"Ninjutsu ryu-ha do contain some specific combat techniques, although fewer in number. There are also Ninjutsu versions/adaptations of Samurai techniques (seen above)."
you and i have a problem now then, you and the soke are saying different things
is it ninpo taijutsu that he is using or no? i can understand him enough to know when he is saying its ninpo
"Ninjutsu overall is more of a strategy of combat "
you are also directly contradicting your own opinion in the video.
@Arteanor ...Samurai techniques using Ninpo ryu-ha methods/movement (such as footwork - such as a Gyokko ryu technique done with Togakure movement). I can tell you off-hand that "Ude Tonso Gata" is a pure Ninjutsu technique, and I believe in one of our videos. Since many Ninja were Samurai at one point or another and studying these methodologies offers tactical advantage, it is not unforseeable that Ninja would learn these techniques
@Arteanor We practice Bujinkan Ninjutsu. I did not say everything in video was Samurai technique explicitly devoid of any element of Ninjutsu. That was your assumption. If you question the validity of our school within the Bujinkan, feel free to ask about our instructor with any other Shihan in the Bujinkan. If you're saying you doubt the validity of Soke, that is a whole other argument.
"Ninjutsu ryu-ha do contain some specific combat techniques, although fewer in number. There are also Ninjutsu versions/adaptations of Samurai techniques (seen above)."
you and i have a problem now then, you and the soke are saying different things
is it ninpo taijutsu that he is using or no? i can understand him enough to know when he is saying its ninpo.
"Ninjutsu overall is more of a strategy of combat "
you are also directly contradicting your own opinion in the video.
@Arteanor It seems you're looking for an argument. I just came back yesterday from training in Japan with Soke and the other Japanese Shihan.I will say that I'm only a Nidan, so I'm not near qualified as my instructor, nor Soke himself. However, from my understanding, the three ryh-ha of Ninjutsu (Togakure, Kumogakure, Gyokushin) do contain strategies and techniques. These are usually explored after Godan. The remaining 6 of Samurai decent. There are also methods of applications of these...
Thank you very much for the compliment. In fact, my sensei Shihan Woodard loves Germany and is fluent in German. If you are ever in Southern California, you're more than welcome to train with us. Thanks again!
@Arteanor Since this comment, I decided to pick up the Shoninki and read it cover to cover. You are correct in that there is no mention of specific combat kata - it focuses on philosophy and methodologies of spying. It does NOT however, state that there are no combative techniques in Ninjutsu. To assume someone who is a spy going in enemy territory would have no combat training would surprise me. It speaks of the attitude and heart of Ninjutsu, similar to how Soke talks about Ninpo. Thanks
1."seems you misinterpreted the opening that clearly states ninjutsu to be BUJUTSU, not budo..."
I think you might be misinterpreting the difference. "Bu" roughly translates to war which is used in both terms. Jutsu means art/science. Do means way. The connotation of this that Bujutsu is more about self protection and Budo is more about self improvement. It being Bujutsu does not mean there are no combat techniques (actually more the opposite).
@Arteanor "bujutsu = arts of war, like troop positioning or latrine placement. budo = ways of fighting (styles)" This is incorrect. Jujutsu, Kenjutsu, etc. are considered bujutsu, while judo, kendo, etc. are Budo. In general, martial arts/techniques originating before Meiji Restoration are referred to as (Koryu) Bujutsu, and after as (Gendai) Budo.
ah, i see, you think the nihon kobudo shinkokai and the nihon kobudo kyokai got the words mixed up,... they are only the 2 most respected koryu societies.
i will acknowledge a naming convention that no gendai schools are bujutsu, but that does not mean kobudo ryu are suddenly not budo...
historicity is the issue, shouldnt we follow the context of the author?
@Arteanor lol, not at all. Just illustrating the difference in understanding the terms of "bujutsu" and "budo" - that both contain combative techniques, and simply speculating on why Soke calls it Budo. Ninjutsu being a "bujutsu" doesn't prove there are no "techniques" in it, nor does Soke deciding to refer to his teachings/approach to this art as "budo" reduce it's legitimacy as being Ninjutsu. Would you prefer if we call it "Nindo"?
@Arteanor As far as being turned down to join NKS, Soke requested they review the scrolls in his presence at his facilities, and they declined. Being rejected as inauthentic vs. simply not being verified are two different things. If you wish to understand both parties reasonings you would have to really talk to them.
"If you wish to understand both parties reasonings you would have to really talk to them."
antony cummins author of shinobi soldiers (TSOAS2008 on youtube) did contact hatsumi about viewing the scrolls he claims he has... when he requested to see the ninjutsu scrolls he said they were already published, not naming where, i have only ever seen the ones for the budo he knew, you can watch the video.
@Arteanor They are a little...dismissive.... when it comes to people inquiring outside the art (as in "who are you and why do I need to justify myself to you?"). As you know, questioning something can be construed as insulting to the Japanese. I'm not sure where the scrolls are published, although I know there is an iphone/ipad app for Koto Ryu. It is not a "claim", he does have them.
@Arteanor "sure, historical evidence for ninjutsu being/including MA/budo would do it." You're talking about a very a secretive group about an art that was a closely guarded secret in a culture that is inherently ambiguous, so it can be very difficult to find a smoking gun pointing to an absolute answer. However, it is reasonable to assume Ninja studied fighting techniques, and since many were Samurai, it also seems reasonable that the Bujinkan would have Samurai ryu-ha.
"You're talking about a very a secretive group about an art that was a closely guarded secret in a culture that is inherently ambiguous"
agreed, BUT the same culture were also notorious record keepers.
"so it can be very difficult to find a smoking gun pointing to an absolute answer"
which i can understand, but without EVIDENCE for the claim of ninjutsu, you cannot claim to have proven yourself. especially when claiming edo period densho.
@Arteanor "agreed, BUT the same culture were also notorious record keepers." True. But records of things like this would have posed a danger if discovered.
@Arteanor "which i can understand, but without EVIDENCE for the claim of ninjutsu, you cannot claim to have proven yourself. especially when claiming edo period densho."
Okay, fair enough- then don't accuse people of being fraudulent without EVIDENCE that their claims are untrue. You have a lot of speculations and deductions, but you have not presented a source that verifiable proves your argument. So what it really comes down to is - agree to disagree. Thanks for the discussion.
@Arteanor 2. "you mean speaking of it as a subject from a book? it IS the best he has." Best he has? I'm surprised you mock a person who's teaching's coincide with a work that you have used in your argument; this works against the point you are making.
If you're argument is Soke's "renaming" of Ninpo Taijutsu to BUDO Taijutsu, I can understand your reservations. "Budo" comes from Bujutsu, and simply reflect the direction he has decided the focus the art in. Doesn't make it less legitmate.
"Best he has? I'm surprised you mock a person who's teaching's coincide with a work that you have used in your argument"
but they don't. the first and only source for ninjutsu being budo is takamatsu.
"If you're argument is Soke's "renaming" of Ninpo Taijutsu to BUDO Taijutsu,"
it is his teachers wholesale creation of claims to ninpo ryu. his claims that his budo is actually ninpo. "Budo" comes from Bujutsu, and simply reflect the direction.."
We do train in the US, specifically in So Cal, Moorpark. There are various Ninjutsu training groups across the US. However, if you have episodes where you black out, you should consult a mental health professional who can address those problems before pursuing a martial art, especially one where you could cause significant injury to someone. Once you address that, you can check out Ninjutsu training groups in your area. Ninjutsu for the most part is an exremely SELF DEFENCE driven Martial Art.
wow lol i already know moves that make these look like childs play im a black belt in karate,a black sash in sholin long fist,black in judo,and i know some jujitsu
my father taught me pai lum when i was little, then i trained in Muai Thai, Tae Kwon Do, Tai Chi, Choi Jin Pai Mak( if u find it let me know), cause i can't(pressures, and breaks)
they were trying to rob me downtown.... he came at me, i threw him... he went to get up and i broke his leg.. his friend tried to >>>>lmao???? fist fight
ddo you train in the US? long story short, i put my training to the the test, but blacked out... i put 2 ppl in the hospital.... andd hate myself for it.. (pagan?)if i diddn't they would most likely killed me....
Someone else asked this: the answer is DEPENDS. Win in what? Tournament/Sport of ground grappling? BJJ would be far superior because that's the focus of the art. In a life and death fight in combat or at a bar, Ninjutsu has the advantage- ninjutsu trains for life and death self defence. Each art has it's own focus and skill sets, and while there is significant overlap, each training is designed for something different. No rules combat: Ninjutsu; competition grappling: BJJ.
All things being equal, probably Ninjutsu. That's what it focuses on. However, someone who takes TaeKwonDo serious enough and is good can be very dangerous. If you can kick fast and hard enough, you can do some heavy damage. However, Ninjutsu teaches how to overcome this and other arts. If someone kicked at my head, I'd duck and hit their groin (if I react fast enough). In all reality any art can be dangerous, however Ninjutsu is focused on survival, TKD is more for flash.
Please feel free to comment. Ask questions, say if you like or not, etc. If you have martial art related videos, feel free to comment to get some exposure for yours as well. Thanks
Well technically Ninjutsu contains the ryu-ha where Ju Jutsu comes from. However, it depends on winning in what. Ground grappling? Obviously Ju Jutsu, that's what they focus on. All out combat? Ninjutsu, since it trains for life and death. Not only that, but it depends on the fight, fighter and circumstances. If you put rulles on the fight, Ninjutsu is at a disadvantage.If it's true life and death combat, Ninjutsu for the win.
Unfortunetly no. As of right now there is only one Todai Dojo, it's in Moorpark, CA. However, if you are looking for a Ninjutsu Training Group, odds are we can refer you to one near you.
an excellent montage of techniques thank you for sharing with us . Thumbs up.
DTGtaihojutsu 9 months ago
the 9 year old kids at my dojo can do this stuff.
AlmightyDonutx 1 year ago
@AlmightyDonutx Good for them
ShinobiNoTodai 1 year ago 4
@ShinobiNoTodai
"Ninjutsu ryu-ha do contain some specific combat techniques, although fewer in number. There are also Ninjutsu versions/adaptations of Samurai techniques (seen above)."
you and i have a problem now then, you and the soke are saying different things
is it ninpo taijutsu that he is using or no? i can understand him enough to know when he is saying its ninpo
"Ninjutsu overall is more of a strategy of combat "
you are also directly contradicting your own opinion in the video.
Arteanor 1 year ago
@Arteanor
my point is, why ask the question "what is ninjutsu?" and then show ONLY budo...
which you then openly label as being "samurai techniques" to prevent the need to defend the claim of ninjutsu...
just doesnt seem very honest to me....
Arteanor 1 year ago
@Arteanor ...Samurai techniques using Ninpo ryu-ha methods/movement (such as footwork - such as a Gyokko ryu technique done with Togakure movement). I can tell you off-hand that "Ude Tonso Gata" is a pure Ninjutsu technique, and I believe in one of our videos. Since many Ninja were Samurai at one point or another and studying these methodologies offers tactical advantage, it is not unforseeable that Ninja would learn these techniques
ShinobiNoTodai 1 year ago
@Arteanor We practice Bujinkan Ninjutsu. I did not say everything in video was Samurai technique explicitly devoid of any element of Ninjutsu. That was your assumption. If you question the validity of our school within the Bujinkan, feel free to ask about our instructor with any other Shihan in the Bujinkan. If you're saying you doubt the validity of Soke, that is a whole other argument.
ShinobiNoTodai 1 year ago
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@ShinobiNoTodai
"Ninjutsu ryu-ha do contain some specific combat techniques, although fewer in number. There are also Ninjutsu versions/adaptations of Samurai techniques (seen above)."
you and i have a problem now then, you and the soke are saying different things
is it ninpo taijutsu that he is using or no? i can understand him enough to know when he is saying its ninpo.
"Ninjutsu overall is more of a strategy of combat "
you are also directly contradicting your own opinion in the video.
Arteanor 1 year ago
@Arteanor It seems you're looking for an argument. I just came back yesterday from training in Japan with Soke and the other Japanese Shihan.I will say that I'm only a Nidan, so I'm not near qualified as my instructor, nor Soke himself. However, from my understanding, the three ryh-ha of Ninjutsu (Togakure, Kumogakure, Gyokushin) do contain strategies and techniques. These are usually explored after Godan. The remaining 6 of Samurai decent. There are also methods of applications of these...
ShinobiNoTodai 1 year ago
solid basics. allmost unseen on youtube. if you ever come to germany, you are more then invited to train with us.
charlie yakov schacht
ninjutsuHH 2 years ago
Thank you very much for the compliment. In fact, my sensei Shihan Woodard loves Germany and is fluent in German. If you are ever in Southern California, you're more than welcome to train with us. Thanks again!
ShinobiNoTodai 2 years ago
very cool i will subscribe. have you ever checked out my training vids. i am on mt hood oregon.
MOUNTAINOUS 2 years ago
awesome stuff! ^_^
ninjitsurocks 2 years ago
Thanks, I appreciate it!
ShinobiNoTodai 2 years ago
@ShinobiNoTodai
i agree, great vid, good form.
but why is it only martial arts and not ninjutsu?
we all know from reading the shinobi manuals (bansenshukai, ninpiden, shoninki)
that ninjutsu didnt include combative techniques and that they were taught in other ryu...
have you read them?
Arteanor 1 year ago
@Arteanor Since this comment, I decided to pick up the Shoninki and read it cover to cover. You are correct in that there is no mention of specific combat kata - it focuses on philosophy and methodologies of spying. It does NOT however, state that there are no combative techniques in Ninjutsu. To assume someone who is a spy going in enemy territory would have no combat training would surprise me. It speaks of the attitude and heart of Ninjutsu, similar to how Soke talks about Ninpo. Thanks
ShinobiNoTodai 1 year ago
@ShinobiNoTodai
". It does NOT however, state that there are no combative techniques in Ninjutsu. "
seems you misinterpreted the opening that clearly states ninjutsu to be BUJUTSU, not budo...
"To assume someone who is a spy going in enemy territory would have no combat training would surprise me."
thats because it would be asinine.
"It speaks of the attitude and heart of Ninjutsu, similar to how Soke talks about Ninpo"
you mean speaking of it as a subject from a book? it IS the best he has.
Arteanor 1 year ago
@Arteanor Lol, there's no pleasing you is there?
1."seems you misinterpreted the opening that clearly states ninjutsu to be BUJUTSU, not budo..."
I think you might be misinterpreting the difference. "Bu" roughly translates to war which is used in both terms. Jutsu means art/science. Do means way. The connotation of this that Bujutsu is more about self protection and Budo is more about self improvement. It being Bujutsu does not mean there are no combat techniques (actually more the opposite).
ShinobiNoTodai 1 year ago
@ShinobiNoTodai
" Lol, there's no pleasing you is there?"
sure, historical evidence for ninjutsu being/including MA/budo would do it.
"The connotation of this that Bujutsu is more about self protection and Budo is more about self improvement. "
bujutsu = arts of war, like troop positioning or latrine placement.
budo = ways of fighting (styles)
"It being Bujutsu does not mean there are no combat techniques (actually more the opposite)."
uh then why did they turn him down to join the NKS?
Arteanor 1 year ago
@Arteanor "bujutsu = arts of war, like troop positioning or latrine placement. budo = ways of fighting (styles)" This is incorrect. Jujutsu, Kenjutsu, etc. are considered bujutsu, while judo, kendo, etc. are Budo. In general, martial arts/techniques originating before Meiji Restoration are referred to as (Koryu) Bujutsu, and after as (Gendai) Budo.
ShinobiNoTodai 1 year ago
@ShinobiNoTodai
ah, i see, you think the nihon kobudo shinkokai and the nihon kobudo kyokai got the words mixed up,... they are only the 2 most respected koryu societies.
i will acknowledge a naming convention that no gendai schools are bujutsu, but that does not mean kobudo ryu are suddenly not budo...
historicity is the issue, shouldnt we follow the context of the author?
Arteanor 1 year ago
@Arteanor lol, not at all. Just illustrating the difference in understanding the terms of "bujutsu" and "budo" - that both contain combative techniques, and simply speculating on why Soke calls it Budo. Ninjutsu being a "bujutsu" doesn't prove there are no "techniques" in it, nor does Soke deciding to refer to his teachings/approach to this art as "budo" reduce it's legitimacy as being Ninjutsu. Would you prefer if we call it "Nindo"?
ShinobiNoTodai 1 year ago
@Arteanor As far as being turned down to join NKS, Soke requested they review the scrolls in his presence at his facilities, and they declined. Being rejected as inauthentic vs. simply not being verified are two different things. If you wish to understand both parties reasonings you would have to really talk to them.
ShinobiNoTodai 1 year ago
@ShinobiNoTodai
"If you wish to understand both parties reasonings you would have to really talk to them."
antony cummins author of shinobi soldiers (TSOAS2008 on youtube) did contact hatsumi about viewing the scrolls he claims he has... when he requested to see the ninjutsu scrolls he said they were already published, not naming where, i have only ever seen the ones for the budo he knew, you can watch the video.
Arteanor 1 year ago
@Arteanor They are a little...dismissive.... when it comes to people inquiring outside the art (as in "who are you and why do I need to justify myself to you?"). As you know, questioning something can be construed as insulting to the Japanese. I'm not sure where the scrolls are published, although I know there is an iphone/ipad app for Koto Ryu. It is not a "claim", he does have them.
ShinobiNoTodai 1 year ago
@Arteanor "sure, historical evidence for ninjutsu being/including MA/budo would do it." You're talking about a very a secretive group about an art that was a closely guarded secret in a culture that is inherently ambiguous, so it can be very difficult to find a smoking gun pointing to an absolute answer. However, it is reasonable to assume Ninja studied fighting techniques, and since many were Samurai, it also seems reasonable that the Bujinkan would have Samurai ryu-ha.
ShinobiNoTodai 1 year ago
@ShinobiNoTodai
"You're talking about a very a secretive group about an art that was a closely guarded secret in a culture that is inherently ambiguous"
agreed, BUT the same culture were also notorious record keepers.
"so it can be very difficult to find a smoking gun pointing to an absolute answer"
which i can understand, but without EVIDENCE for the claim of ninjutsu, you cannot claim to have proven yourself. especially when claiming edo period densho.
Arteanor 1 year ago
@Arteanor "agreed, BUT the same culture were also notorious record keepers." True. But records of things like this would have posed a danger if discovered.
ShinobiNoTodai 1 year ago
@Arteanor "which i can understand, but without EVIDENCE for the claim of ninjutsu, you cannot claim to have proven yourself. especially when claiming edo period densho."
Okay, fair enough- then don't accuse people of being fraudulent without EVIDENCE that their claims are untrue. You have a lot of speculations and deductions, but you have not presented a source that verifiable proves your argument. So what it really comes down to is - agree to disagree. Thanks for the discussion.
ShinobiNoTodai 1 year ago
@Arteanor 2. "you mean speaking of it as a subject from a book? it IS the best he has." Best he has? I'm surprised you mock a person who's teaching's coincide with a work that you have used in your argument; this works against the point you are making.
If you're argument is Soke's "renaming" of Ninpo Taijutsu to BUDO Taijutsu, I can understand your reservations. "Budo" comes from Bujutsu, and simply reflect the direction he has decided the focus the art in. Doesn't make it less legitmate.
ShinobiNoTodai 1 year ago
@ShinobiNoTodai
"Best he has? I'm surprised you mock a person who's teaching's coincide with a work that you have used in your argument"
but they don't. the first and only source for ninjutsu being budo is takamatsu.
"If you're argument is Soke's "renaming" of Ninpo Taijutsu to BUDO Taijutsu,"
it is his teachers wholesale creation of claims to ninpo ryu. his claims that his budo is actually ninpo. "Budo" comes from Bujutsu, and simply reflect the direction.."
they aren't synonyms.
Arteanor 1 year ago
I know this music, it's from Rin'! My favourite! Awesome moves Mr. Woodard!
Ninpo Ikkan
MyoushinRyuNinjutsu 2 years ago
Awesome video!
BujinkanMartialArts 2 years ago
Thanks!
ShinobiNoTodai 2 years ago
my lawyer beats all your martial arts combined
Howardtrn 2 years ago
lol probably very true. Our Shihan always says "every fight ends in two places: one- on the ground, and two- in court."
ShinobiNoTodai 2 years ago
This is very true! The biggest meanest guy claims that you brutalized them, after just a couple of kicks.
JeffreyJamesLippold 2 years ago
That made me LOL
MyoushinRyuNinjutsu 2 years ago
i needd control, not a blatanist ability of strength...... i black out...
daemosnecros 2 years ago
We do train in the US, specifically in So Cal, Moorpark. There are various Ninjutsu training groups across the US. However, if you have episodes where you black out, you should consult a mental health professional who can address those problems before pursuing a martial art, especially one where you could cause significant injury to someone. Once you address that, you can check out Ninjutsu training groups in your area. Ninjutsu for the most part is an exremely SELF DEFENCE driven Martial Art.
ShinobiNoTodai 2 years ago
wow lol i already know moves that make these look like childs play im a black belt in karate,a black sash in sholin long fist,black in judo,and i know some jujitsu
Jacobdog30 2 years ago
Good for you.
ShinobiNoTodai 2 years ago
seriously, is there a bhudist temple near me?
daemosnecros 2 years ago
my father taught me pai lum when i was little, then i trained in Muai Thai, Tae Kwon Do, Tai Chi, Choi Jin Pai Mak( if u find it let me know), cause i can't(pressures, and breaks)
daemosnecros 2 years ago
they were trying to rob me downtown.... he came at me, i threw him... he went to get up and i broke his leg.. his friend tried to >>>>lmao???? fist fight
daemosnecros 2 years ago
ddo you train in the US? long story short, i put my training to the the test, but blacked out... i put 2 ppl in the hospital.... andd hate myself for it.. (pagan?)if i diddn't they would most likely killed me....
daemosnecros 2 years ago
Brazilian Jujitsu VS. Ninjutsu
Who will win?
divad1212 2 years ago
Someone else asked this: the answer is DEPENDS. Win in what? Tournament/Sport of ground grappling? BJJ would be far superior because that's the focus of the art. In a life and death fight in combat or at a bar, Ninjutsu has the advantage- ninjutsu trains for life and death self defence. Each art has it's own focus and skill sets, and while there is significant overlap, each training is designed for something different. No rules combat: Ninjutsu; competition grappling: BJJ.
ShinobiNoTodai 2 years ago
Brazilian Jujitsu would destroy this...
brether234 2 years ago
And why would u say that??
computron808 2 years ago
when fighting life or death, which would win: Tae Kwon Do or Ninjutsu? (I'm placing my bets on ninjutsu :D)
gamehero77 2 years ago
All things being equal, probably Ninjutsu. That's what it focuses on. However, someone who takes TaeKwonDo serious enough and is good can be very dangerous. If you can kick fast and hard enough, you can do some heavy damage. However, Ninjutsu teaches how to overcome this and other arts. If someone kicked at my head, I'd duck and hit their groin (if I react fast enough). In all reality any art can be dangerous, however Ninjutsu is focused on survival, TKD is more for flash.
ShinobiNoTodai 2 years ago
The song. Anyone know?
MattNinja2 2 years ago
In the description: "Samurai Heart" by AAA
ShinobiNoTodai 2 years ago
whats the song
nightdragon669 2 years ago
In the description: "Samurai Heart" by AAA
ShinobiNoTodai 2 years ago
Please feel free to comment. Ask questions, say if you like or not, etc. If you have martial art related videos, feel free to comment to get some exposure for yours as well. Thanks
ShinobiNoTodai 2 years ago
who do you think will win jit jutsu or ninjutsu
obissesly you are gonna say ninjutsu
joshbutterballfilms 2 years ago
Well technically Ninjutsu contains the ryu-ha where Ju Jutsu comes from. However, it depends on winning in what. Ground grappling? Obviously Ju Jutsu, that's what they focus on. All out combat? Ninjutsu, since it trains for life and death. Not only that, but it depends on the fight, fighter and circumstances. If you put rulles on the fight, Ninjutsu is at a disadvantage.If it's true life and death combat, Ninjutsu for the win.
ShinobiNoTodai 2 years ago
that makes alot of sense thanks
joshbutterballfilms 2 years ago
wow this is neat! Is this like a chain of dojos across USA?!
chuchuchudekadeka 2 years ago
Unfortunetly no. As of right now there is only one Todai Dojo, it's in Moorpark, CA. However, if you are looking for a Ninjutsu Training Group, odds are we can refer you to one near you.
ShinobiNoTodai 2 years ago