If this ever happens to me, I'm NOT cutting the engine. That's what insurance is for. There's too many other things going on, and you're gonna have to get pretty slow to get that prop to stop windmilling anyways. Turn off the fuel after you land.
Fair play for making it safe, but why in the hell did he not go deadlstick and feather the prop! Could have saved himself a whole lot of time and money, that engine will most likely need to be replaced or at least sent of and check over.
I agree wholeheartedly that this pilot should have cut the engine & tried to get the prop horizontal to save the teardown & possible higher expense/headache & all, but, and I'm a commercial pilot, isn't it reasonable to imagine that any pilot, facing a gear-up landing, probably has his/her head wrapped tightly around what's going to happen when that belly starts scraping asphalt? I don't know if I would truly, in the face of a no-gear landing, think about trying to get the prop sideways or not.
This guy's not much of a pilot, is he? The least he could have done was float to bleed off some airspeed and let it gradually settle - pulling the mixture to save the prop and engine while he's at it.
Not a well-done landing. He landed with power, thereby destroying the prop and guaranteeing an engine teardown, he failed to flare and plowed the thing into the asphalt. I've seen far better no-gear landings before. That said...he walked away, and it's the insurance company's problem now.
@theidgaf96 Why do you say that? He didn't flare, hit really hard, and should have turned off the engine to save $25,000 in damage to the prop and engine. Looks like a very poor job of airmanship to me.
I've never been in an emergency situation such as that, so I have no room to be critical; my only thought was to try to hold off and bleed the airspeed as much as possible..
Again, i have no room to be critical!! Any landing you walk away from....
its called a FLARE buddy!! lol well, in anycase he walked away unhurt (or so it seemed), so that's always important... in an emergency the aircraft just becomes scrap value, your life is more important... especially if you're insured ;)
or at least that's what my flight instructor always told me... Poor Beech Sierra..
So many ppl are saying that the pilot lost money but it says in the description that the A&P screwed up the gear the previous day. Not the pilot's liability.
Lotta sim jockeys in here...The pilot could have very well shut off the engine but the air moving through the prop can cause it to continue spinning. The only way to stop it would be to perform a manuever that involves pitching upward to slow the propeller to the point where it could be stopped...not something you would risk at low altitude as it would only make a bad emergency worse. I would rather total an aircraft than die saving a buck...
Monday Morning Quarterbacking, is precisely what "Pilots" should be doing with this video. Having access to any in-flight emergency procedure video, can be worth more than its weight in gold. As pilots, we should use these things as tools for learning.
With that said, I would have liked to have seen:
1) Fuel flow cut-off before touchdown (kills the engine)
2) Use more runway (plenty available)
3) Flare the landing (less stress on the airframe)
Found myself in the same situation three years ago - the ldg gear had a mechanical malfunction and despite trying all the emergency gear extension procedures, it was not possible to get the gear down. I shut off the engine at about ten feet and set the airplane down (very gently, at minimum speed, with the stall horn on), on the grass alongside the runway. Didn't bother to burn off fuel since there is really no risk of fire from a good gear-up landing. Wish I had chosen the rwy, not the grass.
I'd rather have an engine for a go around to save my life rather than trying to save a buck. If I knew I was gonna make it I might pull the mixture, but I doubt it would have enough time to actually come to a stop. Thats really how much time you have if you're "safely pulling the engine to save it." If you're pulling the engine and you're not over the airport yet, or you're not plenty high, you're crazy.
@d0rkiishchris people are so quick to arm chair QB...truth is I would have been happy to just walk away. Turning off the engine and bumping the prop...not only is it not on any emergency procedure...it gets in the way of landing the plane. I ve seen it done but can be risky.
Should have came in slightly higher than normal with the mixture set to ICO (propeller stopped). As well as this, the contact with the runway was hard.
Its all well and good judging the performance from the comfort of your chair at home. But, this guy got it down it on piece and literally walked away from it. Therefore, it was a good landing!
@bmused55: But, this guy got it down it on piece and literally walked away from it. Therefore, it was a good landing!
JM: Well, getting it down was never in question. The engine wasn't the problem, the landing gear was. This is a light aircraft. It seems he could have had a little consideration for the aftermath by shutting down the engine, and Hayward has jets landing there all the time, so he had plenty of runway to take his time with the touchdown. Just sayin.
I'm sure that stopping the engine and feathering the prop is a procedure that should be done in all gear up landing circumstances if possible, however if you're in that pilot's position I'm sure your mind is on far more important things and saving some money is the least of your concerns.
@sk8drumdie0116 umm if my gear is stuck up ALL IM THINKING is two things. ONE BURN ALL THE FUEL I CAN and TURN OFF THE ENGINE BEFORE LANDING> and I am a pilot. Most pilots dont want to do this cause they have no idea how long their aircraft will glide.
@straighttailpilot That's not true- if you don't know how your aircraft glides, perhaps you should not be flying it. Many mistakes here. Flaps can cause a dig and ensuing destruction, death. Did not kill engine. Cost the owner 25-50K. Burned off fuel. 100LL vapor explosion or possible tank rupture and fire- I'll take the full tanks- this is not jet fuel. Did not pop the door open before impact. In the manual. Did not flare the landing- spar was stressed badly. U Must be professional.
I repaired an Aztec in Puerto Rico that landed on grass next to runway with gear up. The pilot feathered both props on final at 100 mph. Landing only damaged the lower antennas a few rivets and paint.. Under 1,000 dollars total in repairs. I flew it to deliver. No problem.
@flyergp65 Yep, they'll have to strip down the engine, remove it from the firewall, dismantle the engine and x-ray the shaft to make sure it isn't bent. I'd say when it's all done probably about 25k...if he's lucky.
Damn - evidently a mechanical.......but that was a HARD landing and it must have been a rental plane cause - two bladed prop? - I would have pulled the mixture on short final and at least gave that one shot that the prop would stop horizontal and save the strike and subsequent tear down. Glad he made it out all right though.
Nice landing with tail wind....
sargentoromerales 2 weeks ago
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msnfab 1 month ago
If this ever happens to me, I'm NOT cutting the engine. That's what insurance is for. There's too many other things going on, and you're gonna have to get pretty slow to get that prop to stop windmilling anyways. Turn off the fuel after you land.
SWEET VIDEO! like!
mfnchris 2 months ago
Thats a fantastic landing for a plane with no wheels.
gpavlovic25 2 months ago
DANG HE HIT FREAKIN HARD!!!!
lifes7holy7skateprk7 2 months ago
ya should have pulled the mixture, and my god have you ever heard of a flair
shaun17304 3 months ago
Fair play for making it safe, but why in the hell did he not go deadlstick and feather the prop! Could have saved himself a whole lot of time and money, that engine will most likely need to be replaced or at least sent of and check over.
bigbadbenable 4 months ago
@bigbadbenable it was a rental.
wcolby 4 months ago 5
@bigbadbenable Single engine planes like this do not have feathering props.
1chubbo 3 months ago
I agree wholeheartedly that this pilot should have cut the engine & tried to get the prop horizontal to save the teardown & possible higher expense/headache & all, but, and I'm a commercial pilot, isn't it reasonable to imagine that any pilot, facing a gear-up landing, probably has his/her head wrapped tightly around what's going to happen when that belly starts scraping asphalt? I don't know if I would truly, in the face of a no-gear landing, think about trying to get the prop sideways or not.
ProChoiceJesus 4 months ago
hard landing!
ronnyjustron 4 months ago
AMAZING Landing... Well Done!!
mrwehethefourth 5 months ago
Prick of a Landing..!
splitty77 5 months ago
This guy's not much of a pilot, is he? The least he could have done was float to bleed off some airspeed and let it gradually settle - pulling the mixture to save the prop and engine while he's at it.
riderpoet 6 months ago
Not a well-done landing. He landed with power, thereby destroying the prop and guaranteeing an engine teardown, he failed to flare and plowed the thing into the asphalt. I've seen far better no-gear landings before. That said...he walked away, and it's the insurance company's problem now.
gsmac1969 6 months ago
Run Rabbit...
chimandude 6 months ago
Looks like he opted for the prop strike, but I bet he's not complaining.
coffeenottea 6 months ago
weeeeeeeee
GTAKID01 6 months ago
he bounced it thats for sure... lol
ctquicksilver 7 months ago
that was actually very well done
theidgaf96 8 months ago
@theidgaf96 Why do you say that? He didn't flare, hit really hard, and should have turned off the engine to save $25,000 in damage to the prop and engine. Looks like a very poor job of airmanship to me.
quinnjim 5 months ago
are you sure this is Hayward..?? i have flown to hayward many times and this airport not at all looks like hayward...
flyav8rboi 8 months ago
@flyav8rboi Yup, its Hayward, California. I was standing at hangar #3 & the airplane came in over the mall, landing on 28L. Walt
wcolby 8 months ago
I've never been in an emergency situation such as that, so I have no room to be critical; my only thought was to try to hold off and bleed the airspeed as much as possible..
Again, i have no room to be critical!! Any landing you walk away from....
Blkpylut
blkpylut 9 months ago
A hard landing, yes. But perfect slide-out, no fire... well done.
mcavic 11 months ago
its called a FLARE buddy!! lol well, in anycase he walked away unhurt (or so it seemed), so that's always important... in an emergency the aircraft just becomes scrap value, your life is more important... especially if you're insured ;)
or at least that's what my flight instructor always told me... Poor Beech Sierra..
Greendayfan0921 11 months ago
So many ppl are saying that the pilot lost money but it says in the description that the A&P screwed up the gear the previous day. Not the pilot's liability.
codyjb8 11 months ago
Lotta sim jockeys in here...The pilot could have very well shut off the engine but the air moving through the prop can cause it to continue spinning. The only way to stop it would be to perform a manuever that involves pitching upward to slow the propeller to the point where it could be stopped...not something you would risk at low altitude as it would only make a bad emergency worse. I would rather total an aircraft than die saving a buck...
Justinh789 11 months ago 5
Monday Morning Quarterbacking, is precisely what "Pilots" should be doing with this video. Having access to any in-flight emergency procedure video, can be worth more than its weight in gold. As pilots, we should use these things as tools for learning.
With that said, I would have liked to have seen:
1) Fuel flow cut-off before touchdown (kills the engine)
2) Use more runway (plenty available)
3) Flare the landing (less stress on the airframe)
Bottom line is that the pilot walked away.
TigerGrumman 1 year ago
i like!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
bigevent100 1 year ago
Found myself in the same situation three years ago - the ldg gear had a mechanical malfunction and despite trying all the emergency gear extension procedures, it was not possible to get the gear down. I shut off the engine at about ten feet and set the airplane down (very gently, at minimum speed, with the stall horn on), on the grass alongside the runway. Didn't bother to burn off fuel since there is really no risk of fire from a good gear-up landing. Wish I had chosen the rwy, not the grass.
mdickinson 1 year ago
softfield, anyone?
Midvalley711 1 year ago
Ouch, no flare and prop strike. Glad he was able to walk away though.
deeringdeluxe 1 year ago
he landed regardless but comon, flare a bit more on that one
praetorian2150 1 year ago
ouch ouch ouch!
straighttailpilot 1 year ago
any landing you can walk away from is a good landing
Mushkill666 1 year ago
I'd rather have an engine for a go around to save my life rather than trying to save a buck. If I knew I was gonna make it I might pull the mixture, but I doubt it would have enough time to actually come to a stop. Thats really how much time you have if you're "safely pulling the engine to save it." If you're pulling the engine and you're not over the airport yet, or you're not plenty high, you're crazy.
d0rkiishchris 1 year ago
@d0rkiishchris people are so quick to arm chair QB...truth is I would have been happy to just walk away. Turning off the engine and bumping the prop...not only is it not on any emergency procedure...it gets in the way of landing the plane. I ve seen it done but can be risky.
bpbat21 1 year ago
Well... as the saying goes... any landing from which you walk away is a perfectly good landing
blueinkbottle 1 year ago
Give the guy a break. He was probably pissing his pants at the time. He's alive, right?
bladedspokes 1 year ago
Should have came in slightly higher than normal with the mixture set to ICO (propeller stopped). As well as this, the contact with the runway was hard.
MaximumThrust1 2 years ago
Its all well and good judging the performance from the comfort of your chair at home. But, this guy got it down it on piece and literally walked away from it. Therefore, it was a good landing!
bmused55 1 year ago
@bmused55: But, this guy got it down it on piece and literally walked away from it. Therefore, it was a good landing!
JM: Well, getting it down was never in question. The engine wasn't the problem, the landing gear was. This is a light aircraft. It seems he could have had a little consideration for the aftermath by shutting down the engine, and Hayward has jets landing there all the time, so he had plenty of runway to take his time with the touchdown. Just sayin.
JetMechMA 1 year ago
@JetMechMA could of been shut down....prop just kept spinning....obviously none of us are the pilot so we dont know.
lunchbag08 9 months ago
he landed to hard and he didn't turn the engine off but its good that they survived
krlos116 2 years ago
Plane is probably a write off anyways.
ASSEMblerEX 2 years ago
good lucky
SB9P4 2 years ago
good lucky
SB9P4 2 years ago
why not kill the engine and save putting a new one in it?
ritualghost 2 years ago
I'm sure that stopping the engine and feathering the prop is a procedure that should be done in all gear up landing circumstances if possible, however if you're in that pilot's position I'm sure your mind is on far more important things and saving some money is the least of your concerns.
sk8drumdie0116 2 years ago
& the airplane was a rental.
wcolby 2 years ago
@sk8drumdie0116 umm if my gear is stuck up ALL IM THINKING is two things. ONE BURN ALL THE FUEL I CAN and TURN OFF THE ENGINE BEFORE LANDING> and I am a pilot. Most pilots dont want to do this cause they have no idea how long their aircraft will glide.
straighttailpilot 1 year ago
@straighttailpilot That's not true- if you don't know how your aircraft glides, perhaps you should not be flying it. Many mistakes here. Flaps can cause a dig and ensuing destruction, death. Did not kill engine. Cost the owner 25-50K. Burned off fuel. 100LL vapor explosion or possible tank rupture and fire- I'll take the full tanks- this is not jet fuel. Did not pop the door open before impact. In the manual. Did not flare the landing- spar was stressed badly. U Must be professional.
cmi2000 1 year ago
haha wow..not very graceful but got the job done
cleared31 2 years ago
I repaired an Aztec in Puerto Rico that landed on grass next to runway with gear up. The pilot feathered both props on final at 100 mph. Landing only damaged the lower antennas a few rivets and paint.. Under 1,000 dollars total in repairs. I flew it to deliver. No problem.
navamerican 2 years ago
No flair? Naw, I'm a navy pilot!
jpatt1000 2 years ago
Needed to carry more speed into the approach so he had a bit more flair.
mjok2004 3 years ago
Engine will still need a tear down ,running or not
av8er140 3 years ago
didnt even turn the engine off before flare
25k to repair it easy
flyergp65 3 years ago 11
@flyergp65 I noticed that; an unnecessary guaranteed prop strike. :o(
CounterCultureLives 9 months ago
@flyergp65 What flare?
TaxfreeSVT 5 months ago
@flyergp65 Yep, they'll have to strip down the engine, remove it from the firewall, dismantle the engine and x-ray the shaft to make sure it isn't bent. I'd say when it's all done probably about 25k...if he's lucky.
gmccord1970 4 months ago
Damn, he didn't quite flare at the right time.
motokid032 3 years ago
very good pilot
maek40 3 years ago
Damn - evidently a mechanical.......but that was a HARD landing and it must have been a rental plane cause - two bladed prop? - I would have pulled the mixture on short final and at least gave that one shot that the prop would stop horizontal and save the strike and subsequent tear down. Glad he made it out all right though.
tomchaplin77 3 years ago 8
what happened to the flare? LOL,,,,good job man,,,look's usable after an overhaul and welding the gear down
tailwheelflier 3 years ago