don't claim these to be ancient greeks, these are also dressed like persian soldiers, all in black and all, Ancient Hellas/Illyrians/Etruscans aka Pelasgians warriors wore white as the dominant color whether they were pants or fustanella!
Look at jean leon gerome's "pyrrhic dance" and "La Danse Pyrrhique". The fustanella warriors aka Albanians still carry this tradition.
Pyrrhus aka "the eagle" called Illyrians "eagles people" aka Shqiptar(in Albanian means eagles people)!
Can you explain how they are not the same, because those painting and others like Alexander Decamps "Albanian Dancers" are supporting my argument easy? And why are you bringing slavs in the discussion?
where are the swords man? maybe lost in the course of 2000 years? This is not Pyrrhic dance. Whatch the real Pyrrhic dance and watch how they keep the stance of the eagle (of Zeus, or Zani like he was first called from Pythagoras)
AS$HOOOLEEEE ..you dint say anything about the drugs in occupied Cyprus.
About turkish cypriots who dont like erdogan anymore.you didnt say anything about the greek souvlaki with tzatziki....you didnt say anything about what otsalan ate..
@61engin53 hahaahahahahaha...we are about to steal your doner..and baklava...BE CAREFUL AS$HOLE
NO KEBAB FOR YOUR AS$...we stole them? hahahahahahaahahahahaaahahaha.
Do you have anything else before Kemal..? you never answer me what I am telling you.
You just like to make no connection between old and new greeks because you had this 400 years of occupation..and this made greeks turkosporos.You say the same and same again ..AS$HOLLLLEEEEEEEE
@61engin53 You talk about dishonest people? THE TURKS ARE HONEST? ARE YOU SERIOUS?
Your scams bring imigrants for money to greece and your country is a passage of crooks and you bring them to us..And you call us backstabbers? In turkey many drug dealing is made.Armenians blame you for genocide..Georgians dont like you too..You have the nerve to play the superior and inocent race..but your country if full of shit too.If you wanna blame greeks..clean your shit first..AND SHUT THE FUC.K UP
@61engin53 You budala..you blame all greeks because politician did what they did with Otsalan?
After all Otsalan was your enemy..Not ours...You have killed Kurds too..And they fight for a country that they dont have.Maybe some are terrorist..It is the only thing they have left to do.We dont support terrorism but your goverment should try to solve the problem.If Otsalan stayed in greek embassy it is a problem of those who helped him.Not mine.
@61engin53 Otsalan was not accepted by Greeks.On 1998 Otsalan came to greece from from Syria and was not accepted.And we dont like terrorism.Otsalan was cought in Italy too and you had diplomatic problems with Italians.Your goverment should look what they do to kurdish people and not only what kurds do to you.And maybe mistaken mooves took part with Otsalan.If you talk about drugs talk about turkish taken part of north Cyprus.All the scums are there.Turks are not innocent
@modestos1991 Your Turkish is improving as the days go by. Budala, baklava. Malaka is hellens way of baby production, so I'll leave that to you Hellen-:)
@61engin53 Go find something more interesting to do..since it seems that you might have no friends or you have so many time to fill and the only thing you find interesting is to talk with greeks.
So if you like us that much and you like talking with us..you might have to look at your roots too.
Cuz maybe you are greek-sporos..Who knows..Have you checked your dna?
At least...My family kept their greek blood even those 400 years.I have checked my past 5 generations back.
your country has people who want to attack greece..Your army wanted to do it.Erdogan found out about it..and took the generals of their duty..Listen Engin.,
It seems that you get "food" from this exchanging of who is better from the other.You want to believe I am turkosporos too?
Well...I come from the island of Samos.And my grandfather was born in Turkey - Antalya from both greek parents.He was selling leathers.
@61engin53 well..it seems that YOU ..who knows history ..does not know it right.
So it is better to shut up if you dont know the real truth..acting like you know everything.
So if you want to play smart..For greeks ..for scopjans..for turks..just try to read many books..and try to be sure of what you say.If katharevousa is ancient greek then i am a little spartan.
@61engin53 you pretend to know history? what is your sources? Dont you know that greeks fought nazis?
You should be ashamed ..This is what they teach you? that greeks fought together with nazis?
well..I guess you dont know what greeks celebrate for 28th of Octomber of 1940.
At least we dont teach crap in the greek schools although the past few years some "patriots" try to re-write history to the greek books just to become friends with turks.Well some things dont change.
@61engin53 I dont care about your history.I know for the present.You dont respect human rights..you dont respect religion freedom. And you are far behind for Europe standards.You live in the past.
Your people are good people ..but nationalists.They love their country..but some overdo it.
Your army takes no control from the goverment.And you should be happy that you have Erdogan.
You have strong army ok.I didnt say the opposite.But you know you cant attack Greece.You never will.
@61engin53 You really think you are so smart? you should face a historian then..And then is going to laugh with you..You have red somethings..and you think you can play the smart guy here in youtube with people that simply dont have the answers..This doesnt mean that everything you say is what really is the truth.
@61engin53 In english language they have "borrowed" so many words from Greece.Like Melancholy, nostalgia , ..and many words about mecidines , illness etc..What does this mean?
That english people have no past? or that they are pathetic.
You are pathetic..That you look nations with all this hate.
And you think only your country is innocent.Well..it isnt.
@61engin53 This is crap..Who told you that we dont understand ancient Greek.,In England they have the ancient english..This does not mean that the ancient english has no connection with the new one.
You are so narrow minded and you wanna say things as you wanna say them.
you are a fasist .I dont care what a minority of greeks thinks.The borders are as they are now.
No changes can be done unless a war happens.A war helps no one.
You guys used to say we have Aithiopian blood!! or Turkish blood.
Well..I red a recent scientific search...Greeks kept their blood clear..And our race is Caucasian..Although 400 years of slavery greeks kept their Dna id.
But even if they didnt..mixtures always happen.
Every nation has good and bads..
Our language,words ofcourse changed through the years.This doesnt mean we dont have connection with our past.
@61engin53 Budala? Have in mind that British gave us land with Lozanee treaty in order to thank us for the 2nd world war..cuz we fought against Nazis and kicked their ass.Do you know that scopjans helped Nazis?So..you are friends with fasists..Do you want a picture as a proof? Scopjans taking pictures together with Nazis.They thought that Hitler is going to give them the greek part of Macedonia.Learn history you big budala.
And remember that HELLAS had states..it still has..
@modestos1991 You need to lick a lot of British asses not for giving you just land. You must lick their asses for giving you a name, a language and money in 1920's. But you little backstabbers have Nazis who helped the German in the II World War and hundreds of your little Nazis were hanged in Selanica. Read and learn, you little spartan -:))
@61engin53 So..We all know that Macedonians the true macedonians spoke doric greek , participated in Olympic games.had the drachma as currency..worshiped the greek god of olympus..
So..They were not "Greeks"? The word Greek is modern of course.We say "hellenes"...
They lived in different state..But alexander the great fought for greeks.To revenge for what persians did to greece.So..what is it excacly that makes him Slavomacedonian?Dont you see?Scopjans needed a hero..Like you need Kemal..
@modestos1991 Ask any Macedonia if they like you? They hate your guts. You have not only stolen their land, you have also stolen their history. Your Athens shithole university can produce greek dreamed up history but with the new era in communication, you are falling flat on your face in your shit. -:)))
@modestos1991 Scopjans? is this a word created to call Macedonians? Do you hellens (I like this word, very feminine) have a problem in saying Macedonias? -:)
how can a dance own by 1 race ? georgians turkishs greeks shared this black sea culture and some armenian too...if you say this is pure greek then how come turks and georgians had a similar one.
if its roots are from ancient greece..i applpuse them for bringing this to our world...its a culture...everybody should share it.and about your words to kemal; i can say that you are right..and in turkey nobody understands it..i guess from outside things r more clear then here
this is what you dont understand u moron...look at mirror...are u pure greek in blood...there is no blood which is not mixed...you think greeks are pure...you have many people whose surname related with turkish...i dont say its a problem..but its fact.every race is like this...get over your stupid pure race ideology...and yeniceri (yanissaries) is a name of soldier group..like todays navy..it doesnt mean turks..
ottoman politic is to steal greek childs ..you know what..u r funny
@peyotemania You are wrong,is well known that ottomans stealed greek childs.
They made ottoman even the brother of the king Konstantine the great of konstantinopole.
Ottomans had mongoloid characteristics, what about nowdays turks??? Dna studies in Greece show that for 99% we are aryans(indoeuropeans).Shame that exist pontians today that support turks
HAHHA...YEA THEY ONLY STEAL CHILDS...AND THEY DIDNT GET MARRIED WITH GREEK WOMAN...THEY ONLY STOLE CHILD...DO YOU BELIVE WHAT U R SAYIN....GREEKS LIVED 600 YEARS UNDER TURKISH OCCUPATION...AND U R SAYIN U R %99 INDOEUROPEAN....EVERY BODY IS MIXED AND DONT MAKE IT AS A PROBLEM...AND THERE IS NO RACE %99 CLEAN...IT CANT BE...THATS WHY THERE IS HUMANS NOW..OTHERWISE WE WERE APES...JUST READ ANTROPOLGY...NOT UR WIERD HISTORIANS...
@peyotemania But you don't know that greeks killed the childs from raped greek womans, this it was a law in that time. I agree with you about mariages, many greek womans married with turks but they stay in turkey and the others left greece when greece liberate after 500 years (not 600).When ottoman hords come they were only mens and married local womans, that's why turks are mixed people with armenians,greeks,persians and many others. But greece is not and dna research prove it
how can you be as this much stupid...turks came inside anatolia 1070s..,,1100s greeks started to live under our occupation...in 1453 and 1461 we erased east rome & pontus empire from history...
@peyotemania You erase pontus?? Hahahaha, pontus is still there idiot.
And pontians are still there but they are islamized and turkized because you faggots
islamized all the people of anatolia. Even your nowdays president erdogan is greek
pontian. Ottomans were short uglu mongoloid people who came from steppes without womens and married womenas from anatolia, so all turks today are mixed people with greeks,armenians,persians,kurds etc. 60 minorrities in turkey,world record
@61engin53 You have the nerve to talk about dishonesty..when you had greece under slavery for 400 years and cuz we had the guts to humiliate you,you only know to call us "turkosporos"? Your dont respect our graves,our churches,human rights and you have the NERVE to talk about dishonesty?
Look at the turkish generals.They are DISHONEST.
SHUT UP..CLOSE YOUR BUDALA MOUTH.
YOU ONLY KNOW TO PISS PEOPLE OFF AND TELL US THAT YOU ARE BETTER.
So.IF WE BECAME BACKSTABBERS TURKS MADE US.YOU DESERVED IT
@modestos1991 Why don't you just for once, look up the meaning of Greek in an internationally recognized dictionary? -:)
You can call whatever names you like for our Generals or anyone else. But that does not change the fact that you are a terrorist country. You were feeding, wining and dining PKK leader Abdullah Ocalan in your Nairobi Greek Embassy. He han a genuine Cypriot passport. Don't you have any honours? don't you have any respect?
@modestos1991 All this things belong to the past.I am not going to keep on doing this like a small child..Who cares now what happened on 1453 or 1821? or 1833?
Years pass by.Goverments try to forget.I dont take turks as my friends..
Have this in mind.But I dont hate turkish people for what the goverments do.
I know that many Turkish people offered hospitality to greeks and the opposite.
If you want to keep on telling us numbers..go to another video and keep on doing it..
@modestos1991 Bravo, hooreyyy, now you are talking like a big Spartan. Life is too short to dig into the past. Future is more important. Like many of Greek friends why don't you come to Istanbul and visit holly places and learn the real history of the Byzantine nad Ottoman history.
@61engin53 Even if I am turkosporos..and I am turk like you..I dont want to fuckk you..cuz your ass is smelling bad..I only fuck greek women..and they like it..
Do you have a turk women to fuck..or your dickk is not working anymore.
You are old..and maybe you are facing some problems.
@modestos1991 You were feeding, wining and dining PKK leader Abdullah Ocalan in your Nairobi Greek Embassy. He han a genuine Cypriot passport. Don't you have any honours? don't you have any respect? What kind of animals are you? How can you support a baby killer? How can you dare support a drug dealer and handle his money in your Greek banks?
What are you? shame on you you little Spartans -:)
@61engin53 I dont like you ..you are so nationalists.you are so stuck with your country..
and I am sure the history is being tought is different than the one they teach here.
Even greeks might teach history that is not 100% real.
These things happen.At least I have a life..and i love my country..and i dont try to teach the turks we are better than you..I dont care for you turks..You have your own problems.
@modestos1991 You talk about dishonesty when your country is sending turks from the mainland to Cyprus to change to the identity of the island.When the worst people of Turkey are sent to Cyprus..Crooks , drug dealing..everything happens on the turkish taken part of Cyprus with no control of police and you just know to blame Greeks for everything.Are you that stupid? and you talk for only what makes you feel good?
@modestos1991 You were feeding, wining and dining PKK leader Abdullah Ocalan in your Nairobi Greek Embassy. He han a genuine Cypriot passport. Don't you have any honours? don't you have any respect? What kind of animals are you? How can you support a baby killer? How can you dare support a drug dealer and handle his money in your Greek banks?
What are you? shame on you you little Spartans -:)
@modestos1991 You were feeding, wining and dining PKK leader Abdullah Ocalan in your Nairobi Greek Embassy. He han a genuine Cypriot passport. Don't you have any honours? don't you have any respect? What kind of animals are you? How can you support a baby killer? How can you dare support a drug dealer and handle his money in your Greek banks?
What are you? shame on you you little Spartans -:)
@61engin53 hey as$hole..before saying the same and the same again..why dont you try to answer what i am saying to you..and you write the same shit all over.
Who fed him as$hole? I did? or greek people..? Some politicians did..
so..you dont answer that your country makes to kurdish people..you just talk about only for what you want to talk about.the same and same again..
@61engin53 Since your country is getting ready for the great empire..why you personally are afraid of us?
Your fear is so big..that you got into this video with Pontian greek Dances to write that greece does not exists.
Well..at your point of view.
Turkey is a bigger country and with stronger army.
You will never attack us.You will suffer great loss and all the people will be against you.Today problems get solved in the courts and not with guns and knifes.
@modestos1991 Ancient greeks are gone for good. There is nothing left of ancient greeks. They are not even a species under the risk of disapperance. Dead for good.
You speak a language called Koine, not even ancient Greek.
Do a search and see how many Turkish words you have. Not just that everybody with the surname ending with ouglu are of Turkish origin. (BTW it means son of). Then you also have names like Kazancidis, Shekercidis, Bicakcidis and so on. They are of Turkish origin. -:)
@61engin53 Ofcrourse they are dead..aftter 2500 years they are dead! And the language got changed.We still have the same letters,names and many words from ancient Greeks.
Koine stupid ,means "Κοινή" and it means Common.You play the clever guy right?
So what if we have turkish words?You have greek words too.So..if Kazantzidis was turk why he loved Greece so much?..You forget that greeks were living in Konstantinoupoli and the West coast of turkey? influences from turkey ,italy (in corfu)...
@61engin53 Greece is a peacefull country .We love our freedom..Democracy was born here.Generaly greeks like protesting and fighting for their rights.Turkey does not respect human rights and religion freedom.
You dont respect Kurds armenians and so on.
Greeks fought for their freedom after 400 years of slavery and won against a bigger nation.
Greeks have the oldest history (together with Italy and Egypt, Japan, China ) ..that is why people hate us.
@61engin53 Turks love their country.I know that.Well done for them.Most of the Greeks respect the borders and dont want anything more.War makes no one happy.As for the dead turks that you said you took revenge from backstabbers ..Well.I dont know about the facts.Sure thing is ,that in some countries they teach nationalism and they teach that you are the good and all others the bad guys.
@61engin53 Spartans were Spartas.Athenians Were athenians..Macedonians were macedonians..Troyans were Troyans. Greece was not an empire.Sometimes they fought together and sometimes they were enemies between them.Agamemnon was attacking other states of Greece this doesnt mean the others were not greeks.
As for SlavoMacedonians-Scopjans..the answer is easy.They dont have a history and wanted to create one.
So..I am sure that you have a lots of others "facts" against us..
@61engin53 What history does Turkey have? I am Athenian..When in Athens we had medicines ,olympic games, democracy , philosophy..what did the turks have?
What did Turkey offered to humanity? I am sure that all you people makes you feel better to present us as muppet country ...and things like that.We dont like americans or Imperialism.
Greece was chosen by Jesus Christ and we spread christianity.
What did Turkey do except your Great Empire?Do you have anyone else except Kemal?
Why don't you ask Macedonians about who they are? You have been under the Turks for over 400 years and still have the guts to talk about a greek race? -:))))
What genocide? Muslims killed the backstabbers who had massacred 5.5 million muslims. Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. -:))
We are well known for our honesty and fighting spirits. If you know your place and be respectfull, we would not touch you, but if you go over the border, we would teach you a lesson. Very simple. -:))
@modestos1991 Again you should learn history. Pont empire was created by a Persian called Mithirad but as you steal history from everyone, you called it Pontus and named the guy as Mithiradis -:) This is the same mentality expected from Greeks. You try to steal even Great Alexandre from the Macedonias. Poor Greeks. By the way, the word Greek was given to you by the Romans, it means thieves, backstabbers, dishonest. The old occupants of south of Athens were called Romeikans not hellens. -:)
Your nation lost from greeks in 1821.Since then you always want our lands.but it seems that no one wants you in europe.
Since you like to be our enemies.you found your perfect allie..Scopjans
Ok..Maybe Ayia Sofia was not Greek then? Was it turkish?
There are no turkish blooded greeks in Greece.There is a minority in Thrace and Komotini..Lots of them.I have met lot of them in the army..They are muslims and good people.But it seems some turks are idiots..
@modestos1991 Who cares about Europe, look at Turkey, it is becoming a giant in Europe again. With our economy, do you rhink we care about getting into EU?, look at you begging for more money from EU to stand on your feet. You do not even want to pay for public transportation. You have become the joke of Europe.
@modestos1991 Hagia Sofia was built by the Eastern Romans, laern history.Look at your language, to create a connection with the past you tried to adopt Catharevoussa as your language, as no one could speak it, you have reverted back to Eastern medeterrian language called Koine but it has so many words from so many languages that it is not even Greek. You have probably 10,000 Turkish words in it. -:)
@modestos1991 Who cares about what a little greek calls the Turks?, You just put a smile on my face with your hopeless attitude. All of Greece was Muslim with christian minorities. What you did to them was a shamefull act. But we are proud people, we look forward and work hard to recreate the empire as we always did. But this tie we will not make mistakes and we will not trust people like you and you will never be able to backstab us again. We will treat you the way you deserve.-:)
@BoukephaIos1 no one spoke to you you fucking persian go back to your interesting life with your 50+ fake accounts and make 10000000000 comments at 300 trailer and shut the fuck up
Greece is in this bad situation now because of the corrupted politicians who and r mostly Jews.They're trying to destroy the greek spirit and I can see that in many things.Even a Turk politician had said'There's no reason to make war with Greece,we can send 5.000.000Muslims from here".We hate Macedonians too don't worry.But we know who we trully are.And yes history repeats and as we survived in the past we'll do the same now.
The day shall come when Phoebus Apollo returns and will stay forever
excuse me but it is ME who lives in Greece and I know better than you what's happening right now.. Greeks have pure DNA in comparison with other countries and that's because in ancient years it was unacceptable for the Greeks to marry foreigners.Of course our DNA might have changed a little because of the Ottoman Empire.What's your point about Jews and Muslims? because they stay here it doesn't mean that they all marry Greeks.None Greek would accept that only a few maybe..
τι να μας πουνε για πολιτισμο και εθνικη κληρονομια για ιστορια και παραδοση οι νομαδες που ηρθαν απο το πουθενα και ξεκληρησαν τον αραβικο και τον ελληνικο πολιτισμο με το παιδομαζομα οι απογονοι των γεννητσαρων να βλαλουν το σκασμο και να υποκλινονται στους ανωτερους πολιτισμους ακομη φιδια θα ετρωγαν αν δεν ερχονταν σε επαφη με αυτους τους πολιτισμους
pondooos REEEE ksipnateee....pame na gamisume tis manes ton turkoon....skatobastardi mas piran tin xora ekanan tosa kaka ke AKOMAAAA dikeologunde....ala dn pirazi i dikeosini 8 er8i opu na se..i wra tus plisiazii....i turki 8a katastrafun 8a klapsun me mavro dakri gia ola ta kaka p exun kani se olon ton kosmo....
@Rhomios The real surprise however, was the vast amount of attention the articles received, not just from Macedonians, but also from Greeks who saw the articles not as humourous but as “a horrible thing to do” not because they were not true but because they were “airing Greek dirty laundry” in public.
Now this is from a macedonian, have the guts to visit the site.:))))
In every post of you, its gets more and more clear for me that you are just the result of the turkish propaganda machinerie. Not only because of what you are writing, but because of the habit you have, not to question your "sources". Do you know where that historican is from or about his reputation? Do you know anything about the motivation of "To Vima" had to post this article? Just because something looks official and suits in your ideology, you take it for real. So typical.
@Rhomios You little creepy greek. when you can not find an answer you again refer to typical greek artificial lies. :))) I am someone that you greeks can not swallow. You are backstabbers, we fed you poor bastards for 400 centuries, gave you all the freedom in the world to practice your religion, even convert non greeks to orthodox religion and at the very first chance you've massacred innocent villagers with your megalo maniac greece idea. British used you, French used use, Russians used you.
@Rhomios Why?, simply because the religion. You are left overs of Turks, albanians, Macedonias, Bulgarians, Gipsies and you call yourself a nation. You bark at every tree everytime you get into deep shit. Well this tree is to hard to bark at. I gave you so many references not only from Europe and Turkey but also from Greece. But you little brain can't take it in.To Vima was just an example to show how big liars you are. You should be ashamed of yourselves. You wolud even eat shit for your goals.
@Rhomios In Larnaca, there was a peace festival called "Rainbow", greek terrorist created hell, stabbed 2 Turkish Cypriots (one of them crtically injured as he was stabbed in the lungs). Greek cypriot police refuse to escort them back to the Turkish side.
Now, this is called greek democracy!!. Greeks are peacefull people!!, their Enosis megalo mania is full steam ahead and our dear Rhomios will talk about Human Rights, animal lefts :))
This is called well fed greek terrorism in action.
In 1996, there was a huge peace demonstration from Berlin to Nicosia. Bozkurt from Turkey went there and attack the peaceful demonstration. Again, the Turks showed their real face. Only 3 years later, athough you threaten us with war, although you behaved honourless so many times, Greece was the first country who helped Turkey after the earthquake in Constantinople. Many of your countrymen live with Greek blood in their veins, thats the difference between democrats and backward nationalists.
@Rhomios Come on you little creep, we came to your rescue in Athens!!. Wake up, these are called little gestures in politics to test the future relationship. Unless you are a moron, you must the brains to undrestand gestures.
You still live in the past wake up it is year 2010 and November. :)))
@61engin53 Every country around you hate you. When reality hits you in the face, your little brain refers to lies created by Athens university paid puppet historians. :))
You feed terrorists in Lavrion camp, their leader was caught in your embassy in Nigeria and look at you, like a little dog, with your tail between your legs fail to respond properly. :)))
You are greeks, who triy desperately to buy the history created by others. No wonder Romans called you greek meaning thieves/backstabbers.
Oh come on... Ive answered on every stupid thing you have written, sometimes I answered you twice, since you repeated the stupid shit you wrote. You are a smallminded racist with a strange ideology and not to take serious. There wasnt one single proper source you gave me, and be glad that I give a shit on what you are thinking because If I would bother myself for an answer properly, your texts would completelly consist of insults, more than they have already been.
@Rhomios You have answered my balls. Every reference I've shown you, especially from greece. The only answer from you was "that has been refuted" :))) by whom?, the lying greek machine?, or terrorist supporting greek puppets?
@Rhomios You have answered my balls. Every reference I've shown you, especially from greece. The only answer from you was "that has been refuted" :))) by whom?, the lying greek machine?, or terrorist supporting greek puppets?
The Scythians ? do you know who they were and where they also came from?
Do you know that they were in Anatolia long before the word greek was invented?
Before you make another stupid claim that they were greek, let me remind you of TURKESTAN.
@Rhomios Tell me something, the pkk terrorist leader apo was in your Nigerian embassy, your government was trying to save his ass, you have a pkk camp (lavrion or whatever you call it in greek), Can you deny these facts?
Can you deny the honest greek historians who shows your real face to the world?
Isn't it true that non greeks would loose their citizenship if they left greece for more than six months?
I ve already talked to many Turks about those topics, people, who were much more intelligent as you. They, at least, were realists. I could imagine how they would laugh if you d tell them the story of the 4000 years of turkish presence in Asia Minor. Your whole argumentation is based on this goodnight story, and you are still ignoring it when Im questioning it.
As for Turkey: You yourself are a mix out of all the assimilated ethnies of Asia Minor and call yourself Turks. In the same time, you portray multiethnicity as undeserving. Exept from everything I wrote from you about the ethnical construction of the Greek people: The basis of a nation neednt be a ethnical but it can also be cultural or ideological, as it is f.e. for Turkey.
@Rhomios Isn't it true that you call the Anatolian Karamanli Turks (who are Kipchak/Kuman/ Iskit or Cimmerian origin) Turko Sporos?
Can you not use google? just do a little search and find out for yourself?
Are greeks a different specimen? how do you constract people? Do you take the leg from Ethopians, arms from Karamanlis, brain from Arabs?
Don't you realize that you are admitting that you are a puppet state created by major forces using all kinds of ethnic roots and orthodox religion? :))
Our state couldt have been founded, if there werent a Greek national identification. Through the whole ottoman occupation, the Greeks of asia minor and the Greeks of the Greek peninsula felt as Greeks, which was expressed through their religion and culture. The Ottoman Empire became more and more corrupt and the reign unbearable for ts subjects. Even the Arabs, who were Muslims with the same rights as you, made a revolution. I know... everything I say is Greek propaganda...poor guy...
@Rhomios :D:D, as you do not see, you are conflicting yourself. Ottomans became very corrupt, you are right in that respect. What you fail to understand is Ethnicity is NOT based on how you "FEEL". :)) In tihs board you use English, does that make you or me English? Of course not.
Greece was created as a puppet state by the big guys. There is no pure ethnic greek. The word itself was created in the 16th century by the Romans to mark thieves and backstabbers :)).
A nation isnt just based on ethnicity. Turkey is the biggest proof of that. Only 3% of the Turkish population has real Turkish roots, but I m repeating again. There is not a single pure ethnic country in the world, except of Iceland. Turkey is a multiethnic mix of ethnical Armenians, Kurds, Assyrians, Greeks, Georgians(Laz) and many, many more.
@Rhomios We are proud of having so many ethnic people in Turkey. That is why we ca ll Turky "Mozaic of people". We never denied the ethnic root of any people. Your problem is, anyone who is somehow involved in greek or a member of the orthodox church, you immediately make them greek. You forbid people to call themselves with their ethnic roots, simply because you greeks have no ethnic root. You create hell for macedonians and albanians. Can you deny the facts? well you are greek and you can :))
Even Kemal knew that, why do you think he invented the sentence "Ne mutlu türküm dyene"? It says: "Joy to whom SAYS I am Turk". During the Ottoman Empire, and Im repeating myself again, you counted as a Turk when you converted to Islam, that means, in the eyes of the Ottoman, every Greek(such as your folks), Armenian, Assyrian, Georgian or any kind of their subjects who converted became a Turk AUTOMATICALLY.
@Rhomios You have, like all greeks, a tendency to force your ideas on others. It is not Kemal It is Mustafa Kemal ATATÜRK, and he created a nation out of ashes of the greek destroyed country. During the Ottoman era, calling someone a Turk was turned into an insult. That is the reason behind the well known sentence. Most Turks do not even own the Ottoman history as the sultans were no longer Turks, corruption was at its high, that is why the "Young Turks" movement became very popular...
@Rhomios Most of Anatolian culture is culture of Turks, Arabs, Georgians, Iranians etc.. Unlike you we give credit to ethnic cultures. You just steal it.
Now there is a game Trabzonspor v Galatasaray and it is more important than greeks. So you will wait till tomorrow for the rest. :)))
And as I ve told you many times before, Greekness(Hellenism) is not so much based on ethnicity, as we are a very old tribe with many influences, but based on religion, culture and language. The very first people who were called Hellenes were themselves divided in 5 tribes, after Alexander conquered Asia and Egypt, lots of Persians and Egypts took over the Greek culture and mixed themselves with the former Greeks (who never vanished, but simply mixed).
@Rhomios Most of your culture is Anatolian culture. Funny enough, you failed to create words and you still use the Turkish words for most of your culture. That shows how much greek culture it is. Out of 4.5 million greeks, 1.5 million from Anatolia settled in greece. What is now greek culture is really Ottoman/Turkish/Anatolian culture. But you have make everything greek, so you add -is,us,os to the end to make it greek.
Suddenly you are proud of having many ethnic roots? What happened? Are you convinced or what? You are claiming the multiethnicity of Greece, using it as insult, pretending you are pure turk, and suddenly you are proud of your multiethnicity?
@Rhomios Atatürk was a genious and you hate him for being an honourable unique leader. You hate him for fucking up your megalo maniac dreams. You hate him for fucking up your patriach, you hate him for being a Turk. So what?, little greeks hate Atatürk, so he must be a great personality. I would have doubted him if he was liked by greeks :)
@Rhomios I am glad that at last some common sense got into your greek brain and you accepted the fact that greeks have no ethnic roots. What you call greek is based on language and culture. That is extra ordinary for a greek to admit. Funny enough I have been saying this all along. As there is ethnicity for the greeks, your attempt to somehow link yourselves to the so called “ancient greeks” is also false. As I said all along the word “greek” was used by the Romans in the 16th century.
@Rhomios They invaded the so called city states and ruled them for centuries and saw fit to name them “greeks” appropriately. Now if you want to question who the Romans were I’ll leave it to you to dig into for some history lesson. You’ve always been jealuous of Romans and Turks for the same reason. They have both dominated you for centuries.
@Rhomios To prove my point here are some of your city states Athens, Sparta, Corinth, Delphi and Thebes. Do they have a “greek” in them anywhere? Absolutely not. You and your paid puppet historians made them grek to create a connection between these city states and present day greece. Your problem is you are after a pure “greek race” similiar to the Nazis. Whereas in Turkey we accept peoples ethnic backgrounds as they are.
@Rhomios We still have people who call themselves “Boshnak” -Bosnians, “Arnavut”-Albanians and so on. We do not force them to change their religion or claim that they are ethnically Turks. They are what they are and also “Turks” meaning a citizen of Turkey. For Turks in Anatolia, try to do a search for Scythians, see where they came from and whom they have fought for and how they melted in the Anatolian pot. Very simple and I hope you get this through your greek head.
@Rhomios We have Jews, Romans (Levantens), Rums, Süryanis (Assyrians), Armenians, Georgians, you name it we have it. We also use a well known expression “Ya sev, ya terk et” meaning “either love it or leave it”.
Being a greek, surfaces every time you try to blame Turks and Turkey for things of the past. We do things openly, you hit me I hit you back ten times harder. You are greeks, you are backstabbers, We are Turks we hit you straight in the face. Simple as that.
@Rhomios You live in the past and dream of the past and that makes you megalo maniacs. You still use the word Constantinople for Istanbul, phtoshop the minarets built around the St. Sophia church. These are signs of living in the past. Lets for a second assume that you have somehow ended up in Turkey, what will you do with 73 million people Turkish citizens?
@Rhomios You tried this in Cyprus, what happened there is a good example, trying to unify Cyprus with Greece (ENOSIS) made you fall flat on your face into deep shit. Again your terror organization PKK failed and you ended up with blood on your hands. A country like greece financing and training terrorists went into history books. You do not say,” if it is true”, it is true, The greek secret service member Savas Kalenderidis was deeply involved in the whole operation.
@Rhomios Funny enough now with your retired general Andonis Naksakis who was the mastermind behind the PKK camps in Iraq, they have become tour organizers to Trabzon. Greece is a terrorist state and that is a fact. You do similiar things in Macedonia, Albania and Bulgaria. We Turks are not surprised, we know that greeks are liers and backstabbers. See how many hatred site there are for greeks not by Turks but by Albanians and Macedonians.
Im sure, 90 percent of the things you wrote about the connection between Greece and the PKK is not to find in a proper source. And as I ve told you before, referring to your condemnations for acts against humanity, no mattter what we ve done, you are much worse, little smallminded turkish friend :-). The Skythians werent Turks, they had nothing to do with the people you are referring to. Not to mention that the Greeks were about 600 years earlier in Asia Minor than them.
@Rhomios Well you little Turko Sporos, either you are too young or too ignorent. Here is a link to read news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/280622.stm , not only you financed, trained the PKK terrorist, you had to hand him over to us in your Nigerian Embassy. :))) Otherwise it was gonig to be "Casus Belli" :)))),
on a third note, the true Pyrrhic dance which Albanians still carry, is called "valle Shpata" aka spartan dance aka sword dance.
here is the the True ANCIENT PYRRHIC DANCE:
Dance Battle - ancient europeans Sword Dance avi. Gangstarr- Battle
YllusMC 3 months ago
don't claim these to be ancient greeks, these are also dressed like persian soldiers, all in black and all, Ancient Hellas/Illyrians/Etruscans aka Pelasgians warriors wore white as the dominant color whether they were pants or fustanella!
Look at jean leon gerome's "pyrrhic dance" and "La Danse Pyrrhique". The fustanella warriors aka Albanians still carry this tradition.
Pyrrhus aka "the eagle" called Illyrians "eagles people" aka Shqiptar(in Albanian means eagles people)!
YllusMC 3 months ago
@YllusMC
@YllusMC
i have seen the dance valle shpata
and there is nothing to connect it to the ancient greek dance pyrrhic or pirixios
it is not the only dance that we have that is ancient
the slavic people are in this area not over 1000 years
also find me one albanian word that can understant
dear albanian friend read little more history
trotskygr 2 months ago
@trotskygr
Can you explain how they are not the same, because those painting and others like Alexander Decamps "Albanian Dancers" are supporting my argument easy? And why are you bringing slavs in the discussion?
YllusMC 2 months ago
clearly a sllavic dance, take out the Pyrrhic name please, its offensive to us Albanians!
Everyone needs to quit talking racist!
YllusMC 3 months ago
@YllusMC
feçkë skyptaren!
KosmosChannel 3 months ago in playlist mix
@KosmosChannel
what are you trying to speak my language, Arvanite language?
YllusMC 3 months ago
beautiful
1xydz1 4 months ago
anastorw ta palaiaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!! noiwthw poli perifanos pou genithika pontios....Bravo re paidiaaaa
geofot13 6 months ago
etsi gamame emeis oi pontioi..!dwste re paidia!!!
asdrubael1985 8 months ago
pirihios or serra is an ancient war dance you mongol!get the fuck out of here...
asdrubael1985 8 months ago
You know this dance is originally from the Pashtun tribe in afghanistan. Its called the Attan though
Skylineownage 8 months ago
@Skylineownage sorry dude but i just watched a few videos on the Attan and its nothing like this dance
GREdimitraki12 8 months ago
@Skylineownage This dance called pyrrhic dance and is ancient greek dance. Pashtun took this from Great Alexander soldiers, it's 100% Greek dance
passariskwstas 7 months ago
bori i Tourkia na mas nikise ala afto den simeni oti tha mas paroun kai ta podiaka. Xorpste ade ade bravo kala tin xorevete re pedia
allinone1100 8 months ago
Long live Pontos
We never forget, remember that
paokmikael 9 months ago 8
where are the swords man? maybe lost in the course of 2000 years? This is not Pyrrhic dance. Whatch the real Pyrrhic dance and watch how they keep the stance of the eagle (of Zeus, or Zani like he was first called from Pythagoras)
youtube.com/watch?v=r7kgHxgRG3Y
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mamados55 10 months ago
AS$HOOOLEEEE ..you dint say anything about the drugs in occupied Cyprus.
About turkish cypriots who dont like erdogan anymore.you didnt say anything about the greek souvlaki with tzatziki....you didnt say anything about what otsalan ate..
hey AS$HOLE...DO YOU KNOW HOW TO MAKE DONER?
?HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
modestos1991 11 months ago
hey aS$HOLLEEEE ...MONGOLIAN...
TELL ME...WHY YOU ARE SUCH AN AS$HOLEEEEE?
SO DUMB AS$HOLE..hahahaha.
We ARE ABOUT TO STEAL THEIR DONER PEOPLE
HEY..CHECK THIS OUT
HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAH
modestos1991 11 months ago
@61engin53 hahaahahahahaha...we are about to steal your doner..and baklava...BE CAREFUL AS$HOLE
NO KEBAB FOR YOUR AS$...we stole them? hahahahahahaahahahahaaahahaha.
Do you have anything else before Kemal..? you never answer me what I am telling you.
You just like to make no connection between old and new greeks because you had this 400 years of occupation..and this made greeks turkosporos.You say the same and same again ..AS$HOLLLLEEEEEEEE
modestos1991 11 months ago
@61engin53 hahahah.this is serious conversation isnt it..? What about our greek songs..you steal them.
hahaha..you are such an as$hole..you know it? greek and hellenes are not the same?
hahahahahahaahahahaha
and who are you to say so..? like katharevousa is ancient greek?
hahaaha
YOU ARE SUCH A BUDALA YOU KNOW IT?
hahaahahahahahahahaha
modestos1991 11 months ago
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@61engin53 You talk about dishonest people? THE TURKS ARE HONEST? ARE YOU SERIOUS?
Your scams bring imigrants for money to greece and your country is a passage of crooks and you bring them to us..And you call us backstabbers? In turkey many drug dealing is made.Armenians blame you for genocide..Georgians dont like you too..You have the nerve to play the superior and inocent race..but your country if full of shit too.If you wanna blame greeks..clean your shit first..AND SHUT THE FUC.K UP
modestos1991 11 months ago
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@61engin53 You budala..you blame all greeks because politician did what they did with Otsalan?
After all Otsalan was your enemy..Not ours...You have killed Kurds too..And they fight for a country that they dont have.Maybe some are terrorist..It is the only thing they have left to do.We dont support terrorism but your goverment should try to solve the problem.If Otsalan stayed in greek embassy it is a problem of those who helped him.Not mine.
modestos1991 11 months ago
@61engin53 Otsalan was not accepted by Greeks.On 1998 Otsalan came to greece from from Syria and was not accepted.And we dont like terrorism.Otsalan was cought in Italy too and you had diplomatic problems with Italians.Your goverment should look what they do to kurdish people and not only what kurds do to you.And maybe mistaken mooves took part with Otsalan.If you talk about drugs talk about turkish taken part of north Cyprus.All the scums are there.Turks are not innocent
modestos1991 11 months ago
Greeks ..hellenes ..back stabbers..gay greeks..call us what you like.
At least all the universe knows what Greece gave them.
It is just what you like it to make us have no connection with your past cuz our past was bright.
At least we had past..What did you have except Kemal?
Democracy, medicines, olympic games , philosophy ,astronomy , mathematic , arts..
You mongol...Eat some kebab..
modestos1991 11 months ago
I keep it for some turks that cannot make children of their own.
That is why maybe you are a greek sporos..
Listen.Go get a life...this conversation is for little kids.
You are 57? What kind of conversations did you have when you were 15?
It is obvious that you like my conversations since you have no life..
So i am not going to play your game.
All the shit you say cannot touch me.
Tell me what everything you like..
I am who I am..and I dont try to proove greeks are better.
We know it.
modestos1991 11 months ago
@61engin53 Just before 30 minutes you where saying I am Turk and i dont know it..
Now that I think you are budala and malakas baklavas you say I am gay ?
Well..I havent tried a dick in my ass..and dont know how gay feels.
But I am sure that you like to make greek friends here..cuz you have gay feelings and your dick is not working anymore.
modestos1991 11 months ago
@modestos1991 Your Turkish is improving as the days go by. Budala, baklava. Malaka is hellens way of baby production, so I'll leave that to you Hellen-:)
61engin53 11 months ago
@61engin53 it is better being speechless than being dickless..
it seems everyone thinks you are malaka..in this channel.
so you are not welcomed.
"gay reek" ..? why dont you say gay greek..and you turks made it gay reek ?
does reek mean anything or it is turkish word? mongolian word?
haha..you think that you call me gay That i Am?
But even if we dont call you malakas..you are..and you know it.
Check out your dna please
I think you are malakas turkosporos.
modestos1991 11 months ago
@61engin53 Go find something more interesting to do..since it seems that you might have no friends or you have so many time to fill and the only thing you find interesting is to talk with greeks.
So if you like us that much and you like talking with us..you might have to look at your roots too.
Cuz maybe you are greek-sporos..Who knows..Have you checked your dna?
At least...My family kept their greek blood even those 400 years.I have checked my past 5 generations back.
That makes me greek.
modestos1991 11 months ago
@modestos1991 Did they keep the blood in a container or a glass jar? -:))
61engin53 11 months ago
@61engin53 "megalo maniacs" ?
your country has people who want to attack greece..Your army wanted to do it.Erdogan found out about it..and took the generals of their duty..Listen Engin.,
It seems that you get "food" from this exchanging of who is better from the other.You want to believe I am turkosporos too?
Well...I come from the island of Samos.And my grandfather was born in Turkey - Antalya from both greek parents.He was selling leathers.
I am proud to be greek..and for my history.
modestos1991 11 months ago
@modestos1991 So you are a Turko sporos -:))) Nice..
61engin53 11 months ago
@61engin53 You budala..dont you understand english? I told you I have checked my roots.
Have you checked yours..Is your dick working? are you sure about it?
Dont you have things to do? you are in a greek channel..Dont you have turkish chanels?
Go play with your friends budala..Why you want so many greek men arround you?
If you were a true superior race..you would know it and not try to proove it with bull$shit.
Yes..I keep my blood in jar and my sperm too.you want some ?
modestos1991 11 months ago
ΠΟΣΟ ΜΑΛΑΚΑΣ ΕΙΣΑΙ ENGIN..OΛΟΙ ΣΤΟ ΚΑΝΑΛΙ ΣΕ ΛΕΝΕ ΜΑΛΑΚΑ
ΕΣΥ ΚΑΤΑΛΑΒΕΣ ΑΚΟΜΑ ΤΙ ΕΙΣΑΙ?
modestos1991 11 months ago
@61engin53 well..it seems that YOU ..who knows history ..does not know it right.
So it is better to shut up if you dont know the real truth..acting like you know everything.
So if you want to play smart..For greeks ..for scopjans..for turks..just try to read many books..and try to be sure of what you say.If katharevousa is ancient greek then i am a little spartan.
Pathetic turk...
modestos1991 11 months ago
@61engin53 you pretend to know history? what is your sources? Dont you know that greeks fought nazis?
You should be ashamed ..This is what they teach you? that greeks fought together with nazis?
well..I guess you dont know what greeks celebrate for 28th of Octomber of 1940.
At least we dont teach crap in the greek schools although the past few years some "patriots" try to re-write history to the greek books just to become friends with turks.Well some things dont change.
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@61engin53 I dont care about your history.I know for the present.You dont respect human rights..you dont respect religion freedom. And you are far behind for Europe standards.You live in the past.
Your people are good people ..but nationalists.They love their country..but some overdo it.
Your army takes no control from the goverment.And you should be happy that you have Erdogan.
You have strong army ok.I didnt say the opposite.But you know you cant attack Greece.You never will.
modestos1991 11 months ago
@61engin53 how many you think that people are? there are always people with minds like that.
Scopjans want the aegian macedonia..albanians..the great albania..
WHO GIVES A SHIT?
modestos1991 11 months ago
@61engin53 You really think you are so smart? you should face a historian then..And then is going to laugh with you..You have red somethings..and you think you can play the smart guy here in youtube with people that simply dont have the answers..This doesnt mean that everything you say is what really is the truth.
So i dont give a shit what you say.
modestos1991 11 months ago
@modestos1991 This all sounds Greek to you little Spartan -:)))
61engin53 11 months ago
@61engin53 You the hell told you that katharevousa is ancient greek? Katharevousa was used by our parents ..
This means that from 1940 to 2011 Greece changed and we have no connection with our parents.
You are so pathetic.
The language just got more simple.We have polytonic system.Greek language is very difficult and not easy to learn.
You do you really think you are..You think you know everything?
Do you think you can feel better for your nation talking with people from youtube?
modestos1991 11 months ago
@modestos1991 This all sounds Greek to you little Spartan -:)))
61engin53 11 months ago
@61engin53 Thousands? are you sure? Maybe hundred..Why our history starts from 1832? this is crap..
The slavery of greece does not mean anything..You are so narrow minded and all the things you say is crap.
And you cannot change my feeling about my country..So no matter what you say and think you are no better than anyone.
Who do u really think you are?
You are just a turkish with lots of hate..that you think you are better that the others.
Look at your country.What did your country offer?
modestos1991 11 months ago
@61engin53 In english language they have "borrowed" so many words from Greece.Like Melancholy, nostalgia , ..and many words about mecidines , illness etc..What does this mean?
That english people have no past? or that they are pathetic.
You are pathetic..That you look nations with all this hate.
And you think only your country is innocent.Well..it isnt.
modestos1991 11 months ago
@modestos1991 If the English (British) weren't there there wolud have been no Greece you little Spartan-:)))
61engin53 11 months ago
@61engin53 This is crap..Who told you that we dont understand ancient Greek.,In England they have the ancient english..This does not mean that the ancient english has no connection with the new one.
You are so narrow minded and you wanna say things as you wanna say them.
you are a fasist .I dont care what a minority of greeks thinks.The borders are as they are now.
No changes can be done unless a war happens.A war helps no one.
Katharevousa is not ancient greek.You are wrong.
modestos1991 11 months ago
You guys used to say we have Aithiopian blood!! or Turkish blood.
Well..I red a recent scientific search...Greeks kept their blood clear..And our race is Caucasian..Although 400 years of slavery greeks kept their Dna id.
But even if they didnt..mixtures always happen.
Every nation has good and bads..
Our language,words ofcourse changed through the years.This doesnt mean we dont have connection with our past.
modestos1991 11 months ago
@modestos1991 :D:D:D:D:D, well done you now have Caucasian blood... Guess what, do you have any idea where the Turks lived before invading Anatolia?
You are a joke, the little spartan -:)))
61engin53 11 months ago
@61engin53 Little spartan? you turks have no match with Spartans..
Spartans were the greatest soldiers ..Born to fight....
But maybe for the turks , spartans were not greeks..And just spartans..
HA..as usual...Greeks are pathetic turks are better eh?
That is why we kicked your as$ and got liberated..
Do you know Georgios Kolokotronis?
What else you have except Kemal and baklava? hahaha kebab maybe? or Karagioz ?
hahaha.
modestos1991 11 months ago
@modestos1991 A litle Spartan got you going heyyyy -:) Isn't that nice :D:D:D
But you need to learn more from yourt grannies before kicking ass -:) Ask them who screwed for over 400 years -:))
61engin53 11 months ago
@61engin53 Got me? you want me to laugh as you ?
You got in here to find a friend? or spend some time of your empty and miserable life?
You honour me if you call me Spartan.As for the little..! you are imature .
Little Leonidas could open your as$ to with the spear from 100 meters.
This is the end of the story.No more replying.
I am not going to get friend with an as$hole stuck in the past and the numbers..just because you want to proove better.
modestos1991 11 months ago
@modestos1991 Come on you little Spartan don't go away, I am enjoying this exchange of thoughts. -:)
You are probably a Turk who has been trained to believe he is a Spartan -:))
61engin53 11 months ago
@61engin53 Budala? Have in mind that British gave us land with Lozanee treaty in order to thank us for the 2nd world war..cuz we fought against Nazis and kicked their ass.Do you know that scopjans helped Nazis?So..you are friends with fasists..Do you want a picture as a proof? Scopjans taking pictures together with Nazis.They thought that Hitler is going to give them the greek part of Macedonia.Learn history you big budala.
And remember that HELLAS had states..it still has..
modestos1991 11 months ago
@modestos1991 You need to lick a lot of British asses not for giving you just land. You must lick their asses for giving you a name, a language and money in 1920's. But you little backstabbers have Nazis who helped the German in the II World War and hundreds of your little Nazis were hanged in Selanica. Read and learn, you little spartan -:))
61engin53 11 months ago
@61engin53 So..We all know that Macedonians the true macedonians spoke doric greek , participated in Olympic games.had the drachma as currency..worshiped the greek god of olympus..
So..They were not "Greeks"? The word Greek is modern of course.We say "hellenes"...
They lived in different state..But alexander the great fought for greeks.To revenge for what persians did to greece.So..what is it excacly that makes him Slavomacedonian?Dont you see?Scopjans needed a hero..Like you need Kemal..
modestos1991 11 months ago
@modestos1991 Ask any Macedonia if they like you? They hate your guts. You have not only stolen their land, you have also stolen their history. Your Athens shithole university can produce greek dreamed up history but with the new era in communication, you are falling flat on your face in your shit. -:)))
61engin53 11 months ago
@61engin53 macedonia? I am not going to say the same again.Macedonia is a wider geographical area..including greece,FYROM, bulgaria and kossovo.
For me..they arent even FYROM..they are Vardarska.or Paionia..or Dardania read history asshole.
You wanto to call slavs , macedonians? we stole their land? how?
IDIOT , DUMB..DURAK , BUDALA AS$HOLE
ahahahahaha
modestos1991 11 months ago
@61engin53 haha.it was not you ! Turks of Ottoman empire have nothing to do with the turks now.You wear ties and bear no knifes..
That is why you are so stuck in Kemal.You cannot forget him.He is your great hero.You have no one else.
(like Scopjans are stuck with alexander)
And remember it does not matter how big is an army.The soul and target of goal is that matters.
Greeks wanted their freedom and no mater how few we were ..we ashamed you.
So..put your 400 years..well you know where.
modestos1991 11 months ago
@modestos1991 We know where we put our dicks for over 400 years and see what has come out, little Spartans -:)))
61engin53 11 months ago
@61engin53 Since you know..take it off your as$,.,cuz is it stuck there...and makes you feel uncomfortable.
modestos1991 11 months ago
@modestos1991 What are you a little creep gayreek who refers to swearings everytime he becomes speechless? -:))))
61engin53 11 months ago
@modestos1991 Scopjans? is this a word created to call Macedonians? Do you hellens (I like this word, very feminine) have a problem in saying Macedonias? -:)
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modestos1991 11 months ago
@61engin53 you dont even know how to say it..idiot..and it sounds feminine to you
hellens?hahahaha
modestos1991 11 months ago
@61engin53 This dance is ancient greek dance, learn the history and stop the bullshits.
Fyromians are not macedonians but bulgarians slavs and exist so many proofs about that.
Macedonians were greeks just like spartans,athenians,cretans,pontians etc.
About turks, turks are people from different tribes and cultures united from kemal,
for examble in black sea most people there are greeks georgians and armenians
passariskwstas 7 months ago 9
@passariskwstas
how can a dance own by 1 race ? georgians turkishs greeks shared this black sea culture and some armenian too...if you say this is pure greek then how come turks and georgians had a similar one.
if its roots are from ancient greece..i applpuse them for bringing this to our world...its a culture...everybody should share it.and about your words to kemal; i can say that you are right..and in turkey nobody understands it..i guess from outside things r more clear then here
peyotemania 6 months ago
@peyotemania Because they are not turks, turks in not a pure race and especially not ottomans.
Ottomans politic was to steal Greek childs and make them yanissaries( turks).
Do you know how many people in today turkey are Greeks in their blood???
I have cousins in trabzon, they think that are turks but in reality they are Greeks,
turks brainwashed them and make one country from many different tribes.
Pontians are Greeks descents from spartans and macedonians
passariskwstas 6 months ago
@passariskwstas
this is what you dont understand u moron...look at mirror...are u pure greek in blood...there is no blood which is not mixed...you think greeks are pure...you have many people whose surname related with turkish...i dont say its a problem..but its fact.every race is like this...get over your stupid pure race ideology...and yeniceri (yanissaries) is a name of soldier group..like todays navy..it doesnt mean turks..
ottoman politic is to steal greek childs ..you know what..u r funny
peyotemania 6 months ago
@peyotemania You are wrong,is well known that ottomans stealed greek childs.
They made ottoman even the brother of the king Konstantine the great of konstantinopole.
Ottomans had mongoloid characteristics, what about nowdays turks??? Dna studies in Greece show that for 99% we are aryans(indoeuropeans).Shame that exist pontians today that support turks
passariskwstas 6 months ago
@passariskwstas
HAHHA...YEA THEY ONLY STEAL CHILDS...AND THEY DIDNT GET MARRIED WITH GREEK WOMAN...THEY ONLY STOLE CHILD...DO YOU BELIVE WHAT U R SAYIN....GREEKS LIVED 600 YEARS UNDER TURKISH OCCUPATION...AND U R SAYIN U R %99 INDOEUROPEAN....EVERY BODY IS MIXED AND DONT MAKE IT AS A PROBLEM...AND THERE IS NO RACE %99 CLEAN...IT CANT BE...THATS WHY THERE IS HUMANS NOW..OTHERWISE WE WERE APES...JUST READ ANTROPOLGY...NOT UR WIERD HISTORIANS...
peyotemania 6 months ago
@peyotemania But you don't know that greeks killed the childs from raped greek womans, this it was a law in that time. I agree with you about mariages, many greek womans married with turks but they stay in turkey and the others left greece when greece liberate after 500 years (not 600).When ottoman hords come they were only mens and married local womans, that's why turks are mixed people with armenians,greeks,persians and many others. But greece is not and dna research prove it
passariskwstas 6 months ago
@passariskwstas
how can you be as this much stupid...turks came inside anatolia 1070s..,,1100s greeks started to live under our occupation...in 1453 and 1461 we erased east rome & pontus empire from history...
peyotemania 6 months ago
@peyotemania You erase pontus?? Hahahaha, pontus is still there idiot.
And pontians are still there but they are islamized and turkized because you faggots
islamized all the people of anatolia. Even your nowdays president erdogan is greek
pontian. Ottomans were short uglu mongoloid people who came from steppes without womens and married womenas from anatolia, so all turks today are mixed people with greeks,armenians,persians,kurds etc. 60 minorrities in turkey,world record
passariskwstas 6 months ago
@61engin53 You have the nerve to talk about dishonesty..when you had greece under slavery for 400 years and cuz we had the guts to humiliate you,you only know to call us "turkosporos"? Your dont respect our graves,our churches,human rights and you have the NERVE to talk about dishonesty?
Look at the turkish generals.They are DISHONEST.
SHUT UP..CLOSE YOUR BUDALA MOUTH.
YOU ONLY KNOW TO PISS PEOPLE OFF AND TELL US THAT YOU ARE BETTER.
So.IF WE BECAME BACKSTABBERS TURKS MADE US.YOU DESERVED IT
modestos1991 11 months ago
@modestos1991 Why don't you just for once, look up the meaning of Greek in an internationally recognized dictionary? -:)
You can call whatever names you like for our Generals or anyone else. But that does not change the fact that you are a terrorist country. You were feeding, wining and dining PKK leader Abdullah Ocalan in your Nairobi Greek Embassy. He han a genuine Cypriot passport. Don't you have any honours? don't you have any respect?
61engin53 11 months ago
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modestos1991 11 months ago
@modestos1991 By the Way, I am enjoying your comments... Learn history you little Spartan-:))
61engin53 11 months ago
@61engin53 Not from your sources....So what? Your army was bigger...and you got ashamed.
Just like Leonidas did with the persians.
No matter what you say..Spartans were great soldiers.Born and raised as soldiers.
Something like Samurai..
Turkish army was superior in numbers.But if you read about that Kolokotronis and Nikitaras did to you...you will not put this "smile" on your face.
Nikitaras had the name "The turk-eater"
modestos1991 11 months ago
@modestos1991 All this things belong to the past.I am not going to keep on doing this like a small child..Who cares now what happened on 1453 or 1821? or 1833?
Years pass by.Goverments try to forget.I dont take turks as my friends..
Have this in mind.But I dont hate turkish people for what the goverments do.
I know that many Turkish people offered hospitality to greeks and the opposite.
If you want to keep on telling us numbers..go to another video and keep on doing it..
Get a life.
modestos1991 11 months ago
@modestos1991 Bravo, hooreyyy, now you are talking like a big Spartan. Life is too short to dig into the past. Future is more important. Like many of Greek friends why don't you come to Istanbul and visit holly places and learn the real history of the Byzantine nad Ottoman history.
61engin53 11 months ago
@61engin53 Even if I am turkosporos..and I am turk like you..I dont want to fuckk you..cuz your ass is smelling bad..I only fuck greek women..and they like it..
Do you have a turk women to fuck..or your dickk is not working anymore.
You are old..and maybe you are facing some problems.
Have you tried viagra lately?
modestos1991 11 months ago
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@modestos1991 What are you a little creep gayreek who refers to swearings everytime he becomes speechless? -:))))
61engin53 11 months ago
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@modestos1991 You were feeding, wining and dining PKK leader Abdullah Ocalan in your Nairobi Greek Embassy. He han a genuine Cypriot passport. Don't you have any honours? don't you have any respect? What kind of animals are you? How can you support a baby killer? How can you dare support a drug dealer and handle his money in your Greek banks?
What are you? shame on you you little Spartans -:)
61engin53 11 months ago
@61engin53 I dont like you ..you are so nationalists.you are so stuck with your country..
and I am sure the history is being tought is different than the one they teach here.
Even greeks might teach history that is not 100% real.
These things happen.At least I have a life..and i love my country..and i dont try to teach the turks we are better than you..I dont care for you turks..You have your own problems.
So live your life..if you have any.
modestos1991 11 months ago
@modestos1991 What are you a little creep gayreek who refers to swearings everytime he becomes speechless? -:))))
61engin53 11 months ago
@modestos1991 You talk about dishonesty when your country is sending turks from the mainland to Cyprus to change to the identity of the island.When the worst people of Turkey are sent to Cyprus..Crooks , drug dealing..everything happens on the turkish taken part of Cyprus with no control of police and you just know to blame Greeks for everything.Are you that stupid? and you talk for only what makes you feel good?
modestos1991 11 months ago
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@modestos1991 You were feeding, wining and dining PKK leader Abdullah Ocalan in your Nairobi Greek Embassy. He han a genuine Cypriot passport. Don't you have any honours? don't you have any respect? What kind of animals are you? How can you support a baby killer? How can you dare support a drug dealer and handle his money in your Greek banks?
What are you? shame on you you little Spartans -:)
61engin53 11 months ago
@modestos1991 You were feeding, wining and dining PKK leader Abdullah Ocalan in your Nairobi Greek Embassy. He han a genuine Cypriot passport. Don't you have any honours? don't you have any respect? What kind of animals are you? How can you support a baby killer? How can you dare support a drug dealer and handle his money in your Greek banks?
What are you? shame on you you little Spartans -:)
61engin53 11 months ago
@61engin53 hey as$hole..before saying the same and the same again..why dont you try to answer what i am saying to you..and you write the same shit all over.
Who fed him as$hole? I did? or greek people..? Some politicians did..
so..you dont answer that your country makes to kurdish people..you just talk about only for what you want to talk about.the same and same again..
modestos1991 11 months ago
@61engin53 well..I AM SO ASHAMED..we are a country of turkosporos..and a terrorist country...and backstabbers..and stole your kebab..and doner...
oh my my my ...
SO SERIOUS ACCUSATIONS..
I FEEL SOOOO SAD ABOUT MY SELF.
SO ASHAMED..YOU TURKS ARE BETTER THAN GREEKS.
YOU MAKE BETTER DONER THAN US..AND YOU JUST EXPECTED US TO GIVE YOU OUR LAND.
WELL...IF WE ARE FASCISTS..AND HELPED NAZIS..I DONT GET IT..
WHY GERMANY STILL OWE US MONEY FOR THE WAR?..hmmm
maybe we didnt kill enough nazis.
modestos1991 11 months ago
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@61engin53 Since your country is getting ready for the great empire..why you personally are afraid of us?
Your fear is so big..that you got into this video with Pontian greek Dances to write that greece does not exists.
Well..at your point of view.
Turkey is a bigger country and with stronger army.
You will never attack us.You will suffer great loss and all the people will be against you.Today problems get solved in the courts and not with guns and knifes.
So get a life..little minded turk.
modestos1991 11 months ago
I am sure that you try to collect many "facts" from turkish pages to humiliate some greeks and say things against them..Dont you have a life?
Dont you have an empire to create? So..someone told you that you say you are from Greece..So you pretend to be a greek guy ?
57 old guy and you act like a 15 year old.
Well..I am proud to be Greek..And Politicians mistakes are not a mistake of greek people.Who try to make their country stonger again.
modestos1991 11 months ago
So..greece is a muppet country and not scopjans?
You are just an authentic Turk huh?
A higher race ?
Well..Ofrouce we have turkish words.Maybe I can count them ...
I cannot count how many greek words we have given to the world..and they use from us..
So..Ancient greeks where nothing eh?
Just the Turks are higher from everyone?
Ok..Try to work really hard to re-create your Gallactic - Ottoman empire.
But try your best..
modestos1991 11 months ago
@modestos1991 Ancient greeks are gone for good. There is nothing left of ancient greeks. They are not even a species under the risk of disapperance. Dead for good.
You speak a language called Koine, not even ancient Greek.
Do a search and see how many Turkish words you have. Not just that everybody with the surname ending with ouglu are of Turkish origin. (BTW it means son of). Then you also have names like Kazancidis, Shekercidis, Bicakcidis and so on. They are of Turkish origin. -:)
61engin53 11 months ago
@61engin53 Ofcrourse they are dead..aftter 2500 years they are dead! And the language got changed.We still have the same letters,names and many words from ancient Greeks.
Koine stupid ,means "Κοινή" and it means Common.You play the clever guy right?
So what if we have turkish words?You have greek words too.So..if Kazantzidis was turk why he loved Greece so much?..You forget that greeks were living in Konstantinoupoli and the West coast of turkey? influences from turkey ,italy (in corfu)...
modestos1991 11 months ago
@61engin53 Greece is a peacefull country .We love our freedom..Democracy was born here.Generaly greeks like protesting and fighting for their rights.Turkey does not respect human rights and religion freedom.
You dont respect Kurds armenians and so on.
Greeks fought for their freedom after 400 years of slavery and won against a bigger nation.
Greeks have the oldest history (together with Italy and Egypt, Japan, China ) ..that is why people hate us.
So..Dont you have an empire to create?
modestos1991 11 months ago
@61engin53 Turks love their country.I know that.Well done for them.Most of the Greeks respect the borders and dont want anything more.War makes no one happy.As for the dead turks that you said you took revenge from backstabbers ..Well.I dont know about the facts.Sure thing is ,that in some countries they teach nationalism and they teach that you are the good and all others the bad guys.
modestos1991 11 months ago
@61engin53 Spartans were Spartas.Athenians Were athenians..Macedonians were macedonians..Troyans were Troyans. Greece was not an empire.Sometimes they fought together and sometimes they were enemies between them.Agamemnon was attacking other states of Greece this doesnt mean the others were not greeks.
As for SlavoMacedonians-Scopjans..the answer is easy.They dont have a history and wanted to create one.
So..I am sure that you have a lots of others "facts" against us..
modestos1991 11 months ago
@61engin53 What history does Turkey have? I am Athenian..When in Athens we had medicines ,olympic games, democracy , philosophy..what did the turks have?
What did Turkey offered to humanity? I am sure that all you people makes you feel better to present us as muppet country ...and things like that.We dont like americans or Imperialism.
Greece was chosen by Jesus Christ and we spread christianity.
What did Turkey do except your Great Empire?Do you have anyone else except Kemal?
modestos1991 11 months ago
As for the word "greek" which is very old..
I could reply to you with a greek saying.
Some have the name..others have the way
You say a lot of things...It seems you like to collect hate against our race.
Well.As for the buses..People are angry with the politicians.Thats all.
Katharevousa is Greek! we didnt adopt anything..
Ofcourse there where many muslims on greece.Greece was occupied.!
You look forward to re-create the empire?
Hahaha.ok..go ahead.
modestos1991 11 months ago
Ok..Mithrirad was not Greek..that is why he used as the language of Pontos the pontian greek language.
Alexander was Macedonian ofcourse.We dont try to say he was greek..
He has macedonian.Macedonians are greeks.As spartans as athenians.
Ok..You read what you read from turkish sites?
So much hate for Greece then?
Well..What about the genocide of Armenians and Pontians?
What about your country?
Look at your mess and stop looking at the others.
modestos1991 11 months ago
@modestos1991
Why don't you ask Macedonians about who they are? You have been under the Turks for over 400 years and still have the guts to talk about a greek race? -:))))
What genocide? Muslims killed the backstabbers who had massacred 5.5 million muslims. Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. -:))
We are well known for our honesty and fighting spirits. If you know your place and be respectfull, we would not touch you, but if you go over the border, we would teach you a lesson. Very simple. -:))
61engin53 11 months ago
Turks or Scopjans will never attack greece..Or the opposite.
Do you really expect to get into EU? Scopjans expect to get into EU as well?
Even Hillary Clinton asked their minister to change his way of seeing things.
I dont care if you hate Greece or not.The borders are what they are now.
Pontos area belongs to Turkey now.And Greece got lands back after the treaty of Lozani.If you like to help the scopjans you are free to do do.
And you can believe what you want.I dont care.
modestos1991 11 months ago
@modestos1991 Again you should learn history. Pont empire was created by a Persian called Mithirad but as you steal history from everyone, you called it Pontus and named the guy as Mithiradis -:) This is the same mentality expected from Greeks. You try to steal even Great Alexandre from the Macedonias. Poor Greeks. By the way, the word Greek was given to you by the Romans, it means thieves, backstabbers, dishonest. The old occupants of south of Athens were called Romeikans not hellens. -:)
61engin53 11 months ago
@61engin53 As for learning history.I am not going to learn it from you.
I can read a historic book from a neutral source.And not turkish/greek books.
So you can ask a historian for Alexander the Great..As I did..
So,afterwards tell me if he has SlavoMacedonian as scopjans.
I had this conversation with a university teacher from USA.
Scopjans are'nt true Macedonians.They got the name from the territory.
What about ancient macedonians?
Do they have anything in common with Scopjans?
modestos1991 11 months ago
our name is HELLAS..not GREECE..
We are Hellenes.Not Greeks..Yaninstan meens united.
Our country always had many regions.Sometimes they were allies between then and sometimes enemies.You know nothing about the Hellenic /Greek way.
We are proud for what we are.We are peaceful country..but bad politicians.
At least our army follows the orders of the prime minister..Not like yours..
Erdogan cannot control anyone..And your army tried to overthrown him
modestos1991 11 months ago
@modestos1991 You are learning the junk again -:) Try reading proper books written by non-Greeks. -:)
Yunanistan means land of Yunans, ie land of Ionians. -:) This is the best favour you got from the Turks as we adopted the word from Arabs.
There was no country called Yunanistan, Greece or Hellas until 1832. Learn history, you are a puppet state created by the imperialist countries.
There is not a single map from ancient times which has the words Greece or Hellas written on it. Wake up -:)
61engin53 11 months ago
Your nation lost from greeks in 1821.Since then you always want our lands.but it seems that no one wants you in europe.
Since you like to be our enemies.you found your perfect allie..Scopjans
Ok..Maybe Ayia Sofia was not Greek then? Was it turkish?
There are no turkish blooded greeks in Greece.There is a minority in Thrace and Komotini..Lots of them.I have met lot of them in the army..They are muslims and good people.But it seems some turks are idiots..
modestos1991 11 months ago
@modestos1991 Who cares about Europe, look at Turkey, it is becoming a giant in Europe again. With our economy, do you rhink we care about getting into EU?, look at you begging for more money from EU to stand on your feet. You do not even want to pay for public transportation. You have become the joke of Europe.
61engin53 11 months ago
@modestos1991 Hagia Sofia was built by the Eastern Romans, laern history.Look at your language, to create a connection with the past you tried to adopt Catharevoussa as your language, as no one could speak it, you have reverted back to Eastern medeterrian language called Koine but it has so many words from so many languages that it is not even Greek. You have probably 10,000 Turkish words in it. -:)
61engin53 11 months ago
@modestos1991 Who cares about what a little greek calls the Turks?, You just put a smile on my face with your hopeless attitude. All of Greece was Muslim with christian minorities. What you did to them was a shamefull act. But we are proud people, we look forward and work hard to recreate the empire as we always did. But this tie we will not make mistakes and we will not trust people like you and you will never be able to backstab us again. We will treat you the way you deserve.-:)
61engin53 11 months ago
what is this instrument called?
summer3348 11 months ago
@BoukephaIos1 no one spoke to you you fucking persian go back to your interesting life with your 50+ fake accounts and make 10000000000 comments at 300 trailer and shut the fuck up
alyctus 11 months ago
Greece is in this bad situation now because of the corrupted politicians who and r mostly Jews.They're trying to destroy the greek spirit and I can see that in many things.Even a Turk politician had said'There's no reason to make war with Greece,we can send 5.000.000Muslims from here".We hate Macedonians too don't worry.But we know who we trully are.And yes history repeats and as we survived in the past we'll do the same now.
The day shall come when Phoebus Apollo returns and will stay forever
alyctus 11 months ago
excuse me but it is ME who lives in Greece and I know better than you what's happening right now.. Greeks have pure DNA in comparison with other countries and that's because in ancient years it was unacceptable for the Greeks to marry foreigners.Of course our DNA might have changed a little because of the Ottoman Empire.What's your point about Jews and Muslims? because they stay here it doesn't mean that they all marry Greeks.None Greek would accept that only a few maybe..
alyctus 11 months ago
τι να μας πουνε για πολιτισμο και εθνικη κληρονομια για ιστορια και παραδοση οι νομαδες που ηρθαν απο το πουθενα και ξεκληρησαν τον αραβικο και τον ελληνικο πολιτισμο με το παιδομαζομα οι απογονοι των γεννητσαρων να βλαλουν το σκασμο και να υποκλινονται στους ανωτερους πολιτισμους ακομη φιδια θα ετρωγαν αν δεν ερχονταν σε επαφη με αυτους τους πολιτισμους
otokonokakseisso 11 months ago
thee mouuuuuuuuuuuu ti mou grafei o allos o tourkos oti oi ellhnes den exoume ethnikes rizes!!!!!!!!!aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
alyctus 11 months ago
ΣΚΑΤΑ ΣΚΑΤΑ ΣΤΟΝ ΤΑΦΟ ΤΟΥ ΚΕΜΑΛ!!
ΤΣΕΚΟΥΡΙ ΚΑΙ ΦΩΤΙΑ ΣΤΑ ΤΟΥΡΚΙΚΑ ΣΚΥΛΙΑ!!!
MrAntifon 11 months ago
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MrAntifon 11 months ago
pontos reee!!!!! panta siginoume otan akouo (ΕΛΛΑΣ)
skozani 1 year ago
pondooos REEEE ksipnateee....pame na gamisume tis manes ton turkoon....skatobastardi mas piran tin xora ekanan tosa kaka ke AKOMAAAA dikeologunde....ala dn pirazi i dikeosini 8 er8i opu na se..i wra tus plisiazii....i turki 8a katastrafun 8a klapsun me mavro dakri gia ola ta kaka p exun kani se olon ton kosmo....
helleneleni 1 year ago
Just WATCH and ENJOY it ! :D
MeTrabzonlu61 1 year ago
LIVE REBUBLIC OF GREEK PONTOS. CAPITAL CITY TRAPEZOUNTA
Ibelieve4567 1 year ago
Bravo pedia//Na zisi o PONTOS....
EvksinosPontos 1 year ago
@Rhomios The real surprise however, was the vast amount of attention the articles received, not just from Macedonians, but also from Greeks who saw the articles not as humourous but as “a horrible thing to do” not because they were not true but because they were “airing Greek dirty laundry” in public.
Now this is from a macedonian, have the guts to visit the site.:))))
61engin53 1 year ago
In every post of you, its gets more and more clear for me that you are just the result of the turkish propaganda machinerie. Not only because of what you are writing, but because of the habit you have, not to question your "sources". Do you know where that historican is from or about his reputation? Do you know anything about the motivation of "To Vima" had to post this article? Just because something looks official and suits in your ideology, you take it for real. So typical.
Rhomios 1 year ago
@Rhomios You little creepy greek. when you can not find an answer you again refer to typical greek artificial lies. :))) I am someone that you greeks can not swallow. You are backstabbers, we fed you poor bastards for 400 centuries, gave you all the freedom in the world to practice your religion, even convert non greeks to orthodox religion and at the very first chance you've massacred innocent villagers with your megalo maniac greece idea. British used you, French used use, Russians used you.
61engin53 1 year ago
@Rhomios Why?, simply because the religion. You are left overs of Turks, albanians, Macedonias, Bulgarians, Gipsies and you call yourself a nation. You bark at every tree everytime you get into deep shit. Well this tree is to hard to bark at. I gave you so many references not only from Europe and Turkey but also from Greece. But you little brain can't take it in.To Vima was just an example to show how big liars you are. You should be ashamed of yourselves. You wolud even eat shit for your goals.
61engin53 1 year ago
@Rhomios In Larnaca, there was a peace festival called "Rainbow", greek terrorist created hell, stabbed 2 Turkish Cypriots (one of them crtically injured as he was stabbed in the lungs). Greek cypriot police refuse to escort them back to the Turkish side.
Now, this is called greek democracy!!. Greeks are peacefull people!!, their Enosis megalo mania is full steam ahead and our dear Rhomios will talk about Human Rights, animal lefts :))
This is called well fed greek terrorism in action.
61engin53 1 year ago
In 1996, there was a huge peace demonstration from Berlin to Nicosia. Bozkurt from Turkey went there and attack the peaceful demonstration. Again, the Turks showed their real face. Only 3 years later, athough you threaten us with war, although you behaved honourless so many times, Greece was the first country who helped Turkey after the earthquake in Constantinople. Many of your countrymen live with Greek blood in their veins, thats the difference between democrats and backward nationalists.
Rhomios 1 year ago
@Rhomios Come on you little creep, we came to your rescue in Athens!!. Wake up, these are called little gestures in politics to test the future relationship. Unless you are a moron, you must the brains to undrestand gestures.
You still live in the past wake up it is year 2010 and November. :)))
61engin53 1 year ago
@61engin53 Every country around you hate you. When reality hits you in the face, your little brain refers to lies created by Athens university paid puppet historians. :))
You feed terrorists in Lavrion camp, their leader was caught in your embassy in Nigeria and look at you, like a little dog, with your tail between your legs fail to respond properly. :)))
You are greeks, who triy desperately to buy the history created by others. No wonder Romans called you greek meaning thieves/backstabbers.
61engin53 1 year ago
Oh come on... Ive answered on every stupid thing you have written, sometimes I answered you twice, since you repeated the stupid shit you wrote. You are a smallminded racist with a strange ideology and not to take serious. There wasnt one single proper source you gave me, and be glad that I give a shit on what you are thinking because If I would bother myself for an answer properly, your texts would completelly consist of insults, more than they have already been.
Rhomios 1 year ago
@Rhomios You have answered my balls. Every reference I've shown you, especially from greece. The only answer from you was "that has been refuted" :))) by whom?, the lying greek machine?, or terrorist supporting greek puppets?
61engin53 1 year ago
@Rhomios You have answered my balls. Every reference I've shown you, especially from greece. The only answer from you was "that has been refuted" :))) by whom?, the lying greek machine?, or terrorist supporting greek puppets?
The Scythians ? do you know who they were and where they also came from?
Do you know that they were in Anatolia long before the word greek was invented?
Before you make another stupid claim that they were greek, let me remind you of TURKESTAN.
61engin53 1 year ago
@Rhomios Tell me something, the pkk terrorist leader apo was in your Nigerian embassy, your government was trying to save his ass, you have a pkk camp (lavrion or whatever you call it in greek), Can you deny these facts?
Can you deny the honest greek historians who shows your real face to the world?
Isn't it true that non greeks would loose their citizenship if they left greece for more than six months?
61engin53 1 year ago
I ve already talked to many Turks about those topics, people, who were much more intelligent as you. They, at least, were realists. I could imagine how they would laugh if you d tell them the story of the 4000 years of turkish presence in Asia Minor. Your whole argumentation is based on this goodnight story, and you are still ignoring it when Im questioning it.
Rhomios 1 year ago
As for Turkey: You yourself are a mix out of all the assimilated ethnies of Asia Minor and call yourself Turks. In the same time, you portray multiethnicity as undeserving. Exept from everything I wrote from you about the ethnical construction of the Greek people: The basis of a nation neednt be a ethnical but it can also be cultural or ideological, as it is f.e. for Turkey.
Rhomios 1 year ago
@Rhomios Isn't it true that you call the Anatolian Karamanli Turks (who are Kipchak/Kuman/ Iskit or Cimmerian origin) Turko Sporos?
Can you not use google? just do a little search and find out for yourself?
Are greeks a different specimen? how do you constract people? Do you take the leg from Ethopians, arms from Karamanlis, brain from Arabs?
Don't you realize that you are admitting that you are a puppet state created by major forces using all kinds of ethnic roots and orthodox religion? :))
61engin53 1 year ago
Our state couldt have been founded, if there werent a Greek national identification. Through the whole ottoman occupation, the Greeks of asia minor and the Greeks of the Greek peninsula felt as Greeks, which was expressed through their religion and culture. The Ottoman Empire became more and more corrupt and the reign unbearable for ts subjects. Even the Arabs, who were Muslims with the same rights as you, made a revolution. I know... everything I say is Greek propaganda...poor guy...
Rhomios 1 year ago
@Rhomios :D:D, as you do not see, you are conflicting yourself. Ottomans became very corrupt, you are right in that respect. What you fail to understand is Ethnicity is NOT based on how you "FEEL". :)) In tihs board you use English, does that make you or me English? Of course not.
Greece was created as a puppet state by the big guys. There is no pure ethnic greek. The word itself was created in the 16th century by the Romans to mark thieves and backstabbers :)).
61engin53 1 year ago
A nation isnt just based on ethnicity. Turkey is the biggest proof of that. Only 3% of the Turkish population has real Turkish roots, but I m repeating again. There is not a single pure ethnic country in the world, except of Iceland. Turkey is a multiethnic mix of ethnical Armenians, Kurds, Assyrians, Greeks, Georgians(Laz) and many, many more.
Rhomios 1 year ago
@Rhomios We are proud of having so many ethnic people in Turkey. That is why we ca ll Turky "Mozaic of people". We never denied the ethnic root of any people. Your problem is, anyone who is somehow involved in greek or a member of the orthodox church, you immediately make them greek. You forbid people to call themselves with their ethnic roots, simply because you greeks have no ethnic root. You create hell for macedonians and albanians. Can you deny the facts? well you are greek and you can :))
61engin53 1 year ago
Even Kemal knew that, why do you think he invented the sentence "Ne mutlu türküm dyene"? It says: "Joy to whom SAYS I am Turk". During the Ottoman Empire, and Im repeating myself again, you counted as a Turk when you converted to Islam, that means, in the eyes of the Ottoman, every Greek(such as your folks), Armenian, Assyrian, Georgian or any kind of their subjects who converted became a Turk AUTOMATICALLY.
Rhomios 1 year ago
@Rhomios You have, like all greeks, a tendency to force your ideas on others. It is not Kemal It is Mustafa Kemal ATATÜRK, and he created a nation out of ashes of the greek destroyed country. During the Ottoman era, calling someone a Turk was turned into an insult. That is the reason behind the well known sentence. Most Turks do not even own the Ottoman history as the sultans were no longer Turks, corruption was at its high, that is why the "Young Turks" movement became very popular...
61engin53 1 year ago
@Rhomios Most of Anatolian culture is culture of Turks, Arabs, Georgians, Iranians etc.. Unlike you we give credit to ethnic cultures. You just steal it.
Now there is a game Trabzonspor v Galatasaray and it is more important than greeks. So you will wait till tomorrow for the rest. :)))
61engin53 1 year ago
And as I ve told you many times before, Greekness(Hellenism) is not so much based on ethnicity, as we are a very old tribe with many influences, but based on religion, culture and language. The very first people who were called Hellenes were themselves divided in 5 tribes, after Alexander conquered Asia and Egypt, lots of Persians and Egypts took over the Greek culture and mixed themselves with the former Greeks (who never vanished, but simply mixed).
Rhomios 1 year ago
@Rhomios Most of your culture is Anatolian culture. Funny enough, you failed to create words and you still use the Turkish words for most of your culture. That shows how much greek culture it is. Out of 4.5 million greeks, 1.5 million from Anatolia settled in greece. What is now greek culture is really Ottoman/Turkish/Anatolian culture. But you have make everything greek, so you add -is,us,os to the end to make it greek.
61engin53 1 year ago
Suddenly you are proud of having many ethnic roots? What happened? Are you convinced or what? You are claiming the multiethnicity of Greece, using it as insult, pretending you are pure turk, and suddenly you are proud of your multiethnicity?
Rhomios 1 year ago
@Rhomios Atatürk was a genious and you hate him for being an honourable unique leader. You hate him for fucking up your megalo maniac dreams. You hate him for fucking up your patriach, you hate him for being a Turk. So what?, little greeks hate Atatürk, so he must be a great personality. I would have doubted him if he was liked by greeks :)
61engin53 1 year ago
@Rhomios I am glad that at last some common sense got into your greek brain and you accepted the fact that greeks have no ethnic roots. What you call greek is based on language and culture. That is extra ordinary for a greek to admit. Funny enough I have been saying this all along. As there is ethnicity for the greeks, your attempt to somehow link yourselves to the so called “ancient greeks” is also false. As I said all along the word “greek” was used by the Romans in the 16th century.
61engin53 1 year ago
@Rhomios They invaded the so called city states and ruled them for centuries and saw fit to name them “greeks” appropriately. Now if you want to question who the Romans were I’ll leave it to you to dig into for some history lesson. You’ve always been jealuous of Romans and Turks for the same reason. They have both dominated you for centuries.
61engin53 1 year ago
@Rhomios To prove my point here are some of your city states Athens, Sparta, Corinth, Delphi and Thebes. Do they have a “greek” in them anywhere? Absolutely not. You and your paid puppet historians made them grek to create a connection between these city states and present day greece. Your problem is you are after a pure “greek race” similiar to the Nazis. Whereas in Turkey we accept peoples ethnic backgrounds as they are.
61engin53 1 year ago
@Rhomios We still have people who call themselves “Boshnak” -Bosnians, “Arnavut”-Albanians and so on. We do not force them to change their religion or claim that they are ethnically Turks. They are what they are and also “Turks” meaning a citizen of Turkey. For Turks in Anatolia, try to do a search for Scythians, see where they came from and whom they have fought for and how they melted in the Anatolian pot. Very simple and I hope you get this through your greek head.
61engin53 1 year ago
@Rhomios We have Jews, Romans (Levantens), Rums, Süryanis (Assyrians), Armenians, Georgians, you name it we have it. We also use a well known expression “Ya sev, ya terk et” meaning “either love it or leave it”.
Being a greek, surfaces every time you try to blame Turks and Turkey for things of the past. We do things openly, you hit me I hit you back ten times harder. You are greeks, you are backstabbers, We are Turks we hit you straight in the face. Simple as that.
61engin53 1 year ago
@Rhomios You live in the past and dream of the past and that makes you megalo maniacs. You still use the word Constantinople for Istanbul, phtoshop the minarets built around the St. Sophia church. These are signs of living in the past. Lets for a second assume that you have somehow ended up in Turkey, what will you do with 73 million people Turkish citizens?
61engin53 1 year ago
@Rhomios You tried this in Cyprus, what happened there is a good example, trying to unify Cyprus with Greece (ENOSIS) made you fall flat on your face into deep shit. Again your terror organization PKK failed and you ended up with blood on your hands. A country like greece financing and training terrorists went into history books. You do not say,” if it is true”, it is true, The greek secret service member Savas Kalenderidis was deeply involved in the whole operation.
61engin53 1 year ago
@Rhomios Funny enough now with your retired general Andonis Naksakis who was the mastermind behind the PKK camps in Iraq, they have become tour organizers to Trabzon. Greece is a terrorist state and that is a fact. You do similiar things in Macedonia, Albania and Bulgaria. We Turks are not surprised, we know that greeks are liers and backstabbers. See how many hatred site there are for greeks not by Turks but by Albanians and Macedonians.
61engin53 1 year ago
Im sure, 90 percent of the things you wrote about the connection between Greece and the PKK is not to find in a proper source. And as I ve told you before, referring to your condemnations for acts against humanity, no mattter what we ve done, you are much worse, little smallminded turkish friend :-). The Skythians werent Turks, they had nothing to do with the people you are referring to. Not to mention that the Greeks were about 600 years earlier in Asia Minor than them.
Rhomios 1 year ago
@Rhomios Well you little Turko Sporos, either you are too young or too ignorent. Here is a link to read news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/280622.stm , not only you financed, trained the PKK terrorist, you had to hand him over to us in your Nigerian Embassy. :))) Otherwise it was gonig to be "Casus Belli" :)))),
61engin53 1 year ago