Long hood forward was actually the original way to run them back when N&W and Southern were separate, but seem the normal way is how you usually see them now days which makes sense, since they have the cab setup the way it is now!!! Still a rare site and fun to see
It have some ignorant people in the world. The kid didn't ruin it, it people who used to be like that ruin it for all. We all get that way when we see something unusal on a railroad. I work for the railroad and still get excited. Don't take that away.
Ex-UP GP locomotive #1010 operates on a shortline RR around where I live & it runs long hood forward on the trip back to it's starting point, south of town.
Neat catch. The Great Walton Railroad that we have down here, where I live in GA. always seems to run long hood out front, at least that is what I have witnessed on several occasions. I suppose the crew feels safer in case they hit something...
@comebersum Shortline Railroads such as Great Walton seldom turn locomotives. So if they are going with the long hood forward on one trip, when they come back it will be in the opposite direction.
There is no forward or backwards on a locomotive. They can run either way equally. Look for a small F on the locomotive, this means the control panel is on the right side. i retired from Southern Railway all our locomotives were long hood right side control panel. Southern did this for a reason, we didn't have to turn our engines, we ran them either way.
Ugh Its not going backwards it simply reached the end of the line, Dropped off frieght, then is pulling more frieght with the engines in the backwards POSITION!
I knew that they kept the standard control stand, then again I see that your saying they don't have the desktop controls like similair models of other railroads. I wasn't even thinking about them when I made my comment. I can only imagine the difficulties of operating them in that position.
They used to have a bi-directional version of the standard control stand placed in locomotives such as the SD-50 and 60's, GP-59s, C-36-7's and C-39-8's.
Those were equipped with the Bi control stands as with the earlier C39-8's. The enhanced versions ( Which I believe were numbered fom 8664-8688 ) came out of Erie in 1987.
They look more like the 8-40C and as of right now, they arent listed in NS's active roster from the sources I've looked at.
The old C-39-8s are all history now. However, the C-39-8Es, it seemed like they were going to carry them on a lil bit longer, but with the economy the way it is along with the newer 1,000 plus dash 9s more available on hand. The C-39-8E's may just as well not pull again.
Are the control stands in the NS dash9s made to operate long hood forward without the engineer's hands having to operate the controls behind his back.
I thought NS stopped ordering the bi-directional stand in new locomotives after 1990.
All locomotives can run either direction, there really is not a forward or backwards. The reverse handle has three setting left, neutral, right. The locomotive is free wheeling, runs just as good one way as the other. Different Railroads have different rules concerning cab directions. When switching crews have to run both directions depending on their work schedule. Some jobs start out short hood one way and return long hood back to their terminal. You need a Y to turn your consist.
In some cases yes and no. The long hood forward offered great safety for the crew of the engine and for N&W and Southern it was traditional for them to run their diesels long hood forward (since steam engines had their boilers in front of the cab).
Oh yes it was. Other than for the safety of a long hood, the N&W and Southern held great traditional values and respect for their former steam engines.
Hmm....lets see. As an employee on former N&W territory I wouldnt know anything about the fact that the N&W was the last RR to succumb to diesel engines. The SOU gave it up long before the N&W. Safety was the primary concern. "Honor of the steam locomotive" is a line that buffs like to use.
Yeah, I recall on GP-7s and 9s, the long hood was the forward end, based on the old cab rearward from the steam days. NS is known for high hood units, as well as using the long hood forward for safety reasons. A high hood on an old NS GP-30 looks really unusual to us B&O Chessie guys. Western Maryland's low nose GP-9s also looked unusual when you are so used to standard high hood 9s and 7s..
The NS's new C-40 series cab controls are situated so that they CAN be ran long hood forward (switching purposes), hence the ditch lights mounted on the rear of the locos to.
If the controls are on the right side it is headed forward. If you had ever been on a train that hit a truck you would understand why Southern had their engines built with the hood forward, I have.
Charlie when I started working for Southern Railway in 1971 all Southern Engines were long hood forward. We didn't have any Engines with windshields, they were short hood, long hood. I have been retired for a while, I notice all the new Engines have windshields. You are right about crew size, Trainmen at Southern didn't have radios for several years, we used hand signals. With radios, I don't see how it makes any difference which way the Engine is headed.
My first job was switching for Southern at Georgia Kraft in Rome in 1972.
The difference is that if I am running and the only crewman I have is on the ground making cuts at the rear of the train, if I have a chopped nose when I move forward I have full visibility.
True, in a collision with long hood forward I have more protection. But outside of that, statistically speaking it is much safer to have the chop nose forward. So much so it is a factor in the courts when railroads are sued.
I worked out of Debutts Yard in Chat(tax)nooga, Tn, not to far from Rome. The Central of Georgia ran from Debutts to Rome in those days. My Road was the CNO&TP to Cincinnati, Ohio. I understand what you are saying, we didn't have the luxury of chopped nose. The 2400 switch engines headed forward have the same problem. Are you on the Georgia Division, into Chattanooga?
No. I'm now a terminal supt. on a joint BNSF/UP operation in California. I know the line from Rome up to Chattanooga. A lot of it is out of the ground now. They sold the north end to CCKY. Now a GWI property. The line was removed before the sale so the shortline operator wouldn't have a way to serve the papermill and powermill in Rome.
Southern Railway ran their engines long hood forward for safety reasons. If you look closley on some of the ex southern units there is a "F" on the rear of the engine near the steps for "front". Because the rear was actually the front, the controls are on the left side of the cab instead of the right. Most of their engines were Highhood just like Gene said.
Ultimately those 'safety' reasons became moot as crew sizes dwindled.
Long hood forward for switching really sucks when you have a two man crew and one of you is on the ground.
Give me visibility anyday over long hood forward. (There are engineers who disagree strongly with me.). However, decades of review by safety experts have led most railroads throughout the world to run short nose forward now.
@mattlanta88 Train Number. Every train gets a number assigned by a Railroad Dispatcher at the nearest NS office where they originiated.Thats how they idenify the train out of the 1000s NS runs every day. Technically the train would be called Long Hood Forward Not Backwads But You Can Keep It Like That If You Like. Where i film alot we have a train V86 that does the thing with the engine "backwards". Any questions please ask me by reply or message
I have a feeling the horn is saying Shut up everytime the kid opens his mouth
metroliner89 1 month ago
Cool ns running long hood lead
ble643 1 month ago
please show me a full video of that freight train.
jbodine111 3 months ago
We call it "Long Nosing" where I work. Not Long Hood Forward. But then again that could be what it's called for bigger railroads like NS.
Dexter1142 3 months ago
Long hood forward was actually the original way to run them back when N&W and Southern were separate, but seem the normal way is how you usually see them now days which makes sense, since they have the cab setup the way it is now!!! Still a rare site and fun to see
WorldOfNothin 4 months ago
Also known as "Number 2 End leading", except on Norfolk Southern, where the long hood is usually considered the Number 1 End.
JBofBrisbane 5 months ago
Long hood forward is actually normal for NS in keeping with N&W's tradition.
rebelrailroader 6 months ago
It have some ignorant people in the world. The kid didn't ruin it, it people who used to be like that ruin it for all. We all get that way when we see something unusal on a railroad. I work for the railroad and still get excited. Don't take that away.
trainboy4024 8 months ago
The lead engine is in reverse. So it is going backwards.
GEES44DC 10 months ago
Ha, I used to be like that kid at that age too, but not anymore at 17.
TommyBNSF 10 months ago
Je ne savais pas qu'une dash9 pouvait se conduire en arrière !!!
seb66501 11 months ago
horn honks it's going backwards! it's going backwards horn honks it's going backwards horn honks horn honks again lol
TheMattsbro 11 months ago
Actually its called going long hood forward. ;p
npadul30 1 year ago
Ex-UP GP locomotive #1010 operates on a shortline RR around where I live & it runs long hood forward on the trip back to it's starting point, south of town.
Jamersonde 1 year ago
omg, it's going backwards, it's going backwards, it's going backwards, it's going backwards! (5 year old kid) the stupid kid ruined it
dirtman119 1 year ago 14
great vid!
ljones121 1 year ago
Hood long forward
BNSFFREAK747 1 year ago 3
Neat catch. The Great Walton Railroad that we have down here, where I live in GA. always seems to run long hood out front, at least that is what I have witnessed on several occasions. I suppose the crew feels safer in case they hit something...
comebersum 1 year ago
@comebersum Shortline Railroads such as Great Walton seldom turn locomotives. So if they are going with the long hood forward on one trip, when they come back it will be in the opposite direction.
Boss302fan 1 year ago
Brings back memories. That's the way NS (and predecessors Southern and N&W) always used to run them.
meccaturbo 1 year ago 4
There is no forward or backwards on a locomotive. They can run either way equally. Look for a small F on the locomotive, this means the control panel is on the right side. i retired from Southern Railway all our locomotives were long hood right side control panel. Southern did this for a reason, we didn't have to turn our engines, we ran them either way.
brainerdrebel 1 year ago
They call this Long Hood Foward
RichmanJ93 1 year ago
Ugh Its not going backwards it simply reached the end of the line, Dropped off frieght, then is pulling more frieght with the engines in the backwards POSITION!
metroliner89 1 year ago
@metroliner89 If it was going backwards it would be pushing the frieght on the end facing you!
metroliner89 1 year ago
i didn't know that ns had strobe lights on the back of their -9s
shadowknight227 1 year ago
Any other railroad but the NS would have taken the time to run the wye and turn the train. But the NS dont care about their train crews.
troy12n 1 year ago
its not backwards. its considered long nose fore ward, while the other way is short nose foreword
doubleutubefan5 1 year ago
@doubleutubefan5 No. Long HOOD foward or short hood forward. There is only one nose, which would be the short hood.
trainman2816 1 year ago
@trainman2816 ohhh. opps
doubleutubefan5 1 year ago
now that is southern railway for ya
akatrain 2 years ago
this is the only thing wrong with running elephant style
flash2042 2 years ago
Long hood forward operation.
NSwannabeEngineer 2 years ago 3
I knew that they kept the standard control stand, then again I see that your saying they don't have the desktop controls like similair models of other railroads. I wasn't even thinking about them when I made my comment. I can only imagine the difficulties of operating them in that position.
They used to have a bi-directional version of the standard control stand placed in locomotives such as the SD-50 and 60's, GP-59s, C-36-7's and C-39-8's.
I don't thing it made any easier in reverse.
tarmac2001 2 years ago
I seen a C39-8E that had a Bi directional stand
NSAaron 2 years ago
Those were equipped with the Bi control stands as with the earlier C39-8's. The enhanced versions ( Which I believe were numbered fom 8664-8688 ) came out of Erie in 1987.
They look more like the 8-40C and as of right now, they arent listed in NS's active roster from the sources I've looked at.
tarmac2001 2 years ago
NS retired all of it's C39-8s, you can actually buy the old ex conrail ones from a website for little over a hundred thousand dollars.
NSAaron 2 years ago
The old C-39-8s are all history now. However, the C-39-8Es, it seemed like they were going to carry them on a lil bit longer, but with the economy the way it is along with the newer 1,000 plus dash 9s more available on hand. The C-39-8E's may just as well not pull again.
tarmac2001 2 years ago
Are the control stands in the NS dash9s made to operate long hood forward without the engineer's hands having to operate the controls behind his back.
I thought NS stopped ordering the bi-directional stand in new locomotives after 1990.
tarmac2001 2 years ago
NS is the only RR to stick to the standard control stand. So operating from long hood end is not difficult. I work for NS.
propellerblades 2 years ago
@propellerblades Wrong. All of CN's new units since their first Dash 9 order have been ordered with control stands.
GEES44DC 10 months ago
The Wabash Railroad did the same thing with their locomotive lash ups
Rztaylorjr 2 years ago
yeah....but not in the Trash 9's
DRG1939 2 years ago
There are 2 trespassers behind the NS Unit!!!!!
LOL
traindude80 2 years ago 6
@traindude80 i had to think about that comment but now i get it.
celica825 1 year ago
I've seen an autocarrier train go through my hometown with the lead engine (a Dash 9, i think) going backwards.
Jamersonde 2 years ago
yea but i see it as quite dumb having a long hood forward, though i dont think that engine has that option i think it was jusr going backwards
keanerulz25 2 years ago
its in push mode backwords
firealarmtech7 2 years ago
All locomotives can run either direction, there really is not a forward or backwards. The reverse handle has three setting left, neutral, right. The locomotive is free wheeling, runs just as good one way as the other. Different Railroads have different rules concerning cab directions. When switching crews have to run both directions depending on their work schedule. Some jobs start out short hood one way and return long hood back to their terminal. You need a Y to turn your consist.
brainerdrebel 2 years ago 3
not backwards, southernwards.
307OLDS 2 years ago 17
Classic N&W and Southern fashion. Done to honor the steam engines and to add extra saftey to the crew.
SeniorMinch229018 2 years ago
is that really the reason?
JoaoT805 2 years ago
In some cases yes and no. The long hood forward offered great safety for the crew of the engine and for N&W and Southern it was traditional for them to run their diesels long hood forward (since steam engines had their boilers in front of the cab).
SeniorMinch229018 2 years ago
oh ok. thanks.
JoaoT805 2 years ago
It was not "done to honor steam engines"
DRG1939 2 years ago
Oh yes it was. Other than for the safety of a long hood, the N&W and Southern held great traditional values and respect for their former steam engines.
SeniorMinch229018 2 years ago
Hmm....lets see. As an employee on former N&W territory I wouldnt know anything about the fact that the N&W was the last RR to succumb to diesel engines. The SOU gave it up long before the N&W. Safety was the primary concern. "Honor of the steam locomotive" is a line that buffs like to use.
DRG1939 2 years ago
Backwards?? thats the way it should be! I love those long hood foward locos!
JDWP254 3 years ago
Yeah, I recall on GP-7s and 9s, the long hood was the forward end, based on the old cab rearward from the steam days. NS is known for high hood units, as well as using the long hood forward for safety reasons. A high hood on an old NS GP-30 looks really unusual to us B&O Chessie guys. Western Maryland's low nose GP-9s also looked unusual when you are so used to standard high hood 9s and 7s..
BurgerChefGuy 3 years ago
ITS A CAT FISH!!!!!
BrodyFarmBoy 3 years ago
The NS's new C-40 series cab controls are situated so that they CAN be ran long hood forward (switching purposes), hence the ditch lights mounted on the rear of the locos to.
Moltixar 3 years ago
Backwards?? That "used" to be forward from the early 90's all the way back to the 60's :)
Moltixar 3 years ago
they maybe forgot another unit that was supposed to lead....?
TrainmanRyanA 3 years ago
Good video! It funny because I have seen this before on CN alot but its called Long hood forward not backwards for future reference
LocalRailfan 3 years ago
its not really going backwards...its long hood forward...
graysonator123 3 years ago 3
nice shot very rare to see all engines facing backwards
lilgunzel761 3 years ago
It's Backwards!!!! lol so cute
admydragonch2 3 years ago
If the controls are on the right side it is headed forward. If you had ever been on a train that hit a truck you would understand why Southern had their engines built with the hood forward, I have.
brainerdrebel 3 years ago
There's some logic to that, but most roads decided a long time ago that better visibility is, in the long run, safer.
In particular with two man crews and one of you is working the ground.
charlieb640 2 years ago
Charlie when I started working for Southern Railway in 1971 all Southern Engines were long hood forward. We didn't have any Engines with windshields, they were short hood, long hood. I have been retired for a while, I notice all the new Engines have windshields. You are right about crew size, Trainmen at Southern didn't have radios for several years, we used hand signals. With radios, I don't see how it makes any difference which way the Engine is headed.
brainerdrebel 2 years ago
My first job was switching for Southern at Georgia Kraft in Rome in 1972.
The difference is that if I am running and the only crewman I have is on the ground making cuts at the rear of the train, if I have a chopped nose when I move forward I have full visibility.
True, in a collision with long hood forward I have more protection. But outside of that, statistically speaking it is much safer to have the chop nose forward. So much so it is a factor in the courts when railroads are sued.
charlieb640 2 years ago
I worked out of Debutts Yard in Chat(tax)nooga, Tn, not to far from Rome. The Central of Georgia ran from Debutts to Rome in those days. My Road was the CNO&TP to Cincinnati, Ohio. I understand what you are saying, we didn't have the luxury of chopped nose. The 2400 switch engines headed forward have the same problem. Are you on the Georgia Division, into Chattanooga?
brainerdrebel 2 years ago
No. I'm now a terminal supt. on a joint BNSF/UP operation in California. I know the line from Rome up to Chattanooga. A lot of it is out of the ground now. They sold the north end to CCKY. Now a GWI property. The line was removed before the sale so the shortline operator wouldn't have a way to serve the papermill and powermill in Rome.
Sad.
charlieb640 2 years ago
Do you need a good old switchman?
brainerdrebel 2 years ago
Ah, you would hate it here. No hills. LOL
charlieb640 2 years ago
Check out this video "Fallen Flags: Southern Railway SD35 3042". Classic footage.
DJGENEX71 3 years ago 2
That was awesome Matt! They used to run the HiNose engines like that all the time! 5*****
DJGENEX71 3 years ago 4
in my area they use "long hood forward"or how you said backwards, all the time for locals.
railroadlover 3 years ago
Yea I know, it's not really backwards, the engine makes no diff which way it rolls.
Cool!
DJGENEX71 3 years ago
i always did wonder why they reverse them sometimes like that?
railroadlover 3 years ago
Southern Railway ran their engines long hood forward for safety reasons. If you look closley on some of the ex southern units there is a "F" on the rear of the engine near the steps for "front". Because the rear was actually the front, the controls are on the left side of the cab instead of the right. Most of their engines were Highhood just like Gene said.
guitars14 3 years ago
Ultimately those 'safety' reasons became moot as crew sizes dwindled.
Long hood forward for switching really sucks when you have a two man crew and one of you is on the ground.
Give me visibility anyday over long hood forward. (There are engineers who disagree strongly with me.). However, decades of review by safety experts have led most railroads throughout the world to run short nose forward now.
charlieb640 2 years ago
was this P13
trains91 3 years ago 2
what is p13?
mattlanta88 3 years ago
one of our locals
trains91 3 years ago
@mattlanta88 The train number.
spazman13579 1 year ago
@mattlanta88 Train Number. Every train gets a number assigned by a Railroad Dispatcher at the nearest NS office where they originiated.Thats how they idenify the train out of the 1000s NS runs every day. Technically the train would be called Long Hood Forward Not Backwads But You Can Keep It Like That If You Like. Where i film alot we have a train V86 that does the thing with the engine "backwards". Any questions please ask me by reply or message
trainmasta227 1 year ago