book of Mormon is the corner stone of the Mormon church. To prove the church is false you have to prove the Book of Mormon is false. Not one person has or can do that... So they attack Joseph Smith and the other prophets of the church.
Nixmix24 2 years ago 2
On the contrary. Just as with the true gospel of Christ this is the same because it is true unlike the changing doctrine of the church. Many have and continue to prove the BOM is false and have created sufficient evidence to validate Joseph Smith as a false prophet seer and revelatory.
praestant8 2 years ago
I am a born again christian. I had two mormons come to my house and I asked "If I do not believe that the Mormon church is the only way, then will I go to hell?" their reply was no. I just ask, why do we need joseph smith, when we have Gods perfect word? I just dont get it.
KJVpreacher4christ 2 years ago
Mosiah 3:8 And he shall be called Jesus Christ, the Son of God, the Father of heaven and earth, the Creator of all things from the beginning; and mother shall be called Mary. - The Book of Mormon.
AmericanFire33 2 years ago 2
Wherefore, redemption cometh through the Holy Messiah; for he full of grace and truth - The Book of Mormon.
AmericanFire33 2 years ago 2
So Joseph Smith could plagiarize the Bible then?
praestant8 2 years ago
jesus christ is the real one joseph smith was just another man on earth he didnt die for the sake of man jesus did
MrChristianrocker777 2 years ago
I tend to agree, MrChristianrocker777. Joseph didn't die for the sake of man. Jesus Christ did. Joseph Smith died for the sake of Jesus Christ and His gospel.
JackNimble61 2 years ago
Sinners think NOTHING at all, of TITHING over 100% the devil, in the form of cigarettes, booze, drugs, hookers, GAMBLING, Defense Attorneys, Bribes, and more.. THEN, GOD SAVES them, cleans them up, and DRAWS them to CHURCH. Then, all of a sudden they're INSTANT EXPERTS on TITHING, and WON'T even give GOD TEN Percent; when they used to give ALL of their money to the devil, and then borrow or steal more money, to gamble with, and buy more booze and drugs with. What's WRONG with THIS PICTURE??
reverendluke 2 years ago
One lady didn't find out, until her husband died, that he really was NOT a War HERO; which was the MAIN REASON she gave in to him, Married him, and even had his children. She said she Felt like she was RAPED. It's a real SHOCK, when you DISCOVER that the LDS Church REALLY is a COUNTERFEIT, from satan. Doctrine of Demons, (1 Timothy 4:1) with its own Seducing Spirit(s). They might MEAN well, but they are still spreading a lie, that won't save ANYONE from Eternal Hell Fire. JESUS REALLY IS GOD.
reverendluke 2 years ago
Once you're BORN AGAIN, it is EVIDENT in THE EYES. i saw an OLD PICTURE of the FIRST Mormon leaders, and they had the LOOK of PURE EVIL on their faces, and NOT the LOVE, and WARMTH of THE REAL JESUS. The Mormon church is about the BEST church out there, BUT, WE ALL DIE, and then we all stand in front of a HOLY GOD. If GOD sees SIN on us, HE simply CASTS ALL SIN and WICKEDNESS into HELL. You DON'T have to murder anyone to go to hell, just DIE in YOUR SINS. BUT, you will find out, WAY TOO LATE.
reverendluke 2 years ago
There are some Questions that You should accept that they will never be answered. Our intelligence has a limitation. God's Intelligence is has no limitation.
sabalay123 2 years ago
Mormons came to my door the other day. They come bearing what they call the christian message, focusing mostly on baptism. But baptism its self means nothing if you just going through the motions. Once you get to heaven and God asks you what you did with his son, and you say "hey i splashed water on myself, i'm saved, let me dwell with you" he's going to say no. Yes, Jesus himself as saved, but John the Baptist said there will be one who comes after me who will baptize with fire/holy spirit.
dr689632 2 years ago
And that is why we have the gift of the holy Ghost given to us. Faith and repentance is a pre-requisite for these ordinances.
StorminMormin91 2 years ago
Thats right, the Holy ghost is offered to all of us, we just have to invite him in, and he's so good. Amazingly enough in the New Testmeent Peter talks about how the holy spirit was offered to even gentiles--not just Hebrewic Jews/Christians. We have that great opportunity as well. Were called to live by the spirit as children of light. Amen
dr689632 2 years ago
If God is the uncreated creator, then how did he create himself in the form of Jesus given the common understanding of the hypostatic union., the Trinity?
Snotra 2 years ago 2
man, did you write all those refutals in the video? if you did... let me congratulate you!!
this is awsome!
cheers!!
from an LDS in SoCal
elguanteloko 2 years ago
The burden of proof is on you.
Snotra 2 years ago
Mormon faith is contradictory to the Christian faith that has been understood for the past 2000 yrs. They both cant be right? Aristotles law of non contraditcion applies here! Sadly Mormons and other cults born out of the rebelion (protestant reformation) lack a sense of logical pattern. God bless the 2000 yr old church.
Snotra 2 years ago
"God bless the 2000 yr old church" which has been an apostate one for at least 1700 years. That's an irrefutable historical fact! Pick up a history book.
canadianbacon007 2 years ago
May I suggest Dr. Bart Ehrman for the beginner! HE use to be a member of the 2000 year old church...if He was a member of the restored gospel, he would have found answers to the questions he found through scholarly research.
blandinthebasement 2 years ago
And Christs' birth/life received the most opposition by 'orthodox' beliefs...remember the Jews? Yeah, they crucified Him...What should matter is not what is commonly held as the truth due to tradition--but a willingness to submit to His will...tradition is second to the living water, the gospel of Jesus Christ--that ought to be our tradition: obedience and submission--not leaning unto our own understanding.
blandinthebasement 2 years ago
Don't be a drone, or a sheep. You don't need to pay an organization to be close to God. We aren't born owing debts to a long-since-dead martyr. Do your own research however and wherever you can. Establish your own relationship with spirituality and God. It's your own right...to use...or to give a way. Think about it.
downtown2k801 2 years ago
Are you talking about tithing?
Well, do you believe in order to be close to God, you must submit to His will? Well, tithing is His will.
blandinthebasement 2 years ago
Right, because God is a Capitalist too, right? BULLSH*T. No other man, woman, or book can interpret the God of Will for me, and I wouldn't presume to for you either.
downtown2k801 2 years ago
"YOU don't need to pay an organization to be close to God'
IS this not what you accused me of doing? "No other man, woman, or book can interpret the will of God for me..."
You characterize MY belief of paying tithing as giving my money to a corrupt organization--I defend what I know is God's will for ME, and you respond by saying that I cannot tell you what God's will is for you...what? That my friend, is BS.
blandinthebasement 2 years ago
I haven't accused you specifically of anything. I'm attacking the rhetoric of your religion. If you attach your identity to that, that's all on you. If you were so confident, you would not be so combative.
"Well, tithing is His will"
All I'm saying is what man commands the ethos to presume to tell me what the Will of God is? It's a curious principle to me that a follower must pay tithing in order to reap the full benefits of the religion, i.e. for instance being sealed in the Temple. Period.
downtown2k801 2 years ago
I must admit, of all the theological mythologies from all known periods of time in all the parts of the world, the mormon belief system is by far among the most rationally, and intellectually unfounded, and rhetorically deceitful. It is presumptuous in it's teaching, littered with subtle elements of occultism and 'folk magic', with echoes of paganism and other much older belief systems and secret societies embedded just under the surface.
downtown2k801 2 years ago 2
the thing about taking things out of text is you do not understand what the story or the talk is about. if you were to go on and read the certain book it would make sense
oaththe777 2 years ago
where can you find in the bible that Jesus and Lucifer are brothers? to think that Christ is simply our and Lucifer's elder brother in some supposed pre-earth life is blasphemous devaluing of Christ's divine nature. Christ may rightly be referred to as a brother in our humanity, but in addition to that, He is our Creator... and not simply of our bodies (col 1:16) open your spiritual eyes.... WAKE UP!
saldo27 3 years ago
well we are all spirits of god so in a sense we are all brothers and sisters
oaththe777 2 years ago
That doesn't give Biblical chapter and verse.
praestant8 2 years ago
Joseph Smith was a con artist,a paedophile,a bigamist,and a murderer who created his own religion out of a mixture of christianity,islam the corruption of christianity and freemasonry ritual.After his death this was developed further by another con artist,paedophile,bigamist. and murderer who tried to carve out his own little thiefdom called Deseret seperate from the United States Of America.
wgordon8 3 years ago
Another drive-by rant.
canadianbacon007 3 years ago
wgordon8 is a pedophile, a murderer and con artist...I don't need proof to defame another human being!
blandinthebasement 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Yet another irrational religion - bottom line.
kjhgl1 3 years ago
Amen! Wonderful video the whole DVD is amazing. When the LDS watch this hopefully it will plant seeds and eventually they will be lead to Jesus Christ. The Jesus of Mormonism is not the Jesus Christ of the Bible. When you are following a false Jesus you have no hope of salvation.
GraceAlone71 3 years ago
Yup, in one ear and out the other. Keep looking at that "hang in there" little kitten poster you probably have on your wall.
CindyMae58 3 years ago 4
Cindy- I know more about the LDS religion than your averge Christian. Why would anyone want anything that isn't of God to stay in their heads? "One ear and out the other", yup that is exactly what someone should do with any message the LDS Church has to offer.
GraceAlone71 3 years ago
Lol your name, GraceAlone71 says it all, (sarcasm notwithstanding)
canadianbacon007 3 years ago
By grace, you are saved. It sounds a lot better then you are saved by grace after all you can do. I don't have to look to the temple for my salvation; I look to the cross of Jesus Christ. I don't have to do temple ordinances to reconcile myself to God. I look to the cross, to the work Jesus did for all of us. The cross reconciles us to the Father not temple rituals.
GraceAlone71