Protestants, watch out for the Jesuits and catholics who have infiltrated your church. He/ She could even be your pastor, your cell group leader or even your best church friend. They are the tares planted among the wheat (the true believers) which Jesus mentioned in Matthew 13:24-25. Verse 30 tells us these evil deceivers will be plucked, bound into bundles and burned on the day of harvest.
@opsvideo2008 Join the Christian Falangist Party and save America. Stop all this fighting between each other. The Commies, Atheists, fascists and other scum are out to destroy us! CFP LEADS THE WAY!
@HurricaneHeidi - You said: "You deny the commonly accepted historical fact that Emperor Constantine called leading Christian clergy together at the Council of Nicea for the purpose of selecting from among the available Hebrew scriptures to create the first Judeo-Christian Bible?"
That's its proven wrong below. It wasn't the first, and it wasn't "selected". The full (Judeo-Christian) canon was known long before, as I showed you.
Also, I never claim Roman Catholics aren't true Christians.
More proof that people who become involved in religious beliefs of whatever persuasion are out of their minds and utterly deluded.
Read: "God is Not Great" by Christopher Hitchens and learn what unparalleled destruction ALL organized religion has wrought throughout history, and all over the world.
Is this the man who started a "liberation theology" movement in South America (Brazil?), independent of the Catholic church, which was shut down by the government? If it is the same man, then he left the RCC and began to speak out and was killed? Yes?
Author--Christ is her King--and the Bible is her law. The Church has a system of truths to believe and a code of laws to administer and no power under heaven has the right to interfere. The time has come for friendly co-operation among all earnest Christians to expose both Jesuilt infiltration into His Church and usurpation of Governments. We should be guided by duty, faithfulness,
conscience and the results are in the hands of God!
Yes, really. God is the Creator and Sustainer of all things. Satan was a murderer from the beginning and the father of lies. God "allows" evil (sin) to exist for a space of time before he raises up men of God to put an end to it. Since Adam, we have all been born condemned. We are wicked sinners. Sin is evil. God allows evil/sin but He doesn't approve of it and the pages of Revelation tell us that eventually God will put an end to it for ever. Even for ever and ever!
@Islandretreat - "God "allows" evil (sin) to exist for a space of time before he raises up men of God to put an end to it." ... yeah, right... I guess that's why "god" allowed Hitler to murder 6 million of "god's 'chosen' people" before the allies could liberate the concentration camps. Then all those people in Nagasaki and Hiroshima had to be blown to kingdom come to put an end to all the evil, right...but, oh... I guess that was all just "God's Plan" for population control.
Hitler was nothing but a Jesuit mouthpiece. I ignored your ill-informed comment further down the page blaming "religion" for everything because a careful examination of the facts of history tells us that the Jesuits have orchestrated almost every major conflict of the last 300 years. And prior to the Jesuits being formed the Vatican was usually to blame. Hitchens doesn't know the difference between Christianity and Romanism. He believes Romanism is Christian and so he isn't worth listening to.
That isn't the reason the Jesuits bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki. They bombed the Japanese because they regarded their emperor as 'divine'. That is unacceptable to Papal Rome. It's the same reason the Jesuits are carrying out a war of annihilation right now against Shia Muslims in Iraq. Rather than blame "religion" perhaps you should dig a bit deeper in future.
@Islandretreat - Thank you for exposing your abysmal ignorance and bigotry. Perhaps it will awaken other, more rational, people to the horrifying reality of inter-religious bigotry, prejudice, persecution and delusion.
Shia and Sunni Muslims are attacking each other in Iraq (and anywhere else they can get away with it) because of their differing interpretations of THEIR religious book - the Koran. Same as Catholics and Protestants attacking each other for centuries. INSANITY; DELUSION.
@HurricaneHeidi - Interdenominational conflict, prejudice and warfare have caused more death and human misery than any other motivation in history. Catholics and Protestants have been murdering each other for centuries. So have Hindus and Muslims and Muslims and Christians and Christians, Muslims and Jews.
Humanity needs to evolve spiritually and intellectually beyond this delusional and superstitious behavior.
The bible is full of violence and hate, despite the quotations of Jesus.
The Bible doesn't preach hatred---that is a downright lie. The New Testament is where you'll find the teachings of Christ. Jesus Christ was the only holy man the world ever saw. And of course we shouldn't overlook the role Darwinsim played in Nazi ideology---"survival if the fittest". An Atheists evil words, arguements, denials and blasphemies go on and on slaying other souls generation after generation.
@Islandretreat - are you ignoring the Old Testament? There is plenty of hatred in Leviticus... and all you have to do to find the rest of the bloodshed and violence is read the Skeptic's Annotated Bible which can easily be found online. They have a special category for violence and bloodshed.
Do you deny that Protestants have been responsible for the grossly superstitious prosecution and murder of accused "witches" by burning them alive?
Where was "god" when that abomination was going on?
Papal Rome was carrying out the diabolical Inquisition on every continent!! The Church of Rome is the great persecutor of minorities all over the world and so to say Catholics and Protestants have been killing each other for centuries is too simplistic and it isn't painting an very clear picture. The Devils Council of Trent in the 16th century declared all Protestants worthy of death. Protestants take the Bible as our doctrinal foundation---murder is a sin against God Almighty.
What are YOU doing except declaring Jesuits worthy of death?
Your insane diatribes remind me of Hitler drumming up support for the genocidal elimination of Jews. It also smacks of the same irrational hatred I see spouted on other YT channels that focus blame on Jews, or Blacks.
Bigotry is bigotry. Irrational, over-the-top and vicious.
What do you and your kind propose to DO to all these Jesuits whom you imagine are infiltrating everything?
You're so detached from reality that all I can do is pray that you are enlightened by the spirit of God. The Roman Catholic Church is the great purveyor of darkness to the human soul, THE MOTHER OF ABOMINATIONS (Rome created Islam) and you are totally wrong to say it is a Christian Church. It is Satan's counterfeit system. Christ's message was one of love and unselfish giving. The Papal Caesar is the great war mongerer and the Vatican is the greatest hoarder of wealth on earth.
The Jesuits have infiltrated every religion on earth. They control every religion including radical Islam. The war in Iraq is a Papal Crusade against Shia Muslims. That is why Papal Knight of Malta Tony Blair and Skull and bones man George W Bush launched the war for their Jesuit masters. The Skull & Bones is the trademark of the Jesuits, and the KoM were formed roughly a thousand years ago to launch Crusades for Rome exactly as puppet Blair did in Iraq.
Before you come back on spewing your anti-Christian bile and telling people how ignorant they are consider this. The Crusade in Iraq is just carrying on from where that Jesuit-controlled, Freemasonic, Sunni-Baathist, Papal Inquisitor, Saddam Hussein left off! Of course ignoramuses like you simply refer to him as a 'bad man' or a 'dictator'. I repeat, dig a bit deeper in future.
@Islandretreat - And where has your omnipresent and omnipotent "loving god" been all this time while "the Jesuits" have supposedly been committing all these acts of evil?
The argument that "god" allows evil to occur in order to bring good people to the forefront is a rationale for genocide... as well as a very weak explanation for why such a supposedly all-powerful, benevolent "creator" just sat back and allowed the most horrendous and murderous behavior to take place in "his name".
@Islandretreat - I'M detached from reality? Quite the contrary.
I do not believe in fictional deities who demand blood sacrifice. I do not believe in virgin birth. I do not believe in talking snakes, or talking donkeys, or that the sun can be stopped in the sky in order to allow a bunch of Hebrews to win a military conflict. I do not believe that human beings can be turned into pillars of salt just because they engaged in sexual practices considered damnable in some ancientHebrew scrolls.
@Islandretreat - Perhaps you should climb out of your dark pit of ignorance and bigotry. You've dug yourself in deep enough already.
Of course Hitchens considers Catholicism a branch of Christianity. It was the FIRST branch. The first Bible with New Testament came out of the Council of Nicea in Rome, under Emperor Constantine, who pandered to Christianity/Catholicism for political reasons, combining pagan holidays with Christianity to appeal to more Roman citizens.
Bible-based Christianity and Babylonian Romanism are not two different demoniations. They are two entirely different religions and again you are totally wrong to say that the Church of Rome gave us the Bible. It was the universal Church (Bishops from here in Britain were in attendance) and not exclusively the Church of Rome. It is the height of ignorance for Hitchens to say Roman Catholicism is Christian. Popery is an after-growth of Paganism spreading its popish theology under a Christian mask.
@Islandretreat - You deny the commonly accepted historical fact that Emperor Constantine called leading Christian clergy together at the Council of Nicea for the purpose of selecting from among the available Hebrew scriptures to create the first Judeo-Christian Bible?
If you do not accept this historical information, whom do you believe DID put together the first Christian Bible, and where is your proof?
The full (OT&NT) canon was available long before Nicea. Also the full agenda of Nicea is known: Selection of the Canon was not on it, and also not in the reports.
They are not "commonly accepted historical facts" but from Dan Browns "Da Vinci code". They are fiction.
Another "fictional fact" by Dan Brown was that the Deity of Christ was established during Nicea. By reading the Bible, you know this is nonsense, because the Bible itself proclaims Jesus is God in the flesh. (OT&NT)
The only thing about this that was talked about at Nicea was the way to combat false doctrine about Jesus by small groups of people.
@EvolutieOnzin - read the Bible to find out what is or is not nonsense? Now THAT is funny.
The Bible tells us that a virgin gave birth, and that her husband-to-be swallowed her ridiculous story that some angel appeared and told her that "god did it"; that a talking snake convinced some naked woman to eat an apple, and that some Israelite stopped the sun in the sky so he'd have time to win a battle by praying to his imaginary daddy in the air. XD ... and you talk about FICTION? HA!!!
@EvolutieOnzin - "The Da Vinci Code"? You cannot be serious. All anyone has to do is type "Council of Nicea" into a search engine and over 10 pages of links to detailed historical information will appear; everything from Wikipedia to the Catholic Encyclopedia to Columbia University has posted historical reference material about this event. Fictional?
@HurricaneHeidi - And if you do use that search engine, you might want to read the results also.
Wikipedia and Catholic Encyclopedia never say the canon was compiled at Nicea. But they do say the opposite:
wikipedia: "Contrary to the view popularised by Dan Brown's novel The Da Vinci Code there is no evidence to suggest that the Biblical canon was even discussed at the Council of Nicaea, let alone established or edited."
In 331 AD, Emperor Contantine ordered that an "ecumenical Bible" be written. Constantine wanted a Bible which would be acceptable to pagans as well as Christians, and Eusebius (the Bishop of Caesaria and a follower of Origen) was assigned to direct this task"
@HurricaneHeidi - That's very nice. But it doesn't change the fact that the canon was complete before the end of the 2nd century, so it wasn't "selected" at Nicea.
@EvolutieOnzin - "... it doesn't change the fact that the canon was complete before the end of the 2nd century, so it wasn't "selected" at Nicea."
WTFC? No matter WHEN or WHERE the "canon" was actually cobbled together from that rag-tag collection of self-contradictory and deluded babblings from a bunch of middle eastern nomadic Hebrew sheep and goat herders, it's still mythological hogwash.
It's pitiful that humanity has allowed such childish irrational dogma to inspire such genocidal hate.
@EvolutieOnzin - WRONG. You claimed that Roman Catholics aren't true Christians. I pointed out that a Roman Emperor, Constantine, called together the Council of Nicea to put together a Roman Catholic Bible. They did so. I never said that the canon had been selected at Nicea for the first time. I DID point out that Constantine wanted an ecumenical Bible which would appeal to pagans, and called the Nicean council together to accomplish this.
I met Alberto Rivera in 1986 in Perth West Australia he is (was ) real I told him he did not exist according to the RCC he laughed. This man went thru torture and escaped the Jesuits who are the underground CIA of the Vatican.Ther is the book ,In God's Name by Catholic author David Yallop who exposes the RCC who were imlicated with the Vatican Bankers and unusual things as well you can read the book written by 50 ex RCC priests called Far From Rome Near To God from internet by Richard Bennett
ok you tell me when he did and who killed him.. i don't want hear-say.. i want fact!!!!!!!!. he was exposed as well as jack chic, john todd(jailed for fraud now)and jack chic made tons of money trying to expose every other denomination using scare tactics..
You ask for FACTS, well where is your FACTS that JC was "exposed". And as for Johnny Todd, he has been dead ever since the day after he left prison. Their is another Johnny Todd in that SC prison but it is NOT the same guy.
btw i've met john todd..he's was demon controlled after he said he was delivered from satanism...He was a mess .. he fooled the church and obviously good people.. jack chick is a money maker..he does it for money.. does that tell you anything?lol
Also, I read the part about where Alberto's credibliity and his Jesuit I. D. card are attacked and I thought it was a lame effort and I still believe him to be credible and real. I will make his I.D. card into a t- shirt and wear it and tell everybody about Teresa Romano Rivera and what she saw!
I will tell every Catholic about Terersa Romano Rivera and how she died. I'll tell them about Her son Alberto what he saw and learned and I'll testify unashamed before men that Jesus Christ is Savior and Lord! You should too, or do you want demons entering YOUR room when your death occurs?
The Vatican people are neither unintelligent nor naive. They have always wanted to have as much influence as possible on every group of people. They have never called buring people to death a sin or a satanic act. How much less do they consider infiltrating other churches as an evil or ungodly thing. One must be totally ignorant of the Roman Catholic Church history to believe, that the Vatican is not involved in infiltrating protestant churches even now.
cd... They consider it their duty to learn in detail about everything that goes on in groups opposing the Catholic Church and to weaken them if possible. This can hardly be done without well-trained spies.
Yeah... you must believe everything in the Jack Chick tracts...
Cruelty of any kind is considered a sin. I suggest you look up "Humane Vitae". In ancient times many harsh penalties were used, but burning could be found most among the English and American protestants. In recent decades the Church has apologized for past mistakes.
its the fact of lying to gain support is what the problem. Most of the information was based of myths, lies and Christian propaganda to attack the Catholic church, and promote their ideology
I'm sorry, But "Things" or "creatures" or demons (or whatever the fuck) entering the woman's room and taking a devout Catholic believer to hell and you wanted Rivera and Chick silenced?
Are you mad?
This is an unimaginable crime against Humanity itself.
May Jesus Christ, the Prince of Peace, return soon!
Thanks for your comments! The good news is God knows the heart. He judges us based on the knowledge that's revealed to us. I believe many (sincere) Catholics will be in heaven. Because the blood of Christ paid for the sins of ignorance. Leviticus 4.
Hunted endlessly, called a liar, and he founds the A.I.C. (ANTICHRIST INFORMATION CENTER) If you witnessed your mom slip into hell and then go through all he did and you learn what Alberto did, You'd be a bit upset and decide to tell the truth no matter what the consequences too. Can you blame him? His mom was lied too and it cost the woman her soul. You be Alberto, you life his life!
The very thing that cost Teresa Romano Rivera her soul!
So Alberto learns the truth at last, is saved by Jesus Christ and does the unthinkable! He dares to leave the Jesuits! Tells the story thru Chick and oh, he just has the nicest life doesn't he?
Alberto goes all the way! works hard for the Vatican, impressive record of destroying the enemy. Problem is, the very thing Alberto is working for and sworn to defend is the very lying nightmare that his late mother believed in!
Ok, So little Alberto grows up and learns a lot of things. He reads the archives in the Vatican and to his horror he learns that his mother was lied to and that what he trusts is really false.
Alberto witnessed this and was stunned! everything she was taught and instructed to do failed her. She lost her soul! Of course Alberto became a priest to investigate and learn why? Wouldn't you want to know what the priest did to fail YOUR mother?
Alberto Rivera is not the offensive thing to be worried about here. It is mainly about his mother who was taken to hell by "creatures" or "things" despite she was a devout Catholic woman who was obedient to her Priest and it cost the woman her soul. THIS TESTIMONY IS IMPORTANT AND WE NEED TO REMEMBER HER.
Alberto's mother Teresa was a devout and loyal Catholic. She never missed Mass, trusted and obeyed her Priests. So why is it she saw demons enter her room imediately prior to her death? She was not on any medications at all. She testified that "things" were there to carry her off to Hell. And she described hell. She was seeing it.
Protestants, watch out for the Jesuits and catholics who have infiltrated your church. He/ She could even be your pastor, your cell group leader or even your best church friend. They are the tares planted among the wheat (the true believers) which Jesus mentioned in Matthew 13:24-25. Verse 30 tells us these evil deceivers will be plucked, bound into bundles and burned on the day of harvest.
opsvideo2008 11 months ago
@opsvideo2008 Join the Christian Falangist Party and save America. Stop all this fighting between each other. The Commies, Atheists, fascists and other scum are out to destroy us! CFP LEADS THE WAY!
alberti67 2 months ago
got his doctorate from a diploma mill and was not a priest or jesuit.total fraud
wjm7259 1 year ago
Some expose, all done in 21 seconds, says it all really
no1hoopsman 1 year ago
@HurricaneHeidi - You said: "You deny the commonly accepted historical fact that Emperor Constantine called leading Christian clergy together at the Council of Nicea for the purpose of selecting from among the available Hebrew scriptures to create the first Judeo-Christian Bible?"
That's its proven wrong below. It wasn't the first, and it wasn't "selected". The full (Judeo-Christian) canon was known long before, as I showed you.
Also, I never claim Roman Catholics aren't true Christians.
dcvdmark 2 years ago
Sorry, I switched IDs. I was using another PC.
EvolutieOnzin 2 years ago
More proof that people who become involved in religious beliefs of whatever persuasion are out of their minds and utterly deluded.
Read: "God is Not Great" by Christopher Hitchens and learn what unparalleled destruction ALL organized religion has wrought throughout history, and all over the world.
HurricaneHeidi 2 years ago
Christopher Hitchens? No thanks.
Islandretreat 2 years ago
@Islandretreat - Naw... you wouldn't want a rational man like Hitchens to spoil your faith with any factual information... 8-P
HurricaneHeidi 2 years ago
Is this the man who started a "liberation theology" movement in South America (Brazil?), independent of the Catholic church, which was shut down by the government? If it is the same man, then he left the RCC and began to speak out and was killed? Yes?
xander7ful 2 years ago
The Reformed Church should be FREE. God is her
Author--Christ is her King--and the Bible is her law. The Church has a system of truths to believe and a code of laws to administer and no power under heaven has the right to interfere. The time has come for friendly co-operation among all earnest Christians to expose both Jesuilt infiltration into His Church and usurpation of Governments. We should be guided by duty, faithfulness,
conscience and the results are in the hands of God!
Islandretreat 2 years ago
@Islandretreat - Oh... "The results are in the hands of God"... REALLY?
Then why did "God" allow Jesuits to exist? And why did "God" allow religious wars and witch burnings and the Inquisition?
This is yet another example of religiously motivated insanity.
HurricaneHeidi 2 years ago
Yes, really. God is the Creator and Sustainer of all things. Satan was a murderer from the beginning and the father of lies. God "allows" evil (sin) to exist for a space of time before he raises up men of God to put an end to it. Since Adam, we have all been born condemned. We are wicked sinners. Sin is evil. God allows evil/sin but He doesn't approve of it and the pages of Revelation tell us that eventually God will put an end to it for ever. Even for ever and ever!
Islandretreat 2 years ago
@Islandretreat - "God "allows" evil (sin) to exist for a space of time before he raises up men of God to put an end to it." ... yeah, right... I guess that's why "god" allowed Hitler to murder 6 million of "god's 'chosen' people" before the allies could liberate the concentration camps. Then all those people in Nagasaki and Hiroshima had to be blown to kingdom come to put an end to all the evil, right...but, oh... I guess that was all just "God's Plan" for population control.
HurricaneHeidi 2 years ago
Hitler was nothing but a Jesuit mouthpiece. I ignored your ill-informed comment further down the page blaming "religion" for everything because a careful examination of the facts of history tells us that the Jesuits have orchestrated almost every major conflict of the last 300 years. And prior to the Jesuits being formed the Vatican was usually to blame. Hitchens doesn't know the difference between Christianity and Romanism. He believes Romanism is Christian and so he isn't worth listening to.
Islandretreat 2 years ago
That isn't the reason the Jesuits bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki. They bombed the Japanese because they regarded their emperor as 'divine'. That is unacceptable to Papal Rome. It's the same reason the Jesuits are carrying out a war of annihilation right now against Shia Muslims in Iraq. Rather than blame "religion" perhaps you should dig a bit deeper in future.
Islandretreat 2 years ago
@Islandretreat - Thank you for exposing your abysmal ignorance and bigotry. Perhaps it will awaken other, more rational, people to the horrifying reality of inter-religious bigotry, prejudice, persecution and delusion.
Shia and Sunni Muslims are attacking each other in Iraq (and anywhere else they can get away with it) because of their differing interpretations of THEIR religious book - the Koran. Same as Catholics and Protestants attacking each other for centuries. INSANITY; DELUSION.
HurricaneHeidi 2 years ago
@HurricaneHeidi - Interdenominational conflict, prejudice and warfare have caused more death and human misery than any other motivation in history. Catholics and Protestants have been murdering each other for centuries. So have Hindus and Muslims and Muslims and Christians and Christians, Muslims and Jews.
Humanity needs to evolve spiritually and intellectually beyond this delusional and superstitious behavior.
The bible is full of violence and hate, despite the quotations of Jesus.
HurricaneHeidi 2 years ago
The Bible doesn't preach hatred---that is a downright lie. The New Testament is where you'll find the teachings of Christ. Jesus Christ was the only holy man the world ever saw. And of course we shouldn't overlook the role Darwinsim played in Nazi ideology---"survival if the fittest". An Atheists evil words, arguements, denials and blasphemies go on and on slaying other souls generation after generation.
Islandretreat 2 years ago
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Islandretreat 2 years ago
@Islandretreat - are you ignoring the Old Testament? There is plenty of hatred in Leviticus... and all you have to do to find the rest of the bloodshed and violence is read the Skeptic's Annotated Bible which can easily be found online. They have a special category for violence and bloodshed.
Do you deny that Protestants have been responsible for the grossly superstitious prosecution and murder of accused "witches" by burning them alive?
Where was "god" when that abomination was going on?
HurricaneHeidi 2 years ago
Papal Rome was carrying out the diabolical Inquisition on every continent!! The Church of Rome is the great persecutor of minorities all over the world and so to say Catholics and Protestants have been killing each other for centuries is too simplistic and it isn't painting an very clear picture. The Devils Council of Trent in the 16th century declared all Protestants worthy of death. Protestants take the Bible as our doctrinal foundation---murder is a sin against God Almighty.
Islandretreat 2 years ago
@Islandretreat -
What are YOU doing except declaring Jesuits worthy of death?
Your insane diatribes remind me of Hitler drumming up support for the genocidal elimination of Jews. It also smacks of the same irrational hatred I see spouted on other YT channels that focus blame on Jews, or Blacks.
Bigotry is bigotry. Irrational, over-the-top and vicious.
What do you and your kind propose to DO to all these Jesuits whom you imagine are infiltrating everything?
HurricaneHeidi 2 years ago
You're so detached from reality that all I can do is pray that you are enlightened by the spirit of God. The Roman Catholic Church is the great purveyor of darkness to the human soul, THE MOTHER OF ABOMINATIONS (Rome created Islam) and you are totally wrong to say it is a Christian Church. It is Satan's counterfeit system. Christ's message was one of love and unselfish giving. The Papal Caesar is the great war mongerer and the Vatican is the greatest hoarder of wealth on earth.
Islandretreat 2 years ago
The Jesuits have infiltrated every religion on earth. They control every religion including radical Islam. The war in Iraq is a Papal Crusade against Shia Muslims. That is why Papal Knight of Malta Tony Blair and Skull and bones man George W Bush launched the war for their Jesuit masters. The Skull & Bones is the trademark of the Jesuits, and the KoM were formed roughly a thousand years ago to launch Crusades for Rome exactly as puppet Blair did in Iraq.
Islandretreat 2 years ago
Before you come back on spewing your anti-Christian bile and telling people how ignorant they are consider this. The Crusade in Iraq is just carrying on from where that Jesuit-controlled, Freemasonic, Sunni-Baathist, Papal Inquisitor, Saddam Hussein left off! Of course ignoramuses like you simply refer to him as a 'bad man' or a 'dictator'. I repeat, dig a bit deeper in future.
Islandretreat 2 years ago
@Islandretreat - And where has your omnipresent and omnipotent "loving god" been all this time while "the Jesuits" have supposedly been committing all these acts of evil?
The argument that "god" allows evil to occur in order to bring good people to the forefront is a rationale for genocide... as well as a very weak explanation for why such a supposedly all-powerful, benevolent "creator" just sat back and allowed the most horrendous and murderous behavior to take place in "his name".
HurricaneHeidi 2 years ago
@Islandretreat - I'M detached from reality? Quite the contrary.
I do not believe in fictional deities who demand blood sacrifice. I do not believe in virgin birth. I do not believe in talking snakes, or talking donkeys, or that the sun can be stopped in the sky in order to allow a bunch of Hebrews to win a military conflict. I do not believe that human beings can be turned into pillars of salt just because they engaged in sexual practices considered damnable in some ancientHebrew scrolls.
HurricaneHeidi 2 years ago
@Islandretreat - Perhaps you should climb out of your dark pit of ignorance and bigotry. You've dug yourself in deep enough already.
Of course Hitchens considers Catholicism a branch of Christianity. It was the FIRST branch. The first Bible with New Testament came out of the Council of Nicea in Rome, under Emperor Constantine, who pandered to Christianity/Catholicism for political reasons, combining pagan holidays with Christianity to appeal to more Roman citizens.
HurricaneHeidi 2 years ago
Bible-based Christianity and Babylonian Romanism are not two different demoniations. They are two entirely different religions and again you are totally wrong to say that the Church of Rome gave us the Bible. It was the universal Church (Bishops from here in Britain were in attendance) and not exclusively the Church of Rome. It is the height of ignorance for Hitchens to say Roman Catholicism is Christian. Popery is an after-growth of Paganism spreading its popish theology under a Christian mask.
Islandretreat 2 years ago
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Islandretreat 2 years ago
@Islandretreat - You deny the commonly accepted historical fact that Emperor Constantine called leading Christian clergy together at the Council of Nicea for the purpose of selecting from among the available Hebrew scriptures to create the first Judeo-Christian Bible?
If you do not accept this historical information, whom do you believe DID put together the first Christian Bible, and where is your proof?
HurricaneHeidi 2 years ago
@HurricaneHeidi - Unfortunately you have your facts wrong!
The full (OT&NT) canon was available long before Nicea. Also the full agenda of Nicea is known: Selection of the Canon was not on it, and also not in the reports.
They are not "commonly accepted historical facts" but from Dan Browns "Da Vinci code". They are fiction.
EvolutieOnzin 2 years ago
Another "fictional fact" by Dan Brown was that the Deity of Christ was established during Nicea. By reading the Bible, you know this is nonsense, because the Bible itself proclaims Jesus is God in the flesh. (OT&NT)
The only thing about this that was talked about at Nicea was the way to combat false doctrine about Jesus by small groups of people.
EvolutieOnzin 2 years ago
@EvolutieOnzin - read the Bible to find out what is or is not nonsense? Now THAT is funny.
The Bible tells us that a virgin gave birth, and that her husband-to-be swallowed her ridiculous story that some angel appeared and told her that "god did it"; that a talking snake convinced some naked woman to eat an apple, and that some Israelite stopped the sun in the sky so he'd have time to win a battle by praying to his imaginary daddy in the air. XD ... and you talk about FICTION? HA!!!
HurricaneHeidi 2 years ago
@HurricaneHeidi - You're totally missing the point.
By reading the Bible, it is clear that the writers thought Jesus is God. So Dan Brown's story that this was decided at Nicea is wrong.
Also letters of Ignatius (110ad), Polycarp (112ad), Irenaeus (185ad), etc. show the church believed this before Nicea.
EvolutieOnzin 2 years ago
@EvolutieOnzin - "The Da Vinci Code"? You cannot be serious. All anyone has to do is type "Council of Nicea" into a search engine and over 10 pages of links to detailed historical information will appear; everything from Wikipedia to the Catholic Encyclopedia to Columbia University has posted historical reference material about this event. Fictional?
ROTFLMAO XD XD
HurricaneHeidi 2 years ago
The church fathers cite of all the books of the NT in their letters before Nicea.
Also the (damaged) Muratorian fragment (175AD) confirms 23 of the 27 books, and recognizes other books as forgeries.
That's proof the canon was completed before Nicea.
At Nicea Constantine ordered Eusebius to make 50 Bible copies. But the Canon was already complete.
So: Yes, you have your facts wrong.
EvolutieOnzin 2 years ago
@HurricaneHeidi - And if you do use that search engine, you might want to read the results also.
Wikipedia and Catholic Encyclopedia never say the canon was compiled at Nicea. But they do say the opposite:
wikipedia: "Contrary to the view popularised by Dan Brown's novel The Da Vinci Code there is no evidence to suggest that the Biblical canon was even discussed at the Council of Nicaea, let alone established or edited."
So: YES, Fictional!
EvolutieOnzin 2 years ago
@EvolutieOnzin
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In 331 AD, Emperor Contantine ordered that an "ecumenical Bible" be written. Constantine wanted a Bible which would be acceptable to pagans as well as Christians, and Eusebius (the Bishop of Caesaria and a follower of Origen) was assigned to direct this task"
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HurricaneHeidi 2 years ago
@HurricaneHeidi - That's very nice. But it doesn't change the fact that the canon was complete before the end of the 2nd century, so it wasn't "selected" at Nicea.
EvolutieOnzin 2 years ago
@EvolutieOnzin - "... it doesn't change the fact that the canon was complete before the end of the 2nd century, so it wasn't "selected" at Nicea."
WTFC? No matter WHEN or WHERE the "canon" was actually cobbled together from that rag-tag collection of self-contradictory and deluded babblings from a bunch of middle eastern nomadic Hebrew sheep and goat herders, it's still mythological hogwash.
It's pitiful that humanity has allowed such childish irrational dogma to inspire such genocidal hate.
HurricaneHeidi 2 years ago
Apparently your having trouble admitting you were wrong.
You were the one who claimed that the canon was "selected" at Nicea. I proofed you wrong.
You sad wikipedia and Catholic Encyclopedia say this. I proofed you wrong.
And than you say: "No matter WHEN or WHERE" and start attacking the Bible.
I know you don't like the Bible and it's message, but that wasn't the point of debate.
You called it a "commonly accepted historical fact" that the canon was selected at Nicea. And it's not.
EvolutieOnzin 2 years ago
@EvolutieOnzin - WRONG. You claimed that Roman Catholics aren't true Christians. I pointed out that a Roman Emperor, Constantine, called together the Council of Nicea to put together a Roman Catholic Bible. They did so. I never said that the canon had been selected at Nicea for the first time. I DID point out that Constantine wanted an ecumenical Bible which would appeal to pagans, and called the Nicean council together to accomplish this.
You are quibbling about nothing.
HurricaneHeidi 2 years ago
I met Alberto Rivera in 1986 in Perth West Australia he is (was ) real I told him he did not exist according to the RCC he laughed. This man went thru torture and escaped the Jesuits who are the underground CIA of the Vatican.Ther is the book ,In God's Name by Catholic author David Yallop who exposes the RCC who were imlicated with the Vatican Bankers and unusual things as well you can read the book written by 50 ex RCC priests called Far From Rome Near To God from internet by Richard Bennett
popeyethesailorful 2 years ago
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LOL! What a load of shit!
Elvuz 3 years ago
Ahhh... some of you are really waking up... good...
DownWithTheOwl 4 years ago 3
lol find yourself a more credible source than some credit card thief...
Darkwolfy88 4 years ago
alberto rivera was another person proven to be a fake.. Another Jack Chic creation.
cliffhanger42 4 years ago
That must be why he was KILLED - hmmm
machinator1971 3 years ago
ok you tell me when he did and who killed him.. i don't want hear-say.. i want fact!!!!!!!!. he was exposed as well as jack chic, john todd(jailed for fraud now)and jack chic made tons of money trying to expose every other denomination using scare tactics..
cliffhanger42 3 years ago
You ask for FACTS, well where is your FACTS that JC was "exposed". And as for Johnny Todd, he has been dead ever since the day after he left prison. Their is another Johnny Todd in that SC prison but it is NOT the same guy.
machinator1971 3 years ago
go to cornerstone mag online you'll find plenty of facts there.. just search the archives..
cliffhanger42 3 years ago
btw i've met john todd..he's was demon controlled after he said he was delivered from satanism...He was a mess .. he fooled the church and obviously good people.. jack chick is a money maker..he does it for money.. does that tell you anything?lol
cliffhanger42 3 years ago
What a wonderful man. May God avenge his blood!
phantastickyle 4 years ago 7
Right there, as the priest stood there and "creatures" arrive and carry the woman off to hell and Alberto is not supposed to question this?
Gee, makes me want to be a Catholic too!
Not!
It's not about Alberto after all!
It's about Teresa Romano Rivera and her fate in eternity.
It's about ALL OF US not meeting demons upon death but rather Jesus Christ HIMSELF AS SAVIOR!
clarencecmcgee 4 years ago
Also, I read the part about where Alberto's credibliity and his Jesuit I. D. card are attacked and I thought it was a lame effort and I still believe him to be credible and real. I will make his I.D. card into a t- shirt and wear it and tell everybody about Teresa Romano Rivera and what she saw!
clarencecmcgee 4 years ago
I will tell every Catholic about Terersa Romano Rivera and how she died. I'll tell them about Her son Alberto what he saw and learned and I'll testify unashamed before men that Jesus Christ is Savior and Lord! You should too, or do you want demons entering YOUR room when your death occurs?
clarencecmcgee 4 years ago 3
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This is FAKE. Tell any Catholic this and they will just pray for a restoration of your sanity.
PraiseDivineMercy 3 years ago
The Vatican people are neither unintelligent nor naive. They have always wanted to have as much influence as possible on every group of people. They have never called buring people to death a sin or a satanic act. How much less do they consider infiltrating other churches as an evil or ungodly thing. One must be totally ignorant of the Roman Catholic Church history to believe, that the Vatican is not involved in infiltrating protestant churches even now.
JohnPolak 3 years ago 9
cd... They consider it their duty to learn in detail about everything that goes on in groups opposing the Catholic Church and to weaken them if possible. This can hardly be done without well-trained spies.
(John 9,41)
JohnPolak 3 years ago
I'm 24 and a lifelong Catholic.
Yeah... you must believe everything in the Jack Chick tracts...
Cruelty of any kind is considered a sin. I suggest you look up "Humane Vitae". In ancient times many harsh penalties were used, but burning could be found most among the English and American protestants. In recent decades the Church has apologized for past mistakes.
PraiseDivineMercy 3 years ago
@JohnPolak
its the fact of lying to gain support is what the problem. Most of the information was based of myths, lies and Christian propaganda to attack the Catholic church, and promote their ideology
hell, they attack my faith of Lutheranism
TheChoujinVirus 5 months ago
I'm sorry, But "Things" or "creatures" or demons (or whatever the fuck) entering the woman's room and taking a devout Catholic believer to hell and you wanted Rivera and Chick silenced?
Are you mad?
This is an unimaginable crime against Humanity itself.
May Jesus Christ, the Prince of Peace, return soon!
clarencecmcgee 4 years ago
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clarencecmcgee 4 years ago 5
Thanks for your comments! The good news is God knows the heart. He judges us based on the knowledge that's revealed to us. I believe many (sincere) Catholics will be in heaven. Because the blood of Christ paid for the sins of ignorance. Leviticus 4.
daweil 4 years ago
@clarencecmcgee Join the Christian Falangist Party. Save the World.
alberti67 2 months ago
Hunted endlessly, called a liar, and he founds the A.I.C. (ANTICHRIST INFORMATION CENTER) If you witnessed your mom slip into hell and then go through all he did and you learn what Alberto did, You'd be a bit upset and decide to tell the truth no matter what the consequences too. Can you blame him? His mom was lied too and it cost the woman her soul. You be Alberto, you life his life!
clarencecmcgee 4 years ago
The very thing that cost Teresa Romano Rivera her soul!
So Alberto learns the truth at last, is saved by Jesus Christ and does the unthinkable! He dares to leave the Jesuits! Tells the story thru Chick and oh, he just has the nicest life doesn't he?
clarencecmcgee 4 years ago
Alberto goes all the way! works hard for the Vatican, impressive record of destroying the enemy. Problem is, the very thing Alberto is working for and sworn to defend is the very lying nightmare that his late mother believed in!
clarencecmcgee 4 years ago
Ok, So little Alberto grows up and learns a lot of things. He reads the archives in the Vatican and to his horror he learns that his mother was lied to and that what he trusts is really false.
clarencecmcgee 4 years ago
Alberto witnessed this and was stunned! everything she was taught and instructed to do failed her. She lost her soul! Of course Alberto became a priest to investigate and learn why? Wouldn't you want to know what the priest did to fail YOUR mother?
clarencecmcgee 4 years ago
Alberto Rivera is not the offensive thing to be worried about here. It is mainly about his mother who was taken to hell by "creatures" or "things" despite she was a devout Catholic woman who was obedient to her Priest and it cost the woman her soul. THIS TESTIMONY IS IMPORTANT AND WE NEED TO REMEMBER HER.
clarencecmcgee 4 years ago 2
Alberto's mother Teresa was a devout and loyal Catholic. She never missed Mass, trusted and obeyed her Priests. So why is it she saw demons enter her room imediately prior to her death? She was not on any medications at all. She testified that "things" were there to carry her off to Hell. And she described hell. She was seeing it.
clarencecmcgee 4 years ago 2