@crookedwiretap89 But what you're saying is completely stupid and evil wolves are an intelligent wild animal that play a very important part in the ecosystem to wipe them all out would cause a very drastic chain of effects. Any way i'm gonna block you know cause i can't help myself you're just to stupid it makes feel sorry for you so i have to try talk sense into you .Now go take a long hard look at your self you fucking moron
@crookedwiretap89 Im stupid for what?Not jerking off to your dognigger because it looks so SPESHUL END MUJESTIC UMGLUMG?Wolves have the unexplained need to eat their own shit and run away from anything bigger than them, its because they aren't evolved enough, kill them all.
@chairincarnate Well one for thinking wolves simply evolved into dogs, domestic dogs came about from taming and selective breeding of over thousands of years. 2 SPESHUL END MUJESTIC UMGLUMG? lmfao! learn to spell dick head. The rest of the proof is kinda in the pudding people like you really need to be wiped of the face of the earth there is to many of you and you're fucking our planet up with your single minded uneducated view on everything. Now fuck off i'm not wasting any more time on you
@crookedwiretap89 I know that wolves evolved into domestic dogs because we tamed them you fucking retard, dogs are superior to wolves because we fucking made sure they should be.When I said SPESHUL END MUJESTIC UMGLUMG I was making fun of you wolfaboos masturbating to smelly stretched out wolf vagina, I guess you educated wolfaboos can't be bothered with things like basic communication, you probably take a piss on every person you meet and than try to rip his shoes off with your teeth.
@crookedwiretap89 However, is your dog a nigger?No, it is not, it is a civilized member of human society, it does some useful shit, what do wolves do?They run around all they, eat their own shit, and than try to eat other animals and unfortunate tourists, because they are dogniggers and have nigger genes.Why are dogs going extinct?Oh wait, they aren't because they are smart enough not to be wildniggers and side with the winners, wolves however are too dumb for that. let there be NAPALM.
@isarose1 lrn2French lol, at the beginning of the video, it says the wolves do not want to attack the humans, but the wolves represent a danger to them (because it's a territorial thing).
@DogSoldier011 LMAO a wolf would tear a malamutes ass up. NOW....a wolf would get his ass ripped apart by an ovcharka.....those beasts arent known as wolf-slayers in russia for nothing.
@4RMORMECH are you kidding me ? a mauamlte is a halling dog thats a heavyweight ive wittnessed wolves trying to tangal with one then get their asses handed to them by mamaultes their big 130 lbs that can throw their weight around, they may not be as heavy or tansoius as an ovcharka. butthey can hold their own againt a wolf, most meduim sized dogs can chase a wolf away, wolves need their packs !
@DogSoldier011 Ohhhh okay well that's my fault then, I've never seen a malamute fighting a wolf. They do need their packs that's true, but if you've seen them fight a wolf that's awesome. I'm going through "the grey"(a movie) syndrome right now, I'm thinking wolves are unstoppable but I think that movie was exaggerated a bit.
@4RMORMECH nah only towards humans wolves can be dangerous if their bold enough.but a wolf is a very smart predator, so he couldnt risk getting injuired, ive seen many of my unlces & my hunting curs chase wolves off the lot,& ther're not even that big when the wolf is 120 lbs + becuase they want scraps from the fishing. when it comes to human contact the wolf is just outmatched.
oui je comprend mais il y a un imbécile sur cette page qui insulte les gens qui sont contre la tuerie des loups et qui m'écrit pour m'invectiver de bêtise parce que je suis amérindienne.
@nebraska8441 HI Nebraska , enchanté , ne répond pas à la bêtise , beaucoup d'ignorants , bonjour à toi et tes proches .
Je viens de lire que tu aimais le film "Antarti, c'est le 1er qui est magnifique , musique de Vangelis et les chiens wahouhouuuu eskimo-dogs de Sakaline , karafuto , du lourd , dans le 2ème , pfff des huskies tout neuf , toilettés même pas de vrais Indian-dogs
@Cuvac if your freak'n french you better shut the Hell up because you all are the biggest faggots and hugest bitches in the, world WWII, point proven LMAO Dumb ass...
@79speeddemon : It is called Malamute and also there is a massive difference between the two breeds. Normally it is very easy to tell Huskies from Malamutes. We had 2 Malamutes, so I know all about them....
@mechotechno : Wrong. They normally use the 2 main breeds in the pack to pull the sleigh: huskies for speed (they are slender) and Malamutes for their strength & stamina (they are stockier). Sometimes they even insert Samoyed (large, white and Fluffy) or the other Syberian breeds.
do not know if the video was well, I could not see the end, I was afraid to have strong scenes ... but I think they have no right to enter the territory of wolves and want to send
connaisse pas le carcajou ( Wolverines). Aucun animal ne peut venir a bout de cet animal encore plus féroce et dangereux que le loup. C'est en fait le seul animal qui peut venir a bout d'un loup, solitaire ou non. Tout trappeur vous dira que si le carcajou trouve leur ligne de trppe qu'il doive obligatoirement déménager leur pénate car la seule odeur de cet animal répugne a des kil a la ronde et aucun animal ne s'y aventure. Si il entre dans un chalet, mettez y le feu car vous n'y pourrez rien.
le seul animal capable de tuer un loup serait le carcajou et je parle en connaissance de cause. Ne jamais croiser cette bête que vous soyez animal ou homme. Tous trappeurs savent que si un carcajou trouve leur ligne de trappe que c'en est terminé. Il urine et l'odeur st tellement nauséabonde que plus aucun animal approche le territoire et si il visite une habitation chalet ou autre aussi bien y mettre le feu car l'odeur s'imprègne et vous n'y pourrez rien. Ceux qui déteste le loup ne
je suis désolée de vous contredire. Aucun chien qu'il soit malamuth ou non ne peut venir a bout d'un loup. Nous parlons ici d'un animal sauvage, prédateur de choix si il en est un et il représente le parfait équilibre dans la nature. Cependant je dois contredire une partie de commentaire, oui il arrive que parmi les loups comme chez d'autres races en nature il y ait des handicaps mais ces loups meurent dans les premiers mois de naissance. Ils ne peuvent survivre.
J'ai eu 2 huskies, face a un adversaire qui ne fait pas partie de la meute, ils font front et ici vu le surnombre des chiens, si ils avaient été détachés, je pense qu'il y aurait eu des pertes dans les 2 camps.
Genre 4 ou 5 loups qui chopent 2 des chiens et 10 chiens qui chopent 2 loups.
Au de la, de ça cette vidéo est surprenante, merci pour la découverte, ViscontiGino .
Donc victoire au chien de traineux, je suis pas sur...
Leur surnombre ne leur sert a rien, une grande armée desorganisé perd face a une petite armée organisé.
Leur puissance ou leur agilité... Faible par rapport a celle des loups...
Désolé de ma volubilité, mais sa a tendance a menervé les pronostique alors qu'on y connait rien. Moi je connais rien au foot, je vais pas allez dire que une équipe de CFA va gagner contre une de L1 par ce que je la prefere. Je vais me taire et attendre kon mexplique
Enfin, les loups sont bien plus rapide et bien plus agile que les chien, il sont sauvage et ont besoin de c'est qualité pour survivre.
Grace a la selection naturel, chaque individu d'une meute possede les gene de generation de loups vaillant et en parfaite santé, avec une musculatures et une anatomie parfaite, il n'y a pas d'handicapé ou de "petite nature" a l'état sauvage.
C'est pas le cas des chien, les homme sont capable de maintenir les plus faible en vie et transmette leur tare.
Pas les chiens, si un chien tue, c'est par accident, trop de brutalité qui entraine la mort ou un adversaire trop fragile. Il ne savent pas mettre a mort une proie ou un ennemi, sauf si l'homme les pousse, et apart dans la brutalité, il ne savent pas faire.
C'est l'homme qui les nouri et les protege (comme dans la video)
Les loups se nourisse seul et ce protege seul, il savent tuer rapidement et proprement.
Les chien pendant un combat contre la meute serait capables de se mordre entre aux dans le feu du combats, de se géné mutuellement, alors que les loups eux ne se gene pas, ne se morde pas entre eux,etc...
Le combat qui eclate entre les chien en et bien la preuve, chez la meute la hierachie et bien determiné, les seul combat sont ceux pour le role de dominant, jamais de bagarre general.
Les loups possede un potentiel intelectuelle 40% superieur a celui du chien.
Les loups vivent en meute, agissent en meute, savent s'organiser et communiquer pour ce battre ou chasser ensemble, aucun loups ne genera un autres loups de sa meute pendant un combats, il savent qu'elle chien frappé et a qu'elle moment, la preuve le male alfa a attqué l'homme car il sais que c'est lui le dominant.
Les chien sont incapable de s'organiser, pour eux c'est chacun pour soit.
Enfin bon tu ne pouvais pas savoir, moi aussi quand j'avais 10 ans je confonder les husky et autres chien de traineaux avec des chien loups.
Encore quelque detail pour toi.
Le loups possede une machoire capable de brisée les os, pas le chien ( a part les pitt bull, masstiff...) 150kg/cm2 de pression dans la machoire des les loups contre 60,70kg/cm2 pour les chien. Pour ca il te suffit de regarder la video, la machoire des loups et bien plus allongé que celle des chien.
Tu croix donc que les chien aurait était victorieux... Laisse moi t'aider un peu dans ta reflexion. Deja ce ne sont pas des chien loups, mais differentes race de chien de traineaux (husky, malamute, groenlandais, etc...) sont des chien comme les autres, alors qu'il existe seulement de race de chien loups, le tchecoslovaque et le sarloos, qui eux sont comme leurs nom l'indique, mi chien mi loups, qui sont a moitier loups dans leur gene donc difficillement dressable et ne tirons jamais un traineau
for those who want english this is what the above says .....Isle of Ellesmere, wolves have been following the caravan of days of sled dogs and mushers when a limit probably territorial, he launched an attack! Ellesmere wolf does not know the man is not accustomed to his presence, which explains this attitude as the rest of Alaska in North America as in Canada, just the man to brandish a gun and the Timber-Wolf fled!
@Amidat English sheepdog, canaan. Sorry, slash the corgis. They weren't supposed to be in there XD.
I have heard the best are the Great Pyranese and the German Rottweiler, The GP being the better of the two because of completely white and very thick sheep-like fur. Blends in well and adds to a surprise attack.
@plusCHEESE Absolute crap ! ......the pyrenean mountain dog s white so as not to alarm the sheep & so the shepherd can distinguish his dogs from the wolves , especially at night). Like many of these mountain breeds bred to protect the livestock from large predators, like to make their presence felt. At the sight of danger (usually spotted some distance away) the dogs will advance, barking & usually scare the predator away. Most predators will attack at night & it's better the dogs can be seen.
@blacktimberw Ah, so why aren't rottweilers white then, hmm? I'm going to go with the judgement of my friend, who owns and works regularly with the Great Pyrenees. And goodness, relax. This isn't a competition, but a conversation...
@plusCHEESE I'm perfectly relaxed thanks, just trying to inform you. I assume by the rottveiler comment that you believe they are livestock protection dogs. Rottweilers are drover dogs, that is they were originally bred to herd cattle. They have changed quite a bit over the last century, becoming much larger & stockier & a very effective & reliable guard dog (for humans not cattle ) very few, work with cattle today.
There were no predators (except 2 legged kinds) at the time in Germany.
@plusCHEESE - you have to understand that the "blacktimberw" person thinks they know everything. calling what you said "absolute crap" in his eyes is nothing wrong with it... it's the most intellectual way he could have responded in his viewpoint.
@plusCHEESE There are mountain protection breeds, anatolians, charplaninatz, tibetain & spanish mastiffs for example, that are not white. This is both a cultural thing ( some nations don't like white) & a pratical thing. in that the white dogs often work in closer proximity with man & so it is better the shepherd can distinguish his dogs from the darker wolves, especially if he shoots.
The darker coloured dogs, are usually left more on their own & only visited a few times a week to be fed.
@plusCHEESE - yes I knew... I was actually playing a game with this "black timber" character who doesn't understand that an aggressive mountain dog and a sheperd dog being different doesn't mean that a sheperd dog wouldn't lay down it's life for it's flock. He just wants to be right... but ends up looking foolish.
i am sure many viewer want to know and what happen after the video ends. Please provide information about where i can get the complete video, merci beaucoup.
Facinating, & I thought I knew a lot about wolves, well done to the guys, I'm sure they had a firearm with them in case of a polar bear attack but they refused to use it, & those dogs didn't seem at all worried about being surrounded & attacked by the wolves..........shame we can't see the whole episode without editing & who was filming?............................
@blacktimberw - I don't understand what was difficult about what I said. you made a point about eskimo dogs being used to these wolves... and I'm saying they also are used to polar bears as well. Many times eskimo dogs encounter polar bears... sometimes while their masters are sleeping... they are very brave dogs.
@Amidat I didn't say anything about the dogs being USED to the wolves. I know sled dogs do encounter polar bears & the Inuit used to hunt the bears with thier dogs which kept the animal at bay until the hunters arrived.
Nowadays the majority of dogs spend their lives chained to the front of houses due to the change in lifestyle & the use of ski- doos ( snowmobiles) by the Inuits.
@blacktimberw - well I guess I'm confused... saying the dogs "didn't seem at all worried" seem to infer that they are used to them... Also i wasn't talking about when they hunted bears... i'm talking on there days to day lives where they would encounter them (like in this video).... in any event - yeah I know the change in lifestyle. which sadly is no way for those dogs to live now. Thankfully some ppl keep up tradition.
@Amidat As well as being against religion I'm also against many traditions. The Inuit, though have a very high regard & respect for wild animals, the same cannot be said for their attitude to dogs.
They were considered as beasts of burden & that was all. They were trained & controlled by the whip & club, under-nourished & regulaly killed if they proved too difficult to handle.& If they chewed their harnesses they would have their carnasial teeth knocked out.
@blacktimberw - it's nice to say education is greater than tradition - but try to survive as they did (or have to). I can't say if abuse is a part of their culture - but I do know that the environment they live in is very harsh and they don't have the luxury of keeping animals that can't carry their weight. It would consume scarce resources. As far as discipline - again - the environment is harsh so it's not like the dogs are docile..in a canine pack discipline is paramount.
@blacktimberw - not an excuse... but it is a reality... and it's always easy to criticize something without having to live through it. For instance - if they let the dogs go that are "too difficult" they will end up starving or getting eaten by wolves or polar bears. It's a tough choice to make...
@Amidat A little bit of canine psycology goes a long way.. You obviously have a great indulgence towards bad behviour, always finding excuses. I bet you could find a good reason behind war, genocides, mass exterminations of animals, ethnic cleansing etc. ....according to you, a harsh life pardons everything.
I wonder if you would be so forgiving if anything happened to you personally. Would you dare critcise your aggressors or would you say it was O.K. because they had deprived childhoods.?
@blacktimberw - actually I grew up in a very tough urban environment. the top intellectuals like to pontificate about - but couldn't last a month if they had to endure it. So in your brilliant canine psychology - what would you do under these circumstances with a stubborn dog?? Sorry - but they don't have the time or resources to call the "dog whisperer". Personally - I probably would let it go because I only kill pests - but I know it would die not too soon after.
@Amidat The inuit had a great understanding & knowledge of wild animals, but these animals had spirits & so the inuit had to respect & honor them or else they would not let themselves be hunted. Dogs on the other hand did/do not have spirits & so man is not answerable to the animal master & so treated them as machines. It doesn't take much effort to try & understand a dog, they just didn't have the will.
I am a canine behaviourist & dog trainer, though not in the same league as Mr. Millan.
@blacktimberw - you didn't answer my question... I said what would YOU DO if you lived in that environment? Also - if you are a professional canine expert then how could you possibly not know that there are many herding type dogs that also protected livestock from predators? Breeds in England - Holland - German - Australia etc..
@Amidat I'll answer!! I'd have brought a gun (with blanks. I don't like killing things), or a shovel and personally gone after the wolves. It may not be the smartest thing to do, but I threw a brick at a pitt to get him off my dog. Mess with my dogs, and you'll get it. You'll live through it, but you wont soon forget me.
As for the many herding types, there are. Collies, Rottweilers, Pyranese, Bernese mountain dogs (I think), Australian shepard/cattledog/healer(???), corgis, german sheperd,
@plusCHEESE - yeah - you are actually much more sensible than this other guy with his pontifications... who would probably wet his pants if he ever had any experiences like this. Yeah - I didn't even want to mention dogs like Rottweilers that were herding dogs and certainly would fight a predator - win or lose.
@Amidat If I was in that enviroment I would train & educate the dogs & resolve any behaviour problems the dogs may have.
I would like to know what breeds you are talking about, that protected herds from predateurs. There are no breeds of shepherd dog that I can think of that were capable of defending livestock from predators ( wolves, bears, lynx etc.) There are no breeds in the countries you mentioned since there are no longer any predators, unless you're thinking of the 2 legged kind.
@blacktimberw - you really must live in fantasy world if you think living in that type of harsh environment with scarce resources and "train & educate the dogs & resolve any behavior problems". That's the problem with people with book smarts and no experience. They think they know how to handle things they have never experienced.
@blacktimberw - oh you mean there aren't much predators because they were shot, trapped, and poisoned by the people in so called "civilized" nations right???? And I guess you don't know the saying that it's not the size of the dog in the fight..?? Just because they can't physically compete DOES NOT mean that the animal wouldn't try to defend the livestock. Again - you just read books and have haven't seen what happens in the real world.
@Amidat To get back to the original point, you stated that German Shepherds were bred to protect livestock from predators & I'm telling you they were most definatly not. True ,wolves were killed to extinction in many European countries, as they were in most states in the USA, don't blame me for it, I love wolves & would never do anything to harm them.
The odd GSD who may throw himself at a predator, should he ever see one, does not make it a breed charateristic.
@Amidat A good herding dog is more valuable to shepherd or rancher than his stock. It took many months, sometimes years to train & perfect, so a stockman does not want to see his dog(s) killed.
Shepherd dogs do not attack other dogs on sight as a rule, just as they wouldn't attack a wolf, mountain dogs on the other hand would attack both, it is in their genes, they recieve no training & are expected to protect the flocks without the presence of their masters.
@blacktimberw - you are being facetious - (instead of saying you don't know what you would do) but I will play your little game for right now... Australian Cattle Dogs - English Sheperds - Austrialian Sheperds - Belgian Sheperds -Dutch Sheperds - Old German Sheperds etc. etc. etc.
@Amidat I told you what I would do, I never give up on a dog.
I'm sorry to break your illusions but the breeds you cited, were created & bred to herd, not to protect the livestock from predators, The german & belgian shepherds do possess guarding instincts, but more for their masters & homes. shepherd dogs do not stay with the flocks, they work with their masters & at night when most predators attack, the dogs would be either with their masters or tied up somewhere.
@Amidat None of the breeds you mentioned could stand up to a wolf let lone a bear. In Australia the dingo was the only threat to sheep,from which the cattle dog is descended, was no match for a dingo who attacked the vast herds far from human habitation & dogs. English sheepdogs (rough & smooth ...border..&..bearded colleys, bobtails etc. never saw predators & would be incapable of defending livesock against them.....likewise the belgian & german shepherds,( created about a century ago)
@blacktimberw - it doesn't matter if they can stand up to predators. The point is that they would try. That was a simple reality. Just as these dogs face wolves and polar bears and would get shred to pieces. Karelian bear dogs and Norwegian elk hounds would get torn apart in a fight with a bear... but they still take them on. I see you just refuse to admit when you are incorrect... but it's ok... just as you wont state what you would have done if you had to keep dogs in this environment.
@Amidat I'm begining to doubt your sanity. I've told you what I would do with the sled dogs in those conditions.
Shepherd dogs would not attack a predator & were never expected to. They develped in the absence of large predators & their sole aim was to guide & herd livestock for & with man. They never work alone without their masters.
For a dog to attack a predator it not only has to have certain hunting instincts but also a hereditery hatred of predators & a strong will to dominate.
@blacktimberw - attacking and defending are two different things. For someone who claims to have so much education - why can't you understand that? Mountain livestock dogs were bred by different people in different regions of the world... simple as that. Your so-called facts are greatly distorted. As far as the idealistic "I never give up on a dog"... yeah - that's because you never had to hunt for your food in sub-zero temperatures!!
@Amidat Mountain dogs were created & bred in areas where there were large predators, to protect the livestock. Many of these areas have both the large mountain breeds for protection & smaller shepherd dogs for the herding. France, Italy, Spain Portugal, Croatia for example where there are still populations of wolves (bears for the pyrenees) have both national mountain dogs & regional shepherd dogs.( not always recognised by kennel clubs)
@blacktimberw - I wonder if you have ever even been on a farm... I've known of "mutts" who would defend any animal on the farm against any threat.. human or predatory animal. You just don't get it. I bet you don't know human sheperds also would take on predatory animals... in Africa and Asia they still do. Is that in your books you are reading?
@Amidat You're leaving the subject a little there! There are conflicts between Humans & predators in both Africa & India, due largely to the explosion of the human poulation, so the need for more cultivating land & the encroachment into the animals living space.
Farm dogs may try to defend the farm, but fido has no chance against a120lb wolf or a bear, but then again he wasn't bred to.
It's not because a dog barks at a possum, you can assume he'll attack a wolf.
@Amidat Shepherd dogs do not possess these traits which is why the mountains breeds( descended from mastiffs) were created. They have the size, aggression & instincts to protect the herds & flocks & remain all their lives in amoungst them.
elkhounds & karlian bear dogs are rarely killed since they are used to track then keep the prey at bay until their masters arrive. They do not attempt to kill the animal.
If you wish to continue to believe in fantasies you can, I prefer facts.
@blacktimberw - you said elkhounds and karelians "track and keep the pray at bay". DUH - any sheperd dog worth it's weight would do the same thing. Elkhounds and Karelians would mix it up with a bear that stands it's ground... they didn't have to kill the bear... just like sheperd dogs weren't expected to kill the predator but to certainly DEFEND!!! YOu are dense!!!
@Amidat There's none so deaf as those that don't want to hear. I have studied & worked with many breeds of dogs for the past 31 years. I know how dogs will react & why in any given circumstance. I know the history behind nearly all the 450 breeds recognised by International canine clubs & federations. I have hunted with dogs, I have worked with shepherd & drover dogs both with livestock & as guard dogs.I have trained siberian huskies & malamutes. I know what dogs are capable of..
@blacktimberw - it's a waste of time arguing with you. someone else even had to come and prove to you - but you still don't accept it. I guess you only have worked with some type of laboratory robot dogs... I'll just leave you with this... where my mother lives persons are able to tell when a coyote - black bear - or even deer are in the area at night... how? the dogs go crazy... which keeps them off of the property.. and none of them are mountain livestock dogs.... I'm done here.
@Amidat It's not because a dog barks or goes " crazy" at the presence of other animals around it's home that it can be considered a good livestock protector nor that it was bred specifically for that purpose.
Your remarks about working with robot dogs is just about what I would expect from you. Me too, I'm fed with discussing this subject, it's like talking to a brick wall !
I know what I know, you believe what you wish to. I only tried to inform you, ......
@blacktimberw - well it doesn't matter what your book says... I'm telling you exactly how I know and have seen them used. sorry if that doesn't fit into your dissertation for school. I know what the books say because I can read too... but I'm telling you first and second hand experiences. Another person came on here and tells you the same and you still hold on. Oh well... no sweat for me. Adios.
@Amidat I can tell English isn't your first language. Youtube isn't exactly the best place to find intellegent & well thought out arguments & you're a prime example.
Childish insults & sarcasm just diminue your credibility, had you made your point more clearly & stuck to the original statement you made concerning GSD's, this "debate" would have ended a long time ago.
I wish you well & hope you never have to depend on one of your mongrels to defend you against a predator. ................Adieu.
@blacktimberw - you are wrong on so many levels it's astonishing. But that is what it's like for ppl who are "too smart for their own good". The last statements you made are so way off base I don't even know how you got any of the degrees you say you have. You must not have done well in critical thinking. And for the record... you are the ones with most of the insults... And don't "wish you well"... you don't mean it. Leave it as is.
@blacktimberw - nope I'm not an expert.. just a man. you didn't say you had degrees... only that you know "just about everything about dogs". I thought to make that kind of statement persons have letters behind their name? In any event...I don't eat candy. Only a little girl or a parent who doesn't know how to reason with a child offers candy to placate someone... this from the person who claims that if they had to live like an eskimo they could "never give up on a dog".
@Amidat The candy wasn't to" placate" you but t'was a reward for your homework. Pretend all you like, I know you're disappointed not to get your lollipop..
@blacktimberw - i don't play the lollypop jokes... don't try to be an internet tough guy... I will leave it there before I say something to get myself banned from YouTube.
@Amidat Shepherd dogs have very little hunting instincts & elkhounds & Karelian bear dogs cannot be trusted with stock. Not every shepherd dog could be relied upon to protect his master, let alone attack a predator. A dog's reaction depends on many factors, hereditary, education, experiences, etc.
Just out of interest, have you ever seen a shepherd dog launch it's self onto a predator ?
In countries where flocks are at risk from predation, mountain breeds are used & not shepherd dogs.
@Amidat I criticize a lot of things I haven't lived through,......War, animal cruelty ,rape, infringement of Human rights, lack of access to education & free health cover to name but a few......
@jdwildish - maybe they don't believe in shooting just for the sake of shooting... it's obvious the wolves weren't trying to attack the people... they wanted the cargo. If they don't have to kill them - then why do it? If they attack a person then that is different... but obviously the people are used to it... likewise the dogs.
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@crookedwiretap89 But what you're saying is completely stupid and evil wolves are an intelligent wild animal that play a very important part in the ecosystem to wipe them all out would cause a very drastic chain of effects. Any way i'm gonna block you know cause i can't help myself you're just to stupid it makes feel sorry for you so i have to try talk sense into you .Now go take a long hard look at your self you fucking moron
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Kill all the dogniggers using helicopters flamethrowers and napalm bombs.The wolf evolved into a dog, the remaining wolves are genetic left overs.
chairincarnate 6 days ago
Kill all the dogniggers using helicopters flamethrowers and napalm bombs.The wolf evolved into a dog, the remaining wolves are genetic left overs.
chairincarnate 6 days ago
@chairincarnate Wow it amazes me how stupid you are..
crookedwiretap89 4 days ago
@crookedwiretap89 Im stupid for what?Not jerking off to your dognigger because it looks so SPESHUL END MUJESTIC UMGLUMG?Wolves have the unexplained need to eat their own shit and run away from anything bigger than them, its because they aren't evolved enough, kill them all.
chairincarnate 4 days ago
@chairincarnate Well one for thinking wolves simply evolved into dogs, domestic dogs came about from taming and selective breeding of over thousands of years. 2 SPESHUL END MUJESTIC UMGLUMG? lmfao! learn to spell dick head. The rest of the proof is kinda in the pudding people like you really need to be wiped of the face of the earth there is to many of you and you're fucking our planet up with your single minded uneducated view on everything. Now fuck off i'm not wasting any more time on you
crookedwiretap89 4 days ago
@crookedwiretap89 I know that wolves evolved into domestic dogs because we tamed them you fucking retard, dogs are superior to wolves because we fucking made sure they should be.When I said SPESHUL END MUJESTIC UMGLUMG I was making fun of you wolfaboos masturbating to smelly stretched out wolf vagina, I guess you educated wolfaboos can't be bothered with things like basic communication, you probably take a piss on every person you meet and than try to rip his shoes off with your teeth.
chairincarnate 4 days ago
@crookedwiretap89 However, is your dog a nigger?No, it is not, it is a civilized member of human society, it does some useful shit, what do wolves do?They run around all they, eat their own shit, and than try to eat other animals and unfortunate tourists, because they are dogniggers and have nigger genes.Why are dogs going extinct?Oh wait, they aren't because they are smart enough not to be wildniggers and side with the winners, wolves however are too dumb for that. let there be NAPALM.
chairincarnate 1 day ago
Them snow dogs seem brutal on eachother. Wonder what both them and their handlers would do to them wolves
MrRnizio1 1 week ago
wtf are they saying!!!!!
isarose1 2 weeks ago
@isarose1 lrn2French lol, at the beginning of the video, it says the wolves do not want to attack the humans, but the wolves represent a danger to them (because it's a territorial thing).
VraiDiouf 4 days ago
What is the name of the documentary???
fogreyiz 3 weeks ago
wow wolves are generally terrified of humans... they seem only slightly uneasy here.... not a good sign.
7annik 3 weeks ago
Il cane è quella giusta, ma in generale la carne di cavallo è un argomento obaldet′ appena yum, specialmente Kazi...
314Zipo 4 weeks ago
a singal wolf would never mess with a Maulamte.
DogSoldier011 1 month ago
@DogSoldier011 LMAO a wolf would tear a malamutes ass up. NOW....a wolf would get his ass ripped apart by an ovcharka.....those beasts arent known as wolf-slayers in russia for nothing.
4RMORMECH 3 weeks ago
@4RMORMECH are you kidding me ? a mauamlte is a halling dog thats a heavyweight ive wittnessed wolves trying to tangal with one then get their asses handed to them by mamaultes their big 130 lbs that can throw their weight around, they may not be as heavy or tansoius as an ovcharka. butthey can hold their own againt a wolf, most meduim sized dogs can chase a wolf away, wolves need their packs !
DogSoldier011 3 weeks ago
@DogSoldier011 Ohhhh okay well that's my fault then, I've never seen a malamute fighting a wolf. They do need their packs that's true, but if you've seen them fight a wolf that's awesome. I'm going through "the grey"(a movie) syndrome right now, I'm thinking wolves are unstoppable but I think that movie was exaggerated a bit.
4RMORMECH 3 weeks ago
@4RMORMECH nah only towards humans wolves can be dangerous if their bold enough.but a wolf is a very smart predator, so he couldnt risk getting injuired, ive seen many of my unlces & my hunting curs chase wolves off the lot,& ther're not even that big when the wolf is 120 lbs + becuase they want scraps from the fishing. when it comes to human contact the wolf is just outmatched.
DogSoldier011 3 weeks ago
Why not carry a rifle or two with you in those kind of environments? Seriously a good old .30-30 lever would do the trick.
Peidmonte89 1 month ago
@Peidmonte89 I'd prefer a Browning BPS 10 gauge shotgun with buckshot, but hey, your call
jjw2795 1 month ago
@jjw2795 to each his own good sir, both will do the job but the .30-30 will save the shoulder and a pair is better still!
Peidmonte89 1 month ago
soudns like the dude off of spongebob if yuo ask me...
BooAndMelodyGuineas 1 month ago
@jack14lala
oui je comprend mais il y a un imbécile sur cette page qui insulte les gens qui sont contre la tuerie des loups et qui m'écrit pour m'invectiver de bêtise parce que je suis amérindienne.
nebraska8441 1 month ago
@nebraska8441 HI Nebraska , enchanté , ne répond pas à la bêtise , beaucoup d'ignorants , bonjour à toi et tes proches .
Je viens de lire que tu aimais le film "Antarti, c'est le 1er qui est magnifique , musique de Vangelis et les chiens wahouhouuuu eskimo-dogs de Sakaline , karafuto , du lourd , dans le 2ème , pfff des huskies tout neuf , toilettés même pas de vrais Indian-dogs
ViscontiGino 1 month ago
@ViscontiGino oups problem de clavier Antartica"
ViscontiGino 1 month ago
Balto lmfao free the sled dogs
penepapidulce 1 month ago
i had a petl wolf when i was a toddler i still remember that wolf he was nice and always let me ride on him
nativekids2010 1 month ago
Can someone explain what is happening in this video, please. In English, please. To me it seemed like the wolves were trying to set the dogs free.
kathykisslight 1 month ago
@Cuvac if your freak'n french you better shut the Hell up because you all are the biggest faggots and hugest bitches in the, world WWII, point proven LMAO Dumb ass...
Alite71 1 month ago
i think one of the huskies was in heat, attracting the wolves... causing them to fight eachother
jordmusky 1 month ago
LMaO@ "eskimo-dogs" - thats kind of cute, really. haha
trje246 2 months ago
eskimo dogs are called huskys
mechotechno 2 months ago
@mechotechno Siberian huskys and Malimutes or however you spell it but i dont really know the difference. thats just what i been told they use
79speeddemon 2 months ago
@79speeddemon : It is called Malamute and also there is a massive difference between the two breeds. Normally it is very easy to tell Huskies from Malamutes. We had 2 Malamutes, so I know all about them....
kathykisslight 1 month ago
@mechotechno : Wrong. They normally use the 2 main breeds in the pack to pull the sleigh: huskies for speed (they are slender) and Malamutes for their strength & stamina (they are stockier). Sometimes they even insert Samoyed (large, white and Fluffy) or the other Syberian breeds.
kathykisslight 1 month ago
io lo unico q e visto es cmo los perros d ese derepente se pelean todos....q malos
LioNKortS 2 months ago
Why were all the dogs fighting each other?
cheatingwanker 2 months ago
@cheatingwanker those kind of dogs play rough
piglett2195 1 month ago
vous parlez de pire qu'un loup ici et les humains peuvent avoir ces bêtes en leur possession?
nebraska8441 2 months ago
alguem pode por favor me explicar oque aconteceu no video? por que eu não entendi nada
bruninhasafari 2 months ago
Merci pour ce très interessant video.
TehruX11 2 months ago
fuck french...why italians, spanish and portugese could be shutch easy latin lenguages...
Maiku87 2 months ago
@Maiku87 sut the fuk up noob racist get a life
010101creator 2 months ago
do not know if the video was well, I could not see the end, I was afraid to have strong scenes ... but I think they have no right to enter the territory of wolves and want to send
leander527 3 months ago
connaisse pas le carcajou ( Wolverines). Aucun animal ne peut venir a bout de cet animal encore plus féroce et dangereux que le loup. C'est en fait le seul animal qui peut venir a bout d'un loup, solitaire ou non. Tout trappeur vous dira que si le carcajou trouve leur ligne de trppe qu'il doive obligatoirement déménager leur pénate car la seule odeur de cet animal répugne a des kil a la ronde et aucun animal ne s'y aventure. Si il entre dans un chalet, mettez y le feu car vous n'y pourrez rien.
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le seul animal capable de tuer un loup serait le carcajou et je parle en connaissance de cause. Ne jamais croiser cette bête que vous soyez animal ou homme. Tous trappeurs savent que si un carcajou trouve leur ligne de trappe que c'en est terminé. Il urine et l'odeur st tellement nauséabonde que plus aucun animal approche le territoire et si il visite une habitation chalet ou autre aussi bien y mettre le feu car l'odeur s'imprègne et vous n'y pourrez rien. Ceux qui déteste le loup ne
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@jack141lala
je suis désolée de vous contredire. Aucun chien qu'il soit malamuth ou non ne peut venir a bout d'un loup. Nous parlons ici d'un animal sauvage, prédateur de choix si il en est un et il représente le parfait équilibre dans la nature. Cependant je dois contredire une partie de commentaire, oui il arrive que parmi les loups comme chez d'autres races en nature il y ait des handicaps mais ces loups meurent dans les premiers mois de naissance. Ils ne peuvent survivre.
nebraska8441 4 months ago
@nebraska8441 Mais je ne parlais pas de un contre un, dans le cas dont on parle, les chiens sont en surnombre.
jack141lala 1 month ago
Most western faggots can only think of shooting and killing that wolf.
Good job!
Cuvac 4 months ago
why use a whip? lol its for long range...what if you miss.the wolf will eat your ass. then you cant fight back coz you only hold a whip...
weward 5 months ago
J'ai eu 2 huskies, face a un adversaire qui ne fait pas partie de la meute, ils font front et ici vu le surnombre des chiens, si ils avaient été détachés, je pense qu'il y aurait eu des pertes dans les 2 camps.
Genre 4 ou 5 loups qui chopent 2 des chiens et 10 chiens qui chopent 2 loups.
Au de la, de ça cette vidéo est surprenante, merci pour la découverte, ViscontiGino .
jack141lala 5 months ago
Donc victoire au chien de traineux, je suis pas sur...
Leur surnombre ne leur sert a rien, une grande armée desorganisé perd face a une petite armée organisé.
Leur puissance ou leur agilité... Faible par rapport a celle des loups...
Désolé de ma volubilité, mais sa a tendance a menervé les pronostique alors qu'on y connait rien. Moi je connais rien au foot, je vais pas allez dire que une équipe de CFA va gagner contre une de L1 par ce que je la prefere. Je vais me taire et attendre kon mexplique
TheQuentinmj 5 months ago
Enfin, les loups sont bien plus rapide et bien plus agile que les chien, il sont sauvage et ont besoin de c'est qualité pour survivre.
Grace a la selection naturel, chaque individu d'une meute possede les gene de generation de loups vaillant et en parfaite santé, avec une musculatures et une anatomie parfaite, il n'y a pas d'handicapé ou de "petite nature" a l'état sauvage.
C'est pas le cas des chien, les homme sont capable de maintenir les plus faible en vie et transmette leur tare.
TheQuentinmj 5 months ago
Encore autres chose.
Les loups savent tuer.
Pas les chiens, si un chien tue, c'est par accident, trop de brutalité qui entraine la mort ou un adversaire trop fragile. Il ne savent pas mettre a mort une proie ou un ennemi, sauf si l'homme les pousse, et apart dans la brutalité, il ne savent pas faire.
C'est l'homme qui les nouri et les protege (comme dans la video)
Les loups se nourisse seul et ce protege seul, il savent tuer rapidement et proprement.
TheQuentinmj 5 months ago
Les chien pendant un combat contre la meute serait capables de se mordre entre aux dans le feu du combats, de se géné mutuellement, alors que les loups eux ne se gene pas, ne se morde pas entre eux,etc...
Le combat qui eclate entre les chien en et bien la preuve, chez la meute la hierachie et bien determiné, les seul combat sont ceux pour le role de dominant, jamais de bagarre general.
TheQuentinmj 5 months ago
Encore autres choses.
Les loups possede un potentiel intelectuelle 40% superieur a celui du chien.
Les loups vivent en meute, agissent en meute, savent s'organiser et communiquer pour ce battre ou chasser ensemble, aucun loups ne genera un autres loups de sa meute pendant un combats, il savent qu'elle chien frappé et a qu'elle moment, la preuve le male alfa a attqué l'homme car il sais que c'est lui le dominant.
Les chien sont incapable de s'organiser, pour eux c'est chacun pour soit.
TheQuentinmj 5 months ago
Enfin bon tu ne pouvais pas savoir, moi aussi quand j'avais 10 ans je confonder les husky et autres chien de traineaux avec des chien loups.
Encore quelque detail pour toi.
Le loups possede une machoire capable de brisée les os, pas le chien ( a part les pitt bull, masstiff...) 150kg/cm2 de pression dans la machoire des les loups contre 60,70kg/cm2 pour les chien. Pour ca il te suffit de regarder la video, la machoire des loups et bien plus allongé que celle des chien.
TheQuentinmj 5 months ago
Tu croix donc que les chien aurait était victorieux... Laisse moi t'aider un peu dans ta reflexion. Deja ce ne sont pas des chien loups, mais differentes race de chien de traineaux (husky, malamute, groenlandais, etc...) sont des chien comme les autres, alors qu'il existe seulement de race de chien loups, le tchecoslovaque et le sarloos, qui eux sont comme leurs nom l'indique, mi chien mi loups, qui sont a moitier loups dans leur gene donc difficillement dressable et ne tirons jamais un traineau
TheQuentinmj 5 months ago
A mon humble avis si les chiens loups n'étaient pas attachés, les loups seraient tous morts.
iasca100 6 months ago
I guess these people never herd of a GUN.
ThatDirtyDogAgain 6 months ago
Awesome.
rmp1809 6 months ago
The sight of the 4 wolves on the horizon was both beautiful and terrifying.
WunderDoob 6 months ago
great video! Thanks for sharing!
tabitabihayhay 8 months ago
dont l'état est-il? Je pense qu'il est du Canada
rodtorre7 8 months ago
for those who want english this is what the above says .....Isle of Ellesmere, wolves have been following the caravan of days of sled dogs and mushers when a limit probably territorial, he launched an attack! Ellesmere wolf does not know the man is not accustomed to his presence, which explains this attitude as the rest of Alaska in North America as in Canada, just the man to brandish a gun and the Timber-Wolf fled!
SHADYHOOF 8 months ago
@Amidat English sheepdog, canaan. Sorry, slash the corgis. They weren't supposed to be in there XD.
I have heard the best are the Great Pyranese and the German Rottweiler, The GP being the better of the two because of completely white and very thick sheep-like fur. Blends in well and adds to a surprise attack.
Hope I helped in some way. ^_^
plusCHEESE 9 months ago
@plusCHEESE Absolute crap ! ......the pyrenean mountain dog s white so as not to alarm the sheep & so the shepherd can distinguish his dogs from the wolves , especially at night). Like many of these mountain breeds bred to protect the livestock from large predators, like to make their presence felt. At the sight of danger (usually spotted some distance away) the dogs will advance, barking & usually scare the predator away. Most predators will attack at night & it's better the dogs can be seen.
blacktimberw 9 months ago
@blacktimberw Ah, so why aren't rottweilers white then, hmm? I'm going to go with the judgement of my friend, who owns and works regularly with the Great Pyrenees. And goodness, relax. This isn't a competition, but a conversation...
plusCHEESE 9 months ago
@plusCHEESE I'm perfectly relaxed thanks, just trying to inform you. I assume by the rottveiler comment that you believe they are livestock protection dogs. Rottweilers are drover dogs, that is they were originally bred to herd cattle. They have changed quite a bit over the last century, becoming much larger & stockier & a very effective & reliable guard dog (for humans not cattle ) very few, work with cattle today.
There were no predators (except 2 legged kinds) at the time in Germany.
blacktimberw 8 months ago
@blacktimberw Yes, because "Absolute crap!" screams relaxed to me...
Alright then, I'll bite. Where did you learn or get all of this information?
plusCHEESE 8 months ago
@plusCHEESE - you have to understand that the "blacktimberw" person thinks they know everything. calling what you said "absolute crap" in his eyes is nothing wrong with it... it's the most intellectual way he could have responded in his viewpoint.
Amidat 8 months ago
@plusCHEESE There are mountain protection breeds, anatolians, charplaninatz, tibetain & spanish mastiffs for example, that are not white. This is both a cultural thing ( some nations don't like white) & a pratical thing. in that the white dogs often work in closer proximity with man & so it is better the shepherd can distinguish his dogs from the darker wolves, especially if he shoots.
The darker coloured dogs, are usually left more on their own & only visited a few times a week to be fed.
blacktimberw 8 months ago
@plusCHEESE - yes I knew... I was actually playing a game with this "black timber" character who doesn't understand that an aggressive mountain dog and a sheperd dog being different doesn't mean that a sheperd dog wouldn't lay down it's life for it's flock. He just wants to be right... but ends up looking foolish.
Amidat 9 months ago
@Amidat You're the foolish one my dear, Dogs are my life & there's nothing you can tell me about them.
blacktimberw 9 months ago
i am sure many viewer want to know and what happen after the video ends. Please provide information about where i can get the complete video, merci beaucoup.
brothersixteen 10 months ago
Facinating, & I thought I knew a lot about wolves, well done to the guys, I'm sure they had a firearm with them in case of a polar bear attack but they refused to use it, & those dogs didn't seem at all worried about being surrounded & attacked by the wolves..........shame we can't see the whole episode without editing & who was filming?............................
blacktimberw 11 months ago
@blacktimberw - eskimo dogs have been known to fight polar bears too.. The poar bear may kill a dog or two... but will eventually leave.
Amidat 9 months ago
@Amidat I don't see your point !
blacktimberw 9 months ago
@blacktimberw - I don't understand what was difficult about what I said. you made a point about eskimo dogs being used to these wolves... and I'm saying they also are used to polar bears as well. Many times eskimo dogs encounter polar bears... sometimes while their masters are sleeping... they are very brave dogs.
Amidat 9 months ago
@Amidat I didn't say anything about the dogs being USED to the wolves. I know sled dogs do encounter polar bears & the Inuit used to hunt the bears with thier dogs which kept the animal at bay until the hunters arrived.
Nowadays the majority of dogs spend their lives chained to the front of houses due to the change in lifestyle & the use of ski- doos ( snowmobiles) by the Inuits.
blacktimberw 9 months ago
@blacktimberw - well I guess I'm confused... saying the dogs "didn't seem at all worried" seem to infer that they are used to them... Also i wasn't talking about when they hunted bears... i'm talking on there days to day lives where they would encounter them (like in this video).... in any event - yeah I know the change in lifestyle. which sadly is no way for those dogs to live now. Thankfully some ppl keep up tradition.
Amidat 9 months ago
@Amidat As well as being against religion I'm also against many traditions. The Inuit, though have a very high regard & respect for wild animals, the same cannot be said for their attitude to dogs.
They were considered as beasts of burden & that was all. They were trained & controlled by the whip & club, under-nourished & regulaly killed if they proved too difficult to handle.& If they chewed their harnesses they would have their carnasial teeth knocked out.
Education is superior to tradition.
blacktimberw 9 months ago
@blacktimberw - it's nice to say education is greater than tradition - but try to survive as they did (or have to). I can't say if abuse is a part of their culture - but I do know that the environment they live in is very harsh and they don't have the luxury of keeping animals that can't carry their weight. It would consume scarce resources. As far as discipline - again - the environment is harsh so it's not like the dogs are docile..in a canine pack discipline is paramount.
Amidat 9 months ago
@Amidat Agreed, but harshness of life cannot excuse brutality. either to animals or other human beings.
blacktimberw 9 months ago
@blacktimberw - not an excuse... but it is a reality... and it's always easy to criticize something without having to live through it. For instance - if they let the dogs go that are "too difficult" they will end up starving or getting eaten by wolves or polar bears. It's a tough choice to make...
Amidat 9 months ago
@Amidat A little bit of canine psycology goes a long way.. You obviously have a great indulgence towards bad behviour, always finding excuses. I bet you could find a good reason behind war, genocides, mass exterminations of animals, ethnic cleansing etc. ....according to you, a harsh life pardons everything.
I wonder if you would be so forgiving if anything happened to you personally. Would you dare critcise your aggressors or would you say it was O.K. because they had deprived childhoods.?
blacktimberw 9 months ago
@blacktimberw - actually I grew up in a very tough urban environment. the top intellectuals like to pontificate about - but couldn't last a month if they had to endure it. So in your brilliant canine psychology - what would you do under these circumstances with a stubborn dog?? Sorry - but they don't have the time or resources to call the "dog whisperer". Personally - I probably would let it go because I only kill pests - but I know it would die not too soon after.
Amidat 9 months ago
@Amidat The inuit had a great understanding & knowledge of wild animals, but these animals had spirits & so the inuit had to respect & honor them or else they would not let themselves be hunted. Dogs on the other hand did/do not have spirits & so man is not answerable to the animal master & so treated them as machines. It doesn't take much effort to try & understand a dog, they just didn't have the will.
I am a canine behaviourist & dog trainer, though not in the same league as Mr. Millan.
blacktimberw 9 months ago
@blacktimberw - you didn't answer my question... I said what would YOU DO if you lived in that environment? Also - if you are a professional canine expert then how could you possibly not know that there are many herding type dogs that also protected livestock from predators? Breeds in England - Holland - German - Australia etc..
Amidat 9 months ago
@Amidat I'll answer!! I'd have brought a gun (with blanks. I don't like killing things), or a shovel and personally gone after the wolves. It may not be the smartest thing to do, but I threw a brick at a pitt to get him off my dog. Mess with my dogs, and you'll get it. You'll live through it, but you wont soon forget me.
As for the many herding types, there are. Collies, Rottweilers, Pyranese, Bernese mountain dogs (I think), Australian shepard/cattledog/healer(???), corgis, german sheperd,
plusCHEESE 9 months ago
@plusCHEESE - yeah - you are actually much more sensible than this other guy with his pontifications... who would probably wet his pants if he ever had any experiences like this. Yeah - I didn't even want to mention dogs like Rottweilers that were herding dogs and certainly would fight a predator - win or lose.
Amidat 9 months ago
@Amidat If I was in that enviroment I would train & educate the dogs & resolve any behaviour problems the dogs may have.
I would like to know what breeds you are talking about, that protected herds from predateurs. There are no breeds of shepherd dog that I can think of that were capable of defending livestock from predators ( wolves, bears, lynx etc.) There are no breeds in the countries you mentioned since there are no longer any predators, unless you're thinking of the 2 legged kind.
blacktimberw 9 months ago
@blacktimberw - you really must live in fantasy world if you think living in that type of harsh environment with scarce resources and "train & educate the dogs & resolve any behavior problems". That's the problem with people with book smarts and no experience. They think they know how to handle things they have never experienced.
Amidat 9 months ago
@blacktimberw - oh you mean there aren't much predators because they were shot, trapped, and poisoned by the people in so called "civilized" nations right???? And I guess you don't know the saying that it's not the size of the dog in the fight..?? Just because they can't physically compete DOES NOT mean that the animal wouldn't try to defend the livestock. Again - you just read books and have haven't seen what happens in the real world.
Amidat 9 months ago
@Amidat To get back to the original point, you stated that German Shepherds were bred to protect livestock from predators & I'm telling you they were most definatly not. True ,wolves were killed to extinction in many European countries, as they were in most states in the USA, don't blame me for it, I love wolves & would never do anything to harm them.
The odd GSD who may throw himself at a predator, should he ever see one, does not make it a breed charateristic.
blacktimberw 9 months ago
@Amidat A good herding dog is more valuable to shepherd or rancher than his stock. It took many months, sometimes years to train & perfect, so a stockman does not want to see his dog(s) killed.
Shepherd dogs do not attack other dogs on sight as a rule, just as they wouldn't attack a wolf, mountain dogs on the other hand would attack both, it is in their genes, they recieve no training & are expected to protect the flocks without the presence of their masters.
I can't make it any clearer..
blacktimberw 9 months ago
@Amidat Still waiting to hear about the herding breeds, you say that were bred to protect the flocks !
blacktimberw 9 months ago
@blacktimberw - you are being facetious - (instead of saying you don't know what you would do) but I will play your little game for right now... Australian Cattle Dogs - English Sheperds - Austrialian Sheperds - Belgian Sheperds -Dutch Sheperds - Old German Sheperds etc. etc. etc.
Amidat 9 months ago
@Amidat I told you what I would do, I never give up on a dog.
I'm sorry to break your illusions but the breeds you cited, were created & bred to herd, not to protect the livestock from predators, The german & belgian shepherds do possess guarding instincts, but more for their masters & homes. shepherd dogs do not stay with the flocks, they work with their masters & at night when most predators attack, the dogs would be either with their masters or tied up somewhere.
to be continued......
blacktimberw 9 months ago
@Amidat None of the breeds you mentioned could stand up to a wolf let lone a bear. In Australia the dingo was the only threat to sheep,from which the cattle dog is descended, was no match for a dingo who attacked the vast herds far from human habitation & dogs. English sheepdogs (rough & smooth ...border..&..bearded colleys, bobtails etc. never saw predators & would be incapable of defending livesock against them.....likewise the belgian & german shepherds,( created about a century ago)
blacktimberw 9 months ago
@blacktimberw - it doesn't matter if they can stand up to predators. The point is that they would try. That was a simple reality. Just as these dogs face wolves and polar bears and would get shred to pieces. Karelian bear dogs and Norwegian elk hounds would get torn apart in a fight with a bear... but they still take them on. I see you just refuse to admit when you are incorrect... but it's ok... just as you wont state what you would have done if you had to keep dogs in this environment.
Amidat 9 months ago
@Amidat I'm begining to doubt your sanity. I've told you what I would do with the sled dogs in those conditions.
Shepherd dogs would not attack a predator & were never expected to. They develped in the absence of large predators & their sole aim was to guide & herd livestock for & with man. They never work alone without their masters.
For a dog to attack a predator it not only has to have certain hunting instincts but also a hereditery hatred of predators & a strong will to dominate.
blacktimberw 9 months ago
@blacktimberw - attacking and defending are two different things. For someone who claims to have so much education - why can't you understand that? Mountain livestock dogs were bred by different people in different regions of the world... simple as that. Your so-called facts are greatly distorted. As far as the idealistic "I never give up on a dog"... yeah - that's because you never had to hunt for your food in sub-zero temperatures!!
Amidat 9 months ago
@Amidat Mountain dogs were created & bred in areas where there were large predators, to protect the livestock. Many of these areas have both the large mountain breeds for protection & smaller shepherd dogs for the herding. France, Italy, Spain Portugal, Croatia for example where there are still populations of wolves (bears for the pyrenees) have both national mountain dogs & regional shepherd dogs.( not always recognised by kennel clubs)
blacktimberw 9 months ago
@blacktimberw - I wonder if you have ever even been on a farm... I've known of "mutts" who would defend any animal on the farm against any threat.. human or predatory animal. You just don't get it. I bet you don't know human sheperds also would take on predatory animals... in Africa and Asia they still do. Is that in your books you are reading?
Amidat 9 months ago
@Amidat You're leaving the subject a little there! There are conflicts between Humans & predators in both Africa & India, due largely to the explosion of the human poulation, so the need for more cultivating land & the encroachment into the animals living space.
Farm dogs may try to defend the farm, but fido has no chance against a120lb wolf or a bear, but then again he wasn't bred to.
It's not because a dog barks at a possum, you can assume he'll attack a wolf.
blacktimberw 9 months ago
@Amidat Shepherd dogs do not possess these traits which is why the mountains breeds( descended from mastiffs) were created. They have the size, aggression & instincts to protect the herds & flocks & remain all their lives in amoungst them.
elkhounds & karlian bear dogs are rarely killed since they are used to track then keep the prey at bay until their masters arrive. They do not attempt to kill the animal.
If you wish to continue to believe in fantasies you can, I prefer facts.
blacktimberw 9 months ago
@blacktimberw - you said elkhounds and karelians "track and keep the pray at bay". DUH - any sheperd dog worth it's weight would do the same thing. Elkhounds and Karelians would mix it up with a bear that stands it's ground... they didn't have to kill the bear... just like sheperd dogs weren't expected to kill the predator but to certainly DEFEND!!! YOu are dense!!!
Amidat 9 months ago
@Amidat There's none so deaf as those that don't want to hear. I have studied & worked with many breeds of dogs for the past 31 years. I know how dogs will react & why in any given circumstance. I know the history behind nearly all the 450 breeds recognised by International canine clubs & federations. I have hunted with dogs, I have worked with shepherd & drover dogs both with livestock & as guard dogs.I have trained siberian huskies & malamutes. I know what dogs are capable of..
blacktimberw 9 months ago
@blacktimberw - it's a waste of time arguing with you. someone else even had to come and prove to you - but you still don't accept it. I guess you only have worked with some type of laboratory robot dogs... I'll just leave you with this... where my mother lives persons are able to tell when a coyote - black bear - or even deer are in the area at night... how? the dogs go crazy... which keeps them off of the property.. and none of them are mountain livestock dogs.... I'm done here.
Amidat 9 months ago
@Amidat It's not because a dog barks or goes " crazy" at the presence of other animals around it's home that it can be considered a good livestock protector nor that it was bred specifically for that purpose.
Your remarks about working with robot dogs is just about what I would expect from you. Me too, I'm fed with discussing this subject, it's like talking to a brick wall !
I know what I know, you believe what you wish to. I only tried to inform you, ......
Have a nice day.
blacktimberw 8 months ago
@blacktimberw - well it doesn't matter what your book says... I'm telling you exactly how I know and have seen them used. sorry if that doesn't fit into your dissertation for school. I know what the books say because I can read too... but I'm telling you first and second hand experiences. Another person came on here and tells you the same and you still hold on. Oh well... no sweat for me. Adios.
Amidat 8 months ago
@Amidat I can tell English isn't your first language. Youtube isn't exactly the best place to find intellegent & well thought out arguments & you're a prime example.
Childish insults & sarcasm just diminue your credibility, had you made your point more clearly & stuck to the original statement you made concerning GSD's, this "debate" would have ended a long time ago.
I wish you well & hope you never have to depend on one of your mongrels to defend you against a predator. ................Adieu.
blacktimberw 8 months ago
@blacktimberw - you are wrong on so many levels it's astonishing. But that is what it's like for ppl who are "too smart for their own good". The last statements you made are so way off base I don't even know how you got any of the degrees you say you have. You must not have done well in critical thinking. And for the record... you are the ones with most of the insults... And don't "wish you well"... you don't mean it. Leave it as is.
Amidat 8 months ago
@Amidat OK so you're the expert, that's fine with me.......& if you can find where I said I had degrees I'll buy you a lollypop..
blacktimberw 8 months ago
@blacktimberw - nope I'm not an expert.. just a man. you didn't say you had degrees... only that you know "just about everything about dogs". I thought to make that kind of statement persons have letters behind their name? In any event...I don't eat candy. Only a little girl or a parent who doesn't know how to reason with a child offers candy to placate someone... this from the person who claims that if they had to live like an eskimo they could "never give up on a dog".
Amidat 8 months ago
@Amidat The candy wasn't to" placate" you but t'was a reward for your homework. Pretend all you like, I know you're disappointed not to get your lollipop..
blacktimberw 8 months ago
@blacktimberw - i don't play the lollypop jokes... don't try to be an internet tough guy... I will leave it there before I say something to get myself banned from YouTube.
Amidat 8 months ago
@Amidat Shepherd dogs have very little hunting instincts & elkhounds & Karelian bear dogs cannot be trusted with stock. Not every shepherd dog could be relied upon to protect his master, let alone attack a predator. A dog's reaction depends on many factors, hereditary, education, experiences, etc.
Just out of interest, have you ever seen a shepherd dog launch it's self onto a predator ?
In countries where flocks are at risk from predation, mountain breeds are used & not shepherd dogs.
blacktimberw 9 months ago
@Amidat I criticize a lot of things I haven't lived through,......War, animal cruelty ,rape, infringement of Human rights, lack of access to education & free health cover to name but a few......
blacktimberw 9 months ago
ou est la suite ?
Frenchkisssss 11 months ago
be realistic a .22 rife would stop this stuff
jdwildish 1 year ago
@jdwildish - maybe they don't believe in shooting just for the sake of shooting... it's obvious the wolves weren't trying to attack the people... they wanted the cargo. If they don't have to kill them - then why do it? If they attack a person then that is different... but obviously the people are used to it... likewise the dogs.
Amidat 9 months ago
wolfys
yzfbalis 1 year ago
belle video
bdjouify 1 year ago
@bdjouify merci , j'étais étonné qu'elle soit pas sur youtube ! Bonne soirée .
ViscontiGino 1 year ago
@ViscontiGino - can you translate or put up subtitles? It's a nice video but I only understand a few words.
Amidat 9 months ago
amazing
nordred 1 year ago